It is time for an epic finale and John and Derek week to discuss everything in VisionQuest Episode 8 Forever including the two mid-credit scenes Make sure you have watched it before you listen as we spoil all the big reveals and twists of the episode.
VisionQuest Episode 8 Forever Synopsis
Vision Character Created by Roy Thomas and artist John Buscema
Creator and Showrunner: Terry Matalas
Episode 8 Written and Directed by: Terry Matalas
After turning both Jocasta and Vision into serving robots The Client is revealed to be Virgil Horton, Phineas' grandson and Jo Carrington's husband. While trying to solve his grandfather's artificial intelligence algorithms, he partnered with Jo but to her shock and revulsion later sold the algorithms to Stark Industries to secure his legacy as a Horton.
Virgil took a job with SWORD and was instrumental in restoring Vision's body, while also syphoning off parts to create Jocasta. After Jo's death he planned to transfer his consciousness into Vision and reunite with Jo. Together they would be a god and godess and use the reprogrammed nanobots to rule the world.
Paladin survives the RPG attack on his murder van with E.D.I.T.H.'s help and joins Tommy and Lisa in freeing Vision and Jocasta.
But in the breakout attempt Virgil shoots Jocasta with adamantium bullets after she attacks him. In her dying moments Jocasta sends nanobots to merge with Ultron captured by Virgil, allowing him to escape his hard drive prison and regain his body.
Ultron kills Virgil with a heavy hug and, having lost his true love, he resumes his plan to wipe out humanity.
Knowing the pain of grief, Vision traps Ultron in a television sitcom and convinces him to stand down by letting him face his loss.
The processing needed for the sitcom simulation starts the destruction of the core processors of Vision and Ultron in order to destroy the nanobots, but Ultron is able to transfer his consciousness to some unaccounted nanobots to escape his sitcom prison.
Meanwhile as Vision's core processor fails, Billy Maximoff finally tracks down his brother Tommy and together they restore their father. Vision leaves his Mindspace with the other AIs.
Paladin and Lisa reform with E.D.I.T.H. as their new AI guidance, while Tommy and Vision head to visit Billy in the real world in Eastview New York, very close to where their family began.
In two mid-credits scenes, Ultron is revealed to have retained Jocasta's data drive, while a hooded figure "awakens" Wanda at Mount Wundagore seeking her power.
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Episode 8 "Forever" Question: What very special episode of the UltraVision sitcom introduces the new cast members?
Marvel's VisionQuest Cast
- Paul Bettany as Vision
- Ruaridh Mollica as Thomas Sheppard/Thomas Maximoff
- Lauren Morais as Lisa Molinari
- Jonathan Sayer as U
- Henry Lewis as DUM-E
- Emily Hampshire as EDITH
- Orla Brady as FRIDAY
- Todd Stashwick as Paladin
- And T'Nia Miller as Jacosta
- with James Spader as Ultron/Virgil Horton
- and Joe Locke as Billy Maximoff
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00:00 --> 00:06 [JOHN]: This is the Defenders podcast on TV podcast industries, and we're talking about the final episode of VisionQuest.
00:07 --> 00:08 [JOHN]: Episode 8 forever.
00:20 --> 00:21 [VISION]: Oh, from what did you do to her?
00:22 --> 00:23 [VIRGIL]: Oh, no, he's muted.
00:23 --> 00:29 [VIRGIL]: No, as much as I love the sound of my own voice, he will not shut up.
00:29 --> 00:30 [VIRGIL]: Listen to this guy.
00:30 --> 00:36 [VIRGIL]: An obsequious, narcissistic little wiener of a dipshit meatball.
00:37 --> 00:38 [VIRGIL]: And playing gaunt no less.
00:41 --> 00:43 [DEREK]: and the bug that you are.
00:43 --> 00:44 [VIRGIL]: See?
00:44 --> 00:45 [VIRGIL]: Oh, my God.
00:45 --> 00:47 [VIRGIL]: Shut up, my dieactic dude.
00:48 --> 00:51 [VIRGIL]: I thought about deleting him, but he's such a fun little toy.
01:23 --> 01:24 [DEREK]: bio digital Jazz, John.
01:24 --> 01:25 [JOHN]: Absolutely.
01:26 --> 01:28 [JOHN]: Welcome back fellow defenders.
01:28 --> 01:37 [JOHN]: This is the Defenders podcast on TV podcast industries, and we are going to be talking all about the final episode of this season vision quest.
01:38 --> 01:39 [JOHN]: Episode 8 "Forever".
01:40 --> 01:42 [JOHN]: I'm one of your host, John.
01:42 --> 01:43 [DEREK]: I am your other host, Derek.
01:43 --> 01:43 [DEREK]: Nailed this, I think.
01:44 --> 01:57 [JOHN]: Oops, I Hortoned it- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:57 --> 02:20 [DEREK]: an excellent post credit scene, which we will talk about, I was surprised to the end of it, but just want to say this is a surprise to everybody, the post credit scene, the second one that's in there was not on any screeners that were right there, was as far as I know, wasn't shown at the events that they had for the finale, so nobody knew until this episode was available, that a post credit scene would tie directly into the future of the MCU.
02:20 --> 02:42 [JOHN]: Yes, absolutely, and we'll have to get into that, but certainly I've do think we got some comments from a couple of defenders in in feedback saying oh wouldn't be great if he did and we were kind of like I'm not going to get the money for that and then low and behold There is a caped figure, but we'll come to it.
02:42 --> 02:42 [JOHN]: Yes
02:43 --> 02:48 [JOHN]: When we discuss those post-credit moments from VisionQuests.
02:49 --> 02:55 [DEREK]: And if you haven't watched the episode, we're going to spoil it all from now on, including those two post-credit scenes, I'm sure you're going to watch those.
02:56 --> 03:06 [DEREK]: Also, quickly before we get into our chat, we have done our spoiler podcast about Avengers End Game Oncore, and just to say that is being released on Disney+.
03:06 --> 03:12 [DEREK]: This very weekend, so you do have something else to watch directly after you've finished your VisionQuests view through
03:13 --> 03:18 [DEREK]: and watch Avengers Endgame uncorbed those extra four minutes and all the extra scenes that we talked about in our podcast.
03:18 --> 03:21 [DEREK]: So that's also where to watch him before he's he did today.
03:21 --> 03:29 [JOHN]: Yes, and what's also where to watch him now, given what we saw in the postgraded scenes is the gloriously nutty multiverse of madness.
03:30 --> 03:32 [DEREK]: And you just want more people to watch Dr.
03:32 --> 03:33 [JOHN]: Strange don't shit up.
03:33 --> 03:34 [DEREK]: Yes, exactly.
03:34 --> 03:34 [DEREK]: Everybody should watch.
03:35 --> 03:36 [DEREK]: We should do multiple times.
03:36 --> 03:37 [JOHN]: Yes.
03:37 --> 03:42 [JOHN]: The also notiness that is the multiverse of madness, which is fab.
03:42 --> 03:50 [JOHN]: And but yes, I think just before we get into our spoiler filled discussion of episode 8, just a quick reminder of fellow defenders.
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04:16 --> 04:17 [JOHN]: Yes, but it's also a drug.
04:18 --> 04:19 [JOHN]: Well, then the drug.
04:19 --> 04:21 [JOHN]: Speed loving Park that way.
04:21 --> 04:24 [JOHN]: His wisdom is face indeed.
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04:56 --> 04:56 [DEREK]: absolutely.
04:57 --> 05:02 [DEREK]: And unfortunately Chris can't be with us for this finale was really hoping to join us for this final episode.
05:02 --> 05:06 [DEREK]: I did get a text from last night with his thoughts on the final episode.
05:06 --> 05:08 [DEREK]: He absolutely loved this episode.
05:08 --> 05:09 [DEREK]: I'm absolutely loved this series overall.
05:09 --> 05:12 [DEREK]: But unfortunately the few things didn't work out through can't join us for this.
05:12 --> 05:13 [DEREK]: episode.
05:13 --> 05:18 [DEREK]: He may be able to join us for our final wrap-up episode where we at night's the winner of our pub quiz.
05:18 --> 05:28 [DEREK]: We have one more question to go in our vision quiz, pub quiz which will be out later on the episode and but he is traveling as well for work at home and so I'm not sure if he's going to be back in time for that.
05:28 --> 05:40 [JOHN]: Absolutely, and it will be a bit of a pub quizathon as well in terms of that because we do have our lanterns pub quiz as well And that we need to wrap up as well.
05:40 --> 05:52 [DEREK]: Yeah, and we were waiting on Chris to be able to share his thoughts on lanterns I'm unfortunate that he hasn't been able to fit it into his ever growing busy schedule Indeed, but we of course are continuing our
05:53 --> 06:04 [JOHN]: old Salkey in pub quiz for vision crest and we'll be up with our final question of the series with question eight later in the podcast.
06:05 --> 06:14 [DEREK]: Yep and if you want to join that pub quiz or send us any your feedback just email us to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com with your answers at the end of the series once you get that last question.
06:15 --> 06:16 [JOHN]: excellent stuff.
06:17 --> 06:23 [JOHN]: Derek, you want to take us through some of the episode details for episode eight forever.
06:24 --> 06:35 [DEREK]: Yes, of course the show was created for television by Terry Matales based on vision created by Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Josephine Carrington, Virgil Horton, and Phineas Horton, I think.
06:36 --> 06:36 [DEREK]: Anybody else?
06:36 --> 06:37 [DEREK]: Anybody else?
06:37 --> 06:37 [DEREK]: I could be well, I'm
06:43 --> 07:01 [DEREK]: Yes, lots of people involved in the creation of this and I did say I would come back in the final episode and I've filled out all the extra people but originally of course visual was created by Roy Thomas and Artist Joe Bechaming in Avengers number 57 as well And the exact producer for this show are Kevin Faggy Louis the spesito Brad windbam
07:01 --> 07:05 [DEREK]: Maryle Vanus, Thomas Hallis, Jack Sheifer, and Christopher J.
07:06 --> 07:16 [DEREK]: Burn, this final episode was written and directed by Terry Matales' time together, all of the pieces for this season in a pretty, wonderful way, really.
07:16 --> 07:17 [DEREK]: Excellent stuff.
07:17 --> 07:17 [DEREK]: Yes.
07:18 --> 07:20 [DEREK]: Nice little bow with the cherry on top.
07:20 --> 07:21 [DEREK]: Definitely, John.
07:21 --> 07:23 [DEREK]: Do you want to tell us why he gave us with yours an
07:27 --> 07:37 [JOHN]: Sure, after turning both jacaster and vision into serving robots, the client is revealed to be Virgil Horton, Phineas' grandson and Joe Carrington's husband.
07:38 --> 07:50 [JOHN]: While trying to solve his grandfather's artificial intelligence algorithms, he partnered with Joe but to her shock and revolution later, sold the algorithms to Stark industries to secure his legacy as a
07:51 --> 08:00 [JOHN]: Virgil took a job with sword and was instrumental in restoring vision's body while also siphoning off parts to create jacaster.
08:00 --> 08:06 [JOHN]: After Joe's death he planned to transfer his consciousness into vision and reunite with Joe.
08:07 --> 08:12 [JOHN]: Together they would be a god and goddess and use the reprogram nanobots to rule the world.
08:13 --> 08:21 [JOHN]: Paladin survives the RPG attack on his murder van with Edith's help and joins Tommy and Lisa in freeing vision and jacaster.
08:22 --> 08:27 [JOHN]: But in the breakout attempt, Virgil shoots jacaster with adamantium bullets after she attacks him.
08:28 --> 08:38 [JOHN]: In her dying moments, jacaster sends down her bots to merge with Ultron captured by Virgil, allowing him to escape his hard drive prison and regain his body.
08:38 --> 08:55 [JOHN]: Ultron kills Virgil with a heavy hug, and having lost his true love, he resumes his plan to wipe out humanity, knowing the pain of grief, vision traps Ultron in a television sitcom, and convinces him to stand down by letting him face his loss.
08:56 --> 09:12 [JOHN]: The processing needed for the sitcom simulation starts the destruction of the core processes of Vision and Ultraman in order to destroy the nanobots, but Ultron is able to transfer his consciousness to some unaccounted nanobots to escape his sitcom prison.
09:12 --> 09:21 [JOHN]: Meanwhile, as Vision's core processor fails, Billy Maximoff finally tracks down his brother Tommy and together they restored their father.
09:21 --> 09:25 [JOHN]: Vision leaves his mind space with the other AI synths.
09:25 --> 09:38 [JOHN]: Paladin and Lisa reformed with Edith as their new AI guidance, while Tommy and Vision had to visit Billy in the real world in Eastview, New York, very close to where their family began.
09:39 --> 09:51 [JOHN]: In two mid-credit scenes, Ultron is revealed to have retained your castors data drive while a hooded figure awakens Wonder at Mount Wundergoer seeking her power.
09:55 --> 09:58 [DEREK]: Oh yes, lots and lots and lots to talk about with this episode.
09:58 --> 10:00 [DEREK]: What a great final moment in those post credits.
10:00 --> 10:03 [DEREK]: But the final post credits were not what made this episode.
10:03 --> 10:06 [DEREK]: This episode was fantastic from the off.
10:06 --> 10:09 [DEREK]: You know, we left it in a massive cliffhanger at the end of last episode.
10:09 --> 10:10 [DEREK]: Hang on a second.
10:10 --> 10:15 [DEREK]: How is it possible that James Spader could be behind all of this, even with his amazing mustache?
10:16 --> 10:17 [DEREK]: Who's this character?
10:17 --> 10:18 [DEREK]: And then we started the new episode.
10:19 --> 10:23 [DEREK]: Often running straight away with the reveal of who the client is and what he's
10:24 --> 10:28 [DEREK]: and I think from that point onwards, I think it just gets better and better as the episode goes on.
10:28 --> 10:29 [DEREK]: I really love this.
10:30 --> 10:31 [JOHN]: Yeah, it was a great episode.
10:31 --> 10:36 [JOHN]: I think it tied everything up really, really nicely and neatly.
10:36 --> 10:42 [JOHN]: The pose credits were a little bit of additional frosting on the cake, you know.
10:42 --> 10:46 [JOHN]: A little bit of decoration, but always good to see.
10:46 --> 10:48 [JOHN]: And so, yeah, I think we should get on to our
10:53 --> 10:56 [JOHN]: It is, the client is revealed.
10:56 --> 10:58 [DEREK]: He certainly is.
10:58 --> 11:00 [DEREK]: Virtual Horton has been revealed.
11:01 --> 11:02 [DEREK]: He is, and always will be.
11:02 --> 11:03 [DEREK]: Yeah.
11:03 --> 11:03 [DEREK]: Who?
11:03 --> 11:06 [DEREK]: He's not a Horton here's a who.
11:06 --> 11:06 [DEREK]: Yes.
11:07 --> 11:07 [DEREK]: No.
11:07 --> 11:09 [DEREK]: That was, thank you.
11:09 --> 11:10 [DEREK]: I know.
11:10 --> 11:12 [DEREK]: But it works really well with virtual Horton.
11:12 --> 11:13 [DEREK]: I know.
11:13 --> 11:14 [DEREK]: Exactly.
11:14 --> 11:20 [JOHN]: Yes, I was just trying to do my star-lowest moment with Kaurath from Guardians, of course, from Guardians.
11:20 --> 11:22 [DEREK]: But Horton here's a who works in the world.
11:22 --> 11:23 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
11:23 --> 11:25 [JOHN]: That was my house for five last week.
11:25 --> 11:26 [DEREK]: That's true.
11:26 --> 11:26 [DEREK]: That's true.
11:27 --> 11:37 [DEREK]: But what did you think of the big reveal that we have effectively the face of Ultron passed in through generations into this air.
11:37 --> 11:47 [DEREK]: Well, from Virgil Horton, through all of these different generations into the AI, I guess, persona of Ultram.
11:47 --> 11:50 [JOHN]: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I think it was quite good.
11:50 --> 11:52 [JOHN]: It's almost quite short, lived really.
11:53 --> 11:59 [JOHN]: And I think the drama of the silhouetted figure, more than it being revealed to be Virgil, here.
11:59 --> 12:03 [JOHN]: In the end, there's actually only in this episode from maybe the first third of it.
12:03 --> 12:07 [JOHN]: Yeah, yeah, and just the way it's been,
12:10 --> 12:30 [JOHN]: written and but you know at least it kind of ties up the fact of okay well that's where the notebook went and but i like how this character has kind of got the moment in this episode but has been threaded through the last couple of episodes whether it's through the shadowy client figure or with the sort of
12:32 --> 12:44 [JOHN]: loft department in New York that kind of remembering scene for Joe Carrington and jacaster with the sort of missing memories so I kind of really like that and
12:47 --> 13:06 [JOHN]: I think, yeah, it's an interesting tie to the thinniest haughton line within this, and I do like the comedy of Oops, I've haughtened just because the family name has been kind of sort of riven with failure, and one of us with failure now, yes, yeah.
13:06 --> 13:08 [JOHN]: But it's, yeah, I guess,
13:10 --> 13:27 [JOHN]: I like the notion that an element of the humanity of the creators of the AI has persisted through, but we've seen that through with that loft space, for example, and here now with Virgil Horton.
13:28 --> 13:30 [DEREK]: in the form of Ultron.
13:31 --> 13:43 [DEREK]: Yeah but and and earlier on in the series they were preparing us for this because we had Friday being connected to somebody in Tony Stark's life we had Edith being connected to somebody else in Harats Dark's life wasn't only on Tony Stark's life as well so kind of the way I
13:44 --> 13:51 [DEREK]: see this is effectively they were the creators of the code that was bossed by Stark Industries he put his extra stamp on it.
13:51 --> 14:03 [DEREK]: He's the one that sold it on to Stark Industries this This character that we're introduced to here of original Horton so the imprint is on the Code that eventually became Ultron taking his
14:04 --> 14:08 [DEREK]: view effective taking his visage effectively within that code.
14:08 --> 14:11 [DEREK]: So it's kind of a representation of the code is how I see it.
14:11 --> 14:14 [DEREK]: I mean, I would like to see it.
14:14 --> 14:21 [JOHN]: Yeah, I mean, I would like to see age of Ultron again because I think the certain details in there where I'm not entirely sure
14:22 --> 14:23 [JOHN]: how it plays out.
14:23 --> 14:27 [JOHN]: I'm sure they've looked at the continuity and consistency of it all.
14:27 --> 14:29 [JOHN]: I'm sure it's all fine.
14:29 --> 14:36 [JOHN]: But I just think with Von Strucker and stuff, and that attack on his base at the start, and then
14:38 --> 14:57 [JOHN]: I was remembered the sort of blue infinity stone being somehow related to this hence why he was that blue kind of feeling and it was also because it kind of penetrated into the multiple Iron Man sort of clones that had been developed.
14:57 --> 15:00 [JOHN]: So look, it doesn't really matter to me on that
15:03 --> 15:06 [JOHN]: I probably need to see age of Ultron again.
15:06 --> 15:13 [DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely, but I suppose the point that they're making in this show, and it is brand new in this show, really, is that the code that was purchased by Stark Industries.
15:14 --> 15:15 [DEREK]: Oh, job, don't you?
15:15 --> 15:15 [DEREK]: Don't you harvest?
15:16 --> 15:20 [DEREK]: Eventually led to the basis of Ultron.
15:21 --> 15:22 [DEREK]: So because it led to the basis of Ultron,
15:23 --> 15:24 [DEREK]: this character a virtual.
15:24 --> 15:25 [DEREK]: A bit of him is in the code.
15:25 --> 15:30 [DEREK]: That's why Voltron Ultron's kind of presenting as this person, even though he doesn't know who he is.
15:30 --> 15:35 [DEREK]: And the same way that he that's presenting as the test pilot, even though she'd never knew who that was either.
15:35 --> 15:38 [JOHN]: So yeah, but it is he presenting as there.
15:39 --> 15:40 [JOHN]: or is it Vision presenting him?
15:40 --> 15:43 [JOHN]: So in which case that makes more sense around Jarvis?
15:43 --> 15:55 [JOHN]: Because I do think ultimately if the AI that was developed by Stark and this is what for me where it connects in is because Jarvis was consumed by Ultron.
15:55 --> 16:01 [JOHN]: So all that coding that's come through the Vision side of things, you know?
16:03 --> 16:06 [JOHN]: Well Vision is emerging then of Jarvis and Ultron.
16:07 --> 16:08 [JOHN]: like in that sense.
16:08 --> 16:14 [DEREK]: Well, we learned last week for the reason why he has the face of Phineas Horton is because he goes back to the full source code as well.
16:14 --> 16:15 [DEREK]: Exactly.
16:15 --> 16:15 [DEREK]: Yeah.
16:15 --> 16:17 [DEREK]: It's kind of like they diverged slightly after.
16:17 --> 16:18 [JOHN]: Ultron was created.
16:18 --> 16:19 [JOHN]: That's kind of the way.
16:19 --> 16:19 [JOHN]: Yeah.
16:19 --> 16:31 [DEREK]: But you know, it doesn't have to make 100% sense because this is the story of this show in the show in my father's and sons of shows about the legacy of the creation of AI here in the MCU.
16:31 --> 16:34 [JOHN]: I see the family, I see the family line here.
16:35 --> 16:53 [JOHN]: I think what's interesting as well is that with Virgil Horton, it's like, in a sense, the dark shadowy figure of the client had more gravitas and I think here, I don't mean this in a bad way, but ultimately what Virgil Horton gets revealed to be is someone who's really just trying to claim
16:55 --> 17:05 [JOHN]: his money and his reputation because the Horton name, as you say, has been his synonymous with failure, he wants to kind of buy that back.
17:05 --> 17:07 [JOHN]: So he's bought the whole.
17:08 --> 17:17 [JOHN]: But it's all being at the cost of selling the intellectual property, the invention, the both him and his wife Joe had done.
17:17 --> 17:21 [JOHN]: And I mean, when you hear him talking, he's like, you know, credit
17:24 --> 17:40 [JOHN]: I'm mapping our minds and that is why we were able to make that sort of jump from the general artificial intelligence and so he came with the book, she solved the the problem.
17:40 --> 17:41 [JOHN]: The personal, yeah exactly.
17:42 --> 17:46 [JOHN]: And I think you know because you see the revulsion in Joe
17:54 --> 17:58 [JOHN]: when she talks about him selling their work just to stark industries.
17:59 --> 18:01 [JOHN]: And you saw a bit of that in the previous episode.
18:02 --> 18:10 [JOHN]: So I like that contrast here between the client as what he was trying to do and the reality.
18:10 --> 18:12 [JOHN]: It's a bit, and it's very much.
18:13 --> 18:14 [JOHN]: the Wizard of Oz again.
18:15 --> 18:28 [JOHN]: It's pulling back the curtain to reveal actually it's someone maybe quite not as scary as what the client would the ominous voice and it's someone who still has an awful lot of power.
18:28 --> 18:28 [JOHN]: Yes.
18:28 --> 18:33 [JOHN]: Still very very vindictive and but ultimately
18:34 --> 18:38 [JOHN]: The motivations here are absolutely self-serving.
18:38 --> 18:41 [DEREK]: 100% and that's probably the big moment here.
18:41 --> 18:44 [DEREK]: And I'm kind of glad they section the solve into three sections.
18:44 --> 18:47 [DEREK]: I'm glad this didn't take up the whole episode.
18:47 --> 18:51 [DEREK]: The reveal of who the client is and what he wants to do, he had a fairly simple plan.
18:51 --> 18:55 [DEREK]: He's the one that had rebuilt the body of vision.
18:56 --> 19:20 [DEREK]: so that he could put his essence inside of it and also built the body of jacaster so he could put jose essence inside of it then the two of them could live for hundreds of years and take control of the world using the nanobots that Joe had created so he had made this whole plan and was a relatively straightforward plan to take over the world and he's he is pretty evil but I'm glad that he didn't lose the fact that he is very powerful here
19:20 --> 19:20 [JOHN]: Yes.
19:21 --> 19:29 [DEREK]: At the opening of this episode, what's happening is he's taken over the body of these incredible AIs that could be massively powerful.
19:29 --> 19:31 [DEREK]: One of them is a superhero vendor, effectively.
19:32 --> 19:33 [DEREK]: And he's turned them into robots.
19:33 --> 19:40 [DEREK]: He has literally turned them into the actual definition slaves to serve food and serve him.
19:40 --> 19:48 [DEREK]: They're doing everything he's telling him to do, he's just pressing a few buttons and he's in complete control of the two of them until that control is released.
19:48 --> 19:51 [DEREK]: So he is massively powerful in these moments at the beginning.
19:51 --> 19:52 [DEREK]: Yeah.
19:52 --> 19:55 [DEREK]: And he's shatter an old trauma and turned him into just a lightball and muted him.
19:55 --> 20:01 [DEREK]: So the old trauma doesn't even get to talk in his presence, which is the wonderful clip that we have at the beginning.
20:01 --> 20:20 [JOHN]: I do really enjoy the fact that Ultron has been sort of rendered angry and contained in what looks like to be a hard drive, crossed with sort of 2001 Space Odyssey's helm, and so I really, really liked that.
20:20 --> 20:23 [JOHN]: And yes, that moment where he sort of lets a little bit of Ultron
20:25 --> 20:31 [JOHN]: puts the audio on for the hard drive and is just really, really good.
20:31 --> 20:32 [JOHN]: Yeah.
20:32 --> 20:40 [JOHN]: And I think there's another really great moment here because, you know, he's pontificating, he's walking around, he goes,
20:41 --> 20:55 [JOHN]: I know how his love for Joe, she turned anything magic, even the shithole loft that we're in brought the general artificial to life, as I was saying, using their own minds to bring the reel to the artificial.
20:56 --> 21:01 [JOHN]: But with feelings, which is the most important part, you know, it's it's what
21:02 --> 21:06 [DEREK]: Vision was denying himself throughout the first seven episodes of the show until last week.
21:06 --> 21:24 [DEREK]: He was denying that he had the feelings of the original vision when he realizes he does he realizes he's always been that person that comes from the fact that Joe and Virgil together put feelings into their artificial general intelligence that they created something different than had ever been created before.
21:24 --> 21:27 [DEREK]: So that's really important and comes across.
21:27 --> 21:37 [DEREK]: And it's made more interested by the fact that as Joe Carrington hears these words from him, she falls even less in love with him, because she already has Ultron.
21:37 --> 21:50 [DEREK]: It's such an interesting idea that effectively his entire plan was, I'll bring the woman I love back to life, and the two of us will rule the world together when I get a body that will last forever, and she's already fined somebody else to replace him.
21:51 --> 21:53 [DEREK]: And as he explains who he is on his plan,
21:56 --> 22:11 [JOHN]: Well, I should say that I found the best of you already, and I like the flashbacks to him working on vision, getting the parts for Chacoster, and when she realizes what he's done, that's when he puts the gaps in her memory.
22:12 --> 22:16 [JOHN]: You know, she ultimately comes back here, revulst.
22:17 --> 22:19 [JOHN]: at everything he's saying, what he's doing.
22:19 --> 22:21 [JOHN]: She has no time.
22:21 --> 22:29 [JOHN]: I mean, but then at the flip side of this, there's absolutely fantastic moment where really visual is believed he can still win a back.
22:29 --> 22:33 [JOHN]: And he puts the record on and starts to dance to Ryan Stone Cowboy.
22:34 --> 22:37 [DEREK]: Oh, and you absolutely legends.
22:38 --> 22:43 [JOHN]: But also not just James Spader, both of them, James Spader and
22:47 --> 22:48 [JOHN]: off the charts.
22:49 --> 22:49 [JOHN]: Great.
22:49 --> 22:55 [DEREK]: He doesn't think there's someone dance with to stay in the way that Nia Miller got away from his dad.
22:55 --> 23:10 [DEREK]: She's she's going along with them and he does this motion where he, he, uh, twiddles the wax in his mustache and she turns it into almost a pulled fiction type dance where she's twiddling and invisible mustache and her face back at him, but just you can see she's
23:13 --> 23:16 [DEREK]: turned into a robot after being one of the most powerful characters in this show.
23:16 --> 23:18 [JOHN]: She's hating every moment of it.
23:19 --> 23:23 [JOHN]: And I think manages to clip his plums whilst she's acting.
23:23 --> 23:25 [JOHN]: She's just really good.
23:25 --> 23:30 [JOHN]: She's just absolutely a top-notch scene.
23:30 --> 23:34 [JOHN]: I mean, if ever there was just this moment of like,
23:35 --> 23:44 [JOHN]: that were a scene or situation flipped and just have this really wonderful comedic moment.
23:44 --> 23:45 [JOHN]: But it's tragic as well.
23:45 --> 23:52 [JOHN]: It's tragic for Virgil because he believes this is an aspect that you know, it'd be a good memory for her to be able to win her back.
23:52 --> 23:55 [JOHN]: Clearly something that they don't previously.
23:55 --> 24:00 [JOHN]: It's clearly a record he thinks, you know, and you always hated it at the start, but then you're singing along with it.
24:00 --> 24:01 [DEREK]: Exactly.
24:01 --> 24:02 [DEREK]: It would be true that everybody
24:04 --> 24:12 [JOHN]: It was being in my mind, it's been a little earworm for the last while for me, which is 40-year-old.
24:12 --> 24:13 [JOHN]: 40-year-old.
24:14 --> 24:14 [JOHN]: Absolutely.
24:14 --> 24:23 [JOHN]: But yeah, I just thought this scene was lovely, and I just think this client reveal was pretty well done to be honest.
24:23 --> 24:23 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
24:24 --> 24:29 [DEREK]: And with the client revealed, well, we have to take him down so now, so let's get on to our code line number two to talk a bit about that.
24:31 --> 24:36 [DEREK]: So code line number two is hoax for everyone, hoax for everyone, but we'll talk it.
24:36 --> 24:38 [DEREK]: We'll start with a nice hug, I think.
24:38 --> 24:42 [DEREK]: Because Tommy's trying to realize his personal of this in the outside real world.
24:42 --> 24:42 [DEREK]: And he's with Lisa.
24:42 --> 24:53 [DEREK]: And he decides to do a flatliners as any of the older members of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of our, of
24:54 --> 25:01 [DEREK]: Effectively push himself to death so that while he's in that space of death, hopefully Billy might be able to find him.
25:01 --> 25:02 [DEREK]: He drains himself.
25:02 --> 25:09 [DEREK]: Of course, he was created in a moment of draining, so he feels that this point might be able to connect him with his brother.
25:09 --> 25:10 [DEREK]: And it does.
25:11 --> 25:18 [DEREK]: You know what John, I have seen this now twice or three times, and I really do well up with emotion when we see Billy arriving.
25:19 --> 25:19 [DEREK]: There's something
25:21 --> 25:26 [DEREK]: seeing these two characters connect after all the time this time to parrots.
25:26 --> 25:40 [DEREK]: So Agatha all along, excellent show if you haven't watched it go watch it, but Billy Maximoff in that show, you realize how much he's holding on to finding his brother thread that whole series of the show, that's what's driving him, that's what's making him the person that he is.
25:41 --> 26:03 [DEREK]: and to realize there is this moment where the two of them were able to connect in this in their own virtual mind space where Billy has been trying to find his brother for months and eventually finds him because vision reveals to him all about one division, and veal is properly about his family and this allows Tommy to find Billy or Tommy to put himself on the line to find Billy.
26:03 --> 26:18 [JOHN]: Yeah, and actually whilst he's got these powers, he is still learning because the connection as it starts to fade, you know, he's not sure he's going to be able to find Tommy, despite having this meeting.
26:19 --> 26:24 [JOHN]: And yes, as you say, the first hug, being a psychic hug in this psychic space.
26:24 --> 26:24 [DEREK]: Yeah.
26:24 --> 26:28 [JOHN]: And I do like the fact that Tommy goes, well, this is a real hug or not.
26:30 --> 26:34 [JOHN]: But yeah, no, this is really a great little moment here.
26:34 --> 26:40 [DEREK]: I also like Joe Luck at how he performs the guy who's playing and there's American, he's supposed to be from Eastview in New York.
26:40 --> 26:46 [DEREK]: I mean, he meets Tommy and Tommy's got the Scottish action to go, oh, even now you're the cooler one that means like, am I cool?
26:47 --> 26:50 [DEREK]: I think it's just really cute to have a moment after them.
26:50 --> 26:54 [DEREK]: What are the things that the eagle eard among you may have noticed?
26:54 --> 26:55 [DEREK]: Is it eagle eard?
26:55 --> 26:56 [DEREK]: What have good ears, John?
26:57 --> 26:59 [DEREK]: What ears things do you really well?
26:59 --> 27:01 [DEREK]: The bat eard among you may have noticed that.
27:02 --> 27:03 [DEREK]: Billy's talking to someone in the background.
27:04 --> 27:10 [DEREK]: And the last we left Agatha all along, there was Ghost Agatha who was going to help Billy find his brother.
27:11 --> 27:14 [DEREK]: And we hear Billy talking to her about Hi-Badi is doing portals.
27:14 --> 27:17 [DEREK]: It'll be really difficult for him to travel to Tommy.
27:17 --> 27:21 [DEREK]: Well, he's talking to somebody off-screen about Hi-Badi.
27:21 --> 27:22 [DEREK]: I suspect it's Agatha.
27:23 --> 27:24 [DEREK]: And this week Terry Battales has said,
27:25 --> 27:28 [DEREK]: They never once considered having Catherine Hound the show.
27:29 --> 27:32 [DEREK]: They didn't have the budget to do that as specifically what he said.
27:32 --> 27:36 [DEREK]: Some people were saying that's because Catherine Hound's wage bill is quite a lot of money.
27:36 --> 27:41 [DEREK]: I think what he meant was doing a ghost in the episode might be a bit over the budget that he had available.
27:41 --> 27:42 [DEREK]: I think that's what he really meant.
27:43 --> 27:46 [DEREK]: I don't think he was saying Catherine Hound wouldn't come back for it, boss.
27:47 --> 27:47 [DEREK]: But I just think it was interesting.
27:48 --> 27:52 [DEREK]: They just had a little nod to the fact that Agatha could be still there as a ghost that
27:53 --> 27:56 [DEREK]: But that starts aged our hugs for this part of the episode.
27:56 --> 28:10 [DEREK]: It also inspires Tommy to use his speed powers and join up with Paladin, who is alive, because Edith Savedon, Lisa and Tommy, Paladin and Edith are joined up together outside of the house.
28:10 --> 28:16 [DEREK]: And Tommy decides to use his speed power to go inside and save his dad.
28:17 --> 28:20 [DEREK]: And they have the most wonderfully realized scene here,
28:23 --> 28:47 [DEREK]: of the speedster going round and round the table and then you see a little salt, a spread of the table and then you see high down, written in the salt and then realize that effectively Tommy is accelerating his speed around the table and Vision has to accelerate his mind to catch up with Tommy so they can have a conversation that what they can do to take down virtual.
28:47 --> 28:59 [JOHN]: And I love that it then goes into effectively slow mode because they're visualizing the super high synaptic processes or whatever of vision.
28:59 --> 29:02 [JOHN]: So that was absolutely fantastic here.
29:02 --> 29:06 [JOHN]: And I think the opening line because this is all coming.
29:06 --> 29:34 [JOHN]: um just after we've had the rhinestone cowboy dance and visions like going look I'm being to leases here luckily he's not to leases anything important yet but I wouldn't mind losing the last 100 of these seconds absolutely classic whilst you've got Tommy sort of doing the slow mo run around the table yeah which I thought was really really good
29:35 --> 29:53 [JOHN]: And I kind of like how this plays out because he's talking to vision, he's saying, look, I'll get the guards and do this, he's like, no, destroy Virgil's console, these controlling us with and in the end, jacaster catches up as well.
29:53 --> 29:56 [JOHN]: And also starts to join the conversation saying, look,
29:57 --> 30:01 [JOHN]: Do as Vision has said, and he's like, well, can we trust her?
30:02 --> 30:05 [JOHN]: And here we have Vision saying, yes, she's family.
30:05 --> 30:10 [JOHN]: She's part of the lineage of Phineas Hort and effectively.
30:10 --> 30:11 [JOHN]: Yeah.
30:11 --> 30:12 [JOHN]: In that sense.
30:12 --> 30:19 [DEREK]: And so, and right, I'm still not sure, because it doesn't play out the way he thinks to play action from that point onwards.
30:19 --> 30:26 [JOHN]: It doesn't, but I just don't think we get to know because with the console and being destroyed,
30:28 --> 30:35 [JOHN]: then it really ends up with, I mean, I love the fact that she smashes Virgil through the glass table.
30:35 --> 30:36 [JOHN]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
30:36 --> 30:37 [JOHN]: So good.
30:38 --> 30:40 [JOHN]: But after that, we don't really know.
30:40 --> 30:43 [JOHN]: I mean, I can understand that in a moment of rage.
30:43 --> 30:54 [JOHN]: She's been put into this robotic body and it's given her, yes, a new lease of life, but all of it has been against her will and all at the same
30:57 --> 31:09 [JOHN]: pick up where he kind of left off after having betrayed her, her actual work and graft to Tony Stark and Stark Industries.
31:10 --> 31:12 [JOHN]: And so that felt very cathartic there.
31:13 --> 31:14 [JOHN]: I could see that.
31:15 --> 31:17 [JOHN]: But ultimately then,
31:20 --> 31:21 [JOHN]: she is shot by him.
31:21 --> 31:22 [JOHN]: Yes.
31:22 --> 31:25 [JOHN]: With Adam Antum and bullets.
31:25 --> 31:26 [JOHN]: So that's it.
31:26 --> 31:27 [DEREK]: I guess so because it's pretty
31:29 --> 31:32 [DEREK]: fatal for like she's got holes.
31:32 --> 31:32 [DEREK]: Yeah.
31:32 --> 31:37 [DEREK]: It's just it's kind of the same effect that that vision had when he was shot with the adamant in full play.
31:37 --> 31:37 [DEREK]: Exactly.
31:38 --> 31:39 [DEREK]: By Paladrone on the season.
31:39 --> 31:44 [DEREK]: So I presume he has the same dealer of the adamant in bullets against.
31:44 --> 31:45 [JOHN]: No exactly.
31:45 --> 31:51 [JOHN]: So I think I just don't feel we get to know because ultimately
31:51 --> 32:10 [JOHN]: The bad things that come from this are spurned by an after the second hook in this moment where she brings back Ultron by throwing the hard drive into the sort of cloud of nanobots there.
32:10 --> 32:14 [JOHN]: Virgil has been kind of showing off to them as to what he is doing because his intention is
32:17 --> 32:22 [JOHN]: vision to be his body and his mind into vision.
32:22 --> 32:27 [JOHN]: He joins Jekaster and they rule the world.
32:27 --> 32:31 [JOHN]: You know, he says, you've become a goddess and you need a god.
32:32 --> 32:34 [JOHN]: I'm that person.
32:35 --> 32:40 [JOHN]: And ultimately, Ultron then has gotten his form back.
32:40 --> 32:41 [JOHN]: He's no longer a hard drive.
32:48 --> 32:59 [JOHN]: Ultron holding the dying jacaster in his arms as she effectively loses her power.
33:00 --> 33:05 [DEREK]: Yeah, she dies, which leads to the third and final hug, which I was...
33:05 --> 33:31 [DEREK]: You shocked it, I heard they went with this one, and like you have Ultram basically going, well, you know, I would have saved the world if the castle was in it, but she's not, so nobody deserves to live, and then walks over and crushes Virgil to death as the Lord pours out of his eyes, it's kind of like, it's kind of like what you think as a kid that you sort of that one on color, and to that get really strong, hug is going to do because you're kind of like,
33:32 --> 33:36 [JOHN]: Ah, um, but it's definitely what I call eye popping.
33:36 --> 33:37 [JOHN]: I thought it was great.
33:37 --> 33:51 [JOHN]: I'm thinking, oh my god, this is just really nicely done because it's not like his whole body explodes and it was just like it's like he needed windscreen wipers on the inside of his glasses because it
33:52 --> 33:57 [JOHN]: It's kind of like when you land an infected room to something.
33:57 --> 33:59 [JOHN]: It's kind of just people who eat and jump.
33:59 --> 34:00 [JOHN]: Who's there?
34:00 --> 34:00 [JOHN]: Yeah.
34:00 --> 34:01 [JOHN]: I kind of liked that.
34:01 --> 34:03 [JOHN]: It was kind of like a soft light.
34:04 --> 34:04 [DEREK]: Oh, no.
34:06 --> 34:08 [DEREK]: But there's also just a tiny little touch at the end.
34:08 --> 34:10 [DEREK]: When I'll try and just throw this the lifeless.
34:10 --> 34:11 [DEREK]: Yes.
34:11 --> 34:12 [DEREK]: Me too.
34:12 --> 34:12 [DEREK]: Yeah.
34:13 --> 34:13 [DEREK]: Across the room.
34:14 --> 34:15 [DEREK]: And that is the end of Virgil.
34:15 --> 34:16 [DEREK]: Like what a way to go.
34:17 --> 34:18 [DEREK]: Yeah.
34:18 --> 34:18 [DEREK]: I'm really lucky.
34:22 --> 34:35 [JOHN]: It was unexpected, but also, yes, it's the moment the jacaster dies, Ultron, becomes ultra vengeful here, and you know.
34:37 --> 34:49 [JOHN]: He finishes it off with after crushing Virgil as Oops, I hortened and they took her.
34:50 --> 34:56 [JOHN]: They want extinction, the end is the only thing they believe in, I'll finish what I started.
34:57 --> 35:08 [JOHN]: and you kind of get the release of all these millions of nanobox that we saw in fact Lisa Billions, yeah, or billions, indeed.
35:09 --> 35:20 [DEREK]: And I think this is why I've spoken there because he sends out enough nanobots to take out the local centre, but they mentioned that there's about 20 billion of them.
35:20 --> 35:22 [DEREK]: Which could take down the world so he hasn't sent eight billions.
35:23 --> 35:26 [DEREK]: He sent out enough to take down the local population center.
35:26 --> 35:27 [JOHN]: Well, it's a local population center.
35:28 --> 35:28 [DEREK]: I don't know John.
35:28 --> 35:33 [DEREK]: It's something like lindon That's the next podcast.
35:33 --> 35:33 [DEREK]: Yeah, that's true.
35:33 --> 35:41 [DEREK]: That's back on to Lord of the Rings But no, it's um, it's a you know the only population center in all of the UK London.
35:41 --> 35:45 [JOHN]: I must say I thought I'm guessing it's just because
35:47 --> 36:02 [JOHN]: there's the week break or something, but just because the previous episode and you know they flew into London and Houghton, Houghton, Mana, was just Houghton, Houghton, Houghton, was just outside and of London.
36:03 --> 36:10 [JOHN]: It felt like they had to sort of retell people that they were close to London and but it was just
36:12 --> 36:21 [JOHN]: It just fell a bit weird to me, but anyway, just matter that much, but what do you know, it also felt a little bit weird that I'm not a huge Jogfinard.
36:21 --> 36:23 [DEREK]: John here is a doctor of Jogfin.
36:23 --> 36:30 [DEREK]: He's I'm sure it wrecked us had even more than it did mine, but as they say, it's closing in through a Kenton where it's like five miles.
36:30 --> 36:32 [DEREK]: It's like five bus to the center of London.
36:32 --> 36:38 [DEREK]: That's like a by a billion people that live within five Absolutely said for rather has have none of the nanobots
36:38 --> 36:50 [DEREK]: a couple of stitch-up but this was to arrive at the center of London and then find their way to the ordinary grander something is that the plan exactly because he says you know he stands then out of bots to London like to kill
36:51 --> 37:11 [JOHN]: They've basically gone through Wembley and sort of north of Greater London, and in fact actually even before they are cancelled and destroyed, they're in amongst Tower Bridge, so they're well into London and I'm thinking surely they're all infecting people right now.
37:12 --> 37:15 [DEREK]: So I think his command was something like, and you know, kill them.
37:15 --> 37:23 [DEREK]: Like, it wasn't very definitive, but maybe he was giving an opportunity for a discussion, maybe a baby that was.
37:24 --> 37:29 [JOHN]: But I think it's more edith scene there when she comes in and is like, oh, that will be London.
37:29 --> 37:31 [JOHN]: It felt like that was totally unnecessary.
37:32 --> 37:32 [JOHN]: Well, yeah.
37:32 --> 37:36 [DEREK]: And but anyway, so yes, I think we we talked about this separately.
37:36 --> 37:37 [DEREK]: So we'll say it on the podcast as well.
37:37 --> 37:41 [DEREK]: What I think more than likely happen, we've got a lot of British cast members on here as well.
37:41 --> 37:42 [DEREK]: We've got wealth people.
37:42 --> 37:47 [DEREK]: We've got Scottish people and we've got English people involved in the show actually.
37:48 --> 38:02 [DEREK]: There, I think they probably did have another population center like Manchester, Liverpool, or Birmingham, or somewhere in the UK that they were going to say, and somebody behind the scenes went, nobody outside of the military cares.
38:02 --> 38:08 [DEREK]: Change it to London, so they brought Edith into that special room with record the dialogue to help.
38:09 --> 38:09 [DEREK]: along the audience.
38:09 --> 38:10 [DEREK]: I think that's all it was.
38:10 --> 38:11 [DEREK]: It's just what are those things.
38:11 --> 38:15 [DEREK]: You just expect Eddie or their city in England would be fine for this conversation.
38:15 --> 38:24 [JOHN]: The other thing I found really hilarious unintentionally in this kind of point within the episode.
38:24 --> 38:33 [JOHN]: And I know that Tommy has only just done this speed stir sort of fast movement once.
38:33 --> 38:34 [JOHN]: Yeah.
38:34 --> 38:35 [JOHN]: So first time he's done it.
38:36 --> 38:41 [JOHN]: But it does look like he says about 20 cigarettes after he is like, Huffin and Puff.
38:41 --> 38:49 [JOHN]: I mean, it's like I would be like did the 100 meces and now that's like fairs and be was going to give you a whole lot of strategies.
38:49 --> 38:52 [JOHN]: Like he was so out of breath.
38:52 --> 38:53 [JOHN]: Yeah, I was like.
38:53 --> 38:54 [JOHN]: Like, I get it.
38:54 --> 39:07 [JOHN]: It's the first time he's kind of employed his speedster ability for actually fast running or cool runnings and yeah, but it's just the aftermath of that where he's kind of like,
39:10 --> 39:17 [JOHN]: In fear, I haven't got the energy to do something else to get killed in nanopots or whatever.
39:17 --> 39:24 [JOHN]: So yeah, I just felt like he's gone through a juicy free packet of cigarettes.
39:25 --> 39:32 [DEREK]: I would say, in fairness, they do add a line and the line of dialogue at the first thing he says division is,
39:32 --> 39:38 [DEREK]: This is really difficult when you haven't carbed up, so he hasn't eaten the carbs that he might need to eat, which is actually from the flash.
39:39 --> 39:46 [DEREK]: He hasn't eaten the carbs that he'd need to do this, and they're keeping him talking with this argument between vision and him.
39:46 --> 39:52 [DEREK]: You mentioned it earlier on, but it is really funny that the whole thing is back to vision saying a capital of a teenager.
39:52 --> 39:58 [DEREK]: He tells Tommy to do something and tell he goes, I have a better idea, and he goes, you're never listening to really goes, I did hear you.
39:59 --> 40:04 [DEREK]: And until Jakastik comes in and goes, no, you need to listen to your father and do what you need to do.
40:04 --> 40:05 [DEREK]: So I know what you mean.
40:05 --> 40:07 [DEREK]: Afterwards, he is absolutely right.
40:07 --> 40:08 [DEREK]: He will learn how to do better.
40:08 --> 40:14 [DEREK]: People at the end of the day that when you see this slow, damn version of the conversation really when visions talk into him.
40:14 --> 40:15 [DEREK]: What he's actually doing in his...
40:16 --> 40:18 [DEREK]: version of running around the table.
40:18 --> 40:19 [DEREK]: He's jogging around the table.
40:19 --> 40:22 [DEREK]: He's not running like quick silver or running like the two courses of quick silver.
40:23 --> 40:24 [DEREK]: He's jogging around the table.
40:24 --> 40:30 [DEREK]: So this is not speed, asphalt speeds when he's going round and round as fast as he is.
40:30 --> 40:32 [DEREK]: So in the future we could see
40:33 --> 40:56 [JOHN]: speed tell me doing a much faster version of this what he's learned to use as a person but I do think it's really funny that he's like oh god I can't do anything sorry I'm sorry it's not a criticism I actually it because there's so many good moments of humour in this episode like after ultra on squeezing and the actual like a blood orange it's like you know
40:57 --> 41:03 [JOHN]: And he goes, oops, I haught and that's hilarious in a dark sense of humor.
41:03 --> 41:13 [JOHN]: I think this too, whether it's intentional or not, and oh, it's given the, you know, the early stage in his abilities.
41:15 --> 41:33 [JOHN]: It's just really funny because as well as as thin as a rake, so you kind of like going, it must be a healthy guy and it's like Iggy Pop has been thin for almost 80 years John and I wouldn't call him a healthy kind of guy
41:34 --> 41:36 [JOHN]: It's still live, absolutely.
41:37 --> 41:47 [DEREK]: With us and with our client, Dad and I brand new, one-up brand new, a very old villain taking up center stage after hugs for everyone.
41:47 --> 41:49 [DEREK]: They'd still with that threat, now I don't think.
41:49 --> 41:51 [DEREK]: We're going to work our codeline three done.
41:51 --> 41:53 [JOHN]: Yes, let's get on to codeline number three.
41:56 --> 42:03 [JOHN]: ultra-vision, ultra-vision, don't kill the world, don't kill the world.
42:05 --> 42:12 [DEREK]: Ultra-vision's theme song being, including the lines, please don't kill the world, if you think it is hilarious.
42:12 --> 42:13 [DEREK]: So, yes!
42:14 --> 42:26 [DEREK]: Vision and Edith working together to create a simulation which will encourage Ultron to think about what he's doing based on the fact that he's just lost the person that he loves and has to deal with his grief.
42:26 --> 42:34 [DEREK]: If there's anything more one division or Agatha all along than someone having to deal with grief to get over their problem that could kill the world, I don't know what it is.
42:34 --> 42:35 [DEREK]: This is perfect.
42:35 --> 42:49 [JOHN]: And even what Vision has just gone through, yes, I love the fact here that he's having to synchronize their emotional processes to try and change his mind effectively here, and it goes into ultra vision.
42:52 --> 43:08 [JOHN]: Just think this, this is like one division happening in a nutshell, um, I really, really enjoyed, um, just the, the look of James Spaces face, there's all of this, which,
43:09 --> 43:11 [JOHN]: was kind of like I don't care.
43:11 --> 43:22 [JOHN]: I think, you know, he starts off with what the F, as it starts up, he's a totally, he's totally aware of his predicament.
43:22 --> 43:31 [JOHN]: I love that the audience laugh track is effectively absolutely off because I love the fact that we have the morality metaphor
43:36 --> 43:38 [JOHN]: Goldfish and what should he do?
43:38 --> 43:54 [JOHN]: Should he tell her or should he sort of buy another one and pretend and he's like Because it's like she comes in and he's trying to hide this sort of goldfish bowl And the audience is laughing all the time while she's saying this and then
43:54 --> 43:59 [JOHN]: James Spader just looks up and goes, Sparkles is dead, rollcratties.
44:00 --> 44:02 [JOHN]: And you got the audience laughing at this.
44:03 --> 44:09 [JOHN]: The nice point that you picked out with Ultron is down as the editor.
44:09 --> 44:09 [JOHN]: Yes.
44:09 --> 44:17 [JOHN]: On this, which makes this point where he looks to the camera and says, Sparkles is dead, rollcratties, really, really good.
44:17 --> 44:20 [DEREK]: Well, even more fun, the way they did it was, they have,
44:21 --> 44:29 [DEREK]: created or executive producers effectively vision Edith and then it goes edited by vision and flashes and changes to edited by electrons.
44:30 --> 44:49 [DEREK]: So he's saying I'm taking over and that's when he does start to take over the show and some of the ideas of this are great where he starts to bring in people from the outside he can feel through the nanobots outside he can feel all the rest of the cast of the show and they're in the room and start to bring them in we have Paul Dennings coming in
44:50 --> 44:52 [DEREK]: comes in as the as the neighbor.
44:52 --> 45:02 [DEREK]: We have Lisa coming in as the chimney sweep airtion because she's an orphan and just think that's hilarious or he'd like he's got a little too Dickensian for this.
45:02 --> 45:13 [DEREK]: And then he brings in Tommy speed as his grandson and Tommy's line as he walks in going um I just ran over the neighbor's cat and stuffed the body in the chimney.
45:14 --> 45:15 [DEREK]: It's just hilarious
45:18 --> 45:20 [JOHN]: We're going to get pumped to 10, we'll get pumped to 10, we'll get pumped to 10.
45:20 --> 45:22 [DEREK]: It's just really good.
45:22 --> 45:27 [DEREK]: And we have Dummy and you coming in there, but get full names, you was called Yuseless as this scene as well.
45:28 --> 45:40 [DEREK]: And we have the wonderful moment, we have the return of Friday who reveals that actually Ultram through or out of Jakastasmine to save her and now she's back to help vision and eateth.
45:41 --> 45:43 [DEREK]: But is introduced with the line for me to be going,
45:44 --> 45:44 [DEREK]: It's like God, it's Friday.
45:45 --> 45:47 [DEREK]: I know it was so good.
45:47 --> 45:57 [JOHN]: I must say, over and remind me of one of the most traumatic ordering experiences in TGI Fridays ever, where I was asking for a capriniar.
45:57 --> 45:58 [JOHN]: Kai, piniar.
45:58 --> 45:59 [JOHN]: Exactly.
45:59 --> 46:00 [JOHN]: Kai piniar.
46:02 --> 46:14 [JOHN]: I think I want one drink to talk about 20 minutes to order just because I was brought into this conversation with the waiter and how I was pronouncing Capriña, you're like, I just want my drink there please.
46:14 --> 46:15 [DEREK]: Yeah, no, I agree.
46:15 --> 46:16 [DEREK]: It's a type of a drink.
46:16 --> 46:20 [JOHN]: Yeah, it's actually going to change it to a quadruple
46:26 --> 46:38 [JOHN]: And I do love he has a great reference, because he says, I'm going off now to go to the toiless and for an old chicer and the actually comes back.
46:38 --> 46:49 [JOHN]: Excellent reference to the crude toilet humor of the 90s, proudly low brow, defiantly undignified, which I think we should use as the tagline for our podcast.
46:49 --> 46:50 [JOHN]: I think that's pretty good.
46:50 --> 46:53 [DEREK]: That's pretty excellent, actually.
46:53 --> 46:57 [JOHN]: I like to be proudly low-brow and to finally undignify.
46:58 --> 47:05 [DEREK]: After doing that, I'm taking the wind out of the wholesome sitcom that was trying to be created multiple times.
47:06 --> 47:07 [DEREK]: He then kills the studio audience.
47:07 --> 47:10 [DEREK]: I just love that it turns from laughter into just these screens.
47:11 --> 47:18 [DEREK]: and either looking at what you can probably see is the fake studio audience all dying at the hands of Ultron.
47:18 --> 47:20 [DEREK]: I just think this is really well realized.
47:20 --> 47:23 [DEREK]: They do it again like they did earlier out of the season.
47:23 --> 47:24 [DEREK]: They do it in this really small way.
47:24 --> 47:29 [DEREK]: They're not representing a specific sitcom because coming out of visions mind here.
47:29 --> 47:31 [DEREK]: They've literally relocated it back to the loft.
47:31 --> 47:39 [DEREK]: It's exactly the same set that we've used multiple times, but it's just done incredibly well to use everything you possibly can in the scene.
47:40 --> 47:48 [DEREK]: It adds off there are literally hundreds of episodes of the show trying to convince Ultram to change his mind to make killing the world.
47:49 --> 48:02 [DEREK]: It goes on and on and on again bringing in all the rest of our vision's family and the people that are involved in this in the crew effectively until he pushes everybody out.
48:03 --> 48:08 [DEREK]: Vision is left alone with Ultron on the cage, the lights are starting to dim.
48:08 --> 48:10 [DEREK]: Little heart to heart.
48:10 --> 48:18 [DEREK]: Yeah, and Ultron realises the only way he's been able to keep the simulation alive is because effectively he's tagged into the nanobots.
48:18 --> 48:29 [JOHN]: Yes, that he's vision's been synchronizing the processes and he's kind of like, oh, check mate, you know, when he realises, because you have Ultron saying,
48:33 --> 48:36 [JOHN]: process it before your core processor burned out.
48:36 --> 48:45 [JOHN]: You may be able to do this and then he realises that it's both of their processes, all trons and visions that are effectively
48:47 --> 48:53 [JOHN]: symbolically being the the heesa and the boiler that's going up in flames here.
48:53 --> 48:56 [DEREK]: Yeah, and which I thought was was really good.
48:56 --> 49:06 [DEREK]: Really well realized and then the final conversation, which effectively gets to the harsh of an Ultron Tells vision, grief is fear.
49:07 --> 49:26 [DEREK]: And visually, he agrees, he tells Alchron that that is exactly what grief is, it's fear of being left alone, which is how Alchron has spent the last six years alone up in that attic and he doesn't want to go back to that, he's afraid that nail that he's lost, Jacosta, that he's going to be alone forever.
49:26 --> 49:30 [DEREK]: And then he says, well, that's what humans are like, they deserve to die.
49:30 --> 49:33 [DEREK]: It's just putting them out of their misery basically.
49:35 --> 49:57 [DEREK]: And we guess a wonderful vision speech talking that love always leads to loss, someone will die, which reminds Ultranov, Vision and his first ever meeting, where Vision told them things aren't beautiful because they last forever, they're beautiful because they do eventually die, which has that moment that he's remembering it because it mattered to him.
49:57 --> 49:57 [JOHN]: Yeah.
49:58 --> 49:59 [JOHN]: Exactly.
49:59 --> 50:16 [JOHN]: And I think, you know, there's that great sort of final line from vision where he says, I couldn't process this alone as you have Ultron saying, you didn't just burn out your process or you toasted mine as well, you know, ultimately that was his plan.
50:16 --> 50:21 [JOHN]: So, and again, that I need to process this with you because
50:23 --> 50:25 [JOHN]: you know the two meanings of process.
50:25 --> 50:26 [JOHN]: Exactly.
50:26 --> 50:28 [JOHN]: Which I thought was really, really good.
50:29 --> 50:45 [JOHN]: And you know, this kind of self-destruct the nano swarm that's heading over to London and probably should have killed sort of three quarters of this stage, not the last.
50:45 --> 50:46 [DEREK]: Yeah, nobody lives
50:51 --> 50:55 [DEREK]: Vision uses one of the things that's meant something really important to him.
50:55 --> 51:03 [DEREK]: What Tommy said to him back in episode two episode three, what Tommy said to vision, you may not be my father, but you are my something and visions and I say not to Ultron.
51:04 --> 51:06 [DEREK]: It gets through to Ultron finally and Ultron.
51:07 --> 51:11 [DEREK]: releases control of the knowledge that's analyzed them to die and burn out as well.
51:11 --> 51:14 [DEREK]: So it's not just the simulation burning them out.
51:14 --> 51:16 [DEREK]: It's also that all the time releases the control on there.
51:17 --> 51:20 [DEREK]: And because of, you know, the journey that vision's been on, right?
51:20 --> 51:22 [DEREK]: So that's the the important part of the episode.
51:24 --> 51:26 [DEREK]: You know, this episode is full of amazing, right?
51:26 --> 51:31 [DEREK]: And we didn't get to mention it about either saving Paladin at the beginning of the episode.
51:32 --> 51:36 [DEREK]: But it's just so well written from time Paladin's, I really do know what he's done here.
51:37 --> 51:47 [DEREK]: The scene where either this talking to Paladin is so full of a computer translating what she understands about the world into something that a human
51:48 --> 52:01 [DEREK]: We're Paladin says to her, you know, thanks for the save, but I'm out of here too old to change, um, and she says, but without updates, we're obsolete, encouraging him to change and become different.
52:01 --> 52:10 [DEREK]: You know, we, we had learned generally rather than the season that he kept an AI with it, off the internet with that of the updates at all, and that's what led to a failure effectively.
52:10 --> 52:14 [DEREK]: Now he has either through encouraging him to become stronger to embrace the new.
52:14 --> 52:15 [DEREK]: And by the end of the episode,
52:18 --> 52:19 [DEREK]: on board.
52:20 --> 52:21 [DEREK]: She is working with them.
52:21 --> 52:23 [DEREK]: So the orphan has found a new father figure effect.
52:23 --> 52:27 [JOHN]: And Tommy has confirmed as her boyfriend as well.
52:27 --> 52:28 [JOHN]: Yeah.
52:28 --> 52:37 [JOHN]: And not only does he have a new daughter, but he has a new sort of logo for the Paladin plane, which is a Prince and Unicorn over a rainbow.
52:37 --> 52:37 [JOHN]: So why does?
52:38 --> 52:38 [JOHN]: Absolutely.
52:38 --> 52:41 [DEREK]: I fixed it for us and she's so jolly and happy.
52:42 --> 52:54 [JOHN]: I'm I'm surprised they were still allowed to wear their black leather jackets You know, thank god they haven't been purchased by Skye Dance That would have been banned straight away Anyway, yes
52:56 --> 53:08 [JOHN]: But because Vision has compromised and Tommy tries his sort of kind of ressuscating with his vibrating hands, the used on previously in the swimming pool, but
53:10 --> 53:11 [JOHN]: You can't do it alone.
53:11 --> 53:32 [JOHN]: I like the fact that you just kind of get this perply glow as Billy comes to the rescue and then again, we have some final hugs because we have Tommy hugging his Resuscitated rebooted I should say vision and I like the fact here that the choice made is you have
53:33 --> 53:45 [JOHN]: Billy going in with the handshake and vision effectively pulling him in and hooking him as well and him saying my boys and you know it was just really really good.
53:45 --> 53:47 [JOHN]: I though it was an excellent little moment here.
53:48 --> 53:51 [DEREK]: It's amazing isn't it like I really enjoyed.
53:52 --> 53:58 [DEREK]: Joe Locke as Billy in a whole long, but I didn't realize how connected I am to this family getting back together.
53:59 --> 54:15 [DEREK]: It's always a bit of a, a bit of a brutal moment when that happens of reunion happens and TV shows, John will attest that usually brings the tears to be whether it's a reality show or a comedy show when, uh, when families get back together and always brings the tears, but I thought it was a really emotionally well-done scene here.
54:15 --> 54:16 [DEREK]: They run every bit of tears.
54:16 --> 54:19 [DEREK]: I should be, uh, watching us, I thought it was absolutely fabulous.
54:20 --> 54:21 [DEREK]: Well done, Joe Locke for coming back.
54:21 --> 54:48 [DEREK]: for just those two scenes it was fab and yeah we have a little moment right at the end as Tommy gets his first use for free of the of the Paladin aircraft to bring him over to New York and he has a quick chat with his father in the final moment in the mind palace saying they're off to Eastview where William Kaplan's from of course as we learned in Agthal along and so Billy is still living in in and around that area so they're gonna go there for
54:50 --> 54:53 [DEREK]: Absolutely and all began for them here.
54:53 --> 55:08 [JOHN]: I like this little moment where Tommy asking you is it possible that they will find wonder and vision says well we said goodbye so it's possible that we may say hello again at some point and which I really liked how that was just
55:09 --> 55:34 [JOHN]: to live it here and of course it's line from the end of one of it and when he was disappearing this was just a wonder so yeah and of course when we were watching the screen as it didn't have that second post credit so yeah that was kind of interesting because obviously we see the post credit where like oh you might be saying hello sooner than you thought oh I really hope
55:39 --> 55:54 [DEREK]: do the rounds quite a lot about how successful one division was for MCU on television, how popular it was that nothing could hold the camera to it in terms of all the rest of the shows they created, then Agatha Lung was a massive surprise hit.
55:55 --> 56:02 [DEREK]: I think it did significantly better than they thought it was going to do, given how low the budget was on it, and this show has been massively
56:08 --> 56:21 [DEREK]: we will have a moment where we have this family vision Tommy Billy back in some way to convince Wanda to go away from the potential of what's going to happen here.
56:21 --> 56:24 [DEREK]: Let's quickly talk about it because there's not too much to it.
56:24 --> 56:25 [DEREK]: It's a quick moment.
56:25 --> 56:28 [DEREK]: It's following the the scene in Dr.
56:28 --> 56:32 [DEREK]: Strange, multiple of his madness where one degoer comes down and crushes Wanda.
56:32 --> 56:33 [DEREK]: That was the last time we saw.
56:34 --> 56:38 [DEREK]: Vision had mentioned it multiple times during the season that she was crushed under a mention.
56:38 --> 56:41 [JOHN]: Wait for her own emotion?
56:41 --> 56:43 [DEREK]: Well, that was the that was the infarriage.
56:43 --> 56:46 [DEREK]: Yeah, but we have
56:46 --> 56:54 [DEREK]: doom arriving, lifting up the mountain and saying he is going to take her power and we see her eyes open again.
56:54 --> 56:57 [JOHN]: So absolutely it's really interesting.
56:57 --> 57:02 [JOHN]: It's funny though because it is this cloaked figure and you see the
57:10 --> 57:14 [JOHN]: I just felt the voice sounded like the red skull from them here.
57:15 --> 57:15 [JOHN]: Right, yeah.
57:15 --> 57:25 [JOHN]: It might not be Robert Danny Jr.'s voice potentially, or his lap variant, and accent is like off again.
57:25 --> 57:31 [DEREK]: I think it's possible that they hired Wasmerquand to do another voice in the MCU.
57:31 --> 57:36 [DEREK]: He's done tons of them now, including red skull as you mentioned from a Vendry land game.
57:36 --> 57:40 [DEREK]: Um, he replaced the voice there and did the voice of red skull.
57:40 --> 57:41 [DEREK]: So that's entirely possible.
57:42 --> 57:46 [DEREK]: I remember we were saying to the feedback, there's no way that we're getting rubber danger and you need to do this.
57:47 --> 57:57 [DEREK]: But I do feel just the the reason why it sounds that it'll all if I think is because that particular line of dialogue may not appear in Doomsday, but this scene will have to appear in Doomsday.
57:57 --> 57:58 [DEREK]: You'll have to have.
57:59 --> 58:12 [DEREK]: doom arriving and bringing Scarlett Witchback, you know, it'll have to be there, and I just think the actual dialogue that's there is written for a ten-second post-gradency in other series to get you ready for doomsday, but you're not going to see this particular scene.
58:12 --> 58:19 [DEREK]: So they may not have had Robert Dining Jr. record that line, they may have had Ross Markon just substitutes the dialogue.
58:19 --> 58:21 [JOHN]: I mean, it's not a criticism.
58:22 --> 58:27 [JOHN]: I mean, when I first saw it, I didn't at all think anything of it.
58:28 --> 58:34 [JOHN]: I think it was like around the second or third time that watched it and I was like, oh, it just, it feels like red skull.
58:35 --> 58:36 [JOHN]: Much.
58:36 --> 58:38 [JOHN]: In terms of the intonation of it.
58:38 --> 58:40 [JOHN]: And again, that could just be completely way off.
58:40 --> 58:42 [JOHN]: And it, either way, it just matters.
58:43 --> 58:44 [JOHN]: I mean, I'd love to see the red skull bank.
58:45 --> 58:59 [DEREK]: I would think that would be so cool if we saw the Red Skull back after he's appearance in Katz America First Avenger than disappearing for almost 20 years appearing on another planet in end game and I would love if they went
59:00 --> 59:02 [DEREK]: Um, you know what, we'll bring him back for Tuesday as well.
59:02 --> 59:03 [DEREK]: Why not?
59:03 --> 59:03 [DEREK]: It's red skull.
59:04 --> 59:12 [DEREK]: They know finally Captain America's main antagonist is back on earth for one final battle on the side of Doom.
59:12 --> 59:12 [DEREK]: It would be cool.
59:13 --> 59:16 [DEREK]: Um, but the other postcratic scene that's there shows us, um,
59:17 --> 59:18 [DEREK]: Trump's still alive.
59:18 --> 59:26 [DEREK]: We'd heard that just before the credits he made a phone call to a division church tries to surprise him and I love the vision goes, I'll Trump, knowing that he got away.
59:26 --> 59:34 [JOHN]: And he's still coin flipping, I do like the fact he says, well I think I might take in the Lou for the Met, see what chaos it brings.
59:35 --> 59:53 [DEREK]: or burn everything to ash and fifty fifty it's going for me like his vision right to leave him out there in the world if he's still coin flipping like he's very powerful you know when he's now got a nanobobody which means they can be whoever he wants to be and he chooses in the poster of the sea we see he chooses to take on
59:54 --> 59:56 [DEREK]: The look of Virgil.
59:56 --> 59:59 [DEREK]: Yes, with no hair, which I thought was really good.
59:59 --> 01:00:18 [DEREK]: So we started it Slagging off his his massive beard that he had then will be so Virgil the end of the last episode We talked about the terrible waxed mustache that's that Virgil ad this time he has looks like no hair in his head or a facial hair Either he looks a bit more like the the metal Ultron because he has no facial hair day
01:00:19 --> 01:00:20 [DEREK]: Yes.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:21 [DEREK]: Yes.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:26 [DEREK]: But he's spinning in his hands the chip of Jakosta once again.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:35 [DEREK]: So he's making a choice whether he will live at his life alone in Horton Hall, looking like Virgil is what I think is happening.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:37 [DEREK]: So at the rest of the world we'll see him as Virgil.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:44 [DEREK]: He could live at the rest of his life as a billionaire here and he's wondering whether we'll live at it alone or whether he recreates Jakosta and brings her back.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:45 [DEREK]: Exactly.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:46 [DEREK]: Interesting.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47 [JOHN]: Yeah, no, I thought it was good.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:47 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:48 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:53 [JOHN]: Because, I think, to Nia Miller here, it's just superb.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [JOHN]: It's a good cost.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:55 [JOHN]: I love Andjo Carrington.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 [JOHN]: Really enjoyed her character.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:58 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59 [JOHN]: And I love her.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:18 [JOHN]: most, if not all the things that she's in for me, whether it's in the haunting of blind manner, you know, I've just always enjoyed her performances and so I'm hoping he kind of chooses to spend eternity with jacoster.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:26 [DEREK]: Yes, we absolutely could see them back if they want to, um, they're on the test board for the MCU to play in detail about that.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 [DEREK]: Yeah, exactly.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:29 [JOHN]: But yeah, good stuff.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:33 [JOHN]: Any notes, Derek, for this episode.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:39 [DEREK]: Thousands, hundreds and hundreds of thousands, but I want to get onto our feedback to discuss some of them.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:41 [DEREK]: Do you have any big notes you want to talk about, Jeff?
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 [JOHN]: No, no notes for me.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43 [JOHN]: Excellent.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:48 [JOHN]: Well, I think with that then, John, do you defend a vision quest episode eight forever?
01:01:48 --> 01:01:54 [JOHN]: I absolutely do defend this episode of VisionQuest forever.
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01:02:07 --> 01:02:09 [JOHN]: final episode.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:18 [JOHN]: I just love everything about it that's kind of revealed behind the curtain of Oz being virtual.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:23 [JOHN]: Yes, both terrifying still, but also slightly emasculated by the
01:02:26 --> 01:02:52 [JOHN]: some excellent moments here, I think the dancing between James Spader and Tenea Miller just superb little bit of comedy here in amongst all of this followed by the dark comedy of the the the big bloody hug from Ultramto to Virgil followed by the potentially unintentional funny moment of
01:02:52 --> 01:03:03 [JOHN]: Tommy and breathing like a 70 year old and after smoking 200 regal and from the 1980s, I can't help out with the nanobots.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04 [DEREK]: I'm having a fag.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 [JOHN]: Just really, really good.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:10 [JOHN]: And yeah, I mean, I loved.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [JOHN]: all of this moving through.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:26 [JOHN]: I love that they did wander vision in a nutshell with ultra vision I thought the ending of that personal heart to heart between vision and ultra on absolutely superb.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:40 [JOHN]: and actually epismizes the real deep level of writing at a humorous level at an emotional and a heartfelt level that this show has had all the way through it.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:43 [JOHN]: So absolutely loved all that plus yeah.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:48 [JOHN]: two post credit scenes, one walking us into Doomstay.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:52 [JOHN]: So absolutely, a really due to fend.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:59 [JOHN]: This episode of VisionCrest with five didactic duty delights out of five.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:05 [JOHN]: And yes, I guess if I were to do a note, it would be the fact that you
01:04:11 --> 01:04:20 [DEREK]: that, honestly, let's see, maybe laugh every single time because it felt like something eight of the goes wrong show where Dummy went, we are reporting for duty and then just goes new.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:26 [DEREK]: And in the background, you just hear you gilling duty.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:29 [DEREK]: It just may be laugh every time it's very fun.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:35 [JOHN]: It felt like some, yeah, absolutely out of that show or into like hot falls.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:38 [JOHN]: It was just a real playground to you, but it was.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:39 [JOHN]: Yeah, it was brilliant.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:40 [JOHN]: Absolutely.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:43 [JOHN]: Derek, do you defend Vision Quest?
01:04:43 --> 01:04:44 [JOHN]: Absolutely.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:45 [JOHN]: Forever.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:48 [DEREK]: I do defend Vision Quest forever.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:55 [DEREK]: I really loved how this story ended the trilogy that is one division that I could tell along.
01:04:55 --> 01:05:05 [DEREK]: And Vision Quest, I think it worked really well and to that end, the writing really speaks to that literally at the beginning of the episode when Virgil is explaining his part.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:06 [DEREK]: He says to Vision,
01:05:07 --> 01:05:12 [DEREK]: you are the last part of an old story and the first part of a new one.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:25 [DEREK]: Now we can move on in the world with a new vision out in the MCU with his family accepting who he is and it's a really strong story that's been told across the course of these three seasons.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:51 [DEREK]: Loved us what a way to end what's been the longest tail in the in Marvel TV and all we have left a Marvel TV as far as we know is Daredevil born again, which is always kind of stand the study in its own so this could be literally the end of Marvel TV as we know it right now Yeah, I know we have the potential and you spy show that's coming up Maybe but that's being developed and what safe is under the animation valor isn't it really?
01:05:51 --> 01:05:52 [JOHN]: Yes, yeah
01:05:53 --> 01:06:04 [DEREK]: The Marvels obviously, the other three Marvels on Be Shoes, yeah, push, there's no a next shows, but that's part of, you know, Cleaning Ice as they get into Doomsday and Seekers wars.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:09 [DEREK]: Once those are over, I'm sure they'll be brand new plans for their 10 or 15 years of movies and TV shows.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:18 [DEREK]: But this one was a great way to go, Ash, and I am so excited again to get back to the cinema in just over a month's time for a day, so absolutely awesome.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:22 [JOHN]: But I think with that let's get back to the old pub, the old salki.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:29 [JOHN]: In fact, for the final question in this series, pub quiz.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:35 [JOHN]: So fellow defenders, fellow quizzes hold onto those hats of yours.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 [JOHN]: This is going to be a roller coaster ride.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:43 [JOHN]: Here is question eight from this final episode.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:50 [JOHN]: What very special episode of the ultra-vision sitcom introduces the new cast members?
01:06:51 --> 01:06:57 [DEREK]: That's supposed to be a really easy question because the final question of the eight questions for the season.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 [DEREK]: So don't think about it too hard.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:02 [DEREK]: It's very clear what episode we're talking about.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03 [DEREK]: John, do you want to get the question one more time?
01:07:03 --> 01:07:03 [DEREK]: Yes.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:10 [DEREK]: What very special episode of the UltraVision sitcom introduces the new cast members.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:11 [DEREK]: Fantastic.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:12 [DEREK]: That's the eighth question.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:18 [DEREK]: I'll vote pop on over to the website at tvpodcastindustries.com And for all the questions, if you've missed any of them, they're all up there.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:25 [DEREK]: And then email us into feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com And you can be able to chance of getting your hands on some vision quest goodies.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:30 [DEREK]: We have the Funko Pups of Vision and Ultron in our house right there.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:31 [DEREK]: So maybe you're going to hand those?
01:07:31 --> 01:07:32 [JOHN]: Yes.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:34 [JOHN]: Absolutely, should we move on to feedback?
01:07:34 --> 01:07:35 [DEREK]: Yes, please.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:40 [DEREK]: First up, we have some feedback on Discord that we missed, for episode 7, because we recorded a little bit early.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:49 [DEREK]: Paul Lee says, we got to see Paul Betney act up to two of himself, but seriously, some very nice work there, distinguishing three characters with the same face.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:51 [DEREK]: And now we know where Ultron got his avatar from.
01:07:51 --> 01:08:02 [DEREK]: And my guess is that the shotgun holding James Spader is the grandson of Phineas Horton, via his daughter, Victoria, who conveniently swiped Papa's notebook before leaving for New Yorker than Mother.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:04 [DEREK]: I can't wait to see how the story resolves next week.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:12 [DEREK]: I think Ultron released Friday into the internet and she'll be an important part of how Vision gets out of his captivity.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:14 [DEREK]: Oh, great speculation, they're Paul.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:16 [JOHN]: Yeah, thanks very much, Paul.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:29 [JOHN]: Certainly a good speculation that around Virgil, Dr. Granson, and actually Friday wasn't really instrumental though in the end,
01:08:31 --> 01:08:42 [DEREK]: And she's free and she's out there and she's got to tell the vision that she's proud of him and he's changed and she's happy that she doesn't have to guise him through life anymore and that he's recovered who he is.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:42 [DEREK]: Exactly.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:45 [JOHN]: So you absolutely right that he did release her.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:52 [JOHN]: It wasn't kind of like killing her and so that's that's a good call and also I do like the gag.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:55 [JOHN]: that she was welcomed into the sitcom with.
01:08:56 --> 01:08:57 [JOHN]: Thank God it's fine.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:59 [DEREK]: Absolutely, yeah, great to see that, great stuff.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:00 [DEREK]: It's actually much poll.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:04 [DEREK]: I know we have your thoughts on Episode 8 as well, but next up, Dr. Barb has his thoughts on Episode 7.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:11 [JOHN]: Yes, Dr. Barb says, very nice to see Bettany being given a space to really show off his acting skills with three characters.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:16 [JOHN]: full range of emotions and a satisfying therapeutic breakthrough.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:20 [JOHN]: The power to get those feelings back was within you all, a long tin man.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:31 [JOHN]: Perry visioned throwing Friday off the balcony was a bit of a shock to be honest, but not quite as much as seeing just how some people, yes, you James Bader, do not suit a moustache.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:37 [JOHN]: November be damned, there aren't many who were one well and we should be judging those
01:09:42 --> 01:09:43 [JOHN]: absolutely.
01:09:45 --> 01:10:01 [JOHN]: I mean, if I were to wear one, it would be kind of one of those thin pencil ones that you would see in sort of, I don't know, 1970s movies of kind of Central America, where the general has a really thin mustache, it'd be awful.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:03 [DEREK]: I think, um,
01:10:04 --> 01:10:15 [DEREK]: Maybe that or that kind of sounds a little bit like who's the head of the household and the out of his family Yeah, yeah, exactly that kind of kind of stuff.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:19 [DEREK]: That's very cool and I can't say movemba be jammed I'm a big big supporter of my member
01:10:20 --> 01:10:26 [DEREK]: particularly because it looks awful and that's kind of the point and some of the people involved in setting it up, that was kind of the point of it.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:29 [DEREK]: That mustache is like absolutely terrible.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:38 [DEREK]: You're doing it for charity for 30 days and I know a lot of people who do it shave it off on the the final day and never ever do a mustache again.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:46 [DEREK]: Like myself, John, as I realize I have a ginger moustache and they had dark hair at the time, it doesn't work.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:47 [JOHN]: Yeah, mine doesn't grow in time.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:55 [JOHN]: Ultimately, I need mech, Sender and Manuari to get mine going.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:59 [JOHN]: Yeah, maybe maybe by the stars of Easter, you might have.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:04 [JOHN]: Although, as a gay man, maybe we can start up something called Manuari.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:14 [DEREK]: Thanks so much for your feedback and episode 7 Dr. Bob, let's move on to some episode 8 feedback.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:22 [JOHN]: Yes, on Discord Palo says, a very satisfying finale to this excellent show.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:30 [JOHN]: Thank God I watched first thing this morning as the moment I sat down on the bus, the guild behind me proceeded to spoil the second post credits scene.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:34 [JOHN]: overall it was a very tidy conclusion.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:40 [JOHN]: Happy to see Ultron having an ultra flexible body and the capacity to recreate your castor.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:46 [JOHN]: I thought her dispatch was a bit too much an Ultron fusion with the Nannus ROM very far fetched.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:49 [JOHN]: But hey, it's sci-fi fantasy.
01:11:49 --> 01:11:50 [JOHN]: What do I know?
01:11:50 --> 01:11:56 [JOHN]: The family theme and the reunion with Billy was lovely and the return of the sitcom format was great,
01:11:58 --> 01:12:00 [JOHN]: that the threat to London had much tension.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 [JOHN]: You knew it was going to happen from the start.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:11 [JOHN]: Didn't feed back on this after the opening because of timing issues, but enjoy your coverage and analysis very much.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:12 [JOHN]: Thank you.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:14 [JOHN]: Five out of five hats.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:15 [JOHN]: Awesome.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:16 [JOHN]: Apparently great.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:18 [DEREK]: Is that for a podcast, by the way, or for the episode?
01:12:19 --> 01:12:20 [DEREK]: I think both.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:20 [DEREK]: It's for both.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21 [DEREK]: It's for both.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:21 [DEREK]: Yeah.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:22 [DEREK]: Yeah.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:23 [DEREK]: Yeah.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:25 [DEREK]: It's interesting, isn't it?
01:12:25 --> 01:12:29 [DEREK]: About the nanobots creating the body of Ultron.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:43 [DEREK]: I thought it was far-fetched and then I just realized that that's the glove the Tony has in endgame that he creates to hold the stones and does his snap to restore everything to life, that's nanobot.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:44 [DEREK]: That's what nanobot's do in the MCU.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:50 [DEREK]: They basically can create absolutely anything this within your mind and Tony showed that multiple times over and over again.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:56 [DEREK]: Like yeah, okay, it's definitely a sci-fi show in this time.
01:12:57 --> 01:13:03 [DEREK]: But if it can do that, it could definitely create the body of Ultron, which has been arranged for quite a long time.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:06 [DEREK]: So it does kind of make sense in that context as well, doesn't it?
01:13:07 --> 01:13:07 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:14 [JOHN]: And I totally with you around the Threat to London, even though I was thinking, all the Threats happened.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:16 [JOHN]: I actually think they failed.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:17 [JOHN]: That's the problem.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:24 [JOHN]: It's reached the suburbs, well, no one lives in the suburbs, then it resides the suburbs.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:30 [JOHN]: It's coming into the house because the city, they've been given an order to kill.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:35 [JOHN]: I mean, it's not like they're going to hover over everyone in London and then do it simultaneously.
01:13:35 --> 01:13:36 [JOHN]: So weirdly,
01:13:38 --> 01:13:43 [JOHN]: There should be some huge fallout from the fact that half of London has died, I think.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:45 [JOHN]: But last, yes, you're right.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:49 [JOHN]: I think it wasn't handled particularly well, I would think.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:55 [DEREK]: Maybe they're using Google Maps to find the population center right now, to the central business district or something.
01:13:56 --> 01:13:56 [DEREK]: Maybe that's what it is.
01:13:56 --> 01:13:57 [DEREK]: Just poor people.
01:13:57 --> 01:14:01 [JOHN]: But they're going for the square mile of the city of London.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:01 [JOHN]: That is it.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:02 [DEREK]: Yes.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:04 [DEREK]: Go to the population center.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:05 [DEREK]: The nearest population center.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:06 [DEREK]: It must be London.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:14 [JOHN]: So yeah, totally with you on the threat level and faced by London with the NanoBots for sure, Palo.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:17 [DEREK]: Great stuff, thanks for your feedback.
01:14:17 --> 01:14:18 [DEREK]: Thanks so much.
01:14:18 --> 01:14:25 [DEREK]: Paul Lee has his thoughts on episode as well, he said that was maybe the most satisfying season conclusion of all the MCU shows.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28 [DEREK]: Except in Daredevil born again in Wonderland because I'm still not caught up in those shows.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:36 [DEREK]: Great to get Joe Lockback, though all too briefly, seems like good hours vision and the boys will show up in Doomsday to try and rescue Wonder.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:43 [DEREK]: I suspect that you are my something and James Spader's Rines to care boy dance will be the most memorable things from this show.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:45 [DEREK]: Excellent Paul.
01:14:46 --> 01:15:07 [DEREK]: Yeah, I wonder if if James Bailey's Rhine's tongue cowboy dance will be up there with With Baron Zimo's dance from from fucking the winch so it should be which got the the dance that he did got more views than fucking the winch So we got Just that one dance was going around from months Oh, yeah, let's hope that ride so dense I guess going yeah, be great.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:08 [JOHN]: Thanks Paul
01:15:09 --> 01:15:23 [DEREK]: Yeah, not sure if the boys and vision will show up in Doomsday, it might be for a secret or is next year, but not too sure, but at least there's a possibility they will appear again in the MCU, and they have said goodbye before.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:31 [JOHN]: That's true, and actually before we finally say, thank you, definitely get on to C1 to man.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:33 [JOHN]: That would be a high recommend.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:34 [JOHN]: Definitely.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:34 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:47 [JOHN]: Yeah, it is, it's quick, but it does have one of my favorite episodes from TV, fan footage, episode five.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:52 [JOHN]: I just thought was phenomenally good snappy TV.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:54 [JOHN]: It was just also really funny.
01:15:55 --> 01:16:02 [JOHN]: And of course, if you absolutely adore the characters, then definitely get on to watch Wonderman.
01:16:02 --> 01:16:04 [JOHN]: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:04 [JOHN]: Thanks, Bob.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:05 [JOHN]: Thanks Paul.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:12 [JOHN]: We also got an email in from Coffee and vodka who says, greetings fellow out of mind defenders.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:20 [JOHN]: Definitely requires another watch or three, but from the one can call this a great ending to officially the best season of the trilogy.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:32 [JOHN]: Coming full circle, taking it a bit of Billy Magic and Wonder Vision sitcom, all the while providing a perfectly planned techy solution to the dissolution of old London town.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:40 [JOHN]: As for my concerns, over Ultron's identity, it appears he shared them, decisively hortening his so-called progenitor.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:44 [JOHN]: So, Faith and Terry Metallis fully restored.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:53 [JOHN]: I enjoyed the first of the post-credit scenes as it was obviously Metallis, the second seemed like a trailer for Dunes Day directed by the Russo Brothers.
01:16:54 --> 01:17:06 [JOHN]: It was nice to be wrong about the deaths of Friday and Paladin, as well it took a whole season but Tommy Boy finally came into his own identity with this episode, meeting up with Billy and
01:17:08 --> 01:17:13 [JOHN]: Finally, here's to hoping to see more of Ultron and Jekester in future projects.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:20 [JOHN]: Not sure when we'll see another Marvel TV production, but this for now was one hell of a send-off.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:29 [JOHN]: Five homicidal hugs, brutally bath times, and Czechos notebooks out of five, peace and take care, coffee and vodka.
01:17:30 --> 01:17:34 [DEREK]: Thank you so much for your feedback and glad you enjoyed it as much speed at once.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:35 [DEREK]: What a great ending to this series.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:44 [DEREK]: Yeah, I kind of have a feeling now after seeing this final episode that that scene, whether I was kind of joking about how badly it was done with the little girl taking the note book that
01:17:45 --> 01:17:58 [DEREK]: Pheneas Horton had been, you know, I am constantly that there's no way she could possibly say, because I think that had to be just be dropped in there, because people might have got that his grandson would get the, the notebook if his wife and daughter moved to America.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:05 [DEREK]: You know, so I think he just had to be really clearly put out there that she took the notebook, so it passed in to her son of the future.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:10 [DEREK]: Yes, you know, because how else would he possibly guess that notebook?
01:18:10 --> 01:18:13 [DEREK]: Yeah, so I kind of see why that would be check-off notebook.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:14 [DEREK]: Alright.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:16 [JOHN]: Thanks so much, coffee vodka.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:17 [JOHN]: Yeah, great stuff.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:18 [JOHN]: Thanks, coffee vodka.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:24 [DEREK]: Over on Facebook, Denise Lardy says, no words, five billion nanobots.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:27 [JOHN]: Actually five, I mean, so underneath.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:34 [DEREK]: And Heather Wallace says, I had the subtitle on for the episode when Ultron killed Virgil the caption red squelts very visceral.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:40 [DEREK]: I'm very glad Paladin wasn't dead and joined Team Vision, even partnering with either at the end in a business venture.
01:18:41 --> 01:18:44 [DEREK]: Tommy's slow jog around the diving table may be laugh for some reason.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:46 [DEREK]: I wonder how many takes they had to do.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:52 [DEREK]: Each week the music has been important and those few bars of the last farewell and episode one set up the finale.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:56 [DEREK]: Although it seems the vision family will be saying hello to one to again, hopefully.
01:18:57 --> 01:18:58 [JOHN]: Yes, great stuff.
01:18:58 --> 01:19:00 [JOHN]: Thanks, Heather.
01:19:00 --> 01:19:04 [JOHN]: Yes, I really enjoyed the slow jog around the channel as well.
01:19:04 --> 01:19:06 [JOHN]: It's really, really good.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:11 [JOHN]: I think it's also why when you was like, I'm knackers.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:14 [JOHN]: Like, I haven't got the energy to sort of do anything else.
01:19:15 --> 01:19:18 [JOHN]: That's what made me laugh because it's like we've been slow jogging around.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:22 [JOHN]: But it's because it's in nano scale.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:22 [JOHN]: So, yes.
01:19:23 --> 01:19:24 [DEREK]: But it's also quite a far way to do.
01:19:24 --> 01:19:25 [DEREK]: Yes, it is.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:27 [DEREK]: Again, they've done Quicksilver in the MCU.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:36 [DEREK]: They've done Quicksilver in the X-Men universe, multiple times as well as, and they've done, you know, 95 seasons of the Flash TV show, and that terrible Flash movie.
01:19:36 --> 01:19:38 [DEREK]: They've done loads of versions.
01:19:39 --> 01:19:43 [DEREK]: in the world and to have Tommy's version of it be him to a really slow job.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:46 [DEREK]: That's a really slow demo.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:50 [DEREK]: His mind and joins up our speeds up as mine.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:51 [DEREK]: Sorry to catch him.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:54 [DEREK]: I think that's just a really fun way to do it.
01:19:54 --> 01:19:55 [DEREK]: It's super really cheap.
01:19:58 --> 01:20:04 [JOHN]: And I think Squelch is the perfect adjective for describing what happens.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:06 [JOHN]: So it's all difficult to predict that for the time.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:10 [DEREK]: So yeah, I think I'll have to have the captions on next time I watch this.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:12 [DEREK]: Absolutely, absolutely.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:14 [DEREK]: Thanks, Heather, for your feedback.
01:20:14 --> 01:20:15 [JOHN]: Yeah, thanks so much Heather.
01:20:16 --> 01:20:21 [JOHN]: Drew Wally says, what a fantastic ride and tie into all things vision.
01:20:21 --> 01:20:25 [JOHN]: The boys and fears reunited and a glimmer of hope for Ultron, maybe.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:31 [JOHN]: Fund to see the teams spread its wings, coat of arms, teams up with Paladin for new adventures,
01:20:37 --> 01:20:43 [JOHN]: Final post credits seem to have a firm speculation about Doom's magic uses in upcoming films.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:48 [JOHN]: The throwback to WonderVision with UltraVision for the finale was also a nice touch.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:53 [JOHN]: Tried hard, but couldn't quite make out all of those episode titles.
01:20:54 --> 01:21:01 [JOHN]: personal note, I picked up this comic at a comic show, now probably 35 years ago for $65.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:08 [JOHN]: Mainly because I love the cover art and always enjoyed the vision in Marvel Comics, probably much later in West Coast Avengers with Wanda.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:12 [JOHN]: thought I'd share for other comics and vision fans alike.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:20 [JOHN]: It sat in a mile of bag with back a board for years and finally sent it to CGC five years ago.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:24 [JOHN]: So you'll still have this book in my collection.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:26 [DEREK]: Fantastic true.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:28 [DEREK]: Just because you can't see the image.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:36 [DEREK]: It is an eight-level graded issue 87 of the Avengers the first appearance of vision and it's fun to
01:21:37 --> 01:21:38 [DEREK]: that is so cool through.
01:21:38 --> 01:21:39 [DEREK]: So good.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:40 [DEREK]: Yeah, great to have that collection.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:47 [DEREK]: I think, you know, I might come up a collector myself and none of my comics are worth anything, but they are worth something to me because they all feature Nick Fury.
01:21:47 --> 01:21:54 [DEREK]: And so I know what it feels like to have a comic of a character that you love the first appearance of a character you love, so that's really cool that you have that.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:56 [DEREK]: And it's such a good quality, that's really cool.
01:21:57 --> 01:22:17 [JOHN]: yeah absolutely and really glad you enjoyed this this final and fantastic ride with all things vision that's a big big fan of us yeah absolutely and certainly some of those hundreds of episode titles that were flashing through and there was some really good ones and the riders were having
01:22:17 --> 01:22:18 [DEREK]: So much fun.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:22 [DEREK]: Just overall most of them were references to other sitcoms.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:36 [DEREK]: That seemed to be a good thing There was lots of references to Star Trek in there as well, of course because Terry Matales is a huge Star Trek fan I'm sure he's going to be in the running for a new Star Trek show or movie in the future and some that I did sort of
01:22:36 --> 01:22:49 [JOHN]: Nursley sort of flick through and enjoyed along with Derek was third day support from the sun like that and use a love third rock and from the sun.
01:22:49 --> 01:22:51 [JOHN]: It's always sunny in the mind space.
01:22:52 --> 01:23:08 [JOHN]: Malwa in the middle, it's always on the infillod Alfie fans, which is where we got a lot of our directors and writers for the Marble University There's a Malwa in the middle and Gracie parts and recreation Which was very good only murders in the mind-scape.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:10 [JOHN]: Very good synth and the city
01:23:10 --> 01:23:17 [JOHN]: Call me by your username and resistance is funny and everybody loves vision.
01:23:17 --> 01:23:19 [JOHN]: So yeah, they would have a few that we picked out.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:26 [DEREK]: Loads and loads of opportunities and definitely worth pausing to catch a couple of interesting ones.
01:23:26 --> 01:23:30 [JOHN]: Yes, flying through those different episodes.
01:23:31 --> 01:23:34 [DEREK]: And they just get faster and faster as the hundreds of episodes go past great stuff.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:40 [DEREK]: Thanks so much for your feedback, you're going to watch it along with us great to hear from you on this final episode.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:41 [DEREK]: Yeah, thanks, true.
01:23:41 --> 01:23:47 [DEREK]: We also have a little bit of feedback that's sneaked in onto our discord while we were recording Richard Blaise well done.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:51 [DEREK]: He says, flip it, heck, what a way to end to show.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:55 [DEREK]: There were laughs, gas, shocks, or and plenty of tears.
01:23:55 --> 01:23:59 [DEREK]: I feel that this is the most satisfying of the three shows and excelled in its writing and acting.
01:23:59 --> 01:24:02 [DEREK]: I'm so glad I'll try to still around to cause mischief.
01:24:02 --> 01:24:05 [DEREK]: He really embodies an old fashioned true bad guy.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:09 [DEREK]: I can't really put in words how much I have thoroughly enjoyed this from start to end.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:12 [DEREK]: The magic of these shows will be missed.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:19 [DEREK]: But the post credits scene got damaged by Alfie was right about one to he's not going to stop banging all about it.
01:24:19 --> 01:24:20 [DEREK]: Fantastic Richard.
01:24:20 --> 01:24:25 [DEREK]: Did you see the show also brings together Father-in-son's to get one?
01:24:26 --> 01:24:28 [DEREK]: Well not for the ship, exactly.
01:24:29 --> 01:24:30 [JOHN]: Great stuff Richard.
01:24:30 --> 01:24:32 [JOHN]: Thanks so much for getting that feedback in.
01:24:33 --> 01:24:35 [DEREK]: Definitely, I'm glad you enjoyed the magic of this show.
01:24:35 --> 01:24:38 [DEREK]: That's kind of the theme of the three shows, isn't it?
01:24:38 --> 01:24:43 [DEREK]: The magic that's there in the MCU when you get the right writers and right cast together for them.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:44 [DEREK]: Yes, absolutely.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:47 [DEREK]: Brilliant stuff, thank you so much to everybody for your feedback.
01:24:47 --> 01:24:54 [DEREK]: You still have time if you want to share any feedback on the series of visual quests to email us at feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com.
01:24:55 --> 01:24:59 [DEREK]: When we do our wrap-up, we usually just have a quick chat about any other feedback that we've gotten.
01:24:59 --> 01:25:00 [DEREK]: So we'd love to hear from you.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:09 [DEREK]: over there, also use that email address to send in your answers to the vision quest pub quiz to be able to chance to get your hands on those videos for vision quest, goodies.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:10 [JOHN]: Yes, absolutely.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:13 [JOHN]: Get in the fellow quizzes and fellow defenders.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:14 [JOHN]: Yeah.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:20 [DEREK]: And one thing I did put out to our wonderful fellow defenders on the season was if you could just give us a couple of reviews.
01:25:21 --> 01:25:36 [DEREK]: on Apple Podcasts because we were at 99 reviews and we've been at 99 reviews for a baked four or five years and I was delighted to see that both Jersey Girl 007 and Calia gave us five star reviews on the third of November.
01:25:36 --> 01:25:38 [DEREK]: Finally pushing us over that hundred reviews mark.
01:25:38 --> 01:25:40 [DEREK]: Yeah, thank you so much.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:45 [DEREK]: Yeah, Jersey Girl 007 gave us five stars saying great and you need podcast for fun shows.
01:25:45 --> 01:25:48 [DEREK]: I found TV podcast industry during their umbrella Academy coverage.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:50 [DEREK]: and have continued listening to them ever since.
01:25:50 --> 01:25:55 [DEREK]: They're fun and I really enjoyed how they break down the episodes and they're perspective highly recommend.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:57 [JOHN]: Lovely, thank you so much, Jersey girl.
01:25:57 --> 01:26:03 [JOHN]: 007, glad you found us and stayed on after the umbrella academy.
01:26:03 --> 01:26:31 [JOHN]: that's always nice to hear and Kaylia says, love you guys, I wish I could hear you review everything, love all of your input and general hilarious banter, you guys are the best thanks Kaylia thanks so much Kaylia, that's really nice thank you yeah yeah I wish we could review everything as well but this is just too much we have four episodes of the rings the ring's a pair of scissors to be watched
01:26:31 --> 01:26:41 [DEREK]: and reviewed and charged at all the base and we haven't started yet, we've watched one episode and it was fab, but yeah, I think we're going to have a loss to talk about.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:43 [DEREK]: Yes, our couple of this over here, John.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:47 [JOHN]: This, yes, it will, it will, it's, it's our fellowship.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:54 [JOHN]: Of the ring, we'll be marching our way across the mountains, baffling against
01:26:56 --> 01:27:06 [JOHN]: orks, goblins, bellrogues, you name it, and certainly a great thirst after four episodes.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:07 [DEREK]: Definitely, definitely.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:10 [DEREK]: And if you want to hear that, pop on our Twitter or website at tvpodcastindustries.com
01:27:11 --> 01:27:12 [DEREK]: can subscribe to the podcast over there.
01:27:13 --> 01:27:21 [DEREK]: The main podcast feed TV podcast industries has everything that we cover, but we also have a ring of parapodcast feed over there, which you can join.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:27 [DEREK]: We'll be back here next time for the Vision Quest Pubquiz Answers podcast, and that it's time for Doomsday.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:32 [DEREK]: I'm absolutely cannot wait for that.
01:27:33 --> 01:27:41 [DEREK]: I look at the cinema's putting it on at 6 a.m. John on the day it comes out which is now I think the 16th of December because it's coming out a couple of days earlier.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:43 [JOHN]: We have two June stays.
01:27:44 --> 01:27:48 [JOHN]: Doomsday the movie and doomsday when my sister's coming over for Christmas.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:52 [DEREK]: And true, but that's a week later, we have time and between one doomsday.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:53 [DEREK]: I don't mean it, I don't mean it.
01:27:54 --> 01:27:54 [DEREK]: I love your sisters as well.
01:27:54 --> 01:27:57 [DEREK]: Sorry, that's how I was like, I was agreeing with you there.
01:27:57 --> 01:27:58 [DEREK]: Yes, can't wait for that.
01:27:58 --> 01:28:01 [DEREK]: And we're already talking about Christmas, but hey, look at six weeks away.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:02 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:04 [JOHN]: Keep on planning.
01:28:04 --> 01:28:05 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:15 [DEREK]: With that, thank you so much for joining us through Aves, the trilogy of Agatha Allong, and one division and vision guest coming to an end with this wonderful episode.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:17 [DEREK]: It's been great chat with you and chat with you, John.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:18 [DEREK]: Chat with Chris as well.
01:28:18 --> 01:28:19 [DEREK]: Absolutely.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:24 [JOHN]: Thank you so much for all the defenders as always for joining us.
01:28:24 --> 01:28:30 [JOHN]: It is brilliant that you keep coming back and keep wanting to listen to our random thoughts.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:39 [JOHN]: I'm probably more random than you are, but we do have the structure on us.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:39 [JOHN]: We do, John.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:42 [DEREK]: We certainly do.
01:28:42 --> 01:28:45 [JOHN]: But until next time, of course, fellow Defenders, keep watching, keep listening, and of course, keep defending.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:45 [JOHN]: Bye.
01:29:28 --> 01:29:30 [DEREK]: you will be added to the essence of doom.
01:29:31 --> 01:29:34 [DEREK]: Yes, I'm not going to leave that in.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:34 [DEREK]: Sorry.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:35 [DEREK]: That was weird.
01:29:38 --> 01:29:49 [JOHN]: Absolutely off because I love we have the Moral I love the fact that we have the morality
01:29:58 --> 01:30:04 [DEREK]: where we have this family, Ultron, where we have this family, vision, Tommy, Billy.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:11 [JOHN]: I just felt the voice sound is like the red skull from the mirror.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:12 [JOHN]: Right, yeah.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:16 [JOHN]: And it might be, maybe it's not Tony.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:18 [JOHN]: It might not be
01:30:29 --> 01:30:37 [JOHN]: Or is Laverian, or is Laverian, and accent is like off again?
01:30:39 --> 01:30:46 [JOHN]: I absolutely do defend this episode of VisionQuest forever.
01:30:46 --> 01:30:59 [DEREK]: I give it five d-deck, I give it five d-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck-deck
01:31:00 --> 01:31:05 [JOHN]: I would give it five die-dactic duplicates, because I'm what I'm doing with this.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:21 [JOHN]: I would give it five die-dactic duty delights as a five XM followed by the unintentionally potentially funnel followed by the potentially intent
01:31:24 --> 01:31:36 [JOHN]: followed by the potentially unintentional funny moment of Tommy breathing like a 70-year-old and after smoking 200 regal.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:41 [JOHN]: Paolo says on Discord.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:45 [JOHN]: Ah, very satisfying finale to this excellent show.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:49 [JOHN]: Oh, let's undo the look.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:56 [DEREK]: I'm very sorry.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:57 [DEREK]: That's not how that reads.
01:32:04 --> 01:32:14 [JOHN]: No, not that one of the... Palaces are very sad.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:16 [VIRGIL]: It's just like, like, he's just...
01:32:17 --> 01:32:21 [JOHN]: Yes, everyone discord Palaces are very...