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Wonder Man Episode 3 "Pacoima" Details
Executive Producers are Kevin Feige, Stephen Broussard, Jonathan Schwartz, Louis D’Esposito, Brad Winderbaum, Destin Daniel Cretton, Andrew Guest
Directed by James Ponsoldt
Written by Madeline Walter and Paul Welsh
Episode Synopsis:
While Simon Williams is still waiting for an answer for his Wonder Man audition, the Department of Damage Control are concerned their funding will be cut. Their mission is to protect the US from super powered threats but their purpose built prison remains half empty and pressure is coming down from Congress to reduce the DODC’s budget.
Agent Cleary has information on two incidents that might include Simon Williams. An explosion at his home as a child and a porta-potty explosion on the set of The Rookie while Simon was there. In order to connect these, Agent Cleary threatens Trevor Slattery to interrogate Simon’s family and friends at his mum’s birthday party.
At the event Trevor learns a new kitchen has been installed with an island. The very thing Simon's mum has always wanted. But Trevor learns very little about Simon except that he’s always been alone and he’s always been lonely. His family, friends and neighbours don’t understand his acting career and believe he’s lazy and overly dependent on his family.
After everyone leaves the party, Simon’s brother Eric pushes Simon to admit he got fired from American Horror Story and give up on his acting dreams. The stress sends Simon over the edge and his powers explode out of him destroying his mother’s newly treasured kitchen island.
Later Simon apologises to Trevor for his explosive powers that have never been witnessed before by anyone outside of the family, but empathetic to Simon’s loneliness, Trevor chooses to destroy the taped evidence from his wire instead of delivering it to Damage Control.
Meanwhile Simon’s agent, Janelle, calls to inform him that both actors have callbacks for roles in Wonder Man, but Simon is concerned his whole career would be over if anyone finds out about his powers because all Hollywood productions ban powered actors following the case of Demarr “Doorman” Davis.
Wonder Man Episode 3 Cast
- Yahya Abdul-Mateen II as Simon Williams
- Ben Kingsley as Trevor Slattery
- X Mayo as Janelle
- Olivia Thirlby as Vivian
- Arian Moayed as Agent Cleary
- Zlatko Buric as Von Kovak
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Question 3: What famous actor’s billboard picture do Trevor and Simon pass in the car as they travel to Simon's mum’s birthday party in Pacoima?
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Date recorded: 15/01/2026
Date published: 04/02/2026
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00:00 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the Defenders podcast on TV, podcast industry's we're back for the third episode of Marvel's Wonder Man Pekoi Man.
00:08 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you bring the whipped cream?
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll go out.
00:11 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked you to do one thing.
00:13 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Or news with cream when we are, I think, cake.
00:15 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, cake should stand alone.
00:18 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you look familiar?
00:21 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Trevor Slattery, trained at the Royal Academy of dramatic art, did bits and bobs in the West End?
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_00]: weren't you the mandarin?
00:27 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I took a role posing as an international terrorist to pay my drug and prostitution deaths.
00:58 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back fellow defenders to TV podcast industries, we're talking about the third episode of Marvel's Wonder Man Piccoyama, I'm one of your host Derek.
01:07 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello there fellow defenders, I am one of your other host John, welcome to the defenders podcast on TV podcast industries, we're on to episode three of Wonder Man and this time we have
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_04]: A title.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Just point in there.
01:22 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I believe they call it the Cleveland with palm trees.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they do, I think they do.
01:28 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, Pacoima or Cleveland at all.
01:30 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what that makes sense.
01:33 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Much like Trevor Slattery, who's like, can I go to Pacoama?
01:36 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I've never been to Cleveland either.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm very similar.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:40 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been to Cleveland, but I do know Cleveland from a NFL point of view.
01:46 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Because the Cleveland Browns, of course, in the AFC North, um, it hosts my favorite team, the Baltimore Ravens.
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_04]: How did they do this season?
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_04]: They're not very well.
01:55 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't go.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't get into the playoffs, no.
01:57 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm whether they deserve to, I don't know, their quarterback was out for a large amount of time, so and I think with an injury.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So,
02:08 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess there was a bit of flux that in the camp and they almost made it, but whether they deserve to over the course of the season with the kind of win-a-loss kind of ratio who knows probably not, probably get strong up.
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_03]: for that.
02:24 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, my record-breaking Carolina Panthers got into playoffs with them.
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: What was the highest number of points against?
02:32 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And the lowest number of wins for any playoff team in history as far as an excellent.
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, record-breakers.
02:42 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.
02:43 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_03]: We did play one game in the playoffs.
02:45 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice to see it.
02:46 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a decade since Carolina Panthers were in the playoff, so hopefully it was too
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it looked like they were going to get absolutely smashed.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and then they really pulled it back.
02:57 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was nice and competitive for a neutral show we said.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, yes.
03:02 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_03]: You better be wishing for the Carolina Panthers to win the Super Bowl at some point, John.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, of course, especially if the Ravens don't get in.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not here to talk about NFL.
03:12 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Clearly not, no, we're here as well as coming up a couple of weeks time.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably why we're so, uh, I guess I'll send you a picture.
03:17 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And we have been watching quite a number of the playoff games.
03:21 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but equally, yes, we're not here to talk about the NFL.
03:24 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So apologies, fellow defenders.
03:25 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_04]: We are here to talk about Marvel's Wonder Man and how wonderful it is.
03:30 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, how I wonder what's going to happen in each and every episode.
03:34 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely wonderful.
03:35 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
03:36 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I must say the other thing, um, some of our listeners may be wondering about is where is Wonder Band Chris?
03:41 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yes, that is slightly our fault.
03:44 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_04]: We have to record early this week because of some of the commitments that we can't get out of.
03:51 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So our normal slot that we have riveted in with Christoph has unfortunately not been possible.
04:01 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're really sorry, Chris, that we really wanted to talk about the episode on the next episode as well.
04:07 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But he will be back for episode five and episode six and the final two episodes, hopefully.
04:11 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We're hoping that we'll be able to make the day work for us the next couple of weeks.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think so.
04:17 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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04:41 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Slash Groups slash TV podcast industries where there's spoiler post up there for each of the 8th episodes that were released on the 27th of January.
04:49 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You could put your spoiler filth thoughts in there and we'll discuss them on the podcast.
04:53 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
04:55 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Let us get into our spoiler filth discussion of episode 3 of Wonderman.
05:00 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_04]: But Koima, Derek, what are some of the episode details?
05:03 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, executive producers of the show are Kevin Feige Steven Bersard, Jonathan Schwartz, Louis D'Suppesito,
05:09 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Dustin Daniel Cretten, and of course Andrew Gesst, one of Hans' first appearance was the end of Andrew's issue number 8 by Don Heck and Jack Kirby, and the show was created for television by Dustin Daniel Cretten and Andrew Gesst.
05:20 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: This episode was directed by James Ponsult, and he's been an active director, particularly in TV for over 10 years, and most recently directed six episodes of Jason Seagull and Harrison Ford's critically acclaimed show shrinking over on Apple.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.
05:33 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
05:33 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually don't know anything about that.
05:36 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's because an Apple TV show and we never seem to see Apple TV shows John put by very reveal that as our recently was that apparently in this show we can really see Harrison Ford enjoying himself for the first time in about 15 or 20 years and that he's really good at acting in this rather than usually where he's just delivering lines and sci-fi shows and fantasy movies the way that people want them to be delivered.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I love Harrison Ford.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely
05:59 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_03]: his dead pound delivery is fantastic what would be in Blade Runner, Star Wars, or in Indiana Jones, but it is the same or of course in the Brave New World which came at last year as well.
06:10 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean for his age he's absolutely phenomenal in what he can do, but you know, Darius A, whether he needs to be resurrected for Indiana Jones and Han Solo all the time,
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Do feel for him in that regard.
06:25 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know, let's you know he's doing it for the page I get this stage and that's absolutely fine Again, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, that's great.
06:32 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I I guess it's shrinking is so sort of Apple that I
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I did missed it.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, but there's Apple TV.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm never.
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm never going to Don't do Apple.
06:44 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
06:45 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We only really subscribe for the first time for pro-revesting.
06:47 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is true That is true.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_04]: The lot that we missed out there.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I probably could do it for foundations.
06:51 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but yes, I agree Lots that we've missed on the and apparently really really good stuff.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you wrote the episode, Jeremy
06:59 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the episode was written by Madeline Walter and Paul Welch, they have previously worked together on nine episodes of Brooklyn Nine, nine together.
07:06 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that it's nine episodes as well.
07:08 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_03]: They both also actually on that show and have experienced lots of comedy shows for over ten years at Madeline Peerton Weeds, early in her career.
07:15 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Paul worked on shows like my crazy ex-girlfriend, Alan Key and Peel as well.
07:18 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, comedy actors, comedy writers, I love that they're coming at this and telling their stories as comedy writers and comedy actors coming up.
07:27 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it is that thing of, you know, the tragedy in comedy, and there's a lot of tragedy here.
07:34 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_04]: To me, you know, like kind of existential to the relationship as it is now, and that will, you know, it's just, it's so good, it's just flashing a massive light, you know, like theatre lights on the outside, you know, tragedy here we call it, it's a whole situation on the outside, and yes, it is so kind of,
07:56 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Intimately funny with certainly the lines that Trevor Slaster easily, I mean, again, it's just a smorkers board for us to pick and quotes that go at the start, you know, coupled to the
08:13 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_04]: the comedy dead panning in a sense of Simon Williams.
08:18 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_04]: It just makes it really, really good.
08:22 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think, absolutely.
08:23 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and it really comes through that this has that kind of flavor to it, I think, for me.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, really good stuff.
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, John.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to tell us what the game is with you?
08:34 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's an opposite for Marvel's Wonder Man episode three.
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Pacoima.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
08:39 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_04]: While Simon Williams is still waiting for an answer for his one-demand audition, the Department of Damage Control, aka DODC, are concerned their funding will be cut.
08:50 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Their mission is to protect the US from super-powered threats, but that purpose-built prison remains half empty, and pressure is coming down from Congress to reduce the DODC's budget.
09:00 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Agent Cleary has information on two incidents that might include Simon Williams, an explosion at his home as a child and a port of potty explosion on the set of the rookie while Simon was there.
09:13 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_04]: In order to connect these, Agent Cleary threatens Trevor Slashery to interrogate Simon's family and friends at his mom's birthday party.
09:21 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_04]: at the event, Trevor learns a new kitchen has been installed with an island.
09:26 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_04]: The very thing Simon's mom has always wanted.
09:30 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But Trevor learns very little about Simon, except that he's always been alone, and he's always been lonely.
09:37 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_04]: His family, friends, and neighbors don't quite understand his acting career, and believe he's lazy and overly dependent on his family.
09:46 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_04]: After everyone leaves the party, Simon's brother Eric pushes Simon to admit he got fired from American Horror Story, and prompts him to give up on his acting dreams.
09:57 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_04]: The stress and Simon over the edge, and his powers explode out of him to destroy his mother's newly treasured kitchen island.
10:05 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Later, Simon apologizes to Trevor for his explosive powers that have never been witnessed before by anyone outside of the family.
10:13 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But empathetic to Simon's loneliness, Trevor chooses to destroy the taped evidence from his wire instead of delivering it to damage control and to agent Cleary.
10:24 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, Simon's agent Janell calls to inform that both actors have callbacks for roles in Wonderman.
10:31 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_04]: But Simon is concerned his whole career would be over if anyone finds out about his powers, because all Hollywood production's band-powered actors following the case of Demar Duman Davis.
10:44 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Another really interesting sitcom set up for this episode, or we have Simon and Trevor going to move to Simon's family.
10:52 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Always a good set up for a half hour sitcom.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is no exception.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_04]: But this episode is definitely definitely definitely.
10:59 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think this pairs really well with episode two, which we now know is called self-tape.
11:05 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I just think it's it's again really very personally played by by Yaha Abdul Martín and Ben Kingsley and it's kind of more in the space of the personal, you know, as we get to see about Simon's family, family life, his childhood was the other one is about the professional.
11:25 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_04]: relationship that they have.
11:27 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And this seems to be more, oh, it seems to get more towards where Trevor sees the personal relationship that maybe they have by his forced involvement in Simon's mother's birthday party, which I do like the fact that literally most people are kind of going, why are you here?
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, absolutely absolutely, absolutely.
11:49 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so that I found it really, really well-placed and it felt absolutely natural coming off episode two that they would explore this element after seeing that empathy in a professional setting.
12:04 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
12:06 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, well, let's get into our top three takes, John.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
12:10 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Go on, set, take one action.
12:15 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I think it's damage control need a win.
12:18 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: We kind of get to see behind the curtains of the DODC.
12:23 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, here, the Department of Damage Control.
12:27 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And understand maybe the pressures that they have that are certainly sort of forcing Agent Cleary to be quite so
12:37 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: heavy-handed and persistent with Trevor Slastery here.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
12:42 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And basically the head of damage control is kind of under pressure.
12:48 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's Congress looking at budget cuts effectively.
12:51 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, they have that congressional budget office, I think, up there as he describes.
12:59 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And they also have then this new facility, which is effectively half empty, so it's just leaking much.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_04]: wasting money.
13:08 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that new facility is the raft.
13:10 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So just just to say the raft has been present for many many years in the MCU.
13:16 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: We've had it quite significantly in Captain America Civil War where half of CAPS team got put into the raft.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_03]: They all got freed since then, so that's that's freed up lots of spaces.
13:28 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But I wanted to mention they say it's half full.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_03]: We know there's a couple of people in there.
13:32 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_03]: We have President Ross and the leader from from Captain America,
13:36 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Trish Walker from Jessica Tones isn't there and we have diamond back from the place in the area But I think that's it.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It's only four people in there at the moment.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody else is out Well, that's true.
13:46 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_04]: We also know that it will use as a ship and and a floating city in Marvel's zombies.
13:53 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It was it was yes Marvel's zombies of course.
13:55 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and yeah, so like it certainly has multiple functions All of them just a prison
14:01 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And, and of course, Baron Zimo was in there and got freed during Falcons, which sold to the TV show, and then he got loose at the end of that, he didn't go back to the raft, as far as I remember anyway, but it's a really interesting thing that damage control are now responsible for filling up the raft, because it's such an expensive place that they've built to house super villains, and there isn't enough super villains in the MCU to put into it effectively.
14:27 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I love this speech that the leader of damage should throw the saying because it's the kind of speech that you get from people who are disconnected from all of their workers He's saying, you know, we have the budget.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_03]: We have the location the raft isn't it's only half full.
14:41 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We have the men and women as he points at the only woman in the room Instantly just throws her eyes to have and if this guy thinks she's only been hired because she's a woman, you know It's just love that little reaction from her and but yes, this is piling on the pressure on
14:56 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Agent Cleary to find out what's happening with Simon to get somebody and arrest them and put them into the raft.
15:04 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So interestingly, there's a couple of these evidence here that they have.
15:07 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I love this.
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the evidence.
15:11 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But in a sense, it's all a bit circumstantial.
15:13 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not hard enough for Agent Cleary.
15:17 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I love the fact that we see that after Trevor has downloaded
15:25 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Simon's laptop onto the ring that we do see lots of self-tape.
15:31 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
15:31 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Clearly, Asian clear is getting very weary of.
15:35 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And I really, I think the one we see is Simon doing a musical number and to self-tape rap.
15:45 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, rap.
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
15:46 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, musical number.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But it just means it's not very musical.
15:50 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a Chris rap.
15:52 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I mean.
15:53 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, it's a little awkward and it just love it because yeah, I've told my team, you know, had to do that.
16:01 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Even though it's only really briefly in the scenes.
16:05 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I like the fact that this evidence, the download from this laptop really hasn't provided anything other than confirmation that is a struggling actor that's done an awful lot of self tapes.
16:16 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, he hasn't booked a major role and we find it in this episode or a last episode that he's been in LA for eight years pursuing his dreams.
16:24 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So he has done tons and yeah, you're right.
16:27 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_03]: That that moment of realization that you have that you're able to maintain the aspect of recorded all of these, changed into all of those costumes just to have those screenshots of him.
16:37 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He must have been working for months just to get this stuff out for weeks.
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say, just to get all of this stuff as background.
16:43 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's hilarious.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just,
16:45 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Asian Cleary Garden or there is absolutely nothing useful in this guy's laptop Basically yeah, but there are two pieces of say so substantial one that links to his child's hood accident This fire kitchen fire and his the family home
17:03 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And actually right up front of this, we see the young Simon at the first thing years old being checked after the fire at the house with the doctor basically saying, Well, he's showing no signs of harm or long damage and like he's fine.
17:19 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you sure you was caught in the fire?
17:21 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And so there is this.
17:23 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_04]: piece of evidence around the kitchen fire, that Asian clearing has what that evidence other than that the kitchen fire happened?
17:32 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I don't know.
17:33 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's it and that's the problem.
17:34 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: What he's trying to find is something that's not circumstantially trying to find a really big thing that he can pin on Simon because he feels
17:42 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_03]: from the records that this kid should have had some kind of damage, the record was obviously made available to Department of Diamonds Control as a potential superhuman, I guess, but they need to find something else that can happen to it.
17:58 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the second one is that there was an explosion in a portion of party on the set of the rookie and when
18:04 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Potentially since Simon was there, maybe that connects those two incidences, but he does need something else in somebody to confirm that it was Simon's powers that Simon does have powers.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not exploitative, I mean, I'm exploitative.
18:17 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Or you see it a build-up of gas in the porta-potting.
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Big nice is.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, somehow.
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But I wanted to mention just a little Easter I get here.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Nathan Philly and we'd mentioned their Chris had mentioned.
18:28 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It was on a poster in the Guardians Galaxy as Simon Williams.
18:32 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It was on a cutscene in Guardians of the Galaxy.
18:36 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Nathan Phillian stars in the TV show The Rookie and has been starring in that for eight years.
18:41 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's interesting that that happened to be the show that Simon Williams here is supposed to have been acting on when this explosion happened.
18:48 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So is that a connecting easter egg for Nathan Phillian in the MCU?
18:51 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that why they've chose that specific show?
18:54 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't just kind of like it.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
18:57 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the other Easter egg, and maybe again, this is might be a stretch of an Easter egg in the interview with the doctor when they're asking, where was Simon when it exploded?
19:06 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the way his mom says he was in the room where it happened.
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically, that is a quote from probably the most famous song from Hamilton.
19:13 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So I just think it's interesting that she said the line that way that he was in the room where it started with the room where it happened.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's a Hamilton quote, or the guys were listening to Hamilton's soundtrack.
19:22 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just went straight through the way into the script.
19:25 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_04]: picked up on that immediately.
19:27 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't.
19:27 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the way she delivered us, I think.
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, excellent.
19:30 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_04]: But like I think, ultimately, they don't really have much.
19:34 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little thread birth or the Department of Damage Control and Agent Cleary.
19:40 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they need more evidence.
19:44 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_04]: They need something, can I?
19:45 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they basically are forcing Trevor to go to Simon's mother's
19:54 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And quite specifically, the reason why they're sending him to the family occasion is because of the incident when he was a child.
20:00 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_03]: They're hoping that someone in the family, someone in the extended family, one of the neighbors might remember the specific instance.
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And if Trevor can get on tape what they all believe happened or what somebody believed happened, then maybe this will give them the evidence connecting.
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed, Simon Levinson.
20:13 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the other interesting thing, I mean, it kind of connects laser and it'll end to our third point.
20:19 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, what we're left here for Agent Carrier is that, you know, he says, quite clearly, Trevor, we need something from you.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, we need something...
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_04]: we can use or we are done.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I, your back in prison.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
20:35 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And that, you know, it means that the actions of Trevor later on become significant in terms of the choices that he makes.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll get on to that later.
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So this set up's quite nice.
20:49 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think equally then we can go into our second moment.
20:54 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's do that.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Take two, action.
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Simon's mom's birthday pass.
21:01 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
21:01 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like also the fact here, I don't know why, but that Simon calls his mom mommy.
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't always hear that.
21:11 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, you don't.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And adult saying mommy.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's more mom.
21:15 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it seems to be there's a lot of,
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Irish girls that would call their mom Mummy for their whole life.
21:21 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I was interested in the spelling of Simon's version of Mummy to his mom, it says M-U-M-M-I.
21:29 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So it feels like something's very native to them.
21:32 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So but you're right, you don't get to hear many people call them calling their adult parent Mummy.
21:37 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a sign that it became very noticeable at sort of at the party, but I think you know where we probably should start with this point is that kind of leading We have Trevor trying to insert himself into the invitation.
21:50 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I had to go to The birthday pass
21:54 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_03]: the two of them hanging out in Simon's apartment and Simon just will not stop calling and texting it in hell.
22:02 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I love Janelle's reaction to Simon continually asking as to whether he's got the role in Wonderman.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, look,
22:10 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't stop calling me, I will never tell you even if you do get off the phone.
22:15 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So suddenly, Simon's kind of sitting around with absolutely nothing to do, Trevor by his sides, and they start having this conversation about what would you do if he doesn't get the role of them?
22:24 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, which I was just really like when they started relaying
22:30 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_03]: passages of some of their favorite plays and books and movies to each other.
22:36 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's interesting because it kind of picks up from the last episode and this is where I like it.
22:42 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like it's where it goes from the professional into the personal, but in terms of the relationship between these two people.
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
22:50 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I would almost say, by the end of it, even though we know everything going on with damage control, and there's a friendship there.
22:57 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and it certainly Trevor is forming with Simon.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_04]: The Simon can connect that, I don't know.
23:05 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I think so.
23:05 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's kind of the purpose of this episode, as a whole, is showing that these two are kind of spirits.
23:11 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to
23:12 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_03]: bring it back to us or anything but you know the three of us set up a podcast to talk about movies because all of us talk about movies and TV shows the same way so we found our own kids with spirits in our group and our wonderful listeners who listen along with us and join us and send their feedback you know we all have that
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: connection between us that we're talking about TV show is the way we do.
23:33 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what's happening here with Simon and Trevor, the two of them have found the love of movies, the love of performance in each other.
23:41 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Simon saying, if I don't get that role, I'm going to go and do something on my own.
23:45 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to use this and Trevor saying that's gift you need to use it.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter where there anybody else.
23:50 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_03]: chooses you for this, you need to use it and he's saying, well, yes, I need to do a play, maybe I should go it and do a play.
23:56 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly, but he's like as well.
23:58 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I mean, first of all, Trevor's trying to get him to relax, but he's like, your role is not to get jobs.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: It's an actor.
24:04 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And it kind of stimulates Simon say, well, you know, I need to stop looking for permission, like going through these auditions and maybe it's a question of doing a short film
24:19 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, there's notion of doing theatre, which is the purest form of acting for the Trevor.
24:27 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just like the fact that they, as you say, they regal each other with lines and passages from different plays that sort of, you know, in a sense connecting with this scene.
24:39 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like the fact that we go from a play as Trevor has said, and being the purest form of acting.
24:45 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, because it's Ben Kingsley, it's Shakespeare.
24:48 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So he quotes King Lea at three.
24:51 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_04]: But it moves into then in a sense.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, well, this is how I took it.
24:58 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It was almost Simon Williams and coming back saying.
25:04 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_04]: you know it's based on a book it's it's John Steinbeck scrapes of rat and the two brothers but the sort of modern american literature and just the quality behind some you know the great sort of certainly earlier 20th century for me and american literature but equally sort of with and the
25:26 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_04]: the new foe kind of wave in the 60s as well, you know, just really interesting stuff.
25:33 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And then ultimately, then it comes back to a movie, which is Amadeus, which is about Mozart.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like, going, because that was listening to that going.
25:42 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a really nice piece of writing about the clarinet and the music and so on.
25:47 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was like, you know, searched and I was like,
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's Amadeus.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, I wouldn't watch that move.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I have seen the movie.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not one that would necessarily go back to it.
25:57 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I know it's just kind of being retold.
26:00 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a new, there's a new movie series that's just been released.
26:03 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, yeah, but the AC's movie Amadeus.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_03]: It was one of those movies that was, that was...
26:10 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_03]: that is remembered as being a shocking take on the character of Mozart, but I'm not too sure whether it stands the test the time.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But you're right, there is a little bit in that.
26:21 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, these two actors sitting in a room talking to each other, and it does tend to be
26:25 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_03]: a well-known older actor will always quote Shakespeare and go Shakespeare as the greatest writer ever.
26:31 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_03]: A young actor will go, well actually, you know, yes, Shakespeare did rise amazing plays and amazing stories hundreds of years ago, but don't discount somebody newer.
26:39 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_03]: There are newer people that can write better than that.
26:42 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love that it comes further and further, closer and closer to, to, to, to, to re-sensy.
26:46 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It starts at with Hamlet Go's grips your earth and then in Tamedias in the 80s.
26:50 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So I wonder if they sat there for a few more
26:54 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll absolutely start calling more returns, I mean.
26:57 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_04]: But through this Simon has to go to his mother's birthday out in Perchoymer and Trevor basically asks if you can go to tag along and Simon's kind of up for this because he will effectively be Simon's buffer in this notion that
27:16 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: all those awkward questions that he might have to do a full-on lie or a white lie to his family, his friends, his brother in particular, as well as his mom.
27:29 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And we have it straight up front when and they're asking about his role on American Horror Story.
27:37 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where Trevor will be this
27:42 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_04]: all this inquisitive questioning from various people at the party, and yeah we also then with the whole intro introduction we get to meet Simon's mother, Simon's brother, Eric as well, it just may be laughed at another
28:04 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_03]: matriarch of a superhero is called Martha after the after the Bruce Wayne and black Kent thing in Batman V Superman.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes comic comic accurate here.
28:14 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Martha is at the name of Simon's mother, but I do wonder was that the only name of any mother is when they were writing them in comic books, you know.
28:22 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Eric here as well, Eric is in the comic books is a character called Green Reaper and the comic books he is also
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Just really annoyed at Simon.
28:37 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon is seen as the lazy one.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_03]: He's seen as the one that hasn't got a traditional job.
28:42 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Eric's the one that's just gone into business.
28:44 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the one that pays for everything.
28:46 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_03]: He seems to be very successful in the type of business that he's in, but he hasn't no understanding of what it is.
28:50 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: That's...
28:52 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon's done with the career.
28:53 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I love as we go around the party.
28:55 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about every single moment.
28:57 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure, but there are so many moments that just make me laugh about all the people, the neighbors and cousins and friends.
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You just have no IT.
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_03]: What Simon's job is.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So for 10 years.
29:07 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_03]: what you've done is you've trained to act and then you've done, you know, maybe one audition a week is that because it's a job.
29:16 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so fun.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_04]: It's his conscience.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's causing that.
29:20 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's kind of telling me about this acting creating.
29:22 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_04]: He's talking about how he's had three auditions in an acting class in last week.
29:27 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just kind of like, is that a lot?
29:30 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, and then they start talking to one another in, um, create all friends.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of like, he's so lazy.
29:39 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Look at his clothes and you just have Simon looking at them going, I can understand that.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that?
29:47 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And at the same time you have Trevor trying to scope out these different stories and his linemen and he's not really getting very far.
29:54 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean he insults one of the guests where she again just fight as he walks away fires back some Creole French dream boy.
30:04 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_04]: The only thing I recognized from it was the swirwit.
30:06 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, absolutely.
30:07 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in this put it was just like really, really good.
30:10 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's kind of like
30:12 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor's not buffering good enough for Simon because I think at one point he says it's supposed to be my buffering Yeah, you're supposed to be blocking me from these kind of covers But it's like his friend who Trevor is trying to extract information from who's like And yes, I was I was in this carpool every morning for school for years and can tell me what you're about him.
30:32 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_03]: He's quiet Is that all you have just he's quiet?
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he doesn't say much.
30:38 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, what we do find through all of these interactions and they start at really funny But they end off quite sad as we go through these conversations we realize the picture of Simon is that nobody's been close to Simon ever in his life
30:51 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We laughed at that kind of moment in episode two when Trevor asked Simon, you know, is there one of your friends I think that we can go over to and Simon says I have no friends here You know, he's just broken up with relationship, but he also has no friends in LA and here we find that he also has no friends at home in his hometown It's only as mom and his brother who is massively antagonistic to Simon So Eric is absolutely I mean
31:17 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_04]: his mom loves him to bitch you don't you can tell that I mean it is interesting um yeah that you have this really awkward conversation between Eric and Simon Eric's gotten a promotion you know Martha's thrilled about that there's potential for him to offer a job to Simon if you won't
31:40 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_04]: absolutely from these two understand that they both exude this tension between each other for various different reasons and yeah you realize then even his brother he has no sort of connection with but equally with Simon's mom you know he does and I must say that one of the most touching
32:07 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was awful that she was doing her dishes on her birthday, was that her and Trevor, Trevor comes and helps her out.
32:17 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And she just says, like, I'm glad that he's here, as he doesn't really have any friends, he states it plainly to Trevor.
32:29 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know,
32:31 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_04]: he was alone, but he said to me, thank you for loving me.
32:34 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_04]: That's when he realized, you know, whether he felt alone or was alone, even if he didn't know it, that's what he was.
32:42 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and you have Trevor then sees how Simon is different.
32:48 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a really nice moment where Trevor's kind of apart from the main party.
32:52 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's kind of like a group photo and and everybody's laughing,
32:59 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a really good time, but you have, you know, Simon awkward alone in a crowd in a sense and it's just
33:11 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_04]: This all comes through, I think, really, really quite powerfully and really touch it in a touching way.
33:19 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's in that moment you see with Trevor and possibly that empathetic connection of his own past.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we don't know.
33:28 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_04]: He's very fond of his mother.
33:29 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_04]: We know that from episode two.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
33:33 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But again, we don't know much else about Trevor.
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_04]: He equally is always trying to get out of those situations.
33:41 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And like we saw in Shon Chi, whether it's pretending to be dead or trying to get out of prison.
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's right for now.
33:48 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So...
33:50 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe there's elements here, not entirely the same, but, you know, I think that connection and it's captured really well.
33:58 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I do.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
33:59 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely.
33:59 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is Kindred spirits.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is what's coming to the fore here.
34:03 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's it's almost coming from Martha.
34:06 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_03]: She's saying thank you to Trevor for being his friends.
34:09 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_03]: She can see the connection between the two of them.
34:11 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_03]: because he's never done this before, even just a simple act of bringing Trevor home to her house for the birthday party, well he's never brought a friend home at all in the past.
34:19 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's all she needs to know that he's found some friend in his life, somebody else because I like that he's brought us, you know, just questions, why you here and you're just going to like, well I think the fish curry's having an effect on the battles have got to go.
34:39 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_04]: just I think really good but like with everyone gone then we kind of have almost just some some of the the presence being given and to his mom and I'm more looking at the ice cream maker that Simon has given her and and again you just have Eric doing a really bad move with you know because you should be thanking me it's like
35:01 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_03]: This looks expensive, that's obviously not from you, Simon.
35:04 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's just like, oh my goodness.
35:07 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's more and more so happy about this.
35:10 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, really, it's, you know, you've got a little space here where you can put your cookie chunks, chocolate chips and whatever, and, and, you know, she's really enjoying it.
35:20 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_04]: But it also really then gets really heated because that one comment from Eric.
35:25 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It gives out to him and you have Simon then just, you know, again, becoming agitated stressed.
35:34 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I love the fact that you see the buildup of this explosion, you see the eyes again, I just think that it's a cool touch, but I love just seeing, I mean, I think we saw it before in the apartment, because that rippling of the scene and you see the, um,
35:51 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_04]: The island that his mother talks about so fondly beforehand on Trevor's arrival just being destroyed by this wave of explosive stress from Simon.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
36:08 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I must say I loved that moment when Trevor arrived.
36:11 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_03]: She was like, you must see the kitchen.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_03]: See the improvement and Simon's going.
36:15 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_03]: He's never been here before.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he'll know.
36:17 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_03]: He'll know the difference.
36:19 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And no way how much has changed even if he hasn't seen the kitchen before.
36:22 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And but yeah, it's it's really sad that what happens to Simon here is that he destroys the thing that his mom is so happy about on her birthday.
36:31 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So what will be seen from the
36:36 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Eric consistently antagonized him throughout his time there every moment every opportunity had to put Dan Simon to put Dan his choices to put Dan his career and what he's doing he took you know when he asked him about the role that he went for you know Trevor's trying to big him up saying you know he went for a role in a massive movie last week and Simon saying I'm waiting on a callback and when Simon tries to explain what a callback is to Eric Eric goes
37:05 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_03]: The second round interview for a job you may not get that means nothing and it's in Eric's world It means absolutely nothing, but when you're working after and when you're trying to get a role These are the big the big moments these are the big things that happen in your past years where you might guess as they say So so it is a based Eric's antagonization of Simon and Trevor absolutely can see that
37:31 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: and they have to leave.
37:32 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't get to see the aftermath of it, but we don't get to see the reaction from from Eric and we don't get to the reaction from Martha.
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_03]: We see them leave.
37:41 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, you hear him say, what the hell is wrong with you?
37:44 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Simon, and you have his mother sobbing, but yes, there's nothing more.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And they high tailed it out to that thing.
37:51 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we just hear one little thing from Simon afterwards, where he says to Trevor, nobody else outside of the family has ever seen we do that, which is quite significant as well, right?
38:01 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So the family have seen him do that before, which is important.
38:05 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I suppose for, for a later, let's move on to our final point.
38:12 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Take three, action.
38:14 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_04]: the drive home.
38:17 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_04]: The journey home here is really interesting because again it's a little bit awkward and because as you say, Simon stops the car and basically is saying no one before has seen this.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's all really at a very low point.
38:33 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But you have Trevor looking to try and come for
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_04]: just need a break.
38:46 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's had a really low point.
38:51 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But again, you know, Trevor's empathy here, and he talks about a bite with me how it's got him through his own tough times, and despite what Simon effectively fesses up to him, and he says, you don't owe me an explanation as to what happened
39:13 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, they're effectively getting ready to go back home.
39:16 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And you have this choice from Trevor.
39:20 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And as he says, I just need to go to the Lou.
39:23 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And this beautiful vantage point.
39:27 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, as he goes, he takes out the wire.
39:31 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_04]: There's been given by Agent Cleary.
39:34 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_04]: and pulls out the chip and snaps it in half and makes the choice that, you know, the stuff he's recorded today and he's not going to share with damage control.
39:44 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
39:45 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And in that moment of, I guess, a low point for Simon, there's two points of, you know, joy, one is the one he knows about because he gets the
40:02 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_04]: he gets the call from Janelle the text message to say that he's gotten a call back for the Wonderman along with Trevor and that actually in this moment Trevor has protectors in as a friend exactly exactly like it's a massive moment between the two of them and again that connection sealed between the two of them and I love the idea that both of them gonna call back for Wonderman's one.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a cool.
40:27 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So nice close out to the episode, even though it's quite sad here in the story of Simon and from the perspective of his friend's neighbors and family who all don't know anything about him, which makes it difficult to watch in place, so I think.
40:40 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:40 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, definitely.
40:41 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:43 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the whole conversation between Trevor and Simon's warm about loneliness is really touching.
40:50 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Fab, but really touching.
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
40:53 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Any other notes, anything else that we haven't talked to out from the episode, John, that you want to mention in here?
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_04]: No notes for me.
41:00 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, there's so many great lines in the episode.
41:06 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I do love when Trevor is discovered snooping around Simon's house and says he's just in the room and getting his his uptake from his doctor and says, there's a class trial slow so he's able to go and join himself for that worrying.
41:18 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You think which is just because there is a lovely idea that some would find out that they're a class trial from the doctor to see if they could go with a nice cream or cake.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is very funny.
41:27 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good, but overall done, do you defend the third episode of Marvel's Wonder Man per Koima?
41:33 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I really do.
41:34 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I would give this five exploding kitchen islands out of five and actually I would almost be
41:43 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_04]: of a mind to up my episode two right review.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they just work really well together.
41:50 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this felt absolutely in sequence with what we saw in episode two.
41:56 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah and I just loved the personal and touching sort of interactions between Trevor and Simon but also between Trevor and
42:09 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_04]: speaking with his own mother or having a conversation, not just about him, but just it felt very natural.
42:16 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I love, we get Trevor making a choice to sort of defy Agent Cleary.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It's nothing the chip.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_04]: The callback.
42:27 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, I think here we get this real personal portrayal of a
42:38 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_04]: even if he didn't know it, but in fact he did, and that's what's kept him back.
42:44 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why that that family photo is so telling Trevor that he can't relax with even his own family.
42:53 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but he seems to be relaxed around Trevor.
42:56 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, exactly somewhere.
42:57 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So really, really great episode for me.
43:01 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I would give this five exposing kitchen islands out of five.
43:05 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
43:05 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
43:06 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_04]: What about yourself?
43:09 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you defend this third episode of Marvel's Wonder Man?
43:13 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really, really enjoying the show and it is just because of those two characters Simon and Trevor together, I think they work so well, but the surrounding cast in this episode,
43:29 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_03]: maybe not crescendo we're building up to the realization that actually nobody knows Simon actually Trevor's probably Simon's best friend of all time because he's actually sat down listened to him and engaged with him which nobody else seems to want to do is so well played by everybody else around him.
43:48 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it works really well and what a great way to introduce that idea of Simon by having
43:54 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor, interview all of these people and nobody have any information for him at all.
43:58 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was funny at a time that was really touching at times.
44:03 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I was really sad at the end when the kitchen exploded because I knew it was going to happen because of how Eric was pushing and all I could think of because of the performance of the actresses playing Martha all I could think of was a poor woman's lost the kitchen I only had to wait until the 70s for it like she says her kitchen was so old before this happened and now it's been destroyed by her son you know so I'm really intrigued as well by that idea that they have seen Simon
44:28 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_03]: explode in this way in the past as well.
44:31 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Martha is trying to calm her down so that he doesn't do this so this explosion doesn't happen so they've seen this happen possibly multiple times not just that one incident that's in the flashback at the beginning there's may have been a number of other times that this happened in the past.
44:47 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm intrigued to that.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how that's gonna play out.
44:49 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be seeing more of that as the season goes on absolutely But overall really enjoyed the episode and I think we deserve to go to the pub for a pint and maybe a quiz John?
44:57 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
44:58 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes fellow defenders fellow quizzes welcome to the one demand pub quiz question three Question is what famous American actors billboard picture does Trevett and Simon pass in the car as they travel to Simon's mom's birthday party in Pacoima
45:17 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It might be a bit of a blink in your missus painting or poster on the wall, but it's as they're going into the climate, right?
45:24 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, do you want to get the question one more time?
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I will do.
45:27 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_04]: What famous American actors billboard picture does Trevor and Simon pass in the car as they travel?
45:33 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Just Simon's Mum's birthday party in Pacoina.
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic, that's the third question.
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45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's the second one.
45:48 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
46:23 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So we did get some feedback in after recorded our podcast on episode 3 and Chris is going to join us for a little bit of that feedback just to make things extra confusing and once that's finished I'll return with the last pieces of feedback we want to share as much of your feedback as possible as you've been kind enough to send it into us over here at TV podcast industries.
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So
46:42 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_03]: At first up, we got an email and can cough your vodka, who says greetings fellow family event defenders.
46:47 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It's looking like Marvel television's listening to their own feedback.
46:50 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_03]: A TV show produced like a TV show rather than a movie cut into segments, and it's working well.
46:55 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_03]: The bond between Simon and Trevor revealed troubled family history and shared if engineered mutual success, all built into something more than just a superhero origin story.
47:04 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Only three episodes in, and I'm already sorry this is just a Marvel spotlight.
47:07 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's to hoping it gets enough traction to become something longer lasting.
47:11 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_03]: In short, one of the strongest, small screen MCU entries in quite a while on Tap Set 4, five erupting islands, despicable departments, and fast friendships at a five piece of take care of coffee and vodka?
47:23 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks coffee and vodka.
47:24 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting one.
47:27 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see
47:28 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: based on how everyone is kind of responding to the first couple of episodes and just responding those who have pinched it are responding as well.
47:38 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a possibility, yeah, like as Derek said last episode that there has been some discussions hints that maybe might they know where potentially to go for
47:55 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: popular as we believe it to be right now, that they could convert it from a spot like to something else into a just standard series, but it's it's hard to tell, yeah it's Marvel.
48:08 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We won't know for quite a while if they even do consider that or if there's talks for it or anything like that until they kind of green light as I suppose.
48:17 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's just some interesting snippets that are coming in.
48:19 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to dive deep in them.
48:21 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to get spoiled on the rest of the series, so I'm not diving too deep into some of the comments, but I did hear one today that they were as suspicion that this show could have been put into a tax write-off, like they did with,
48:33 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_03]: backer all over at Warner Bros.
48:35 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_03]: But Disney decided to put it out and they just decided to drop it all in one day That's part of the reason it was dropped in one day because they had a choice to either write it off or release it on the chose to release it thankfully because as I say it's getting Really good reaction from from reviewers and audiences like It's mad isn't it now they have to curase this of course.
48:53 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, please put it's great that they didn't just write it off exactly DC did yeah, oh Warner Bros.
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly
49:02 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Good stuff, thanks, Coffin vodka, and over on Facebook, a mathematician says, I don't feel like as much happened in this episode, but they managed to build some real tension in it.
49:15 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_04]: When Trevor was sneaking around and Simon's mom's house, tension is always a good watch.
49:20 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I really like Simon's mum by the way, Martha.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_04]: She was great.
49:25 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Trevor deciding to do the right thing rather than his usual path of his resistance choices was some good character development.
49:33 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But what is it with him and toilet time?
49:37 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw it in Iron Man 3 and he both had to go again at the party as well as using it for an excuse to go and destroy the sim card.
49:47 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_04]: The subject is usually never approached in TV and film, but Traffa is all over it.
49:53 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, maybe we've got a weak blather.
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been lucky with it.
49:57 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I can tell the actor was great here because I was cheering away for the two leads when they got their callback for Wonderman parts, meaning they have me invested, even though they haven't really done anything.
50:09 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Brilliant.
50:10 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Halfway through, still not a clue where the share is heading.
50:14 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Mathematician.
50:15 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff, isn't that exactly what you want?
50:18 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
50:18 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And joining something, but absolutely not a clue.
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, where it's gonna go.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great, isn't it?
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I love not having a destination to focus on your kind of girl.
50:27 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe they make the movie.
50:29 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's worth it.
50:29 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_04]: for it's going to go, but you invest in the moment as travel would say, be present.
50:34 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Be present, yes.
50:36 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll take it to the best, take it to the press.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
50:41 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Grace of Thanks, Mathematician.
50:43 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Mathematician.
50:45 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_03]: As said, Chris and John are gone now.
50:47 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I do have some other feedback on episode 3 of Wonderman that I do want to share at first up on email from Nathan Eschelman, who says, hey guys, long time listener, first time writer.
50:56 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I've shared this with Derek, but over the past year too, I've slowly made my way through the Netflix series, Marvel shows for the first time.
51:02 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I had watched everything canon in the MCU apart from those, so when they officially became canon somewhere between the release of Hulk guy and Daredevil born again, I decided to jump on the train.
51:11 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_03]: TV podcast industries was a constant listen for me during that time, so thank you for covering everything for the first episode of Daredevil all the way to the last episode of Jessica Jones.
51:20 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes when you arrive to show light, it can feel like you're the only person watching it, so to have the defenders TV podcast always made me feel like I was watching them
51:29 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm grateful for that, and I did end up catching up at the end of last year.
51:33 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_03]: As for Wonderman, three things stick to me in these early episodes that make him relatable to me.
51:38 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_03]: We spend a lot of time alone, we have a DVD collection, and we like Ashley Green in the Twilight saga.
51:43 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Looking forward to the rest of the year's coverage, especially with a new Avengers movie to look forward to at the end of the total cheers, Nathan.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Nathan, it's so great to hear from you.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for getting in contact with us.
51:55 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great when people go back and listen to our
51:57 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_03]: previous podcasts on all the Netflix stuff.
52:00 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We spent so much time in the Netflix universe that when it got cancelled in the end when the final episode of Jessica Jones finished, we really didn't know what to do with ourselves.
52:09 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_03]: We were going, oh god, we need to find some other type of show that's going to be out there that's going to be the right type of show for us eventually obviously finding one division and some other shows like the boys, etc.
52:20 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_03]: But we thought we would never be able to continue podcasting with all of the Netflix stuff coming to an end
52:26 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_03]: type of stuff for now to see it all coming back with Daredevil born again season two coming in just a couple of weeks time.
52:32 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome to have these great shows out there.
52:35 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So as I said on the podcast previously the way Wonder Man was released all in one day like the old Netflix shows used to be in the way that we're a stretcher today over the course of four weeks makes it feel like we're back two or all days in Daredevil even to this kind of way where we used to drop in feedback after we'd record the podcast as well and I'd have to do it on my own
52:53 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't know what he else was around.
52:54 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So, lovely that you've joined us for that.
52:56 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a big year this year with the massive Avengers Doom take coming in in December, and of course, as I mentioned, Daredevil born again.
53:03 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So, we hope you are able to join alongside us for that as well.
53:06 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Nathan, add everybody else's list in there, of course.
53:09 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for your feedback, and I will of course share it with the lads where they're back as well.
53:12 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Back over on Discord for Pacoima, we have feedback from Philipay who says, quick you're developing myself with what I said last episode, I was super disappointed after Iron Man 3 with the whole The Mandarin is just an actor twist, totally my expectations to blame on that one, but it is still one of my least favorite MCU movies.
53:29 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Besides this, honestly, Trevor was probably what I liked least.
53:32 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Even in the otherwise amazing Shang-Chi, that said, I have to admit he's been winning me over more and more with every episode.
53:39 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed his interaction with Simon's family and neighbors.
53:42 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for that, Philippe.
53:43 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You did not need to defend yourself.
53:45 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I promise.
53:45 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And we understand that loads of people who didn't like that twist in our Man 3.
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I just remember.
53:51 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_03]: As I mentioned last episode, the three of us sort out those people that we really enjoyed just that twist of them putting forward somebody playing the band.
54:00 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that this show is really doing well though is giving more time to a character like Trevor Slady.
54:04 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_03]: You get to know more about him, he's much less one note than he was as the comedy foil in Shonkshi and as comedy character in Iron Man 3 as well.
54:13 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Here he does seem to be a much more random character while he is hilarious and it is still a comedy show You do see a lot more heart from him because you have the opportunity to explore the character So I can see that's connecting with you, which is really really good and definitely with ourselves Yeah, he was it was a favorite character of ours before, but now he's even cooler and much more worth watching in this series But of course being played by Syran Kinsley at he's bringing a lot to that role really enjoying it Great stuff Thanks very much for that for the pipe
54:41 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And finally we had some feedback in from Dr. Bob on episode 3.
54:45 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_03]: He says I have to hand it to Trevor, stepping up to possible jail time because of the value of friendship.
54:50 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_03]: The sort of love that makes you'll never walk alone and ethos not a song.
54:54 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And why the newspaper the song doesn't sell a mercy side.
54:57 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what his mom instilled in him from birth onwards, and to Simon for allowing his vulnerability in the face of his exceptional strength to be seen and valued, please let this not twist back into slaturish self-protection, and to both actors, particularly as they rift off each other in Simon's flat, showing how the raise-on-debtra of an actor is to act not be employed.
55:17 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, love that, Dr. Bob, I was talking to John about this before he left for his trip away this week, and he really was appreciative of the comments there.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Got some great thoughts there.
55:28 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely feel that Trevor Slattery is drawing on the history of Liverpool, the ins and of Mirza's side people, that dedication to the family and friends that are around them.
55:38 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It can totally see that.
55:39 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, love that idea, you know, the fact that we were laughing about it.
55:44 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Actors thinking that's the most important job in the world and then by the end of this episode, you're totally on side with them saying our job as an actress act, not to be employed.
55:55 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_03]: We have other things that we need to do, you know, really like that as well.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff.
55:59 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks everybody for your feedback.
56:01 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep sending it in.
56:02 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll keep dropping it into the episodes as we go.
56:04 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_03]: If John and Chris are available, I hope you don't mind me sharing your feedback with all the wonderful fellow defenders as well.
56:09 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I love hearing and I know the guys do as well.
56:12 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So keep sending it into us.
56:13 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_03]: and back to our original close-out for episode 3 of WonderMount with a Southern John.
56:20 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much for your feedback.
56:22 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep emailing us into feedback at TV podcast industry.com or pop on over to our Facebook group at Facebook.com slash groups slash TV podcast industries or a generous server in our discord where there should be a spoiler closed up there for each of the episodes for WonderMount.
56:36 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent stuff.
56:37 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
56:37 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for joining us fellow defenders.
56:41 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We will be back with episode four of Wonderman entitled Door Man.
56:47 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Door Man versus Wonder Man.
56:49 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
56:50 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Door Man.
56:50 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Me.
56:51 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
56:52 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
56:53 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you in the first day.
56:54 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Dr.
56:54 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Strange.
56:55 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And the word man.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like so much as a daughter to get the next step.
56:59 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, excellent stuff, remember fellow defenders until next time.
57:04 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Keep watching, keep listening, and of course, keep defending.
57:07 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Bye, bye, my lovelies.