[00:00:00] This is the Defenders Podcast on TV Podcast Industries. We're back with What If Season 3, Episode 1, What If Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers.

[00:00:08] So that's it, huh? The rest of the world gets to fight your monsters while you just hide in fear?

[00:00:14] Fear? What do you know about fear, Sam? About being a threat? A living force of destruction?

[00:00:22] I know you can't get past the things that scare you if you don't face them.

[00:00:27] Why do you think I built this protocol? You built it to use against yourself?

[00:00:33] I built it to protect everyone from a monster no one can control.

[00:00:39] Look, I've never seen a monster when I look at you, Bruce. I've only ever seen my friend.

[00:00:45] I guess I hoped if you faced this thing, then maybe you'd see what I see too.

[00:01:12] Welcome back, fellow Defenders, to our What If Podcast on TV Podcast Industries.

[00:01:17] We're on to the final season of What If, starting with Season 3, Episode 1, What If Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers.

[00:01:24] I'm one of your hosts, Derek.

[00:01:25] Yes, hello, and a happy festive seasonal Christmas holiday season to you, fellow Defenders.

[00:01:34] I am your other host, John.

[00:01:36] Yeah, yeah, welcome back, fellow Defenders.

[00:01:38] You probably hear, you might hear in our voices that we're teetering on the edge of flus and colds.

[00:01:43] There's no teetering about it.

[00:01:44] John's already been diagnosed with a flu.

[00:01:45] I am full on flu with antibiotics to prevent chest infection.

[00:01:51] So I wish you a pleasant non-green Christmas in this Hulk special.

[00:01:56] Yeah, yeah, that's gorgeous, John.

[00:01:59] But what better to cheer us up than a Saturday morning cartoon episode of What If?

[00:02:05] Yes.

[00:02:08] A smorgasbord of references, dare I say it.

[00:02:11] Exactly, and we'll discuss it all, obviously, in spoiler-filled detail.

[00:02:13] Go out and check it out now.

[00:02:14] New episodes of What If are coming out every single day over the next eight days until the end of the season.

[00:02:19] Unfortunately, that does mean we're not going to be able to record every single day,

[00:02:21] but we did want to get the first episode out as soon as we could,

[00:02:23] and then we'll hopefully get the second episode out on the same day,

[00:02:27] and we'll probably take a break over those three Christmas days,

[00:02:29] because we're not going to be here.

[00:02:30] We're not going to be anywhere near our microphones for a couple of days,

[00:02:33] but we will catch up, I promise.

[00:02:34] Yes.

[00:02:35] Fellow Defenders, whilst we are committed,

[00:02:37] we do have to take some Christmassy downtime with our families as well.

[00:02:43] Yeah, I still would have done it, but we're not going to.

[00:02:46] No, I wouldn't.

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[00:03:25] Yes, you can.

[00:03:25] Yes, you can.

[00:03:26] By Godzilla, of course.

[00:03:27] I mean Hulk.

[00:03:28] Yes, and we are wrapping up our 10th year of podcasting

[00:03:31] with TV podcast industries.

[00:03:33] We started out with Gotham TV Podcast 10 years ago

[00:03:36] and leading into our 10th anniversary of Defenders TV Podcast next year, John.

[00:03:41] Indeed.

[00:03:41] Which was our Marvel podcast, which kicked off with Daredevil

[00:03:43] and we're returning to Daredevil next year as a big celebration.

[00:03:47] Very, very cool.

[00:03:48] I believe Marvel Studios just were like,

[00:03:50] we should give them their anniversary gift here.

[00:03:53] If only.

[00:03:54] Well, DC did it with the penguins.

[00:03:56] That's true.

[00:03:56] Bringing us back to Gotham for our 10th anniversary of Gotham TV Podcast.

[00:03:59] The stars align.

[00:04:01] Yes, they do.

[00:04:02] Yes, they do.

[00:04:02] But that'll be good fun.

[00:04:03] I'll be looking forward to that.

[00:04:04] Before we get into this season of What If,

[00:04:06] I just want to do a quick wrap-up of John's ratings for What If so far.

[00:04:10] It gives us a little kind of benchmark

[00:04:12] for where this may be sitting within the realm.

[00:04:15] I'm not going to go through all of these

[00:04:16] because it's obviously been two full seasons.

[00:04:18] But interestingly, there are five episodes of the show

[00:04:21] that you've given five for, John.

[00:04:24] Five shows got five out of five.

[00:04:26] Doctor Strange loses his heart.

[00:04:27] Ultron wins.

[00:04:28] Nebula joins the Nova Corps,

[00:04:30] which was the first episode of season two.

[00:04:32] Kehori episode.

[00:04:33] And Hela with the Ten Rings,

[00:04:35] where she joins with Shang-Chi.

[00:04:37] So interesting choices there for your top listing episodes.

[00:04:41] Isn't it just really?

[00:04:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:41] Expect Doctor Strange.

[00:04:43] The Kehori episode, of course, was excellent.

[00:04:45] The opener for season two,

[00:04:47] interestingly, got you a five out of five.

[00:04:50] I loved it.

[00:04:51] It was kind of pure sort of detective noir.

[00:04:54] Exactly.

[00:04:55] Which was very, very cool.

[00:04:56] Kehori loved that kind of stuff, to be honest.

[00:04:59] I find it always so interesting.

[00:05:01] And in this case as well,

[00:05:03] the story was just really, really good.

[00:05:05] Yeah.

[00:05:06] I've always had a soft spot for the Ten Rings,

[00:05:09] because I'm kind of longing for Shang-Chi too.

[00:05:11] Absolutely.

[00:05:12] And I think, in a sense,

[00:05:14] Hela and the Ten Rings brought that little intermission.

[00:05:17] Exactly.

[00:05:18] You know, along,

[00:05:19] where we could enjoy the Ten Rings once again.

[00:05:22] Yes, we could.

[00:05:22] And we will obviously talk a little bit more

[00:05:24] about Simu Liu and Shang-Chi in this episode,

[00:05:27] as we get into it.

[00:05:28] But let's look at the other end of the scale, John,

[00:05:30] unless you want to look at any of the other areas of your ratings.

[00:05:33] I want to look at the bottoms and tops for this one.

[00:05:36] So the lowest scoring episodes that you had,

[00:05:39] I think unsurprisingly here.

[00:05:42] Season 1, Episode 7, Thor Only Child,

[00:05:44] which I think is my least favorite episode of the show as well,

[00:05:46] so far.

[00:05:48] That's the groaning, grumpy party animal that is Thor.

[00:05:52] Didn't really like that episode.

[00:05:53] And then Season 2, Episode 4,

[00:05:55] which was the Grand Master episode with Iron Man,

[00:05:58] where Iron Man goes to the same planet from Ragnarok

[00:06:02] with the Grand Master in charge.

[00:06:03] Yeah.

[00:06:04] Didn't really like that one either.

[00:06:05] No, absolutely.

[00:06:07] I kind of just like,

[00:06:09] yeah, but good, enjoyable.

[00:06:10] Bit of a life.

[00:06:11] Dare I say it,

[00:06:12] not to put too many spoilers on it,

[00:06:15] but possibly,

[00:06:16] depending on how this discussion goes,

[00:06:18] there could be another one joining the lower ranks

[00:06:22] of my ratings.

[00:06:24] Okay, well,

[00:06:24] let's get into our discussion about this episode

[00:06:26] of What If,

[00:06:27] What If, Season 3,

[00:06:28] Episode 1,

[00:06:29] What If Hulk Battled the Mech Avengers?

[00:06:31] Absolutely.

[00:06:32] Derek,

[00:06:33] give us some of the episode details.

[00:06:35] Well,

[00:06:35] executive producers for the show,

[00:06:36] once again,

[00:06:36] Matthew Chauncey,

[00:06:37] Brian Andrews,

[00:06:38] and Brad Winterbaum

[00:06:39] with Kevin Feige.

[00:06:40] The head writer for this series

[00:06:42] is now Matthew Chauncey,

[00:06:43] who replaced the previous head writer

[00:06:44] for the show,

[00:06:44] A.C. Bradley.

[00:06:45] This episode, though,

[00:06:46] has got A.C. Bradley

[00:06:48] as one of the story writers,

[00:06:49] along with Brian Andrews,

[00:06:50] one of the executive producers.

[00:06:52] The telly play for the episode

[00:06:53] was written by Ryan Little.

[00:06:54] Previously,

[00:06:55] Ryan wrote two other episodes

[00:06:56] of What If.

[00:06:57] He wrote the Keohori

[00:06:58] Reshape the World episode,

[00:06:59] which is one of your top fives,

[00:07:00] and he also co-wrote

[00:07:02] The Avengers Assembled

[00:07:03] in 1602 episode as well.

[00:07:05] Which I also loved.

[00:07:06] It was a great episode.

[00:07:07] Great episode.

[00:07:08] And really recently,

[00:07:09] go check this out,

[00:07:10] he wrote the Marvel Comics

[00:07:11] introduction of Keohori

[00:07:12] Reshaper of the World

[00:07:13] in 2024.

[00:07:14] They released an issue

[00:07:15] which is about Keohori

[00:07:16] meeting up with other characters

[00:07:18] in the Marvel Comics universe as well.

[00:07:20] So she has now officially

[00:07:21] been introduced

[00:07:22] into canon in Marvel Comics.

[00:07:24] So go check that out.

[00:07:24] Excellent stuff.

[00:07:25] Yeah, looking all good so far.

[00:07:27] And I think the next one

[00:07:28] would suggest that

[00:07:30] it should be a great one for me.

[00:07:32] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:32] The director of the episode

[00:07:33] is Stefan Frank,

[00:07:34] who directed the premiere

[00:07:35] of season two.

[00:07:36] What If Nebula

[00:07:37] joined the Nova Corps?

[00:07:38] So again,

[00:07:39] another one of your

[00:07:40] five out of five episodes,

[00:07:41] John.

[00:07:42] Interesting what they supplied

[00:07:44] in this episode

[00:07:44] and how they delivered.

[00:07:46] John,

[00:07:46] do you want to give us

[00:07:47] your synopsis for

[00:07:48] this first episode

[00:07:49] of the final season

[00:07:50] of What If?

[00:07:51] Sure.

[00:07:51] When Sam Wilson

[00:07:52] meets a broken Bruce Banner,

[00:07:54] he tries to help him

[00:07:55] control the monster

[00:07:56] inside him

[00:07:56] through his counseling sessions

[00:07:58] with war veterans.

[00:07:59] But on a fishing trip

[00:08:00] with Sam and his sister Sarah,

[00:08:02] Bruce loses control

[00:08:03] and the Hulk is released.

[00:08:05] Fleeing from the ship

[00:08:06] and his friend Sam Banner,

[00:08:09] partially inspired

[00:08:09] by his friend Sam,

[00:08:10] but also his own loathing

[00:08:12] of the Hulk,

[00:08:13] tries to separate the beast

[00:08:15] from his human self,

[00:08:16] but inadvertently creates

[00:08:18] an apex gamma beast,

[00:08:20] hellbent on destruction.

[00:08:22] The Avengers,

[00:08:23] Steve Rogers,

[00:08:24] Thor,

[00:08:24] Tony Stark,

[00:08:25] Clint Barton

[00:08:26] and Natasha Romanoff

[00:08:27] create giant Hulk busters

[00:08:29] to beat their enemy,

[00:08:30] but they are lost in battle.

[00:08:32] Their loss inspires

[00:08:33] the surviving heroes

[00:08:34] to win the first gamma war.

[00:08:37] Ten years later,

[00:08:39] the apex rises again,

[00:08:41] stronger,

[00:08:41] more powerful

[00:08:42] and with thousands

[00:08:43] of gamma beasts

[00:08:44] that are now

[00:08:45] an organized invasion force.

[00:08:47] Sam Wilson,

[00:08:49] now the leader

[00:08:49] of the new Avengers team,

[00:08:51] including Nakia,

[00:08:52] Moon Knight,

[00:08:53] the Red Guardian,

[00:08:54] Melina Vostkov,

[00:08:56] Bucky Barnes,

[00:08:57] Shang-Chi

[00:08:57] and Monica Rambeau,

[00:08:59] enlists his old friend

[00:09:01] Banner's help

[00:09:02] to win the fight

[00:09:03] when their mechs fail.

[00:09:04] While Bruce is reluctant

[00:09:05] to get involved,

[00:09:06] he has created a program

[00:09:08] for a mech avenger,

[00:09:09] combining all the other mechs

[00:09:11] into one supreme robot,

[00:09:13] the mighty Avenger.

[00:09:15] While it's able to distract

[00:09:17] the apex's minions,

[00:09:19] it cannot handle the apex,

[00:09:21] but Bruce takes on

[00:09:22] the power of a gamma bomb,

[00:09:24] creating a mega hulk,

[00:09:26] who kills and replaces

[00:09:27] the apex.

[00:09:29] Calm by the words

[00:09:30] of his friend Sam Wilson,

[00:09:31] mega hulk leads

[00:09:32] the gamma beasts

[00:09:33] away from a destroyed

[00:09:35] New Yorkian civilization

[00:09:37] to their own island retreat.

[00:09:39] Yeah, I don't think

[00:09:40] they really saved New York

[00:09:41] very much in this episode.

[00:09:42] Not at all.

[00:09:44] It was a little bit weird

[00:09:46] when Bruce arrives

[00:09:48] with the old bomber,

[00:09:50] the old sort of

[00:09:50] long-range bomber

[00:09:52] for sort of

[00:09:54] nuclear attack,

[00:09:56] and they're going to drop

[00:09:57] it over New York.

[00:09:59] He can't do that,

[00:10:00] but no,

[00:10:00] he's going to absorb

[00:10:01] the gamma radiation.

[00:10:02] It will be fine

[00:10:03] as huge mushroom clouds

[00:10:06] goes over New York.

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:08] Seemingly destroying

[00:10:10] all of New York.

[00:10:11] So I don't think

[00:10:12] New York really got away

[00:10:14] from that fate, really.

[00:10:16] I don't think it did.

[00:10:16] We do see some buildings

[00:10:17] in the background,

[00:10:18] but they're looking

[00:10:18] at the far distance,

[00:10:19] so maybe he just

[00:10:20] destroyed Manhattan.

[00:10:20] But I presume

[00:10:21] are destroyed by radiation.

[00:10:23] Probably, probably.

[00:10:24] But let's get into

[00:10:25] our top three

[00:10:26] for this episode.

[00:10:27] If you haven't joined us

[00:10:27] for the What If episodes before,

[00:10:29] we do have a slightly

[00:10:29] different structure for this

[00:10:30] because What If is based

[00:10:31] on a central concept

[00:10:32] of what's been changed

[00:10:33] from the universe

[00:10:34] that we know

[00:10:35] in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[00:10:37] So our first point,

[00:10:38] as always,

[00:10:38] is what if we had seen

[00:10:40] this before?

[00:10:41] So name the Cinematic Universe

[00:10:42] movies that are the inspiration

[00:10:44] for this episode.

[00:10:45] First one for me,

[00:10:46] I thought,

[00:10:47] was that the first Gamma War

[00:10:48] seems to be in place

[00:10:49] of the Battle of New York.

[00:10:51] So the arrival of Loki

[00:10:53] and the minions to New York

[00:10:55] that had all the Avengers

[00:10:56] uniting together

[00:10:57] to take on Thanos.

[00:11:00] Yeah, it seems like that

[00:11:01] because at the head of it,

[00:11:02] it is Iron Man,

[00:11:04] Steve Rogers,

[00:11:06] Hawkeye,

[00:11:07] Natasha Romanoff,

[00:11:08] and so on.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:09] So yeah,

[00:11:09] this seems to be

[00:11:10] the standing that's happened

[00:11:12] for the attack by Thanos

[00:11:14] on New York.

[00:11:15] Yeah.

[00:11:16] But it kind of links back

[00:11:18] to that in a sense,

[00:11:21] the Winter Soldier

[00:11:22] connects with Banner

[00:11:23] on his morning jog

[00:11:25] around the Washington

[00:11:28] Memorial Monuments

[00:11:29] and that on your left scene

[00:11:31] that we know from

[00:11:32] Captain America

[00:11:33] and the Winter Soldier.

[00:11:34] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Here instead of

[00:11:35] Captain America,

[00:11:36] it's Sam.

[00:11:37] Yeah.

[00:11:38] It's the Falcon

[00:11:39] who is connecting

[00:11:42] with Bruce Banner

[00:11:43] and make that connection here.

[00:11:44] Which does make me wonder

[00:11:46] whether that battle

[00:11:47] is the replacement

[00:11:48] for the Battle of New York

[00:11:49] because I suppose

[00:11:50] at the beginning of the episode,

[00:11:51] the Avengers are together

[00:11:52] as a group already,

[00:11:53] which is what the Battle of New York

[00:11:55] brought them together

[00:11:55] in the MCU.

[00:11:57] So they seem to have been together

[00:11:58] for a little while.

[00:11:59] So maybe it's not.

[00:12:00] Maybe it's just an additional battle

[00:12:01] after they went up against Ultron,

[00:12:03] maybe,

[00:12:03] something like that.

[00:12:05] So they have been together

[00:12:06] for a while.

[00:12:06] But the on your left scene,

[00:12:07] you're right,

[00:12:07] it does seem to be

[00:12:09] similar to

[00:12:10] the Winter Soldier moment.

[00:12:11] But again,

[00:12:12] we know that Sam

[00:12:13] was running around the park

[00:12:14] for many times

[00:12:16] before he beats up

[00:12:16] with Steve Rogers.

[00:12:18] But I mean,

[00:12:18] it is difficult to place

[00:12:19] and I think actually

[00:12:21] when you start having

[00:12:22] multiple branching timelines

[00:12:23] and multiple multiverses,

[00:12:25] then actually

[00:12:27] the placement of it

[00:12:28] becomes a bit difficult.

[00:12:29] And I guess

[00:12:30] to some extent

[00:12:31] is that important or not?

[00:12:32] I guess

[00:12:34] to some degree

[00:12:36] it is

[00:12:37] if you're really mad

[00:12:39] into the continuity stuff

[00:12:41] of Marvel.

[00:12:42] I don't really have

[00:12:44] a problem with it.

[00:12:45] But nonetheless,

[00:12:46] knowing that they're

[00:12:47] kind of,

[00:12:47] you know,

[00:12:48] continuity,

[00:12:49] you know,

[00:12:50] the Marvel MCU,

[00:12:53] sort of slightly OCD

[00:12:55] about it

[00:12:56] with Kevin Feige,

[00:12:57] it is difficult to place

[00:12:59] where this is

[00:13:00] and it's not even

[00:13:01] really fully described

[00:13:03] by the Watcher

[00:13:04] who is normally

[00:13:04] the person that just

[00:13:05] does that sort of

[00:13:06] couple of lines

[00:13:07] that sets that

[00:13:09] ultimate.

[00:13:10] So I initially

[00:13:11] thought this was

[00:13:12] just in a random

[00:13:13] other part

[00:13:16] of the multiverse

[00:13:17] in another universe

[00:13:18] because,

[00:13:19] you know,

[00:13:20] it's also about

[00:13:21] the mecha robots,

[00:13:23] you know,

[00:13:23] other than

[00:13:24] the Hulkbuster.

[00:13:25] I guess that's

[00:13:26] the evolution

[00:13:27] of these

[00:13:30] Transformers,

[00:13:31] robots in disguise

[00:13:33] kind of groupings.

[00:13:35] But yeah.

[00:13:36] Voltron,

[00:13:36] Battle of the Planets,

[00:13:37] loads of other

[00:13:37] references there,

[00:13:39] of course,

[00:13:39] to what they're

[00:13:40] riffing off.

[00:13:41] But that's another

[00:13:41] good point.

[00:13:42] The Hulkbuster

[00:13:43] was created

[00:13:45] for Bruce Banner

[00:13:46] when he wasn't

[00:13:47] a Hulk.

[00:13:47] In here,

[00:13:48] they're saying

[00:13:49] that they're

[00:13:49] creating these

[00:13:50] mecha versions

[00:13:51] of the

[00:13:51] Hulkbuster armor

[00:13:53] to go up and

[00:13:53] battle against

[00:13:55] these Gamma.

[00:13:55] But they're bigger

[00:13:56] than the Hulkbuster

[00:13:57] as well.

[00:13:57] Much bigger

[00:13:57] because,

[00:13:58] of course,

[00:13:58] the Gamma monster

[00:13:59] is much bigger.

[00:13:59] It's like,

[00:13:59] what's it,

[00:14:00] Pacific Rim,

[00:14:01] those films?

[00:14:01] It's almost like

[00:14:02] those kind of

[00:14:04] mechas,

[00:14:05] kaiju.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:06] I mean,

[00:14:07] as I say,

[00:14:08] this is like

[00:14:08] smorgasbord heavy

[00:14:10] on riffing off

[00:14:11] other properties

[00:14:12] and itself.

[00:14:14] And I'm kind of like,

[00:14:15] I get it,

[00:14:17] but I'm like,

[00:14:20] please,

[00:14:21] like,

[00:14:21] something original.

[00:14:22] I mean,

[00:14:23] I think the Gremlins

[00:14:24] are thrown in here

[00:14:25] at some point

[00:14:26] and Godzilla

[00:14:27] 2000,

[00:14:29] 2002,

[00:14:29] the one with

[00:14:30] Matthew Broderick

[00:14:30] with,

[00:14:31] like,

[00:14:31] the first wave

[00:14:33] of the attack

[00:14:34] of the Apex.

[00:14:35] I'd love to know

[00:14:35] what the Gremlins

[00:14:36] are from.

[00:14:36] Where all the minions

[00:14:37] come out,

[00:14:38] popping out of his back.

[00:14:39] Yeah,

[00:14:39] of course.

[00:14:40] I just immediately

[00:14:40] thought Gremlins

[00:14:41] and now I was thinking

[00:14:43] more Matthew Broderick

[00:14:44] Godzilla from,

[00:14:45] like,

[00:14:45] the early noughties

[00:14:47] where it lays eggs

[00:14:48] in New York.

[00:14:50] So,

[00:14:50] that kind of thing.

[00:14:51] Yeah.

[00:14:52] So,

[00:14:52] yeah,

[00:14:52] I mean,

[00:14:52] there's tons of

[00:14:54] references to other

[00:14:55] movies as well as

[00:14:56] within the Marvel

[00:14:57] universe.

[00:14:58] There is absolutely

[00:14:58] lots of inspiration

[00:14:59] taken across the world

[00:15:01] movies.

[00:15:02] One of the things

[00:15:02] I did like as well,

[00:15:03] though,

[00:15:03] we do see Sam's

[00:15:04] sister in here,

[00:15:05] Sam's sister Sarah

[00:15:05] from Falcon and

[00:15:07] the Winter Soldier,

[00:15:07] somebody that we met

[00:15:08] and was on the

[00:15:10] journey with Sam

[00:15:11] after he came back

[00:15:13] from his snap.

[00:15:14] And their ship,

[00:15:15] which doesn't seem

[00:15:16] particularly sea-worthy.

[00:15:17] It doesn't seem to go

[00:15:18] down very well

[00:15:18] when there's a

[00:15:19] slight storm.

[00:15:20] But then again,

[00:15:20] I did have a Hulk

[00:15:21] on board that

[00:15:21] almost smashed the

[00:15:23] whole thing to pieces.

[00:15:23] Well,

[00:15:23] that was true as well.

[00:15:24] I was thinking,

[00:15:25] Hulk,

[00:15:25] you really are silly

[00:15:27] smashing through

[00:15:28] the deck of the

[00:15:29] ship.

[00:15:30] But I think in

[00:15:31] Falcon and the

[00:15:32] Winter Soldier,

[00:15:33] the ship needed

[00:15:33] repairing as well,

[00:15:35] but it looked

[00:15:36] quite repaired.

[00:15:36] So I think overall,

[00:15:38] the way I'd probably

[00:15:38] sum it up is Sam

[00:15:39] never had that

[00:15:41] meeting with Steve

[00:15:42] Rogers,

[00:15:42] so he hasn't

[00:15:43] become Falcon.

[00:15:43] He eventually gets

[00:15:44] inspired to become

[00:15:45] an Avenger at a

[00:15:47] later stage,

[00:15:47] but at this point

[00:15:48] he's still hanging

[00:15:49] out with his

[00:15:49] sister.

[00:15:49] He's still,

[00:15:50] he's a friend of

[00:15:52] Bruce Banner's

[00:15:53] rather than of

[00:15:53] Steve Rogers.

[00:15:54] Exactly.

[00:15:54] The point that it

[00:15:56] comes to here.

[00:15:57] And ultimately

[00:15:57] does become a new

[00:15:59] Avenger later on

[00:16:00] as Captain

[00:16:01] America.

[00:16:03] Yeah.

[00:16:03] Yeah.

[00:16:04] So despite those

[00:16:04] sort of nuances

[00:16:05] and changes,

[00:16:06] he ends up being

[00:16:08] what he is as

[00:16:09] well in the

[00:16:10] current MCU.

[00:16:12] Exactly.

[00:16:12] And speaking of

[00:16:13] those new Avengers,

[00:16:13] they come from

[00:16:14] lots of different

[00:16:15] corners of the

[00:16:16] Marvel Universe

[00:16:16] now,

[00:16:16] whichever you like.

[00:16:17] You have Shang-Chi

[00:16:18] in there,

[00:16:18] we have the Red

[00:16:19] Guardian and his

[00:16:20] wife from Black

[00:16:21] Widow,

[00:16:21] we have Black

[00:16:22] Panther.

[00:16:23] This time,

[00:16:23] interestingly,

[00:16:24] it's Nakia,

[00:16:25] not Shuri,

[00:16:26] providing the

[00:16:27] inspiration for

[00:16:28] the character

[00:16:28] from the Black

[00:16:29] Panther universe.

[00:16:30] We also have

[00:16:30] Mark Spector from

[00:16:31] Moon Knight.

[00:16:32] We have Oscar

[00:16:33] Isaac coming back.

[00:16:34] And I think the

[00:16:35] only real moment

[00:16:36] that he has in

[00:16:36] the episode is

[00:16:37] kind of going,

[00:16:38] oh,

[00:16:38] teaming up,

[00:16:38] who would have

[00:16:39] thought this

[00:16:39] would save the

[00:16:40] day?

[00:16:40] Because Moon

[00:16:41] Knight is well

[00:16:41] known as a

[00:16:42] character that

[00:16:42] doesn't like to

[00:16:42] team up.

[00:16:43] No,

[00:16:43] absolutely.

[00:16:44] I did feel it

[00:16:45] wasn't totally

[00:16:46] obvious that that

[00:16:47] was Moon Knight,

[00:16:48] to be honest.

[00:16:51] Except for the

[00:16:51] moon in his

[00:16:51] chest and the

[00:16:52] mention of

[00:16:52] Conti.

[00:16:52] No,

[00:16:52] I know,

[00:16:53] but you

[00:16:54] didn't really

[00:16:54] get a sense.

[00:16:55] I didn't get a

[00:16:56] sense that that

[00:16:57] was Mark

[00:16:58] Spector and

[00:16:59] Moon Knight from

[00:16:59] the excellent

[00:17:00] Moon Knight

[00:17:03] series,

[00:17:03] which I love,

[00:17:05] and gave it

[00:17:05] fives across

[00:17:06] the board.

[00:17:07] So I just felt

[00:17:08] that was a little

[00:17:08] underplayed,

[00:17:09] to be honest.

[00:17:09] Yeah,

[00:17:10] I think so,

[00:17:10] but it does

[00:17:11] make me think

[00:17:12] that that means

[00:17:12] we're going to

[00:17:13] have Oscar

[00:17:13] Isaac back for

[00:17:14] another part of

[00:17:15] the season later

[00:17:16] on.

[00:17:16] We're going to see

[00:17:16] Mark Spector at

[00:17:17] some point later

[00:17:18] on of the season

[00:17:18] as well.

[00:17:19] The one really

[00:17:20] interesting one for

[00:17:21] me,

[00:17:21] and I know you've

[00:17:22] already talked about

[00:17:22] nitpicking of the

[00:17:23] MCU,

[00:17:24] nitpicking of the

[00:17:25] movies,

[00:17:26] this is the only

[00:17:26] nitpick I would

[00:17:27] have.

[00:17:28] Everybody here

[00:17:28] would still exist

[00:17:29] in the MCU

[00:17:31] to the point where

[00:17:32] this change

[00:17:33] happens,

[00:17:33] except for the

[00:17:34] other member of

[00:17:35] the team,

[00:17:35] and she's the

[00:17:35] kind of co-commander

[00:17:37] of the new

[00:17:38] Avengers,

[00:17:38] Monica Rambeau.

[00:17:39] She only got her

[00:17:40] powers in

[00:17:41] WandaVision when

[00:17:42] Scarlet Witch

[00:17:43] created Westview

[00:17:44] and she broke

[00:17:45] through the barrier

[00:17:45] to get her powers

[00:17:46] and become

[00:17:47] Spectrum as she's

[00:17:48] known in the

[00:17:49] comic books,

[00:17:49] but in this

[00:17:51] universe that

[00:17:52] wouldn't have

[00:17:52] happened because

[00:17:53] Scarlet Witch isn't

[00:17:54] a member of the

[00:17:55] Avengers at all

[00:17:55] that we see and

[00:17:56] Vision didn't die,

[00:17:58] so would Scarlet

[00:17:59] Witch have created

[00:18:00] Westview if Thanos

[00:18:01] hadn't come around

[00:18:01] and killed Vision?

[00:18:02] So everybody else

[00:18:03] was on their path

[00:18:04] to creation,

[00:18:04] Shang-Chi in his

[00:18:05] own way,

[00:18:06] the characters in

[00:18:06] Black Widow were

[00:18:07] already pre-existing

[00:18:08] and the Avengers

[00:18:09] and Akia of course

[00:18:10] was pre-existing

[00:18:11] and Moon Knight

[00:18:11] has no connection

[00:18:12] at all to any

[00:18:12] of the Avengers.

[00:18:13] Yeah,

[00:18:14] no,

[00:18:14] exactly,

[00:18:14] so I mean I'm

[00:18:15] guessing that all

[00:18:16] that stuff happened

[00:18:17] for Monica to be

[00:18:19] there.

[00:18:19] Yeah,

[00:18:19] interesting.

[00:18:20] It was even,

[00:18:21] I was thinking

[00:18:21] at it from the

[00:18:22] other side of

[00:18:24] the Marvels,

[00:18:24] I just kind of

[00:18:25] assumed that

[00:18:26] had happened.

[00:18:27] Right.

[00:18:27] I was thinking,

[00:18:28] oh but didn't

[00:18:29] she have to go

[00:18:30] to another

[00:18:31] universe in the

[00:18:32] multiverse in

[00:18:33] order to seal

[00:18:35] up the

[00:18:36] boundaries between

[00:18:38] those two

[00:18:39] universes at

[00:18:40] the end of

[00:18:41] the Marvels

[00:18:42] and so Monica

[00:18:43] Rambeau is

[00:18:43] actually lost

[00:18:44] to time,

[00:18:45] so unless

[00:18:47] that then

[00:18:47] never happens.

[00:18:49] Well this story

[00:18:49] here takes place

[00:18:50] before that would

[00:18:51] have happened.

[00:18:51] That's what I mean,

[00:18:52] I think the

[00:18:52] placing of it

[00:18:53] is a little

[00:18:55] hard to catch

[00:18:56] I think.

[00:18:57] I mean,

[00:18:58] but as I say

[00:18:59] I just don't know

[00:19:00] whether that's

[00:19:00] important because

[00:19:01] I think with

[00:19:01] the 1602 one

[00:19:03] last one,

[00:19:03] that in a sense

[00:19:04] was just out

[00:19:05] of its time,

[00:19:06] like do you

[00:19:07] know what I

[00:19:07] mean?

[00:19:08] It was within

[00:19:09] the story of

[00:19:10] What If rather

[00:19:11] than the story

[00:19:12] of the MCU

[00:19:13] and I think

[00:19:13] here the

[00:19:14] intriguing point

[00:19:15] about it is

[00:19:16] this is the

[00:19:17] opener of

[00:19:18] season three

[00:19:18] where I don't

[00:19:19] expect it to be

[00:19:20] carrying through

[00:19:21] those tales

[00:19:22] of Strange

[00:19:24] Supreme.

[00:19:25] I might be

[00:19:26] wrong,

[00:19:27] I might totally

[00:19:27] be wrong,

[00:19:28] like I know

[00:19:29] there's a

[00:19:29] Kihori episode

[00:19:30] will be back,

[00:19:33] so maybe,

[00:19:34] but I'm not

[00:19:35] really expecting

[00:19:35] that,

[00:19:35] so to me

[00:19:36] there's a

[00:19:36] whole kind

[00:19:37] of new

[00:19:37] sort of

[00:19:38] framework being

[00:19:40] built here

[00:19:41] and I just,

[00:19:42] I guess that's

[00:19:44] what gave me

[00:19:44] hope with this

[00:19:45] episode,

[00:19:46] was that it

[00:19:46] was very

[00:19:46] intriguing,

[00:19:47] what is

[00:19:48] happening,

[00:19:49] you know,

[00:19:49] and I feel

[00:19:50] it might be

[00:19:51] to do with

[00:19:52] what happens

[00:19:52] at the end

[00:19:53] to some degree

[00:19:54] and of course

[00:19:55] the new,

[00:19:57] you know,

[00:19:57] this new phase

[00:19:58] of the MCU,

[00:19:59] I think it might

[00:20:00] be leaning more

[00:20:01] in towards that,

[00:20:01] so it'd be

[00:20:02] interesting to

[00:20:03] see,

[00:20:03] you know.

[00:20:04] Yeah,

[00:20:04] I know

[00:20:04] they've kind

[00:20:05] of pulled the

[00:20:06] rug out from

[00:20:06] under us in

[00:20:07] the past with

[00:20:07] these what if

[00:20:08] series where

[00:20:08] they put out

[00:20:09] an episode

[00:20:09] and you go,

[00:20:09] how is that

[00:20:10] going to

[00:20:10] possibly connect

[00:20:11] to the show

[00:20:12] and then they

[00:20:12] pick up a

[00:20:12] character from

[00:20:13] it and put

[00:20:13] them into

[00:20:14] the Guardians

[00:20:15] of the Multiverse

[00:20:15] or something

[00:20:16] like that by

[00:20:16] the end of

[00:20:17] the series,

[00:20:17] so we

[00:20:17] absolutely

[00:20:18] could see

[00:20:18] this mega

[00:20:20] Hulk coming

[00:20:21] back at the

[00:20:21] end of the

[00:20:21] series or we

[00:20:22] could see this

[00:20:23] version of Sam

[00:20:23] Wilson coming

[00:20:24] back at the

[00:20:24] end of the

[00:20:24] series but

[00:20:25] really

[00:20:25] interesting to

[00:20:26] have all

[00:20:26] these characters

[00:20:27] coming together

[00:20:27] as the new

[00:20:28] Avengers in

[00:20:28] the episode.

[00:20:29] The only

[00:20:29] other one

[00:20:30] really I

[00:20:30] guess that's

[00:20:31] connected to

[00:20:32] an MCU

[00:20:33] movie,

[00:20:33] I think from

[00:20:35] the references

[00:20:35] have we seen

[00:20:36] it before,

[00:20:37] is the

[00:20:37] arrival of

[00:20:38] Hulk is

[00:20:39] very like

[00:20:39] the Avengers

[00:20:39] endgame on

[00:20:40] your left

[00:20:41] scene,

[00:20:41] so sparking

[00:20:42] out of the

[00:20:44] meeting of

[00:20:44] Sam and

[00:20:46] Bruce Banner

[00:20:47] where they

[00:20:47] have the

[00:20:47] on your

[00:20:48] left scene

[00:20:48] in that final

[00:20:49] battle when

[00:20:49] Bruce arrives

[00:20:50] in his

[00:20:51] plane he

[00:20:51] calls out

[00:20:52] on your

[00:20:52] left which

[00:20:52] is the same

[00:20:53] way that

[00:20:54] Falcon arrived

[00:20:55] in the end

[00:20:56] game to

[00:20:57] battle against

[00:20:57] Thanos,

[00:20:58] so that's

[00:20:59] the only

[00:20:59] other little

[00:20:59] reference there.

[00:21:00] Absolutely.

[00:21:02] Shall we

[00:21:02] move on to

[00:21:03] our next

[00:21:03] point?

[00:21:04] What if

[00:21:05] there was a

[00:21:05] small change

[00:21:06] in the

[00:21:07] premise of

[00:21:08] this episode?

[00:21:09] I think this

[00:21:10] is kind of

[00:21:10] an interesting

[00:21:11] one because it

[00:21:12] sounds really

[00:21:12] negative when I

[00:21:13] wrote it down.

[00:21:14] The small

[00:21:14] change that

[00:21:15] happens is

[00:21:16] Bruce makes

[00:21:17] a friend and

[00:21:17] Sam Wilson

[00:21:19] consoles him

[00:21:20] creates this

[00:21:21] friendship with

[00:21:22] him and

[00:21:23] because of

[00:21:24] Bruce not

[00:21:24] wanting to

[00:21:25] show that

[00:21:25] evil dark

[00:21:26] side of

[00:21:26] himself,

[00:21:27] the Hulk,

[00:21:27] to Sam,

[00:21:28] his friend

[00:21:29] now, he

[00:21:29] tries to

[00:21:30] separate himself

[00:21:30] from the

[00:21:31] Hulk, creates

[00:21:32] the apex,

[00:21:32] killing the

[00:21:33] Avengers,

[00:21:34] destroying half

[00:21:34] the world

[00:21:35] it seems.

[00:21:36] So to me

[00:21:37] that sounds

[00:21:37] like a really

[00:21:38] dark premise

[00:21:38] of the episode.

[00:21:39] If you

[00:21:40] make a good

[00:21:40] friend,

[00:21:42] things can

[00:21:42] go really

[00:21:43] badly and

[00:21:43] then I

[00:21:44] think the

[00:21:44] whole episode

[00:21:45] ends with

[00:21:45] the sometimes

[00:21:47] the greatest

[00:21:47] heroes are the

[00:21:48] friends that

[00:21:48] accept you for

[00:21:49] who you

[00:21:49] really are,

[00:21:50] even if that

[00:21:50] is a gigantic

[00:21:51] mega beast.

[00:21:53] I wouldn't

[00:21:53] go in that

[00:21:54] way.

[00:21:54] I think it's

[00:21:55] more about

[00:21:56] Bruce being

[00:21:58] ashamed and

[00:21:59] in a sense

[00:22:00] dishonest with

[00:22:01] his friends

[00:22:01] about the

[00:22:02] extent to

[00:22:03] which, in

[00:22:03] a sense, I

[00:22:04] say embarrassed,

[00:22:05] that's not the

[00:22:06] right word, but

[00:22:06] hates the Hulk.

[00:22:08] I think it

[00:22:09] leans into

[00:22:12] Bruce's psyche.

[00:22:13] We were

[00:22:14] talking about

[00:22:14] this just after

[00:22:15] watching the

[00:22:16] episode.

[00:22:18] it's almost

[00:22:19] the insanity

[00:22:20] of Bruce

[00:22:22] Banner.

[00:22:23] He goes to

[00:22:24] separate himself

[00:22:25] from the

[00:22:26] Hulk by

[00:22:26] doing exactly

[00:22:27] the same

[00:22:28] thing that

[00:22:28] created the

[00:22:29] Hulk and

[00:22:29] expecting

[00:22:30] something

[00:22:30] different.

[00:22:31] Doing the

[00:22:32] same thing

[00:22:32] over and

[00:22:33] over again

[00:22:33] and expecting

[00:22:34] a different

[00:22:34] outcome is

[00:22:36] the definition

[00:22:37] of insanity,

[00:22:37] I think,

[00:22:38] is what

[00:22:38] Einstein said.

[00:22:41] He says,

[00:22:42] Gamma created

[00:22:43] the monster,

[00:22:43] I'm sure

[00:22:44] Gamma can

[00:22:44] stop the

[00:22:45] monster,

[00:22:46] I'll throw

[00:22:46] even more

[00:22:47] Gamma raise

[00:22:48] into myself.

[00:22:48] And, I

[00:22:49] mean, so

[00:22:51] it's kind

[00:22:52] of, it's

[00:22:53] that Jekyll and

[00:22:54] Hyde, it's

[00:22:55] that classic

[00:22:55] Jekyll and

[00:22:56] Hyde, and

[00:22:56] he is ashamed,

[00:22:57] afraid,

[00:22:58] embarrassed,

[00:22:59] whatever it

[00:23:00] is, to

[00:23:01] show that

[00:23:03] secret side

[00:23:04] of himself.

[00:23:06] And there's

[00:23:07] many sort of

[00:23:08] parallels that

[00:23:09] you can play

[00:23:09] to that

[00:23:09] within normal

[00:23:11] life.

[00:23:11] And here

[00:23:12] it's that he

[00:23:13] is still,

[00:23:14] despite

[00:23:15] the openness,

[00:23:16] the willingness

[00:23:17] of Sam

[00:23:18] Wilson,

[00:23:19] he, you

[00:23:20] know, in

[00:23:20] a brief

[00:23:21] lapse due

[00:23:22] to, you

[00:23:25] know, stormy

[00:23:26] weather, shows

[00:23:28] that side of

[00:23:29] him.

[00:23:29] And that's

[00:23:31] where he

[00:23:32] flees, that's

[00:23:33] where then the

[00:23:33] distance comes

[00:23:34] in between

[00:23:35] Bruce Banner

[00:23:35] and Sam

[00:23:36] Wilson.

[00:23:36] It's not

[00:23:36] because of

[00:23:37] the friendship,

[00:23:37] I think Bruce

[00:23:38] probably pines

[00:23:40] for that,

[00:23:40] but he's

[00:23:42] always tried

[00:23:43] to keep

[00:23:45] himself to

[00:23:45] himself because

[00:23:46] yes, he's

[00:23:48] worried about

[00:23:48] what he does,

[00:23:49] but it's not

[00:23:49] just that

[00:23:50] outward effect

[00:23:51] of being

[00:23:52] the Hulk

[00:23:53] and causing

[00:23:55] damage or

[00:23:56] death and

[00:23:57] so on.

[00:23:57] That is part

[00:23:58] of it, but

[00:23:58] there is an

[00:23:59] internal element

[00:24:00] here because

[00:24:01] of what he's

[00:24:01] done to

[00:24:02] himself and

[00:24:03] that and

[00:24:05] what he's got

[00:24:06] to live

[00:24:06] with.

[00:24:07] And so

[00:24:08] it's that

[00:24:08] internalization

[00:24:09] of that,

[00:24:10] which Sam

[00:24:10] through the

[00:24:12] therapy sessions

[00:24:13] with the

[00:24:13] other war

[00:24:14] veterans that

[00:24:15] we see right

[00:24:15] at the start

[00:24:16] is what he's

[00:24:16] trying to do.

[00:24:16] I like the

[00:24:17] fact that they

[00:24:17] also kind of

[00:24:18] have battlefield

[00:24:20] therapy as

[00:24:21] well where

[00:24:23] the voiceover

[00:24:24] as the new

[00:24:26] mega Apex

[00:24:29] Hulk a la

[00:24:30] Bruce Banner

[00:24:32] is fighting

[00:24:33] the other

[00:24:34] Apex and

[00:24:35] doesn't really

[00:24:37] seem to be

[00:24:37] winning and

[00:24:38] so it's kind

[00:24:38] of like needs

[00:24:39] a little bit

[00:24:39] of help

[00:24:40] from his

[00:24:42] Avenger friends

[00:24:43] here with

[00:24:44] the convenient

[00:24:47] fist of

[00:24:48] Kaiju

[00:24:49] mecha

[00:24:50] Avenger

[00:24:51] and

[00:24:52] you know

[00:24:53] the fist

[00:24:53] of Kaiju

[00:24:54] yeah exactly

[00:24:55] so I kind

[00:24:56] of liked how

[00:24:57] you kind of

[00:24:58] get that little

[00:24:59] sort of parallel

[00:25:00] of this

[00:25:01] therapy session

[00:25:02] between

[00:25:03] Sam and

[00:25:04] Bruce just

[00:25:04] on the

[00:25:05] battlefield

[00:25:05] he needs a

[00:25:07] little bit of

[00:25:07] help from his

[00:25:08] friends kind

[00:25:08] of thing

[00:25:09] gets some

[00:25:10] help and is

[00:25:11] able to

[00:25:11] defeat the

[00:25:12] Kaiju

[00:25:13] and equally

[00:25:14] you kind of

[00:25:15] get that

[00:25:15] repeated again

[00:25:18] to some

[00:25:19] extent

[00:25:20] by the

[00:25:21] Watcher right

[00:25:21] at the end

[00:25:22] but also the

[00:25:23] Watcher is

[00:25:23] making that

[00:25:24] point

[00:25:24] that

[00:25:27] it's knowing

[00:25:28] your true

[00:25:29] friends

[00:25:30] are people

[00:25:31] who know

[00:25:33] you across

[00:25:34] the spectrum

[00:25:35] of you

[00:25:35] exactly

[00:25:36] and accept

[00:25:37] you for

[00:25:38] that

[00:25:38] I guess

[00:25:40] to a limit

[00:25:41] well yes

[00:25:42] hopefully not

[00:25:42] hopefully most

[00:25:43] of the

[00:25:44] friends

[00:25:45] secrets aren't

[00:25:46] that they

[00:25:46] are a

[00:25:46] mega hulk

[00:25:48] battling

[00:25:48] monster

[00:25:48] that will

[00:25:49] kill

[00:25:49] loads of

[00:25:49] people

[00:25:49] around

[00:25:50] them

[00:25:51] I'm not

[00:25:51] too sure

[00:25:52] about that

[00:25:52] final line

[00:25:52] of the episode

[00:25:53] the final line

[00:25:53] of the episode

[00:25:54] really reminded

[00:25:55] me of that

[00:25:55] sometimes it's

[00:25:57] the friends

[00:25:57] we make

[00:25:57] along the

[00:25:58] way

[00:26:04] probably not

[00:26:05] in the past

[00:26:05] but yes

[00:26:06] it is summed

[00:26:07] up with

[00:26:07] the friendship

[00:26:09] I suppose

[00:26:09] between Bruce

[00:26:10] and Sam

[00:26:10] that's the

[00:26:11] big difference

[00:26:11] because they

[00:26:12] didn't have

[00:26:12] that friendship

[00:26:13] in the MCU

[00:26:14] before

[00:26:14] and again

[00:26:15] this whole

[00:26:16] testing that

[00:26:17] Bruce does

[00:26:18] on himself

[00:26:18] to try and

[00:26:18] eliminate

[00:26:19] the hulk

[00:26:20] it's something

[00:26:20] that we

[00:26:21] didn't see

[00:26:21] as much

[00:26:22] in the MCU

[00:26:22] we saw it

[00:26:23] in the

[00:26:24] Incredible Hulk

[00:26:25] movie that

[00:26:26] Ed Norton

[00:26:27] was in

[00:26:27] that he was

[00:26:27] trying to

[00:26:28] do

[00:26:28] he was

[00:26:29] trying to

[00:26:29] do lots

[00:26:29] of experiments

[00:26:30] on himself

[00:26:30] to get rid

[00:26:30] of the hulk

[00:26:31] we definitely

[00:26:32] saw throughout

[00:26:33] this 60 or

[00:26:34] so years

[00:26:34] of the comic

[00:26:35] books

[00:26:35] that's something

[00:26:35] that often

[00:26:36] happens

[00:26:36] where Bruce

[00:26:37] tries to

[00:26:38] take the

[00:26:39] hulk out of

[00:26:40] himself

[00:26:40] and it

[00:26:41] creates an

[00:26:41] even worse

[00:26:42] monster and

[00:26:43] even worse

[00:26:43] villain

[00:26:43] and it was

[00:26:44] something that

[00:26:44] was used in

[00:26:45] the television

[00:26:46] show in the

[00:26:47] 70s

[00:26:47] he was always

[00:26:48] trying to

[00:26:48] find an

[00:26:48] experiment

[00:26:49] that would

[00:26:49] get rid

[00:26:49] of the

[00:26:49] hulk

[00:26:50] David

[00:26:50] Banner

[00:26:50] going around

[00:26:51] the country

[00:26:51] trying to

[00:26:52] find ways

[00:26:52] to rid

[00:26:53] himself

[00:26:53] of the

[00:26:53] hulk

[00:26:53] yeah

[00:26:54] and I

[00:26:54] I like

[00:26:55] that

[00:26:55] I kind

[00:26:55] of like

[00:26:56] the throw

[00:26:56] back to

[00:26:56] the earlier

[00:26:57] cartoon

[00:26:58] style

[00:26:58] as well

[00:26:59] at the

[00:26:59] start

[00:26:59] of this

[00:27:00] thought

[00:27:00] that was

[00:27:00] really

[00:27:00] nice

[00:27:01] little

[00:27:01] touch

[00:27:02] in

[00:27:02] go

[00:27:02] avengers

[00:27:03] heroes

[00:27:03] of

[00:27:04] the

[00:27:04] gamma

[00:27:04] war

[00:27:04] yes

[00:27:05] yeah

[00:27:05] I

[00:27:06] thought

[00:27:06] that was

[00:27:06] pretty cool

[00:27:07] yeah

[00:27:07] it was awesome

[00:27:08] I think

[00:27:08] that probably

[00:27:09] as well

[00:27:09] because

[00:27:09] it reminded me

[00:27:10] of myself

[00:27:10] as a kid

[00:27:11] watching

[00:27:11] yeah

[00:27:12] exactly

[00:27:12] cartoons that

[00:27:13] were created

[00:27:13] 20 or

[00:27:14] 30 years

[00:27:14] beforehand

[00:27:14] because we

[00:27:15] had no

[00:27:15] access to

[00:27:15] anything

[00:27:16] at all

[00:27:16] so we

[00:27:17] have

[00:27:17] this

[00:27:17] young

[00:27:17] girl

[00:27:17] at the

[00:27:17] beginning

[00:27:18] watching

[00:27:24] or the

[00:27:25] 70s

[00:27:25] for herself

[00:27:26] as well

[00:27:26] so I

[00:27:27] thought

[00:27:27] that was

[00:27:27] kind of

[00:27:27] cool

[00:27:28] even though

[00:27:29] I think

[00:27:29] it's a bit

[00:27:30] weird

[00:27:30] that they

[00:27:30] were

[00:27:30] talking

[00:27:31] about

[00:27:32] the

[00:27:32] heroes

[00:27:32] of

[00:27:32] the

[00:27:32] gamma

[00:27:33] war

[00:27:33] when

[00:27:34] in real

[00:27:35] life

[00:27:35] that

[00:27:35] was

[00:27:35] actually

[00:27:36] hadn't

[00:27:36] happened

[00:27:37] yet

[00:27:37] but anyway

[00:27:37] that doesn't

[00:27:38] matter

[00:27:38] it's just

[00:27:39] a cartoon

[00:27:39] it's

[00:27:40] art

[00:27:40] imitating

[00:27:40] life

[00:27:41] imitating

[00:27:41] art

[00:27:42] in life

[00:27:43] in art

[00:27:44] in life

[00:27:45] that hasn't

[00:27:45] been written

[00:27:46] yet

[00:27:46] exactly

[00:27:47] right

[00:27:47] I think

[00:27:48] that's

[00:27:48] the small

[00:27:49] change

[00:27:49] right

[00:27:49] our final

[00:27:50] one of our

[00:27:51] top three

[00:27:51] points in

[00:27:52] what if

[00:27:52] is what

[00:27:53] if the

[00:27:53] universe

[00:27:54] was changed

[00:27:54] forever

[00:27:55] this is

[00:27:55] always so

[00:27:56] difficult

[00:27:57] in the

[00:27:57] first episode

[00:27:58] of what if

[00:27:58] when we

[00:27:59] haven't seen

[00:27:59] anything else

[00:27:59] so what

[00:28:00] would be

[00:28:00] so different

[00:28:01] about the

[00:28:01] world

[00:28:02] now that

[00:28:02] we've

[00:28:02] seen

[00:28:02] this big

[00:28:03] change

[00:28:03] well

[00:28:04] that

[00:28:07] software

[00:28:07] updates

[00:28:08] can have

[00:28:08] a real

[00:28:09] powerful

[00:28:09] effect on

[00:28:10] the hardware

[00:28:11] they certainly

[00:28:11] can

[00:28:11] with the

[00:28:12] old

[00:28:13] mighty

[00:28:13] Avengers

[00:28:14] protocol

[00:28:15] creating

[00:28:17] mighty

[00:28:18] mecha

[00:28:19] mega

[00:28:20] not

[00:28:21] transformers

[00:28:22] Avengers

[00:28:23] yes

[00:28:24] yeah

[00:28:24] yes

[00:28:24] I loved

[00:28:26] it

[00:28:26] I like

[00:28:26] it reminded

[00:28:27] of Rick and

[00:28:28] Morty actually

[00:28:28] we've just

[00:28:29] seen there

[00:28:29] recently

[00:28:29] with all

[00:28:30] the

[00:28:31] go go

[00:28:32] go

[00:28:32] go bots

[00:28:33] yes

[00:28:33] exactly

[00:28:33] all the

[00:28:34] go go

[00:28:34] go

[00:28:35] bots

[00:28:35] coming

[00:28:36] together

[00:28:36] so

[00:28:37] I was

[00:28:38] like

[00:28:38] I guess

[00:28:39] there are

[00:28:40] only

[00:28:40] four stories

[00:28:41] that you

[00:28:42] can

[00:28:42] do

[00:28:42] but

[00:28:43] nonetheless

[00:28:44] I like

[00:28:45] this

[00:28:45] I like

[00:28:45] the fact

[00:28:45] that

[00:28:46] yes

[00:28:46] it

[00:28:46] shows

[00:28:47] that

[00:28:47] at least

[00:28:47] in

[00:28:47] another

[00:28:48] world

[00:28:48] somewhere

[00:28:49] software

[00:28:49] updates

[00:28:50] actually

[00:28:50] have

[00:28:51] a

[00:28:51] purpose

[00:28:51] they

[00:28:52] have

[00:28:52] a

[00:28:52] positive

[00:28:52] impact

[00:28:53] yes

[00:28:53] that

[00:28:53] you

[00:28:53] can

[00:28:54] change

[00:28:54] to

[00:28:56] all the

[00:29:03] other

[00:29:04] characters

[00:29:04] people

[00:29:07] have

[00:29:08] that

[00:29:08] but

[00:29:09] I

[00:29:09] think

[00:29:09] the

[00:29:09] major

[00:29:10] change

[00:29:10] that

[00:29:10] happens

[00:29:11] here

[00:29:11] in

[00:29:11] this

[00:29:11] particular

[00:29:12] universe

[00:29:12] and why

[00:29:12] it

[00:29:12] will

[00:29:12] be

[00:29:13] so

[00:29:13] different

[00:29:13] to

[00:29:14] all

[00:29:14] the

[00:29:14] other

[00:29:15] universes

[00:29:16] in

[00:29:16] the

[00:29:16] multiverse

[00:29:16] is

[00:29:16] that

[00:29:17] all

[00:29:17] the

[00:29:17] Avengers

[00:29:17] are

[00:29:18] dead

[00:29:18] all

[00:29:18] the

[00:29:18] original

[00:29:18] Avengers

[00:29:19] all five

[00:29:19] of

[00:29:19] them

[00:29:20] are

[00:29:20] dead

[00:29:22] by

[00:30:04] the

[00:30:05] and

[00:30:07] the

[00:30:07] other

[00:30:09] guy

[00:30:09] and

[00:30:09] this

[00:30:10] show's

[00:30:11] premise

[00:30:11] he is

[00:30:11] hating

[00:30:12] the

[00:30:12] Hulk

[00:30:12] at

[00:30:12] the

[00:30:12] beginning

[00:30:13] and

[00:30:13] by

[00:30:13] the

[00:30:13] end

[00:30:14] he's

[00:30:14] no

[00:30:15] longer

[00:30:15] that

[00:30:15] he's

[00:30:15] no

[00:30:15] longer

[00:30:16] separated

[00:30:16] into

[00:30:17] Bruce

[00:30:18] being in

[00:30:19] control

[00:30:19] of the

[00:30:19] monster

[00:30:19] the

[00:30:20] monster

[00:30:20] is

[00:30:20] now

[00:30:20] in

[00:30:20] control

[00:30:21] yes

[00:30:21] it's

[00:30:22] 90%

[00:30:23] Hulk

[00:30:23] and

[00:30:24] Mega

[00:30:24] Hulk

[00:30:24] and

[00:30:25] Mega

[00:30:25] Hulk

[00:30:26] Apex

[00:30:27] Hulk

[00:30:28] but

[00:30:28] at

[00:30:28] least

[00:30:28] he

[00:30:28] remembers

[00:30:29] his

[00:30:29] friends

[00:30:29] so

[00:30:29] it's

[00:30:30] okay

[00:30:30] well

[00:30:30] that

[00:30:31] close

[00:30:31] up

[00:30:31] I

[00:30:52] soothing

[00:30:53] tones

[00:30:53] shouldn't

[00:30:53] he

[00:30:54] have

[00:30:54] to

[00:30:54] run

[00:30:54] around

[00:30:54] the

[00:30:54] side

[00:30:55] to

[00:30:55] shake

[00:30:55] into

[00:30:55] his

[00:30:56] ear

[00:30:56] it's

[00:30:57] massive

[00:30:58] while

[00:30:59] I

[00:30:59] was

[00:30:59] watching

[00:30:59] at

[00:30:59] 8 o'clock

[00:31:00] in

[00:31:21] the

[00:31:22] whole

[00:31:23] but

[00:31:23] the

[00:31:24] one

[00:31:24] big

[00:31:24] thing

[00:31:24] is

[00:31:24] right

[00:31:24] at

[00:31:25] the

[00:31:25] end

[00:31:25] Hulk

[00:31:25] taking

[00:31:26] the

[00:31:26] Gamma

[00:31:27] Beasts

[00:31:27] off

[00:31:27] to

[00:31:28] their

[00:31:28] own

[00:31:28] island

[00:31:29] I

[00:31:29] wonder

[00:31:30] what

[00:31:30] this

[00:31:30] could

[00:31:30] mean

[00:31:31] in

[00:31:31] the

[00:31:31] future

[00:31:31] I

[00:31:51] because

[00:31:51] in

[00:31:52] the

[00:31:52] comic

[00:31:52] books

[00:31:52] there's

[00:31:53] the

[00:31:53] more

[00:31:54] recent

[00:31:54] Secret

[00:31:55] Wars

[00:31:55] storyline

[00:31:56] where

[00:31:56] an

[00:31:56] entire

[00:31:56] planet

[00:31:57] is

[00:31:57] built

[00:31:57] out

[00:31:57] of

[00:31:58] other

[00:31:58] elements

[00:31:58] of

[00:31:59] the

[00:31:59] multiverse

[00:31:59] and

[00:32:00] one

[00:32:00] of

[00:32:00] those

[00:32:00] areas

[00:32:00] is

[00:32:01] planet

[00:32:01] Hulk

[00:32:02] effectively

[00:32:02] which

[00:32:03] is

[00:32:03] a

[00:32:03] place

[00:32:04] in

[00:32:04] battle

[00:32:04] world

[00:32:04] this

[00:32:05] world

[00:32:06] made up

[00:32:06] of

[00:32:06] various

[00:32:07] different

[00:32:07] multiverses

[00:32:08] which

[00:32:08] only

[00:32:09] has

[00:32:09] Hulks

[00:32:10] there

[00:32:10] now

[00:32:10] in

[00:32:11] this

[00:32:11] case

[00:32:11] it's

[00:32:11] Hulk

[00:32:11] and

[00:32:12] no

[00:32:12] criticism

[00:32:13] of the

[00:32:13] animators

[00:32:14] at all

[00:32:14] but

[00:32:15] a

[00:32:15] thousand

[00:32:15] replicas

[00:32:16] of

[00:32:16] exactly

[00:32:16] the

[00:32:16] same

[00:32:16] they

[00:32:17] all

[00:32:17] look

[00:32:18] exactly

[00:32:18] the

[00:32:18] same

[00:32:18] which

[00:32:19] again

[00:32:19] is

[00:32:19] not

[00:32:20] a

[00:32:20] callback

[00:32:20] to

[00:32:20] old

[00:32:21] animated

[00:32:22] styles

[00:32:22] but

[00:32:22] it

[00:32:23] is

[00:32:23] just

[00:32:23] Hulk

[00:32:23] and

[00:32:24] the

[00:32:25] Red

[00:32:25] Hulk

[00:32:26] and

[00:32:26] loads

[00:32:26] of

[00:32:26] different

[00:32:27] versions

[00:32:27] and

[00:32:27] abomination

[00:32:28] all

[00:32:28] those

[00:32:28] different

[00:32:29] Hulks

[00:32:29] all being

[00:32:30] in one

[00:32:30] place

[00:32:30] it's

[00:32:31] Hulk

[00:32:31] leading

[00:32:31] a

[00:32:44] of

[00:32:44] the

[00:32:44] season

[00:32:44] well

[00:32:45] Secret

[00:32:45] War

[00:32:46] is

[00:32:46] the

[00:32:47] kind

[00:32:47] of

[00:32:47] thing

[00:32:47] that

[00:32:48] we're

[00:32:48] saying

[00:32:48] it's

[00:32:48] going

[00:32:49] towards

[00:32:49] so

[00:32:50] battle

[00:32:52] and I

[00:32:52] have been

[00:32:53] wishing

[00:32:53] that

[00:32:54] at least

[00:32:54] since

[00:32:54] sort

[00:32:54] of

[00:32:55] the

[00:32:55] first

[00:32:55] Doctor

[00:32:55] Strange

[00:32:56] and so

[00:32:57] on

[00:32:57] incursions

[00:32:59] and all

[00:33:00] that

[00:33:00] kind

[00:33:00] of

[00:33:00] stuff

[00:33:01] so

[00:33:01] yeah

[00:33:01] and

[00:33:02] who

[00:33:03] knows

[00:33:03] I

[00:33:03] mean

[00:33:03] that

[00:33:03] would

[00:33:03] be

[00:33:03] quite

[00:33:04] good

[00:33:04] you've

[00:33:04] got

[00:33:04] yeah

[00:33:04] battle

[00:33:06] world

[00:33:06] the

[00:33:06] Hulks

[00:33:07] on an

[00:33:07] island

[00:33:07] and

[00:33:08] I

[00:33:08] mean

[00:33:09] I

[00:33:09] was

[00:33:09] even

[00:33:09] wondering

[00:33:09] whether

[00:33:09] there

[00:33:10] was

[00:33:10] a

[00:33:10] world

[00:33:10] war

[00:33:10] Hulk

[00:33:11] element

[00:33:11] here

[00:33:12] whereby

[00:33:12] you know

[00:33:13] you've

[00:33:14] now

[00:33:14] got

[00:33:14] mega

[00:33:15] super

[00:33:16] strong

[00:33:17] apex

[00:33:18] Hulk

[00:33:20] that's

[00:33:20] so

[00:33:21] powerful

[00:33:21] has

[00:33:22] you know

[00:33:23] I mean

[00:33:23] not only

[00:33:24] did he

[00:33:25] get more

[00:33:26] gamma

[00:33:26] radiation

[00:33:27] again

[00:33:28] from

[00:33:28] the

[00:33:29] nuclear

[00:33:29] blast

[00:33:30] after

[00:33:31] he had

[00:33:31] tried to

[00:33:32] separate

[00:33:32] his two

[00:33:33] forms

[00:33:34] and

[00:33:35] that's

[00:33:36] like

[00:33:36] third

[00:33:36] dose

[00:33:37] I

[00:33:38] mean

[00:33:38] like

[00:33:39] he

[00:33:39] literally

[00:33:39] snorted

[00:33:40] the

[00:33:41] apex

[00:33:41] Hulk

[00:33:43] that

[00:33:43] he

[00:33:43] destroyed

[00:33:44] yeah

[00:33:44] so

[00:33:45] it's

[00:33:45] kind of

[00:33:45] like

[00:33:46] another

[00:33:46] dosing

[00:33:47] of

[00:33:47] I

[00:33:47] mean

[00:33:48] this

[00:33:48] is

[00:33:48] like

[00:33:48] drug

[00:33:49] Hulk

[00:33:50] effectively

[00:33:50] snorting

[00:33:52] the

[00:33:52] powdered

[00:33:53] remains

[00:33:54] of his

[00:33:56] adversary

[00:33:57] so

[00:33:58] like

[00:33:59] you know

[00:33:59] he should

[00:34:00] be

[00:34:00] massively

[00:34:00] overpowered

[00:34:01] it was

[00:34:01] only because

[00:34:02] of the

[00:34:02] soothing

[00:34:02] words

[00:34:03] of Sam

[00:34:03] yeah

[00:34:04] that

[00:34:04] like

[00:34:05] he

[00:34:05] kind

[00:34:05] of

[00:34:05] turned

[00:34:05] around

[00:34:06] and

[00:34:06] left

[00:34:07] yeah

[00:34:07] but

[00:34:07] that

[00:34:07] could

[00:34:08] change

[00:34:08] and

[00:34:09] I'm

[00:34:09] just

[00:34:09] always

[00:34:10] thinking

[00:34:10] of

[00:34:11] you know

[00:34:11] World War

[00:34:12] Hulk

[00:34:12] which I

[00:34:13] thought

[00:34:13] was

[00:34:14] really

[00:34:15] really

[00:34:15] good

[00:34:15] I

[00:34:16] enjoyed

[00:34:16] that

[00:34:16] and

[00:34:17] I

[00:34:17] love

[00:34:18] the

[00:34:18] fact

[00:34:18] that

[00:34:18] you

[00:34:18] had

[00:34:18] Doctor

[00:34:19] Strange

[00:34:19] being

[00:34:19] the

[00:34:20] only

[00:34:20] person

[00:34:20] that

[00:34:20] could

[00:34:20] actually

[00:34:21] control

[00:34:22] the

[00:34:22] Hulk

[00:34:22] through

[00:34:23] the

[00:34:23] magic

[00:34:24] and

[00:34:25] whether

[00:34:26] but also

[00:34:27] the Hulk

[00:34:27] sort of

[00:34:28] being

[00:34:28] so

[00:34:28] powerful

[00:34:29] and

[00:34:30] like you

[00:34:31] say

[00:34:31] the bigger

[00:34:32] they get

[00:34:32] the more

[00:34:33] powerful

[00:34:33] they are

[00:34:34] that notion

[00:34:34] of size

[00:34:34] matters

[00:34:35] I guess

[00:34:36] in terms

[00:34:36] of the

[00:34:36] power

[00:34:37] of the

[00:34:37] Hulk

[00:34:37] and

[00:34:38] so

[00:34:39] you know

[00:34:39] it was

[00:34:41] I was wondering

[00:34:42] whether that

[00:34:42] might

[00:34:43] you might see

[00:34:43] some kind of

[00:34:44] battle royale

[00:34:45] there

[00:34:45] and I

[00:34:45] think

[00:34:46] as the

[00:34:46] watcher

[00:34:46] says

[00:34:46] at the

[00:34:47] beginning

[00:34:47] of the

[00:34:47] episode

[00:34:47] big

[00:34:48] things

[00:34:48] come

[00:34:48] from

[00:34:49] small

[00:34:49] beginnings

[00:34:49] so

[00:34:50] yeah

[00:34:50] so

[00:34:50] similar

[00:34:51] to

[00:34:51] the

[00:34:51] Hulk

[00:34:51] starting

[00:34:52] out

[00:34:52] small

[00:34:52] and becoming

[00:34:53] this

[00:34:53] monster

[00:34:53] beast

[00:34:54] yeah

[00:34:54] yeah

[00:34:55] but I think

[00:34:55] those are the

[00:34:56] major

[00:34:56] things

[00:34:56] that change

[00:34:57] this

[00:34:57] universe

[00:34:58] in comparison

[00:34:59] to other

[00:34:59] parts

[00:35:00] of the

[00:35:00] multiverse

[00:35:01] other areas

[00:35:01] of the

[00:35:02] universe

[00:35:02] but as

[00:35:03] with all

[00:35:03] the other

[00:35:03] seasons

[00:35:04] it's really

[00:35:04] likely

[00:35:04] these

[00:35:05] episodes

[00:35:05] will build

[00:35:05] to some

[00:35:06] form

[00:35:06] of end

[00:35:07] given

[00:35:08] this is the

[00:35:08] final season

[00:35:08] I think

[00:35:09] everything

[00:35:09] that's

[00:35:09] going

[00:35:09] to be

[00:35:10] on

[00:35:10] screen

[00:35:10] throughout

[00:35:10] the season

[00:35:11] is going

[00:35:11] to play

[00:35:11] into that

[00:35:12] final episode

[00:35:12] I have no

[00:35:13] idea how

[00:35:14] it's going

[00:35:14] to but

[00:35:15] I would

[00:35:15] say as we

[00:35:16] have more

[00:35:16] episodes

[00:35:18] released

[00:35:18] we'll see

[00:35:19] how this

[00:35:20] plays out

[00:35:20] yeah

[00:35:21] definitely

[00:35:22] any notes

[00:35:23] anything else

[00:35:23] from the episode

[00:35:24] we haven't

[00:35:24] mentioned

[00:35:24] John

[00:35:25] that you

[00:35:25] wanted to

[00:35:25] mention

[00:35:25] the only

[00:35:26] notes

[00:35:27] I've got

[00:35:27] really

[00:35:28] I think

[00:35:29] are

[00:35:29] like again

[00:35:30] the animation

[00:35:31] is top

[00:35:32] notch

[00:35:32] here

[00:35:32] really good

[00:35:34] as I said

[00:35:35] I loved

[00:35:35] the sort

[00:35:36] of 80s

[00:35:37] Marvel

[00:35:37] cartoon

[00:35:38] inspiration

[00:35:39] at the

[00:35:39] start

[00:35:39] as well

[00:35:40] and you

[00:35:41] kind of

[00:35:41] get that

[00:35:42] sense

[00:35:42] of era

[00:35:43] from them

[00:35:43] you know

[00:35:44] I'm pleased

[00:35:45] that Similu

[00:35:46] was in

[00:35:46] there

[00:35:47] as Shang-Chi

[00:35:49] as well

[00:35:50] as Oscar

[00:35:52] Isaacs

[00:35:52] as Mark

[00:35:53] Spector

[00:35:53] I just

[00:35:53] kind of

[00:35:54] wish they

[00:35:54] had stood

[00:35:55] out a bit

[00:35:56] more but

[00:35:56] ultimately

[00:35:56] this was

[00:35:57] Sam and

[00:35:57] Bruce's

[00:35:58] story

[00:35:59] you know

[00:36:00] and of

[00:36:01] the new

[00:36:01] Avengers

[00:36:02] it was

[00:36:02] Monica

[00:36:03] and Sam

[00:36:04] really

[00:36:04] were the

[00:36:04] main

[00:36:05] protagonist

[00:36:05] so

[00:36:05] like

[00:36:07] that's

[00:36:07] fine

[00:36:07] but

[00:36:08] it's

[00:36:08] nice

[00:36:08] to

[00:36:08] see

[00:36:08] them

[00:36:09] in

[00:36:09] there

[00:36:09] I

[00:36:09] think

[00:36:10] it's

[00:36:10] just

[00:36:10] one

[00:36:10] of

[00:36:10] those

[00:36:10] things

[00:36:11] like

[00:36:11] in

[00:36:11] the comics

[00:36:12] when you've

[00:36:12] got a

[00:36:12] cross out

[00:36:13] between

[00:36:13] characters

[00:36:13] you really want

[00:36:14] to see

[00:36:14] them

[00:36:14] interact

[00:36:15] with each

[00:36:15] other

[00:36:15] more

[00:36:16] I'd love

[00:36:16] to see

[00:36:16] Oscar

[00:36:16] Isaac

[00:36:17] on screen

[00:36:17] with Similu

[00:36:18] in the future

[00:36:19] hopefully we will

[00:36:20] hopefully we'll

[00:36:21] see that in

[00:36:21] live action

[00:36:22] at some point

[00:36:22] in the future

[00:36:23] but this was

[00:36:24] kind of

[00:36:24] a good grouping

[00:36:25] of people

[00:36:25] I really liked

[00:36:26] the cast

[00:36:27] they got

[00:36:27] together

[00:36:27] it's a massive

[00:36:28] cast

[00:36:28] most of the

[00:36:29] actors were

[00:36:30] pleasing their

[00:36:30] roles from

[00:36:30] the MCU

[00:36:31] characters that

[00:36:32] they played

[00:36:32] as well

[00:36:33] which is

[00:36:33] great

[00:36:33] there's not

[00:36:34] very many

[00:36:34] actors that

[00:36:35] play the

[00:36:37] characters

[00:36:37] differently

[00:36:37] one for me

[00:36:38] that I really

[00:36:39] liked

[00:36:39] and again

[00:36:39] you've already

[00:36:40] mentioned

[00:36:40] the animation

[00:36:40] style

[00:36:41] but one that

[00:36:41] I really

[00:36:41] liked

[00:36:42] was the

[00:36:42] way they did

[00:36:43] the first

[00:36:44] Gamma War

[00:36:44] and it

[00:36:45] looked like

[00:36:45] the static

[00:36:46] panels

[00:36:46] from a

[00:36:47] comic book

[00:36:47] really well

[00:36:48] really

[00:36:48] different

[00:36:49] artwork

[00:36:50] that was

[00:36:50] used for

[00:36:50] that

[00:36:51] and the

[00:36:51] animation

[00:36:52] for the

[00:36:52] Go Avengers

[00:36:53] here is the

[00:36:54] Gamma War

[00:36:54] thing at

[00:36:55] the beginning

[00:36:55] and the rest

[00:36:57] stood out as

[00:36:58] being very

[00:36:58] different styles

[00:36:59] of animation

[00:37:00] throughout

[00:37:00] but I kind

[00:37:01] of love the

[00:37:01] idea of

[00:37:02] having the

[00:37:02] Avengers

[00:37:03] style of

[00:37:03] animation

[00:37:04] as they're

[00:37:05] going through

[00:37:05] the first

[00:37:05] Gamma War

[00:37:06] being this

[00:37:07] much more

[00:37:08] detailed

[00:37:08] animation

[00:37:09] for static

[00:37:09] panels

[00:37:10] than we have

[00:37:11] for the

[00:37:11] computer

[00:37:11] animated

[00:37:12] version

[00:37:13] that we have

[00:37:13] in What If

[00:37:14] and I thought

[00:37:14] that was cool

[00:37:15] so that just

[00:37:16] leaves us with

[00:37:16] one question

[00:37:17] John

[00:37:17] do you defend

[00:37:17] season 3

[00:37:18] episode 1

[00:37:19] what if Hulk

[00:37:20] fought the

[00:37:20] Mech Avengers

[00:37:21] where would

[00:37:22] we be putting

[00:37:23] this on the

[00:37:23] ratings

[00:37:24] John

[00:37:24] I do

[00:37:26] defend this

[00:37:26] just

[00:37:27] I'd give

[00:37:28] this 3

[00:37:29] snorting

[00:37:30] apexes

[00:37:31] out of 5

[00:37:33] I thought

[00:37:34] this was

[00:37:34] weird fun

[00:37:35] to be honest

[00:37:36] slightly

[00:37:37] incomprehensible

[00:37:38] fun

[00:37:38] as I said

[00:37:39] we have

[00:37:40] Bruce Banner

[00:37:41] deploying himself

[00:37:42] in an atomic

[00:37:42] bomb

[00:37:43] we have

[00:37:44] a

[00:37:45] kaiju battle

[00:37:46] that ends

[00:37:47] up with

[00:37:48] Bruce Banner

[00:37:48] kaiju

[00:37:49] snorting

[00:37:50] the remains

[00:37:51] of his

[00:37:51] enemy

[00:37:51] I think

[00:37:53] it is a

[00:37:53] bit of a

[00:37:54] smorgasbord

[00:37:55] of just

[00:37:55] references

[00:37:57] don't I say

[00:37:58] it

[00:37:59] I know the

[00:38:00] premise

[00:38:01] of What If

[00:38:02] that's the

[00:38:02] original side

[00:38:03] of it

[00:38:03] something just

[00:38:05] a bit more

[00:38:05] original

[00:38:06] I get it

[00:38:08] they're

[00:38:08] Godzilla's

[00:38:09] but just

[00:38:10] do it

[00:38:10] different

[00:38:11] have them

[00:38:11] as humans

[00:38:12] rather than

[00:38:13] these

[00:38:14] creatures

[00:38:15] like they

[00:38:16] did in

[00:38:16] World War

[00:38:17] Hulk

[00:38:17] to an

[00:38:17] extent

[00:38:18] bigger

[00:38:19] hulks

[00:38:19] just

[00:38:19] bigger

[00:38:20] hulks

[00:38:20] rather than

[00:38:21] with

[00:38:21] scales

[00:38:22] and

[00:38:23] horns

[00:38:23] and

[00:38:24] you know

[00:38:25] stegosaurus

[00:38:26] plates

[00:38:26] going down

[00:38:27] the back

[00:38:27] a little bit

[00:38:28] like

[00:38:28] abomination

[00:38:29] though

[00:38:29] we've seen

[00:38:29] that as

[00:38:30] one of

[00:38:30] the

[00:38:30] hulks

[00:38:30] but I

[00:38:31] just

[00:38:32] kind of

[00:38:35] do something

[00:38:36] different

[00:38:36] as I say

[00:38:38] because otherwise

[00:38:38] it just becomes

[00:38:39] a Russian doll

[00:38:39] of animations

[00:38:40] someone did it

[00:38:41] before Rick

[00:38:42] and Morty

[00:38:42] but they do

[00:38:44] it in a

[00:38:45] funny

[00:38:45] that's the

[00:38:46] original way

[00:38:46] here

[00:38:47] I just

[00:38:48] feel like

[00:38:48] Rick and

[00:38:49] Morty

[00:38:49] did it

[00:38:49] better

[00:38:51] that's

[00:38:52] my

[00:38:53] problem

[00:38:53] but I

[00:38:57] do

[00:38:57] think

[00:38:57] this is

[00:38:58] enjoyable

[00:38:58] and

[00:38:59] weird

[00:39:00] fun

[00:39:00] if you

[00:39:00] just

[00:39:00] let go

[00:39:03] with the

[00:39:03] flow of

[00:39:04] the river

[00:39:05] where it's

[00:39:06] going

[00:39:06] is the

[00:39:07] thing

[00:39:07] that is

[00:39:08] why

[00:39:08] I

[00:39:08] would

[00:39:09] defend

[00:39:09] it

[00:39:09] because

[00:39:10] it is

[00:39:10] the first

[00:39:11] episode

[00:39:12] of a

[00:39:12] new

[00:39:12] series

[00:39:13] I

[00:39:13] think

[00:39:14] the

[00:39:15] overarching

[00:39:16] plot

[00:39:17] has always

[00:39:18] been really

[00:39:19] good in

[00:39:19] what if

[00:39:20] along with

[00:39:21] the central

[00:39:22] episodic

[00:39:22] what if

[00:39:23] premise

[00:39:23] I just

[00:39:24] think

[00:39:24] here

[00:39:26] I just

[00:39:27] find it

[00:39:27] very

[00:39:27] difficult

[00:39:28] to

[00:39:28] connect

[00:39:29] with it

[00:39:30] because

[00:39:30] it just

[00:39:31] felt like

[00:39:32] plagiarism

[00:39:32] on an

[00:39:33] animation

[00:39:34] and

[00:39:35] I've

[00:39:36] just seen

[00:39:37] it

[00:39:37] I think

[00:39:39] it's

[00:39:39] probably

[00:39:39] because

[00:39:40] you only

[00:39:40] watched

[00:39:40] that

[00:39:40] episode

[00:39:41] of Rick

[00:39:41] and Morty

[00:39:41] this

[00:39:41] week

[00:39:42] you've

[00:39:42] seen

[00:39:42] it

[00:39:42] six or

[00:39:43] seven

[00:39:43] years

[00:39:43] ago

[00:39:44] which

[00:39:44] you did

[00:39:44] originally

[00:39:44] when it

[00:39:45] was

[00:39:45] released

[00:39:45] or five

[00:39:46] or six

[00:39:46] years

[00:39:46] ago

[00:39:46] which

[00:39:47] you did

[00:39:47] originally

[00:39:48] but I

[00:39:48] think

[00:39:48] it's

[00:39:48] probably

[00:39:48] fresh in

[00:39:49] your mind

[00:39:49] that it

[00:39:49] was

[00:39:49] just

[00:39:49] done

[00:39:50] recently

[00:39:50] in a

[00:39:51] very

[00:39:51] different

[00:39:51] way

[00:39:52] of

[00:39:52] course

[00:39:53] but there

[00:39:53] were some

[00:39:53] good

[00:39:54] elements

[00:39:54] in here

[00:39:54] I like

[00:39:55] the Sam

[00:39:55] and Bruce

[00:39:57] moment

[00:39:58] and I

[00:39:59] liked how

[00:40:00] that played

[00:40:00] out

[00:40:01] but

[00:40:03] yeah

[00:40:04] it's

[00:40:05] one of

[00:40:06] those

[00:40:06] things

[00:40:06] I'm

[00:40:06] not

[00:40:07] entirely

[00:40:07] sure

[00:40:07] where

[00:40:07] this

[00:40:07] is

[00:40:08] coming

[00:40:08] from

[00:40:08] and

[00:40:09] maybe

[00:40:09] by

[00:40:09] the

[00:40:09] end

[00:40:10] of

[00:40:10] it

[00:40:10] I

[00:40:10] will

[00:40:11] understand

[00:40:11] where

[00:40:12] it's

[00:40:12] placed

[00:40:13] and why

[00:40:13] it's

[00:40:13] placed

[00:40:14] like

[00:40:14] this

[00:40:14] and

[00:40:14] I'm

[00:40:14] hoping

[00:40:15] ultimately

[00:40:16] that it

[00:40:17] is

[00:40:17] as you

[00:40:19] theorized

[00:40:20] similar to

[00:40:21] Battleworld

[00:40:22] in the

[00:40:22] Secret War

[00:40:23] comics

[00:40:23] that the

[00:40:24] Hulk's

[00:40:24] in the

[00:40:24] Hulk

[00:40:25] Island

[00:40:25] will

[00:40:25] come

[00:40:26] back

[00:40:26] there is

[00:40:27] a meaning

[00:40:27] here

[00:40:28] I'm

[00:40:29] sure

[00:40:29] there is

[00:40:29] for sure

[00:40:31] so

[00:40:32] yeah

[00:40:32] and I

[00:40:33] think

[00:40:33] the

[00:40:33] placement

[00:40:34] of it

[00:40:34] again

[00:40:35] we talked

[00:40:35] about that

[00:40:36] a bit

[00:40:36] at the

[00:40:36] start

[00:40:37] that's

[00:40:38] fine

[00:40:38] I'm

[00:40:39] happy

[00:40:39] for it

[00:40:40] to be

[00:40:40] loose

[00:40:40] free

[00:40:41] and

[00:40:41] loose

[00:40:41] but

[00:40:43] I do

[00:40:44] think

[00:40:44] given

[00:40:45] the

[00:40:46] standard

[00:40:46] that

[00:40:46] Marvel

[00:40:47] puts

[00:40:47] on

[00:40:47] itself

[00:40:48] maybe

[00:40:49] the

[00:40:49] watcher

[00:40:49] could

[00:40:49] have

[00:40:49] just

[00:40:50] said

[00:40:50] where

[00:40:50] it

[00:40:50] came

[00:40:51] in

[00:40:51] a

[00:40:51] bit

[00:40:51] better

[00:40:52] right

[00:40:52] okay

[00:40:53] yep

[00:40:53] gotcha

[00:40:54] but

[00:40:55] so

[00:40:55] yeah

[00:40:55] three

[00:40:56] snorting

[00:40:57] kaijus

[00:40:58] out of

[00:40:58] five

[00:40:59] Derek

[00:41:00] do you

[00:41:01] defend

[00:41:01] this

[00:41:01] episode

[00:41:02] of

[00:41:02] what

[00:41:03] if

[00:41:03] it

[00:41:04] was

[00:41:04] fine

[00:41:04] I

[00:41:04] suppose

[00:41:05] to

[00:41:05] your

[00:41:05] point

[00:41:06] what

[00:41:06] makes

[00:41:07] it

[00:41:07] interesting

[00:41:07] for me

[00:41:07] is

[00:41:08] I've

[00:41:08] always

[00:41:08] wanted

[00:41:08] what

[00:41:08] if

[00:41:09] to be

[00:41:09] just

[00:41:09] one

[00:41:30] that's

[00:41:30] why

[00:41:31] I

[00:41:31] think

[00:41:31] of

[00:41:31] them

[00:41:31] but

[00:41:32] honestly

[00:41:33] I was

[00:41:33] watching it

[00:41:34] with

[00:41:34] a bowl

[00:41:34] of cereal

[00:41:34] because

[00:41:34] it

[00:41:34] comes

[00:41:35] out

[00:41:35] at

[00:41:35] eight

[00:41:35] o'clock

[00:41:35] I was

[00:41:35] watching

[00:41:36] a bowl

[00:41:36] of cereal

[00:41:36] and a cup

[00:41:37] of coffee

[00:41:37] and going

[00:41:37] this is

[00:41:38] fun

[00:41:38] Saturday

[00:41:38] morning

[00:41:39] cartoon

[00:41:39] awesome

[00:41:41] enjoyable

[00:41:42] but

[00:41:44] overall

[00:41:44] kind of

[00:41:45] meaningless

[00:41:45] and I

[00:41:46] kind of

[00:41:46] used to

[00:41:46] feel

[00:41:46] that

[00:41:47] about

[00:41:47] the

[00:41:47] what

[00:41:47] if

[00:41:47] comics

[00:41:47] you'd

[00:41:48] pick

[00:41:48] them

[00:41:48] up

[00:41:48] you'd

[00:41:48] read

[00:41:48] them

[00:41:49] there's

[00:41:49] only

[00:41:50] a pound

[00:41:51] at the

[00:41:51] time

[00:41:51] when you're

[00:41:51] reading

[00:41:52] them

[00:41:52] or a

[00:41:52] euro

[00:42:00] for

[00:42:00] the

[00:42:01] Avengers

[00:42:01] I thought

[00:42:02] that was

[00:42:02] quite

[00:42:02] cool

[00:42:02] I thought

[00:42:03] it was

[00:42:04] really

[00:42:04] interesting

[00:42:04] they did

[00:42:04] the

[00:42:05] static

[00:42:06] panels

[00:42:06] for the

[00:42:07] first

[00:42:07] game

[00:42:07] of war

[00:42:07] with

[00:42:08] our

[00:42:08] original

[00:42:08] Avengers

[00:42:09] characters

[00:42:09] we didn't

[00:42:09] give them

[00:42:10] any

[00:42:10] screen

[00:42:10] time

[00:42:10] we didn't

[00:42:11] give

[00:42:11] any

[00:42:11] voice

[00:42:11] work

[00:42:12] to

[00:42:12] the

[00:42:12] actors

[00:42:13] who

[00:42:13] played

[00:42:13] the

[00:42:13] major

[00:42:14] roles

[00:42:14] we saw

[00:42:14] through

[00:42:59] Avengers

[00:43:00] I think

[00:43:01] the

[00:43:01] thing

[00:43:01] is

[00:43:02] the

[00:43:03] episodic

[00:43:04] element

[00:43:04] of it

[00:43:04] I

[00:43:05] don't

[00:43:06] have

[00:43:06] a

[00:43:06] problem

[00:43:06] with

[00:43:07] but

[00:43:08] even

[00:43:08] episodic

[00:43:10] episodes

[00:43:12] can be

[00:43:13] absolutely

[00:43:14] fantastic

[00:43:14] even

[00:43:15] like

[00:43:16] the

[00:43:16] 1602

[00:43:16] one

[00:43:17] you know

[00:43:18] that's

[00:43:18] a riff

[00:43:19] and a

[00:43:20] reference

[00:43:20] to the

[00:43:20] 1602

[00:43:21] comic

[00:43:21] done by

[00:43:22] Neil Gaiman

[00:43:22] great

[00:43:23] it's not

[00:43:24] in that

[00:43:24] sense

[00:43:25] original

[00:43:25] but they

[00:43:26] do play

[00:43:26] around

[00:43:26] with it

[00:43:27] and it

[00:43:27] goes

[00:43:28] into

[00:43:29] exactly

[00:43:29] and it

[00:43:30] goes

[00:43:30] into

[00:43:30] obviously

[00:43:31] the

[00:43:31] overarching

[00:43:32] storyline

[00:43:32] of

[00:43:33] season

[00:43:34] two

[00:43:34] really

[00:43:35] really

[00:43:35] good

[00:43:36] this

[00:43:36] to

[00:43:36] me

[00:43:36] is

[00:43:37] I

[00:43:37] think

[00:43:37] because

[00:43:38] there's

[00:43:38] been

[00:43:38] so

[00:43:38] many

[00:43:38] releases

[00:43:39] of

[00:43:39] Godzilla

[00:43:40] the

[00:43:41] element

[00:43:41] of

[00:43:41] Kaiju

[00:43:42] Pacific

[00:43:43] Rim

[00:43:43] Transformers

[00:43:44] like

[00:43:45] this

[00:43:45] to me

[00:43:46] just

[00:44:01] that's

[00:44:01] that's

[00:44:02] my

[00:44:02] that's

[00:44:02] kind

[00:44:03] of

[00:44:03] issue

[00:44:04] with

[00:44:04] it

[00:44:04] is

[00:44:04] that

[00:44:05] it's

[00:44:05] just

[00:44:05] really

[00:44:05] kind

[00:44:06] of

[00:44:06] the

[00:44:06] premise

[00:44:07] of

[00:44:07] Kaiju's

[00:44:08] mecha

[00:44:09] this

[00:44:09] mecha

[00:44:10] that

[00:44:10] mega

[00:44:11] this

[00:44:11] mega

[00:44:12] that

[00:44:12] is a

[00:44:13] little

[00:44:13] bit

[00:44:13] overused

[00:44:14] at the

[00:44:14] moment

[00:44:14] and this

[00:44:15] is the

[00:44:15] reason

[00:44:15] why we

[00:44:15] don't

[00:44:16] subscribe

[00:44:16] to

[00:44:16] Crunchyroll

[00:44:17] which

[00:44:17] is 600

[00:44:18] animes

[00:44:18] of

[00:44:19] robots

[00:44:20] that

[00:44:20] gather

[00:44:21] together

[00:44:21] to form

[00:44:21] bigger

[00:44:21] robots

[00:44:22] to fight

[00:44:22] off

[00:44:23] monsters

[00:44:23] and other

[00:44:24] robots

[00:44:24] that is

[00:44:25] basically

[00:44:25] the premise

[00:44:26] of 90%

[00:44:27] of animes

[00:44:28] this is

[00:44:28] obviously

[00:44:28] the reason

[00:44:29] why we

[00:44:29] don't

[00:44:29] subscribe

[00:44:29] to that

[00:44:30] John

[00:44:30] because

[00:44:30] you

[00:44:30] have

[00:44:31] no

[00:44:31] interest

[00:44:31] in

[00:44:31] watching

[00:44:31] that

[00:44:32] many

[00:44:32] because

[00:44:32] I get

[00:44:32] those

[00:44:33] other

[00:44:33] references

[00:44:33] not the

[00:44:34] most recent

[00:44:34] ones

[00:44:35] not the

[00:44:36] ones

[00:44:36] that we've

[00:44:36] seen

[00:44:36] in movies

[00:44:37] I get

[00:44:38] those old

[00:44:38] references

[00:44:38] to

[00:44:39] Voltron

[00:44:39] and to

[00:44:40] Battle

[00:44:40] of

[00:44:40] Planets

[00:44:40] shows

[00:44:41] that I

[00:44:41] absolutely

[00:44:41] loved

[00:44:41] when I

[00:44:42] was

[00:44:42] a

[00:44:54] just

[00:44:54] yeah

[00:44:55] I defended

[00:44:55] as well

[00:44:56] but it's

[00:44:56] not up

[00:44:56] there

[00:44:57] right now

[00:44:57] maybe again

[00:44:58] it will

[00:44:58] increase

[00:44:58] as the

[00:44:59] series

[00:44:59] goes on

[00:45:00] but

[00:45:00] that's

[00:45:01] it

[00:45:01] that's

[00:45:01] our

[00:45:01] discussion

[00:45:02] for

[00:45:02] the

[00:45:03] first

[00:45:03] episode

[00:45:03] of

[00:45:04] season

[00:45:04] three

[00:45:04] we're

[00:45:04] looking

[00:45:04] forward

[00:45:04] to

[00:45:05] the

[00:45:05] next

[00:45:05] episode

[00:45:05] though

[00:45:06] but

[00:45:06] before

[00:45:06] we

[00:45:24] asked

[00:45:24] for

[00:45:25] this

[00:45:25] I

[00:45:25] viewed

[00:45:26] it

[00:45:26] through

[00:45:26] the

[00:45:26] lens

[00:45:26] of

[00:45:26] a

[00:45:26] spoiled

[00:45:27] child

[00:45:27] getting

[00:45:27] the

[00:45:28] wrong

[00:45:28] super

[00:45:28] expensive

[00:45:29] toy

[00:45:29] on

[00:45:29] Christmas

[00:45:30] morning

[00:45:30] I

[00:45:31] dutifully

[00:45:31] doubtfully

[00:45:32] watched

[00:45:32] it

[00:45:33] through

[00:45:33] completion

[00:45:33] turned

[00:45:34] it

[00:45:34] off

[00:45:34] and

[00:45:34] tossed

[00:45:35] it

[00:45:35] in

[00:45:35] the

[00:45:35] million

[00:45:35] dollar

[00:45:36] one

[00:45:36] watcher

[00:45:36] bin

[00:45:36] made

[00:45:37] to

[00:45:37] the

[00:45:38] same

[00:45:38] excellent

[00:45:38] standards

[00:45:39] as

[00:45:39] every

[00:45:39] other

[00:45:40] what if

[00:45:40] production

[00:45:40] from

[00:45:41] voicing

[00:45:41] to

[00:45:41] animation

[00:45:41] to

[00:45:42] all

[00:45:42] the

[00:45:42] usual

[00:45:42] professional

[00:45:43] kudos

[00:45:43] but

[00:45:44] all

[00:45:44] spent

[00:45:45] on

[00:45:45] entry

[00:45:45] as

[00:45:45] forgettable

[00:45:46] as

[00:45:46] it

[00:45:46] was

[00:45:47] unnecessary

[00:45:47] the

[00:45:48] bestest

[00:45:48] of

[00:45:48] holidays

[00:45:49] to

[00:45:49] you

[00:45:49] although

[00:45:49] two

[00:45:50] flying

[00:45:50] ferocious

[00:45:51] fists

[00:45:51] Hawaiian

[00:45:52] hidey

[00:45:53] holes

[00:45:53] and

[00:45:53] disassembling

[00:45:54] deus

[00:45:54] ex

[00:45:55] machina

[00:45:55] out

[00:46:17] kaiju

[00:46:19] Godzilla

[00:46:20] mega

[00:46:20] apex

[00:46:21] hulk

[00:46:23] effectively

[00:46:23] snorts

[00:46:24] his

[00:46:24] enemy

[00:46:24] as

[00:46:25] his

[00:46:25] defeated

[00:46:26] enemy

[00:46:26] and

[00:46:27] I

[00:46:27] thought

[00:46:27] that

[00:46:28] is

[00:46:28] something

[00:46:28] I

[00:46:28] can

[00:46:28] get

[00:46:29] behind

[00:46:29] and

[00:46:30] maybe

[00:46:30] just

[00:46:31] maybe

[00:46:31] if

[00:46:32] you're

[00:46:32] on

[00:46:32] drugs

[00:46:33] this

[00:46:33] is

[00:46:33] a

[00:46:33] five

[00:46:34] out

[00:46:34] of

[00:46:34] five

[00:46:34] oh

[00:46:35] dear

[00:46:46] I

[00:46:46] best

[00:46:47] of

[00:46:47] holiday

[00:46:47] wishes

[00:46:48] coffee

[00:46:48] and

[00:46:48] vodka

[00:46:48] and

[00:46:49] thank

[00:46:49] you

[00:46:49] so

[00:46:50] much

[00:46:50] for

[00:46:50] the

[00:46:50] feedback

[00:46:50] not

[00:46:51] only

[00:46:51] for

[00:46:52] this

[00:46:52] episode

[00:46:53] of

[00:46:53] what if

[00:46:54] but

[00:46:54] for

[00:46:55] 2024

[00:46:56] as

[00:46:57] well

[00:46:57] absolutely

[00:46:57] great

[00:46:58] stuff

[00:46:58] over

[00:46:58] on

[00:46:59] our

[00:46:59] Facebook

[00:47:00] multiversal

[00:47:01] group

[00:47:01] we got

[00:47:02] some more

[00:47:02] multiversal

[00:47:03] messages

[00:47:03] first up

[00:47:04] from

[00:47:05] Heather

[00:47:05] Wallace

[00:47:06] who says

[00:47:06] I really

[00:47:07] like

[00:47:08] what if

[00:47:08] because

[00:47:08] you get

[00:47:09] to see

[00:47:09] relationships

[00:47:10] between

[00:47:10] characters

[00:47:11] that don't

[00:47:11] interact

[00:47:12] much

[00:47:12] in the

[00:47:12] MCU

[00:47:13] the

[00:47:14] Sam

[00:47:14] Bruce

[00:47:14] friendship

[00:47:15] was

[00:47:16] we even

[00:47:17] got to

[00:47:17] see

[00:47:17] Sam's

[00:47:18] sister

[00:47:18] again

[00:47:18] on

[00:47:19] the

[00:47:19] family

[00:47:19] boat

[00:47:20] I

[00:47:20] also

[00:47:20] really

[00:47:21] like

[00:47:21] how

[00:47:21] different

[00:47:22] art

[00:47:22] styles

[00:47:23] were

[00:47:23] incorporated

[00:47:23] and

[00:47:24] the

[00:47:24] 80s

[00:47:24] cartoon

[00:47:25] style

[00:47:25] was

[00:47:25] the

[00:47:25] perfect

[00:47:26] setup

[00:47:26] for

[00:47:27] the

[00:47:27] Voltron

[00:47:27] like

[00:47:28] reveal

[00:47:28] the

[00:47:29] first

[00:47:29] series

[00:47:29] of

[00:47:29] what if

[00:47:30] started

[00:47:30] off

[00:47:30] with

[00:47:30] some

[00:47:30] small

[00:47:31] twists

[00:47:31] on

[00:47:32] well

[00:47:32] known

[00:47:32] stories

[00:47:32] and

[00:47:33] now

[00:47:33] they're

[00:47:33] going

[00:47:34] in

[00:47:34] whole

[00:47:34] new

[00:47:35] directions

[00:48:05] and

[00:48:06] I'm

[00:48:06] glad

[00:48:07] that

[00:48:07] we

[00:48:07] have

[00:48:08] been

[00:48:08] here

[00:48:08] for

[00:48:08] you

[00:48:09] this

[00:48:09] year

[00:48:10] and

[00:48:10] beyond

[00:48:11] with

[00:48:12] our

[00:48:12] chit

[00:48:13] chat

[00:48:13] about

[00:48:13] all

[00:48:14] these

[00:48:14] TV

[00:48:15] shows

[00:48:15] that

[00:48:15] we

[00:48:15] like

[00:48:16] to

[00:48:16] watch

[00:48:17] even

[00:48:17] the

[00:48:17] ones

[00:48:17] where

[00:48:18] maybe

[00:48:18] I'm

[00:48:19] a little

[00:48:19] skeptical

[00:48:20] on the

[00:48:20] episode

[00:48:21] absolutely

[00:48:22] thanks

[00:48:23] so much

[00:48:23] for your

[00:48:24] thoughts

[00:48:24] and thanks

[00:48:24] very much

[00:48:25] for your

[00:48:25] well wishes

[00:48:25] for Christmas

[00:48:26] straight back

[00:48:27] at you

[00:48:27] as well

[00:48:27] hope you

[00:48:28] have a

[00:48:28] lovely

[00:48:28] Christmas

[00:48:29] we will

[00:48:29] be here

[00:48:29] tomorrow

[00:48:30] hopefully

[00:48:30] for the

[00:48:31] next

[00:48:31] episode

[00:48:31] of

[00:48:31] what if

[00:48:32] when there'll

[00:48:32] be two

[00:48:32] sleeps

[00:48:33] till

[00:48:33] Christmas

[00:48:33] exactly

[00:48:34] exactly

[00:48:34] and also

[00:48:35] on Facebook

[00:48:36] Richard

[00:48:36] Blaise says

[00:48:37] Godzilla

[00:48:38] meets

[00:48:38] Power Rangers

[00:48:39] I fully

[00:48:39] bought into

[00:48:40] the madness

[00:48:40] loved it

[00:48:42] thanks for

[00:48:42] that Richard

[00:48:43] I'm glad

[00:48:43] you enjoyed

[00:48:43] yeah

[00:48:44] excellent

[00:48:44] Richard

[00:48:45] I think

[00:48:45] that's

[00:48:46] exactly

[00:48:46] right

[00:48:47] weird

[00:48:47] fun

[00:48:48] it's

[00:48:48] the way

[00:48:48] to go

[00:48:49] into

[00:48:49] it

[00:48:49] isn't

[00:48:49] it

[00:48:49] just

[00:48:49] embrace

[00:48:50] the

[00:49:13] defender

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[00:49:43] what if

[00:49:44] season 3

[00:49:45] episode 2

[00:49:46] what if

[00:49:46] agatha

[00:49:47] went to

[00:49:48] hollywood

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[00:49:57] fellow

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[00:50:01] discussion of

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[00:50:03] series of

[00:50:03] what if

[00:50:04] until tomorrow

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