TVPI 2025 and 2026 Podcast

TVPI 2025 RECAP AND 2026 PREVIEW TRANSCRIPT

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[DEREK]: This is TV podcast industry as we're back with our wrap-up of 2025 and our 2026 preview.

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[DEREK]: Welcome back for the Witchers, Defenders, and Dustierless Riggers, Boys & Girls, alumni, and detectives to our annual recaps this time, we're talking about 2025, of course, cause that's last year, and we're also going to talk about 2026 in our preview of all the moving TV shows that we might talk about in 2026, and I'm one of your host, Derek.

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[JOHN]: Hello there, fellow industrialists, I am one of your other host, John.

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[CHRIS]: And rounding out this trio again, I am Chris.

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[DEREK]: Welcome back Chris and welcome back John.

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[DEREK]: I know.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, thank you.

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[CHRIS]: Nice to have everybody back again.

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[CHRIS]: Thank you for holding down the for it.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: We're back.

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[JOHN]: It's a new year.

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[JOHN]: It's 2026.

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[JOHN]: Uh, it's good to be alive.

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[DEREK]: It is good to be alive and we've had a bad couple of months.

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[DEREK]: Poor old Frissy was in hospital with pneumonia as we mentioned and our previous podcast thankfully he is feeling much better and Chris.

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[CHRIS]: I know and Mike Dulset tones are only going to be more Dulset.

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[DEREK]: Yes.

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[CHRIS]: As they, the pneumonia has ravaged my respiratory system, it just means the ear drums.

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[CHRIS]: and the auditorial signals that people listen to will not be punished with my renditions of songs for the next few months.

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[CHRIS]: You'll speak as though you're goddling my flesh.

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[CHRIS]: Yes.

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[DEREK]: We may here occasionally have your breathing.

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[DEREK]: That's probably Chris in the background, right?

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[CHRIS]: Yeah, if you have a heavy breathing cast in emoji get ready to use it.

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[DEREK]: There you go.

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[DEREK]: And then yeah, as the year wrapped up, we were going to record this just after Christmas.

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[DEREK]: And well, I fell down my stairs.

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[DEREK]: I think so.

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[DEREK]: So, I, I, I was last but all, um, on crutches and, uh, with a beach one.

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[DEREK]: So, um, I'll be sitting in the ice for the next couple of months, which is a good thing for the broadcast, right?

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[CHRIS]: Yes.

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[CHRIS]: Yes.

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[CHRIS]: We're editing time, you know?

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[CHRIS]: It's not like, when people say go ahead and touch grass, you actually can't.

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[JOHN]: I can't.

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[CHRIS]: Unless I go ahead and crutches and fall over.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: And I'll be like nurse ratches looking after him.

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[CHRIS]: Thank you.

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[CHRIS]: Oh, I was going for more.

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[CHRIS]: What's the

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[JOHN]: Yeah, well, he's already hobbled, so he's already hobbled him, you know.

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[DEREK]: Do you still think you're like, um, yeah, I know, and fairness, a lot of our friends did post the image of Van Gogh's for me.

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[DEREK]: I'm sorry, I'm not sure if you're going to love to love that.

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[DEREK]: I think it's because he's calling me a dirty birdy, you know, every day.

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[DEREK]: That's why people have that impression.

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[DEREK]: But anyway, I've did fine.

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[DEREK]: Every dude's fine, we're all ready for a good new year in 2020.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: My nurse's outfit is on primed delivery.

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[JOHN]: having this way.

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[DEREK]: Fantastic.

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[DEREK]: the podcast for the most parts so we ended off mostly doing one podcast a week but we still ended off doing about 78 podcasts for the year which is only been easily about 10 or so now I know the number and actually counting and we're done a little bit of the previous year but not not much.

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[DEREK]: 78 is the number.

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[CHRIS]: and I will jump in here very quickly and speak on behalf of all of our listeners and go.

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[CHRIS]: It was great.

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[CHRIS]: Thank you.

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[CHRIS]: I was a listener myself.

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[CHRIS]: I am a listener myself and you got me through I'm the lot of good great shows and on top of that big props to you guys for stepping in and doing those 78 which

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[CHRIS]: We're planned across three people, and then it's across two.

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[CHRIS]: So a big thank you for filling What can only be described as size 12 shoes?

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[DEREK]: Fantastic.

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[DEREK]: Yes, yes, it was it was it was great fun.

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[DEREK]: They were sometimes at when we decided to take our two-week holiday We're thinking a little bit messed up, but by the end of the year we'd pretty much call it fun.

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[DEREK]: Yes

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[DEREK]: Almost everything we'll talk about the things we didn't catch up on as we get into the podcast But let's start a nice and for the year and because we have Chris here as well He can jump in on some of the shows that he didn't talk about or wasn't there for The way that I split this end I put it up as a poll on our Facebook group and over on our brand new discord channel If you want to join us over in discord, we now have a discord channel over there I can see that's the link in the podcast show notes Come on over and join us over there.

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[DEREK]: We're building it the community

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[DEREK]: away from Facebook, but I have put a pull-up there of all of the shows and movies that we covered, split it into two, which is between the Marvel stuff and the anything other than Marvel stuff.

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[DEREK]: To hit that look at it because that's really because of the amount of programs and movies that Marvel put age in 2025 that we were interested in covering.

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[DEREK]: They put out a couple of things that we didn't cover as well, but with the stuff that they did put out, that's almost half of the shows that we covered last year, really.

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[DEREK]: So,

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[DEREK]: What we covered last year from a Marvel point of view was Captain America, Brave New World.

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[DEREK]: We had the return of Daredevil and Daredevil born again season 1.

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[DEREK]: We had Iron Heart, which was the final arrival spoilers of Befisto into the MCU, which has been promised for almost 10 years as well.

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[DEREK]: We had Marvel zombies, the animated show spinning out of what if we had Isaac Wakanda, an animated show based in the world of Wakanda.

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[DEREK]: We had two more movies that Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four first steps.

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[DEREK]: So, of those Chris, how about yourself?

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[DEREK]: Do you want to start a software?

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[DEREK]: Where would you push your highest rating of all of those shows?

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[DEREK]: What's the one that stands at you from this year?

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[CHRIS]: If I go shows, I'm going to go dare to have a point again for last year.

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[CHRIS]: Like that was the one that really stood out to me as a return to adult themed kind of

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[CHRIS]: marvel that some of the Netflix dared over that we really were known to have back in the day.

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[CHRIS]: And in the story that really set up like the next street level phase of the MCU, which was we, and it was way more ingrained than we thought it was going to be.

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[CHRIS]: And beyond that as well, it was sprung from

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[CHRIS]: I don't see development hell, but development purgatory for a bit, so really just impressed with that.

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[CHRIS]: And then across the films, I'll lean honestly, I lean more Thunderbolts than Fantastic Four.

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[CHRIS]: Fantastic Four was fantastic, but the Thunderbolts had just an amazing mental health analogy story, and just...

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[CHRIS]: It was a lot of characters we already seen and the same thing.

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[CHRIS]: It had changed in terms of what it was planning to be, but just as a film, it just as a story and a narrative fantastic.

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[CHRIS]: Just it was my number one marble film last year.

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[CHRIS]: I am not leaving a brave new world for no reason.

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[CHRIS]: It unfortunately just seemed

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[CHRIS]: just not well put together and the end product, the end product of Brave New World was not representative of what it should have been.

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[CHRIS]: In terms of when you put together all of those building blocks, red hole in the leader and Anthony Machiaz, your Captain America, as a

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely, like he's eminently washable.

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[DEREK]: We actually watched Captain America Brave New World during the Christmas break.

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[DEREK]: He's so good on screen.

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[DEREK]: He's really interested to watch.

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[DEREK]: He's got his own TV show now and twisted metal.

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[DEREK]: He's got loads of other movies that he's done as well over the years.

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[DEREK]: Excited the MCU, but he's so well known as this character when he's on screen.

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[DEREK]: He really takes on board the

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[DEREK]: the pressure of carrying that major role in this movie.

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[DEREK]: But there's just something that just didn't work as well.

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[DEREK]: I think all of all the movies that we reviewed last year looking back at our racing, that's the one that we gave the lowest rating to.

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[DEREK]: We gave it a three out of five.

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[DEREK]: So Marvel tends to be because we cover everything within the Marvel universe, the tend to err a little bit higher than that.

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[DEREK]: But yeah, Brighton World was one that I think you rated as your lowest movie the year job.

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[JOHN]: Yes, I did.

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[JOHN]: I think I've watched it since and I just don't really a such care for it a great deal.

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[JOHN]: It's great in a sense of just to watch and mindlessly kind of let it wash over me.

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[JOHN]: But I just I think it got caught between a bit of a rock and a hard place really.

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[JOHN]: I think it's also

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[JOHN]: Possibly just being hamstrung and sometimes I think this is what happens with Marvel by the whole continuity Think within Marvel there's so much woman in our and about whether it should be the same person I have you hand over something like Captain America to a new person that I think sometimes it just

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[JOHN]: It kind of just makes it feel like Trudgeon through Tricle Abyss and that was a bit the same with this.

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[JOHN]: I mean, I liked how it kind of brought in some of the previous characters from the other Hulk movies.

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[DEREK]: I thought that was really good.

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[JOHN]: And again...

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[JOHN]: I just, like, live time.

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[JOHN]: I think you're like three and a half seconds, you know she's coming and, you know, and I mean at the time it was, it was grand.

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[JOHN]: I'm not, it was my lowest race is, but it was still above, you know, it was still a recommend, it was over halfway on my five point scale.

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[JOHN]: So it's a recommend, it's to go and see, but actually I guess as the others came out, like, you know, from the self, Thunderbolts, absolutely,

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[JOHN]: By far, in a way, the star of the movies this year, just the ensemble piece really, really works, certainly works more than the fantastic four, but I liked the fantastic four, not a fan of the characters to be honest.

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[JOHN]: Like Johnny Storm, yeah, absolutely, all the way.

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[JOHN]: And I did actually like St. Galactus.

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[JOHN]: I liked the Fantastic Four, but off the two, my preference is for Thunderbolts from the ensemble piece.

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[JOHN]: I think Florence Pue, you know, absolutely,

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[JOHN]: is always mesmerising for me, I think David Harbour is just good fun.

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[JOHN]: I liked, like with Chris, like the Void Century, all that sort of subtext, I thought the whole shadow death was like really affecting us.

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[DEREK]: Seeing that in the cinema, opening, like not knowing what was happening was one of the best experiences.

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[DEREK]: Actually here because it's a young girl reaching out towards the void and she just gets turned into a shadow and you're going, oh, I gotta say I can't walk down to this happened there.

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[DEREK]: Afterwards, when it all comes back and you realize what's actually happened, yeah, it's cool.

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[DEREK]: But what a great moment in the cinema, I don't know, but it's a whole audience, which is just in shock.

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[JOHN]: There's the Countessia as well, which is always good to have in there.

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[JOHN]: And so I really enjoy... You still can't get her full name, though, can you?

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[JOHN]: to Fontaine.

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[JOHN]: And I think, to Fontaine's DC, yeah.

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[JOHN]: I think for me from a movie point of view, Marvel movie point of view, it was definitely fun to vaults.

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[JOHN]: I mean, maybe Bucky was a little on to use, or could have been used a little better bush other than that.

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[JOHN]: I really enjoyed the movie.

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[DEREK]: I think they wanted to bring Sebastian's down in there and it's weird because he was in Brave New World.

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[DEREK]: It was almost like he was an afterthought in both films.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I didn't give him presents in either one.

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[JOHN]: It won't be his golden to DC.

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[DEREK]: Well, yeah, apparently the rumor is that he's playing Harvey Denton about Mantu.

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[DEREK]: A log-side scar that you're handsome is supposed to be playing his wife, so that'll be...

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[JOHN]: This game's grown as napping them all.

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[DEREK]: Well, that's fun.

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[CHRIS]: He's interesting thing.

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[CHRIS]: With that very quickly as a society everyone was like oh no, he has to like give up being booky the white book Yeah, I'm like no, my Reeves is universe is not the new DCU It's not not part as of right now.

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[CHRIS]: It is not part of that.

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[CHRIS]: My Reeves is a separate elsewhere.

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[CHRIS]: Peace So he can play Harvey Dent in one more film and two-fax and still play Booky in the other like it makes sense

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: And also, he's a working actor.

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[DEREK]: He can't really live on two and a half minutes of screen time every couple of years when they throw them a bone and allow them to appear like, you know, the guy has been in most Marvel phases of movies right back to the first Captain America course.

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[DEREK]: So he's been around for a long time.

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[DEREK]: So he deserves a role.

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[DEREK]: The one thing I will say just what you were saying about Captain America, Brave New World, John.

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[DEREK]: The one thing I will say about it is

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[DEREK]: being a Marvel fan who has seen the evolution of the Captain America and Bucky and Falcon's storyline as we are and as we podcasted about all of those movies and the leading and then we watched a TV show which answered the question why Falcon took on the mantle of Captain America and why he believes he is the right person to be Falcon Captain America to then be kicked back to the stars.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, okay, the star some brave new worlds where people were questioning why is he Captain America again.

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[DEREK]: It was like, I'll just give it a give it up We have the answer if anybody wants to answer that question go watch the TV show was a really quality made television show about that story We can move on now.

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[DEREK]: He is Captain America.

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[DEREK]: That's it.

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[JOHN]: It's been like get on with it and stop having in a monologue a thought sping put down script Absolutely just get on with

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[JOHN]: the fact that Captain America is previously the Falcon and he's a black man.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: I mean literally get on with it and go for it.

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[CHRIS]: And we will see we will see that transition like and play out on screen again.

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[CHRIS]: Because you're going to have Captain America and Steve Rogers on screen at the same time.

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[CHRIS]: You're going to have Sam Wilson, Captain America,

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[CHRIS]: and then just Steve Rogers, like they're going, they're going to be very blatant.

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[CHRIS]: Well, they though.

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[JOHN]: I don't know.

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[JOHN]: It's really interesting, I think it's because we've just been talking about a movie saying a brave new world.

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[JOHN]: Marvel is failing to grasp that like moniker of their next phase being a brave new world and they're just having to fall back on the previous characters.

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[JOHN]: Yes, they were huge, just they were brilliant and not saying I don't want to see them,

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[DEREK]: We're jumping all the way into the end of our part of the industry right six the speculation about doomsday and what's coming in that So I'll give you a preview of my thoughts.

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[DEREK]: I am guaranteeing you all of these people that have been announced are in the opening seat.

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[DEREK]: Yes, of the convergence of world is on their old dead within

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[DEREK]: before the opening credits it will be just like that scene at the start of Infinity War where we had Thor and Loki being killed along with the rest of the Asgardians that is what's going to happen at the start of Doom's Day or even all the people announced here they're all gone except for our dungeon.

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[JOHN]: Even some of the stuff from

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[JOHN]: Matt Fraction's secret war.

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[DEREK]: Thank you.

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[JOHN]: It is exactly that.

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[JOHN]: It will also be interesting because there were people who got very agitated at Peggy.

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[JOHN]: I've been killed off in Multiverse of Mappies.

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[JOHN]: But anyway, I'm curious.

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[JOHN]: But equally, again, it was another part of the multiverse, so yeah, be interesting to see and for my TV Because I didn't mention TV.

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[JOHN]: I'm absolutely with Chris here.

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[JOHN]: I kind of have two to be honest.

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[JOHN]: I have I may have three

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[JOHN]: But because I really enjoyed the TV and Daredevil absolutely our boy Matt and doing his thing really great to see him to not feel back couldn't believe Foggin Nelson got snotted and wasn't expecting that like that Karen went off the dependipist so the Daredevil excellent really enjoyed that

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[DEREK]: But I had Castle back there at all?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I'm Frank Castle, absolutely, but I do have to give a shout out.

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[JOHN]: And I did not actually vote for it on Facebook or on our Discord, and because I gave my vote to Ironheart, and I had no expectation of this whatsoever, and everything I was really excited was that the red hood was all the hood, I should say, was going to be in it, and I just really, really liked how it played out.

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[JOHN]: I really liked how a reary in a sense was kind of this mirror image of the hood, also at least.

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[JOHN]: I liked that she made questionable choices.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: It wasn't Iron Man, just spell wrong, it was, and someone completely different, who yes, idolizes what he did, but...

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[JOHN]: wasn't having the one on one mentoring all the way through from Tony Stark was just having to get on with it and had to make dubious and problematic decisions to the point where as well the other thing that we've been talking about and joking about and seeing

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[JOHN]: in other shows where he blatantly wasn't, was that the Fisto turned up.

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[JOHN]: So I really really enjoyed this.

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[JOHN]: I liked the fact that it was another little bit of magic from the Marvel magic verse here.

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[JOHN]: Certainly having Zelda as well, who from the comics is, um, uh,

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[JOHN]: was the librarian helping Dr.

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[JOHN]: Strange is also in Stranger Academy, so I just thought this was really, really good as well.

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[JOHN]: I've heard, I think you were mentioning it, Derek, that the Stranger Academy is back on the possible slate.

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[JOHN]: So I think this will be, go back and back in development, yeah.

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[JOHN]: Really, really exciting if they're able to develop something from that because I know when I first picked up that comic, I just

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[JOHN]: didn't know if I was gonna enjoy it.

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[DEREK]: I know why, John, because the cover of that comic has the son of Dorma, who goes to a strange academy and you went, what?

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[DEREK]: Well, I think.

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[DEREK]: How are you gonna be?

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[DEREK]: Is this like Muppet Babies, but that number of, at least, Marbley University, Marbley characters, you know?

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[DEREK]: And it turned out to be, he's a great character, and the story is really, really

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[JOHN]: It's really, really good.

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[JOHN]: It's really well pitched and so I wish the development of that all the very, very best because it is something I'd really be interested to see come to fruition.

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[JOHN]: And I think it gives an alternative to sort of the professor Xavier's school which I know, I know there's a lot of X-Men fans, it's not that I'm not an X-Men fan, but again it's one of those

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[JOHN]: I think it's because we've just watched X-Men Dark Phoenix, which was pretty grim, and I guess it was a bit like with Fantastic Four, whereas like, okay, you're just doing the same thing.

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[JOHN]: So I'm hoping Stranger Academy is kind of like...

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[JOHN]: replacement for Professor X's school.

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[DEREK]: Maybe maybe like I think we're definitely going to get that one.

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[DEREK]: We got the X-Men in the MCU.

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[DEREK]: I think it will be a great MCU replacement for another university of witchcraft and wizardry that I don't really want to watch anymore, so I'd really like to have an MCU version of that in Stranger Academy.

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[DEREK]: That would be quite cool.

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[JOHN]: Well, they could certainly, yeah, sort of, and capitalize on that for sure.

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[JOHN]: So, yeah, I in heart really, really, really liked it.

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[JOHN]: It was great, wasn't it?

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I want to give a real shout out for the animation this year, from Marvel, because they've done so much good animation, even the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, which we didn't cover on the podcast, the chemit last year, and you see some coming this year.

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[DEREK]: That ended off, being really good for them.

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[DEREK]: And I was watching an episode again today, and reminded how good the theme was, that the remix,

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[DEREK]: 60th theme tune with the rap over the top of the excellent.

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[DEREK]: If you haven't heard it, just check out those first couple of minutes.

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[DEREK]: That was really good.

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[DEREK]: The return of X-Men 97 was really good, but the two big animated shows this year where we had Marvel Zombies, which is the four episode tale spinning out of what if, absolutely, those are that story in the end.

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[DEREK]: I remember being quite disappointed by the Marvel Zombie story they told in the original What If series.

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[DEREK]: Boss, this version of it was, again, brought back the adult content like what they did with dead old born again.

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[DEREK]: We see characters that you don't expect to die being killed on screen very quick as very short-stripped.

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[DEREK]: We brought in so many characters from the universe that we hadn't seen in many years, like the internals coming in, like Shanchee in there as well, which is fantastic.

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[DEREK]: really well worth the watch and well worth four episodes.

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[DEREK]: I hope we'll see some more of my old zombies in the future.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, definitely because that was the other side of the TV that I wanted to mention was the animation because I really enjoyed Ice of Wakanda and it was not to say that I knew I was going to get with Marvel zombies, that's not true, I really enjoyed it and yet

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[JOHN]: wasn't even on my radar, and it came, and it was just for really neatly connected tales of Wakanda.

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[JOHN]: And I kind of really liked the way it just spanned sort of history here, and he just was like a BBC, a big black cat.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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[DEREK]: That was really good.

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[DEREK]: There are rumors that that's the most expensive animated Marvel project.

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[DEREK]: That's ever been.

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[DEREK]: The four episode series for Rise of Wakanda, the studio that was producing it did as to such a high standard at the cost of production for those episodes alone was higher than any of the other shows at the end.

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[DEREK]: So that's why it will not be returning for us.

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[CHRIS]: That's why we're not getting any more.

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[CHRIS]: Even though exactly.

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[CHRIS]: That's my honorable mention from Marvel perspective.

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[CHRIS]: It was like John.

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[CHRIS]: I Did not know what I was getting outside of Mike Bernardin was one of the writers and was connected to it So I was like it's gonna be good because usually things he attached themselves to are So I was like, oh, this is gonna be fun when I got into him by the end of it.

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[CHRIS]: I was like I would like more I know we won't get it, but now I'm like

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[CHRIS]: a bit more explanation, but yeah, no, definitely a good one.

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[CHRIS]: Derek, did you have any else you wanted from a live action perspective you wanted to give it to Ferris?

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[DEREK]: Not really, you guys have covered it all.

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[DEREK]: The return of Daredevil after so many years away, we started our Marvel side of our podcast with Daredevil.

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[DEREK]: That was the first thing we covered here on the podcast.

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[DEREK]: So very special to us.

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[DEREK]: We absolutely love those characters.

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[DEREK]: And Daredevil and knowing we've got so much more coming up in the future.

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[DEREK]: It's fantastic Chris, you mentioned the retooling of it.

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[DEREK]: At really evident, a times really noticeable when they

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[DEREK]: And to the storyline that was clearly the vision of the original creators of the of born again and started up a brand new storyline I've been asked a couple of episodes setting up the next season, which is really exciting, but I wish they'd given a little bit more of a breath in there But it was so exciting to have those characters back and see so many of our

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[DEREK]: former characters from the Netflix Defenders University on screen again, and knowing that so many more of them are coming back Just this year just to cut the month's time is really exciting, which we will at talk about later post And the only other thing that I mentioned I really did enjoy fantastic for first steps.

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[DEREK]: I thought it was the joyful

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[DEREK]: cinema experience that I really wanted at 225.

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[DEREK]: I came out of all the big smile in my face.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: When I wanted for a bit while we've been saying it's not the best of the movies.

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[DEREK]: Thunderbolts is definitely the best of the three movies that were released.

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[DEREK]: That's the one I came out with the big smile going where that was really good fun.

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[DEREK]: I love the movie where everybody gets together.

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[DEREK]: Yes, in this world, outside of the door is on the news that tells you that doesn't happen very often, but I love that we have a movie where the whole world gets together to defeat the villain.

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[DEREK]: That was a really nice, uplifting thing to watch.

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[CHRIS]: So, yeah, it paired really well with games gone super, at the same time, two films that

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[CHRIS]: Both came age with that kind of jovial heart.

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[CHRIS]: Both came to screen with heart.

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[CHRIS]: I think that's a good way of putting it.

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[CHRIS]: Absolutely.

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[CHRIS]: And I understand, I came out of both those films, kind of elated and joyful and happy.

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[CHRIS]: And then turned it, took on my phone and looked at the news, and then it was gone.

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[CHRIS]: But it was fine.

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[DEREK]: I'm able to know what you're doing.

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[DEREK]: We played movies exactly.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: I think so.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, let's start out with Phil Elliott, who says I've only seen a few on this list, and to me, Daredevil was a really good series for Tastic 4, although the setting was great.

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[DEREK]: I found the movie overall boring, and Thunderbolts, I just didn't enjoy it, it felt to be cheap for me.

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[DEREK]: The rest I haven't seen, but looking forward to getting into Marvel zombies as I love the water if episode.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff, Phil.

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[JOHN]: Thanks so much for sending in those thoughts.

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[JOHN]: Yes, I'm very thankful.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly.

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[JOHN]: I definitely think you would, yes, like the Marvel zombies.

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[JOHN]: And, you know, for an animation, it doesn't really hold back, you know?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, you say.

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[JOHN]: So meaningful sort of munches that happen through the show.

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[DEREK]: Do you know, in fact, I'd probably say if you loved the water if episode, you're going to adore

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[JOHN]: series because the series is better than the one F episode if you thought if you're a little disappointed with it you'll like it if you're if you loved it you're gonna really enjoy the series and I'm glad you thought that Daredevil was sort of on par with the original talk I think that was that's what was so good about this um it felt like there was just that little shift yeah that they made to accommodate that

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[JOHN]: history and background of Daredevil on TV, which was great, I think.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: So yeah, great stuff, thanks Phil.

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[JOHN]: Mathematician says, probably the worst year for MCU content, since the start of 2008, in my opinion, especially the big screen.

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[JOHN]: I went for Daredevil though, that was great, as was iron heart.

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[JOHN]: I couldn't get through a single episode of Wakanda forever, but zombies was boss.

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[JOHN]: First time I've enjoyed the cartoons and slapping my head off at the South Park movie back in the 90s.

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[JOHN]: Looking forward to Frank Castle's stuff this year and I really want to know if Matt Murdoch managed to sort out happy's legal issues.

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[JOHN]: Good stuff, math or meditation.

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[JOHN]: And yeah, really glad you enjoyed today's level and I and Hart.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I can totally understand the Isle of Wakanda and isn't a safe for everyone.

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[DEREK]: Well, they've got my animation.

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[DEREK]: I would definitely say there are moments that are in the art history of the animation that really stood out to us that we talked about in the podcast.

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[DEREK]: I think that are in one of the ups of the iron fist in Isle Wakanda.

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[DEREK]: That episode

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[DEREK]: it was superb and yeah Marvel zombies was really excellent and yeah I can recall laughing my head off at the South Park maybe feedback in the 90s as well oh absolutely they've had a massive research in 2025 as well they were just absolutely at the forefront of satirical content well done welcome back side parks and a glad you enjoyed so that's enough there mathematician

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[DEREK]: And we'll, um, Matt Murdoch sort of ate happy's legal issues because the last time he was on screen, he was telling happy to go and get himself a lawyer because, um, he was at fault for the things that were being brought in front of Peter Parker, right?

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[DEREK]: So, and so neatly.

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[DEREK]: Maybe Matt helped.

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[CHRIS]: I need to say them from a break, so that definitely helps.

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[DEREK]: Yes, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Chris, do you want to say it takes away with the next piece of feedback?

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[CHRIS]: Yes.

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[CHRIS]: So Harvey Lucas also had some thoughts on our Marvel output, where he said, I had a hard time with this one.

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[CHRIS]: Thunderbolt was a surprise, I had a 10 for me, Daredevil made me so happy, especially that we're getting to see this fish stuff, pay off the stuff from Daredevil season 3, but also

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[CHRIS]: Hawke Guy and Echo as well.

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[CHRIS]: Some be focusing on the heart of Phase 4, Kamal Khan, and the most awesome Hulk was fantastic.

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[CHRIS]: In the end though, I have to get my vote to Isaac Wakanda, having spotted the artifact in the first episode.

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[CHRIS]: I was initially expecting it to be an Easter egg, as the next episode progressed and we were following the other pieces I got more excited for the possibility of what was to come.

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[CHRIS]: But I had no idea it was going to be so superb.

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[CHRIS]: I love love a good time travel story and this one it elevated the black Panther movie for me.

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[CHRIS]: I will be watching it many times, especially since it's an easy for episodes.

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[CHRIS]: I'm sorry, yes, the easter eggs, or what do you think is easter eggs from the artifacts and the things they're chasing in the beginning of that story is really is like, I got I think I know what that is and then that story at the end of it and how it comes together was just fantastic.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, great stuff, Harvey, on that moment, the Arch of Fact, from the first episode, so carrying all the way through the episodes of Isaac Wakanda, it's only for episodes, only half an hour each year, and well worth the watchers, as I say, and for me, the big highlight was having a new iron fist on screen after not having iron fist around since the live action show, so yeah, that was awesome to see that.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I'm really good to hear, you enjoyed the dirt level as well.

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[JOHN]: Again, I think it was just one of those things that was just so good to have it finally come to the screen and pay off on loads of different stuff.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, so yeah, good stuff.

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[JOHN]: Thanks so much Harvey.

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[DEREK]: Oh, absolutely, sorry.

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[DEREK]: I'm one of the things you mentioned there, Kamal Kam being the heart of the MCU, just rewatched a Miss Marvel for reasons recently and she's so fantastic.

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[DEREK]: She really is such a presence.

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[DEREK]: I can't wait to see her back in the Avengers movie come up next year.

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[DEREK]: So we're this year.

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[DEREK]: I'm excited to see the character back again because she's so good on screen and she was great in the Marvel as well.

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[DEREK]: Um, yeah, great stuff and over on our Discord channel at Philippa Girl says about Marvel Thunderboats had wheel hearts.

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[DEREK]: It was able to make the most of Florence Pius charisma using her performance to draw us in and make us care about minor supporting characters who were largely forgotten from earlier projects.

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[DEREK]: That's absolutely true.

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[DEREK]: The sum characters there that had only appeared in some of the TV shows, the sum characters that were just memes on the internet to a lot of viewers.

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[DEREK]: So having it all center-run, someone as cool as Farron's Florence Pew, playing the role so perfectly from the beginning to the end, she did feel like that, that real leader character.

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[DEREK]: So yeah, fantastic, really enjoyed her performance there.

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[DEREK]: Now definitely, she was brilliant.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[CHRIS]: And the way she plays off David Harbour is fantastic too.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah, really good.

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[CHRIS]: Especially since a lot of people do mean the Black Widow film, like that's relationship still being such a central part of later MC, I'm happy with.

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[DEREK]: Excellent, thanks for the bite.

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[DEREK]: So on the other side of that, it's the other show that we covered in 2025, I'd say the side of Marvel.

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[DEREK]: Of course, we returned to the Boys' Universe with Gen V season two.

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[DEREK]: Invincible season three, cracking anime series, the third season of that, we had the second season of the last of us, a big, a big device of moment brought to screen in such a fascinating, fantastic way in season two.

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[DEREK]: We had the fourth season of the Witcher,

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[DEREK]: of the Witcher.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, he still had the grunts.

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[DEREK]: We were speculating that they may have just used the Sandbites from Henry Cavalry's Geralt of Rivia and just put them over the top because they were so sound alike.

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[DEREK]: But we also covered a first season of Star Wars Skeleton Krillers, a first show out of the gates last year, and the other first season we covered was Alien Earth,

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[DEREK]: and the final show that we covered was the final season of the Sandman season two an epic show in Netflix closing as a two-season tale which had gone on for many, many more years.

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[DEREK]: What are your picks out of those Chris?

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[CHRIS]: I was not on the podcast when I will say Alien Earth was some of the best TV in 2025.

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[CHRIS]: And a doctor, by Noah Hawley, who just, like, if you know his stuff, you like his stuff, Legion, amazing, alien art, amazing, like you, I can go on, but I don't need it because it's just old great.

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[CHRIS]: And I think this, it's a perfect introduction for the follow-up, all where they're going with this new alien, something new alien, um, um,

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[CHRIS]: piece, but it's the original same universe, same story line, but it's just a different takes and different views on it, especially since Wamiless has come out.

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[CHRIS]: It's called a resurgence, the new resurgence of the alien.

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[DEREK]: I'm sure that's going to be a subtitle of one of the alien movies.

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[DEREK]: It sounds right in real ass alien research.

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[DEREK]: But it was just great.

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[CHRIS]: And it was like, I thought it was going to be, I very much of my head thought, I knew what it was going to be about.

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[CHRIS]: I thought I knew how it was going to be told and what it was going to be.

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[CHRIS]: where they would go with a lot of it and it's referred to love those expectations and then very much playing it on and centering it on a retelling of almost parts of Peter Pan and the lost boys really was a stroke of genius in my opinion in terms of how they were able to

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[CHRIS]: play on some of those themes in an alien story which I was not expecting.

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[CHRIS]: I was like no absolutely.

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[DEREK]: I think there was a great moment when no Ali was being interviewed on the the official podcast for it where he was saying that if you've ever sat down and read Peter Pan you realize how sinister it is and mostly it's to do with the 1800s writing yeah that's the kind of style of writing that would have been a rant at the time when the book is written but

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[DEREK]: it is a bit someone coming into the house stealing your kids and if they grow up or if they challenge him he kills them basically is the undertone of that book and that is quite central to this storyline and earlier at the back of the rise of the corporations and governments you know it's a really interesting take on very different what we were expecting as well Chris exactly as you say

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[DEREK]: and I think that did turn off some people who were just expected to get effectively the one thing we didn't want, which was Alien vs Predators back on Earth coming along, killing all the humans everywhere.

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[DEREK]: You know, that was not this show, this show was much more at base.

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[DEREK]: Yes, there are aliens in it.

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[DEREK]: Yes, there are other creatures in it that will kill people around them, mostly there is much more of the story of that rise of the global

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[JOHN]: Well, that's it.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, no, I mean, I'm with you, Chris, and Derek, this was my favorite sort of non-mavile, absolutely thought it was incredible, completely did something I wasn't expecting.

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[JOHN]: And in fact, I would say it's more to do with humanity than aliens and to do with artificial life.

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[JOHN]: You know, in a sense, it's that power play between the

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[JOHN]: Humans and the things that they've created, I mean, do I say it, the previous of humans and creating fire, which they burn themselves on when they play with this, which is what we see with Boy Cavalier, who is one of the standout nasty pieces of work in this year.

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[JOHN]: So, so well done.

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[JOHN]: And I mean, you know,

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[JOHN]: To also bring into the law of alien.

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[JOHN]: I think if you're going to redo alien if having to revisit IP and sequels prequels whatever it calls that you've got to do now because the studios and TV studios are so risk of us and then

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[JOHN]: do it like this, do a reimagining of it, where it completely circumvents like it even being in space.

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[JOHN]: You know, it actually goes the opposite from in space, no one can haze you scream.

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[JOHN]: It's on an island.

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[DEREK]: No one can, no one cares if you scream, no one cares if you scream.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[JOHN]: And I think out of that, what he's done by having his little kind of schmoggers board of other aliens that arrived on Earth as well, is you got teoculous.

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[JOHN]: We have the I was fantastic.

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[JOHN]: Um, actually love that little Chriser.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: And probably why I rated this show.

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[JOHN]: I think highest of all the ones from this season.

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[JOHN]: I love the fact that he,

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[JOHN]: and guessing but it looked like you also sort of took from half life with the thing on the roof that the plant life, I love it where they kind of go, is it flora or is it fauna?

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[JOHN]: I don't know

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[JOHN]: It presents itself as floor.

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[JOHN]: So this was great.

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[JOHN]: I loved it.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely loved it.

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[JOHN]: I think coming in very closely for me was last of a season two.

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[JOHN]: I just think the continuation of that was really hyped for and delivered.

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[JOHN]: And it delivered really, really well.

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[JOHN]: I mean, I think most of the non-marvel stuff I just really enjoyed this year.

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[JOHN]: And even Star Wars skeleton crew, I keep

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[JOHN]: Repeating, no one told me anything about no asset of, I mean, all you was, I can't believe I'm still saying that phrase that Nick Frost was saying, and I just thought, you know, as a, in a sense, as a

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[JOHN]: as a kid's kind of live action entry into the stars.

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[JOHN]: I thought it was really, really good.

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[JOHN]: Sort of great adventure.

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[JOHN]: I enjoyed that more than I thought it was going to.

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[DEREK]: Do you know what keeps things going on?

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[JOHN]: I'm the same with Witcher Season 4.

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[JOHN]: Well, I just was pleased to be actually back in the world of the Witcher.

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[JOHN]: I quite like it, with all its craziness.

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[DEREK]: It took me a little bit more time to get into the Witcher this season than I've had in previous seasons.

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[DEREK]: But yeah, it's not.

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[DEREK]: Massive a character that the change over Liam Hanger has destroyed the show?

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[DEREK]: No, I don't think it's that big a character.

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[DEREK]: If you remember, it's been turned quite successfully into video games where you have the controller in your hand and you're controlling the character, so there's not much there.

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[DEREK]: You need it.

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[DEREK]: It's a very basic shell of a character that's there, and the games are better than the books as I mentioned many times before, so I thought season 4 did a good job.

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[DEREK]: By the end of it, I was going right, we need to get on to season 5 now, you've set everything up and set up.

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[DEREK]: And there was some great moments in there and then having the the rats movie spin-off was Real surprise and a bit of a a bit of a weird way to do it They had a spin-off of the characters.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, from the show which we won't we won't talk about that bit But you could only watch it if you'd watch the episode show it only unlocked for your Netflix if you watched every episode on Netflix Which of that was really interesting?

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[JOHN]: I'm glad we looked I'm glad we watched it and guys we kind of podcasted on it as well me too because you know

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[JOHN]: It was actually still quite good, I mean, it was a bit weird, as you say, how they didn't have it linked into the overall series, so it essentially has a bit of spoilers about it.

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[DEREK]: A big time, yeah, that you do not watch it unless you've seen the Witcher Season 4 of course, but it was originally intended to be its own show, got kind, and then turned into a movie featuring these characters, one of our film.

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[DEREK]: I'm Delph Lungren.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly.

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[JOHN]: And I mean for me, some of the witches spin-offs, whether it's the animation, all of the blood oranges as always been really good.

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[JOHN]: Still can't say blood origin, can you go?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, that's why I said blood origin.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah, yeah.

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[CHRIS]: I'm going to quickly give, invincible, the flyer is it, and kind of just, it deserves in this year or in last year.

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[CHRIS]: It came out so early back in February, March, that I,

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[CHRIS]: forgot it was last year and we are waiting for the next one and we are getting it this year supposedly and it's going to be what I can only assume is going to be spectacular.

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[CHRIS]: It is one of those shows that I've

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[CHRIS]: always thought there's no way this will continue.

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[CHRIS]: There's no way that they will adapt this well.

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[CHRIS]: There's nothing like an every year.

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[CHRIS]: I see more people talk about it.

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[CHRIS]: I see more people kind of get on board and I so see them actually land like each episode or each overall

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[CHRIS]: Flabbergasted.

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[CHRIS]: I'm so happy and I'm hoping it's still very much like community six seasons and a movie.

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[CHRIS]: I'm pooping, invincible six seasons and a movie like that's where I'm kind of aiming for my expectations.

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[DEREK]: I know one of the things we do talk about in the podcast, Chris, is the casting that they use to hype up the show.

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[DEREK]: It's fantastic.

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[DEREK]: A lot of the actors that are there are all from the the Walking Dead universe.

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[DEREK]: So this season, one of the big moments is that we had the main actor who played Glenn and the Walking Dead facing off against one of his biggest villains played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who was the character of the Kill of Glenn in the Walking Dead.

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[DEREK]: So

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[DEREK]: So what a great moment to get anybody who is missing at the Walking Dead to have a little moment where they can see, I think I have a little bit of wishful film to have, to have Glenn win.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah.

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[CHRIS]: I will say since I missed the Witcher.

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[CHRIS]: I'm less on season 4.

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[CHRIS]: It's not that it's bad and it's nothing to do with Liam.

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[CHRIS]: It is very much actually I just I think they it almost this episode with a season felt a lot more drawn out.

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[CHRIS]: They were trying to settle by everything to finish it for season the next season and it's just felt I jokingly called it the season that could have been an email.

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[CHRIS]: It just felt like there was some important things in there, some nice things in there, some great scenes and some great parts, like half episodes, it just felt some of the other pieces, some of the journey could have been

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[CHRIS]: Cut if you will like you just and it's just I don't know and I can't put my finger on any particular Well, I can put my finger on a few threads or I'm like nope, that makes no sense.

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[CHRIS]: Oh, I don't like the bush Anyway, I'm happy to see it's still there and I think let's get to the season five and see how they land this plane And I'm going to be very happy with when they do because I have then they've completed the story and we can see their vision end to end Oh, how they want to do it

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[DEREK]: And I, for one, would much rather that than just saying, oh, well, Henry Gavel's guns, they were not gonna exactly the story.

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[DEREK]: And it certainly wasn't.

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[DEREK]: And we talked about it on our podcast about it.

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[DEREK]: It certainly wasn't the, at the 4 at a 10 type of racing zone for the episodes that was just unbelievable to me.

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[DEREK]: The people would take the time out of their day to say,

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[DEREK]: Not this isn't a show for me.

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[JOHN]: There's a show that nobody should watch it badly made because it wasn't definitely But I mean let me say really good action pieces in this.

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[JOHN]: I mean the attack of You know by villager faults against all all the sorcerers The sorcerers say they're like really really good.

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[JOHN]: You know I think episode six and episode four We've just kind of real stand out From from that series.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I think you're right Chris.

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[JOHN]: I think they

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[JOHN]: took their time with it and there was a little bit of going over things and partly and probably for because Liam was involved but and partly because it had been so long since the last season.

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[JOHN]: I mean that's the other side of it.

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[DEREK]: Liam took over when there were rumors that Henry Caval was going to go back and play Superman again.

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[DEREK]: Like that's how long ago this was for four years ago when when he stepped out.

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[DEREK]: So I did really like the idea that

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[DEREK]: The opening would be, you know, in the moments going back through the previous three seasons, having those big moments in him playing the role of it, there was a really good idea.

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[DEREK]: It did take up an entire episode of the show, which is only eight to get us through for a season.

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[DEREK]: But thankfully, not long to wait until we come back with more next season.

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[DEREK]: Really good.

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[DEREK]: and guys from the poll from our wonderful listeners on Facebook and on Discord are lovely listeners do agree with us and early nerth was the best show of the year closely followed by the last of the season 2 over on Discord and it's the Samman final season over on Facebook and I want to mention the Samman final season and I

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, loved the treatment of the show.

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[DEREK]: I know John has never read any of the Sandman comics.

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[CHRIS]: Still have a tattoo on her.

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[DEREK]: It was being guided through it.

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[DEREK]: And I felt there were moments that I was waiting to hear what John thought about episodes of the show because the stories are so central to me because I've read them many times over the years.

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[DEREK]: And I'm so glad they were able to bring you along as a...

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[DEREK]: That's a non-reader of the comics in such a detailed way when they only had these two seasons to tell this massive epic story.

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[DEREK]: They really did a good job, but I think that they're really definitely, definitely just behind the scenes.

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[JOHN]: You know, I think when you're tapping into a source material that is so rich and almost unfilian, like stroke issues, not even just rich because of, you know,

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[JOHN]: the original bass characters but then how they've been treated by Neil Gaiman I think it's just really excellent and it was for me it was such a really good show yeah and as I say I just wish I could have cast my vote for more than one but I wasn't allowed that is not allowed on these polls because there's only HOS I want to give it the finished answer and I'd be able to vote for everything if I let it open to it and more than one vote so

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[DEREK]: You can only do one or more in all the witches season for no and plus anyway, that's a guess of those it is a good Somebody enjoyed it's exactly fantastic Let's get some feedback on the other shows that were done for the years guys

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[DEREK]: Um, so starting age over with with with Philippine who gave us his thoughts on shows for the year and that he watched it side of Marvel And he says the last of us the last of us part two of my favorite games of all time and I've been gaming for years I've loved the games and the adaptation the way between seasons is a bit of a bummer though So this cliffhire won't pale for a while I'm confident they'll continue to do a great job, but this time there was no episode like Bill and Frank's this season But the museum episode was fantastic

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[DEREK]: Yeah, that was an excellent piece.

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[JOHN]: I think just the way they got into the rocket And this sort of just the imagination of Blasting off into space.

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[DEREK]: Yes, I thought it was excellent like from from the game that is such an emotional moment in the second game And we were waiting for how it would be done on on screen that it's such a great job They held it for the right time in the season to show it

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[DEREK]: to the audience so you can really feel the connection between the character as well.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely excellent.

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[DEREK]: We know for the next season, season three of the last of us Craig Mason is going to be soul show runner for season three, Neil Druckman's going back to his gaming origins, he's no longer going to be involved in the show.

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[DEREK]: He's got a big game coming out in a couple of years time, which takes a lot of his time, so he's moving away from TV production.

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[DEREK]: And just last week, we heard that Denny Romeras, who played Mani in season two of the last of us, is moving on, kind of understandably, he plays the Falcon in the Avengers, so the Avengers came to colon, so he's off to the MCU or off to continue his massive stint in the MCU.

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[DEREK]: He's had a pretty good career over the last couple of years since starting work on the last of us, he's done top-con-maveric, and then

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[DEREK]: obviously Captain America brave new world and now into the Avengers.

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[DEREK]: So understandable, the character of Bonnie is probably only going to have another episode or so in the show.

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[DEREK]: So yeah, it's probably okay for him to move on to bigger and better things, right?

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[CHRIS]: They can also kill him while screaming before him.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely not gonna happen.

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[JOHN]: It will be nice if he was still there push it.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, totally on the same way he would be moving on.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I've not allowed to spoil anything about deaths of future characters Chris push him.

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[DEREK]: He'll be on.

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[DEREK]: Great stuff.

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[DEREK]: So, yes, other feedback on shows from last year, I've got a Joel chapter just simply says so much go to TV this year.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely loads of good stuff, loads of good stuff, so much we didn't get to see as well, which will come to you very briefly, as well, so totally with you there, Joel.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, and Brandy Moulless says, I wish I could have joined the pub quiz, I was late to the party, but Gen Z was fantastic.

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[JOHN]: The new season of the boys can't come soon enough, your clever ways of keeping mature show PG is extremely entertaining, yes, I do quite like that myself, pretty good.

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[JOHN]: Um, a bit of, uh, a new endo, uh, is always good.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, you're at directors.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, exactly.

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[DEREK]: It's always good fun, but the only thing I actually still find challenging is finding quotes from the show.

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[DEREK]: We have a quote at the top of every single podcast at every week for gen v.

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[DEREK]: I'm going to say any parts of these episodes of the donkers.

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[JOHN]: We should just do a foul-mouthed, smutty podcast.

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[DEREK]: Honestly, we would, and I think we could probably get it done there, but unfortunately there's no transcription services on every single podcast service that we use from Apple to Spotify, they all transcribe.

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[JOHN]: And they will literally cut us because we're marked as a... We should see what they say when they transcribe what we do say.

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[JOHN]: And RPG podcasts, it's so blue.

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[JOHN]: You need to donate my accent.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, have a read of the transcripts.

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[DEREK]: Sometimes they are hilarious.

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[DEREK]: I wouldn't trust them and when you look for it when you look for the pub quiz question, it's not like that.

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[JOHN]: It certainly shouldn't hold up in a court of law.

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[JOHN]: That's what it is.

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[CHRIS]: And yes, Genvy was absolutely spectacular.

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[CHRIS]: We haven't got to say that much, but it was, that was a great two season, especially setting up the boys this year.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: The farewell to Chase Pizarre and Pedro Mullen and incorporating his character through right the series being such a fundamental part of such an excellent way to use the characters for for GenV, really enjoyed it.

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[DEREK]: So, really happy to see.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, that's a good part of the story.

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[DEREK]: Brewing for Season 5 of the Boys of Final Season.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, buddy.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah, thanks, Brandy.

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[CHRIS]: Thanks, Brandy.

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[CHRIS]: We also have some feedback on coffee and vodka, who at this to say, Greetings fellow old-line Zion defenders.

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[CHRIS]: There's been better, there's been worse, but what else to expect from streaming content made in an age of celebrated dystopianism?

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[CHRIS]: from the person who's washable, such as the skeleton crew, to the main thing, brave new world, to the cream of the crop, invincible, and those of Machia 3 episodes of Daredevil born again.

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[CHRIS]: It's been a rickety roller coaster ever, right?

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[CHRIS]: I thought someone would take the year's best award, but as good as it was, the surprise MPP for me has to have been alien Earth.

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[CHRIS]: I can't wait for season 2.

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[CHRIS]: What's smooth out the ride has been your discussions.

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[CHRIS]: Though Chris has been missed glad to hear he's doing better.

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[CHRIS]: Thanks for having me like a.

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[CHRIS]: Thanks for all you do.

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[CHRIS]: I have two questions.

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[CHRIS]: What was your favorite of the year and has John finally started reading Sandman.

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[CHRIS]: Peace and take care.

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[CHRIS]: Coffee and vodka.

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[CHRIS]: Well, coffee and vodka.

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[CHRIS]: The answer to part one of that is all our earliest discussions.

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[CHRIS]: And the answer to part two is no, and I think he's like he said it's a badge of honor for him.

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[JOHN]: There it's not.

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[JOHN]: I will never say that about not reading something.

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[JOHN]: because he only watches content there.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely, yes, I'm happy you've never read that either.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly, but I think, you know, I mean, it's just on a very long list and it's given the size of the books or the collected hardback, altruist editions that you have.

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[JOHN]: And I would probably get crushed under the weight of them if I tried to take them on holiday to read by the pool.

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[JOHN]: It would fall out my hands and would crush my head and it would just be this water melon explosion.

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[JOHN]: That's so heavy.

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[DEREK]: But it's read the ball and my arms aren't that much stronger than you.

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[JOHN]: But I think...

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[JOHN]: Yeah, they're just on an incredibly long list it at the moment.

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[JOHN]: You see I've got the devils by Joanne Abercrombie that I've got to read I have his new trilogy to read the rest of the wheel of time Yes, at least the next book in the wheel of time So there is a lot of stuff, but I do think I will get around to them this year

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[JOHN]: But don't quote me, I'll just do that for you.

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[DEREK]: No, I think you're good.

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[DEREK]: I think you're good, Sarah.

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[DEREK]: I can point you in the direction of St. Goodman.

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[DEREK]: So I've almost had you reading death that I cost of living before we had podcasts about that final episode of Sanman.

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[DEREK]: I had a late age ready to go for you to read.

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[CHRIS]: And he put a coffee down on top of it.

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[CHRIS]: And what is this?

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[CHRIS]: And co-starred.

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[CHRIS]: I mean, you should get all lecterns.

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[CHRIS]: So we can open it.

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[CHRIS]: And today, it's like a Bible.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Great stuff.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, coffee and vodka.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, coffee and vodka.

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[DEREK]: We get to some of the shows we missed in 2025, guys.

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[DEREK]: Because you mentioned one right there, Chris.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: One of the shows that we had to sacrifice this year.

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[DEREK]: It was the Wheel of Time season three.

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[DEREK]: Just trying to be a really bad time.

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[DEREK]: Chris was moving ice.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Has moved taste, has moved out of his home.

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[DEREK]: during that time and then we went on holiday and when we came back we were waiting for a point because it's Chris's show for Chris to come back and we ended off getting backed up with all the other things that we did and then quite quickly sadly after the show had been released they announced the cancellation that we were the time.

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[CHRIS]: It is it's especially they were doing something different they were doing something quite unique and I think the

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[CHRIS]: and strangely

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[CHRIS]: I think when you put it down to business, exactly, a business that'd be going, okay, where we have Lord of the Rings rings a power fantasy, a high fantasy show, costing X, and we have Wheel of Time, a high fantasy show, costing Y, and they just see both as that, that high fantasy show, A and five fantasy will be, and they put the cost and costs and some of the things together, I think it was just unfortunate.

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[CHRIS]: product of what the time we are in in terms of cost savings and things like that.

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[CHRIS]: I think apparently we're still doing some good numbers just didn't do the right number of numbers.

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[CHRIS]: The cost was spectacular, wasn't like getting the opportunity out of the part of us.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah, I would have liked to have seen some of the later parts of the series, a books and on-screen, and who knows?

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[CHRIS]: Maybe in the future.

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[CHRIS]: But I think my imagination is

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[CHRIS]: the best I would get out of it.

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[CHRIS]: Well, with the rise of gender debate, I could just probably do it myself.

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[CHRIS]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Amazing.

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[DEREK]: I was brilliant.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: No, keep it.

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[DEREK]: Yes.

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[DEREK]: Thanks.

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[DEREK]: But the one thing that I'll say, but from behind the scenes, the cast were saying that they were noticing a distinct shift.

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[DEREK]: in the fandom, by the time I got to the third season, the fandom of the people that we're just saying it's not the books we hath either gone away or had been convinced to enjoy what was being delivered for them.

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[DEREK]: But the one thing that they were always saying was a bit of a challenge for them.

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[DEREK]: There's a what's a 14 books in the total series, including the Brandon Sanderson taking over.

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[DEREK]: and they hadn't defined exactly where the end point for the show was.

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[DEREK]: And when you have a lot of actors on a show like that, who need to work out their timings and when they're going to be free and you don't have an end point for them, it gets difficult to lock them in for a long-term storyline.

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[DEREK]: So there were questions over how long the show was going to run, and as you mentioned Chris, yes, of course, something like the Ring of Power being connected to the Lord of Rings, which is a much more recognizable franchise new movie coming out in the next couple of years.

56:54.047 --> 57:02.959
[DEREK]: So having those two properties on the platform, if you have to make a decision, within the two rings of power is probably where you go, but it did seem to be the

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[DEREK]: The dial was turning towards people watching it.

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[DEREK]: There were more people watching at we live time, but just not enough to say what we'll invest about.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, of course you can support two fancy shows if there's a number, they didn't have them unfortunately.

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[DEREK]: But, John, you watch the season.

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[JOHN]: I did a really enjoyed it.

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[JOHN]: In a sense that there's almost a bit of regret they hadn't pulled in some of the future or past elements a bit sooner.

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[JOHN]: I know there'd been little glimpses of it like at the start of season two just very briefly and then that was it.

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[JOHN]: But I loved how they were exploring and the forsaken more I thought that was really really good and

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[JOHN]: And I do, I feel, you know, it's like, say, I mean, I wouldn't know where to start with 18 books.

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[JOHN]: I think, like, I'm probably even people who I know have read them.

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[JOHN]: So it's just self-christ, but like also Nath and so on.

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[JOHN]: It's just like, you know, yes, there's a drop-off, let's say.

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[JOHN]: And I do think, um,

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[JOHN]: Maybe Chris, you didn't say that, but I know he says, you know, yeah, there is a drop off, like he's always said like the first six, I think, seven or like they're really sort of really kind of focused and really good.

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[JOHN]: So I, and to me honest, I was really enjoying this, but it is it's difficult to understand where we're finished, but I did watch and I really enjoyed it.

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[JOHN]: And it is a bit of a regret that we haven't done it.

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[JOHN]: The completionist in me wants to do it, and maybe at some point,

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[JOHN]: If we have downtime at some point I might a bit like how we did penny dreadful that time and totally finished But we did it and we did three seasons of it.

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[JOHN]: Well, that was based on the fact there was a new series Well, that is true.

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[JOHN]: Who knows it might get taken up somewhere else so and certainly yeah I think we live time season three again We didn't do andosses one by again andosses and two really just

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[JOHN]: great wish we had done that and I don't know what this says about me because I think there's and all season too and I didn't think anything of it but it was just it to welcome to dairy which was fantastic really challenging really scary really sort of disturbing but absolutely loved it and and then also kind of watching roughly at the same time he said rivalry and which was

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: So I mean, you know, speaking of doing a smoothy sort of podcast, not that it was smoothy, but we could have quite easily done it for heated rivalry.

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[JOHN]: I don't know, I guess.

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[JOHN]: You're talking about it.

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[JOHN]: Exactly.

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[JOHN]: And it's a loads of stuff here.

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[JOHN]: I think that, um,

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[JOHN]: that we could have covered in 2025.

01:00:01.804 --> 01:00:05.251
[DEREK]: It's interesting when I was listening at all the things that we could have covered during the year.

01:00:05.311 --> 01:00:08.898
[DEREK]: So many of them cross over our periods when we were really busy.

01:00:08.918 --> 01:00:14.249
[DEREK]: So, you know, things like it welcomed dairy and pluribus and stranger things.

01:00:14.650 --> 01:00:17.135
[DEREK]: And he had rivalry all came out in one month.

01:00:17.175 --> 01:00:19.620
[DEREK]: They became a December of this year, which was a month.

01:00:19.600 --> 01:00:21.602
[DEREK]: that we were never going to be able to record much of.

01:00:22.203 --> 01:00:28.291
[DEREK]: We finished our podcasting for December back on the second week of December and then we wouldn't have been able to record it again any way.

01:00:28.311 --> 01:00:31.455
[JOHN]: So we would literally have to move to doing a reaction thing.

01:00:31.475 --> 01:00:31.815
[DEREK]: Exactly.

01:00:31.975 --> 01:00:32.316
[DEREK]: Okay.

01:00:32.336 --> 01:00:33.057
[DEREK]: Yay.

01:00:33.417 --> 01:00:33.678
[DEREK]: Right.

01:00:33.718 --> 01:00:34.719
[DEREK]: All three next one.

01:00:34.739 --> 01:00:43.650
[DEREK]: Isn't it awesome that that guy's scored a goal and he's a rivalry.

01:00:43.630 --> 01:00:53.496
[DEREK]: But yeah, I would say for me, my biggest show of the year that we didn't cover the one I absolutely thought was incredible was it welcome to very Yeah, I'm a huge horror fan.

01:00:54.198 --> 01:01:00.154
[DEREK]: I think that it's such a brilliant job, and it's definitely coming bouncing back from the worst DC movie.

01:01:00.134 --> 01:01:02.277
[DEREK]: Nobody can, can tell me different.

01:01:02.437 --> 01:01:10.248
[DEREK]: The flash came back to where he does better work, coming back to horror, doing a brilliant treatment of a prequel series.

01:01:10.548 --> 01:01:29.635
[DEREK]: How do you do a prequel series based on, you know, four pages of the original It Marvel telling you what happened and deliver something so scary and so good.

01:01:30.121 --> 01:01:36.388
[CHRIS]: I will say that the sequel, Dairy Girls, we have to see a different flavor of the show.

01:01:37.029 --> 01:01:38.331
[CHRIS]: That's hilarious.

01:01:38.351 --> 01:01:42.315
[CHRIS]: I was thinking, and it's also a horror movie for the orange movie.

01:01:45.019 --> 01:01:47.782
[CHRIS]: It was one of my top two.

01:01:47.942 --> 01:01:56.432
[CHRIS]: It was not expecting what it was, and as it each episode continued,

01:01:56.412 --> 01:02:14.337
[CHRIS]: Oh, oh, okay, this is a bit different and again just with the the losers club and how you're expanding out the the 27 years just fantastic the connection to other Stephen King

01:02:14.317 --> 01:02:25.435
[CHRIS]: properties, without giving anything away, and how that is done, what is done and why it's done, and makes me want those properties as a follow-up as well.

01:02:25.995 --> 01:02:31.724
[CHRIS]: Like the kind of pre-shining or shilling as it will.

01:02:32.946 --> 01:02:33.748
[DEREK]: Fantastic.

01:02:34.048 --> 01:02:35.030
[DEREK]: It was really really good.

01:02:35.050 --> 01:02:39.717
[DEREK]: I think the way I kind of describe it now

01:02:39.697 --> 01:02:54.371
[DEREK]: Welcome to Larry as a show, a bass kid's going through horrific experience, stranger things, started out as a show, four kids going through scary experiences, Anna's gone all the way up to them being now being adults going through these experiences.

01:02:54.971 --> 01:03:09.265
[DEREK]: So they are similar shows, but I wouldn't say to kid, Jennifer, I'm too welcome to Larry, just because they're a 12-year-old kid, and it's my god, they tell you, right up front in the opening scene of the first episode, this is a show not for children, you cannot put your children in front of this.

01:03:09.245 --> 01:03:10.687
[DEREK]: Yeah, what did you think of strange things guys?

01:03:10.707 --> 01:03:12.310
[DEREK]: That was going to be the final season of things.

01:03:12.410 --> 01:03:14.774
[CHRIS]: My other top one for the year.

01:03:15.435 --> 01:03:16.958
[CHRIS]: So happy with how it was done.

01:03:17.438 --> 01:03:20.724
[CHRIS]: The format in terms of part one part two by three.

01:03:22.026 --> 01:03:22.887
[CHRIS]: I actually enjoyed it.

01:03:23.268 --> 01:03:27.675
[CHRIS]: I wish you could have almost been a shorter, even if it was weekly.

01:03:27.655 --> 01:03:31.627
[DEREK]: I kind of like the idea that, you know, if we don't have Thanksgiving in our oven, but it's America's show.

01:03:31.667 --> 01:03:35.016
[DEREK]: So putting it thanksgiving Christmas New Year's, what a great way to say, right?

01:03:35.036 --> 01:03:39.610
[DEREK]: You've got to day off, sit down and watch the show that you've been watching for seven or eight years now.

01:03:39.630 --> 01:03:42.458
[DEREK]: You know, what a cool way to use your holidays.

01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:43.221
[CHRIS]: Great.

01:03:43.361 --> 01:03:44.866
[CHRIS]: It's just very much for us.

01:03:45.146 --> 01:03:57.882
[CHRIS]: If you miss, if you can't watch it within the first two to three, two days, being very honest, minutes, you are, you cannot go online.

01:03:57.862 --> 01:04:11.393
[CHRIS]: I love the make up your own mind, ending of how whether certain people and places and animals and things survive and where they are in the future.

01:04:11.674 --> 01:04:12.536
[CHRIS]: I like that.

01:04:13.658 --> 01:04:14.841
[CHRIS]: I like the

01:04:14.821 --> 01:04:16.003
[CHRIS]: How it was told.

01:04:16.083 --> 01:04:21.813
[CHRIS]: I like how it was pulled together on that thread as a problem.

01:04:21.833 --> 01:04:28.445
[DEREK]: Yeah, because there's absolutely a temptation when you get to an end of a show that's been so dominant like that on Netflix.

01:04:29.426 --> 01:04:31.590
[DEREK]: There's a temptation to go, we'll leave something there.

01:04:31.650 --> 01:04:37.200
[DEREK]: I'll leave a lot there for the sequel series that we're going to come out with when we've had a little bit of a break.

01:04:37.180 --> 01:04:43.349
[DEREK]: And they did a such a great job to have that final error of the show being the wrap-up of every character.

01:04:43.370 --> 01:04:51.182
[DEREK]: Everybody gets their moment, everybody gets to say goodbye, and I must say I was an absolute floods of tears for that whole segment of the show.

01:04:51.482 --> 01:04:54.767
[DEREK]: Probably the emotion into it, and say goodbye to the characters in such a...

01:04:54.747 --> 01:04:59.191
[JOHN]: I was surprised how much I wanted to kind of keep watching it.

01:04:59.592 --> 01:05:06.578
[JOHN]: It felt like they were actually getting into the nitty grissie of the story that they promised in season one.

01:05:06.718 --> 01:05:16.968
[JOHN]: I know that's on strange, but it sounds strange, but it's not like I didn't like the previous season.

01:05:17.048 --> 01:05:22.273
[JOHN]: It's just I don't really remember it other than the sort of the big death.

01:05:22.642 --> 01:05:34.497
[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly, and it's kind of like that over-took it a bit, but I just found compelled to keep watching stranger things and was annoyed that there was this gap actually.

01:05:34.818 --> 01:05:46.473
[JOHN]: So, first used to them, they really pulled me back in and I really enjoyed this final season, a lot, and I was glad how it kind of wrapped up really nicely.

01:05:46.493 --> 01:05:52.581
[CHRIS]: Supposedly, I think you might be getting a secret episode

01:05:52.561 --> 01:06:01.465
[DEREK]: That day's past, and I loved how Netflix were playing with the fans who thought that it was all going to be rewritten.

01:06:01.485 --> 01:06:08.123
[DEREK]: They started out going for one last ride on the 12th of January, the making of episode for a serendent thing.

01:06:08.103 --> 01:06:28.196
[DEREK]: And then they put out lots of amazing epic storytelling to come and put out their trailer for all the shows coming out from Netflix this year And then finally they changed the title on the strangest things saying all episodes never available for stream on Netflix on their adverts Just to say right it's done now Everybody go watch us and enjoy it.

01:06:28.476 --> 01:06:32.102
[DEREK]: We'll rewatch it if you want to see more So, yes, glad they did it that way

01:06:32.082 --> 01:06:35.328
[DEREK]: There's one other thing that we didn't cover this year that I really think we should have.

01:06:35.388 --> 01:06:39.957
[DEREK]: I wish we'd been able to, and we didn't get to the cinnamon time to watch Superman.

01:06:40.037 --> 01:06:41.660
[DEREK]: Yeah, it is a DC movie.

01:06:41.720 --> 01:06:44.606
[DEREK]: It's the first big movie in the new James Gunn universe.

01:06:44.626 --> 01:06:49.254
[DEREK]: So it would have been fun to go and chat about that on the podcast.

01:06:49.274 --> 01:06:54.644
[DEREK]: But we started it the podcast many years ago as a Batman podcast when we were covering Gotham.

01:06:54.684 --> 01:06:54.985
[DEREK]: So,

01:06:54.965 --> 01:07:02.160
[DEREK]: We will always cover about man movies when they commit in the cinema, but the rest of the DC universe has been a little of his hit or miss as to whether we cover them.

01:07:02.200 --> 01:07:07.971
[DEREK]: Superman just came out again in that poor old wind of time where we couldn't get to the cinema in a reasonable amount of time.

01:07:07.991 --> 01:07:08.853
[DEREK]: But we've all seen it, right?

01:07:08.873 --> 01:07:11.218
[DEREK]: We've all seen Sam on there.

01:07:11.198 --> 01:07:11.999
[DEREK]: Hopeful movie.

01:07:12.600 --> 01:07:12.840
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:07:12.860 --> 01:07:13.662
[DEREK]: I think you're wrong.

01:07:13.682 --> 01:07:14.102
[JOHN]: Yes.

01:07:14.283 --> 01:07:14.803
[JOHN]: Definitely.

01:07:15.084 --> 01:07:15.545
[DEREK]: Definitely.

01:07:15.605 --> 01:07:17.848
[DEREK]: The kind of Superman that we, you want to watch.

01:07:17.908 --> 01:07:18.068
[DEREK]: Right.

01:07:18.088 --> 01:07:25.099
[DEREK]: The kind of one that gives hope to everybody around the world that there is someone there that will actually try and save people.

01:07:25.279 --> 01:07:25.880
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:26.381
[DEREK]: Which is great.

01:07:27.102 --> 01:07:28.284
[CHRIS]: It's not the MCU.

01:07:29.185 --> 01:07:29.866
[CHRIS]: It is not.

01:07:30.367 --> 01:07:31.909
[CHRIS]: That's not what they're trying to build.

01:07:32.490 --> 01:07:33.932
[CHRIS]: They're building their own.

01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:50.487
[CHRIS]: rule set by what these films can be and I think like we'll probably enter chatting about it before supergirl when that comes to me so I think we'll probably be able to even if our thoughts are part of supergirl we just call it the supers.

01:07:50.467 --> 01:07:53.351
[CHRIS]: Have you played TV podcast industry?

01:07:53.371 --> 01:07:53.551
[DEREK]: Maybe.

01:07:53.571 --> 01:07:53.692
[DEREK]: Maybe.

01:07:54.373 --> 01:07:57.457
[DEREK]: I think we could probably reserve one podcast to talk about Superman.

01:07:57.497 --> 01:07:58.939
[DEREK]: I bet another podcast.

01:07:58.959 --> 01:07:59.059
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.262
[DEREK]: If we're going to go into the DC movie universe.

01:08:01.282 --> 01:08:02.905
[DEREK]: I think it's just, no.

01:08:03.746 --> 01:08:15.763
[CHRIS]: I think it's just, like you said, the word hopeful is trying to separate and itself from what superhero films are and have been.

01:08:16.844 --> 01:08:19.528
[CHRIS]: I think James Gunn has.

01:08:19.508 --> 01:08:39.036
[CHRIS]: And some people may not like it, but it has jamed quantified that DC universe in terms of the suicide squad in terms of piecemaker and creature commandos and how he very much he has a very particular style and tone and

01:08:39.016 --> 01:08:53.855
[CHRIS]: I think, when we will see Supergirl, this will be the first non-James gun product, well, maybe not, because we'll have to see when lanterns come out.

01:08:55.678 --> 01:09:08.314
[CHRIS]: But the lanterns and Supergirl are going to be the first two of those, so I think that will be an interesting thing.

01:09:08.294 --> 01:09:15.686
[CHRIS]: back to what the early Christopher Reeves, Richard Donner, Superman, was fantastic.

01:09:15.706 --> 01:09:18.310
[CHRIS]: It was just okay David Quantwatt was amazing.

01:09:18.350 --> 01:09:20.293
[JOHN]: Yeah, really good casting for it.

01:09:21.395 --> 01:09:30.910
[JOHN]: You know, a bit like Henry Cavill as well with Man of Steel, like I was still to this day, Man of Steel is one of my favorite Superman.

01:09:30.890 --> 01:09:37.480
[JOHN]: movies, and I think this, for me, wasn't a story that, but I like James Gunn's sensibilities.

01:09:37.881 --> 01:09:45.293
[JOHN]: Um, I mean, I can't imagine watching piecemaker made by anyone else, other than James Gunn.

01:09:46.134 --> 01:09:55.108
[JOHN]: You know, Guardians of the Galaxy, I think he has this neck of taking properties, making them a little quirky and unique.

01:09:55.088 --> 01:10:04.158
[JOHN]: But in viewing them with huge amounts of hearts, soul, and emotion, and I think that's what he's done really was Superman You know, it's like having crypto.

01:10:04.278 --> 01:10:20.235
[DEREK]: Yeah, you know, yeah, it's just I can see James gone all over that So I'm pouring his heart into like you know behind the scenes that's his dog that the the image of crypto is based on dog is a very very cute so very cool

01:10:20.215 --> 01:10:26.784
[DEREK]: Yeah, like, you know, I would say similar to yourself, John, I wouldn't have watched peacemaker if James gun wasn't the person behind that.

01:10:27.025 --> 01:10:37.600
[DEREK]: I think he, the only person that could have brought that to screen, it's an okay show, I'd say after a while of people's heads exploding, I was kind of going, yeah, okay, at least the boys and gen V have more of a story than this.

01:10:37.580 --> 01:10:42.868
[DEREK]: But eventually it worked into a good series by the last couple of episodes of really really cool.

01:10:43.629 --> 01:10:56.247
[DEREK]: But I think there are a better high-violence shows available and Superman was really good and it's a 4 out of 5 for me, not the greatest superhero movie of all time, not the best Superman movie of all time, but a great restart for this universe, I think.

01:10:56.227 --> 01:11:22.808
[DEREK]: after a few of these movies came out as you mentioned Chris supergirl coming up this year which should be good fun millial alcott looks fantastic and passes as supergirl could be really interesting the one i'm really excited for though it's play face a lot of horror and this you know really really interesting because he's been treated a bit of a joke for for many years over in the Harley Quinn animated show the play face character i have no idea what you mean

01:11:22.788 --> 01:11:25.272
[DEREK]: will lend himself to something very interesting, though.

01:11:25.292 --> 01:11:30.522
[DEREK]: So I'm intrigued to see what they do with that character, which we'll see later on in 2026.

01:11:31.624 --> 01:11:34.669
[DEREK]: Any other things that we should have talked about last year that we haven't mentioned, yes?

01:11:34.689 --> 01:11:47.091
[JOHN]: I know you mentioned previously, it's just to come back on Pluribus, not something on my radar at all, and in fact, you know, from the makers' showrunner of Better Call Saul, which never watched.

01:11:47.071 --> 01:11:52.677
[JOHN]: It's been like the Sprano's, never really watched that, didn't really watch breaking birds, the best of all.

01:11:52.937 --> 01:11:58.042
[JOHN]: So I was kind of, this wasn't on my radar at all, and just really enjoyed this.

01:11:58.062 --> 01:12:01.846
[JOHN]: I just was, I was just how, how can they deal with this concept?

01:12:01.866 --> 01:12:13.078
[JOHN]: So, I was recommend people check it out, see what they, they think about it, especially if you don't know the concept, go check it out, check out the first episode and see if you're, you're, you're, you're, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're

01:12:13.058 --> 01:12:18.537
[JOHN]: Yeah, I think the central character, the actor is just fantastic.

01:12:18.617 --> 01:12:19.941
[JOHN]: Right, see you more in the next one.

01:12:19.961 --> 01:12:20.744
[JOHN]: Yeah, just so good.

01:12:21.206 --> 01:12:26.022
[JOHN]: So, Pluribus and the other one is...

01:12:27.436 --> 01:12:40.943
[JOHN]: I guess in the similar vein, because it's from same people that wrote the wire, but that's we own this city as well, which has John Bernthall in, and we want to start in 2025.

01:12:41.023 --> 01:12:42.626
[JOHN]: Did that come out in 2020?

01:12:42.646 --> 01:12:45.071
[JOHN]: No, I don't think it was the age where we came to it late.

01:12:45.171 --> 01:12:45.512
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:12:45.492 --> 01:13:06.758
[JOHN]: And so yes, what it wasn't I don't think filmed and released this year we only watched it this year Yeah, they're like with the wire to be honest and and again and another and it's just a it's back in the world of the wire which I absolutely loved and I guess it's Marmites a bit like maybe breaking past Yeah, oh, Marmites

01:13:06.738 --> 01:13:09.161
[JOHN]: So, again, check that out.

01:13:09.361 --> 01:13:16.168
[JOHN]: I think it's a really interesting look at, again, police and drugs in the US in particular, around Baltimore.

01:13:16.188 --> 01:13:16.568
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:13:16.869 --> 01:13:18.010
[JOHN]: But this time with John Boothle.

01:13:18.430 --> 01:13:19.611
[JOHN]: I'm really good.

01:13:19.631 --> 01:13:21.053
[DEREK]: He's such a good actor.

01:13:21.073 --> 01:13:30.263
[DEREK]: You can have forget because you see him in the same roles, like in the Walking Dead, you see him in the Punisher, but his range is incredible when he's in different shows and different genres.

01:13:30.323 --> 01:13:31.244
[DEREK]: Really good.

01:13:31.344 --> 01:13:31.944
[DEREK]: Chris, what about yourself?

01:13:31.964 --> 01:13:33.606
[DEREK]: Anything else you haven't talked about?

01:13:33.586 --> 01:13:40.635
[CHRIS]: Because it's blurbless and it's an apple, streaming property, silo, silo season 2.

01:13:41.596 --> 01:13:44.379
[CHRIS]: It is one of those hidden gems that a lot of people.

01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:57.535
[CHRIS]: I think because it's an apple streaming series just kind of flies under the radar as this just pocket of the universe and a lot of people don't unless you have apple.

01:13:57.515 --> 01:14:06.750
[CHRIS]: streaming just don't get to unless it becomes to likes of sky or one of the other kind of yeah, terrestrial TVs for the Europe.

01:14:07.972 --> 01:14:18.409
[CHRIS]: So I think silo if you haven't watched it and you've picked up apple for a plurvis make sure you check out silo and I believe the rest of season

01:14:18.389 --> 01:14:37.309
[CHRIS]: some other episodes are coming out this year for a silo and it's going to be a good one and it's one of the things Rebecca Ferguson, so if you like Rebecca Ferguson, it's one to watch definitely I think Pluribus was the reason that we subscribed to Apple we haven't subscribed to Apple

01:14:37.289 --> 01:14:47.812
[JOHN]: Well, the other one as well on Apple for me, just I've only seen the first episode and it is very high sci-fi But I love that.

01:14:47.832 --> 01:14:48.153
[JOHN]: It's foundation.

01:14:48.273 --> 01:14:55.990
[CHRIS]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

01:14:55.970 --> 01:15:03.163
[JOHN]: Yeah, I love the first episode of that just sort of so like epic.

01:15:03.183 --> 01:15:03.263
[JOHN]: Yep.

01:15:03.984 --> 01:15:04.245
[JOHN]: Great.

01:15:04.265 --> 01:15:08.332
[JOHN]: So really interested to get back into seeing some of that as well.

01:15:08.512 --> 01:15:11.257
[DEREK]: You need something to replace your expanse from Prime Video.

01:15:11.277 --> 01:15:12.259
[DEREK]: I don't know.

01:15:12.299 --> 01:15:14.102
[CHRIS]: Well, that's the game that's coming out this year.

01:15:14.363 --> 01:15:14.984
[CHRIS]: Supposedly.

01:15:15.024 --> 01:15:15.925
[CHRIS]: But I don't believe that will.

01:15:16.787 --> 01:15:18.430
[DEREK]: Well, John played the telltale game.

01:15:18.450 --> 01:15:19.351
[DEREK]: Yeah, play the telltale.

01:15:19.391 --> 01:15:20.273
[DEREK]: Which is good.

01:15:20.253 --> 01:15:21.354
[DEREK]: Excellent, excellent.

01:15:21.374 --> 01:15:45.602
[DEREK]: Yes, that we could probably go on about all the things we didn't cover for a lot longer than all the things we did cover because there's always going to be choices that we have to make, but there was some great TV

01:15:45.582 --> 01:15:47.746
[DEREK]: and lots of shows and movies that are coming next to you.

01:15:47.766 --> 01:15:49.629
[DEREK]: We mentioned lots of movies there in the DC universe.

01:15:50.150 --> 01:15:52.935
[DEREK]: But let's go through the list of shows that are coming out.

01:15:52.955 --> 01:15:56.421
[DEREK]: We're not going to cover all of these, but stop me if there's anything other that catches your attention.

01:15:56.782 --> 01:16:04.215
[DEREK]: At first up, going next week is a night of the 7 Kingdom and another spin-off in the Game of Thrones universe.

01:16:04.195 --> 01:16:09.840
[DEREK]: based on a book that was first this time, as opposed to Game of Thrones, which still actually hasn't been finished in book four.

01:16:10.361 --> 01:16:14.465
[DEREK]: But nice and seven kingdoms is a different tale.

01:16:14.525 --> 01:16:22.112
[DEREK]: It's a nice who tries to work his way into the Targaryen family to become a nice for them.

01:16:22.232 --> 01:16:25.936
[DEREK]: So it's a very small story about this character in this massive universe.

01:16:25.976 --> 01:16:28.218
[DEREK]: It's not about the big battle for the throne.

01:16:28.238 --> 01:16:33.763
[DEREK]: It's about literally the day-to-day fight within the world, which I think

01:16:33.743 --> 01:16:42.496
[CHRIS]: Yeah, small story in the universe that they're going to turn into eight seasons and expand age and you're just this I will just quickly jump in.

01:16:43.117 --> 01:17:03.447
[CHRIS]: I I enjoy game of thrones kinds of dragons I try to get in and it's one of those I haven't yet pulled me back in and made me get this is something I'm interested or this is a story I'm interested to learn

01:17:03.427 --> 01:17:18.154
[CHRIS]: This might do it, but if it's one of those, it feels like, um, it feels like the rats, to me, it's in that, I, I'm hoping it's something I was like, oh, let's find out more.

01:17:18.194 --> 01:17:19.156
[CHRIS]: This is going to be cool.

01:17:19.677 --> 01:17:26.650
[CHRIS]: But as of right now, I'm not, it's not something I'm like, oh, wow, I'd like tell me more, do tell me more.

01:17:27.355 --> 01:17:30.718
[DEREK]: Yeah, I know what you mean, but I think for me, it's probably just that it is a bit of a lighter fair.

01:17:30.978 --> 01:17:36.643
[DEREK]: House dragon, uh, absolutely low, but it's very, very deep and very, very dark at time.

01:17:37.284 --> 01:17:42.088
[DEREK]: So when I'm watching at them sometimes going, uh, I need to decompress and watch to two episodes of task.

01:17:42.148 --> 01:17:47.273
[DEREK]: After watching one episode of this, it's certainly show I can't binge, which is different from Game of Thrones.

01:17:47.333 --> 01:17:49.055
[DEREK]: I always felt at the end of Game of Thrones.

01:17:49.275 --> 01:17:57.362
[DEREK]: And when I had dark, it got, I want to see the next episode, uh, whereas House of Dragons sometimes, I feel like, oh, at least have a week to breathe in between

01:17:57.342 --> 01:18:05.832
[CHRIS]: I get it, and I do, I get it, but there is a show coming up directly after it, which starts, that I think you could probably look forward to.

01:18:06.272 --> 01:18:11.338
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely, next up, actually coming just before it is Star Trek Starfleet Academy.

01:18:12.219 --> 01:18:19.688
[DEREK]: Set around the same time as Star Trek Discovery and the reestablishment of the Federation or the reestablishment of the new version of

01:18:19.668 --> 01:18:21.010
[DEREK]: of Star Trek and Starfleet.

01:18:22.012 --> 01:18:23.374
[DEREK]: It's a really interesting idea.

01:18:23.394 --> 01:18:32.028
[DEREK]: They're bringing back some characters from previous Star Trek shows as teachers and educators to a brand new Starfleet effectively.

01:18:32.068 --> 01:18:34.132
[DEREK]: So I think that's going to be really interesting.

01:18:34.152 --> 01:18:36.816
[DEREK]: A little of a hopeful show, as I mentioned earlier,

01:18:36.796 --> 01:18:57.403
[DEREK]: Superman and things like fantastic forward, you know, a hopeful show is always important to have on and I think this might be the one Big Star Trek fan of the Star Trek fans and so as a kid so always gonna give a Star Trek show a shot and this one just looks like it's the type of show that I want to I want to be watching so that's gonna make next week

01:18:57.383 --> 01:18:58.024
[CHRIS]: I'm interested.

01:18:58.645 --> 01:19:00.910
[CHRIS]: I'm going to give it a shot.

01:19:01.992 --> 01:19:10.789
[CHRIS]: It's not one more covering, so I think it's going to be one of those for me that I'll kind of watch one and maybe let it build up and then kind of do it that the way that I did discovery.

01:19:12.232 --> 01:19:15.658
[CHRIS]: Moving forward into a show that we are covering.

01:19:16.360 --> 01:19:20.067
[CHRIS]: That is the one and only Wonderman.

01:19:20.182 --> 01:19:38.190
[CHRIS]: Yes, this is the show that we have very little for and then they have just slowly been dropping all of these teasers and trailers and just pieces and I think it's going to be a lot of

01:19:39.385 --> 01:19:48.346
[CHRIS]: It's going to be a show that a lot of people are not expecting, based on what we've seen so far or other.

01:19:48.366 --> 01:19:53.698
[CHRIS]: It's definitely going to be a unique take on the MCU, but it is a Marvel spotlight.

01:19:53.813 --> 01:19:59.122
[DEREK]: It is, yes, just like where we're both by nice, meaning that it's only going to be this season of the show.

01:19:59.482 --> 01:20:01.926
[DEREK]: It's going to be that one season as what we believe it means.

01:20:02.367 --> 01:20:05.352
[DEREK]: And I'm probably going to add this below, but I just do want to say the embargo is on.

01:20:06.013 --> 01:20:07.515
[DEREK]: We're not allowed to say anything about the show.

01:20:08.116 --> 01:20:10.100
[DEREK]: We're not allowed to say even whether we watch it or not.

01:20:10.821 --> 01:20:15.889
[DEREK]: But I'm so excited for people to see it, and I don't know whether

01:20:15.987 --> 01:20:18.551
[DEREK]: It's just going to be spoiled by all the trailers that are coming in.

01:20:18.591 --> 01:20:30.828
[DEREK]: All the interesting twists, all the interesting concepts that are in the show, are they going to be spoiled because people think it's not being advertised well, or is the reason they're not advertising, and this is much as because they're trying to keep those things back for people to watch it.

01:20:30.848 --> 01:20:39.801
[DEREK]: It is a shame it's dropping in one day as usual, and that's the new decision from our overall for anything with Black Read in the show that they drop in one day.

01:20:39.781 --> 01:20:43.366
[DEREK]: So, for him from it as well, there's not going to be much talk about it.

01:20:43.386 --> 01:21:06.337
[DEREK]: It'll be released and people will enjoy it or people won't, and that's kind of it at the time, and forgotten, which is unfortunate, because it is something that is really exciting, having a character actor, like, I hope I'll be able to maintain the seconds in there with Serban Kingsley, and playing off each other is a really exciting moment for Marvel to have two character actors like that going up against each other for five episodes.

01:21:06.557 --> 01:21:07.078
[DEREK]: That's awesome.

01:21:07.799 --> 01:21:08.860
[DEREK]: Six episodes actually, isn't it?

01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:16.469
[DEREK]: So that's awesome, but I wish more eyes were going to be on and I wish that it could find its audience and I don't think it's going to be allowed to find its audience.

01:21:16.830 --> 01:21:27.843
[JOHN]: I mean, I'm really looking forward to having to say, I do like, I've always enjoyed and have a soft spot for Trevor Slaster.

01:21:27.943 --> 01:21:28.624
[DEREK]: Oh, Trevor.

01:21:28.644 --> 01:21:29.184
[JOHN]: Hi, Trevor.

01:21:29.545 --> 01:21:30.146
[JOHN]: Thank you.

01:21:30.806 --> 01:21:35.532
[JOHN]: And I'm really excited to see how this plays out.

01:21:35.552 --> 01:21:37.935
[CHRIS]: Definitely.

01:21:38.995 --> 01:21:42.461
[CHRIS]: I think poorly, and I think it will be a bit of a cold following.

01:21:42.941 --> 01:21:53.699
[CHRIS]: I think it will, it will be people like ourselves who cover it, who then are listeners then tell more people about it, tell more people about it, tell more people and it will be one of those.

01:21:54.580 --> 01:21:56.163
[CHRIS]: It will be very much like where we'll find it.

01:21:57.004 --> 01:22:00.750
[CHRIS]: I think that's the only unfortunate thing about it, very much also like Echo.

01:22:01.456 --> 01:22:08.427
[CHRIS]: where echo had like 14 pieces of information regarding and had ramifications when it came to wealth.

01:22:08.447 --> 01:22:17.120
[CHRIS]: Well some fisc my guts based on who we know these characters to be will have important ramifications later on in the MCU.

01:22:18.281 --> 01:22:19.363
[CHRIS]: But yeah, it's a shame.

01:22:20.221 --> 01:22:32.034
[DEREK]: Yeah, but we are so excited to talk about coming up on January 27th, that's our next show that we're going to be covering so really excited we will be talking about a episode by episode on the podcast course because it is a Marvel show and we're looking forward to chatting about it.

01:22:32.415 --> 01:22:34.737
[DEREK]: And a couple of big ones coming up this year as well.

01:22:34.878 --> 01:22:47.252
[DEREK]: And when I completely forgot about it until I was putting together the list and Blade Runner 2019 TV show spin off over on prime video and following up on Blade Runner 2045 the movie.

01:22:47.472 --> 01:22:48.473
[DEREK]: So,

01:22:48.453 --> 01:22:58.642
[DEREK]: I'm interested in treat to see what they're going to deliver in a TV show for Blade Runner in treat is the biggest piece because I've heard so little about it.

01:22:59.203 --> 01:23:03.475
[CHRIS]: It's one of these where I'm like, I'm hoping they are

01:23:03.455 --> 01:23:08.179
[CHRIS]: kind of purposely withholding a lost right now until they kind of spin up the marketing machine.

01:23:08.900 --> 01:23:12.684
[CHRIS]: When it's like, oh, it's going to be an excellent amount of time.

01:23:12.784 --> 01:23:13.905
[CHRIS]: And here's your first trailer.

01:23:13.965 --> 01:23:15.206
[CHRIS]: And here's all the costs.

01:23:15.266 --> 01:23:17.568
[CHRIS]: And here's all the reasons you need to be.

01:23:17.608 --> 01:23:20.531
[CHRIS]: It's just so little.

01:23:21.192 --> 01:23:23.434
[CHRIS]: That's what has been worried.

01:23:24.395 --> 01:23:31.842
[CHRIS]: But again, it's going, I think, hopefully the marketing machine

01:23:31.990 --> 01:23:59.247
[CHRIS]: kick into overdrive and change that, but there is a thing of course about going too early as well with your promotion for a show, you know, if you can't watch it straight away and it's on prime video, why advertise it months and they might be doing Q3 Q4, they might plan for later in the year, and that's why we've heard zulch, where I think a lot of people like myself assumed it was going to be an earlier,

01:23:59.227 --> 01:24:01.271
[CHRIS]: earlier in the year property.

01:24:01.812 --> 01:24:03.355
[CHRIS]: And that might just not be the case anymore.

01:24:05.078 --> 01:24:05.178
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:24:05.198 --> 01:24:05.298
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:24:05.318 --> 01:24:09.466
[DEREK]: And Chris, you mentioned Lantern's earlier on the other show coming into the DC universe.

01:24:09.486 --> 01:24:09.686
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:24:09.987 --> 01:24:11.089
[DEREK]: They're next TV show.

01:24:11.189 --> 01:24:12.111
[DEREK]: I love them to TV show.

01:24:12.472 --> 01:24:13.433
[DEREK]: Are we intrigued by this?

01:24:13.794 --> 01:24:13.914
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:24:13.934 --> 01:24:15.137
[DEREK]: They're very interesting.

01:24:15.157 --> 01:24:16.459
[CHRIS]: Buddy hop.

01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:32.473
[CHRIS]: a buddy cop show featuring John Stewart and Hal Jordan set on earth with ramifications in the cosmic universe and very much a supposedly taking true detective style.

01:24:32.453 --> 01:24:51.947
[CHRIS]: elements where you have a, and when I say bloody carpet is going to be a younger, a younger crude being taught and kind of giving his training wheels by a grizzly, dejected older version of how Jordan.

01:24:51.927 --> 01:25:09.514
[CHRIS]: It's the premise on paper, has everything I'm interested, like serial killers, cops, who'll space police, like, with basically really cool rings, and kind of jewelry, kind of, so intrigued.

01:25:09.494 --> 01:25:35.653
[CHRIS]: I think we have seen split seconds by 20 seconds of the actual product a couple of stills that are and outside of people who are understandably baking it up because of who they are and things time will tell but again this is not even a date on this which makes me go

01:25:36.562 --> 01:25:40.158
[CHRIS]: There's still no date, but they're saying it's a big thing and it's coming soon.

01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:45.120
[CHRIS]: I'm like, cool, give me the date so we can put it down.

01:25:45.522 --> 01:25:56.416
[DEREK]: Well, remember there's also weird other things going on, there's other HBO show, there's HBO Netflix stuff going on, so release dates for things are going to be very dodgy until they're coming up.

01:25:56.436 --> 01:25:58.238
[DEREK]: So we know it's coming and we know it's coming out.

01:25:58.258 --> 01:26:05.067
[DEREK]: They've over the half release that tiny snippet of love them in live action for a quick second in their their view towards 2026.

01:26:05.107 --> 01:26:06.889
[DEREK]: So we know it's coming, but we don't know when.

01:26:06.869 --> 01:26:16.379
[DEREK]: I'm sure it will come out, I'm intrigued especially because the last live-action lanterns thing we saw was Nathan Philly in the course in Superman and then before that was Green Lantern.

01:26:16.980 --> 01:26:23.406
[DEREK]: Both not great versions of lanterns, but let's see what it would be like on TV.

01:26:24.027 --> 01:26:29.112
[DEREK]: One that came out of absolute nowhere for me is the live-action spider noir.

01:26:29.132 --> 01:26:36.420
[DEREK]: And with Nicholas Cage, reprising his role from the animated spider verse as spider noir Chris.

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:37.942
[CHRIS]: This is going to be epic.

01:26:38.783 --> 01:26:43.370
[CHRIS]: If they lean in correctly, this can go one of two ways.

01:26:43.670 --> 01:26:44.852
[CHRIS]: This can be Dick Tracy.

01:26:45.833 --> 01:26:49.579
[CHRIS]: This can be like the movie Dick Tracy.

01:26:49.919 --> 01:26:51.562
[CHRIS]: This can be copy AF.

01:26:51.922 --> 01:26:59.052
[CHRIS]: This is could be just like where they go in with this or they lean into water.

01:26:59.072 --> 01:27:04.500
[CHRIS]: The assumed elements of this is almost like

01:27:04.480 --> 01:27:18.442
[CHRIS]: dark, gritty, noir, show, in the name, and that's where you take, if they go down that road, then I think you might end up having something quite interesting.

01:27:18.803 --> 01:27:20.245
[CHRIS]: Nick, let's gauge.

01:27:20.225 --> 01:27:26.053
[CHRIS]: has stopped doing just paycheck gigs, which he actively talked about.

01:27:26.073 --> 01:27:46.080
[CHRIS]: He did a large stint of time where he was just paying off his loans and so he has now back into, I want to call it a Renaissance period for an English age and I think this could be a really fun property.

01:27:46.060 --> 01:27:47.463
[CHRIS]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:47.483 --> 01:27:56.460
[CHRIS]: Or it could be, as I said, Dick Tracy, who framed Roger Rabbit, level of just can't be and like, no, this is a done where, like, done after one episode of Pads.

01:27:56.580 --> 01:27:58.985
[CHRIS]: Neither of mine, anyone at base, Jupiter's legacy.

01:28:00.107 --> 01:28:02.993
[CHRIS]: Show that we have so much, what episode of a wedding?

01:28:03.013 --> 01:28:03.654
[CHRIS]: Nope, orange.

01:28:04.255 --> 01:28:05.217
[CHRIS]: Thank you.

01:28:05.197 --> 01:28:09.122
[JOHN]: including us, including us, so bad, so bad.

01:28:09.243 --> 01:28:15.191
[JOHN]: I have hopes for Spiderman who are, I think you've been in the animation, it is Nicholas Cage.

01:28:15.231 --> 01:28:19.557
[JOHN]: I mean, he was there in long legs, the, yes, the watch this year.

01:28:19.797 --> 01:28:21.419
[DEREK]: I think you have to long, interesting.

01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:23.302
[DEREK]: You never want to see Nicholas Cage on screen again.

01:28:23.743 --> 01:28:25.805
[DEREK]: But let's just terrify it.

01:28:26.026 --> 01:28:26.226
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:28:26.206 --> 01:28:40.172
[JOHN]: There's really good and great little horror thriller and, you know, Spising No art could be, you know, this, the prime version of Wonderman, you know, just how they do it.

01:28:40.192 --> 01:28:40.573
[JOHN]: Yeah, could be.

01:28:40.593 --> 01:28:41.535
[JOHN]: Yeah, could be.

01:28:41.555 --> 01:28:48.147
[JOHN]: And so let's wait for it, give it a go and let's praise all the gods that it's nothing like Jupiter Legacy.

01:28:48.127 --> 01:28:50.009
[DEREK]: Yeah, hope so, hope so.

01:28:50.029 --> 01:29:17.982
[DEREK]: On to another show that we are covering definitely next year after speculation and and re-names going on for about three years, the original title Vision Quest is definitely not confirmed for the show with Vision and all the visions and all the people who've done voice acting for Inside Tony Stark Suit are all returned together for Vision Quest, which is the third part in the trilogy of shows following from one division through Agatha

01:29:17.962 --> 01:29:19.986
[DEREK]: into a into vision.

01:29:20.006 --> 01:29:20.387
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:29:20.888 --> 01:29:23.133
[JOHN]: So it's what gives me hope for it to be honest.

01:29:23.153 --> 01:29:30.508
[JOHN]: It should become that it's in the same vein as one division Agatha and now a vision quest.

01:29:30.668 --> 01:29:33.133
[JOHN]: I still won't keep calling it laser quest.

01:29:34.115 --> 01:29:34.356
[JOHN]: I know.

01:29:34.376 --> 01:29:35.077
[JOHN]: That's a different thing.

01:29:35.117 --> 01:29:35.678
[DEREK]: I know not.

01:29:35.698 --> 01:29:36.360
[DEREK]: That's a different thing.

01:29:36.380 --> 01:29:36.460
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:29:36.440 --> 01:29:37.721
[DEREK]: But that is going up in Disney.

01:29:37.822 --> 01:29:41.486
[CHRIS]: That is going to be such a fun podcast between the three of us.

01:29:41.566 --> 01:29:47.492
[CHRIS]: I think like just based on the two previous properties based on where they're going with it.

01:29:47.572 --> 01:29:59.305
[CHRIS]: I think it has this huge opportunity of being something just and again as being a finale a bow to that trilogy.

01:30:00.126 --> 01:30:00.827
[CHRIS]: Perfect.

01:30:01.077 --> 01:30:07.845
[DEREK]: absolutely absolutely and another one that we're probably going to be covering and Star Wars Moll Shadow Lord.

01:30:08.386 --> 01:30:28.992
[DEREK]: This is by the same studio of course and it is Disney and Star Wars produced all of the animated Star Wars shows but this is from the same studio that gave us Clone Wars rebels and bad batch, bad batch one of the shows that we covered every episode of for Star Wars and I'm really intrigued to see Moll return.

01:30:28.972 --> 01:30:31.475
[JOHN]: Yeah, it's still alive.

01:30:31.816 --> 01:30:33.719
[JOHN]: I guess he's now mecha.

01:30:33.779 --> 01:30:35.080
[JOHN]: Yeah, that's the stage.

01:30:35.221 --> 01:30:36.382
[JOHN]: No, semi mecha.

01:30:37.784 --> 01:30:40.027
[JOHN]: There, you'll have to be full mecha at this stage.

01:30:40.107 --> 01:30:50.081
[DEREK]: I don't know exactly when it takes place in the timeline, whether it's pre-fantamenez, or whether it's post-fantamenez, pre-clone wars, whether it's after being released.

01:30:50.101 --> 01:30:51.503
[JOHN]: Yeah, play on shadow.

01:30:51.483 --> 01:30:53.347
[DEREK]: Yeah, so he could be in the shadows.

01:30:54.230 --> 01:30:55.753
[DEREK]: So yes, indeed.

01:30:56.014 --> 01:31:06.439
[JOHN]: I know I'm looking forward to that anything that sort of comes from that wheelhouse of Clone Wars by Banch rebels.

01:31:06.739 --> 01:31:08.183
[JOHN]: I'm definitely in full.

01:31:08.263 --> 01:31:09.105
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:31:09.366 --> 01:31:09.947
[CHRIS]: Yeah.

01:31:09.927 --> 01:31:23.554
[CHRIS]: Moving forward then to something probably won't cover, but it again after such an amazing kind of finale We do have stranger things Tales from 85 Coming to Netflix the anime.

01:31:23.594 --> 01:31:29.826
[CHRIS]: Yeah, which tells the story and some hidden tales from between seasons

01:31:29.806 --> 01:31:31.552
[JOHN]: tape decks from the 80s.

01:31:31.672 --> 01:31:33.177
[CHRIS]: Yeah, mixed tape, if you will.

01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:35.023
[CHRIS]: Yeah, exactly.

01:31:35.083 --> 01:31:38.896
[CHRIS]: Just some additional stories have happened that between the seasons and kind of expand out some of it.

01:31:38.916 --> 01:31:39.819
[CHRIS]: Which is going to be fun.

01:31:39.839 --> 01:31:41.003
[CHRIS]: I hope so.

01:31:41.243 --> 01:31:41.705
[CHRIS]: I hope so.

01:31:42.247 --> 01:31:42.347
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:31:43.002 --> 01:31:45.985
[DEREK]: Yeah, I think the intriguing part about it is just causes Netflix.

01:31:46.005 --> 01:31:50.489
[DEREK]: They always like to do these animated shows and they come out sometimes in a completely wrong way.

01:31:50.750 --> 01:32:01.340
[DEREK]: Other feeling, this is one that they were going to be putting out in between season four and season five, and they've got at the animations till and they're going, you can put it back next year, people still likes or any of your things, I guess, put it back then.

01:32:02.161 --> 01:32:02.261
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:32:02.281 --> 01:32:11.710
[DEREK]: I guess that's what they're doing, because it seems like such an unusual thing to go backwards after you've finished the story and tell a year in between two seasons centered on Nancy.

01:32:11.690 --> 01:32:23.539
[CHRIS]: The only thing I can think of is that they're going to their, there has been rumors of other spin-offs happening in the future from this universe of stranger things.

01:32:23.992 --> 01:32:36.043
[CHRIS]: The only thing I think of is that maybe there's a thread line there, and that's a post enhancement kind of like, and if you'd like this episode, there's Nancy doing her thing in college, maybe.

01:32:37.244 --> 01:32:39.486
[CHRIS]: Fakeness, a lot.

01:32:39.506 --> 01:32:39.726
[CHRIS]: No, no, no.

01:32:39.746 --> 01:32:41.527
[CHRIS]: The fact is no more.

01:32:41.948 --> 01:32:46.832
[CHRIS]: From something we won't cover to something we'll be covering, and something that is going on.

01:32:46.852 --> 01:32:53.678
[CHRIS]: Just speaking of feathers in the carpet.

01:32:54.670 --> 01:33:05.021
[CHRIS]: Jens, after Jan Vase, he's into this, is has risen to my most anticipated pieces of media for the year.

01:33:05.381 --> 01:33:09.265
[CHRIS]: Like, and again, this is a year with Spider-Man films coming out.

01:33:09.285 --> 01:33:13.170
[CHRIS]: And the boy's season five is still my most anticipated.

01:33:13.190 --> 01:33:21.218
[CHRIS]: No, Spider-Man is directly under it, but this season, like Eric Krippky has done so well.

01:33:21.198 --> 01:33:38.216
[CHRIS]: in how they pulled this together, the Goldstein and Rogan being involved and it's like just what they've done with this universe, what they'd even die of, I'll go a fun site project of an animated which sadly we're not getting anymore of.

01:33:38.676 --> 01:33:44.843
[CHRIS]: Just it is going to be, I think, a thing that, again, the three of us podcast about it and it's going to be

01:33:45.194 --> 01:34:07.793
[CHRIS]: The speculation of each episode of, oh my god, are they going to do a lot of, they don't put this character, oh my god, what this means for the rest of, like, the trailer alone had been going, how are they, what are they doing there, and yeah, it's going to be something I think the rest of our fellow boys and girls are going to enjoy as well.

01:34:07.975 --> 01:34:12.403
[DEREK]: Absolutely, yeah, but then the boys is our biggest show on TV podcast industries.

01:34:12.844 --> 01:34:25.849
[DEREK]: The fact that it's coming to an end, the fact that these characters are going to be put to rest and move on, there will be other shows again within the boys universe, possibly another gen V season, but the main series closing out.

01:34:25.829 --> 01:34:43.483
[DEREK]: Next year and one of the things that we talked about when we talked about the fourth season of the boys was there was a lot of set up there for the final season As I got towards the end of the season, so the great to see that play out next year on that cast is just phenomenal And the writing's fantastic, so really looking forward to it to closing out the boys

01:34:44.105 --> 01:34:45.268
[JOHN]: Hmm, indeed.

01:34:45.308 --> 01:34:49.721
[JOHN]: We'll also have Daredevil balling again second season.

01:34:49.741 --> 01:34:56.038
[JOHN]: Hmm, coming which will be epic Absolutely the return of Jessica Jones my name sink.

01:34:56.058 --> 01:34:59.548
[DEREK]: Yes, I can't wait to see Christian Riddabuck

01:34:59.528 --> 01:35:16.693
[DEREK]: on screen in the second season, much more of a focus now as the show when it's took over on season one created their vision and now they're coming in without those pieces of pre-filmed content, I guess, as the way they'd probably say it, having to fit that into the first season this time, the how their own story just held.

01:35:16.673 --> 01:35:18.297
[DEREK]: and I'm really intrigued.

01:35:18.317 --> 01:35:32.033
[DEREK]: I know we have already confirmed that there is a third season of Daredevil born again, so we'll have more, there's going to be the spin-off in the Punisher having his own show as well, coming out next year, his special, again, the return of Jessica

01:35:32.013 --> 01:35:38.159
[DEREK]: Jones, which is rumored to mean that we will have a Jessica Jones series on my favorite coach this week.

01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:50.932
[DEREK]: Vincent and Afriosa, and that he would love if himself and David Tennant's Kill Grave, would get to meet up at some point in live action, had cool with that be, and bring back Kill Grave for the third time, because he is such a great character.

01:35:51.493 --> 01:35:54.776
[DEREK]: Yeah, so excited to see what they have in store for born again.

01:35:55.277 --> 01:35:58.560
[DEREK]: Yeah, everybody on board there knows they want to make something

01:35:58.540 --> 01:36:00.717
[DEREK]: at something big and something that the fans are going to enjoy.

01:36:00.737 --> 01:36:02.149
[DEREK]: So yeah, very excited about that.

01:36:02.189 --> 01:36:03.741
[CHRIS]: Yeah, and probably no turning around.

01:36:05.155 --> 01:36:08.560
[DEREK]: But we make it in the cage, let's see.

01:36:08.580 --> 01:36:13.546
[DEREK]: Or at least if there is a downy round, he may have gone out to do some martial arts training before it.

01:36:13.566 --> 01:36:15.589
[JOHN]: It would be a different downy round.

01:36:15.729 --> 01:36:16.310
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:36:16.330 --> 01:36:18.633
[DEREK]: But just mentioned, again, there's another hatch of the dragon.

01:36:18.913 --> 01:36:20.295
[DEREK]: Season three is coming out this year.

01:36:20.355 --> 01:36:21.897
[DEREK]: Again, confirmed over the winter period.

01:36:21.998 --> 01:36:25.282
[DEREK]: We don't cover the game of thrones, shows on here, but we do watch them.

01:36:25.382 --> 01:36:30.068
[DEREK]: They have confirmed that this is the penultimate season, so I think season four is the final season of hatch of the dragon.

01:36:30.108 --> 01:36:33.593
[DEREK]: So again, a good thing when you're doing a pre-existing book,

01:36:33.573 --> 01:36:36.336
[DEREK]: to tell your audience, look, we've only got a few seasons of this.

01:36:36.416 --> 01:36:38.098
[DEREK]: It's not going to go on for eternity.

01:36:38.118 --> 01:36:39.219
[DEREK]: We're not going to spend a night forever.

01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:42.142
[DEREK]: So, I'm so two more seasons to go on half the dragon.

01:36:42.282 --> 01:36:43.103
[DEREK]: Yes, exactly.

01:36:43.123 --> 01:36:46.967
[CHRIS]: Then another Netflix property coming out through body problems season two.

01:36:47.988 --> 01:36:52.913
[CHRIS]: That is, if you have not watched season one, that is something you should.

01:36:53.453 --> 01:36:55.215
[CHRIS]: It is interesting.

01:36:55.235 --> 01:36:56.076
[JOHN]: What's it again though?

01:36:56.096 --> 01:37:00.340
[CHRIS]: Yeah, I was going to say there's definitely bits I'm going to have to rewatch just ahead of season two.

01:37:00.775 --> 01:37:04.785
[DEREK]: I think there's some episodes of that that I watched and then went, I don't watch the whole episode again.

01:37:04.845 --> 01:37:06.469
[DEREK]: Yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree.

01:37:06.609 --> 01:37:11.421
[JOHN]: I'm trying to think when season 1 came out, but it's at least what a good 18 months of, yeah, 24.

01:37:11.902 --> 01:37:15.932
[JOHN]: So I'm like, okay, I need to watch this again, I mean.

01:37:15.912 --> 01:37:21.503
[JOHN]: Quicker people, think curry, emadale, but they don't have to cut it down around.

01:37:22.565 --> 01:37:23.667
[DEREK]: They don't have the budget's done.

01:37:24.048 --> 01:37:29.518
[DEREK]: You know, if you're going to make this type of high level sci-fi and fantasy shows, you have to give them two years.

01:37:29.919 --> 01:37:34.047
[DEREK]: It's just sad that it's only six or seven episodes as well as being a two-year weight is not two years.

01:37:34.067 --> 01:37:34.748
[DEREK]: And then we get...

01:37:34.728 --> 01:37:36.611
[DEREK]: 22 episodes of the show.

01:37:37.132 --> 01:37:41.979
[DEREK]: The other Star Trek show that's coming back next year is that strange new worlds, the fourth of five seasons.

01:37:42.820 --> 01:37:46.326
[DEREK]: Stranger Worlds has been such a great Star Trek show.

01:37:46.446 --> 01:37:52.635
[DEREK]: I've absolutely loved the character that brought to screen and Stranger Worlds has been so much full and spend a time with Pike and stuff.

01:37:52.615 --> 01:37:54.097
[DEREK]: on the bridge and all the rest of the cast.

01:37:54.117 --> 01:38:05.496
[JOHN]: Okay, Dr. McCoy, both, I played by someone who we all know, and certainly from a Marvel property crucially in terms of Thomas James.

01:38:05.556 --> 01:38:07.179
[JOHN]: Yes, he was the publisher.

01:38:07.579 --> 01:38:08.801
[DEREK]: He was with the expenses.

01:38:09.963 --> 01:38:12.868
[DEREK]: And Thomas James is returning to space.

01:38:12.848 --> 01:38:13.910
[DEREK]: It's so cool.

01:38:13.930 --> 01:38:14.932
[DEREK]: That's such a cool idea.

01:38:15.313 --> 01:38:20.242
[DEREK]: I'm Karler, I've been playing them in live action before as well, so, you know, so this is a probably we should be covering.

01:38:20.262 --> 01:38:25.492
[DEREK]: We should be covering Star Trek changing worlds, but we will sit back and just enjoy every single episode of once again.

01:38:25.873 --> 01:38:28.478
[DEREK]: And the other shows that we are definitely covering, we've got four more to go.

01:38:28.518 --> 01:38:32.927
[DEREK]: The Witcher, the final season season five, expected to come Asia in 2022.

01:38:32.947 --> 01:38:34.249
[DEREK]: So hopefully we're going to be covering that.

01:38:34.229 --> 01:38:49.943
[DEREK]: the whole plan was they filmed them back to back so that they could deliver the story then the story within that two-year period so we don't have a massive weight like we did between Susan 3 and 4 and maybe we'll remember some of the character names this time, John.

01:38:49.923 --> 01:39:02.544
[DEREK]: When we sat down to exactly, but when we sat down to record the podcast, we literally had to list out every name of every character with a kind of description of them because we just had no idea who any of the characters were.

01:39:03.245 --> 01:39:06.009
[JOHN]: But the exception of Henry Cavill isn't anyone.

01:39:06.270 --> 01:39:10.036
[CHRIS]: Yes, I mean Liam Hensworth.

01:39:10.516 --> 01:39:11.598
[CHRIS]: No, I mean his brother.

01:39:12.339 --> 01:39:13.922
[JOHN]: Hensworth Jr.

01:39:13.902 --> 01:39:18.488
[DEREK]: No, you're right, but Lee and John was Lee and him's with yes, we got a handsworth.

01:39:18.528 --> 01:39:23.735
[DEREK]: We got a handsworth and a soka star wars a soka Finally next year.

01:39:23.755 --> 01:39:25.718
[DEREK]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this we guess.

01:39:25.738 --> 01:39:42.340
[CHRIS]: Yeah, that's we got Mandalorian grogu this and film moving into a soka Closing out next year with Dave Philoni's epic kind of conclusion of the story that Movie movie movie isn't it I don't know I've heard that that's changed

01:39:42.320 --> 01:39:48.812
[DEREK]: Okay, and that there are definitely, of course you've got Mandalorian Groguer, that's going to get at the Cinnamon X Summer.

01:39:49.434 --> 01:39:53.141
[DEREK]: We've got the Soka Season 2, all the filming's done as far as I know for that.

01:39:53.762 --> 01:39:57.048
[DEREK]: Just final touches on that and due to be out in 2020, six.

01:39:57.529 --> 01:39:59.653
[DEREK]: Anything after that is

01:39:59.633 --> 01:40:00.615
[JOHN]: No, we've lost it.

01:40:00.635 --> 01:40:02.238
[JOHN]: Yeah, it's okay.

01:40:02.258 --> 01:40:02.979
[JOHN]: Well, fair enough.

01:40:02.999 --> 01:40:03.199
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:40:03.219 --> 01:40:16.283
[DEREK]: So, Philoni is taking his time and building out his world, and the plan was that eventually it would end with the movie where everything's brought together, but there's other tales that he wants to tell, and I'm not sure how those are coming together.

01:40:16.303 --> 01:40:17.004
[DEREK]: So, that's it.

01:40:17.365 --> 01:40:17.625
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:40:17.943 --> 01:40:18.885
[JOHN]: Yeah, that is odd.

01:40:19.125 --> 01:40:23.552
[JOHN]: I thought it was some real momentum building around Dave Feloni, and rightly so.

01:40:23.752 --> 01:40:32.907
[JOHN]: So, because otherwise, yeah, it becomes development hell, and it becomes like four years later, and you're like, well, okay, what's happened here?

01:40:32.947 --> 01:40:36.593
[JOHN]: We've got a, we've got a, like,

01:40:36.573 --> 01:40:38.236
[JOHN]: get all gray matter going again.

01:40:38.336 --> 01:40:43.747
[JOHN]: I mean, that is part of the increasing issue of the distance between properties and seasons.

01:40:44.509 --> 01:40:55.290
[DEREK]: And well, I'd say I'd say realistically what they're looking for is a hiss with Maslowian grow group and then they don't want to nail their flag to the mast until they know how many people are going to go into the cinema to watch.

01:40:55.270 --> 01:41:10.765
[DEREK]: a big screen version of a show that they can watch on TV and Disney Plus that has been Disney Plus's problem so far people are just going well I could just see it in the month of time on the television or 17 days time which is apparently the new one so and so yeah why would I go out to the cinema watch it?

01:41:10.745 --> 01:41:12.487
[JOHN]: Well, that's the choice they've made, isn't it?

01:41:12.507 --> 01:41:13.088
[DEREK]: It is, it is.

01:41:13.649 --> 01:41:19.796
[DEREK]: So, they may not have a massive movie to close out the day for Lonnie World.

01:41:19.916 --> 01:41:21.638
[JOHN]: It is a shame, it is a shame.

01:41:21.899 --> 01:41:25.022
[JOHN]: It may just be what I am talking about for always to do a soaker.

01:41:25.042 --> 01:41:28.547
[JOHN]: Meet a nonetheless, I think, Grand Admiral Thrawn live action.

01:41:28.747 --> 01:41:31.731
[JOHN]: I'm there here, anywhere for it.

01:41:31.971 --> 01:41:32.411
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

01:41:32.431 --> 01:41:32.972
[JOHN]: In fact,

01:41:32.952 --> 01:41:40.744
[JOHN]: So, okay, isn't the prime reason why I would actually be sort of watching the show, and it is for Gandhah, for all sorts of things, but they're both cool.

01:41:41.565 --> 01:41:47.674
[JOHN]: For one just slightly more, because I read the books as a kid, so it's always been with me, actually.

01:41:47.694 --> 01:41:52.041
[JOHN]: We're also with a ring of power, or the rings of power, I should say.

01:41:52.021 --> 01:41:55.886
[JOHN]: and that would be on its third season.

01:41:56.206 --> 01:42:01.994
[JOHN]: So be interested in seeing how that works or whether they'll do a wheel of time on it.

01:42:02.314 --> 01:42:03.335
[DEREK]: Well, big changes.

01:42:03.475 --> 01:42:07.020
[DEREK]: Yeah, big changes moving from New Zealand to a production to the UK.

01:42:07.040 --> 01:42:15.771
[DEREK]: So that's one of the big changes and other one is a bit of time jump apparently a couple of years, time jump into more of the early war of the rings.

01:42:15.791 --> 01:42:19.716
[JOHN]: Yeah, the interesting, how they incorporate redding into you.

01:42:19.696 --> 01:42:25.463
[DEREK]: They're in the middle of Manchester and wearing all their gear from the greens of hair.

01:42:25.803 --> 01:42:29.307
[DEREK]: I believe most of the outside shots will still be from New Zealand.

01:42:29.327 --> 01:42:31.130
[DEREK]: They've done a lot of shooting over there except.

01:42:31.210 --> 01:42:32.792
[JOHN]: This is the Lord of Solihol.

01:42:34.093 --> 01:42:34.774
[CHRIS]: Cool blinding.

01:42:35.355 --> 01:42:35.735
[DEREK]: Excellent.

01:42:36.196 --> 01:42:37.457
[CHRIS]: Cool blinding going back.

01:42:37.557 --> 01:42:38.238
[CHRIS]: Yes, there's it.

01:42:39.820 --> 01:42:41.502
[CHRIS]: There's Sauron.

01:42:41.482 --> 01:42:44.527
[CHRIS]: Oh, I put all that in it.

01:42:44.547 --> 01:42:47.732
[DEREK]: In fairness, 90% of the cash is great.

01:42:47.873 --> 01:42:51.418
[DEREK]: So they are just moving closer to their homes and not being stuck in New Zealand.

01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:52.641
[CHRIS]: Although, it's a lie.

01:42:53.943 --> 01:42:57.108
[CHRIS]: I've not got a holiday anymore.

01:42:57.128 --> 01:42:58.290
[CHRIS]: I'm stuck next to my own.

01:42:58.891 --> 01:42:59.592
[CHRIS]: It's likely.

01:42:59.572 --> 01:43:23.132
[CHRIS]: And then closing out the topic of the last show we will be covering right now for next for this year is invincible the the next season season 4 that Derek and I will bring you all of that as a drops hopefully they will not be doing or they have told us so far that they will not be splitting it in half and doing anything crazy again and they will not be a crazy weight.

01:43:23.112 --> 01:43:24.434
[CHRIS]: But let's wait and see.

01:43:24.534 --> 01:43:26.416
[CHRIS]: And when it delivers, it will.

01:43:26.436 --> 01:43:33.865
[DEREK]: Yeah, I love how they've been doing events with a big confirming two seasons at a time to allow the animation house to deliver one show a year.

01:43:33.925 --> 01:43:36.287
[DEREK]: So that is our guaranteed show every year, which is great.

01:43:36.828 --> 01:43:44.097
[DEREK]: Get eight episodes of invincible after that, to both go where they put it forward, and then another four, a couple of months apart, which was a bit of a weird way to do it.

01:43:44.137 --> 01:43:52.967
[DEREK]: And they know that themselves, so they've said they're going to hold onto them, put eight episodes in a row, so they know that's what people want to see.

01:43:52.947 --> 01:44:03.648
[DEREK]: So yes, it's got exactly that's going on and on to movies for the year a band new year a brand new set of MCU movies But only two of them this year last year we had three this year.

01:44:03.668 --> 01:44:10.602
[DEREK]: We have Spider-Man brand new day being directed by Descent Daniel Cretan gave us a shongchi and the legend the 10 rings and

01:44:10.582 --> 01:44:13.447
[DEREK]: He's also giving us wonderman this month as well, which is kind of cool.

01:44:13.487 --> 01:44:15.891
[DEREK]: So he's got massive projects going on.

01:44:16.232 --> 01:44:22.884
[DEREK]: And the only confirmed character that we could talk about really is that Sadie Sink from Stranger Things is joining Spider-Man brand new days.

01:44:22.904 --> 01:44:25.048
[DEREK]: Lots of speculation as to who Sadie Sink is playing.

01:44:25.328 --> 01:44:27.392
[DEREK]: And everybody's kind of going well with the red hair.

01:44:27.372 --> 01:44:29.354
[DEREK]: is she another MJ?

01:44:30.435 --> 01:44:31.716
[DEREK]: Is she Gwen Stacy?

01:44:31.756 --> 01:44:33.698
[DEREK]: Is she another character we don't know?

01:44:33.718 --> 01:44:39.785
[DEREK]: So yes, she says the worst thing of actually getting the role in the movie is that she can't tell anybody who she's playing.

01:44:40.265 --> 01:44:47.813
[DEREK]: So every time she's being interviewed about strange things, somebody asked her because I'm gonna slip up one day, I'm just gonna say the character's name by mistake, but she hasn't yet.

01:44:47.953 --> 01:44:57.042
[CHRIS]: So she hasn't.

01:44:57.022 --> 01:45:07.513
[CHRIS]: Rumors of who she is, there are some more substantiated ones as well, but time will tough, time will tough.

01:45:07.553 --> 01:45:20.306
[DEREK]: Yeah, I can't tell anymore what's a substantiated rumor because people throwing these movie synopsis into AI to say, what would a rumor it would not land very well at tens to come out with something.

01:45:20.887 --> 01:45:22.088
[DEREK]: So I have no idea.

01:45:22.148 --> 01:45:23.890
[CHRIS]: She is returning in doomsday.

01:45:23.870 --> 01:45:26.454
[CHRIS]: she is returning in secret war as well.

01:45:26.594 --> 01:45:29.778
[CHRIS]: So she is a major character.

01:45:29.938 --> 01:45:30.760
[CHRIS]: Well, we'll cook.

01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:32.001
[CHRIS]: We can make that assumption.

01:45:32.682 --> 01:45:35.506
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, but it's so excited for that doesn't done.

01:45:35.526 --> 01:45:40.433
[DEREK]: What a year that's going to be starting off the year with one demand and then landing in Spider-Man brand.

01:45:40.553 --> 01:45:42.055
[JOHN]: Really looking forward to it as I say.

01:45:42.095 --> 01:45:45.119
[JOHN]: I mean, shrunk she is just the one that keeps on growing for me.

01:45:45.139 --> 01:45:45.240
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.623
[JOHN]: And I think it's really nicely done.

01:45:48.144 --> 01:45:48.825
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

01:45:48.845 --> 01:45:49.185
[JOHN]: So yeah.

01:45:49.165 --> 01:45:50.026
[JOHN]: Really cool.

01:45:50.106 --> 01:45:50.447
[DEREK]: Really cool.

01:45:50.567 --> 01:45:53.271
[JOHN]: To dressing properties to comes.

01:45:53.291 --> 01:45:53.391
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:45:53.632 --> 01:45:54.373
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:45:54.393 --> 01:46:03.507
[DEREK]: And then of course we mentioned earlier on right at the start of the episode Avengers Doomsday coming this year, the first of the big two part Avengers movie confirmed.

01:46:03.607 --> 01:46:06.471
[DEREK]: We have Tony Stark will return and Avengers doomsday.

01:46:07.092 --> 01:46:08.254
[DEREK]: We have

01:46:08.234 --> 01:46:18.727
[DEREK]: Steve Rogers, returning in Avengers doomsday and we have Thor returning in Avengers doomsday and we have the X-Men exploding in Avengers doomsday if you saw the 30s Second trailer that was released this week.

01:46:18.907 --> 01:46:19.668
[DEREK]: I love that.

01:46:19.688 --> 01:46:30.662
[JOHN]: I'm looking forward to June to stay for sure And I think of all these little snippets so far For me, it has been the X-Men one with you know, so Ian McKellon and Patrick Stewart.

01:46:31.343 --> 01:46:33.245
[JOHN]: I just can't tire off those two.

01:46:33.265 --> 01:46:35.608
[JOHN]: They just didn't bother

01:46:36.989 --> 01:46:39.695
[JOHN]: Xavier and McNeese for me.

01:46:39.875 --> 01:46:45.948
[DEREK]: Live as such a web-weird career as those relatives, like they're going back to the 90s, they played them in the first X-Men movie.

01:46:45.968 --> 01:46:55.588
[DEREK]: You are sorry that the early 2000s wasn't a play of them in the X-Men, and that even when the roles are recast, or that the people can't come in back and post credits, means of the characters, they've voiced them a couple of times.

01:46:55.568 --> 01:47:01.074
[DEREK]: And now here they are in Avengers Dune State in the MCU back as the characters would last time to explode.

01:47:01.134 --> 01:47:08.001
[DEREK]: I'm glad he's actually pretty much got crushed on the trailer, they get crushed that they explode.

01:47:08.221 --> 01:47:17.070
[DEREK]: I mentioned earlier on, I have the theory that everything we're learning now, all the trailers that we're learning now, the teas that we're learning now is just giving a moment to characters that aren't going to appear in the movie.

01:47:17.090 --> 01:47:19.753
[DEREK]: I mean wondering why people are speculating, you know, a base.

01:47:19.733 --> 01:47:23.758
[DEREK]: Won't it be great to see Tony Stark on screen again with with Steve Rogers?

01:47:23.778 --> 01:47:24.459
[DEREK]: It's not going to happen.

01:47:24.519 --> 01:47:25.120
[DEREK]: That's it.

01:47:25.140 --> 01:47:26.081
[DEREK]: It's not going to happen.

01:47:26.382 --> 01:47:29.806
[DEREK]: These are all cameos to begin the movie as far as I can tell.

01:47:30.247 --> 01:47:32.830
[DEREK]: And we will get a story trailer later on in the year.

01:47:33.131 --> 01:47:39.239
[DEREK]: But they probably want to keep a lot of Ash on deraps and they want to give you the things to get you into the into the movie theater.

01:47:39.559 --> 01:47:42.023
[DEREK]: But I can't imagine we're going to see Chris Evans back for two movies.

01:47:42.684 --> 01:47:43.965
[CHRIS]: No, one of them like it.

01:47:44.045 --> 01:47:44.967
[CHRIS]: It's two things.

01:47:45.007 --> 01:47:47.530
[CHRIS]: They are going to have said in the

01:47:47.510 --> 01:47:57.638
[CHRIS]: Steve Rogers will return in the Avengers dooms like it is I don't think it's the intro I think it will be like infinity war which

01:47:58.073 --> 01:48:02.899
[CHRIS]: they are going to have a big moment with these old characters sacrifice themselves towards the end.

01:48:02.959 --> 01:48:05.522
[CHRIS]: What are the sacrifices but these characters have died throughout the film?

01:48:06.363 --> 01:48:15.214
[CHRIS]: And by the end the setup for Seeker War and the end of Seeker War is the next chapter where you have the new X-Men.

01:48:15.454 --> 01:48:21.301
[CHRIS]: You have all these new characters, the new potentially Steve Rogers, the new Tony Stark.

01:48:21.321 --> 01:48:24.385
[CHRIS]: If they want to do that, you're going to have all these new people.

01:48:24.365 --> 01:48:36.313
[CHRIS]: But I think they'll probably be, they'll give Chris Evans that one piece where he raises his shield and a version of his shield They'll do all those bits, but I don't think it'll be the first time in it.

01:48:37.095 --> 01:48:40.703
[CHRIS]: I think it's the first first two-thirds

01:48:41.020 --> 01:48:51.359
[DEREK]: We're going to have to agree to this, because I'm expecting him to kiss his babies head could buy as a, I don't know the dates, but I think it's a thing to be in the opening of the opening sequence.

01:48:51.379 --> 01:48:53.022
[DEREK]: That's my, my speculation.

01:48:53.042 --> 01:48:56.548
[DEREK]: But baby, we'll get into space.

01:48:56.528 --> 01:49:22.030
[DEREK]: Maybe the fantastic four are going around the multiverse picking up the children of all the superheroes and the worlds that are being crushed Maybe that's what the plot could be more like refugees that's exactly We'll see let's see in December and but weirdly the other announcements of a massive movie franchise having its third part came last week a Doom 3 which is another billion dollar movie franchise is releasing on the same day as Avengers

01:49:22.010 --> 01:49:28.687
[DEREK]: That's so odd, but to make that an instrument after the promotional campaign began for Avengers Chris.

01:49:28.707 --> 01:49:29.990
[DEREK]: That's the weird part to me.

01:49:31.373 --> 01:49:35.383
[DEREK]: You know, it's not like the reveal of doesn't know Avengers is right there.

01:49:35.464 --> 01:49:39.293
[DEREK]: Most of his cast were in Marvel movies and are going to be in Avengers.

01:49:39.273 --> 01:49:40.975
[DEREK]: Um, the studio knows it's coming.

01:49:41.416 --> 01:49:42.377
[DEREK]: It just seems crazy.

01:49:42.457 --> 01:49:50.529
[DEREK]: Especially because his movies are also a bit three hours long So if you were to do the barb and time or thing going to see Both do and three and Avengers doomsday and the same day.

01:49:50.549 --> 01:49:56.057
[DEREK]: You're spending seven hours watching watching those movies And a hundred hundred I about a hundred euros.

01:49:56.097 --> 01:49:57.779
[CHRIS]: Yes All right.

01:49:57.799 --> 01:50:03.847
[CHRIS]: I think it is the studios playing chicken And literally who will blink who will move?

01:50:03.908 --> 01:50:04.268
[CHRIS]: Yeah

01:50:04.248 --> 01:50:29.125
[CHRIS]: Um, it will be, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude, like, dude

01:50:29.105 --> 01:50:37.957
[CHRIS]: Dune part three, Dune Messiah, like I don't say I see Dune having to move.

01:50:38.898 --> 01:50:49.713
[DEREK]: I would expect they would, and that's why I'm so surprised that they came out with the announcement in such close proximity to the, to the, to the Dune's day, stars of the promotion, because they knew it was coming, poor.

01:50:49.833 --> 01:50:53.298
[JOHN]: It's it after Dune's day, or exactly the same Friday.

01:50:53.538 --> 01:50:57.323
[DEREK]: Yeah, no, that is a bit weird.

01:50:57.303 --> 01:51:00.806
[DEREK]: like they're saying, they're believing the hype that Marvel's don't.

01:51:01.127 --> 01:51:01.287
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:51:01.307 --> 01:51:05.070
[DEREK]: And they're going to take up the cinema seats that Marvel are and going to sell for Doomsday.

01:51:05.090 --> 01:51:08.934
[DEREK]: I think it's almost like the studio going, that we've seen your movies this year.

01:51:09.194 --> 01:51:10.255
[DEREK]: They made $500 million.

01:51:10.936 --> 01:51:13.979
[DEREK]: We made a billion with the last tune and the tune before that.

01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:15.360
[DEREK]: We're going to take the IMAX screens.

01:51:15.400 --> 01:51:17.162
[DEREK]: It's almost like this massive challenge.

01:51:17.542 --> 01:51:18.583
[DEREK]: I don't believe that's the case.

01:51:18.864 --> 01:51:25.470
[DEREK]: I think it was someone that wrote out the

01:51:25.450 --> 01:51:35.288
[JOHN]: there'll be some movement, I mean, look, and whether they decide to do a Bob and Hymer and sort of do a dooms June or whatever, I don't know, but we'll see.

01:51:35.669 --> 01:51:37.192
[JOHN]: I've had you as June's day, John, as well.

01:51:38.214 --> 01:51:40.658
[JOHN]: It's a whole year.

01:51:40.638 --> 01:51:42.222
[JOHN]: I hadn't seen that.

01:51:42.282 --> 01:51:44.788
[JOHN]: I think Doom June sounds better.

01:51:44.808 --> 01:51:45.450
[DEREK]: It's a June's day.

01:51:46.412 --> 01:51:46.953
[DEREK]: It's a June.

01:51:47.875 --> 01:51:50.823
[DEREK]: One of the big movie that's coming out next year, to close the site.

01:51:51.464 --> 01:51:53.188
[DEREK]: Christopher Nolan returns to the cinema.

01:51:53.208 --> 01:51:56.436
[DEREK]: You can't take Christopher Nolan.

01:51:56.652 --> 01:52:06.206
[DEREK]: tickets were on sale for this movie a year ago, like a concert, the Odyssey is coming out in the cinema in June of this year, I think it is.

01:52:07.167 --> 01:52:14.137
[DEREK]: They've already had a preview in IMAX a couple of weeks ago, but 10 minutes like Chris Ronaldo has always done at the style.

01:52:14.638 --> 01:52:19.625
[DEREK]: Yeah, and it looks epic, as you would expect, from an epic tale.

01:52:20.046 --> 01:52:25.073
[DEREK]: Can Chris Ronaldo

01:52:26.133 --> 01:52:26.554
[JOHN]: Who knows?

01:52:26.834 --> 01:52:27.855
[JOHN]: I mean, let's face it.

01:52:27.955 --> 01:52:33.882
[JOHN]: Who thought Oppenheimer would want a summer blockbuster?

01:52:34.283 --> 01:52:38.028
[JOHN]: I think, you know, there is this kind of notion.

01:52:38.148 --> 01:52:39.910
[JOHN]: It's like with sinners this year.

01:52:40.050 --> 01:52:43.434
[JOHN]: The notion of putting them in prime formats.

01:52:44.035 --> 01:52:44.155
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:52:44.175 --> 01:52:47.819
[JOHN]: Okay, not everyone is necessarily a Christopher Nolan fan, whatever.

01:52:47.940 --> 01:52:50.723
[JOHN]: But I think like,

01:52:50.703 --> 01:53:07.834
[JOHN]: he gets the eyes because he does something very different in a sense for modern cinema in that he holds a shot and allows the shot and the people in it to do the interest not.

01:53:07.814 --> 01:53:09.356
[JOHN]: kinetic camera work.

01:53:09.376 --> 01:53:10.637
[JOHN]: In the same way as Vilmer.

01:53:10.657 --> 01:53:11.438
[JOHN]: I mean, this is the point.

01:53:11.739 --> 01:53:28.258
[JOHN]: Actually, the Odyssey June 3, they'll have very similar approaches or philosophies coming from, not necessarily the same, not the same style, slightly different, but they both promote iMacs in camera action.

01:53:28.398 --> 01:53:30.441
[JOHN]: They're not necessarily going to shy away.

01:53:30.841 --> 01:53:34.986
[JOHN]: You can't with something like a science fiction epic.

01:53:34.966 --> 01:53:35.908
[JOHN]: in terms of June.

01:53:36.750 --> 01:53:44.366
[JOHN]: But, you know, they look at this, I think, you know, Ryan Kugler is equally the same.

01:53:44.406 --> 01:53:46.049
[JOHN]: He's done a lot with Christopher Nolan.

01:53:46.250 --> 01:53:51.220
[JOHN]: Nolan actually has done a lot to, you know, like he said, the six minutes.

01:53:51.200 --> 01:53:53.925
[JOHN]: Preview was after was before sinners.

01:53:54.425 --> 01:54:00.616
[JOHN]: Again, it's I'm actually showing and there's a lot of these different formats.

01:54:00.656 --> 01:54:07.388
[JOHN]: I think even like cine film or something like that is really off kill to kind of format.

01:54:07.768 --> 01:54:10.052
[JOHN]: I think it was used by

01:54:10.623 --> 01:54:24.269
[JOHN]: I think Aaronovsky or someone recently, I've got that totally wrong, but I know, and again, another director using a really off-kilter format, so I think just on that, it's something different.

01:54:24.289 --> 01:54:26.674
[JOHN]: Yep, and that's the difference, I think.

01:54:26.654 --> 01:54:27.295
[DEREK]: It's good.

01:54:27.395 --> 01:54:28.177
[DEREK]: It'd be interesting.

01:54:28.197 --> 01:54:30.400
[DEREK]: It's just always exciting to have like Christopher Nolan.

01:54:30.500 --> 01:54:40.517
[DEREK]: I agree because you have no idea and you have no idea why you people go and see them and then you see the movies and you go these are great movies but I don't know how people have decided to go and see this epic movie.

01:54:40.537 --> 01:54:41.418
[DEREK]: You know they could have stayed at home.

01:54:41.478 --> 01:54:47.468
[DEREK]: Watch press jacks on TV or they could go ahead and watch the other scene and can pay 40 dollars to watch Christopher Nolan's Odyssey.

01:54:47.789 --> 01:54:50.333
[DEREK]: Like when he started there as a filmmaker,

01:54:50.313 --> 01:55:05.371
[DEREK]: you were watching and because he was an indie filmmaker with an interesting eye and now he's making, he's made comic book movies, he's made sci-fi, he's making the other scene there, so he just has an interesting point to view the people want to check out in the cinema and never can't imagine he looks like he's on for a billion dollar movie.

01:55:05.391 --> 01:55:06.131
[DEREK]: Like you're getting this here.

01:55:06.191 --> 01:55:19.527
[JOHN]: Yeah, I mean you know like just because he loves the genre as well, so he'll put place the genre in a way it's setting like he did with the dark.

01:55:19.507 --> 01:55:27.556
[JOHN]: I say, you don't just know the boss, like to what extent the Harry House and films, they're the kind of things that immediately spring to mind to me.

01:55:27.676 --> 01:55:30.779
[JOHN]: It's like the skeleton stop motion.

01:55:31.099 --> 01:55:31.940
[JOHN]: I mean brutal.

01:55:32.521 --> 01:55:32.781
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:55:32.801 --> 01:55:34.643
[JOHN]: But I can't watch that.

01:55:34.783 --> 01:55:34.964
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:55:35.224 --> 01:55:37.346
[JOHN]: I can't make exactly absolutely iconic.

01:55:37.366 --> 01:55:44.494
[CHRIS]: And we haven't seen any of that in the trailer into the previous, like the final thing is going to suddenly, yeah, exactly.

01:55:44.574 --> 01:55:46.596
[JOHN]: It's not like he's suddenly going to be doing stop motion.

01:55:46.716 --> 01:55:48.518
[JOHN]: But you know there's going to be

01:55:48.498 --> 01:55:56.086
[DEREK]: No, maybe maybe I just I just wanted to because these types of epics have taken down quite major directors in the past.

01:55:56.106 --> 01:56:02.693
[DEREK]: And we've been talking about having with pretty much destroyed a career when he did seven different versions of that movie to go.

01:56:02.753 --> 01:56:04.895
[DEREK]: It is good, there's a movie in here that somebody will like.

01:56:04.915 --> 01:56:07.358
[DEREK]: And eventually he did get a great movie of it.

01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:17.188
[DEREK]: But yeah, we have we have lost directors along the way when they try to do these

01:56:17.168 --> 01:56:18.330
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

01:56:18.790 --> 01:56:19.732
[DEREK]: Absolutely, that is this.

01:56:19.912 --> 01:56:23.196
[DEREK]: I think for everything we could possibly be talking about in 2022.

01:56:23.717 --> 01:56:28.464
[DEREK]: Make sure you subscribe to the podcast and TV podcast industries.com to find out what we are covering.

01:56:28.704 --> 01:56:37.877
[DEREK]: We will be starting with a one-to-man this year of course covering all of the MCU shows and movies coming out this year and lots of other stuff I'm sure as well.

01:56:37.857 --> 01:56:40.504
[DEREK]: We do have some feedback on some of the upcoming shows for 2022.

01:56:40.765 --> 01:56:49.871
[DEREK]: Over on Facebook, Corey Gannon says I've never missed a spot in my movie in theaters, even though my local theater closed in 2024, I'm damn sure I'm gonna see Brad and you day, even if it's an hour drive away for me.

01:56:50.472 --> 01:56:52.638
[CHRIS]: That's what I can get by in this.

01:56:52.658 --> 01:56:52.879
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:56:52.859 --> 01:56:53.921
[DEREK]: so that you do that, Chris Renett.

01:56:53.941 --> 01:56:55.344
[JOHN]: Good stuff, Corey.

01:56:55.424 --> 01:57:00.874
[JOHN]: Mathematician says, I was introduced to you guys when I've been to all the Defender series almost a year ago.

01:57:00.894 --> 01:57:03.840
[JOHN]: To Daredevil, there's up there for me in 226.

01:57:04.160 --> 01:57:04.962
[JOHN]: The boy's is great.

01:57:05.062 --> 01:57:07.186
[JOHN]: Carl Urban is always a joy to watch.

01:57:07.547 --> 01:57:10.412
[JOHN]: The return of Scourge, please, Mr. Feige.

01:57:10.392 --> 01:57:16.477
[JOHN]: And then it's Spider-Man teaming up with Frank Castle fingers crossed, leading us into Doomstay.

01:57:16.878 --> 01:57:24.805
[JOHN]: They gave us five Avengers big team ups, including Civil War in seven years, and then they subject us to a seven and a half year wait for the next one.

01:57:25.085 --> 01:57:28.829
[JOHN]: That has been one of the biggest years weird phases for them five in my opinion.

01:57:29.269 --> 01:57:40.399
[JOHN]: They conditioned us to a couple of years of solo setups followed by an Avengers movie to end the phase.

01:57:40.379 --> 01:57:50.274
[JOHN]: That left the staunch fans still laughing it up, but the casual fans need those teamups to keep their interest hence a poultry 200 million worldwide for the marbles.

01:57:50.755 --> 01:58:00.109
[JOHN]: But of course, for us avid MCU fans it's all about December, and even looking straight through my summer holiday this year in anticipation of Doomsday.

01:58:00.089 --> 01:58:12.827
[JOHN]: If it isn't epic, then I'm putting the blame squarely on the door of Christopher Marcus, for not returning with his mate to McFeely and the Rousseau's, as a force that they are responsible for my favourite full movies of all time.

01:58:13.188 --> 01:58:15.651
[JOHN]: Think as cross for a belt in our house, though.

01:58:16.112 --> 01:58:17.794
[JOHN]: Do you say all the way?

01:58:17.774 --> 01:58:18.835
[JOHN]: Excellent stuff.

01:58:18.915 --> 01:58:19.856
[JOHN]: Mathematician.

01:58:19.876 --> 01:58:21.417
[JOHN]: Yeah, really looking forward to June today.

01:58:21.477 --> 01:58:28.744
[JOHN]: I think it's just also just a set up for the secret war and all that It's just this has really set my juices flowing.

01:58:29.204 --> 01:58:29.905
[DEREK]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:58:30.145 --> 01:58:47.781
[DEREK]: Like it is interesting when you think back on for it phases four and five I know there was no Avengers movie, but we did have things like Eternals, Thunderbolts Yeah, the marvels, you know, we did have team up movies from different different quadrants, so different parts of the MCU

01:58:47.761 --> 01:58:49.303
[DEREK]: Thanks so much about the position.

01:58:50.544 --> 01:58:51.525
[CHRIS]: Yep, thanks about the position.

01:58:51.685 --> 01:59:00.413
[CHRIS]: We also feedback from Sarah Shaw, who says I'm excited about Daredevil and Asuka, and Panthenian Lockler said happy new year.

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[CHRIS]: I haven't been able to watch much lately, but I am looking forward to Daredevil born again season 2.

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[CHRIS]: And I just thought about this.

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[CHRIS]: Do you think they're gonna call it like Daredevil born again again?

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[DEREK]: Daredevil reborn again.

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[DEREK]: Have a that one.

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[DEREK]: Finally, Russell Hooper says please cover a so-called a so-care mall and dare to have all we will definitely be covering two of those We know we're covering a so-care.

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[DEREK]: We know we're covering dare level.

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[DEREK]: We hope to cover mall.

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[DEREK]: I bet that Once we know that once we know the the date as you can see lots of stuff coming up 20 seconds So we will be making decisions as we go and then you want to say to our wonderful fellow listeners guys before we close at the episode

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[CHRIS]: It's going to be a good year, it's going to be a lot of content, so make sure you don't miss a beat.

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[DEREK]: Thanks so much for joining us.

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[DEREK]: We'll talk to you again for one demo.

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[CHRIS]: Yes, look forward to chatting all things, men, all things wonderful, and all things 2026.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff fellow listeners and defenders and boys and girls, industrialists.

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[JOHN]: You name it, I can't wait to get cracking into 2026 with you all until we get our teeth into them to land.

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[JOHN]: Keep watching, keep listening, and of course, keep defending.