The Rings of Power Season 2 Episodes 3 and 4 Podcast

[00:00:00] This is the Lord of the Rings podcast on TV Podcast industries and we're talking about the Rings of power season 2, Episode 3, The Eagle and the Scepter and Episode 4 Eldest.

[00:00:30] For all later, Gil Gallad will discover the truth.

[00:00:34] Supposing he doesn't.

[00:00:39] What are you doing?

[00:00:43] I am congratulating the High King on the efficacy of the 3 and telling him that I'm closing up the

[00:00:52] forge with a promise to join him in lindon as soon as possible.

[00:01:04] You would lie to your High King.

[00:01:10] I would grant us the space to complete our work.

[00:01:14] I have spent an age preparing for this.

[00:01:18] I have a printer star.

[00:01:20] I have studied, I've reached the very back to my craft.

[00:01:25] This is my moment.

[00:01:32] He will not take it away.

[00:02:10] Welcome back fellow ringers to our podcast circle.

[00:02:14] This is the Lord of the Rings podcast on TV Podcast industries and we're talking about Episode 3

[00:02:20] and four of the Rings of power, the Eagle and the Scepter and Eldest.

[00:02:26] I am one of your host, John.

[00:02:28] I'm your other host, Derek, two more episodes of The Rings of the Paragher.

[00:02:32] Absolutely.

[00:02:33] We're catching up quickly.

[00:02:34] We are only one episode behind after these two.

[00:02:36] Thank goodness.

[00:02:38] Yeah, no really good to be back in this world.

[00:02:43] Really strong.

[00:02:46] First of all, episodes for me and the strong opening and continues here.

[00:02:52] I mean with Episode 3 and Episode 4 so I can't wait to get my teeth stuck into this one.

[00:02:59] Absolutely, absolutely.

[00:03:00] Like an Eagle with a Scepter.

[00:03:03] I guess so.

[00:03:04] Maybe not.

[00:03:04] I'm not sure whether Eagle's stick their teeth into Scepters because they don't really have teeth to them.

[00:03:08] They have a beak.

[00:03:11] Honestly, the other reason I would love to deposit the name of the episode because

[00:03:14] it does remind me of the famous Oxford institution that is the Eagle and Child,

[00:03:19] which is the pubs at Gerorotoken and CS Lewis used to meet up with.

[00:03:23] Thank you.

[00:03:24] Were we went for a pint when we were said that it was just yes?

[00:03:26] I'm sure you went to MediPytson there over the years that you lived in Oxford.

[00:03:30] Yes, absolutely.

[00:03:37] I'm not too sure what the story is.

[00:03:40] Yeah, but I'm sure it's still the pulling pints.

[00:03:44] It's back.

[00:03:44] It's back apparently was closed for four years since the dreaded coronavirus should have done 20, 20.

[00:03:52] And then it was purchased and reopened this year again.

[00:03:55] So it's back open again so I'm able to get for a pint next time or over.

[00:03:58] Excellent.

[00:03:59] But plus more than likely next year actually.

[00:04:02] Oh yes, yes.

[00:04:03] And a restory.

[00:04:05] You're gode as the Coloss.

[00:04:07] Gode?

[00:04:08] Gode.

[00:04:09] I was thinking about the gold.

[00:04:10] Oh, gold.

[00:04:11] For matriculation year, 1997.

[00:04:13] Very good.

[00:04:14] Very good.

[00:04:15] I always think for some reason,

[00:04:16] gode is like something kind of not shiny.

[00:04:19] Like a gode, piece of jewelry.

[00:04:21] I guess it is.

[00:04:22] It is.

[00:04:22] It is.

[00:04:23] Yeah, well, I mean, I think there's multiple meanings and different spellings.

[00:04:27] You know, like, uh, all bad.

[00:04:29] Well, yeah, all bad.

[00:04:30] Well, we have to have a little bit of that.

[00:04:32] Or fair, or fair.

[00:04:32] They all sent the same time.

[00:04:35] Good stuff.

[00:04:36] Well, that's enough for that.

[00:04:37] Oxford.

[00:04:37] That's going to be a discussion about the rings of paris season two episode three four.

[00:04:42] Yes indeed.

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[00:05:29] Without further ado, let us get into our spoiler filled discussion of season two episode three and four.

[00:05:38] Derek, what awesome of the episode details?

[00:05:41] Well, of course the show is based on the Lord of the Rings and the Appendency by J.R.

[00:05:44] We're talking the show winners for and executive producers for the show, R.J.

[00:05:47] D.Pane and Patrick K. episode three was directed by Charlotte Blandstrom and Louise Huper

[00:05:52] both of them directed episode two together as well.

[00:05:54] Episode three was written by Helen Chang.

[00:05:56] This is her first episode of Rings of Parabod has loads of TV credits including writing season three

[00:06:00] episode nine of Hannibal and the woman clowed with some.

[00:06:04] That's the only season of Hannibal we covered here in the podcast show.

[00:06:07] So, isn't that interesting?

[00:06:08] That was the first show I think we covered on TV podcast industry.

[00:06:11] Yes, Lou Siddly was about eight to nine years ago at this stage.

[00:06:14] And here she is back working in another show for TV.

[00:06:18] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:06:20] Really um

[00:06:21] The ring the circle of power closes exactly exactly I kind of like to think of that as

[00:06:27] R.J. is for show's work for TV podcast industry, because they're writing shows that we like to cover.

[00:06:33] So it starts so it begins and so it begins.

[00:06:37] They exactly exactly but on top said four it was directed by Sana Hamry and Louise Huper

[00:06:42] which we mentioned, Louise co-directing episode two and three.

[00:06:45] Sana Hamry directs episode five of the season as well but we've discussed her a loss previously

[00:06:50] because she directed the finale of Gen V the boy spin off.

[00:06:53] For season one and episode four of the Queen of Time season two interestingly.

[00:06:57] Yeah, so two big fantasy worlds four prime videos.

[00:07:00] Absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool they're getting that kind of basis of directors

[00:07:04] that are moving on to different big projects on the on-prem video similar to what we see on Netflix.

[00:07:08] Yeah definitely quite a lot.

[00:07:10] But this episode episode four was written by actually niece Mullins.

[00:07:13] First rings of power episode.

[00:07:14] Previously was a story as a reminder on season four of a Star Trek Discovery.

[00:07:18] Excellent stuff.

[00:07:20] Yeah strong female characters are with an absolutely good store.

[00:07:23] But John do you want to give us your synopsis four episode three of the rings of

[00:07:27] power at season two the eagle and scepter?

[00:07:31] Sure there was sealed doors presume dead in the eruption of Mount Doom his horse

[00:07:35] Barric finds him alive in their nest of giant spiders and helps him escape on his way to

[00:07:41] Palo gear and old new menoring colony as sealed or comes across a young woman named Estrid who

[00:07:47] could lead bears at Adahl's brand.

[00:07:50] They are attacked by wild men who steal Barric and are saved by the elf Arondier who's

[00:07:55] grieving the loss of Broment the woman he loved.

[00:07:59] Broment Sont Theo dismisses Arondier's attempts to comfort him and offers to help

[00:08:03] steal Barric back as they are doing this Theo and the wild man are captured by

[00:08:09] something unknown.

[00:08:11] In Numenor Estilde or sister Arin causes outrage when she reveals that Queen Regent

[00:08:18] Merell has been using an elvish palentier. A great eagle arrives at Merell's coronation following

[00:08:25] the death of her father King Tarb Palentier and Lord Bellsagar a supporter of Merell's cousin

[00:08:32] Farazon claims that this is a sign of support for Farazon.

[00:08:37] Back in Eregan, Kalimbrimbo and Anatar asked the dwarves for Mithral so they can make more

[00:08:44] rings of power. King during the third provides it despite during the fourth's distrust of

[00:08:50] Anatar.

[00:08:51] Hmm not to move into there on the creation of the rings of Paralymphe courses the purpose of the

[00:08:56] whole season. I should have mentioned before. I put John do what he gave us this in

[00:09:00] up since 4 p.m. before we go into our major points. I'm said for it eldest.

[00:09:04] Sure. Elrand and Galatriel set out for Eregan. They come to a bridge that has been destroyed by

[00:09:12] lightning and are forced to take a more dangerous path. Meanwhile in the lands of Rune,

[00:09:17] the stranger meets a mysterious man named Tom Bomberdil while Nuri and Poppy find a community

[00:09:22] of half things called Stores. They learn that the half-foot's are descended from a store who left

[00:09:28] room in search of the sazat, a place of green hills that he dreamed could be the home of

[00:09:34] half-lings. Back in Pelaghe, Arondir reduces the estrid as one of the wild men. She earns

[00:09:41] back a sealed-dose trust when he and Arondir are sucked into a mud pit inhabited by a

[00:09:45] nameless creature and she helps free them. They're confronted by two n2 captured Theo and the

[00:09:52] wild man in retribution for the failing of trees by a doll's army of orcs.

[00:09:57] Arondir promises to protect the forest and the ends free their prisoners. One of the wild men

[00:10:03] is Hargan, Estrid's Petro's. As the elves continue their journey to Eregan, they fight off

[00:10:10] barrowites in the barolans and Elrand and Galatriel find a daz army. Galatriel gives her ring to

[00:10:16] Elrand and tells him to return to Lindon King Gilgilead of the Orcs. Galatriel stays to hold

[00:10:22] the Orcs and allow the rest of the elves to escape but is captured by a dazat. How much happened in

[00:10:29] these two episodes? If you wondered whether you were in the world of Talki to the Lord of the Rings,

[00:10:34] we have ends, we have horses that are able to find their masters on their own. We have

[00:10:40] nerds, spiders, murderers, spiders of course. We have elves doing awesome things. Welcome back

[00:10:46] around here. Feeling very legal ass like. I'm sorry, it's said once again, a barrowite.

[00:10:51] The barrowite is a real cool thing. Yeah, tons of stuff. Lalan elves, dwarves,

[00:11:01] hidden sourons and a new name. Me throw a bit. Me throw in the really really good.

[00:11:09] Actually, let's get into our tales of Middle Earth, John. Yes. Tale number one. Barric is the

[00:11:16] bestest of boys. In really is it. Barric the horse. I like this. I mean, you know, he tells

[00:11:23] the lendel to stuff it. They're not leaving. Back on the ship so that he can go off and find

[00:11:28] his rider in the form of a seal door. He's a good old boy as he rides off to find his master.

[00:11:37] He's still alive but has been captured deep in the layer of these spiders. It's really cool

[00:11:45] to be here seeing Barric's character. We can't just have a little bit of a season one and it's

[00:11:48] something that's really clear in the Lord of the Rings, that horses on Middle Earth have their own

[00:11:53] personalities and are completely able to communicate with their riders and have their own relationships

[00:11:58] and yeah, you know, they're like another species like dwarves and elves and humans. Horses are also

[00:12:05] characters that we saw having their own drives in a way. And Barric here is a heroic horse.

[00:12:12] Exactly. And then there's the loyalty of the horse, you know, in terms of with their rider

[00:12:20] that the team of them because horses for warfare and some cases or their trusted

[00:12:26] steed it kind of feeds into that nation. Yeah. I'm not sure what they're ever had enough play

[00:12:32] in Peter Jackson's movies. There was kind of sort of touches to it if you'd read the books.

[00:12:36] You probably knew it a bit better but really the riders that they were here and

[00:12:40] as a Rohan, those characters had direct relationships with their horses. They were very specific.

[00:12:46] They were kind of there were more family members than just rider and horse, I suppose.

[00:12:50] And when do we see more of that in the animated War of the War, we're here in movie that's

[00:12:54] maybe a series of people. I mean, I think yeah, maybe. I mean, you knew that the Rohan,

[00:13:01] the culture of the horse, the symbol of the horse was important. But I think the idea of sort

[00:13:08] of unseed communication or indeed said communication was through R win or through strider,

[00:13:15] effectively. In terms of strider being rescued in the two towers, by the horse,

[00:13:23] and in the four in the ravine and into the river. Yeah, for the War of the Taken.

[00:13:27] No. And I think with Rohan's relationship with her white horse, you know, as she's escaping the

[00:13:36] and indeed just conjuring up the river, the swaling river to wash the rathes away.

[00:13:43] Yes. It is in the form of jumping horse. Yes, that's right. That's right.

[00:13:50] So I suppose this seems like because they could spend a little bit more time on a TV show,

[00:13:54] giving Barric his moment to go across multiple areas of Middle-Earth, trying to find his rider,

[00:14:00] trying to find a seal door. And really gives him that characterisation that I feel you could read

[00:14:05] in Tolkien's book. So, so that was kind of cool. I really enjoyed that and then going into the

[00:14:10] spiders layer where we see a seal door completely wrapped in webs from, I guess she loves relatives.

[00:14:17] I don't think she likes it. Yeah, I don't know. She's an estu-she-lob-like

[00:14:22] spider. I guess. Oh, I mean this is so far back. One of them may even be she-lob if they're really

[00:14:33] maybe she loves a long living. I don't think whether she-lob really is around because as well,

[00:14:42] it's in the black forest. She loves the latterly is up in the high fels and as you go into

[00:14:51] mortal. So I think it's a little bit, there's a different location but it's certainly the same

[00:14:59] looks like, you know, similar type of species and they certainly like to cocoon and digest the

[00:15:09] flash of men or this. So yeah, I mean, I like the whole fight actually. It looked really good.

[00:15:15] Even those sort of the baby spiders popping out of that kind of little orbs, it almost looked

[00:15:21] very alien-like. Oh, I did that. Yeah. I felt like the face-toker kind of. Yeah, it was really good.

[00:15:27] And I think the bite that is still a little house with one of the largest spiders is just really,

[00:15:32] really good and again you have a barric kind of almost just stout stomping in order to

[00:15:38] frighten the smaller spiders away to try and to do its bits really to help give a sealed all

[00:15:45] best chance of survival here. Yeah, I did also light with Barric the fact that he managed to sort

[00:15:50] of at least see off a group of orcs and sort of effectively kicking one into an orc type

[00:15:59] kabab. And so that was all really good. So Barric was pretty heroic and pretty loyal and also quite

[00:16:09] a contracted dog. He certainly was. He certainly was. The one of those things I really liked about

[00:16:12] spider layer was just a reveal that the orc that was trapped and that was tied up aside,

[00:16:18] a sealed or was also alive. And still he still awake and the instant he wakes up he attacks his

[00:16:22] seal door. It's like they were in battle and got taken by the spiders at the same time and then

[00:16:27] they boat wake up at the same time and try and continue the battle basically. The orcs instant reaction

[00:16:31] is kind of killed the human. So are the new menorian I guess. But he doesn't last very long.

[00:16:38] But it does lead them to reuniting with Theo and Arondigat. Finally we get Arondigat back.

[00:16:45] Our favorite elf from for the season one. I think it needs us to say. Yeah, no absolutely.

[00:16:50] In terms of as well, a sealed or linking in with the Rondier here as well. And as well picking up

[00:17:00] the new person in estrus as well. As is still very much a lot of kind of I would guess refugees

[00:17:07] from the fact that Mount Doom is still spewing ash and erupting. And other and as orcs are capturing

[00:17:17] any human's that are abandoned that area as well. So you kind of have all these humans sort of taking

[00:17:24] sanctuary at this very old kind of slightly ruined new menorian settlement from years previously.

[00:17:34] And I kind of I like that. I like the idea that you know the race of men and middle earth have

[00:17:40] kind of lost the skills that the new menorians have. You know this idea that a sealed or wants

[00:17:46] he is up hell a deer is saying well this is an aqueduct. This brings water directly into a home.

[00:17:53] I mean you know and they can't quite comprehend this technology that would do that because they

[00:17:59] effectively are using it as a fountain or more used to wells and picking up the water like that.

[00:18:06] So I kind of like that. I did see with other little nod to Monte Python there was a bit of one

[00:18:11] of the Romans ever done for us. They haven't even been feeling so excited. Fountain properly actually this is

[00:18:15] supposed to be indoor plumbing for your houses. Yeah exactly but I do like you know around there coming

[00:18:20] back here sort of saving a sealed or his fine archie work. I like the fact that you know a sealed

[00:18:27] really has picked up an unknown with estrogen at this stage. But you know one that will reveal

[00:18:34] itself to be a former ally of a dart and at least marked by a dart. Yeah and you know he

[00:18:43] gets stabbed by her but it similarly then he kind of almost like he falls for the same trick again

[00:18:50] as it was a mother cart and this time it's with wild man from the mark of a dart and they

[00:18:57] they take bear it here and but he is ultimately saved by a rendezvous he is protecting

[00:19:05] the humans at this new minority in settlement. Yeah yeah very grumpy around here we find

[00:19:11] pretty quickly the reason why because a bronman who is a major character in season one

[00:19:17] and his love interest really I suppose. Yeah yeah throughout the season she's she's passed away

[00:19:23] she's died leaving Theo with Edom all there and he just knows who his father is and are under

[00:19:28] your kind of the stacked ad after his mom was died you know so kind of a difficult situation to

[00:19:34] start the both of the mice in season two where they are now you know it's a very different situation

[00:19:39] than kind of the the small family that we were starting to see come together in season one.

[00:19:46] Yeah absolutely and I mean you know Theo in the sense rejects a rendezvous you see them having

[00:19:54] the funeral pyre here and the cremation of bronman but Theo is anything that you

[00:20:01] were to me is ashes now you know he kind of rejects a rendezvous here you know he's not his father

[00:20:10] and he never knew his father and so you know this fracture appears between and around here and Theo

[00:20:18] I mean it's interesting with Theo as well because later on whereas he's helping a sealed or

[00:20:26] rescue barit from the the encampment of the of a dars wild man yeah you know he kind of comes

[00:20:35] up to them say I've got the mark of a dog well and one that says I've done more for him than any

[00:20:41] of which is the mark that was used in order to start mountain doom effectively yes and he got

[00:20:49] it from the the dagger of saueron yes that was where it had come from but it is a different mark

[00:20:56] to a dars mark and they instantly see that police trying to explain it away go no mine looks

[00:21:00] different because actually I got a special mark from a dars which he didn't put it doesn't last

[00:21:05] very long like the capture and pretty quickly but there is some some good things about this

[00:21:09] about these scenes with with Theo it's kind of a I don't know it's a sad star to this season

[00:21:15] that is lost as mom they were very close characters together but we do hear him overhearing the

[00:21:20] conversation between the estrid and the sealed or were sealed or reveals that his mother

[00:21:23] died trying to save him when he was a kid and he always told everybody that she just ran but actually

[00:21:29] she ran trying to save him so he's feeling guilt about that and you know we kind of get from Theo

[00:21:35] that he's feeling major guilt about the loss of brun when that he feels his fault that she ended

[00:21:40] off dying and so we're getting a little bit of that growth from the character of Theo

[00:21:47] already within this one episode we didn't he doesn't stay as the serene teenager get away

[00:21:52] from me stepped out yeah no he's strong he's again with yeah yeah and also he you know he says

[00:21:58] I've got promises I need to keep of my own you know yeah I like that comment that he says

[00:22:05] to a rendez it's kind of like look after he's been saved by him it's like you know I appreciate

[00:22:12] what you've done I understand that you promised my mother that you would look after me and

[00:22:20] but I also have promises that I need to keep of my own yeah exactly and it so it feels like a

[00:22:28] real growing up there yeah and I move on from season one so yeah I really enjoyed this and I love

[00:22:36] they kind of mistreated at the end of episode three as to what had taken them I mean I did guess

[00:22:44] it's just you know because you have the wild man using his axe and he gets pretty

[00:22:50] knackered up and I like seeing then the ends here which you know we really see an episode for

[00:22:58] the crooked end is voiced by Jim Broadband yes really good that's right and I love the design

[00:23:04] of the other one with the the blossom on his who is voiced by Olivia Williams that's right

[00:23:10] so really really enjoyed then seeing how you know similarly you know they're attacking

[00:23:18] the wild man and orks being the halves of their destruction I like how they call them you know

[00:23:25] sap spillers and branch breakers and you know that kind of terminology the the the murderous

[00:23:34] orks and humans that are chopping and splintering wood now I'm really the fastest

[00:23:41] they're almost action ants in comparison what we saw in Lord of the Rings yeah with Treebeard

[00:23:45] where you know the whole thing with the Treebeard character is he speaks really slowly because

[00:23:49] he's survived for thousands of years and you know even saying hello takes an entire day for the

[00:23:55] ants in that time whereas here we've got ants that are going hang on a second these people are

[00:24:00] waging war on our forests they're killing safflings they're destroying trees they're young

[00:24:05] we're gonna take them out immediately so they are in and of themselves these ants are much more

[00:24:09] action or it takes it almost you feel younger it's nice to see different ants because we did

[00:24:15] it only spend most of the time with Treebeard as the major voice character by Jonathan Reestavis who

[00:24:20] also played Gimli and Lord of the Rings he voiced the characters very being very slow but we didn't

[00:24:24] really spend any time with any other ants so nice to see that they all have their own individual

[00:24:28] personalities as well yes exactly what's kind of cool so I really enjoyed that I think the other thing

[00:24:33] I loved as a sealed or around here and Esther are heading off and at this stage Esther just

[00:24:43] changed is shackled because they know that she was marked by a dog just pledged to self to a

[00:24:52] dog but I do like the moment in the forest as they're tracking the the ants when that kind of

[00:25:03] social great design you were just kind of they're thinking oh this is just like normal quick

[00:25:09] quick mode quicksand you know type situation but think to terrify every child in the ACs they

[00:25:14] all thought there was quicksand at the bottom of every field yeah exactly and then you see

[00:25:19] it was this monster and Esther actually helps to rescue them and to pull the the creature out of

[00:25:30] the mord as it's then sort of sliced from the inside by a rendezvous I kind of like the two puts

[00:25:37] the big big branch into the mord and you see the branch coming back out attached to something

[00:25:43] you think it's going to be around here that's actually the big mud monster yeah no absolutely

[00:25:47] no a nice reveal really good it was really good I loved it I liked how you know

[00:25:54] you kind of briefly get this thing I sealed or seemingly you know an estrid potentially there's

[00:25:59] trust here and there's the moment where you know they test her to see if they can trust her

[00:26:07] but she just turned the sealed holes blade on him but her on there is there with the arrow

[00:26:15] cocked ready to fire you're at her but we do then see the despite a sealed doors sort of kind of

[00:26:29] prison which I thought was really cool this kind of sort of crown of a tree being used to hold

[00:26:35] them prisoner yeah and really good design and but we see that one of the wildmen there being held

[00:26:41] by the answers prisoner is Esther's kind of long loss wildmen I guess who she was looking for

[00:26:49] the reason for her being out in her own yep that's her been on the truth yeah which kind of thought

[00:26:54] was a bit of a lie when she was saying it to sealed or oh yeah I've already got a boyfriend back home

[00:26:59] anything I made her looking for him but actually it turns out yeah he's one of the wildmen and

[00:27:03] he's he's her patrols she was actually at their looking for him so so now they're meeting back up

[00:27:08] here this so much that that is happening in these two episodes we could talk about this point

[00:27:13] for ages just still you know just little things like a sealed or going through what looks

[00:27:18] like an early version of the dead marshes a battle that is left dead I'll be sure yeah and the

[00:27:28] didn't there as well but but we leave that opening point and move on to her big points there's a

[00:27:33] lot going on there I mean it kind of straddles barric sealed or but the you know the sort of reconnection

[00:27:41] with Theo and her on dear the introduction of Esther does a new character as well as the introduction

[00:27:48] events I mean there's tons of it in that tale really yeah there really is this absolutely loads

[00:27:54] I think we've mentioned this before with the boys that also releases three episodes on its first day

[00:27:59] and it comes out in prime video it feels like this season because three episodes are being released

[00:28:03] on the first day for rings parod in the third episode we guess Theo or on dear on a sealed or

[00:28:08] and we also got newmen or as well so when you have all three episodes you can spread those

[00:28:13] characters as across all three episodes you're touching in with everybody but you don't have to

[00:28:17] include them all in each episode but by the end of the three the came out of the day you've

[00:28:20] touched in with every character that we've seen in the first season of the show really yeah but I think

[00:28:26] on to our second tale of middle earth and I'm also see in newmen or lower the rings has

[00:28:34] has been replaced by a house of the dragon or game of thrones here over a newmanor yeah I like this

[00:28:39] and I make sense you know this idea that newmanor with the arrival back of a lendil and the queen

[00:28:51] and the not only is newmanor grieving and sad for the loss of their soldiers that went to mid-earth

[00:29:00] but their angry as well with their queen who prophesies to tape them there oh yeah you have a

[00:29:10] great victory at which it didn't pan out you know so they're dealing with defeat so there's a whole

[00:29:17] break of sort of negative emotions swilling around newmanor you know grief defeat and also anger

[00:29:25] and all this playing into this kind of melting pot where you have you know the soldiers that have

[00:29:31] returned that were there with the queen knowing that she went in to save people from burning

[00:29:36] buildings leaving them so her leading them I mean and that kind of loyalty from those that survive

[00:29:46] that doomed for eight in middle earth air along with then you know that the people in

[00:29:54] newmanor who have lost members of that attack force so like you have that really nice moment

[00:30:01] with that mother who is angry and I like how that plays out there was really really good with the

[00:30:06] queen it's also sad I mean she's lost her she has also lost that she kind of

[00:30:15] pulls the mother in to say I understand your grief you know we have lost a sort of

[00:30:21] newmanor type of thing that sort of politician type way but also I've lost my eyesight you know

[00:30:29] I've experienced loss but there's loads of different machinations here as we have

[00:30:36] a lendils daughter erin but also pharison in terms of the cousin of the queen

[00:30:42] because as she was away the rest of the city of newmanor was trying to put him in place as the

[00:30:48] new king the thing that they would probably correct you on john these uh these opposing team

[00:30:53] is that mario is not queen mario is queen region so that's what I mean yeah she she went

[00:30:58] off to battle with with all the newmanorians but I suppose that's what makes her different to what

[00:31:01] you'd see now in in the real world um mario is a leader of her people she went off to war with

[00:31:08] her brother than just sending them off to war so all of her good deeds that she did

[00:31:12] out there with all of the people fighting alongside with them running into building to save people

[00:31:17] nobody back in newmanor has seen that they're just hearing it second hand

[00:31:20] so from their point of view she left them all behind and the city is going to fall into ruin

[00:31:27] and the big reveal really was erin learn 12 she was away was that she took direction from a palentir

[00:31:33] and elvish magical item we saw on the first season that the newmanorians at least it's

[00:31:40] significant portion of the newmanorians have really ill feelings towards the elves so it's kind

[00:31:46] is cultural it's historical it's that it's the fact that so they have long life convert to

[00:31:55] guess normal men and that's because they chose to the way of humanity not elvish so there's

[00:32:06] that kind of split here and you know that's a really kind of a great sort of historical

[00:32:14] cultural sort of embedded sort of point of conflict in there you know whether it's that they

[00:32:22] look the wrong turn because they don't have that almost immortality you know and I love all that

[00:32:29] kind of notion being wrapped around that but yeah but it's also that they're on the kind of

[00:32:35] on the shores of where the elves go off to the west to Valar I guess so they're able to see that

[00:32:42] and they're not able to go there they don't have the not immortal they won't live forever

[00:32:48] they will live longer than humans but it's like as if something a prize was taken away from

[00:32:52] the most just what some of the people feel here and that's what you're like that's what gives

[00:32:55] the drama here is that you have two sides of the argument and both sides are having in you know

[00:33:00] it's an equally weighted argument that's supposed to be the side of them you know you can understand

[00:33:04] why the troops that were with Merial in the failed battle why they have the support for Merial we

[00:33:11] see it quite specifically in the argument that Valandiel has one of Cecil Doris best friends he

[00:33:17] has an argument with Earian and Faison in the in the local pub and the local bar basically telling

[00:33:23] them you know step off or else you're going to have the entire force against you basically this

[00:33:28] you need to stop criticizing Green Region Merial here she is going to be our new leader and

[00:33:32] rightly so you know so so we have those those machinations and that drama and really it all will

[00:33:39] lead to the fall of Numenor we know Numenor is not a city that lasts into the third age so

[00:33:45] eventually there will be a fall here so seeing this in fighting between the Numenorians who will

[00:33:49] last a very long time is the is the big drama of the show one of the big dramas of the show as well

[00:33:54] right yeah absolutely no I mean I kind of loved how Farazon played that you know he he's almost

[00:33:59] being tempted by his kind of inner circle that to to go up and almost to be treacherous towards his

[00:34:06] cousin and to where's he tries to lay the foundations for a coronation I love they come Zannis

[00:34:12] there's what you want red for the future or white for you know the past he goes for

[00:34:20] white because she thinks it's more humble on the day yeah and on the day of the coronation

[00:34:26] you see Farazon in red in the opposite hit so this but I think Farazon ultimately takes his opportunity

[00:34:33] you know erin tells him of the palentia of what she finds in the tower based on the fact that

[00:34:41] he was there with the last words of the king who died once Murrell was in middle earth fighting

[00:34:48] to save the world of men but I like the fact that this talk of sedition of treason doesn't really

[00:34:57] come about with Farazon yes he's the consummate politician he wants to know more but as and when

[00:35:05] things begin to play out with it at the coronation that's where he he sees you know that

[00:35:12] little crack to be able to insert himself in order to turn the people away from the queen

[00:35:19] and to lose her support and ever more so with the eagle that arrives that we we see in

[00:35:26] the movie is the large eagles which again Farazon says these are an auspicious omen if they

[00:35:32] attend if they arrive during the coronation and one does here and I kind of like the fact that

[00:35:40] in some ways he's the one that grabs that yes so you don't actually know whether the all

[00:35:46] spacious arrival of this eagle is actually for the the the queen regent and Murrell who is about to be

[00:35:56] go through the coronation but he takes it for his own and his inner circle then starts to

[00:36:03] chanting of Farazon you've had earion um sort of laying out the use of almost elvish magic

[00:36:10] and the heresy of that with this pylantia um being used by uh the queen regent I like the fact

[00:36:19] earion you know is in herself angry um and she is sort of channeling that anger of in her mind the death

[00:36:28] of a sealed omen yes and for effectively regime change here and against her father Lendil who is

[00:36:36] still very much loyal to the queen exactly so I'm really looking forward to seeing how that plays out as

[00:36:44] it's an interesting one as well it's kind of a comment on you know the people I guess like

[00:36:49] myself who are peaceful people who don't go to war you know um I'd probably be similar on the

[00:36:53] side of a aary and when you know her brother gets sent off to war and it doesn't come back home

[00:36:59] and instantly she's like well he shouldn't have gone to war in the first place you know if that's

[00:37:02] kind of her idea but you see for a merciless father that he was there he was on the battlefield

[00:37:08] he knew that it wasn't a specific fault of queen regent Murrell that you sealed her dyes

[00:37:13] a sealed omen his head too but he doesn't blame the leader of the army for that that is what

[00:37:19] happens in war in his mind so I kind of like that comparison between the two that it's father and

[00:37:23] daughter on two different sides and earion is very much against uh Queen Regent Murrell and also

[00:37:30] has an opportunity here to sell a two or wider group she's able to tell them all that she's used

[00:37:35] the the palentere yeah yeah the interesting thing though here in this kind of in a sense

[00:37:40] rising up against the queen the palentere rolls across the floor and a lendil touches it and there

[00:37:46] is that flash or is knocked back and I'm third it just reminds me of um when pippin touches this

[00:37:53] and then that vision and I just wonder if a lendil here uh gets the vision from or a vision yes maybe

[00:38:02] the plant here yeah so be interested as well I'm to see if if that happens but yeah really

[00:38:08] really kind of enjoying and then I guess this intense yeah political side of nomenal that's

[00:38:19] happened as a result of this disastrous military campaign for uh for the nomenal orient yeah

[00:38:27] yeah no I really enjoyed it what a great way to bring uh nomenal back into the series after a couple

[00:38:31] of episodes away and good stuff that's our tale number two we move on to tell number three

[00:38:36] sure yes let us get into the third tale of middle earth the dwarven rings of power of which

[00:38:45] there are seven and more machinations from anatar uh with kelom rimbore this time telling him

[00:38:52] that gil galad has forbade the creation of any more rings so kelom rimbore decides to write a letter

[00:38:59] telling him that he's shutting down the forge just like gil galad asked and then in secret

[00:39:02] he's going to develop the rings of power for the dwarves yeah I kind of like I like this whole

[00:39:07] dynamic here where it's almost like anatar is but you'll be lying to your hiking and he's like

[00:39:13] no I will be giving us time to finish our tasks there's a great thing here I think with anatar

[00:39:20] um you know like he came out of the forge last time very sort of angelic very you know that kind of

[00:39:27] the blonde her very you're appearing christian feel I guess but I like the fact that despite

[00:39:37] you know the blonde her and saw in this angelicness of the elves you know the the that dreaminess

[00:39:45] there's what I love is there's they kind of keep this darkness around his eyes yes you know

[00:39:53] he's blonde his pure his elven but like there's this barely perceptible hint of corruption with

[00:40:03] a slight darkness around the eyelids and the eyes in general and the thing really good job

[00:40:10] of Charlie Vickers because you know we he did look at kind of scruffy strider kind of character in

[00:40:16] the first season and there we see him as this elvish god god like emissary almost that we see

[00:40:22] a christian chemistry that we see but he still does look dark and then he looks so different

[00:40:27] yeah like you can see the hint of malice and it's all to do with the eyes it's really good and I

[00:40:33] do kind of quite like I maybe it's not technically a fourth wall break but there's a couple of

[00:40:38] fourth wall breaks to my mind my sour on here where he's looking directly in anatar is looking

[00:40:46] directly into the camera as something's just happened and then the event starts on fold and

[00:40:55] it's almost like just bringing the audience into his deceit of selling From him or like he's

[00:41:01] gonna give a link to the audience isn't that it's not like that it's more it's saying you know

[00:41:09] yeah that I am deceiving selling from the left isn't there so he is effectively a patsy

[00:41:13] I like that around this relationship as well is that

[00:41:18] I don't know, it's not a direct fourth wall break.

[00:41:21] It's just very close to it.

[00:41:24] And but it's really good because it's kind of, you know,

[00:41:27] the heart of darkness here in Middle Earth is sour on looking at you

[00:41:31] as the audience saying,

[00:41:33] you know what I know and you can't tell him.

[00:41:36] And you know this isn't going to end well.

[00:41:38] And you can't tell him to try and make it better.

[00:41:40] So you can have almost it,

[00:41:42] it's like, depowers the audience here.

[00:41:45] And because of what they know from what he has said previously,

[00:41:49] but also just the fact that you know it from the books.

[00:41:51] You know?

[00:41:52] So I really kind of like this kind of notion here.

[00:41:56] And I also love that his actual preparation of kind of

[00:41:59] and remember is him making kind of a more think that this is his idea.

[00:42:04] He's, you know, he's got him in this position

[00:42:07] where he's told him that he's the worker that's not respected

[00:42:10] by his boss, basically by Gil Galad.

[00:42:13] And telling him he has an opportunity here to create even more

[00:42:16] powerful rings or some more powerful rings.

[00:42:18] Sorry, they may not be more powerful than the elevest rings.

[00:42:21] But he's telling him that this is something that he should be doing

[00:42:25] without telling him to do it.

[00:42:26] He's making Kevin Brimbo think this is his idea.

[00:42:28] Yeah exactly.

[00:42:29] And I think almost in slight contrast here is the arrival of Prince

[00:42:34] Jurin and Disa, a raggy on to meet with Kevin Brimbo.

[00:42:38] You know, as he's looking to seal this deal of getting

[00:42:42] me through from the doors in exchange for these rings of power

[00:42:48] to heal Kazak Doom the mountain.

[00:42:52] And effectively, you know, as Prince Jurin sort of

[00:42:55] concisely puts it, it's me through all for rings.

[00:42:58] He has to go to his king.

[00:43:00] But I like the fact that ultimately there's something

[00:43:04] that Jurin doesn't trust here.

[00:43:06] Yeah, through the interjection of Anotite almost like Anotite

[00:43:10] at Sauron at just oversteps.

[00:43:16] And the mark here as he tries to sort of just convince Jurin.

[00:43:21] But he looks to force the conviction of Jurin to bring me

[00:43:29] through and to do it without telling his father's king.

[00:43:33] And this goes against everything really into war

[00:43:36] and society.

[00:43:37] And this is why Jurin is also cool and

[00:43:42] it's distrustful of the claim that Anotite knows El Ron.

[00:43:46] Yes.

[00:43:47] And so I really kind of like this.

[00:43:49] Yeah, because we saw the relationship at Sauron.

[00:43:50] We saw that El Rond and Dura had this brotherly friendship.

[00:43:54] But with that brotherly friendship, they would never be as complementary

[00:43:57] as Anotite as making a shell runk would be.

[00:44:00] What he says to Dura and that El Rond speaks very highly of him

[00:44:03] has great praise for him during incidentally

[00:44:06] goes hang on a second.

[00:44:06] That doesn't sound like my El Rond.

[00:44:08] There's no way he talked that positively about it

[00:44:10] with other people.

[00:44:11] Exactly.

[00:44:12] And this whole thing of going sort of circumventing King Jurin

[00:44:16] it doesn't sit right with his son.

[00:44:22] But I do like then Kalimbrimbo, kind of in a sense, saying to Anotite,

[00:44:26] look, you may have just pushed this too much

[00:44:28] and there is this saying I liked it.

[00:44:30] The slow Drip splits the boulder that allow Prince Jurin now to

[00:44:36] give that offer to his father and the time for him to maybe

[00:44:41] come around to X-axis.

[00:44:43] Interestingly, Jurin does go and tell King Duran about the offer.

[00:44:49] But he caveats it with like an untrustling.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:52] I wouldn't tell you to take up this offer.

[00:44:54] I don't trust him.

[00:44:56] But it seems like King Duran's going to go out.

[00:44:59] He wants something to allow him to be the revered leader again.

[00:45:03] He's kind of lost a lot of the respect from the dwarves who live in

[00:45:06] Kazadum because of what's happened and all shop down

[00:45:08] and the connection to the man not being there.

[00:45:11] Exactly.

[00:45:11] All when his son, the Prince, goes to speak to him about this offer.

[00:45:17] We see dwarves curing up to petition the king essentially for food

[00:45:21] to open up the royal food reserves to his popular.

[00:45:25] So it goes back to Halbrand, Anatars, kind of a conversation to

[00:45:30] Kalimbrimbo that you know, the moment is at hand with regards to dwarves because

[00:45:36] of the disaster that's before and Kazadum,

[00:45:39] we have the loss of the son's shop.

[00:45:42] And so and didn't you mention last episode you were wondering whether this was

[00:45:46] something that was created by Sarah on the situation that was created by Sarah.

[00:45:49] So it does feel now that Sarah and Kazadum's hand in this or maybe he's just

[00:45:54] taking the opportunity.

[00:45:54] I'm not sure whether he's the public master or exactly.

[00:45:58] It's difficult.

[00:45:59] So I mean, also when he Prince Duran has come to his father with an offer where

[00:46:02] he's kind of feeling the pressure from his own subjects of one that is

[00:46:10] will heal the mountain.

[00:46:12] And despite the caveat that Prince Duran says, they just

[00:46:20] not trust this power in a regular.

[00:46:22] There's something hugely suspicious of it.

[00:46:26] They also need to apologize.

[00:46:28] So there is that but we see at the end then of episode three that King Duran

[00:46:35] has arrived himself at Erigom to give the

[00:46:41] Mithril to Kalen Brimbo.

[00:46:43] And they do like this moment where Kalen Brimbo then gives it to Anatar

[00:46:49] who moves it from one hand to the other that has his eyes closed, almost

[00:46:53] like he's doing a quiet meditation of some distinction who then

[00:46:58] places it in the molten metal that has been put through the furnace.

[00:47:04] As it melts into it.

[00:47:05] And you kind of see the darkness of the impurities within

[00:47:10] and the molten metal that is at there to forge these seven rings for the door.

[00:47:19] Yes, so suppose because we've seen Elrons concern about the elvash rings that

[00:47:24] there could have been some intervention there from Sarah on here.

[00:47:28] We see a bit of direct intervention in the creation of the door of

[00:47:31] our rings at the door of an rings.

[00:47:34] So I guess we'll see.

[00:47:35] Well, we know that that plays out in the future as the control of the

[00:47:40] door of an rings goes to Sarah on the future, but yeah that's the moment

[00:47:43] where he just takes them and does a little some kind of mindy tricky spell over the top of

[00:47:49] the surface.

[00:47:50] So that's something you know it's really really kind of well done.

[00:47:55] I had the feeling up until this episode that at the end of episode four

[00:47:59] really when the rings are created for the doors.

[00:48:02] I had this feeling that the first season was the creation of the elvash rings

[00:48:05] this season is the creation of the door of an rings

[00:48:08] and that we'd have this moment at the end of the season almost.

[00:48:10] That there would be very slow about revealing the creation of the

[00:48:13] I know what you mean.

[00:48:14] More of an impact on your power and then maybe the third season would be about

[00:48:18] the creation of the rings for men, you know?

[00:48:21] But I'm glad they didn't hold it back.

[00:48:23] I'm glad that it's moving along as quickly as it is because if we look now we can

[00:48:27] get on with the story and have some moments with the doors using their rings

[00:48:30] of power for this season which is really good.

[00:48:33] So yeah.

[00:48:34] Yeah, they're definitely.

[00:48:35] And that's about the doors and their rings of power.

[00:48:37] No, that's all for me.

[00:48:41] I think we can move on to our fourth tale of middle-end.

[00:48:44] Yes, the eldest.

[00:48:46] Yes, as where we are.

[00:48:47] We are Tom Bomberdale and the Stools.

[00:48:51] Over in the land of Rune.

[00:48:54] And we have some big meetings.

[00:48:56] Tom Bomberdale, a very popular character with Tolkien readers.

[00:49:01] But for fans of Peter Jackson's movies,

[00:49:03] Tom Bomberdale was kind of removed from the story there.

[00:49:06] A lot of headlines were given to either Treebeard or to Gandelf,

[00:49:10] which are like that they handed those back in the episode.

[00:49:13] Yeah, gave some of those lines back to Tom Bomberdale.

[00:49:16] We have the arrival of the stranger who is still looking for

[00:49:20] Nory and Poppy, who we drove away with that stuff that he used

[00:49:23] as the wrong staff that he used last episode.

[00:49:27] And he arrives and sees a tree that has the other version of the staff that was in his dreams.

[00:49:34] Effectively rip the branch off the tree because he thinks that's what we'll get him.

[00:49:37] Yeah, and it looks a lot more like the staff that you would know of as being Gandalf's

[00:49:45] from at these Peter Jackson's movie, but also the description from the book.

[00:49:52] Yeah, no, I really like this.

[00:49:54] It's also the fact that whilst the stranger is looking for Nory and Poppy,

[00:50:00] he comes across Tom Bomberdale because he's looking for the stars,

[00:50:05] that constellation that form above Tom's hill.

[00:50:10] But I like the fact that the realisation for the stranger is that it is Tom Bomberdale,

[00:50:16] who he is supposed to effectively connect with here.

[00:50:23] Tom Bomberdale is kind of...

[00:50:27] He's humming to himself, he's singing himself, he's waxing lyrical,

[00:50:34] he's speaking in riddles.

[00:50:36] And I kind of really enjoyed this how ultimately Tom Bomberdale rescues the stranger from

[00:50:42] the tree that's kind of enveloped him because he was trying to effectively break the tree's branch.

[00:50:49] Yeah, and this is what I was talking about. This is the words that Treebeard used when he tried

[00:50:53] safe Marion Pippin from the enter of the tree,

[00:50:56] the tried to eat them in the order of the ring.

[00:50:58] So the gave those words back to Tom Bomberdale, which it really liked.

[00:51:00] Yeah, no, it was really good. And I mean this is the thing about Tom Bomberdale, you know,

[00:51:07] finisher with the world around him and how it comes to past Tom is the eldest.

[00:51:20] Hereafter he was there for, you know, as he says, the first raindrops.

[00:51:27] That when the desert, he finds himself in was green.

[00:51:32] You know, when it was truly dark, when the weren't that many stars in the sky.

[00:51:37] I like the way he described them as well. It's like one day you're sitting there and there's nothing

[00:51:40] watching over it. And then suddenly this pin-pric sub-life looking down on you all times,

[00:51:45] suddenly they appeared. So there's also a great description of Tom Bomberdale.

[00:51:49] If you look up on Wikipedia, he's Tom Bomberdale. And it's he describes himself as the oldest being.

[00:51:55] It's kind of as if it's an unsubstantiated claim. He says he's been there before everything was

[00:52:00] there. He is the oldest character. He is the eldest as the title of the episode. But I kind of like that

[00:52:05] it's as Tom Bomberdale describes himself as the eldest. But he's this caretaker character.

[00:52:10] Yeah. And I think that's why so many Tolkien fans love this character of Tom Bomberdale.

[00:52:14] Everybody else is involved in the battles and the saving of the world versus Sairong.

[00:52:20] And Tom Bomberdale has been there. Tom Bomberdale has always been there to protect and to save

[00:52:25] the land to save the world effectively in the background. But he's not a fighter. He's not going

[00:52:31] out with his sword into battle. And but we do learn another interesting fact about Tom because

[00:52:39] the strangers come here and he's asking him, can you help me learn your carry?

[00:52:43] He sees the pair of the Tom Bomberdale fans. He asks him to teach him the pair. And he says

[00:52:48] he has trained a wizard before. It's the dark wizard. Yeah, and he says you're not the first

[00:52:53] disstar to arrive that his door. And but he also says he's taught another

[00:53:00] star. What he also says that the stranger is not ready yet to wield that power. Yeah. And

[00:53:09] you know, he comes out with the prophecy and I really kind of enjoyed this. He, you know,

[00:53:16] as you say, he's the curtaker. He, as he describes himself here, I'm a wanderer and not a warrior.

[00:53:22] You know, he's kind of there to look after the world outside of in a sense, the machinations

[00:53:29] of man, but he harnesses a power and skills that in the hands of wizards or the

[00:53:37] isstard or people of great power can be really, really powerful. And I like the fact that

[00:53:46] he knows, you know, whether it's in the water on the wind or you know, there is the, there are

[00:53:53] these two flames. He says the danger of the two flames combining, which is the dark wizard

[00:53:59] that we saw, Karen Heinz, a character and the dark lord of sauron. And we've said that we

[00:54:07] believe that Karen Heinz is playing Sardoman. Yeah. Right. So again, the two flames coming together

[00:54:12] as Sardoman and Sardoman being on the same side against the rest of the world is a really dark

[00:54:17] moment. So I guess that's what he's talking about here. So it'll nod to what we have seen in the future

[00:54:21] with Sardoman and Sardoman. And the stranger kind of then comes to this sort of notion that

[00:54:27] Am I here? Is my, my reason for being here is that it's the task to face sauron. And Tom says no,

[00:54:37] it's to face them both. Like so he has a huge, huge role here. That, um, the stranger to face down

[00:54:46] both of these two flames that are looking to combine into one. So we did get a bit of feedback

[00:54:52] in on our first episode asking us what we're looking forward to at this season and I'm looking

[00:54:56] forward to them revealing the names of the dark wizard and of the stranger because I'm

[00:55:00] sick of Colleem Strager. Yeah, I agree. So I'm hoping that comes soon. And actually on that,

[00:55:05] the other thing, I'm really interested to see the nine rings and the men. Mm-hmm. Yes, absolutely.

[00:55:12] You know, or some kind of understanding of the rath and the ring raths. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

[00:55:19] That I'm really excited for this. And I really hope that they too delve into that. Yeah. So this

[00:55:24] the kings of man who got their their rings of power fell to the power of sauron and became the ring

[00:55:32] raths that again we saw in a bit of backstory in the Lord of the Rings and we saw the ring raths chasing

[00:55:37] down the harbots and the Lord of the Rings. So just in case, they have a connected two things together.

[00:55:41] But that will be really interesting to see. And I hope that's something we see over the course

[00:55:43] of the multiple seasons of the show. There is still a plan for five seasons. Uh,

[00:55:48] prime video confirming this week again that's still an offirership. There's a massive viewership

[00:55:51] while it has falls in fall in from season one. There is massive viewership still and they're

[00:55:55] still committed to their plan of those five seasons. So hopefully by the end of those five seasons we'll

[00:55:59] see the turn to ring raths and it'll be kind of cool. And so definitely before we move off to

[00:56:05] unbumbadil, I do want to say welcome back to tvppi where we can hear a great to see him back

[00:56:11] when we're at favorite actors. He played a brilliant character in Penny's Rath for the first three

[00:56:15] seasons which we covered here and he played this. There's a different kind of kind of Stein. Yes.

[00:56:20] Really? Correct. That's monster. Oh, Frank and Stein's monster? Yeah.

[00:56:23] But he also is in the sequel series as well for Penny's Rathful. So, and so we covered him

[00:56:28] a loss on the podcast. Yeah. Great to have him back here. It's one of those interesting ones

[00:56:31] that lots we've mentioned before. There's these a-holds on the internet that are willing

[00:56:36] to get angry at any posts to do with rings of power because they believe it shouldn't have been

[00:56:41] made at all. And I don't know why. Uh, it's an entertainment show. It's on that's a really entertaining

[00:56:45] show. But interestingly, this week when this episode aired with Tom Bumbledale, I saw so many comments

[00:56:51] going, I hate the show, but Tom Bumbledale's really well-vacitalized as to, as all these people

[00:56:55] who are proclaimed to be the gatekeepers of talking who say they hate the show and then watched

[00:57:01] it went, actually, they've done a really good job here with Tom Bumbledale. Um, one of their final

[00:57:06] thing, a little spoiler from the subtitles. I hope you don't mind me repeating this, but a little

[00:57:11] further from the subtitles. We hear Tom Bumbledale singing and talking with a lady, um,

[00:57:16] and then he refuses to confirm that it's a lady when the stranger asks. Um, it is mentioned

[00:57:21] of the subtitles that that's goldberry his wife. So, um, we will learn who that is. I would say.

[00:57:26] Yes. Uh, I see some going. Absolutely. Yeah. Just a little, a little not an background. Well,

[00:57:30] while the stranger is with Tom Bumbledale, Nory and Poppy are also sort of trying to keep

[00:57:36] low from the, um, from the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

[00:57:44] the, um, uh, I think goldrum is what he's actually known as here when we see him with the dark

[00:57:53] whispers again. Um, and, and, but they bump into, um, a whole new, half-ling race of the stores

[00:58:02] out through Merrimack, uh, who is a member of Guns Village who is the leader of this,

[00:58:09] is Village of stores. Yeah. But have effectively become sedentary, have settled, um,

[00:58:16] in, in a location in an, and in a sense, have, uh, pro-show Hobbit holes and Nory calls them holes.

[00:58:23] Yes. Yes. Interesting. I think it's the little around. I think they, what we learn actually is that

[00:58:28] they wear sedentary and Nory and the harfots are descended from a member of the group, uh, from,

[00:58:36] uh, one of the stores you went to find it even safer place called the Susas. Yeah. And this

[00:58:41] green and pleasant land effectively has it to use, to use it for his, um, they, that they were always

[00:58:48] in a settled location. And I think it adds a bit of sadness to the story of the harfots. Um,

[00:58:54] you know, we saw them, we saw them through it season one. This, this really weird concept of

[00:58:59] the harfots. They always have to be moving. They move on season to season to, uh, better

[00:59:03] climbs everywhere they go, uh, to do a better place everywhere they go. Some places are more dangerous

[00:59:07] than others. But they're always on the move and they're very nomadic. And what we find here from

[00:59:12] the story is that it was actually a member of the stores that went out to find a better location.

[00:59:17] They never found it and they've lost the, uh, connection back to the stores. It's, is, is the name

[00:59:23] room of Burish. Yeah, who didn't find the Susas. Yeah. And after a while just kept wandering, um,

[00:59:31] that link within the harfots and as you say, it's good to continue to wander. Yeah. And, um,

[00:59:38] and room at never returned. I love that gun shows that kind of rock painting that mural

[00:59:44] of their story, their history. Yeah. Really cool. I love that. Um, and just in case you don't remember,

[00:59:51] it was, uh, Saddick Burish, who was played by Lenny Henry and season one. Yes, the descendant of

[00:59:55] rural appers, who left the, uh, the stores. But I just think it adds that sadness to

[01:00:00] it's really, it's really, it's the whole notion of this link that Nory understands that that

[01:00:07] effectively they're descendants or of one another. Yeah. And have a shared history. Yeah.

[01:00:14] And I like the fact that then, um, you know, through this, uh, the leader of the stores, gun does,

[01:00:21] keep Nory and poppy hidden from the, the riders who come looking for them. Um, and, um,

[01:00:29] and you know, the riders threatened, uh, gunned and the harflings, the stores, uh, with what the

[01:00:37] dark wizard will do to them. Um, if, you know, they find out that they're hiding them, um,

[01:00:44] or not telling them where they are. I love that they say, you know, this is why we wear our masks.

[01:00:49] You'll soon know why we do if the dark wizard needs to come and effectively, you know, stamp his

[01:00:57] authority here. Um, so I like that ultimately, you know, there is this kind of, you know, it's

[01:01:03] almost like the family bonds, uh, the loyalty, uh, becomes, uh, far too great for gunned and

[01:01:11] the other stores. So they protect Nory and poppy and don't give them away. Yeah. And do you

[01:01:18] think, uh, because I get, I guess this is what they're leading to? The susas, the, the settled place

[01:01:24] of the real unpleasant land as I said, that's harbison, right? I'm guessing so. Because we,

[01:01:30] we don't see very many other harbits in the world of Lord of the Rings later on. There's some,

[01:01:35] uh, some water harbits, there's some land harbits and there's the harbits that live in harbison.

[01:01:39] But we don't see very many more of the harbits, we certainly don't see the harbits and we

[01:01:43] don't see the stores up into Lord of the Rings. So I would guess that eventually they do find

[01:01:48] the place that is harbison. I'm guessing when they say it's green, uh, unpleasant land. I think

[01:01:54] they say ideal for holes and so on. That is harbison. Must be because it was a beautiful place

[01:02:01] before. Um, Saraman came in and burnt at the harbison. Oh, the division in the movies, of course.

[01:02:07] Anyway, anything else about Tom Bumbleville and the Sturus jump that you want to talk about? No,

[01:02:12] not for me. Just one of the tiny thing you mentioned there about the Dark Wizard, um, and

[01:02:17] the, uh, the, uh, the hunters that are going after the, uh, Nory and Poppy interestingly when

[01:02:22] the hunters went back. They said they lost a couple of people, uh, in that, in that explosion,

[01:02:27] I guess from the strangers, um, wound and the Dark Wizard says he's going to take this on there.

[01:02:33] He's going to take on the stranger while they go after Nory and Poppy. So, um, so I wonder,

[01:02:38] since the stranger doesn't know his name, and we have a very powerful Dark Wizard here.

[01:02:45] Will the Dark Wizard who we suspect is Saraman will he meet up with the stranger and

[01:02:49] give him his name back, give him Gandalf. Will he,

[01:02:54] join up with them in some way and hide the Dark side of himself because the two of them were friends

[01:03:00] for Malenia. Yeah, absolutely, you know, until the turning of Saraman to, uh, to the side of

[01:03:07] Sarah on in the future. So I wonder Will the Dark Wizard hide his true purpose and meet up with

[01:03:13] the stranger and the two of the meat as Saraman Gandalf? He could do, but you kind of do get the feeling

[01:03:21] in a sense, at least to begin with Tom Bombadil has indicated that, um, to the stranger,

[01:03:31] that he's here to fight them both. Yeah, true. So like that it will make the stranger immediately suspicious

[01:03:38] of the Dark Wizard and given what Tom Bombadil says. Yeah. Yep. But I guess, you know that.

[01:03:45] You never know how it's going to play out. And Parasov season one was he didn't know

[01:03:49] that he was good about. He didn't know what is, uh, what his, uh, purpose was going to be. So it'll be

[01:03:54] interesting to see when the two of the meat will put. Yeah, but yes, I just wanted to mention

[01:03:57] the Dark Wizard is now the one on the trail himself. It's like if you guys can't do it,

[01:04:02] I'll just do it myself basically. So we'll go on to our final tale of Middle Earth, John.

[01:04:07] Tale number five because we haven't mentioned them at all. The elves are trying to get to a

[01:04:12] regular and really like this, you know, the opening of us with the leadership of Elrond and

[01:04:17] Elrond. But Elrond, not taking it at all from Elrond. He is still so angry at her for convincing

[01:04:26] Gilgilead to keep the rings. Um, so he's kind of going, look, there's no joking here. You find

[01:04:32] the people that need to go where you don't go at all. Um, and you don't use your ring of parer to guide us

[01:04:37] at all basically. That's, that's the deal that he has. You go home or you follow my instructions

[01:04:43] to the latter effectively. So so while the two of the known each other a long time and they are friends

[01:04:48] for a long time, he's very aggressive with her. He's very much, um, you may have gotten your

[01:04:53] way, but I'm winning the war here. Well, yeah, I like this, you know, um, because we see here at,

[01:05:00] you know, that they've gone out and plotted a course, uh, a raggy on him, but that at the first moment,

[01:05:06] the main bridge to get there has been destroyed by, uh, seemingly by lightning, um, and

[01:05:13] lateral gets a vision, you know, of evil in the hills when they realize that they need to take

[01:05:17] another route that's going to take or add an additional two weeks on to their journey to get to

[01:05:25] and Kalen Brimbo in the city of Rekio. Yes, if they go north, it's two weeks, actually, if they go

[01:05:31] safe, they have to go through the forest. Yes, yeah. Um, and I love that Elon says I won't take advice

[01:05:37] from that drink and to her, um, and decides that, you know, they will go through the hills.

[01:05:45] Even though it's pretty certain that there's a trap set by Sauron or at least a danger of

[01:05:51] the that has been, um, sort of, uh, a woken and I love the fact that when they arrive at the

[01:06:07] stairs and probably butchering that conversation, but I thought the barrowites here were just fantastic.

[01:06:16] Yeah. I definitely say put on the closed captions as well because it says a voice on the wind

[01:06:22] and you just get this kind of, as you hear, the whisper of the wind and you get text like I'm

[01:06:29] using for you and you get the the poem or the chant of these barrowites around cold,

[01:06:36] behind and heart be bone and cold be sleep under stone. Oh, I'm very good. All this and there's

[01:06:43] more of that is really, really good. Yeah. And I just absolutely loved this, uh, the barrowites,

[01:06:51] these are the old kings and lords of men, um, who have, um, have been laid to rest. And you just

[01:07:01] get what I think one of, um, the the the the the the the troop of elves says that there is no rest here

[01:07:09] and even the trees seem on at ease and you get these eyes in the darkness. So, um, as they come out

[01:07:16] to and and can't be killed with the elven sources only through, um, the the weapons of the sword

[01:07:24] or whatever has been buried with them can return and to rest. But they do lose one of the elves to

[01:07:32] and the these kind of, um, it's kind of almost like funeral mounts. There's a bit like it reminded

[01:07:39] me of the sort of funeral mounts that you saw fading king's son being buried in. Yeah. And

[01:07:48] that it was something that I think was kind of remnants of that but were that the entrance had opened

[01:07:54] and it was just as darkness, you see anything into it and you just get these these lights,

[01:08:00] these eyes in the darkness coming out. I just thought it was visualized so, so well. Yeah. And I absolutely

[01:08:08] loved this whole little sequence and just from the creepiness of them coming out of their funeral

[01:08:16] mounts to then the fight that takes place, um, the realization that the elven weaponry is not going

[01:08:23] to do anything to stop them. I love the fact that they kind of almost like had almost like butcher hooks

[01:08:28] on chains that they'd used to sort of get and trying to sort of hook the elves and drag them

[01:08:37] into the funeral mounts. Very little really, really creepy. I love this. It really wants that to

[01:08:42] hit the horror really well this season. Season 2 is getting lots and lots of praise for, um,

[01:08:47] for its style choices. And I think a lot of that may be down to Charlotte Browns from, uh, who's

[01:08:52] directed three of the episodes so far and co-directed some of the episodes and we'll direct more

[01:08:56] as the season goes on. Peter Jackson gets loads of credit before his horror side in Lord of the Rings.

[01:09:03] And he comes from directing horror movies so I definitely want to see what Charlotte Browns from

[01:09:07] does with a full-on horror movie if this is her stuff. Well, that's just a bunch of things that she's

[01:09:12] making for these scenes because as you say just those pinpoints of lights that are coming out of the

[01:09:16] darkness that feels like something out of a where wolf movie or something. Yeah absolutely really cool.

[01:09:21] But also when they do get away from the barrel whites, um, they accidentally come across

[01:09:28] at Ars Army who are marching for a, a regular. Um, so what we learned from Sauron's discussion with

[01:09:35] other was Sauron was going to go ahead and find age, uh, I'm sorry, under the disguise of

[01:09:40] course of how brand he was going to go ahead and find out where Sauron is. That was the guys

[01:09:48] that he made for a dar. But actually that Ars is taking his army to a region and because he believes

[01:09:54] Sauron is there. He is right, but he doesn't know he's right. I can see things how brands

[01:09:58] is finding out where Sauron is, but it actually had Sauron and Grasp. And but the accidentally

[01:10:04] find the elves and I don't know why I felt really sad all of a sudden when you see their, the, the,

[01:10:12] orcs are chasing down or hunting effectively and they loosen arrow that hits one of the elves

[01:10:18] in L. R. Um, company. And I felt really sad because it's this thing about elves that they last

[01:10:24] so long and they don't see death very often and you see one of the elves that seems to be dying

[01:10:29] from his wound and all of a sudden I was going, and he has to die in silence and nobody can

[01:10:34] mourn him because if they mourn him, if anybody shouts, say, is about the fact that he's just

[01:10:39] hit by an arrow, they may be fanged by the orcs. So I was going, oh that's really sad that poor

[01:10:44] elf that's there he just went and on this trip to Erragia and there he is going to die. But

[01:10:50] we see the power of Galadriel's ring. Yeah, he's a fact to heal and yeah, no it's really good.

[01:10:58] And then, um, Galagio seems to sort of make a sacrificial choice here and says, take the ring go,

[01:11:06] go and warn, Gil Galads. You know, that the orcs are marching on Erragia and that sour on

[01:11:12] is more than likely at Erragia on as well. And that is because you know, they find the dispatches

[01:11:19] from the, that were killed. There is the baroites that had taken down those elf and dispatches.

[01:11:27] So they never made it to Kalimbrimbo. Um, but um, I think the orcs are took them down

[01:11:32] but they left the dragon them off and put them in the barrel at once. Or maybe maybe.

[01:11:36] Um, but I'm taking it as it was the awakening of the baroites for that purpose to be honest.

[01:11:45] Okay. I just think that's cooler. Um, what we do everything else. I think the baroites really,

[01:11:50] you know, give them some agency to kill a few elves on behalf of Sauron. And I just,

[01:11:57] I like that that, you know, so she goes in kicks ass. I love, you know, she's such a badass.

[01:12:03] Are they going in more for some sort of attacking the orcs? And I definitely, I definitely

[01:12:08] had this written in my notes as Elrond go and we need to run away. I'm glad you're going. You

[01:12:13] think we can't take on the orcs. I hope my ring. I'm gone. Basically. So it's kind of like a

[01:12:18] whole might be your moment for a glad you're because she is a warrior and she also, she keeps them at

[01:12:23] Elrond and the rest of that squad go to London to warn Gill. Go out. But I like that, you know,

[01:12:30] you hear one of that troops saying to Elrond, she knows she's sacrificed herself

[01:12:36] in order to save ors and protect us so that we can give this news to build a glad. And Elrond's

[01:12:42] like no. Um, she did it to save and protect the ring. Yeah. So she's going to wait with anything.

[01:12:48] I know.

[01:12:49] I know.

[01:12:51] And I love sort of at the end as well where Adar is able to, in a sense counter her ferocity.

[01:12:59] I thought that was really cool.

[01:13:01] So I'm really interested to see what happens in the next episode.

[01:13:07] Absolutely because of Switch here, back in season one it was Adara that was captured by

[01:13:11] a Galadriel and questioned by her.

[01:13:13] Yes.

[01:13:14] And now we're seeing it the other way around.

[01:13:15] Exactly.

[01:13:15] That's a capturing Galadriel.

[01:13:17] So, interestingly, you see that I'll play it in the next episode.

[01:13:21] I think that's our Tales of Middle-earth for this episode.

[01:13:23] These two episodes.

[01:13:25] I've just got a couple of quick notes.

[01:13:27] I just wanted to mention the soundtrack for the show.

[01:13:29] The first couple of episodes is available now on Spotify from Bear McCreeory.

[01:13:33] His music.

[01:13:34] But it includes some of the songs that are on here.

[01:13:36] This is the episode four closes out with a roofless Wayne Rice doing Tom Bumbidil's song,

[01:13:41] which has been stuck in my head all week.

[01:13:43] I love it.

[01:13:43] They're really good.

[01:13:44] But it's just been overdue over my head.

[01:13:48] So always good if you have a character like that, you can write a song that will stick

[01:13:51] in people's heads.

[01:13:52] But it also has D.C. Dwarf-Meton Singers sung performed by Sophia Namves as well.

[01:13:59] And I didn't recognize it in the show itself.

[01:14:01] I thought it hired another singer, both Gil Galad's song is actually performed by Benjamin

[01:14:06] Walker and he's got a great voice.

[01:14:07] I thought they hired somebody else to do that.

[01:14:10] I'll take my comment.

[01:14:11] I'm not being able to say Elvis as well as as Borchard Clark, he is a great singer.

[01:14:18] So I really like that.

[01:14:19] So how does it look at the soundtrack?

[01:14:20] It's well worth the same too.

[01:14:22] There's some great stuff in there.

[01:14:23] He's taken Bermacreeory's really accomplished composer.

[01:14:27] He's done so many shows from walking dead ages of shield.

[01:14:29] Loads of loads of shows.

[01:14:31] But here he's doing so much work.

[01:14:34] That's about two hours of music there just from the first couple of episodes of the show.

[01:14:38] So go listen to that if you want something in your background.

[01:14:42] Other than our podcast.

[01:14:45] Excellent.

[01:14:46] The final thing I just wanted to mention, we should have mentioned earlier on.

[01:14:49] But just about Brown when the character has been written out of the series, there is

[01:14:52] a reason for that.

[01:14:53] She wasn't supposed to watch it was to be returning but now's the name Bernayandai who played

[01:14:58] the character in season one has decided to return to Iran to pursue fighting for women's

[01:15:03] rights over there.

[01:15:03] A very worthy cause and totally understandable why she would leave an acting job to go

[01:15:08] back and pursue something bigger than that.

[01:15:10] So they were left with the choice of either to write a rate or recaster and they chose

[01:15:15] to write a rate and make it have a big impact on Theo and Iran dear in the second season.

[01:15:21] So that's why we have that big moment.

[01:15:23] I suppose the big farewell to Brownman in the first episode, even though the character died

[01:15:27] off screen.

[01:15:29] Yeah, excellent stuff.

[01:15:31] Okay Derek, what do you think of episode three and four of the Lord of the Rings?

[01:15:36] What are the rings of power?

[01:15:39] Just absolutely love this bringing in, thinking characters like the Ens and giving a

[01:15:45] different view of them having Tom Bombadil in here.

[01:15:48] You know, adding a little more sadness to the stories of the harfots through this tale

[01:15:54] of the stories and what happened with them, the meeting of Noryan and Poppy and the stories

[01:15:58] that felt that was really interesting.

[01:16:00] Loved the battle with the Barrow White, it was cool.

[01:16:03] Having around here on the seat of the war back on screen to great characters from season

[01:16:08] one back together in season two and Theo as well.

[01:16:11] All great characters seen them all back on the show really good and yes, we finally have

[01:16:15] the creation of the dwarven rings of power now in the second season.

[01:16:19] So another big moment for the season happening here in episode three and four.

[01:16:25] So really enjoying this show.

[01:16:26] I think they're nailing us in the second season.

[01:16:30] Excellent.

[01:16:30] Excellent.

[01:16:30] So it's up to you.

[01:16:31] Well, for episode three, the eagle and the sepsa, I really enjoyed it.

[01:16:37] Give it four and a half winning and chopping barracks.

[01:16:43] I was super fives.

[01:16:44] I just really glad to see new men all back because obviously I haven't seen them in the

[01:16:51] first two episodes.

[01:16:52] The machinations we were great.

[01:16:53] Yeah, really good.

[01:16:54] Love the whole sort of enticing entreatment or of effectively the dwarves into Anatols

[01:17:04] or Sauron's plan.

[01:17:06] I just really good as I say that sort of breaking of the fourth wall almost really cool

[01:17:11] and just I think the visual of Anatataut really good, you know, as a angelic, elvic, elvish,

[01:17:19] pure, you know, almost that pure elveness and the blonde hair, everything but with that

[01:17:27] kind of corruption in the eyes.

[01:17:31] Really well done in terms of just how that makeup is done, but also in terms of that being

[01:17:39] portrayed by Charlie Vicke.

[01:17:40] So he's really really good, yeah.

[01:17:43] Yeah, definitely.

[01:17:44] And then for episode four, Elvist, I'll give this five mood monsters out of five.

[01:17:48] Loved again, seeing the continuation of Arondia and Theo and Sealdals story and meeting

[01:17:56] the two ends and you know, Arondia asking them for forgiveness all that whole side

[01:18:02] of it really good.

[01:18:03] This to me was my favorite part of the stranger and Nory and Poppy.

[01:18:07] I think both the stranger with Todd Bomberdale absolutely exceptional, but also Nory and Poppy

[01:18:13] with the stores and with Mary Mac and a good in their village and learning of that

[01:18:20] should ancestry effectively really, really cool.

[01:18:24] But Barrowites absolutely great.

[01:18:28] Loved just how they were brought to life, don't I say it?

[01:18:34] And so that continuing friction between Elrond and Galatriel as they try to get

[01:18:42] the way to a regular.

[01:18:44] And so yeah, absolutely loved these two episodes and cannot wait for episode five and six.

[01:18:52] Yeah, and episode five we get to watch almost straight away after recording this podcast.

[01:18:55] I know.

[01:18:56] It's great.

[01:18:56] Look forward to that.

[01:18:57] Well, almost caught up as it is.

[01:18:59] So we may still do two episodes next week, next time, five and six and then catch up on the last

[01:19:06] one weekly because I'm not sure whether we're going to get ready to recording episode five

[01:19:10] before episode six comes out later on this week, but we'll see.

[01:19:13] Yeah, we'll have to see and it's also you know fellow ringers.

[01:19:17] We are also coming up to another two shows that will be hovering as well in terms of

[01:19:23] Marvel's Agatha all along and HBO's the Penguin.

[01:19:28] Yes, yes, it's been off from our back.

[01:19:29] Gotham TV podcast will return.

[01:19:31] It will be because it's because of the 10th anniversary genre.

[01:19:34] We have to do something like this.

[01:19:35] We have to bring back Gotham TV podcast for the last Shakespeare for the same episode, Penguin TV show.

[01:19:40] Look forward to that.

[01:19:41] Great stuff.

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[01:19:56] We'll start off with a piece of email feedback in from Coffee and Vodka on episode three.

[01:20:00] He says Greece is fellow ring rendering defenders.

[01:20:02] So much to catch up on.

[01:20:04] I'd all but forgotten about the snake pit that is new manure.

[01:20:06] The return of the seal door and mysterious femme fatale and

[01:20:10] ends is this?

[01:20:11] Oh, I was following this time around.

[01:20:13] Was the father in son reunion and the rescuing of the best horsey ever?

[01:20:17] And it looks like rings all around.

[01:20:19] You get a ring and you get a ring.

[01:20:21] Finally, Barric in Turkish means abundance.

[01:20:24] Excellent.

[01:20:25] Interesting.

[01:20:26] At 4.5 egg layers, legendary bowls and happy endings,

[01:20:31] out of five,

[01:20:32] peace and take care of Coffee and Vodka.

[01:20:34] Excellent stuff. Thanks Coffee and Vodka.

[01:20:37] And thank you for the Turkish meaning of Barric abundance.

[01:20:40] Because certainly Barric is very abundant in his loyalty

[01:20:44] and like good old horsey.

[01:20:47] He certainly is a little chuffing Barric.

[01:20:50] Yeah, for sure.

[01:20:52] And yes, you're alright.

[01:20:55] It was certainly ends that disrupted that wildman camp.

[01:21:00] And that was holding said lovely horsey barric.

[01:21:05] Yes, that would be the cliffhanger at the end of episode three.

[01:21:07] Very quickly, very very nice episode four.

[01:21:09] Yeah, thanks so much Coffee and Vodka.

[01:21:11] Absolutely.

[01:21:11] Over on Facebook on episode three we have Dr. Bob Phillips who says,

[01:21:16] this scary zombie ork in the dark forest made me squeak.

[01:21:20] I'll have to watch with the lights on if it's going to be this right now.

[01:21:23] Or the highlights from this episode include the return of

[01:21:26] Around here the second most attractive elf after gladrial.

[01:21:30] The teas of the ends I'm assuming and the pure fantasy that goes to

[01:21:34] Swimming Stabbed with a rusty blade,

[01:21:36] wandering through a murky forest to being stitched with a thorn

[01:21:39] and having only the mildest limp not ranging

[01:21:43] sunny lighters and a touch of sepsis.

[01:21:46] In tea. Thank you so much Dr. Bob.

[01:21:48] Yes, what is wrong with wounds in a modern TV and film?

[01:21:54] We don't have potions and magic.

[01:21:58] Good job, we didn't pull this back otherwise it would be like me out for like

[01:22:02] a single week.

[01:22:05] So I think you're right. The rusty blade,

[01:22:09] leading to nothing but the mildest of lymphs.

[01:22:12] It's the purview of fantasy in this here.

[01:22:14] Yeah, it is and you're right. It is the ends that are attacking the wildmen

[01:22:20] and kidnapping them. The other thing as well,

[01:22:24] I just when you mentioned about the scary zombie or in the spiders layer,

[01:22:31] I think it also just reminded me that we do see a dara here with a troll.

[01:22:37] A troll arrives.

[01:22:39] That's right, yeah.

[01:22:40] And asks where is Sauron?

[01:22:42] Yes.

[01:22:42] So presumably to join forces with a dara maybe.

[01:22:46] Interesting, yeah because I know in Lord of the Rings they mentioned that Sauron

[01:22:49] has been joined by the trolls as well. So the trolls at the moment seem pretty annoyed at

[01:22:55] Sauron potentially because of what Morkafters asked her in the past, I guess.

[01:22:59] And you've reminded me, John, we didn't even mention that we also saw

[01:23:03] or quives and or children.

[01:23:05] We did indeed, yes.

[01:23:07] And look and entwives as well.

[01:23:10] So all of the rending of all of these creatures and

[01:23:15] Orcs has been a really interesting discussion over the years.

[01:23:19] Gerrit Alkenman back and forth on the creation of the Orcs,

[01:23:22] whether they were corrupted elves that became orcs or whether they were bored

[01:23:26] and had families and grew up into being orcs.

[01:23:30] So it seems here they're taking aside.

[01:23:33] They're choosing a side that has Orcs having male and female and having children.

[01:23:39] So that seems to be their choice with the show here.

[01:23:41] So I guess you have to at some point if you're going to explore

[01:23:44] this universe, you have to make a decision on where the other is.

[01:23:48] So they've decided here.

[01:23:49] But I think it makes sense with a doll's claim that they have their freedom.

[01:23:53] Yeah, because otherwise what do they do?

[01:23:55] Exactly.

[01:23:56] You know?

[01:23:57] And there has to be something that they do outside of just warfare which is seemingly why

[01:24:01] they wanted to fight Sauron that they didn't just simply want to be tools of war

[01:24:06] as we do see with its glug, I think.

[01:24:10] I look, oh, yeah.

[01:24:11] You know, he's kind of questioning a doll as they set off to a regular.

[01:24:18] They don't want any more suffering basically.

[01:24:20] No, exactly.

[01:24:21] So yeah, I think that's it seems consistent to me at this time at this moment.

[01:24:28] And that's the other thing.

[01:24:29] You know, there's thousands of years between the two so things can absolutely change

[01:24:33] because of events, you know?

[01:24:36] And so yeah, it's really good.

[01:24:37] Yeah, great stuff to have to up.

[01:24:38] We also got feedback in from both of them on the upset for our coffee and vodka sentence email.

[01:24:42] On upset for us saying greetings fellow forefending defenders.

[01:24:46] Season one was majestic but season two not having to carry the weight of introduction

[01:24:49] is so much better.

[01:24:51] The star at this time ran wasn't a large real or the end split roofless

[01:24:54] Wayne Reich been listening to Old Tom Lombardil on repeat.

[01:24:57] The perfect cell cell to remove baby shark from umbrella, cazabi.

[01:25:03] The episode flowed like a toking river in chantig one moment with Nory in the stores.

[01:25:07] Her rific the next way they'll round at the baritane whites looking forward to all eight

[01:25:11] entries being out so that can be taken in a single viewing.

[01:25:14] It's too bad Chris won't be joining you this time around.

[01:25:16] I'd loved to hear a dilt's tradition of the spirit of gondor.

[01:25:19] No, you wouldn't.

[01:25:20] I don't think that's a good question.

[01:25:22] Yeah, maybe just straight on the the fire for burning.

[01:25:26] Chris would absolutely ruin any rendition of any of the songs from this.

[01:25:29] But yeah, the version that Rufus Wayne Reich does of Old Tom Lombardil is fantastic really,

[01:25:34] really like that song and low-fist treatment.

[01:25:37] That was such a great singer.

[01:25:38] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:25:39] Yeah, out of course his ratings for the episodes are five broken bridges,

[01:25:43] higher flush, meat, keats and swamp things as a five piece and take care of coffee and vodka.

[01:25:47] Excellent stuff.

[01:25:48] Coffee and vodka.

[01:25:49] Yes, I do get your point around the the south to remove baby shark.

[01:25:55] That was in the umbrella academy.

[01:25:57] Oh, it was driving me insane.

[01:25:59] No, absolutely.

[01:26:01] And it's yeah, I mean, I think it's it's so good this episode.

[01:26:06] Yeah, totally with you on your racing.

[01:26:09] I just think, you know, for me, the so much going on here with Nory,

[01:26:16] the stores, Tom Bombardil, Barrowites, El Ronding,

[01:26:19] Geladriel, all of that really, really good.

[01:26:24] Yeah, thanks so much.

[01:26:25] Absolutely, thanks, coffee and vodka.

[01:26:26] And finally, Dr. Bob Phillips, of course, has his thoughts on episode four as well.

[01:26:30] Yes, everyone Facebook he says the commander of the Northern Army is back.

[01:26:35] Looking at the back bend sword of voiding horse born moves, maybe wonder if actually this

[01:26:40] was what John was emulating when this is packed by it.

[01:26:43] I only wish, no, it was picking up my cast.

[01:26:47] Um, nothing quite as heroic or daring or as I guess possibly skillful.

[01:26:54] Absolutely, something like that.

[01:26:56] We didn't think was possible to to break your back picking up the bloody cast with

[01:27:00] boss.

[01:27:01] Well, at least it's heavier than the first time I did it, which was a bowl of cereal.

[01:27:05] That's right.

[01:27:05] Even less heavy than the cast.

[01:27:08] Anyway, less of my back, Dr. Bob Phillips continues with nice to see that the younger

[01:27:13] ends of the second age move more like teenagers than the oxygenarians of the films

[01:27:18] and the mix of languages being spoken by elves reminds me strongly

[01:27:23] of the way second generation kids speak with their grand back.

[01:27:27] Thanks for your good stuff.

[01:27:29] Very good.

[01:27:29] Thank you so much, Dr. Bob Phillips with a feedback.

[01:27:32] Really please, you're enjoying the show so far.

[01:27:36] Absolutely, absolutely.

[01:27:37] Thanks, Dr. Bob.

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[01:27:51] That's it, I think for this week.

[01:27:53] Yes, we will be back next week with at certainly episode five,

[01:27:58] halls of stone and more than likely combined with episode six as well.

[01:28:04] Absolutely, yes, we'll see how that goes but we'll definitely have episode five.

[01:28:08] Yes, looking forward to getting into the halls of stone, I guess that's kind of a

[01:28:12] cousin Doom.

[01:28:13] Indeed, and just to reference coffee and vodka's baby shock, do do do do do do.

[01:28:19] We are also fellow ringers covering the final season of on-briller Academy,

[01:28:25] all the episodes are out for that final season coverage by ourselves on TV podcast

[01:28:30] industries with our other host Chris.

[01:28:35] And as I said just earlier, we will be coming up to cover Marvel's Agatha all along.

[01:28:44] Yeah, it's like it's going to be a lot of fun.

[01:28:45] It just actually, and it is a musical so just like having

[01:28:48] with the Swain Rice doing a Tom Bumma Dylan here, we're going to have lots of stage stars

[01:28:53] singing throughout that series.

[01:28:54] I'm really looking forward to it.

[01:28:55] And I hope you'll go full on.

[01:28:57] Yeah, it should be really good.

[01:28:58] And of course, we will be delving into the dark world of Gotham with the penguin.

[01:29:05] Yes, crime-capere.

[01:29:06] So yeah, lots of different shows as I always into the podcast industry.

[01:29:09] You can get access to all of those over on TV podcast industries.com where we have one

[01:29:13] feed that rules the ball and that contains everything we've done and also feeds for every other

[01:29:18] set prickly as well.

[01:29:20] So whatever way you want to listen to, so you get them over on the website there.

[01:29:22] Thanks so much for joining us.

[01:29:23] Talk to you again next time.

[01:29:24] Yes, thank you so much, fellow wringers for joining us as always until the next time in

[01:29:31] Middle Earth.

[01:29:32] Keep watching.

[01:29:32] Keep listening and of course don't stray too far from the path otherwise those

[01:29:37] baroites may come and get ya.

[01:29:39] Mm-hmm.

[01:29:40] Bye.

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[01:30:02] Thank you.