The Boys Podcast Season 4 Episode 2

[00:00:00] This is the boys podcast on TV Podcast Industries and we're here to discuss season four episode two, Life Among the Septics. I'm here to share the truth. Nothing but what are you selling?

[00:00:15] Did I stutter? Purpose. I sell purpose. These people got nothing. Maybe they lost a job or a house or kind of oxy. Opticians don't give a shit. Mainstream media tells them to be ashamed

[00:00:34] of their skin color. So I want to bring them together, tell them a story and the purpose. Which would you rather believe that you belong to a community of warriors, a bad one, a secret evil or that you're a lonely inconsequential nobody that no one will ever remember?

[00:01:14] Welcome back fellow boys and girls to the boys podcast on TV Podcast Industries. We are here with episode two, Life Among the Septics. I am one of your postulating wounds, John. I am one of your other hosts, Derek. And rounding out this truth con seeking

[00:01:37] truth there. I am Chris. No affiliation to Firecracker by the way. Yeah, let's hope that. Let's hope that. Absolutely. We like all different perspectives of this podcast, Chris, but maybe not. Oh really? Chemtrails? Have you heard about Chemtrails? I can tell you about Chemtrails.

[00:01:52] Great stuff. Yeah, we were cracking on with our recordings for the first three episodes of The Boys Season Four. We jump straight into our discussion about the second episode of Season Four. Just a reminder though, before we do, we will have our second pub quiz question coming

[00:02:08] up later on in the episode. And we do want to hear your thoughts about the show. So please keep emailing us into feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com with your thoughts as you go along through the first three episodes of The Boys. Yes, indeed. Derek, who gave us what

[00:02:22] were when and why and how? Well, the showrunner for the show is Eric Krivke. This is of course based on the comic book series by Garth Ennis and Derek Robertson. The executive producers

[00:02:33] for the show are Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. And this episode was written by Jessica Chow, who wrote Herogasm, the epic episode in Season Three, Episode Six, and also wrote the Tech Night episode of Gen V. So she definitely gets the interesting introductions of extreme

[00:02:53] characters and situations, doesn't she? Well, you can certainly spot Jessica's writing style. She does like an interesting conga, let's just say that. Exactly. I feel like Eric Krivke writes the outline and passes it over and goes, this one's Jessica, you fill out the details.

[00:03:11] She definitely has a perchance for a particular kind of donut style orifice. I guess so, but great to have her back for this episode again. Yeah, absolutely. Almost like a reverse daisy chain, I guess. Kind of like that. But this episode was directed by Karen

[00:03:32] Gaviola. This is the first of two episodes she's directing for this season. And she also directed two episodes of Shadow and Bone, interestingly, John. Excellent stuff. Love that show. Great show. Great show. Unfortunately cancelled. Unfortunately so. Yeah, that's

[00:03:45] Netflix two seasons and end of your show. On a cliffhanger, of course. Absolutely. Well done, Netflix. You keep destroying the model. Absolutely. I'm sure there are books to read. Go back and read the books. I'm sure that's how Netflix deal with that stuff. Anyway,

[00:04:00] John, do you want to give us this synopsis for the second episode of Boys Season Four, Life Among the Septics? Reading? Sure. The Boys follows Sage to the conspiracy theory convention Truth Calm to find out why she's

[00:04:18] meeting with a bombastic soup named Firecracker who has a vendetta against Starlight. Meanwhile, Ryan gets his first public but Sage to save, stopping some bank robbers, but it goes tragically off script when Homelander shows up to take the spotlight from his son.

[00:04:36] Hughie is furious when he learns that his mother has power of attorney over his father, awakening painful memories of the day she abandoned him. And he reluctantly steps back into the role of Starlight to give hope to her supporters in the wake of Homelander's

[00:04:52] acquittal. And after Butcher finally reveals his terminal prognosis to the boys, Mother's Milk fires him from the team for keeping it secret for so long, fed up with Butcher's lies. Yeah, Mother's Milk. He's really harsh on him. I mean, I get it, but he is harsh.

[00:05:14] And he also looks a little different without his beard. Do you know what took us watching the first three episodes going, what is it? He hasn't recast him. That's definitely Lazlo Anzo. There's something different about him.

[00:05:25] It was the beard. It's the beard. He shaved his beard. He's down to just a mustache and the tiny little bit of a goji. I think he looks so different. He just looks really different. Yeah, I'm not particularly a huge fan of beards in general. Yeah, Chris.

[00:05:41] Except for Chris. I've said this before, Chris. You're aware of it. How many years till I have to learn this? I don't know. I don't know how you've never taken my subtle hints on all the gifts I've bought you of razors over the years.

[00:05:55] Razors, shaving foam, holding me down. He also lost a load of weight. I remember the actor lost a load. I wouldn't call it weight. If you want to call it, he bulked down. He wasn't like that kind of- He cut. He went on the cut.

[00:06:14] That's better. That's the more gym focused approach of he just lost weight. He lost his muscle mass. Very good. Okay. You can definitely see it, but he's still like an imposing figure. Absolutely. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Let's get into our boys moments for the episode,

[00:06:33] the protagonist moments for the episode. Oi oi. Who wants to take this one off first, guys? Yeah, I'll take the boys off first with my protagonist moment. It's kind of just following on around Frenchy's crush on Colin, but also ultimately Frenchy has a secret and

[00:06:56] this isn't just Colin. We learn here that Frenchy was actually responsible for the death of Colin's whole family. So he's certainly never going to be able to meet his parents, Colin's parents. Well, he did already, I suppose.

[00:07:13] Well, he did already, but he also murdered them. But also, Colin doesn't know this and in some ways it explains the reasons for, in a sense, his kind of standoffish sort of way at which he

[00:07:31] is dealing with Colin. So I mean, he's happy to go in for a good old snog and to bed him, but then doesn't want to hang around, you know? So there's an awkwardness, or guilt, I should say,

[00:07:45] that Frenchy is playing out at the moment in secret. And Colin, I suspect doesn't know. I don't think this is kind of a plant where he's going to be, he will have known about it and is doing his own thing. This is definitely something that

[00:08:03] is going to be probably pretty bad. I mean, even the fact that I guess it was, you know, as when he was a spy from back in the day when he was Serge, you know, and effectively a spy contract killer.

[00:08:18] And working with Cherie who held his chain as we heard her talk about it last season and set him on whoever she wanted dead, now coming back to bite him. That's pretty bad. That's a pretty bad situation. We did see that the way the Frenchy mess Colin,

[00:08:36] just because of the really awkward introduction where he's talking to Starlight last episode when we see the two of them meet each other. He's talking to Starlight and he's like,

[00:08:45] I knew we'd get on well from the first time I met you in group. And Colin kind of walks away going, which is supposed to be an anonymous group. Now you've just told my boss that I'm a junkie. Thanks very much for that. Or was.

[00:08:57] Was a junkie. Yes. Yes. Narcotics anonymous. Yeah. This is a big weight to hang on the shoulders of a Frenchy for this season. He's he's a pretty tender guy as we found out throughout his relationship with Kamiko over

[00:09:10] the last couple of seasons. So it's going to really eat him up inside what he's done to Colin and how he can maybe overcome that in some way. Oh, definitely. Yeah. They really do give Frenchy the worst love life storylines. Yeah.

[00:09:26] Like from Sherry, from his, call it Menage-a-Trois groups back in the day of the early seasons to his love, mourn, lost sisterly, no sisterly love with Kamiko. There's definitely just this weird, he just doesn't, he, we, oh sorry, should even say like you said with Sherry,

[00:09:58] we also saw that like he also had these other raison d'etres with kind of crazies, Russians, everything. So his love life has never been great. Yeah. You did feel that he was turning a corner in the last season. So I feel that this

[00:10:18] is only going to set him up for destruction throughout the season. Absolutely. Really just kind of giving him the worst of the worst and giving him his own death wish, if you will. Well, yeah, he's certainly never been very good at reconciling with his own past,

[00:10:37] you know, what he's done in the past. So now having so closely connected now that he's met back up with Colin. Yeah, so it's an interesting explanation for why he put down

[00:10:50] the photo frame after waking up next to Colin with the photo frame that had him beside his family. So now finding out that Frenchie's murdered them and that's a very difficult conversation to have over Thanksgiving. Oh, definitely.

[00:11:03] And actually speaking of Kamiko, I do want to bring up her this season or this last episode and kind of the episode of two. Seeing we've seen her now in therapy, we see her trying

[00:11:18] to in speech therapy, but also with a straight up therapist, tip tapping away on her kind of responses. And then seeing her in Truthcon getting triggered by with a panic attack. Looks like a panic attack. The poster of child slaves. Now that slavery piece is more related

[00:11:41] to the crazy conspiracy wackos of that. The starlighters have children and Adrena Crome and they're again based on real life conspiracies, which is always weird. For tall ground though for charity though.

[00:12:02] But that kind of triggers her. We see her go down a beer, two beers, well maybe more beers, many beers, like who knows how many she actually does when she does tell us anything.

[00:12:16] But it's fun to see this is her battle. Like I do love that over the course of these first two episodes. Again, I understand why they've dropped three of them now for everyone because they're really setting the scene. They gave everyone their time to breathe to set up

[00:12:34] their seasonal storyline if you will. Because the female is an integral part of the boys. Yeah. Obviously her power is getting tested a lot that we see in the first two episodes. So it's going to be more interesting and I feel how they really lean into her battling

[00:13:01] her own demons now. What she does and where she goes with this because again, she has to confront her past and her past was human trafficking as a child. As a super child.

[00:13:13] And you kind of feel like we've seen all the soups getting their powers and they go off and work for Voss and they effectively showboat around the place and get paid for it. That's

[00:13:24] kind of it. Kamiko is in a different position. She's got the powers herself and you're going yeah, she absolutely would go on a vengeance, punish her style attack against the people who trafficked her into the country. And her brother, right? We saw her brother was killed

[00:13:40] by them as well. So she got a real reason for vengeance against this group. And she has the powers to do it, right? So yeah, I'm very intrigued to see how that plays out.

[00:13:53] And more will it actually, will we hear her talk? I think again, seeing the news about next season is the final. Will it be like very much like the Silent Bob moment of the boys

[00:14:08] where right at the end, she says her most poignant thing and then ends it in pure filth language. Just something really poignant and then just a tirade of swearing just that she learned a butcher and she's been holding it in.

[00:14:27] Very likely. That's a great way to end. I like it. Well, I take another one of the big points. My boys are protagonist moment. I just call this bar mitzvah battle, but it is around everything really that happens with the boys tracking down and kind of

[00:14:46] cottoning on to the plan, I guess, of Sister Sage and Firecracker at Truthcon because there's so much there, I suppose. But it's played out throughout the episode as they try to work out why someone as intelligent as Sister Sage firstly would be at Truthcon,

[00:15:02] a very well known conspiracy place for the real underbelly of idiots that are within this community of homelanders, the people that make up the most unbelievable things and then believe them themselves even though they've made them up from nothing. And centre to this is

[00:15:19] Firecracker. There's a really interesting moment between Sister Sage and Firecracker where they have that discussion about why she does what she does. Does she believe it or not? And she realises that actually Firecracker is much smarter than she says she is. She wants to be the

[00:15:36] person gathering together all the lost souls, all the people that want to find someone to blame, pulling them all together and giving something for them to fight against. And that means she's a leader and she's picking up all these people for the support of homelanders.

[00:15:52] That was a really interesting part of this. Yeah, Sister Sage asks her what are you selling and she's like purpose. And so that really is an important thing for Sister Sage and what she's looking to do to get this Julius Caesar

[00:16:12] type figure of Homelander here. I really like the fact that you've got Mother's Milk as well, putting together the mystery of Todd and the other members of the home team guys. And so Sister Sage's phone is tapped. But I do like the fact that ultimately she's aware

[00:16:34] of at least being followed to Truthcon. Whether she knows that her phone is being tapped is another thing. But we do have the moment where they have the bar mitzvah battle. I like the proceeding is that they're all supposed to be going to meet together in the

[00:16:56] The Deep's talk, wasn't it? That's it. But the room they actually go through is Mav's gender neutral ballroom, which is completely empty because it's Truthcon and of course none of these people would go anywhere near that empty room. That's where the fight's supposed to

[00:17:12] start. It's supposed to take place. Sister Sage tasks Firecracker and her partner, weird dude called Splinter, tasks them to kill the boys to prove their worth to Homelander. And they go straight for a full battle. Splinter's power, very similar to multiple

[00:17:32] man in the Marvel comics. Yeah, separating himself into unique but identical versions of himself. Seems like you can do it loads, similar to Duplicate in Invincible if you're more familiar with that. But yeah, he's a very weird guy. That scene where we discover

[00:17:51] as the boys have been following on and Frenchie and a slightly drunk Kamiko come across him. Enjoying? Yes. Yes. While looking at a photograph of Firecracker. So that's what he was. He was there for the whole time. It's not weird. It's not weird. Yeah,

[00:18:13] it's not weird. Oh, not at all. Basically masturbation. Yes, exactly. That's all it is. Yeah. Weird sense. I guess so. Self love. Anyway, but it's used to great effect in the Bar Mitzvah fight as they crack through a wall into Bar Mitzvah that's going on next door

[00:18:31] to Truthcon. Okay, I do think that's a little bit unbelievable. They probably would reschedule the venue when they found out Truthcon was right next door. But I love that it's a marvelous Mrs. Maisel themed Bar Mitzvah as they're all holding the young woman up as the music's playing

[00:18:49] and this insane fight breaks into the room with Splinter completely naked or seven or 12 versions of Splinter coming into the room completely naked as he's splitting more and more into different versions of getting into this fight. But it is hilarious. It's top

[00:19:04] quality boys fighting. It was such a good fight. Really liked it. Feel sorry for Splinter with the alpha getting taken out so they all die in the end. But yeah, as you say, this is Sage

[00:19:19] asking them to prove their worth here. Initially I thought this was going to be like a sacrifice of Firecracker and her agent just for that social media experience to show again, it'd be another part of this jigsaw that Sage is trying to put together. So I actually quite

[00:19:41] like that Firecracker survives this even though she is crazy effectively. But it is a great fight for sure. And they're only saved by Butcher coming in to save them, right? Yeah. Butcher comes in to do the final stop. All the versions of Splinter jump on top of him

[00:20:01] and then the rest of the boys actually save Butcher trying to get him out of there as well. It's trusty cover. Some people have a trusty weapon like James Bond has his Walter

[00:20:14] PPK. Butcher has his big black crowbar. Yes, if there was a toy of Butcher, I'm sure he'd be coming with this black crowbar as well. I'm pretty sure there has to be a sideshow

[00:20:26] collectible of it. I'm sure there is. But I thought this is a really good scene. Really enjoyed it. I loved this whole aspect of it. Like every part of this again because it's so

[00:20:38] close to the truth. But also just seeing it lend then into from the very realistic to the fantastical back to the realistic, I wouldn't say sister's age is talking to Firecracker and then just rolls forward into that very boys over the top violence action.

[00:21:03] So again, what the formula, the recipe that they perfected over the last three seasons, which is we're going to be kind of very much. We're going to poke fun in the real world. We're going to give you some super heroics. We're going to poke some more fun,

[00:21:21] but we're going to make sure that you don't get too stuck on it. Don't worry. Someone getting a crowbar through the skull. With the fun thing of like the Jamie Maddox multiple man, like him just kind of constantly splitting himself, splitting himself,

[00:21:40] splitting himself and then all the going, Oh God, that's disgusting. Like you see M.M.'s face and he looks like he's about to throw up. It's fantastic. Absolutely. Really, really good. You're right, Chris. Sometimes I think that that's

[00:21:53] in the writers room for the boys. They're channeling Jason Lee from Mallrats when he's having the conversation with Stan Lee about all the sexual things that the characters of the Marvel universe would be doing. And sometimes I feel Eric Kripke and the team around him are

[00:22:07] like, so if multiple man was pushed to the extreme, what could he really do with his powers that would really shock people? That's how I think they come up with some of these characters

[00:22:20] and how they show them on screen to just be as disgusting and despicable as possible. Because that's the starting point. If you're a soup, you're disgusting and despicable. And by the way, just want to call it as well. Firecracker's

[00:22:33] actual power is that she can snap her fingers and some sparks come out. But it does nothing other than set a firecracker off for half a second. But she's also slightly strong and has a bit of a vulnerability.

[00:22:51] Right, right. But if you needed your birth to candles list, call Firecracker. I know it's jumping to the next episode, but it is just so pertinent for here where we find out that Firecracker used to be known as Sparkler.

[00:23:09] I mean, still you can get a nasty burn from a sparkler, but I just love that. It just sounded so pathetic. Next to Homelander. I mean, even like Sister Sage, it's the fact that you can tell Homelander in a sense doesn't really... He values her intellect and her

[00:23:34] advice absolutely, but I think he still prizes strength and laser eye. Not pink eye, I hasten to ask. Over that. And over the influence that Firecracker can do. He knows she's useful. He knows he shouldn't want to be surrounded by sycophants and idiots.

[00:23:58] But exactly as Sister Sage said, he can't take not being the smartest person in the room. She knew exactly what was going to happen with him. There's some very real danger there for her

[00:24:09] putting herself in these situations as well, but she thinks she can outsmart him and keep herself alive, I guess. But yeah, he can just snap in a second and it feels like he may do with someone that's smarter than him in all situations. So interesting one to probably

[00:24:23] come back to later on in the season, I guess. But let's get on to our antagonist moments from the episode. You're not the real heroes. I'm the real hero. Will I start on my antagonist moment? Yes, go ahead. Yeah.

[00:24:39] Yeah. It's just a small one because we talked about it a little bit last episode about the three other members of The Seven. I think there was a bit of a joke about the fact that The

[00:24:49] Seven have never actually been numbered seven. That they never reach seven characters, even though that's their name. But the one member of The Seven that we were talking about last episode, A-Train, who didn't take out one of Homelander's supporters,

[00:25:03] the three top fans, he was in shock about being asked. And here we see that he's questioning himself, I suppose, quite significantly or questioning his allegiance and what he's being made to do by Homelander. So he kind of turns on them a bit, going to Annie and

[00:25:23] Huey and giving them the detail they need to know to exonerate the guys who have been accused of the murder of Homelander's guys at the rally or outside the courthouse at the end of the last episode, Jan and Todd, at the end of the last episode.

[00:25:39] That's a really interesting move for A-Train here. That A-Train would be starting to turn against The Seven. Well, that's it. And I mean, it's also kind of proceeded as well by the fact that he's confronted by his brother who in the wheelchair, Nathan, as he's effectively lying

[00:25:59] to his nephews about his wins and his saves and all of that. And whilst being watched by Huey and Starlight from across the street as they're tailing him. But this kind of confrontation from Nathan is that, you know, you're lying to my nephews. You've never

[00:26:22] saved anyone. They're all set up. They're all staged effectively. And Annie, he says to his sons, your uncle is no hero, which is pretty harsh for A-Train to hear. Well, absolutely. But he tried to use the hype that

[00:26:43] Vol created for him to get his nephews back on the side. I do love it when his brother's saying, well, I was there at the time. I know that that was all CGI. I know those mountains are

[00:26:55] actually a backdrop in a different place. He never left the studio. Everybody there was actors. So I was there and the kids turn on their uncle and walk away. So really like that. But I suppose what can't be stressed enough is how much A-Train has gone through with

[00:27:10] Annie and Huey and how much Huey's gone through with A-Train and Annie's gone through. He is the first soup really that Huey ever met. Huey used to be a fan of soups and A-Train ran through his girlfriend in the first season, right? So they've got a big

[00:27:25] bugbear between the two of them. And again, I think towards the end of season one, wasn't it, where Starlight went up against A-Train, the two of them have fought against each other as well. So interesting that he would go to them to give over this information.

[00:27:40] It feels like a big turning point for the character. 100%. And I think it's going to play further into because when you have the smartest person in the world, when you have someone who knows when you're lying, those two additional,

[00:27:57] that's who you're going against or turning on or just every now and again, doing the right thing. It's just going to get messy and I'm here for it because we saw A-Train's back, sure.

[00:28:13] But again, he nearly KO'd and gone last season. So he's not long for the world. And again, one thing we know about the boys and they're kripky. When your time is right for the story,

[00:28:28] you're gone. No one is safe. They could kill off Homelander this season and I would say, yeah, that makes sense. And 100% in because even if knowing it's ending next season, I can see them take no one is Game of Thrones level kind of. It's just like,

[00:28:49] go in every episode going, well, hope you're alive. I like you. We'll see you in 16 minutes. Exactly. But again, it's also seeing over time and many people defect from Homelander's team. Obviously we've had Maeve and we've had Starlight who were both members of the seven in the past.

[00:29:06] They defected to the other side and now we have A-Train here possibly defecting as well. Yeah, it certainly seems likely given what he's going through. How long has the Deep got left? Given what he's been willing to do for Homelander.

[00:29:20] Although I think the Deep is just generally more shallow. That's the problem. He's not very deep at all. I think that's the issue with the Deep. But I think speaking of being heroes, I think to my seventh moment here is actually around Ryan

[00:29:44] and effectively Vaught developing his backstory and preparing him for his first save in the same way that A-Train. So very rehearsed, very staged and so on. Interestingly we have Sister Sage again sort of undermining Homelander here by saying it needs to be Ryan doing his first save.

[00:30:11] And it was all going to be about Homelander and him introducing his son here through this save. But Sage is really clear that she thinks it must just be him. And so the rehearsals, we see Ryan doing these rehearsals that effectively

[00:30:33] his dad doesn't think he's really putting his back into. Yes. And in fact even the Deep comes in on the first save as well with Black Noir. I like this for two reasons. One, with the Deep being there,

[00:30:52] they were talking about whether the Deep would sort of follow A-Train possibly. He kind of is taking on Sister Sage advice. We see Ashley really talking him down and Sister Sage saying, why did you let her do that to you? You're a superhero.

[00:31:18] We do have a great moment where she's evenly the equivalent of a capybara and he's like, cappuccino. Which is hilarious. So funny. And again, but he takes on Sister Sage advice really threatening Ashley. Don't talk to me like that. You can see her rattle.

[00:31:37] So there's that element to this kind of Ryan's first save. Yeah, he threatens to drown her in her own toilet after he's taken a piss in it is basically the threat. It's when Deep turns that around, Ashley's put in those situations

[00:31:53] actually more than everything else. She feels like a really strong character at all times. Everyone around her is idiots. She's just going to manage the employees of the company. She's CEO. And then you realize she has no power here because the people that are around her could

[00:32:07] break her into a split second if they wanted to. And it's like Sister Sage just told Deep, remember how powerful you are here? Don't ever let her talk to you like that. And Deep went for the jugular on that. Yeah, that's interesting little tell I think

[00:32:23] for the Deep in this rehearsal scene. But the other one I really like is the director. The writers, yes. And the writers are saying, oh fantastic Ryan's complexion is like butter. The dawn of the seven required the ironing of so

[00:32:41] many wrinkles and they put the VFX over by nine million which put it on par with Sex and the City 2. I love that. Neck fold versus neck fold. It was just hilarious. They were just sort of realizing that, okay this is going to be cheaper.

[00:33:04] We're going to be within budget because we're not going to have to deal with wrinkles and neck folds. Pain with every photographer and VFX. Just fix it in post. Yeah. And edit for Chris and edit for Chris. Just so hilarious. But ultimately when it

[00:33:22] comes down to the final take we have poor stuntman Coy effectively getting splattered against the wall in the first rescue. I love that Ryan's like, I killed Coy. I'm just kind of like this sort of like whimper for help because his dad has come on

[00:33:47] the set and again is trying to be front and center. But again it comes back with Homelander not understanding in a sense why his son is so sort of upset over Coy. And you know is that you don't understand your place in the hierarchy just yet.

[00:34:09] And then just to go here you go I got you this milkshake. Poor Coy. Absolutely and then when he completely fails to calm Ryan down, Ryan is bawling his eyes out at the fact that this guy who's worked really hard with him over the last couple

[00:34:24] of weeks setting this whole thing up and he'd murdered him accidentally. He doesn't calm down at all and then takes both milkshakes back walking out of the room as like you're not getting the milkshake now. Exactly it felt really petulant. I just loved,

[00:34:39] I loved this whole thing in the first save and it comes in links in with what happens with A train there with Nathan and his nephews as well. So yeah really good sort

[00:34:51] of thing and yeah some great like the shock moment of Coy actually being sort of swatted away by Ryan but also I totally wasn't expecting that at all again. It was one of those ones where

[00:35:06] I know that the show goes for the extremes but I wasn't expecting the splash and scroll down the wall of poor Coy. Exactly the menace of the deep to poor Ashley and just then the

[00:35:18] the hilarity of the nine million neck wrinkle VFX being required and sort of the deeps cappuccino is a term for a, oh dear it was so funny. I wish they had made a sashimi joke or something

[00:35:38] just about the slaughtered Coy. Just some warm up fish joke it would just be better. I loved all of this. I can't even, there's not much more to kind of talk about here from my side

[00:35:49] it's just for me it was the, I do find it interesting to see where they go with the Ashley figure when the deep, the joke of the seven, the one that everyone has pushed around talked down to suddenly becomes a vertebrae, becomes a vertebrate and grows a backbone

[00:36:19] like when most of the ones that he like, the things that he loved, the thing that his relations with don't have one. So I just yeah I'm gonna be interested but again also the slaughtered Coy was hilarious. Yeah, Coy card.

[00:36:41] I'll jump in with mine just to close out our seven and it's gonna be one that's actually, it's about our bad guys but it's not the seven that you would usually choose. I'm gonna talk about Huey's mom as our antagonist. I know slightly controversial

[00:36:59] but we have known for a while that like the mum left because it was the kind of the jokes about Billy Joel and when him back in season one or two was kind of trying to date Annie January

[00:37:13] and he was telling her all these stories and it's the Huey sub story. So I find it so interesting where they're gonna go with this because they brought the mother back into the life

[00:37:28] who he hasn't seen up until the end of last episode. Turns out she's been talking to Huey's dad for a while, they're kind of back in contact and that now she has power of attorney

[00:37:42] and that his dad is kind of full on and gone put a do not resuscitate a DNR in his will or his decision making tree of when to kind of pull the plug and it's Huey versus his mom.

[00:38:01] Like this is the good guy bad guy situation. So I'm so interested to see what they do with this because we know she works for Vought and so my brain goes all they'll do the city little

[00:38:15] thing that will be always know that she secretly worked for Vought, she still works for Vought, she knows who that's not even his mom, that's one of the shape shifters or something like

[00:38:29] but then the more I've thought about it over the course of the episode I'm like no they don't need to go that outlandish with the story to make it both impactful and personal because I feel

[00:38:42] to make the villain that you need for Huey out of this. Huey's always been the one grounded in reality to a degree. He's not the fantastical one, he's surrounded by the fantastical. So to make his art enemy, you make his antithesis which is he's about family kind of

[00:39:01] growing the boys so you bring that against the foil is his mother who abandoned the family, ran away and if you bring her back in you bring her on side and then you break his heart

[00:39:15] with some kind of form factor later, however that is that's going to be such a juicy antagonist moment like and literally that she becomes then his true antagonist through this season I think. I definitely see that and of course it's Huey so the guilt that he has of

[00:39:37] not answering that phone call from his dad who was just calling to talk about another John Patterson film, one of the hundreds that he produces seemingly every year. I like those books I must say I really enjoyed them but there's just an overwhelming number, a bigger

[00:39:55] series than I think every other crime author seems like so I get it but she's almost playing into that guilt. The guilt has made so much worse that Huey ignored that phone call where

[00:40:07] dad had the stroke and now his mother comes in and goes well not only did you ignore that one phone call you've been so absorbed with your other life with Annie and the soups and the

[00:40:17] boys that you've missed the fact that your father was concerned about his health enough to put me on as someone to contact if he gets into a bad situation and he's giving me orders for what

[00:40:27] happens if we do need to do a DNR I've been given the control and I've been given the advice so suddenly that wedge is there but that Huey probably didn't even know was coming

[00:40:39] between himself and his dad so yeah you're absolutely right she is a great antagonist for this episode. Great stuff, shall we move into the last and not least outstanding moments? Thank you you have five minutes to make your opening.

[00:40:58] We left one big moment there the opening of the episode so I'm presuming one of you guys has the opening of the episode. I do, Ferrell Streep indeed with Will Ferrell on the A train

[00:41:09] movie or autobiography his early years. Yeah I've got this written as a train movie with Gester and White Savior. Exactly yeah exactly I mean it again it's playing into A train's kind of just like these people have no consideration for me whatsoever I mean

[00:41:30] again you see the writers just absolutely fawning over Will Ferrell here but then make some space for us and pulling him up because they've not he's not used the urban slang yes and exactly you know so I again just sort of connecting into A train going against

[00:41:51] the seven going against Vought yeah you know all this sort of stacking up on him so I kind of I but yeah the Will Ferrell cameo was really really good here I thought. Absolutely outrun this life or run yourself into an early grave it's your choice my god

[00:42:09] like they love that they called it out as well because quite recently it came out the story of The Blind Side that was about an American football player that was apparently pulled from

[00:42:18] obscurity by a white family given all the breaks and then made his name in the NFL. Quite recently it's come out that that story is not true at all was made up by the white family

[00:42:27] to make themselves look great and they call it out here in this A train movie is trying to do a blind side for him yeah to tell his story so that Will Ferrell can win the Oscar

[00:42:37] effectively it's so brutally honest in what they've done and if you think about the rest of the episode what happens with a train going to meet his nephews because he wants to stay connected to the family being separated from his from his brother who's now

[00:42:50] wheelchair caused by another soup and they've turned his brother the person who inspired him and led him to the place a train is in they've turned him into a crack dealer on the street

[00:43:01] who was going to make a train stay as a runner on the street for drugs like can you imagine what it would be like if he sat down at the premiere of the movie and his brother's sitting

[00:43:09] there going hang on a second I was supposed to be the inspirational center of your life and you've turned me into a crack dealer we're going to ruin your life you know and this

[00:43:17] is all playing into my point earlier on about a train and why he's turning on the seven this this layering in of the pressure that's on them to fit the stereotype of the marketing team

[00:43:28] and the PR team and what they want out of their their members effectively yeah I'd say a train is ready to crack with these guys I would say so the other moment as well for me

[00:43:38] is where Ashley's kind of inquiring with the deep what's happened to that octopus you have gotten rid of it as we know Ambrosius is stuck away in in the closet out of sight

[00:43:51] because she goes you know you're still on Peter's animal watch list which I just thought like oh dear after the suckers of the octopus got around his midriff yeah yeah that is like it's an excellent moment at the opening of the episode and you know there's

[00:44:11] there's a tiny moment at the start where you're going oh I wonder what's happening with a train and then very quickly when you hear some of the dialogue and you see the drug dealers like

[00:44:19] they're in the wire around him and you go oh no this is another vault movie isn't they're great parodies of other things that that are done in the world so I think they do

[00:44:29] a great job so it's great to open up this way and with world fair all appearing in here in that comedy role Chris what's your other outstanding moment for the episode very much

[00:44:38] very quickly for me at homeboy the the costume for raya that they do where you have like malcolm barrett one of the writers who is a fantastic actor he was in kind of timeless

[00:44:50] and things like that but he's been in this show since season one pretty much as that kind of fault writer and you have them pitching the origin story of ryan of homeboy um again it's

[00:45:05] just brilliant seeing the costume but interestingly and I find this for like two reasons one it's fun just to see ryan's reaction then kind of homelander's reaction to that and then even see the kind of two writers editing the script as homelander says I wouldn't cry

[00:45:25] proudly you would say proudly they could be edited but then you also hear sister sage talk about they don't do sidekicks anymore after a number of incidents and the teenage kicks and stuff and I'm like yes that is interesting we've never heard they don't do sidekicks

[00:45:44] anymore like we knew that they did we never heard why so there's definitely some interesting like hopefully we know there's going to dive way more into it because we've talked about before in the boys universe there's they are both the justice league and there's also like

[00:46:02] tech knight who is like an iron man type character there's all these other characters who met in gen v like there's so many comparative kind of and there's the teenage kicks which

[00:46:18] is like the teen titans so you see all these fun little callbacks to the dc and kind of marvel universe but you haven't seen too many yet of the young avengers style yeah but we've seen

[00:46:34] parts of them in college with gen v so it'd be interesting to see how much they've been into homeboy and his own uniform and think do we see ryan in costume at the end of the season

[00:46:46] yeah yeah that would be really interesting i do like how and you mentioned as well how sister sage spins the story and she's going no it's not about you introducing ryan to the world

[00:46:57] it's about lone saviors now like you know harry potter and the skywalker and neo he needs to be on his own as the new lone savior just love i love that she again is able to pick up

[00:47:08] the things that would connect with the audience that you're trying to promote him too so not only is she trying to create the fight between the starlighters and homeland supporters

[00:47:16] and she's also able to do the pr work as well which is i'm probably able to do it a lot better than these writers who are probably starting to get a bit tired of their ideas the same ideas

[00:47:26] churning out for each of the movies so i thought that was quite interesting too yeah that's my very quick point great stuff i just wanted to quickly mention the the butcher and an mm fight mm asserting his dominance now saying i'm now the leader of the group

[00:47:42] effectively get out of here they do throw a few punches but there's just a great conversation between the two of them where mm admits the reason he came back was that he thought giving

[00:47:52] butcher a final chance would mean they'd be finally be brothers again the way they were many years ago you know they used to work very close side by side we met them after the

[00:48:01] team had kind of broken up back in season one but they had worked together for many years beforehand so just a reminder i suppose that how close those two characters were and how much

[00:48:12] butcher has put them through the episode ending really with billy pleading to help him out get his son out of this and mother's milk going if that happens great but this is too

[00:48:25] little too late you can't just come back to me after everything you've done and plead with me to get your son back if we get right out of there fine but i'm not going to be working

[00:48:33] for you again basically so i thought that was an interesting breaking apart again of their relationship yeah it's really cussing very cutting but 100% they're gonna end up working butcher again at the end it's just it's inevitable yeah unless his brain explodes of

[00:48:49] course at some point at the end of the series again never know you never know any other notes any other points guys that you want to talk about about the episode nothing for

[00:48:57] me no nothing from me fantastic i really like this episode it must say um fields i know there's always a bit of setup i know we always get three episodes of the boys every season the

[00:49:08] first episode felt like they were building second episode felt like you're right back in the boys universe again for me so really enjoyed it yeah definitely i agree and i think like they they have they continue to set up enough storylines that you're going oh again

[00:49:26] why are we and we say i say this i'm gonna say that i say this every year how are they gonna get so much story in by the end of the season like so much i say it every year and every year they

[00:49:39] prove me wrong and go yeah that we did it we closed it all off and everything else but yeah into the next season um so yeah just very interested to see especially with what

[00:49:49] they've set up in two episodes so far it's probably just because the gap's like a year and a half i still can't remember all the details of the season three episodes that we watched

[00:49:58] three times every time we were podcasting about them but a gap comes in you go did they really cover this much ground in eight episodes and then you come back around again you go oh

[00:50:07] yeah they cover loads in these hour-long episodes yeah absolutely john do you have a rating for this episode i do i give this uh four and a half sex in the city neck folds

[00:50:19] five free or post cgi well i guess pre cgi or the cgs just starting that's why it's four and a half instead of i was more going if it's four and a half post cgi then you know they've done at

[00:50:35] least like five x gone so it's actually way more than that but then i guess if it's pre i'd have to do 4.5 million sex in the city neck folds out of five million fantastic fantastic

[00:50:51] i think we need to go to the pub john and grab an old pint and maybe a pub quiz question yes fellow quizzes fellow boys and girls welcome to the second question of season four pub quiz

[00:51:05] of the boys the question is how many beers in total did kimiko actually have and that's her final answer yeah yes don't don't add all the beers she said she had up because

[00:51:20] you get somewhere near like 40 or 50 or final answer john do you want to give the question what's that how many beers in total did kimiko actually have fantastic add that to the first question for the first episode and the other six questions from the other episodes and email

[00:51:35] us at the end of the series all your correct answers to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com and you can be in with a chance of getting your hands on some boys goodies for season four

[00:51:44] great stuff that's it for this episode we'll be back with our discussion about episode three we'll keep the red flag flying here later this weekend thanks so much for joining us yes

[00:51:54] thank you so much for joining us and we'll speak to you again soon yes thank you so much fellow boys and girls for joining us until episode three of the boys keep watching keep listening and of course keep feral streeping bye bye