With one of our team lost in another realm, John and Derek return to discuss Ironheart Episode 4 "Bad Magic" in our spoiler-filled podcast. We may have gushed a little too much about the MCU arrival of one of our favourite Marvel witches but we make no apologies.
Ironheart Episode 4 "Bad Magic" Details
Directed by Angela Barnes
Written by Amir Sulaiman
Episode Synopsis:
Knowing that Parker Robbins, aka The Hood is on her trail, Riri analyzes the piece of The Hood’s cloak she recovered, which she discovers is an ancient energy source that Parker draws upon.
Meanwhile Eziekiel Stane (aka Joe McGillacuddy) has been arrested for the crew's heist after being implicated by the biomesh left behind by Riri, and he is very resentful towards her when she visits him in detention.
With things stacking up Ronnie, Riri’s mum, gets increasingly worried about her daughter and wants to help, bringing her to her friend Madeline Stanton, a former Kamar-Taj trainee, and her daughter Zelma.
The Stantons help examine the fragment of the hood and detect that it is from a dark dimension that is likely influencing Robbins, before abruptly ushering Riri and Ronnie out of the shop. Ronnie shares her frustrations about her daughter never opening up to her, but Riri leaves in her iron suit after pushing back against her mother’s assertion.
Frustrated in her lack of findings with the cloak fragment, Riri meets up with Xavier, who tries to support her but is later horrified by N.A.T.A.L.I.E. emulating his late sister's image. N.A.T.A.L.I.E. leaves when Riri contemplates Xavier's demand to delete it.
Elsewhere, The Hood breaks Eziekiel out of jail to recruit him as Riri's replacement, and Slug assists his efforts to implant bionic enhancements in his body, while secretly giving Parker access and control over the bionic enhancements.
With everything now in place, Parker sends the crew on an extra mission this time to kill Riri, telling them she killed Cousin John.
Ironheart Episode 4 Cast
- Dominique Thorne as Riri Williams / Ironheart
- Anthony Ramos as Parker Robbins / The Hood
- Lyric Ross as Natalie Washington / N.A.T.A.L.I.E.
- Matthew Elam as Xavier Washington
- Anji White as Ronnie Williams
- Shea Colee as Slug
- Sonia Denis as Clown
- Alden Ehrenreich as Ezekiel Stane
Ironheart MIT Student Bar Quiz
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Question 4: What is the name of the realm that Zelma transports Riri, Ronnie and her mum to?
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John, Chris and Derek
Defenders on TV Podcast Industries
Date recorded: 02/07/2025
Date published: 03/07/2025
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00:00 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_04]: This is Defenders on TV podcast industries are back with IronHards episode four by magic.
00:06 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what to do.
00:09 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Call Sherry.
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she can out.
00:11 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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00:14 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, hello.
00:16 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sherry was, oh, what have I been up to since causing an interest species war in both land and sea?
00:24 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, I got kicked out of my tea.
00:28 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I joined a crew of raggedass criminals and, oh, I'm glad to give mine as popped by a deranged man in a cape.
00:35 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Keywell.
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Sherry.
00:43 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: She hung up.
01:04 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back from a defenders to TV podcast.
01:06 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_04]: The industry's were back in the Marvel Universe for Ironharts episode four bad magic.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm one of your host, Derek.
01:13 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello there, fellow defenders.
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am John C. Three PO.
01:17 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Human cyborg relations after that.
01:20 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Little bit of binary music to set us off.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_04]: You should hear the full version of it.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_04]: We would be absolutely dancing around the room for the full version of that one.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is a get more dynamic.
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It does.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, not on time.
01:31 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I could still the same June, maybe a one person, of course.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, does it build?
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It builds.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It builds, I guess, more time.
01:37 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the best part of the song, but it's written by Void.
01:41 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And it is the song is called Tech.
01:43 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it would be a really good choice for our Ironhorses coverage.
01:46 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_04]: certainly is and like since we've just gone through Pride Month it really has been a month of pirating for us.
01:51 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope you've all enjoyed Pride Month those who celebrate myself and John had a great day and Dublin Pride on the twenty-eighth of June it happens at the end of every Pride Month in June.
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_03]: We've had a lot of gigs though.
02:04 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We have as well including Joe Liefer and Anne Field home of Liverpool Football Club.
02:09 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Part of the best club in the world.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a really a soccer person.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Not a soccer person, but I know that's not true.
02:14 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_04]: They just happen to be a football team who happens to kick the ball more in the back of the national team.
02:18 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_04]: At the same time, and Everton's just a little bit kind of naffrily.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm more of the fan of the underdog, so I would be more of a fan that I am a Liverpool fan.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_04]: But I did go to Anfield for the first time to go much doly, but that was quite cool.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We also saw twenty one pilots.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_04]: We did.
02:34 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Fontaine's DC.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We did.
02:36 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
02:36 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw nine in snails.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_04]: We did.
02:37 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely one of the best shows I saw.
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02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: A great tune.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, yes.
02:59 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also, I did think you were about say, PyMonth, rather than PrideMonth.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd be kind of up for that.
03:05 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_03]: As someone who hails from Northern England, I think there should be a PyMonth.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I think PyMonth, I'm not sure.
03:12 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_04]: In January, with the leftover monsters, that's kind of January, we were in the dark side.
03:17 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you'd generally eat that many pies during summertime.
03:20 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it'd be more winter.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
03:22 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, but, you know, chicken mushroom, a fish.
03:25 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:25 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And you could do beef and ale.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: You could do, yeah, whole rake of them.
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a whiskey pie?
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we do a whiskey pie watch?
03:34 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
03:34 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.
03:35 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
03:35 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_04]: You, fellow defenders, may be wondering why we're ramping it.
03:38 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Because Chris is on able to join us.
03:41 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He was supposed to be joining us.
03:41 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, foundation.
03:43 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And well, we knew he was moving into a temporary accommodation for a little while while his head's getting done up.
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But his new house doesn't have any internet access.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to basically join us.
03:52 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And it looks like he's not going to be able to join us until August, which is a little late for our own hardcover.
03:57 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So, sending your rants to him and we'll be sure to pass on.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
04:03 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It was great having back for the first three episodes.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_04]: It really was.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We got loads of people saying, great to have the full team back, especially for our Marvel show.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_04]: It was great, really good.
04:11 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And in no Chris has watched all three episodes, which me and John haven't done.
04:14 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_04]: We've only watched episode four, we haven't seen episode five and six episodes.
04:17 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm surprised he's this disorganized.
04:21 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So it doesn't really bowed well for the extension.
04:24 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_04]: He is not this to so good as I would say he was going crazy what he felt like he doesn't have any interest for for a couple more weeks, but he may be able to certainly earlier, but unfortunately not in time for Ryan Hart coverage.
04:35 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But in his place what we do have is feedback of the first three episodes of Iron Hart jump.
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of cool, isn't it?
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So the voice of the listener instead of the voice of Chris.
04:45 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Chris stuff.
04:46 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
04:46 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff, well, first up as we get into our email feedback on episode one.
04:52 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Coffee invocers says greetings, fellow flown apart defenders.
04:56 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_03]: With the way the series is being treated, it's hard not to draw comparisons to Echo.
05:01 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Suppose being allowed on Disney, roll them, make sure I'm off to Hulu, it's a step up.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, where Robert Danny Jr.
05:08 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_03]: involved, this would be a nine weekly prime time episodes.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying,
05:13 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, the first episode's done what it should set the situation, which sucks and the stakes the rise from zero to mastering, really being administratively dropped both figuratively and literally was a good creative touch, and Anthony Ramel's hood has some serious acolyte stranger vibes.
05:33 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Finally, the AI interaction between Natale and Riri promises to be heartwarming.
05:38 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_03]: All in all, a solid beginning for junkyard armorers, down elevators, and PTS daughters out of five.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Peace and take care.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Coffee and vodka.
05:50 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff, coffee, vodka, thanks so much for your thoughts on the first episode.
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
05:54 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, after I was editing the first episode, I realized that we completely forgot to talk about rereads trial to get into the crew in the other picture.
06:02 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got a big scene as well, because she works around the whole trial.
06:05 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_04]: She's supposed to be doing something very specific, and she worked as a whole task to get all the way around to get out of the other rated before it falls to the floor.
06:13 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And literally our protagonist could have died.
06:16 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: She could have been.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_03]: highly unlikely.
06:19 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a life and death test.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Totally agree with you, really.
06:27 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Coffee and vodka on on this though.
06:30 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it'd be much better.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It being weekly.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great that it's on Disney+.
06:36 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, this is so tied into Iron Man, but also to
06:43 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_03]: the Black Panther as this is where we first saw her that this really I think should be given a bit more time to her and to breathe despite what all the negative naysayers who are naysaying about nothing and are are really saying here because I do think as you
07:03 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_03]: say, you know, there's real promising stuff here, between Natalie and Riri.
07:10 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_03]: For me personally, just having the hood in a TV show in the same way as when Dr. Strange was actually going to be a film is superb, so I could watch this all day.
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I just think it has some really good
07:26 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Vibes around this, and I think, you know, for Pride Month, having a drag artist in Shaikulay there, as well, for Jews.
07:35 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And two non-binary characters in there as well?
07:36 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
07:39 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So, all for it, completely agree, around the four junkyard, armors out of five.
07:45 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, and I know in the comic books, the character of Tony Stark is kind of the mentor character, and is the AI within the Iron Hearts suit.
07:54 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_04]: would you have gotten rubber dangling just sit at home in his pajamas recording this footage or is it better to have a new character like Natalie who is also in the comic and is the friend of rereads that not better to explore reread through that character rather than just doing the stone casting and having rubber doing a junior in there.
08:14 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I kind of represented Junior did record his video to Dominique Soren to congratulate you on the series of Ironharp, but that's kind of all you'd want from Robert and Junior.
08:23 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want him in the TV show taking off the spotlight from this character.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I would love this to be weekly.
08:28 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_04]: We're on the fourth episode, and including the fourth episode of Don't See, and you reason why this had to be all dropped in two weeks.
08:35 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_04]: In three episodes, jump, jumps.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I would much prefer if it was week because I wouldn't get a bit more of it.
08:40 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's not what they're doing.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, thank you so much coffee and vodka.
08:47 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Also, the feedback on episode one over in Facebook, a Dr Bob Phillips says, took me a few minutes to remember.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't need to rat my brains for the backstory.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Being very old means I don't remember stuff easily.
08:57 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I just drifted in the sea of a rather neatly tell story with a cracking soundtrack and almost too realistic universally funding storyline.
09:06 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The cloak is that the same when the cartoon shung she thought must be the body.
09:10 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_04]: The car has to return with its own triumphant soundtrack and the design of the put the pencil paper clip AI in nose head to spark horrific memories.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Great start to this season.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Dr. Valve.
09:22 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, yes, that's a point we made, I think, on the podcast as well, the cloak, the hood.
09:27 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw it back in the episode of Shang-Chi, the western episode of Shang-Chi, in the Whatif animated series.
09:34 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's where we've seen the hood before.
09:36 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think there's a reference to it being a good slinger.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I say, a hood wearing good slinger.
09:43 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So that is connected to what we saw in that Shang-Chi episode of Whatif.
09:46 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
09:47 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much Dr. Bob.
09:50 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Next up on episode one on Facebook, Heather Wallace says what's with the dude with the cape?
09:56 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Crime goes cause playing, I did enjoy seeing the Dean again though.
10:01 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Also on episode one, Mathematician says young Hanseler actor as Joe was enjoyable.
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Ladies dog taking a liking to his lawn.
10:11 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_03]: and yes indeed I think it's yes and that the first CGI dog poop or or not maybe real defecation I think a bit of defecation of extraordinary for Disney Plus
10:28 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was really pleased to see an old and Aaron Reich as well.
10:33 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So let us one of those movies that's really just grown on me more and more every time I've watched it.
10:38 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really kind of enjoy it that much when I first saw it, but I don't know every time I see it, I just really like his portrayal of Han Solo more and more.
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really pleased to see him in this.
10:50 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think to have the Wallace's point as well, it's not cosplaying, it's the hood.
11:00 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: But I do get what you mean, crime is going magical.
11:05 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is.
11:06 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And does it address the connection between the other two points that Heather and the mathematician made on young Han Solo and the dean played by Jim Rash from community?
11:17 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And the other main actor that was in the solo movie was Donald Glover who played Land of Kaurishan.
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that is true.
11:26 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a two community actors connecting there.
11:30 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of community actors who've been in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, including Donald Glover, who's been in the MCU as well, playing the uncle of Miles Miles.
11:38 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's true.
11:41 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He's spread himself throughout the Disney portfolio, I think.
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_04]: He has, he has.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know the connection.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know the connection with the MCU, of course.
11:52 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And community is really the root server.
11:53 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_04]: They're the two who directed all the big major Avengers movies and started out with their work on community.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's where they got all the cast of community to.
12:02 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right through it.
12:03 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
12:03 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
12:04 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks so much for the feedback in episode one.
12:05 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go on to the feedback in episode two, John.
12:07 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so coffee's vodka's back with his thoughts on episode two, he says greetings fellow tunnel hustling defenders, another nice slow plot ramping adventure with a not yet hero and a couple of not quite villains, but all getting there, not unreleased parasocial friendship is as entertaining as expected.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_04]: and nice to see more of her mother and Xavier.
12:26 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good, good thing to have a flashlight cast, not much else to say other than they didn't skimp on the soundtrack, which was one of the best elements of this episode.
12:34 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So far, so good, three point five dead besties, feisty and foreshadderings, and stained flowers, I should have five piece and take care, coffee and vodka.
12:43 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I always love your scoring system.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, cup of vodka.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That's very good, coffee and vodka.
12:47 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Stained flowers is my favorite.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_03]: these yet.
12:51 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: No, again, loving how this ramps up.
12:55 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I think interestingly, you know, with not yet hero, and I think with re-re, as it plays out, like, there is this
13:08 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_03]: non-hero element about her really and like it in terms of you know being involved with Parker seeing all the signs yet remaining there but equally you know we see her having the panic attacks and all that as well like she's not the classic hero yeah and that you would expect and I think she comes across as really
13:32 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_03]: grounded and human despite being in the iron heart suit.
13:38 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's really good kind of counter to the magical elements that
13:45 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: are in this show already through the hood and Parker, but also where this can go as well.
13:53 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's nice counter to that more magical mystical element.
13:56 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It is there's practicality to where there's a grandadness, as you say, and there's also a real driven element to the character, you know, she's
14:04 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Fundamentally, in the back of her character, she's fully aware that if she had grown up with that silver spoon, like Tony Stark did, or she grew up in Wakanda, with all of those resources attirated, she'd be an exactly the same level worldwide as they were.
14:17 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_04]: She knows that she is knowledgeable.
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no question about that.
14:19 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Throughout the show, she's come up with so many amazing inventions, even in just that opening scene of Episode One, you see her coming up with incredible inventions for all the other people to pass there, and interview your exams effectively.
14:33 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's never a question, nobody's saying to her, you're not as smart as you think you are.
14:37 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_04]: She's really smart.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_04]: She just doesn't have the funding, she doesn't have the support.
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So she has to turn to these nefarious means.
14:42 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's not quite a hero exactly as you say, coffee and vodka.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_04]: But will she ever just be a hero?
14:47 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
14:48 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_04]: She will always have that behind her that she, she may need to do other things.
14:53 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Unless someone's going to swoop in with a big paycheck and sort of reach some of the right side of the loft.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff, coffin vodka.
15:00 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_03]: On episode two, Dr. Bob Phillips says, are they techno Robin Hood or just a better style track suit map you've seen?
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Does Riri really not have the ability to create an AI Gary?
15:13 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it just her stalling until her mom promises to stop using crystals?
15:19 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Will Xavier be fridgeed in episode three to give our girl a mission for part two?
15:25 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And can we get through a series packed full of great music without Chris giving us a rendition, which could be extraordinary?
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably no, but we can hope.
15:35 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff, Dr. Bob.
15:37 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Well certainly he won't be providing any soundtrack so far.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing, yeah.
15:42 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't in the first three either, as I just suspect it's not his type of music, because everyone thinks it's good.
15:51 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_04]: It could be this kind of, you know, this is a great or a B tracks.
15:55 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_04]: There's some great nineties and two thousand tracks, and I'm kind of going, you know, maybe if we had some really poor pop punk rip off songs, Chris might be right in his element.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_04]: That's terrible.
16:06 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_04]: We've been to concerts at Chris.
16:07 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_04]: We know he does have some good music in the face.
16:09 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_04]: He just doesn't know the words to, well, anything.
16:12 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the team or the team do anything.
16:15 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you're wishes granted Dr. Bob as we go into the more magical side of this this half of the season of our hearts your wishes granted you will not be getting any musical at trying transitions or interpretations from Chris at threat the rest of the season because well he's not here
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's two mentions of the soundtrack for the series.
16:32 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_04]: It has been really good, and I think the only marvel show that has been really well known for its musical soundtrack has been Luke Cage before, and that seems to be baked into our own Irish here as well.
16:43 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_04]: There's lots of really good needle drops so far in the season.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
16:48 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I would say their techno Robin Hood, in a sense, and not that they actually are.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_04]: But they're for the rich and give to ourselves.
16:56 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's kind of the same.
16:58 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad you said it, John, that the character called the Hood and he does steal from the rich.
17:02 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess there is that Robin Hood type connection in the background to the storyline.
17:06 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of giving to the poor.
17:08 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_03]: The more and more people he brings into the crew.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: True.
17:11 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_04]: true.
17:11 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He just he does bring in the tired weary and sick and relegated people.
17:18 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't he say that that's kind of his speech and he brings in really really well.
17:21 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe that's what it is.
17:21 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he's giving to his own poor, but they all have to give tribute.
17:25 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the deal, right?
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks Dr. Bob for your feedback.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thanks Dr. Bob.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's head back to coffee vodka for feedback on episode three.
17:35 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Coffee vodka says greetings fellow bunched job defenders.
17:39 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_04]: The good part about being able to binge episodes is not having to waste.
17:41 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: The bad thing is, it's hard to appreciate them individually.
17:45 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Elements of the past two episodes jailed together.
17:47 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, while adding an element of menace, looking forward to the conclusion of the series, three point five sentimental ear muffs, knives, and red riding goods out of five piece of dickare.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Coffee and vodka, P.S.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_04]: about to listen to the Iron Heart episode, one podcast, nice to see the bands back together.
18:02 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_04]: It was kind of nice having the the full team back together, right?
18:05 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Coffee and vodka, yeah.
18:07 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, it's now disbanded again because of student internet.
18:12 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Stupid internet.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I should Chris is like a corporation.
18:16 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I should just phone Chris and put him on.
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we just do a hotspot.
18:21 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't why he's not doing that anyway.
18:24 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to have internet to access to a hotspot.
18:27 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he has no no phone on it.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Just do it off the five cheek.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe there's no five GM's area.
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_04]: He's close to a big park, John.
18:36 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
18:36 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He might be in the techno and dark spots of Dublin.
18:42 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
18:42 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_04]: How ironic for this to learn our soul based on my technology.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what Chris is.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent stuff.
18:49 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Galby.
18:49 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be listing Chris.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll post the tool on tape.
18:56 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff.
18:57 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Also on email Heather Sass says, hi guys, this is my first time writing in, besides participating in the pub quizzes.
19:05 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm loving iron heart more than I could have expected.
19:07 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I've not read the comics.
19:09 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_03]: and only know the little I do about Riri from Wakanda forever.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we talk about how good the music is for this show?
19:17 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I've loved all the music, but really jammed out to Alarnus with Riri and Joe in the second episode.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: What can I say?
19:25 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It brought me back to my youth.
19:27 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of the second episode, as a Heather, I really wish shows and movies were stopped giving us a bad name.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we're getting about rap.
19:37 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: On to more serious topics, the end of the third episode really hit hard.
19:41 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_03]: We all knew getting involved with the criminal group was going to go badly for her, but I don't think we were expecting that outcome.
19:49 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And she has now broken her promise to Joe to not get him drawn into her criminal activity.
19:56 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Plus it looks like whatever magic or powers are behind the hood's cape as shown him she was involved in John's death.
20:04 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I probably won't be the first to suggest it, but dare I say Mifisto is somehow involved with the magic that is in the cape.
20:11 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait for the rest of the episodes, and to see what you guys have to say till next time, Heather, really we are not all bad.
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Now you're not sad, you're not at all, Heather, you're not.
20:23 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_03]: One of my lecturers at university was called Heather.
20:25 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of your favorite very close friends, though.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And then.
20:28 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, one of my close friends is Cole Karen, and she has had the really bad time, but over the last couple years, she's an absolute sweet her as well, but she just can't understand why her name is taken on this meeting that that it has in popular culture of some of the complaints all the time believes they're entitled, because that is
20:46 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So far from the Karanino as well.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So I totally understand Heather.
20:50 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess you know, you seem to be of the similar vintage of ourselves.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_04]: As you mentioned, you're your level of the long smile sets.
20:56 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So you may remember the Christian Slater movie from the eighties called The Cult Hethers, which I think is where this old stemmed from.
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that might be it, but that tends to happen in popular culture.
21:06 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_04]: They'd take an aim and
21:08 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_04]: and stick it into a movie, and suddenly it takes on this new meaning, which is totally unrepresentative of the people that we all are behind at all.
21:17 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
21:17 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Poor old John sings to have a criminal in the MCU in this show.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, absolutely.
21:24 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember.
21:27 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember the story is that my mom used to say being worn off calling me John because John said always for badly in history like King John in England or John the Baptist and then at which point the teacher in her in my mom basically told the gynecologist to shut up and and that she thought he was educated back there there's a few more John's in the world
21:52 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_04]: but also had there's really interest the emotional atmosphere except being the one that you rocked out most too because we did as well and then she happened to be playing glass debris last week.
21:59 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_04]: That time I watched her full set like I think everybody was super.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't even did.
22:03 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_04]: There was absolutely superb seeing her live again and she's got such a presence on stage.
22:08 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_04]: She's fantastic.
22:09 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Although I did like the joke that she was just trying to make her pretend thousand steps by everybody running back and forth across the stage for the entirety of her gig which is always done that.
22:16 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_04]: But great to hear from you Heather.
22:18 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
22:18 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So good to hear his answer.
22:19 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Hope you get to us by the end of the season with your thoughts on the other half as well.
22:23 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and good call on the Fisto because I think at the moment it is a dead heat between Mifisto which it has been since one division where we've been saying he's been about to pop up like a whack em all since then and of course
22:41 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_03]: at least depending on whether they stick to maybe sort of the more comic version of the hood, it could be the re-ignition of dormant.
22:52 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_04]: There are a turn of dormant with a gap out of to come back to the voice.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Would you know
22:58 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_03]: After episode four, which we're about to cover, and Zelma being there, and Dr Strange being referenced, then it would be quite nice if there's a little bit of a little cameo here.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, even in person is Dr. Strange.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, as dormant.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_04]: As we've said, we haven't watched ahead.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_04]: We've only seen episode four to cover for this particular podcast.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be catching up with the other two episodes.
23:22 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So I hope we'll see the resolution to this by the end of the series then.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, definitely.
23:27 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm seriously trying not to get spoiled by reading anything to do with social media.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But thanks so much, Heather.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely thanks, Heather.
23:35 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Also, Episode three, Dr. Buffalo says, that's a very dark turn for our girl.
23:39 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_04]: We live in the last moments of the drive by shooting witness to murder and letting a man die and dropping the fancy skin dressing and potentially sending a Zekeal Joe to the barrel, or whatever it is that high-tech arms dealers get sent to that isn't the raft.
23:53 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Will they rejoin part two?
23:55 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Will Ja, or Ma, or Ga, Re, save the day?
23:59 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Not long to find out.
24:00 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Dr. Buffalo.
24:01 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll like that.
24:03 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_04]: to say that or Gary.
24:05 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:07 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Very good.
24:10 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_04]: What is the raft for high tech arm dealers?
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just prison.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_04]: To be honest, I don't listen to the raft.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even need to have.
24:19 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:20 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to think now.
24:21 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember if there is one.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just, I think it's just prison.
24:26 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought we were talking about that more in the episode of coming.
24:29 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks Dr. Valve.
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Next, thanks Dr. Bob.
24:33 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And finally, our overall on the episode so far, Donald Dennis says, the quality of the cloak special effects are much better than when we saw it in an earlier episode.
24:44 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_03]: The character and the cloak both look fairly badge when we first saw them, but in the end, they look better in action.
24:51 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking Joe would end up being her man in the chair, or her lab monkey.
24:57 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Then when she showed up and his arm was all messed up from self-modification, I became worried that this was the start of his villain art.
25:06 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, indeed Donald, I guess we will explore that a little further in this second half of the series.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
25:14 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, good thoughts, Donald.
25:16 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks very much.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Send them into us on the first half of the season.
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully we'll hear from you at the end of the season as well.
25:20 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thanks Donald.
25:22 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And thank you to everyone who sent in their feedback for the first three episodes of Iron Hearts.
25:29 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And please keep that your thoughts, theories, comments and observations coming through at feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com or over on our Facebook spoiler posts over on our group at facebook.com for slash groups forward slash TV podcast industry.
25:46 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, you can also enter our iron heart MIT student Pope quiz at feedback at TV podcast industries.com.
25:53 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a question that we give it every episode of the fourth question.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Be coming up later on the episode.
25:57 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's time to get into our chat about our in-hard season one episode four.
26:02 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_04]: But magic, the character iron heart was created by Brian Michael Bendus and our artist Mike D'Dadio in twenty sixteen.
26:08 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The head writer for the show is Shinaka Hodge.
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_04]: This episode is directed by Angela Barnes, who's directed episode of Will Trent
26:14 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Who's directed episodes of Will Trent, Atlanta and Mitha Quest as well?
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, all I can say is Chris will be doubly disappointed that he's not here.
26:23 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And devastate, he's the only Will Trent fan I know.
26:27 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I know lots of you.
26:28 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Most watchikas belong for four or five seasons.
26:30 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_03]: We watch quite a lot of you.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We watch that four or five episodes.
26:33 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say we're not quite as fanatical about it as Chris.
26:36 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Chris basically would step over a dying band in order to make sure he could get to see Will Trent.
26:46 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he'd step over an entire season of Marvel TV shows for which I have set up with Will Trent instead.
26:51 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of prefer my police procedures more like poker face, which has been great fun to watch every week.
26:56 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely more fun.
26:58 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and as I said, Atlanta, which started Donald Glover, who we mentioned earlier on the feedback part of the episode, and mythic quest, which is a kind of a D&D-based comedy show, which is really good to first see.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really good to have an intro.
27:11 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_04]: See the rest of us.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but we'll get there.
27:13 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll get there.
27:14 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And this episode was written by Amir Schuleman, a supervising producer on IronHarsh, and this is the, they're only credits for an episode for the seasons.
27:20 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a main credit for the show, but it's a supervising producer on the show there.
27:24 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: John, do you want to tell us what the game is with the synopsis for this episode?
27:29 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
27:30 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Knowing that Parker Robbins aka the Hood is on her trail, Riri analyzes the piece of the Hood's cloak she recovered, which she discovers is an ancient energy source that Parker draws upon.
27:42 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, Zikul Stain, aka Joe McGillacuddy, has been arrested for the cruise high-staffed, after being implicated by the Biomesh left behind by Riri.
27:52 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And he is very resentful towards her when she visits him in detention just a bit.
27:57 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_03]: With things stacking up, Ronnie, Riri's mum, gets increasingly worried about her daughter.
28:02 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And wants to help, bringing her to her friend, Madeline, Stanton, a former Carmetage trainee, and her daughter, Zelma.
28:12 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: The Stanton's help examine the fragments of the hood and detect that it is from a dark dimension that is likely influencing Parker Robbins.
28:22 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Before abruptly ushering Riri and Ronnie out of the shop.
28:26 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Ronnie shares her frustrations about her daughter never opening up to her, but Riri leaves in her eyes suit after pushing back against her mother's assertion.
28:35 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_03]: For Stratus and her lack of finance with the cloak fragment, Riri meets up with Xavier who tries to support her, but is later horrified by Natalie emulating his late sister's image.
28:47 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Natalie leaves when Riri contemplates Xavier's demand to delete it.
28:52 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Elsewhere, the hood breaks a Zekeel out of jail to recruit him as re-rease replacement, and Sloka cysts his efforts to implant Bionic enhancements into Zekeel's body while secretly giving Parker access and control over the Bionic enhancements.
29:10 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_03]: With everything now in place, Parker sends the crew on an extra mission this time to kill a re-reat.
29:16 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_04]: revealing to them she killed cousin john oh there's there are cliffhanger for the next episode hmm indeed yes we've kind of been talking about that that it has got a little cliffhanger uh pushing us into the next episode and I really want to watch episode five but before we do we will get into our top five case notes for
29:35 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_04]: this episode.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Start it off with case number one.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Step back in time, John.
29:39 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think we should indeed.
29:42 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got flashback here to Parker and John doing sort of one of their first bits of petty crime robbing a rich household but ultimately it going south, not so much for them but for the security guard that interrupts them.
30:01 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_03]: and who get shot by John as he basically captures them in the act of robbing the house.
30:11 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's not just, yeah, it's definitely a place that's very familiar to Parker, not to John.
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
30:17 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Parker seems to be in the lead and getting them in there.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_04]: He, he types in a number into the code.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And the security code to get inside the door.
30:24 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_04]: He knows how to get in there.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_04]: He knows how to find the safe in the place as well.
30:27 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's in the, in the,
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Drinks cap.
30:31 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
30:31 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And then when the security card comes in, he kind of disappointedly says, you know, don't want, you don't know what you're doing here, kid.
30:37 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he gets shot by John.
30:39 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_04]: You can see a look on Parker's face of kind of recognition of where the security guard is.
30:43 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I picked that up on the watch of the episode.
30:45 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I presume we're going to learn more about Parker and John and how Parker got here.
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully we'll learn about where his hood came from as well.
30:53 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it does feel like this is childhood home, maybe, or somewhere that he knows very well.
30:58 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, possibly.
30:58 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think certainly this flashback feels like it shouldn't be the last one.
31:05 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Because a bit like yourself, I thought this was going to kind of reveal how Parker got the hook.
31:12 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
31:12 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you stole it from the safe in there or something.
31:14 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
31:15 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the safe was too small, you know, but I definitely thought this was what it was going to show.
31:21 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And as it then fades into transfers, into this kind of sort of wake for John at the pizza restaurant headquarters during.
31:34 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And really uncomfortable wake is in a slug of the one that's trying to lead it because Parker is a little bit off and slow cut it going.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, everybody say something they like a lot of a John.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I guess I'll go first.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's willing to say anything.
31:49 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_04]: It's awful.
31:50 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
31:50 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but in the end, you know, they do go round and you have this, you know, ominous sort of reflection from Parker who says, you know, I miss his loyalty.
32:03 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It's what got him killed.
32:05 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, as he's looking at Riri directly in her eyes.
32:09 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, she's kind of
32:12 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: sense is that there is something not quite right in it.
32:16 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That even becomes more ominous because, you know, just like, as long as I need to do, and it's like, no, I've got plans for you.
32:27 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And then just leaves it.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, okay.
32:30 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_04]: That did felt a feel very cartoodied and I'm, I'm a Scooby-Doo like, no, you don't need to do anything.
32:36 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got plans for you, get out of my size.
32:38 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you go home now and you'll be fine.
32:40 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll call you when I need you.
32:41 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a little cliche, but it was certainly ominous enough.
32:46 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Really, therefore, reread to get the hint that in essence, and it becomes more apparent that Parker is onto her, you know, later on as well.
32:58 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But certainly, that's kind of the initial sort of disquires, the bit of, you know, that gut feeling that something's not quite right here now between the two of them.
33:11 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Anything else in the flashback?
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish it was a bit longer.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish it was a bit more.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, definitely.
33:17 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like we had to interpret why it was being shown there rather than it actually been really clear.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_04]: What was happening with Parker and that's what I mean.
33:24 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be weird if there's no more flashback.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_03]: If that is the only one.
33:30 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_04]: That must be something, must be something else.
33:32 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Like yeah, I feel it there should be something more here in the next few episodes and rather than it just being that because we knew that they robbed and started off as criminals like so yes, yeah, it felt
33:52 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was left hanging.
33:53 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It needed more and maybe that will occur over the next two episodes.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
34:00 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, our fellow defenders already know whether it's whether it's more or not.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_04]: We will very soon as well.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to our case those number two.
34:08 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Very ominous.
34:10 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to our case number two, John.
34:12 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a kind of magic.
34:13 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
34:14 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I watched this episode before John did, and I was so excited about the appearance of a character, mostly because I knew how excited John was going to be about the appearance of a this particular magic character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because we are introduced to Zelmastanton.
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And why is Zelmastanton so cool done?
34:37 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_03]: because she is a new magical character and brought in during twenty fifteen very close to Dr Strange but appears in a Dr Strange comic series such Strange number one that is written by Jason Aaron and has the artist Chris Bakkelow and
35:01 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was just a great character.
35:04 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And she becomes involved in the strange academy, which is another great new element in the Marvel magical world as well.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And we say new, but it is a decade ago.
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It is a decade ago, I know exactly.
35:19 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_03]: But also because along with Zelda, we have bats, which is the ghost dog as well, that becomes huge in Dr. Strange and is really, really, really just so cute.
35:36 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yes.
35:37 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I was massively excited and thrilled for the arrival of Selma.
35:42 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It was something never, I didn't think was going to happen.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:47 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I certainly wasn't anticipating it for this show because there was going to be the hood in there.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was excited enough about that.
35:55 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:55 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_03]: But actually, now the only thing I do wish is that we had bats the dog in there.
36:00 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, but it is great to have a real life action.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Zelma.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
36:08 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And what makes it more fun for us in Defenders TV podcast and TV podcast industry is because we covered many issues of Dr. Strange, which featured Zelma.
36:17 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And over there, on our back catalogue, if you pop it over to Defenders TV podcast, you'll see our coverage of the series of Dr. Strange comic books that we covered right back to Dem Nation, which featured Zelma, which featured Dr. Strange.
36:31 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And at the time we talked about it, like a companion to the Dr. and Dr. Who.
36:37 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_04]: She was that kind of central character that she appeared and was working side-by-side with Dr. Strange, so that doesn't happen very often you tend to have similar stories and a bit like sort of Spiderman's attachment to Dr. Strange.
36:51 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_03]: know that there's a closer than something I thought from the movies that America Chavez was going to have ultimately.
36:59 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm really pleased that this other mystical magical character is
37:07 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_03]: included here in the Marvel MCU because it's almost feels like it's setting these new seeds of Marvel magical and mystical stories in there.
37:23 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I was super excited to see
37:28 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Zelma come in here into Ironhouse.
37:31 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, and I definitely got some flashbacks to our coverage of Agatha all along as well, and that show, all of the magical characters that we're in there, when we have this moment where they enter the magic shop, which is kind of a sweet shop that does everything.
37:45 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And when they have that moment that we're in there and Zelma transports them to the other dimension, that really felt like something that Agatha would have, that would be a shop in there.
37:55 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of sort of wish that her mom was one of the characters from Agatha, but the show is made such a long time ago.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_04]: The show was made over two years ago, I think.
38:03 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And so way before Agatha all along, even was released.
38:06 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So you can't balance the casting of every show by sort of the show as well, but what would have been kind of nice if you had that connection somewhere.
38:13 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, but I do like the fact that, you know,
38:17 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Zelda's mom here, Maddie Stanton.
38:21 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It is someone who has learnt and been taught at Kamatage, she left her.
38:27 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, Zelda says that's her reach school.
38:30 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, the ever doubtful rereads, the techno head, sort of not really understanding, you know, with Zelda, I wouldn't say,
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_03]: have you ever heard of Doctor Strange?
38:45 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But I like how that sort of all plays into the fact that, you know, in a sense, Riri is the in the Stanton's sweet shop because her mom has kind of talked it into this because we have this between
39:05 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_03]: really and her mom and mom is just like, you know, not understanding, you know, it's worried about really.
39:12 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, says, let's go and do something like a massage and so she goes, maybe I need, you know, chakra's crystal sage.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's all coming from
39:23 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_03]: a view of being suspicious over this claim of everything.
39:28 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But then gets to see this real magic through the transportation spell done by Vice-Zelmer here.
39:38 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_03]: When they go to examine the hoods cloak in this new realm that they've been transported to.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just really nicely played.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even the fact that it's a sweet shop and
39:52 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_03]: and rereads they're going, you know, I asked for magic, not Willy Wonka.
40:00 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_03]: But Willy Wonka was magic and was a magician in his own way, you know.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So I really did like this.
40:07 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like the double, so response that she's the umpillum, but they're obviously having heard their entire conversation, they're very sharp, you know.
40:14 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I really like this really like this introduction to a character that we have enjoyed so much of comic books.
40:19 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So another cool character on the board now in the MCU, but they don't really find out the huge amount.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_04]: They find out that this is ancient.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_04]: They find out from a very dark dimension.
40:29 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it's not from our realm.
40:32 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:32 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Hence.
40:33 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the properties are the fact that it's on the stable.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
40:37 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:37 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of interesting as well, then they start doing something and it's like, what are you doing?
40:44 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I'm reading tea leaves and Maddie sort of throws a splat of stuff, which goes into a particular shape.
40:53 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not really too clear on just yet, but that splat effectively
41:00 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_03]: freaks out zelnas mom and he tells reary to you know to leave the cloak alone and the person who is inhabiting it because it's more than likely that park it is being influenced by the cloak rather than park it being imbued powers by the cloak.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it is but it's just
41:24 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_03]: it's affecting him and influencing him.
41:28 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Maddie says, you know, it comes from the darkest dimension.
41:33 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's how I heard it.
41:35 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So actually to that point of, is it Mufisto?
41:38 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it Dorma Moon?
41:40 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Is Hal a dimension?
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it is, but it's never really described as that in the MCU.
41:47 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So at this moment in time, not having watched ahead, I would be going
41:52 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Dormamoo slightly ahead there by a nose with that darkest dimension reference.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
41:59 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and interestingly when I saw the kind of tea leaves splashed on the wall and I know it's definitely about this but the only thing that was in that I could kind of see in it was you know that version of Dormamoo that you have in the comic books where it's more like a pumpkin head with fire coming out of it or is
42:15 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_04]: his son that's in that's in Stranger Academy looks similar to that as well.
42:19 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only thing I could see a shape in it where it looks like a bowl with fire coming out of it.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, that's kind of like Derma.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's where we're going for.
42:27 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess it'll be time will tell.
42:29 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so yeah.
42:30 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But they're both kind of kicked out of the shop for bringing this onto the Stanton family.
42:37 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Sentite side and then we didn't really mention why they're here but you know Ronnie and Riri have an argument because Ronnie's really worried about Riri that's why they eventually got here and when she lists out all the things that led them there you can kind of understand she goes out at nice doesn't tell her mom when a job is one colleague dead which they were told about by the police another colleague is sent to prison which she knows about as well
42:59 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_04]: She needs a nice sleeping in her iron suit to protect her mom and she gives her mama Watts, she gets wrapped in a bubble when a gunshot goes off and the X files TV show mother shoots a gun and her mom gets wrapped in this bubble and her mom's going, all right, there's something wrong here.
43:14 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_04]: We need to sort of change.
43:16 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've just been airbags by this watch.
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really good.
43:22 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this was a really well played conversation between Riri and Rani.
43:28 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Riri's been keeping herself to herself a lot since her stepfather Gary dies a couple of years ago.
43:35 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And Rani is almost using that against her to make her more of a favors, which is an interesting perception or interesting perspective from Riri.
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's not how Rani would see it.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Rani wants to
43:47 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_04]: be the best friend to her daughter, Ronnie wants to help re-re-re-exes much as she possibly can, but re-re-re's just never going to be as open with her as she was with Gary.
43:55 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_04]: They have so much more closeness because they're both very similar, you know, we've heard Gary was an engineer, that's what inspired re-re-re.
44:02 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not the same kind of inspiration that she gets from Ronnie.
44:04 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_04]: She loves her mom, clearly, but they just don't have that connection.
44:08 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And increasingly the MIT is also a run away from home as much as developing her potential.
44:15 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it is really, really interesting that this whole dynamic.
44:21 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's a really good part of the show that dynamic of this family unit, but also with the the friend of Natalie and how that's playing out.
44:31 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a real sort of novel aspect of this show with everything else going on.
44:38 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_03]: have enjoyed how it's linked in to all of this and another kind of useful sort of
44:46 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_03]: happen stance, I guess, of going to the stand and the sweet shop is also because they do find out that additional information, like we said.
44:59 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like the fact that Maddie says to Riri, you know, it's probably influencing Park out.
45:07 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_03]: We've mentioned that, but she kind of says, you know, you like technology and sometimes it's the person who's bad, who's using technology, it makes technology
45:17 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_03]: bad.
45:18 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no inherent good or bad in technology.
45:22 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But there is such a thing as bad magic.
45:26 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that the uses or bad, the magic is bad.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's inherently bad.
45:32 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, that's the kind of warning, the level of warning that she's giving to and to Riri here.
45:39 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and that warning leads Riri to go off and try and test ways to destroy the capes.
45:45 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So on to case number three, the test and testing the capes are for ways to destroy it.
45:51 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Riri and Natalie go off to run away from running and go to the silo.
45:56 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the Joe Shoter to try and find ways to destroy the capes.
46:01 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, they've kind of been piecing stuff together throughout the whole episode.
46:04 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, right up at the start, you have Rerea and Natalie talking about, you know, that the clocus filled with a heat energy source, but they can't actually determine where it's from.
46:14 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not, it's not related to pin or start tech, and but they need to understand it.
46:20 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_03]: There's need to understand the cape or the cloak so that they can understand
46:26 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_03]: what potentially Parker is up to.
46:29 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's interesting really says when he inevitably comes from me, you know, she is suspicious as we said.
46:34 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_03]: But they do also find out how long is Parker going to survive with this level of energy there?
46:40 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_03]: They get the information as well from
46:44 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Zelma's mom and Zelma and then finally with that warning they look to try and as you say then destroy it and again the new piece of information that's really coming from this is the back at stains and sort of text or in the silo is that
47:01 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Literally everything they try biological, heat, cold asses, chemical to destroy this fragment of the cloak, and they can't destroy it.
47:14 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_03]: They can't figure it out at all.
47:18 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Leaving reread to think that this is millennia old and they are definitely not.
47:22 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_04]: They can store it, yeah.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
47:25 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_04]: They're definitely not the first people to try and destroy this cape.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_04]: So what could they possibly do?
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
47:31 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That little joke from Natalie going, um, we could throw it in the ocean.
47:34 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, I've just turned an image of a penguin in the game.
47:37 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a good little joke.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But there is one moment in this day.
47:40 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I had more say, I really, really didn't like.
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got a massive tech genius here in Riri Williams.
47:46 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, they go to the, to the silo to get in and she can't work away to get around the, um, the scanner that, um, that shows put in, or as we know, as he kills Stain has put in.
47:56 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And then Natalie goes have a checked under the mask and the keys underneath it.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_04]: The two of them are tech geniuses, right?
48:03 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I know that there's a bit of a joke about Joe being a bit of a loser, but he's now going to put a key underneath the mask for something that he's locked up so tightly and has effectively weapons and bombs inside.
48:16 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a bit of a joke, yeah, but it kind of undermines both characters to say that he would have a key under the mask.
48:22 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, in the scheme of things, is it the best thing probably not, but equally, how many times have you seen the car keys in the sun visor?
48:31 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I know, but that's a bit different than having the nuclear weapons behind a door and there's a key under the mask when you have right outside your head.
48:38 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you use those kind of scenes to enhance re-rease character and show that she can make into anything else of how intelligent the smart she is.
48:46 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_04]: They should have had that scene.
48:47 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_04]: They went, okay, we're not going to waste five minutes and that will do a two-second joke instead.
48:52 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, personally, as well, naturally, as AI could go working out the combinations, you know, seven seconds later, the combat, you know, or even processing that, you know, or yeah, the usual thing of where are the fingerprints on the buttons, you know, that kind of stuff.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And something.
49:13 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And but yeah, I know what you mean, you don't know what you mean, yeah.
49:16 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I cause I quite like them working through all the different ways to try and destroy the fragments of cloak and you know how that like even just going to biological I was like oh that's great yeah you know thinking
49:31 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_03]: biological, I guess, probiotics might eat it or for something, you know.
49:35 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just something, yeah.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_04]: It's totally dried so much stuff.
49:38 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, another great needle drop for this one, the Erica Blue song that they use in the background, it works really well for this investigation scene.
49:47 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't provide an answer to the question that the posed but I guess the big answer that they get, as if it is that it's indestructible by any means that they can think of right now and it's also ancient.
49:57 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, you know, that's the big finding that they have.
50:01 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I like that they also ought to take out to this silo as well.
50:07 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And she has to eyeball the delivery person, so because he's kind of like, well, where have you come from?
50:14 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically just a silo in a field and a few sheds.
50:18 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_03]: and get off the lens, you know, that kind of thing.
50:21 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of like that.
50:23 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And as well, she gets arrested in the final episode because they're tracking her or something through her orders.
50:30 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's it.
50:31 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But let's move on to our case note number four because it's another big moment of the episode kind of spends out of all the stress that rereads been under.
50:38 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So on to case number four, panic attack.
50:41 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's it.
50:41 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I think all the stress and, you know,
50:48 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_03]: concerned for the safety of her mother of Xavier and sort of not being able to come up with an answer, that sort of undermining of her own sort of intellect and process and genius to work things out, not being able to figure it out is all sort of stacking up
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_03]: onto her.
51:18 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the other thing that really comes out here as well that is stacking up on her is the fact that she
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_03]: was responsible.
51:30 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Even though there was self-defense, she was responsible for John's death.
51:35 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't think that would be something that she conceivably could see in her life.
51:40 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yet it's there.
51:41 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And we have Natalie trying to calm her down saying, you know, he would have done the same to you.
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
51:49 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_03]: If that was on the foot, it was effectively self-defense moves.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there's also a stress and a pressure
51:56 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_03]: not only because of these other things, but around ultimately how she's gotten involved with the gang and the and parker and what's happened then to John this death of John murder of John and
52:16 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_03]: we've seen that sort of panic attack previously and this is again a reoccurrence of that and it's just added to this I mean even when she goes to the prison to to see Ezekiel you know that that deadings an innocent person behind bars again another layer of pressure exactly I was kind of thinking about the death of John
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_04]: and whether it's rewise fault.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_04]: That's an interesting one.
52:43 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of these ones that could be faulting course quite a lot because at the end of the day, rewise in the room with John, yes, she was under threat, absolutely.
52:51 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_04]: The suits came to save her, the door opened, re-refell into the suit.
52:55 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_04]: She was almost deaf, so I'll remember.
52:57 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the suit closed the door and the suit flew away.
53:00 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Re-re-re-created the suits, re-re-created the AI and the AI judged the situation was, get re-re-readed there and save her life.
53:08 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Forget about John, he'll probably.
53:11 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_04]: would have done the same.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_04]: We just want Natalie Voices.
53:14 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's that interesting quandary in there where we're all talking about AI destroying the world and AI doing this and AI doing that and actually the creation is behind AI.
53:22 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_04]: They're thought that the ones that created and related run to run wilds.
53:26 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_04]: really would be responsible for this at the moment I believe what there is that argument of since she's created AI and AI this AI's gone off on its own and made its own decision here is that the AI's thoughts and how can you blame the person that created it for what the AI has done so I think it's been interesting thing and it's very small and very and not really dealt with in the episode here but it is very interesting that Ruby's taking on the responsibility of that and that is that is part of what causes her to have the panic attack and you know
53:54 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_03]: But I also think potentially it's as much that Riri is panicking because she didn't even try to save you because the suit took her so you're right I suit took her but she
54:07 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_03]: presumably could or should or may have been able to override that.
54:12 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, it should may have, yeah.
54:13 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_03]: But the other side of this, so I think there's that element of guilt in amongst it, because to my mind, the doors were closing anyway, because this was part of the biosecurity of the facility.
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So in a sense,
54:32 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and the immediate threat was of re-re-being stabbed, but then as the oxygen goes, they're both under threat.
54:44 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm not entirely sure re-re is fully responsible here, but I think that holds a bait in her own mind as to whether she is or she isn't, or whether she should have gone back to save, John or not.
55:03 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_03]: is what is pressing on her mind, causing her to stress, increasing her anxiousness, and that is what is, again, the trigger with everything else.
55:16 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you made that interesting point as well that this is
55:22 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: in a sense, another link here, another connection to Tony Stark's characters.
55:30 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they had those periods of doubt and anxiousness.
55:35 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he had proper anxiety attacks, which is similar to what we were just having here.
55:40 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he had anxiety attacks after the events of Avengers, which led into the story of Iron Man III when he couldn't control the attacks that he was having based on
55:50 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_04]: the experience he's had, that's kind of similar to Riri here, unable to control these attacks that she's having to the point where she has she's flying over the city's Chicago and she has to guess, naturally to land the suit that she can get Asian, get real air into her lungs, you know, she's inside the suit, unable to get the catcher breath effectively.
56:09 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_04]: So, and there's also that interesting connection there and it's been such a long time since the show's made that it took me a little while to hear it in the
56:20 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_04]: dialogue that was being spoken by Rue Williams, but you hear her saying, I can't breathe as she's falling to the ground, the overwhelming sense of the injustice that's been done to her, the injustice that she's done, the overwhelming sense of all of the things that are out of her control.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And that was
56:39 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the central slogans almost of the Black Lives Matter movement back in, in the time, this was being written.
56:46 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't breathe, which was taken from the murder of George Floyd.
56:50 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's being spoken here by Riri Williams, where she's just completely overwhelmed by everything that's happening around her, saying she can't breathe, saying that she's unable to catch her breath.
57:00 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_04]: an interesting connection that they brought that into this story of Ruby Williams, just that they have that included in this moment here, as she falls to Earth and is unable to do anything.
57:11 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And even, you know, we saw those previous couple of episodes, Natalie has always been able to calm her down, but Natalie can't do anything for her at this stage.
57:19 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Ruby is on the floor and the
57:22 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_04]: A.I.
57:22 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_04]: in the suit decides that she's going to need somebody else to help and goes and gets a V.A.
57:26 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_04]: In a kind of a foody scene where it has a very muesh version of Natalie in the suit, the Ironhardt suit goes to the window, taps on the window flying outside Zavia's room and gets into climb into the suit, whether he wants to or not.
57:40 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_04]: With A.A.
57:41 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_04]: using any words because she doesn't speak to him at all until after he arrives back in the suit to read me.
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, absolutely.
57:50 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting that the suit goes to get him to try and help her.
57:53 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And in a sense, it starts to work, you know, she does open up.
57:57 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_03]: She just, you know, she puts her arms and says, you know, I'm tired.
58:01 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think as well, you know, we've had that moment
58:06 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_03]: previously between these two characters which I thought actually was really really really nice were and you know she asks him again it just links to this whole weight on her when she goes to give Xavier and her protection watch and she you know she's struggling about who she is what she's doing and she asked you know am I a good person and he responds with you know well
58:36 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You're a smart person.
58:37 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You're hardworking person.
58:40 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_03]: You're a protective person.
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're a complex person.
58:44 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, spark.
58:46 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't always let people in.
58:49 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:49 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I like the kind of reference to Star Trek.
58:51 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, well, I always thought of myself as a hurrah.
58:56 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, you know, other than your complexion.
58:58 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And not really much to connect.
59:00 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_03]: There's not really much to connect.
59:02 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And I either case himself or so, spark is the one that's the intelligence officer.
59:09 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel as though this is an extension of that really.
59:12 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's effectively saying, underneath that hard exterior of the suit of armor, you know,
59:21 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_03]: like spark you don't let people in with that, but underneath that you have a soft heart.
59:27 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
59:27 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do feel when he's there calming it down and she opens up to him.
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And even if it is, just to say, look, I'm tired.
59:37 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm exhausted.
59:38 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm worrying, I'm panicking, I'm anxious, whatever it is with everything that's going on.
59:44 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like a continuation of that scene early and I just thought it was really, really well done.
59:52 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But then, of course, inevitably, it heads south very, very quickly as naturally reveals herself, certainly to her brother.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And who then turns around and say, you know, that is horrifying.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_03]: You have no right to use Natalie as one of your tech toys.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I really kind of like his response to her when she says, well, it's no different from your mixed tape.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Because, well, I'm honoring her with the mixed tape.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: You are freezing her in time with this recreation and fading that she's alive.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, and it comes even more home as he goes and touches her and sees that it is thinner, effectively.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a projection.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, it kind of goes south really quickly and Xavier is really not happy with what has transpired in the end.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, again, another emotional crutch
01:00:56 --> 01:01:03 [SPEAKER_03]: lost here, at least and again, compounding her problems and anxiety.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and even more than that, he throws the watch off the protection watch that she gave to him to protect him like she gave to her mother.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So kind of think that's there because
01:01:14 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_04]: We may be seeing, say, if you're being punished for what Riri's done, seeing that he's very close to her.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So, now he doesn't have the protection watch on, because he threw it off himself onto the ground.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of where we leave it with Riri for the episode.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's two other characters really that we haven't mentioned too much in the episode, at least in the beginning.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And let's get onto our case number five tonight.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be a jail break.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And Zik is in prison for a while.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you've mentioned already.
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're talking to Zik in there.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_04]: He seems really pissed off as a how.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_04]: really he's been treating him like a petal and child who gets what she wants out of everybody around and not caring about about them.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_04]: He's tried to hide this side of himself for so many years and he gets a visit from the hood who walks invisibly into his into his eyes.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I love how are you guys are great now I'm hallucinating.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely absolutely but you know I like this conversation between between Zik and Parker Robbins.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Parker's not
01:02:20 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Take it a back by the fact that this is Xavier Stain.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_04]: He says to him, I can tell your greatness from the type of tech that you left behind, and the type of tech that that rereads been using.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_04]: That's definitely your greatness.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And you need to break guys of this life that you created for yourself as Joe McGillick, a terrible name, by the way.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can tell you worked in a mid-level job, had a mid-level life, and a mid-level house, and you could have true greatness.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And gives them the opportunity to
01:02:50 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_04]: pull off the shackles of that old life and embrace him being his e-cule stain or zik stain as he's been calling him really from the beginning.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, so I really like this offer.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_04]: It really feels like one of those moments in the MCU where two supervillains meet for the first time and one eggs the other on.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it feels like by felt like to me.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, and it felt really, yeah, as you say, it just felt kind of natural just saying we have someone in common.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I like how it's kind of also, you know, it really spooks out re-re-re because he says, well, you know, I'm getting a new tech specialist.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_03]: He's getting a new text specialist because, you know, Parker says that he knows that she used someone else's text.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, he knows that she's lying.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_03]: He's intomating this through how he's speaking to her.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, and that she should have come to him if she needs his help.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_03]: She shouldn't have just gone off on her own back.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know,
01:03:55 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_03]: This is him recruiting his new tech specialist in as he is he still staying so that was really good and then seeing him break out of prison with the help of slug where the lights come on I just really really enjoyed how that sort of was realized
01:04:15 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just because we haven't really seen enough of the crew around around the hood.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think, you know, we've got a lot of re-re-signed.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got a lot of time spent with most of the characters.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_04]: For example, Xavier, we probably need a bit more of him on screen, but this crew that's...
01:04:32 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_04]: been featured in the episodes.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We get little moments with them.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_04]: So having this moment of slow using their abilities to get Zeke at a present, I thought was a really good use of their talents, a really good use of this character and showing their abilities.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have the blood siblings who are gathering together all of Zeke stuff.
01:04:52 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_04]: They're getting all of his equipment, all of his stuff together so that they can bring him and get him ready to go straight off the bat once he joins the gang.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And he doesn't
01:05:02 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_04]: wait a second before starting his new as new path and getting himself a getting his experimentation going against to get to get all the beyond bionics into it and creating this interface with his with his brain stams.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like I've went for this for years.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't want to do it because everybody will think I'm obadied.
01:05:18 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I was I was saying son and they'll think that I'm that I'm somebody else and then he goes no I'm bracing it immediately and that because
01:05:26 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_04]: setting himself up.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I love that he even shaves his head like in the comic books.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the hair course and it's like straight out the comics.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Immediately ten times more evil.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, looking.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I love reading.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't slow call them a bargain based on the version of Jason State.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they do.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Say it was like really, really good.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and how this gets going.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, although it also looks pretty terrifying because it's too drill bits heading towards his temples and sort of rotary saw blade over his head.
01:05:59 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So absolutely.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm there kind of like just going and we're seeing a set it like surely you do this without a set it.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But does anybody remember they'll build Bixby incredible Hulk TV show because this looks exactly like the experimentation you see in the opening credits every week going into the show just the way they have that the red light with all the spires on us on the side of his head that looked exactly like incredible Hulk to me and so I wonder if that's a little inspiration that they had there
01:06:28 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And one little change that is being made during the experimentation, which I thought was quite interesting.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think what we've mentioned at the Snapses there, John, is that Slug deletes the administrator.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_04]: He has the subject listed in there as Eqilstein, and the administrator was also listed as Eqilstein.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_04]: You see them deletting at Aish and putting in the name Parker Robbins as Admin.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he's not going to get everything he was.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And then look like he's going to be in control if he does put all of the implementation.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's interesting as well.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The code for this is from Madra Paul and you hear a slow say I could do a lot of damage with this.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So like there's a familiarity here and staying saying he got off the black mark is but
01:07:18 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Slug is kind of impressed by the level of coding that's gone in.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_03]: She recognizes it from that quality from when she was in Madraport and what she could do with this.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, leave it in as is.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they might see a change.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you see her changing the admin to to Parker.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, really good.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But then, ultimately, we have Parker.
01:07:50 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the sort of the dark eyes and that when he's in the lift.
01:07:56 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, as I say, dark eyes, always for me demons supernatural, so maybe I think Mifisto and Dormon are a little level pegging again after this.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And he wants Riri's head here as he tells his crew that she was responsible for the death of John and killed him.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: seemed to be out the blue but I did like how it all it was all culminating in this kind of move you know almost like the reassembling and the rise of his gang as effectively re-re is
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_03]: sort of dismantling.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't just seem out of blue.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_04]: It seemed like they needed an extra scene to link it to what's going to happen in my episodes.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So the had to have him in a room telling his, telling his crew.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And it just, that's all I felt like.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wasn't even sure they were in the same room as you say.
01:08:56 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just going up in the lift and he's saying the words and they don't seem, they're all reacting to it.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's not really a moment where they're going, oh my god.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Really?
01:09:06 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The person that we were working with for the last couple of months has killed the cousin John.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been working with the last couple of years, you know, there isn't really any reaction for everybody.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_04]: There's just kind of have a reaction.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's more of a non-termination thing.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Our boss told us to do something so we're going to do something.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was, yeah, I definitely.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I also couldn't stop thinking about what you had described, which is when he does take the cloaks hood off, and his hair just seems to stay in the shape of the cloaks.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder as just he's wearing the hood so often there that his guy, he's got hood hair.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He does, he has some, some people have bad hair, others get hood hair.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Some people have hood hair.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_04]: That's dope.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And he notes for the episode, don't anything we haven't mentioned that you'd like to mention.
01:09:52 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we do see Parker in an ice bath here, submerged underneath, just before he sees the executal story of him being arrested.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think that links in a bit to, you know, we saw all the veins being covered up, all that kind of creeping vein, almost like that spread of
01:10:16 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_03]: disease or bad blood and you know, we saw John trying to cover that up.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_03]: John's no longer there.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_03]: We had the reference from John.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this place is really warm in here, but then we have really knowing that there is a significant heat energy source.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_03]: connected with this cloak with the hood and and it doesn't say how long will Parker survive being in this proximity to it so we see here Parker actually been quite comfortable in an ice bath and for like eleven minutes
01:10:54 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It did say eleven seconds.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was like eleven seconds.
01:10:58 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it'd be enough for me.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're eleven.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, no seconds for you.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably true.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can be able to deal with that.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Enough that you would do that.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not sure I'll be able to cope with it.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Much better than you, but I think slightly better.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's certainly not eleven minutes later.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Very either of us.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: No, sham.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Good stuff.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got two quick notes.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_04]: To mention them, where just because I've mentioned them in the previous three episodes, the iron heart is framed on the wall at the beginning of the episode.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:32 [SPEAKER_04]: When they're talking about cousin John's death and they put the picture of John the wall, you see iron heart and a frame there.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_04]: As we mentioned, they're shown up in different places in each of the episodes.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And because we're talking about a TV show, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we have Whiskey Watch for this episode, because in the Drinks Cabinet, in the Hipes that Parker and John break it to, we do see it going live at twenty-one in the Drinks Cabinet.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_04]: A fine Whiskey there.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It is very nice, very nice.
01:11:56 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent, excellent stuff.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's it for all of our notes and points on this episode.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_04]: John, do you defend Ironhardt season one episode four?
01:12:05 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I do defend episode four.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Bad magic.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I know the name is Zelda and not Phelma, but I'd give this four and a half mystery machines out of five.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: A magical mystery machine.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:19 [SPEAKER_03]: The magical mystery machine.
01:12:19 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: The magical mystery machine.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really, really enjoyed this episode.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_03]: A because we have Xelma in there, which I was not expecting.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not expect that Ronnie's friend, Maddie Stanton, well, or Maddie, as we knew her from the kitchen, was going to turn into Maddie Stanton, had mother of Xelma, educated at Camotage, and being a little bit of specialist witchcraft that she talks about, she had great pride in
01:12:56 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_03]: The skills that Zalmer had, so I really loved this introduction of Zalmer.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know Mom say something like because she was able to educate herself at the side of Kamartage, her witchcraft is different than she would learn there in Kamartage as well.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It's coming from really good spells.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Very proud, Mother.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed having Zalma here.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope we get to see this grouping again.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it'd be really important, certainly in relation to that connection to the hood.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_03]: As always, I want to see more of the hood actually, and it's starting to think that Park has been a little peripheral.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_03]: as leader of this group.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it felt more like that because it wasn't connected to the group.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And this episode and the death of John, so we got kind of fragments of Parker and in relation to the fragments of the cloak, I like how this developed through this episode.
01:13:52 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just liked also the development of Riri, sort of Anne Herring, Xiosy and Panic attacks.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:11 [SPEAKER_03]: getting ever more and more to the point now where Natalie is unable to sort of help calm her down and get her out of that funk really.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So I just thought this was really a really good episode.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, four point five magical mystery machines out of five.
01:14:22 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Derek, do you defend this episode of IronHard?
01:14:27 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's pretty evidence that I'd defend this episode of really enjoyed it actually, I must say.
01:14:32 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_04]: It just feels like something special that we have Zelma here included.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we could have had any magical character.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_04]: The magic has been established in the MCU all the way back to Dr. Stranger's exactly as Zelma points out here.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And we've had, I guess, all along last year, so you could have had a character in there, which would have been nice too.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But for us, it feels really special for me.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_04]: It feels really special at its own, but particularly, that is the one that is joining this character in the MCU.
01:14:58 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_04]: This is an iron heart.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of cool to have Xelme in there.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope we're going to see her beat up with America Shava as in the future.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Stay in contact with Ruby Williams, that would be a really cool grouping of characters together.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:11 [SPEAKER_04]: That would be awesome.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_04]: It just gives that extra layer of something very fun to add to the show.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: When you have that character coming in here.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And the panic attacks continuing for Ruby Williams, the overwhelming sense that she can't deal with everything that's going on around or even though she wants to protect everybody, she's pushing herself way too hard and not looking for the support that she really needs from the people that are around her.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And then when she does, um, to Ronnie's point or a mom's point, even when she tries to get the, the help from her, she's lying to her.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:50 [SPEAKER_04]: She's, she is telling Riri that she can be helpful to her, but Riri's going, no, no, no, I'll make up an excuse and not involve you in my life, basically.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So, and something's going to have to give them, she's now in a really tough position.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And she now has possibly two supervillains coming after her with
01:16:01 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_04]: and the hood coming after and all tooled up.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So lots of interesting stuff in this app.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Blades of stuff.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You're looking forward to watching the other two episodes.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Can't wait for episodes five and six now.
01:16:13 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And also to determine the age-old question of is the hood
01:16:18 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_03]: powered by doc magic from the doc dimension, or bad magic from the hell dynamic.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bad dimension, yes.
01:16:28 --> 01:16:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.
01:16:28 --> 01:16:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.
01:16:29 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think with that John, we need to take case an old bottle of Glen River, twenty one and head down to the student pool.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's fine to down there.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not there.
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you disjames and well.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I won't just Jamison, but it was in my mind and I was thinking more of like a bells Scotch whisky.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, just the cheap top shelf.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's all cheap top shelf because we live at this side of the world.
01:16:56 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's all quite expensive whisky if you live in America.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So they probably have some kind of cheap whisky.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe there's a bath whisky that you guess at Daniel Local Pub.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_04]: It's called Burp.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Certainly is.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Jack Daniels.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we need to call in Jessica Jones to get her her recommendations on cheap ass whiskey for the student club, but I'm not note we're gonna give our next question in our ironharts MIT student pub quiz John question four
01:17:22 --> 01:17:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, a question for is, what is the name of the realm that Zelda transport Riri Ronnie and her mum too?
01:17:32 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, fellow defenders, you knew it was going to have to be connected to that same material, but didn't you?
01:17:37 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And it is a very good answer.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you may need to subtitle time to get it.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: What's the question one more time?
01:17:45 --> 01:18:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Question four from episode four is what is the name of the realm that Xelma transports really Ronnie and her mom to Fantastic that's question four of six questions once we get to the end of the season with all six questions you can email us two feedback at TV podcast industries.com with your correct answers and you could be in with the chance of getting your hands on some iron heart goodies yes fellow quizzes fellow defenders good luck with your answers
01:18:13 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And with that, we got a little bit of feedback in in this episode.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, at first up, uh, by email, we have Coffee and vodka, who says greetings fellow Fleshy frame defenders.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Now this was a comic book come to life with all the pathos and foreshadowing at Chris Clermont levels.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that they don't like Riri or agree with her mess of a mindset.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: She's exactly what she is supposed to be.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_03]: A confused, headstrong kid with good intentions, a truly flawed hero.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And the villain vibes are strong with the hood and stain in this one.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_03]: The tears of the rings of hell promising a certain long delayed demonic appearance, hood vengeance,
01:18:57 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Broken AI loyalties and techy transformations round out the sofa, best episode of the sofa, good series.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Four re-regrets, digitally dishonoured memories, and super villain team ups out of five.
01:19:15 --> 01:19:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Peace and take care, coffee and vodka, and the
01:19:19 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Oscar four out of five goes to coffee and vodka for four reread that's very pretty very good and yes, okay, so then the rings of hell.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like we just looked like sort of a bad cold or sneeze.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just had to draw a man move with a firey head, but yeah, rings of hell makes sense like that and it's very good coffee vodka.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and yeah, I see you've got the similar feeling is me that it's just that that's that
01:19:49 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Marvel's super villain team up moment.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And that just feels like the two characters just getting together as you go.
01:19:56 --> 01:19:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you know that wall crawler, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, let's get together and take him out.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:02 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like the sinister sixies to do in Spider-Man with us.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: No, excellent stuff.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Coffee and vodka.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks coffee and vodka.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, run our Facebook group, we got some feedback in from Dr. Bob Phillips who says, on this episode, I didn't expect to find the sorceress to blind in a crystal shop or the sun slipping into the ways of a father via a slick reincarnation of a cyberman come, conversion machine.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And kidnapping was not a by list of AI nightmares either.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_04]: What an episode.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, plus medical interest note, if you Google a rhythmic ab igne, you will find a similar pattern than the one both John Hood is developing.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Both John Hood is a
01:20:41 --> 01:20:43 [SPEAKER_04]: for the hood.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so we I have Googled it and that does look like the pattern that we're seeing on Parker's back developing as the more he wears the hood.
01:20:50 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_04]: It does look quite similar just like a burn mark coming.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
01:20:54 --> 01:21:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really it's actually really quite surprising and of course just because we all talk about AI or AI overviews decided to say that
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Arithma Avegney E.A.I.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_03]: also known as toasted skin syndrome.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, is a skin condition caused by prolonged exposure to low grade heat or infrared radiation.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it isn't magic, John.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it is infrared radiation.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just infrared
01:21:24 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all the mobile phones.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Set them.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:31 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got too many mobile phones and devices setting off stuff.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:33 [SPEAKER_03]: That is causing his skin to get like that.
01:21:33 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I also agree with your doctor Bob and another AI nightmare to add to the list is that a huge may arrive at your door or kidnap you whether you want to or not throw you somewhere in the street.
01:21:44 --> 01:21:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_04]: That's great, doesn't it?
01:21:46 --> 01:21:50 [SPEAKER_04]: AI has taken over my house, not in the window and dragged me out of my bed.
01:21:51 --> 01:21:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Note to self, must be more polite to... Hey Google.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, always say thank you to Tratchy.
01:21:59 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_04]: The Terminators will avoid us in future.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff, we are recording the day of release for this episode, so hopefully we'll get some more thoughts from Dr. Bob and Kaffeevaka, and of course all of our fellow defenders like yourselves, before the end of the season now, we'll be recording the other two episodes towards the weekend, but they're all available now and doesn't plus that means we have to go and watch them jump.
01:22:19 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it certainly does.
01:22:21 --> 01:22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Let us get to the world of the hood.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Or both Robin Hood.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Both John Hood.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Both John Hood.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's me.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Could be you.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Could be me.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It is you, John, of course.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, yes.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Until then, we will be back next time.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Later on this week with our chat all about Ironhars Episode five.
01:22:40 --> 01:22:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Carmas a glitch.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice, and the second Oscar goes to the right shoes of IronHards.
01:22:47 --> 01:22:48 [SPEAKER_04]: If we were naming that episode, that's pretty cool.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, excellent stuff.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much for joining us.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Touch it again next time.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you so much, Felicia Fenders and of course, quizzes who are joining us until episode five.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep watching, keep listening, and of course, keep defending.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
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