Derek and Chris are back to discuss Invincible 403 "I Gotta Get Some Air". The return of Machine Head is always something to celebrate but did an ill thought out post credit ruin the episode for Derek? Find out in our spoiler filled podcast.
Invincible 403 "I Gotta Get Some Air" Synopsis
Created by: Robert Kirkman, Ryan Ottley, Cory Walker
Episode Written by: Ross Stracke
Directed by: Stephanie Gonzaga
Machine Head informs Titan that Mister Liu survived their attempt on his life and is hunting them. He first sends Magnattack to assassinate Titan but he’s able to get the better of the attacker and kills him. Concerned about Mr. Liu’s attack, Titan tries to get Invincible to help him but he sends Oliver instead. Oliver is overpowered by Mr. Liu in his dragon form.
Back at the guardians base, a Sequid appears from inside Rex, which Monster Girl destroys, but it raises further questions over whether Mark’s choice to murder Rus Livingston was the correct decision. But as the Flaxans return and attack Earth, prompting Mark to join the Guardians to finally push back the forces his father had defeated before.
During the battle Robot and Monster Girl enter the Flaxan dimension to destroy their technology from the other side, discovering a highly advanced civilization that poses a major threat. But as the rest of the team try to travel through the portal, a fleeing Flaxan destroys it, trapping Robot and Monster Girl in the other dimension.
When Mark learns that Oliver has been put in danger by Titan he fights Mr. Liu, forcing him to retreat and almost kills Titan until Oliver intervenes.
With Liu still free, Titan is forced to join Machine Head's Order for his own protection. But as he joins the group he learns Mr. Liu has also returned and both of them will now report to Machine Head.
Meanwhile with her powers going out of control a concerned Eve finds out she is pregnant.
Invincible Season 4 Cast
- Steven Yeun as Mark Grayson / Invincible
- J.K. Simmons as Nolan Grayson / Omni-Man
- Sandra Oh as Debbie Grayson
- Gillian Jacobs as Samantha Eve Wilkins / Atom Eve
- Christian Convery as Oliver
- Walton Goggins as Cecil Stedman
- Zachary Quinto as Rudy Conners / Robot
- Melise Jow as Kate Cha / Dupli-Kate
- Ross Marquand as The Immortal
- Ben Schwartz as Russ/Shapesmith
- Seth Rogen as Allan The Alien
- Jonathan Banks as Brit
- Jeffrey Donovan as Machine Head
- Todd Williams as Titan
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Thanks so much for joining us for the first three episodes of season 4 of Invincible. We'll be back next week for Invincible Season 4 Episode 4 "Hurm". We hope you'll join us once you've watched that episode too.
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00:00 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the invincible podcast on TV podcast industry, and we're talking about invincible season 4 episode 3.
00:06 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a guess in here.
00:08 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the point that come into a place like this when you can't drink?
00:11 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: See, your destination guy always in a rush to get somewhere you're not.
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Me?
00:16 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more about the journey, the vibe, the ambiance.
00:22 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If we don't stop to smell the roses, every once in a while, well then, what's the point in anything?
00:28 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You can smell neither.
00:29 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: to shave if rocks could burn you'd be on fire tonight my friend but my point still stands what do you want machine did world peace upon me my name and lights the list goes on light not titan you should be tap dancing away out of bed every morning
01:13 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back fellow guardians to the invincible podcast on TV podcast industries.
01:19 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about invincible season 4 episode 3.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta get some air.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I am one of your hosts of a dynamic duo.
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I am called Chris.
01:28 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And the other, it's like the last dynamic duo, although I'm back on my feet, just thank you very much for those of you who've been asking, I am back on my feet now of no courage to send you more Chris, yeah, but I can still put I can still push you over really easy.
01:44 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I had my last, well, not my last physiotherapy, but a really good physiotherapy appointment where they gave me clearance saying I'm all good to go and I went over to London for a week.
01:55 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: On holiday instead of like meeting up with my friends or my family or like going out for dinner, I flew to London for five days.
02:02 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to London for a show at just off the West End and then went to a concert.
02:06 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
02:07 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, just off the west end is kind of like just off Broadway.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like off off Broadway.
02:11 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of off off off Broadway.
02:13 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not only the web or musical though, so it's quite as pretty much Broadway.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: My first one ever.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
02:19 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you have to have your gay card revoked by the way.
02:24 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I do like musicals, but only sci-fi musicals like War the Worlds and they'll chop a horror isn't stuff like that.
02:32 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no Jesus Christ Superstuck, not for me.
02:38 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, but very quickly, before we get into what can only be described as a tumultuous episode of Invincible, this week we also saw the
02:57 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: trailer for a one and only Marvel film and it would be rude of me not to quickly give our fellow guardians my 30 second review of that trailer.
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03:22 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but jokes like, look, I am so happy to really be diving into this fourth.
03:29 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_02]: What can only be this fourth amazing film within that franchise?
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Jill, I cannot come fast enough.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I am intrigued.
03:42 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The trailer gives you just enough, but also
03:45 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I've already seen 50 different variations of people's theory quote unquote.
03:51 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What is happening in is and I'm like, okay, even if one or two of them with these are right, I'm like, this is cool.
04:00 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like we're going back to the goal-nage of kind of Marvel films and never we never really left.
04:06 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: We did.
04:07 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just mean the goal-nage and that we're gonna get a really, like, for me high-octane happiness film.
04:16 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: in July, and then end on a high Avengers moment at the end of the year.
04:23 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's frankly in a Daredevil and a Vision Quest in between.
04:26 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully it's just, I, I, we're eating good.
04:30 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We certainly are, and you know, again, to reiterate after Wonderman, which was such a surprise and fantastic show that came from Descent Daniel Kretten and he's following it up with the brand new Spider-Man movie trailer just dropped.
04:46 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man movie.
04:47 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, we're never going to get back to the days where everybody agrees.
04:50 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We just can have a good time in the cinema, so you will get detractors from there.
04:53 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All the way, tell the movie comes out in all the way afterwards, telling you you shouldn't even like us.
04:58 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll just enjoy it as we always do.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot wait for it.
05:02 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking for it.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yes.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely right to call it a Chris.
05:05 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very exciting to see that drop and I think I've watched the trailer about five or six times It's already beaten the the number of views and that grant theft auto got in the same period time So one of the highest future is of all time Yeah, the highest train view trailer of all time Be saved the competition and a lot of that was me
05:25 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was way more me.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not here to talk about Maro.
05:30 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not here to talk about it.
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We are here to talk about events of bull.
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05:52 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: but you can also leave us a voicemail or you can use feedback there or sending your thoughts by email to feedbacktvpodcastindustries.com but Derek, I do want to get into this episode and you want to kind of discuss it.
06:07 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So before we do, could you tell me who gave us what we're when and how with the episode you does please?
06:12 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the show, of course, is based on the comic series written by Robert Kirkman and let's try to buy Cory Walker on Ryan Otley.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This episode was written by Ross Stracking.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a second episode.
06:21 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He also wrote the excellent, all I can say is, I'm sorry, that's the episode that had paraplex from last season, really, really tough episode.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So Ross back on board for this time.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The opposite was directed by Stephanie Gonzaga.
06:34 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This is her first episode directed by her for an invincible worked on lots of animated shows.
06:39 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Most recently worked on Gremlins Secret of the Maguire, which is being credited with the return of the Gremlins movie.
06:46 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The reception of that animated show has been, is the reason why we're getting a third live action movie of the Gremlins.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So, kind of cool.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_02]: very cool.
06:55 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Gremlins.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially the second.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But I know people do not agree with me.
07:01 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the second one.
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like an arch egg.
07:04 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the first one.
07:04 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Really different.
07:08 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great fun.
07:08 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Great fun.
07:09 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris, do you want to tell us what they gave us with the synopsis?
07:12 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Four.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Invincible 403.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to get to mayor.
07:16 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
07:17 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Machine has informed Titan that Master Liu survived their attempt on his life and it's haunting them.
07:24 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He first sends Magna to assassinate Titan, but he's able to get the better of his attacker and kills them.
07:30 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Concerned about Mr. Liu's attack, Titan tries to get invincible to help him, but
07:36 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: receives Oliver instead.
07:38 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Oliver is overpowered by Mr. Liu in his true dragon form.
07:42 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Back at a Guardian's base, a sacred appearance inside Rex, which monster girl destroys, but it raises further questions over whether Mark's choice to murder Rosalina Winston was the correct decision.
07:54 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But as the Flaxon's return and the Takers, prompting Mark to join the Guardians to finally push back the forces his father had defeated before.
08:04 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: During the battle, robot and monster enter the flex and dimension to destroy their technology from the other side, discovering a highly advanced civilization that poses a true major threat to the Earth.
08:16 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But as the rest of the team tried to travel through the portal, a fleeing flex and destroys it, trapping robot and monster along the other dimension.
08:26 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, when Mark learns that Oliver has been put in danger by Titan, he fights Mr. Liu, forcing him to retreat and almost kills Titan until Oliver intervenes.
08:38 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_02]: With Liu still free, Titan is forced to join Machinehead's order for his own protection, but as he joins the order, he learns Mr. Liu has also returned, and both of them will now report to Machinehead.
08:52 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, with her parents going out of control, a concern to you finds out that she is pregnant.
08:58 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, so this episode like it kicks off with machine head, but this is machine head's episode.
09:02 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen him for a good while, um, I love machine head.
09:06 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I love his voice.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the treatment.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I love his jokes.
09:09 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really glad to have him back.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a fun one.
09:12 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It really is just good to see like they've threaded through the Titan and the machine that storyline so well.
09:19 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've expanded it on from the comics slightly, but not majorly, but enough that you're like, oh, they've given, I suppose even just giving Titan a voice and giving nearly more into his family and that kind of backstory, you're like, oh, yeah, I understand where he's coming from.
09:39 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But even taking that step back and seeing machine head in the bar, for example, you're right, the delivery of the voice and the delivery of that.
09:51 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like him swirling the drink with a nice cube and type and go, you can't even smell the drink.
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Why why are we here?
09:59 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just the delivery of the ambiance.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all about the ambiance.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a crime boss piece of kind of thing.
10:10 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It is pure.
10:11 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got it.
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
10:13 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That kind of brings into our point to go on our point number.
10:15 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: One is Titan versus Mr. Liu as set up, really by machine head.
10:21 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the conversations bar that the clip you heard earlier on and the one Chris was talking about there.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But
10:27 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really machine-head moving everything back into place, you know, he was formally a leader of the order and wants everybody to fall in an Ethan, and the initial part of his instruction to tighten is, you know, I got my own protection, and it turns out it's nice.
10:44 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: even though we all work together to take at Mr. Liu, he's coming back and he's going to be going for you.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay because I'm part of the order.
10:52 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were part of the order, then you'd be okay too, right?
10:56 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I love that kind of setup and tighten kind of dismisses this until we see the assassin magnetac arrive.
11:07 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's such a weird one because his apparel is essentially
11:15 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And the same as Biden does kind of yeah, yes, and his power is he control like like piece of metal But he just wears them as armor and then fires the buff that like sharp angles and I'm like, oh, yeah, like it is kind of cool.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I never
11:33 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Hotsa character like into that.
11:36 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a cool book in the comic books.
11:38 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you see it like again, it's one of those when you see some of these things in live action or animated action, I should guess.
11:47 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very cool.
11:47 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It was very cool because you just see them.
11:49 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the basic magnet that takes out like six guards, security guards, and all through like beheadings or taking their just all in a very gruesome kind of habitations.
12:05 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think even just that image of all the metal pieces going into Titan as well, you know, it's it's almost like Titan turns into Magnetac by the end of the fight.
12:13 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's covered in Metal all over a minute Until he Titan takes a nice completely.
12:20 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that he and Titan has literally So we speak of the board.
12:25 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He had one in the center of his forehead and then like pointing up and I was like, oh
12:34 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Titan's rock well, yeah, I was like oh, it's gonna be like like is that penetrating like it's covering his body Or it's entire body stone like you know, just wondering what I was like the thing or is it as it A covering that covers over the top of them, you know, yeah, you very much feels to me that it's very he is essentially Colossus from the MCU comics, but he just puts rock on top right his skin like his skin's covered in a rocket versus
13:00 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: classes who skin covers in metal.
13:05 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah there's only so much depth to the rock I think because see you break off so it's just like way.
13:13 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah let's try and see it's face underneath the back and out for rock yeah yeah.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But that is the set-up of these battles throughout the episode, really.
13:21 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We see Titan trying to beat back Magnetaki takes some age and then realizes Mr. Lou and the dragon are going for him pretty soon, so he tries the trick he tried last time, which is trying to get invincible to take him down, but invincible is very busy with everything else going on in the episode.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So Oliver is sent to help him out, right?
13:41 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and Oliver has no idea your Titan is or any of the backstory, so you're just kind of like, oh yeah, it makes sense, Coralie.
13:50 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I do love seeing when Titan's daughter runs in, and you see Ali Oliver just being
13:57 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: who he is, because he then just goes, right, why are we doing this?
14:01 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this strong enough?
14:02 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And just picks up the desk and hold it on one finger.
14:05 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And it is, yeah, that's a thing a young teenage boy would do.
14:09 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, yeah, I'm flying.
14:11 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting to see they've really expanded on showing how, say Mark and Oliver fly differently.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Do that because
14:23 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He is very more acrobatic.
14:25 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He reminds me more about Nightwing, like versus Batman.
14:29 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think in that, he does a lot of cartwheels in the air and twists, where we see a somewhat version of that in Mark, but nothing to the same degree.
14:40 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark is a bit more brutal and kind of direct.
14:43 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But you see that how out of her flies, he is more life more kind of acrobatic.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And you see that as he flies around the room,
14:53 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: in Titan Types going we should be charging you more because he does all these kind of weird loops and I was I only noticed it then and it became more prevalent right the episode as Oliver is hiding from spoiler alert Mr. Luke is back and from
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
15:13 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a spoiler?
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a spoiler?
15:15 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a spoiler.
15:15 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a spoiler.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a spoiler.
15:18 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:18 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's pretty brutal watching Oliver get beaten down.
15:21 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we solve at the end of the last season, getting beaten down by conquest when he tried to help Ash mark in that massive fight.
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And here he is again, completely out of his death.
15:35 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He is very powerful and he is probably
15:38 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: getting up there, you know, he's only been a hero now for, we can't really tell with with highly ages.
15:44 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's a little bit of a hero for a year or so, I guess.
15:47 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But he is more powerful than he was and more disciplined than he was, at least last season.
15:53 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But Mr. Luke kind of takes him out pretty easily as the dragon rush.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:58 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you a question?
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you notice anything?
16:00 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we didn't get these screeners, so these are we watch this on Prime at the same time.
16:07 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you notice a weird kind of animation difference between Mr. U.
16:13 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Now and Mr. U. previously in terms of the Dragon and stuff?
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
16:18 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Lemke had sent a piece of feedback into us on episode one, which you ran to here for Chris, so just to mention it, saying that the team behind creature commandos were apparently tapped for some of the animation for this season, that there's been extra
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: this season's animation.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was actually going to ask you the same question.
16:38 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen an upgrade of the animation?
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed the upgrade?
16:42 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not seeing the name of the team that I didn't see any mention that there is specifically the team from there moved over to join the team at SkyBand animation.
16:51 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just listed a SkyBand animation everywhere I've looked.
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't see that.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do feel the
16:58 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: the best around the nation this year certainly yeah I know a fence I don't want to work on the previous seasons with them with Mr. Liu and the dragon form I think just you can feel there's a bit more money here as you see this dragon fight and the dragon chase if you will against none of it because
17:14 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: They're destroying the buildings.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They are like the dragon is perched in a way that we never saw before.
17:22 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was very interesting.
17:24 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And they reminded me of some of that kind of animation and the money they put into say critical role in a black smakana and the mighty nine where you can see
17:36 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: the animation is very quality and takes in that depth and kind of show.
17:42 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So the reason I asked was I felt like these attack parts are, and especially when Mark joins as well, and there's the two of them go against Mr. Liu in the striping form that you can
18:01 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark knocks the dragon into Ali and then Ali knocks the dragon back down and you see Mark fly down, put on his flight break whatever he can as a stop and then goes back up and hits into the dragon and whatever way they brought together both the animation and the sound direction and perfectly timed it.
18:27 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: you, you can almost feel or see or hear, well, actually all of those things.
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
18:34 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The punch, that makes sense.
18:36 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a kind of very visceral, I use this sort of lot when I talk about these things.
18:41 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it is because it's just, you can hear almost the bone crunch.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is it is a crunchy.
18:47 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a crunchy kind of effect.
18:50 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
18:51 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_02]: hot stuff to you guys you really kind of up to your game because it's we've seen the dragon fight before let's be honest we saw it already so how do you open when you put two people fighting the dragon and you give it way more destructive but you also bring in these kind of more visceral kind of sensory pieces to make people kind of go oh this is cool and it's like an interesting thing
19:15 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, you know, and part of it's going to be that they're getting better at their job.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of the things that's most difficult to better show like this.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It is hand drawn animation.
19:23 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: There's hundreds of characters at this stage.
19:27 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the most difficult things is keeping the consistency there.
19:30 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a hundred members of the team I mentioned this before, but there's a hundred members of the team in the US and a hundred members in Korea.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a massive animation team now working on this show.
19:39 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Bush.
19:39 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The big thing is season three, season four were commissioned together, and as they were completing season four, season five was commissioned.
19:47 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So this work is ongoing constantly with a team that's been working on it for a number of years now.
19:53 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the joke really is look at the first episode of the Simpsons, look at the Simpsons after 30 years.
20:00 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you see the difference in animation, that's there.
20:03 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: While the characters are the same, they still
20:09 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: doing it now that it's so much better and so much different.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The same kind of thing is happening with invincible.
20:15 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They are putting more money behind it, but they have a lot of talent behind the scenes.
20:18 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they probably are drawing on people that have worked on other shows like Mighty Nine that we had a director from Mighty Nine did the first step.
20:25 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So this season, so
20:27 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: potentially they brought on board their knowledge of doing dragon battles and from the duty show that was mighty nine so yeah yeah absolutely I can I can see the upgrade and I think it's it's always great we talked about the last season the upgrade and we talked about the season two the upgrade from season one but they used to just have one moment a season or one moment every few episodes that stood out now it seems to be three massive moments in an episode where people are beaten the hell out of each other and they look incredible so
20:56 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of beating the hell out of someone, Mark, Navy kills Titan.
21:01 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: This is, again, this is the thread that we kind of solve, really coming to a head in the previous season, and this kind of opens with this season, I'm kind of now, we've seen it coming into this episode,
21:20 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he right to kill?
21:23 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he right to give into that anger and the bulge on my side of him?
21:31 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it okay to tap into that strength?
21:34 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That strength?
21:35 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I eat, like...
21:37 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_02]: the anger by the is the Voltschmitzite and it's it he needs doesn't dare be killed Biden except that's all over steps in and kind of reminds him no no that's not what we do which is interesting it's nice because that was the last argument last season yeah yeah you know like this is this is
21:55 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: A thing now from Mark, so Mark knew it was wrong to kill people.
22:00 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows drunk to kill people, but it's becoming the easy way out for him.
22:05 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the decision that it went, that the path that it went down to Mark to make that decision to kill an extremely heavy was massive, absolutely huge, and then conquest.
22:15 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And he thought he'd kill conquest.
22:18 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's kind of, as we mentioned in episode one,
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's kind of a decision to make an everyday snack.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, if I kill this villain, who's up in a bank, then he won't rob a bank tomorrow.
22:26 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's kind of, it's getting to that, um, arbitrary decision that he's going, well, you know, if this person is a live tomorrow, they might do the same thing again.
22:34 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He specifically made and dedicated, um, decision at the end of season three that anybody who threatens his family will, or puts his family in danger, he will kill them.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He will take them out completely, and that is specifically what's happening here,
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: put Oliver in trouble.
22:51 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very difficult for Mark to fight against Mr. Lu in his dragon form before and now Oliver's facing Dan the dragon tightens not taking care of his business and Oliver's the one that's been put in in the crosshairs.
23:05 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So
23:06 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Technically Mark is just acting out to the promise that he made to himself that anybody what's his family and danger will be will be taken out by him.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I get it.
23:16 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's weird to see your central heroic character who said all along don't kill anybody it's weird to see him make this decision over and over every episode who's he going to kill this time, you know.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
23:27 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I'm going to look, I'm going to use this as a segue into our point two because we do see people start to question was mark right to kill those living's.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's absolutely.
23:38 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And much like everyone has a book, everyone has an opinion and they are quite different.
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_02]: answered and talked about by everyone.
23:57 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: In particular, even robot, who is like, he is questioning, he's the man who was thinking that Vince will went too far in some of the discussions.
24:08 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And then here we see him go, well, hold on, even the battles.
24:12 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: like this with the circuits and how like was Mark Wright to try and stop and cut off the demons head it's right to to take that methyl approach to stop the bad guys constantly coming back and getting in and coming back and you do start to see
24:32 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the question of what side of history will you always be on?
24:38 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you start to see the positives and the truth in this angle, which is, is there a right time to kill?
24:48 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you go back in time and kill baby Hitler?
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Could you do that?
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it right thing to do that?
24:57 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And I suppose I find that such an interesting,
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: question.
25:03 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Not just in general, but a question to be posed in your animated show.
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That you may not guess it like some of your other more like heart-hitting dramas.
25:16 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They're putting this to you in the superhero show that is and they're like talking about it after a
25:23 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_02]: 18-secret has just squirmed out of a guy's myth.
25:28 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were talking about it before, importantly.
25:31 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So Rex was a newly named Rex, as well as myself in general, we're talking about formally, really.
25:38 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And has the second come out from inside of them after he's had a share.
25:41 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They, everybody's talking about weathermark, made the right decision killing Ross, but...
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: the this is the twist, right?
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, do you kill Hitler?
25:51 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you kill Hitler, actually there was quite a lot of people in Hitler's team that followed his teachings and did all the horrible things that the Nazis did.
26:00 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If you kill Hitler, the Nazis probably still would have happened unfortunately.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And what?
26:05 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is showing it was, was Mark Wright to kill Russell Livingston.
26:09 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It stops the situation from happening.
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If he'd waited a couple more seconds, bulletproof would have been there.
26:14 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They could have removed the sacred from, Russell Livingston and Russell Livingston would still be alive.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And that could have also stopped all of the sacreds.
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: and we find out here that all the circuits aren't gone.
26:24 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so, was Mark Rice maybe for that particular second that he made the decision he made a decision, thinking in retrospect about it, maybe it wasn't the only decision that could have been made.
26:38 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And we learned that he didn't actually kill all of the circuits by doing what he did.
26:42 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so that's the interesting
26:50 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Kill people in his path for various reasons, and he may not be leading to the definitive answer that he thinks it's leading to.
26:56 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and may here, let's put this pose this for our fellow guardians.
27:01 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: There, I will give, I will, and I will give my answer.
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
27:06 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you, what is your viewpoint?
27:09 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Was Mark right to kill Russell Evans?
27:12 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, my view point is no, and I don't think it'll be a big surprise why my opinion is that because I never believe in the death penalty.
27:22 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So if there is a death penalty, the person is dead.
27:25 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not punishment.
27:26 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Punishment is living with your crimes.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So killing somebody means they don't have to live with it, right?
27:30 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Easy.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So what's finding a way out of the situation?
27:36 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: way more experience people that made that could come up with reasons why you would kill somebody else, but mine is punishment is you must live with the circumstance or live with what you've done.
27:46 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: In this case, especially because Bulletproof was all most there, Mark and making this decision to do what he did, and then we find it now that he didn't kill all the segments to me that means it was the wrong decision and he made us, it's a choice he makes, he's a leader of a, he's going to live with it.
28:05 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I see I'm the proponent of the I love the Charlie problem which is this version of which is like do you sacrifice one to save three for me this is I think he was because
28:20 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_02]: you don't know whether you it was the diff that one second difference is the difference between the segments getting out and like we don't know if Butterfree was 1.5 seconds away the thing still goes down and the segments get out and get further away and they just need one additional host.
28:42 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that very interesting where I do think he was right in that moment, if that makes it said, based on available information, so I am, yeah, I found that because I talked to so I talked to someone, but I loved the Charlie problem because that was fun when you add in those additional.
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love them.
29:00 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the ones who they go, you know, but if you could save that group over there and or one person that you love, which choice would you make?
29:08 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you make a choice differently or one of that one person over there was Hitler?
29:11 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you let the trolley hit them instead of it and the person over there, you know.
29:16 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all very close.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all, yeah.
29:18 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
29:18 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But there you go.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the end of our second point.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Put that brings us to our third point.
29:24 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
29:25 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The flaxons are black again.
29:27 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you've read the comments, Chris, you know, so a lot of the stuff doesn't come as surprise.
29:32 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if placement does it have they moved things around at all.
29:36 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's some things moved forward, something back and something's just kind of kind of jumbled.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least it's stuff like this happens to go, oh, well, okay.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is happening there.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Where is it?
29:48 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Bit of a surprise.
29:49 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason why I'm saying it is just because I mentioned back in episode one, a character like it's her and are coming in, played by Dan Agarera from the walking dead.
29:57 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she comes in for a couple of scenes.
30:01 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She says something like, you know, the beacon of your planners is reaching out to the galaxy and I came here to take all of your parents to save my
30:11 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But that can't be the only time you'll ever see a turtah.
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She will come back at some point in the future, keep an eye on her.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what happens here with the Flaxons.
30:19 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They were a thresh that was taken out by Nolan in the first episode.
30:23 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it our second episode?
30:24 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought that was the first episode.
30:26 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes to their planet, destroys the civilization.
30:30 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we see them returning because the civilization moves in different times.
30:35 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Then our civilization does so they're able to restart.
30:39 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: all of their plans and all if they've been doing for this entire time that they've been in their own dimension is making their plans to come back to Earth to continue their attack and maybe take down the planet that have no then take each all of their people, I guess.
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:54 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And like it's generations, centuries, the past.
30:58 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So I find it, it's such an interesting, it's a fun one because you've seen the evolution of these guys are trying to attack where they originally walk through and then they start to fall over, they've been walking through and they have, they they last a bit longer than they walk through and they have protection on the wrists and then Nolan destroyed everything.
31:16 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
31:16 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I also love the whole idea where everyone thinks Nolan,
31:20 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_02]: to sway to the getting back and he was gone for months and then in actual fact we we know as an audience that he kind of went full full to my yeah
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I like seeing this.
31:39 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I do also like seeing that they've learned and they understand what a little joy can be.
31:43 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So they have two flying weird circular robots that can let you take on mark.
31:50 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And you do see the guardians are struggling here.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it does get interesting.
31:56 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a fun middle kind of.
32:00 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Problem posed to robots, racks, I, like, how are they doing this and him and monster are going through saving only a few of the humans, not all of them, by the way, keep that in your, like, notice that there was, they say there's multiple human vehicles filled to humans going through.
32:19 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's only just one of them kind of free.
32:22 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So you see monster and racks be stuck on the other side.
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, yeah.
32:26 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, with what is they see to be and Rex or Roba saying to everyone, they have a true armada level of like it's it looks like doom if you will.
32:39 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It is not level of imperial hardcore and kind of sea jelliments coming on the other side.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So then getting stuck there so cool.
32:52 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
32:53 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: there is something very specific about those two characters getting stuck there that I'm wondering what's going to happen with them.
33:01 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, Rudy was only born back in season one, right?
33:06 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he was the the form that was created.
33:09 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a young kid inside the body of robot and monster girl was de-aging and going backwards and age and was about, they're both the way at the same age.
33:18 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They're on
33:18 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: early teens are younger, effectively, and now they're both in another dimension that age at a different race than ours does.
33:26 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're wondering whether they will come back from there and they will be older or whether they come back from there and they're still the same age and everybody else is much older.
33:34 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, will they stay at a younger age and I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen, but the fact that it's the two of them and not anybody else from the Guardians is a very specific choice, right?
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
33:47 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_02]: In the immortal words of Dr. Who, it's all timey, why me?
33:51 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely.
33:53 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do love the, um, the flex in the gets through, uh, the, the portal, uh, as the rest of the gardens are a bait to cross the threshold, uh, and he cuts off the portals, uh, trapped, trapping the flaxons on one side, uh, them on the other, and, uh, the portal shuts down as he gets cut in half, uh,
34:12 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: For a sacrifice, effectively.
34:14 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Just think it's great.
34:15 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really cool.
34:16 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I know this show is bloody, right?
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I like I've seen it for like four seasons.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Seeing someone cut with a portal in half for whatever reason, maybe.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Huh.
34:28 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's say to just like we literally saw decapitation.
34:34 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
34:35 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_02]: two episodes ago, and I'm like, that's the one that way I went, oh, that's not thankful.
34:41 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is where every day I only get this show to speak to me and go, hmmm, okay?
34:46 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they've gone that far, but again, they went further and another way, and it's just whatever way it's shown, and I think it was a squelching noise, and that's probably what God has put in my mind.
34:57 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy, I, again, yes, I read the comic books back to back and most of the time, so, not really, nothing really shocks me unless it's net new and
35:11 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: the flaxons is not but again seeing how they get to point A and B and C the journey is interesting and I really enjoyed this battle like seeing like jumping back and forth between the flaxons and Oliver and
35:31 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_02]: and Mark and Roboth and Monster Girl being on this like just how they caught and how they decided to storyboard this bottle.
35:42 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I found that particularly interesting.
35:45 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely.
35:46 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really good and I don't know a little bit of a trope there but I kind of like the idea that when Rex and Monterrey go through a British wants to follow them through, he thinks they've made the right decision even though they're going against orders.
35:59 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The flip of what happens back in the the second battle where Robo went on to grand and Brit was telling him he can't go against my orders effectively.
36:08 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's quite interesting.
36:11 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You did have that.
36:13 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Brett really come to the forefront and I was the leader of the team, but he's really come to the forefront of the last got the episodes and I didn't know who was towards the end of last season at all, I had no idea who the character was.
36:23 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But did you enjoy the Captain America homage?
36:28 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the whole scene actually had a touch of the Avengers, the Battle of New York, when we have Monster Girl come and die in the side of the building, just like Hope did in that battle.
36:38 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there was actually one in particular, which was Winter Soldier, where you see
36:45 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember where we you had Captain America fall out of the plane and to get on to the boat?
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Brick does the exact same.
36:55 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Looking at the the rest of the talking and then just fall in backwards.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
37:00 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:00 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh yeah, because he is your Captain American.
37:03 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's British.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's your Captain American.
37:05 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he's voiced by Michael Aaron's side who's not in.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't sound really different, though.
37:11 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it takes me a while to catch Jonathan Banks' voice.
37:14 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, for many, many years we've seen him.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You've known him for this many, and never introduced him.
37:21 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like community, he was on, and one of my favorite shows.
37:24 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Wise guy was on loads of other stuff as well, of course.
37:27 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So known as voice very well for many years, and he just sounds very different to this show.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I'm always surprised.
37:33 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, again, him being called Britannoppin voice by British actor is a bit of a surprise too.
37:38 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like I was I'm personally in my head he was always Michael King right just a croff Michael game as how I heard of him before he was voiced I guess in Joe it's just short for Brittany yeah rather British but the cutting off of the portal which leads to the death of all the flaxons that are left on this dimension on the other side of the portal
38:02 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all dying of old age, and I love that the visual of the mold just growing old and dying.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool, that's the... From the link to the dust.
38:10 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very... Yeah, I love it.
38:12 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:12 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But that brings us to the end then of this kind of episode and kind of does set us up for...
38:18 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: episode four in a week's time.
38:20 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But Derek, do you want to wish we get into the post-credits before we get into any notes?
38:24 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, surprising post-credits over the last couple of episodes.
38:29 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether we've mentioned it really as much as we should have, but he's been losing your powers every time that she tries to lose her powers.
38:37 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: they're falling in in themselves.
38:40 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: First saw this back in last season when she took all the marks close off when they were about to have sex and then the clothes got this kind of ripple effect on top of them and it's kind of oily ripple effect and now all the way through this season in various battles we see Eves not been able to use her parers, she's been trying to train yourself back up and all of her stuff has been falling apart and we find that the reason behind that in this episode that she's pregnant, let's see.
39:04 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, much like all other parents I can say this.
39:09 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes, because it is true, children ruin everything.
39:14 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
39:28 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: how they kind of show not oily as you say that crumbling of her powers, especially when she's going when we see her kind of like pull together her sore and so when she builds that um she's out training as you said and she kind of builds the huge kind of cylinder and it smashes into nothing as it kind of into a puddle.
39:52 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Seeing her here in the bathroom it's an interesting
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very sad.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's call it that.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
40:00 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, the question is, how they move forward with it in the next episode?
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Or do they have a talk?
40:06 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:07 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
40:08 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
40:09 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:11 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I really wish everybody's theory about what was happening was right.
40:15 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The theory that our listeners had thrown in from episode 1.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you've missed out on a talk about it was because of,
40:22 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Eve using this exceptional power that she'd used at the end of season three with conquest this ability that she'd used that she'd never seen before She'd never been able to use before maybe she'd overextended herself and she may need to retrain herself to get herself back to the Eve that we've known I think that would have been just so much better for a character but it's just too soon in the tale of Eve and Mark to have Eve being pregnant and that's affecting her power and it just feels like such a
40:52 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say, it just feels like such a trope for a female character who becomes a hero to go, well, they're pregnant and they will have to deal with her and Mark dealing with becoming parents young.
41:02 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If that's the way they go, of course, this is literally just the post credits scene that's happening in this episode, but I just think it's a bad choice to make this part of the character this early in the journey, you know, absolutely.
41:12 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: due to season 2, but have herself and Mark fighting as equals for a bit longer.
41:17 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Loved her and Mark and Oliver all being this team invincible in, killing that's a cool idea, and I'd love to have seen that gone on a bit more.
41:25 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Nah, they're going to have to deal with this as the story line just feels like an easy choice, I guess, which I'm not a fan of.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the interesting piece that we talked about as literally,
41:36 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: in the comic books you are 60 to 70 comic books deep in a story where there is more story there's more this panels and stuff and then I know each episode that we're in how is an era long or 50 minutes and definitely more than so than others but this still is also great this is the problematic element of them jumping forward in a lot of storylines
42:07 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_02]: cozy moments between Mark and Eve, where they're just kind of like they're doing.
42:12 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And we get, we get a sprinkling of it almost at the beginning of this these episodes where they're kind of coming back to each other and they're talking and they're kind of relying on each other on all questioning the death that was it the right thing to do about it.
42:28 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They're giving you some of those but not all of them.
42:32 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where you when you rush forward on some of these pieces
42:37 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_02]: some of it's just not earned if that makes sense in terms of and I'll give you a perfect example.
42:42 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_02]: We in this episode we see Sinclair, the Sinclair is back right and you have the his assistant or the other doctor there.
42:52 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The fun relationship back and forth kind of ribbing that we start to see part of is explored further in the complex because you have more panels and more dialogue.
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_02]: it's very rushed here, very rushed.
43:05 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of flirtatious joke that they make about the choices of words and things like, yeah, just doesn't land as well as it does in the comic because you have more time, more panels or the dialogue to expand.
43:23 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can understand where you're coming from on this, because it is, it is a choke.
43:28 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing
43:30 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I will remind all of our listeners and guardians of ours is that invincible husband and forever is that joke on the tropes.
43:40 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I know I think it's a third episode of three that we're released at the same day and to have it as the post credit scene makes it feel like a 1950s comic book.
43:52 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it doesn't make it feel like something interesting and interesting story line for Eve.
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's
43:57 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's making me feel as an audience member.
43:59 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to be sitting there going.
44:01 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, weaves pregnant.
44:03 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is not what a horrible thing to happen to prove.
44:07 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it shouldn't be that.
44:08 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It should have been somewhere in the middle of the episode.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing.
44:10 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Putting it in as the post credits scene at the end of the episode to explain why her life has come to crap.
44:16 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Just I don't know if it feels like after-school special just the way that it's delivered in the episode and I'm sure They're great writers.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great show.
44:24 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's not gonna play out the way I think it's gonna play out your short the way that it's set up, but I just think the way of doing it as a post-credit just felt a dick crap.
44:33 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't yeah.
44:34 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't I just don't see it as I don't I don't I don't think it's as good as this show deserves
44:42 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_02]: and fellow listeners, just remember don't have sex and if you do use protection.
44:47 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the end of our music.
44:49 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what?
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Be salute.
44:51 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh bang across the galaxy.
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
44:55 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But only one note is just one dimension just because we moved on from the first point.
44:59 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to mention that.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: the end of the episode with machine heads gang is that everybody's back.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Lou is back in that gang.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So is Titan.
45:11 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They are all near reporting into machine heads, which seems to have been his plan all along.
45:16 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I did really like that as a closed out of that storyline and he's going to go on.
45:22 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's just stop all the infighting and make a hell of a lot of money for each other.
45:31 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: line.
45:32 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, yep.
45:33 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If that have been the post-conocene, it would have worked out brilliantly.
45:37 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
45:37 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But overall Chris wanted to think of the episode.
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
45:41 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I like again, I knew how to put this.
45:44 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_02]: As I will say, and I have said many times when I don't use wrap up, I know where the storyline is going.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what some of those beats are.
45:51 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the journey of how we get from point A to point B to point C. And
45:56 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I will call it the animation feels like they stepped up a beat, strong, strong beat in certain parts.
46:04 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, seeing those pieces, set pieces, if you will, is fantastic for me.
46:10 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just so happy to be back in this world with these characters.
46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And see how they are.
46:16 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Landing the plane in the season if that's probably the best way because we know they have season five What they're gonna do with season six.
46:24 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think but that's my view to the uninitiated or the unknown
46:30 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: deck.
46:31 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your view on this episode?
46:34 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The uninitiated, that's me.
46:36 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, really enjoyed this episode.
46:38 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a phone episode.
46:40 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The return of the order with machine hand and Titan and Mr. Leo, I think that's a great story line.
46:48 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that the series overall had the opening episode with lots of characters and lots going on on earth.
46:55 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The second episode was really the story of no and no and no in it in space and the third
47:00 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: back with the crime bosses, pulling themselves back together and saying they're going to be making lots of money for themselves.
47:07 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a great episode, just that little button that I'd send in joy at the end of the episode.
47:13 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, again, it'll work out in the future, but yeah, I just thought it was a bit of a cheap way to have your ending every three episodes.
47:17 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully there's something cool coming down the line.
47:19 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there is.
47:19 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is,
47:28 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I also want to hear what a fellow guardians have to say about this episode because we have some feedback remember if you have feedback you can head on over to our discord or you can go to our Facebook group at facebook.com slash group slash team about this industry or you can just send us an email by emailing
47:46 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_02]: feedback at tvbugusindustries.com.
47:49 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_02]: First up, we have piece of feedback, an email from Coffee Bugger who had this to say.
47:57 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Greetings fellow Dragon on Defenders.
48:00 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Once again, so very much.
48:02 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The real reason for Adam Eve's power disruption can't see their child becoming a serious McGovern in the future if it survives.
48:10 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's never a guarantee in the Kirkmanbursts.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not.
48:13 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait to see how they resolve the monster girl in robot situation.
48:17 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But once again, the whole lack of guarantee thing.
48:21 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The alien Samaj Shara scene was a highly affecting, and even spying food for thought concerning Mark's secret solution.
48:30 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, who is your favorite character of the series?
48:33 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And what is it machine hat for me?
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, it's his...
48:36 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_02]: No F's, given while giving every F in the book, his machinations, the battle it caused, and the resultant Legion of Doom all make him, if not the most deadly villain on the block, the most interesting one.
48:51 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Loving the season so far, back to weekly waiting.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Five high-ball journeys
48:57 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_02]: East assistance and unexpected, unaccepted apologies here to five piece of take care, coffee and vodka.
49:04 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, coffee and vodka.
49:08 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like machine head.
49:10 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I love machine head.
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But Alan the Amin does also have something as well.
49:16 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You see, yeah, it's a close one.
49:18 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I can understand why in certain storylines and episodes
49:26 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say there's no phrase we often use absence mix the harker of thunder so having machine head back in the show is always a pleasure and we just have an Allen episode so yes that's part of it is so if we see Allen next week I'll love him again of course put it but machine head is such a great presence on the show really really doing it.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent stuff.
49:46 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for that coffee vodka.
49:47 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Moving on to our discord.
49:49 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We got some feedback in from Richard Blaze who says great to see Titan the machine head back chewing the fat with each other The wish shredder showing up to was nice to show what danger Titan is still in.
49:59 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Also nice to see Dragon Guy battling in a disused place as well I keep thinking the clean up costs of the cities must be astronomical not to mention the cost to keep sweeping up the aging aliens after each invasion
50:12 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: so far this is turning into a great season serious actions having big impacts across many of the characters just waiting till Thragg or I've said this probably gonna be a lot of cleanup after Thragg as well yeah i you know it is the thing with Mark in that first episode we saw all of the people he was interacting with from the guardians to the people of earth as he flies past or as he tries to ask you know can i help you and they're all given this look of your help
50:38 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: tends to lead to the end of buildings, or my home, or my friends, or my job, and so no, I don't want your help anymore.
50:47 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the show just having little nods to that where people go to areas that they can demolish, or that it calls them too much hassle, is quite nice, isn't it?
50:56 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because in episode one, dinosaurs did not go somewhere like that.
51:00 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_02]: He started there, did end it not there.
51:03 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, no, and it is a, it's a fun nod when you call that eggs.
51:09 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think you're writing the kind of the cost of the aging avians must also just be huge.
51:15 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you look at that, there's at least like 20 people that just get obliterated, like normal general population that get obliterated within the first few seconds of people
51:25 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: and there's more that die after and you're like oh yeah like the the body came on this show is quite high they're not including what i mean the general humanity body can if you will yes so uh it's definitely leaning into that for time source uh they can terms of that the more people that die the better for plums
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that sounds so us.
51:49 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely great stuff.
51:53 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for your feedback We will be back at next week a little bit later with our fourth episode of Season 4 of Invincible, which is called I think let's say you're an answers firm
52:06 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But the reason for that is because we are kicking off our coverage of Daredevil board again season two two episodes coming in next week As we mentioned, John himself will be covering this first two episodes and then Chris will be back with me here for invincible season four So I hope my voice holds up a lots of shows to talk about her
52:23 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because later this month, we are also covering the final season of the boys, and probably as we talked about not small shadow lords, the new animated Star Wars series from our friends over at the bad batch, but we'll probably hopefully get to that later in the year, as a nice kind of retrospective.
52:41 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But you do have the boys finale coming out, and they chose to do the premiere in Rown This Week, which was an interesting choice.
52:50 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... because we just got to see a lot of our stars of the boys in row thank you to our real battles uh... there you go i didn't make that can actually go to the final end of the roadman empire or the home lander empires coming
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