Invincible 303 Podcast

[00:00:00] This is the Invincible Podcast on TV Podcast Industries. We're back with the third episode of Season 3, You Want a Real Costume, Right? You told Mark that life isn't precious. That it's okay if some people die. Is that really how you feel? Kinda. Do you think my life isn't precious? Would you care if I died? Of course I'd care. I don't want you to die. I love you.

[00:00:26] I love you too. But think about all the other people on this planet. They all have friends and families who would be sad if they died. So just because you don't know these people doesn't make their lives less important. Do you understand? The model isn't enough friends or family. I understand. I won't do it again.

[00:00:55] You need to really mean it. I do, Mom. Okay.

[00:01:26] Welcome back, fellow guardians, to our Invincible Podcast for Season 3, Episode 3, You Want a Real Costume, Right? I'm one of your hosts, Derek. And I am Chris. We're back again to discuss this in full detail, the third episode of the three that were released on Prime Video today. Hope you've been enjoying the episode so far. We have. We've been enjoying this whole 80, nearly 90 plus minutes so far. Absolutely.

[00:01:55] And now we've just binged Episode 3. So we're now into that movie-level length. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. It's interesting, isn't it? Because the way that Prime Video dropped these episodes, all three of them at the same time, it does feel like when we got the Adam Eve special, it does feel like a movie-length episode of Invincible when all three of them come out like this. But there's so much going on. It is really detailed. Even in those 40 minutes, they tend to do quite short scenes as well. So there's so much going on in all these episodes.

[00:02:23] I wonder, is it probably the benefit of doing animated shows a bit longer? When you're doing live-action shows, you tend not to have very small scenes because setting up the filming of a scene takes a lot longer than it does to draw the scenes. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's why it feels like so much more happens in these 40-minute animated shows. This is also one where I kind of was also like, I keep forgetting it's a 40-minute. Yeah. It's also the same with Arcane. For those of you who watched Season 2 of Arcane,

[00:02:51] recently as it came out just before Christmas. Right. It's been so long since we get these 40-minute type animated. You're used to the Harlequin where it's 20 minutes, bish, bash, bosh, you're done, and the storyline. So sometimes what they do with these, where you get multiple threads and storylines, you're like, oh, God, yeah, back to this bit. Hold on. Okay, let's go back and start changing our mind over to this thought, this thread.

[00:03:21] Yeah. It's fun. Yeah, it is. And I will say this happens sometimes that we get screeners that have issues on them, but then we do have to contact the people that provide them to us. I will say, and we'll talk about the actual scene itself, but the opening 10 minutes of this episode with no dialogue, when we see the character's lips move multiple times, I absolutely was going to report this to Prime Video saying there's something wrong here. Same here. I was this close to texting you.

[00:03:50] Yeah, I was going to text you, but it was one o'clock in the morning when I was watching it, so I didn't want to text you that late at night to go, Chris, I think this is broken. We might have to put off recording in a podcast, but we will talk about it. But it's an interesting one when it comes out of nowhere and nobody's warned you that it's going to happen, that there is this silent scene, even though there's music underneath it. I was really surprised at that choice to open up this episode. Yeah.

[00:04:16] Do you remember the Radiohead scene from Season 2? Absolutely, yeah. That is what this reminded me of, and it just gets so much better because the Magnemaniac and Tether, which just, oh my God. Well, we will definitely talk about it because it reminds me of something way better

[00:04:44] than something that was in an earlier season of Invincible. I'll tell you that after we go through the details for the episode. Once again, this show was created by Robert Kirkman, based on his comic book illustrated by Corey Walker and Ryan Otley. This episode was written by Jay Farber. This is his first Invincible episode, but he's been a comic book and TV writer for years. He's written loads of comics for Image, Marvel, DC, and also wrote about eight episodes of Supergirl as well. Ooh. Interestingly, yeah. Yeah. This episode was directed by Saul Choi,

[00:05:13] who directed Season 2, Episode 1, and Season 2, Episode 6 as well. So third episode for Saul on here. Chris, do you want to give us the synopsis for Season 3, Episode 3? You want a real costume, right? Sure. Invincible busts two bank robbers with Oliver in tow, but he won't stay a watcher, and Mark has to bring him home straight away. Art makes Oliver his first super suit, but he wants to be called Kid Omni-Man.

[00:05:39] Art and Mark try to explain why humans might have a problem with that, but his brother just isn't listening. Meanwhile, across the city, Mr. Lou goes to Titan to get his help breaking out multiple. He sends Crisk and Furnace to the prison where Invincible goes to stop them. But, worried his brother might get hurt, Oliver follows him and interferes yet again. Invincible beats the criminals up and drags Oliver home.

[00:06:08] But Debbie, seeing a news report that the remaining Guardians of the Globe went up against the Mahler twins at an army facility and haven't been heard of since. Mark goes to stop the Mahlers and is once again followed by Oliver. Mark tries to send Oliver home, but while he stops a nuclear weapon, Oliver kills both the Mahler twins in front of the Guardians, believing he is doing the right thing. Debbie finally gets through to Oliver,

[00:06:37] who promises that he won't kill anyone else. But someone is watching in through the cameras outside their home as they all hug. Such a happy family. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's just your standard mother, son, adopted half-son, kinda, from your alien husband and his alien wife, but the kid's purple and only two years old but nearly 13.

[00:07:07] Yeah. Just your standard. And a murderer. Oh yeah, and a murderer. And a psychopathic murderer. Like, full on, no care for life. It gets, it gets, like, if you wanna hit a kid, this is the kid you can hit to kinda slap some sense into him. I'm not advocating violence, but come on. Yeah. That kid's just like, hello, no, you can't put your fist through people. I think the problem with that, Chris, is if you do hit Oliver,

[00:07:36] he will probably put his fist through you. No, violence begets violence. No, no, but he could also put his fist straight through you without much effort, it seems, from this episode. But let's start with the nicer part of the episode, the opening scene from the episode, our wordless opening as our first point. This was really interesting. Seeing Magmaniac and Tether Tyrant characters that we saw earlier on in season one, I think it was, they were working for Machine Head,

[00:08:06] who used to be the leader of the mafia, I guess, in this city until he was taken out. We see the two of them breaking into a bank at the beginning, being taken out by Bulletproof, being captured by Bulletproof, and then they try to change their ways and over the course of this 10 minute scene, we see them trying to go straight, but things just going worse and worse for the two of them until they eventually end up homeless. So, they see the bank that they had robbed reopening, and they decide, well,

[00:08:36] since everything's going so bad, we can use our powers and go in and raid this bank, but are stopped by Invincible, who takes the mesh with Oliver in tow, and Oliver wants to get involved. But all told, without dialogue, all told, with just music underneath, I thought it was a really interesting story. You know, we don't get to see much of the villain side of things. They tend to just be in there to be punched by Invincible or the Guardian of the Globe or have a massive overarching plan.

[00:09:05] These two are just bank robbers. So seeing their day-to-day and seeing them being pushed back into this life because people are ignoring them and people aren't giving them work and aren't allowing them to live the straight life is really well done. Yeah. And it's just also like they try to be good. Yeah. Like, that's the interesting thing. And again, I'm going to keep talking about this.

[00:09:33] The piece I love about Invincible is it does humanize and adds a realistic touch to your characters. And be it the heroes or the villains or the psychotic children. Hey, Lee. First and foremost, I'm glad we both thought that our screeners were broken and we both had the exact same thought and then noticed the time. It's bad that both of us were up at that time in the morning.

[00:10:03] We have to fit in a lot of stuff around all the rest of our lives. So a third episode of Invincible, it was late at night. So yeah, you know what's going to happen. This is going to be released on Prime Video and everybody's going to go, what are you talking about? There's loads of dialogue between those actions and those actions on the way through. Oh God, I really hope so. Because for me, no, I do, because it was so much better without dialogue. It was. It is some of the most moving moments. Seeing these two characters

[00:10:34] who before we never knew were a couple and never were there for each other and getting a backstory where you're like, even the two of them, just the wordless dialogue where you see an emotional magnamaniac just really trying to bring Tether down who was just beautiful. Beautiful. You said you had, it reminded you of something outside of the last season. Yeah, this really reminded me

[00:11:04] of the movie Up, the opening scene from Up. Oh, true. Where they tell the story of their life silently and it becomes the impetus that drives the rest of the movie of Up. It becomes the overriding driver of the main character of Up, what happens in that opening sequence. It reminded me of that. It's not the same, of course, but it's the fact that we see Tether Tyrant in the bank at the beginning with Bulletproof and they're questioning their decision even at the start there because there's

[00:11:34] a kid that's crying and is really afraid of the two of them when they're breaking into the bank. You can see that they're going, what are we doing here? We shouldn't be scaring children. That's obviously a really bad thing and that carries through to the end of the episode at the end of the scene, I suppose, when they come back to the same bank and you see them having the same reaction again. Magmaniac is seeing another child who's terrified of the two of them, but they've tried everything, you know. You see them working the grill in a burger bar and Magmaniac's

[00:12:03] using his powers to try and cook the burgers but hasn't got control of them so he burns the burgers and they get fired for that. You know, it's like they can do nothing else other than be criminals with the abilities that they have. Yeah. I thought you were going to go for The Last of Us. Okay. With Bill and... Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Because there was a scene where it was just over music with the two of them. Frank and Bill, yeah.

[00:12:32] There was a scene there where we just got these two characters who we were slightly interested and then we got their backstory and some of it was told with just music and I was again... It's the only thing you can do when you just take two characters in the background. No one really gives a hell about it. Yeah, absolutely. And then you just explore that character. Who was thinking of Tether Tyrant, you know? Yeah. But it does give me a question about Tether Tyrant. Are his tethers sentient? They seem like they moved on their own. They are. But he can control them somehow? No. Not at all? He can...

[00:13:02] He directs them. Yeah, okay, okay. But they are sentient. Interesting. Yes. Because there was just a moment where he takes the pack off effectively and they're still moving. Which I thought was quite interesting. There's an interesting part in the comic book so this is why I'm interested about this because this makes me feel that they may do something with that later on. Okay. But it's definitely an interesting thing with Tether Tyrant. And I do wonder this scene was really, really good. I absolutely loved it. I think it's one of the most creative things we've seen

[00:13:30] in Invincible so far. But I do wonder how late the decision was made to make this completely worthless. Because there were definitely scenes when Oliver and Invincible are talking to each other when they arrive at the bank to arrest the two of them to take care of Magmaniac and Tether Tyrant. And the two of them are actually having a conversation between each other. There's also scenes with Tether Tyrant and Magmaniac where they're having conversations with each other. And it feels like the dialogue is there somewhere but isn't.

[00:14:00] They decided to drop it out for effect. Yeah. I'd say so. I think that's probably... I think this is some college... I was going to say some interns like, hey, I have an idea. Just watch this. And they're like, you're hired. Well done. I hope it's the other way around. I hope that this was the decision of the great director of the show who went, actually, you know what would be cool here? If the first time we hear a voice in the episode is Mark giving out to Oliver for once again

[00:14:29] trying to get involved and trying to be a crime fighter when he hasn't done any training, that would be a great way to kick off this episode about the things that Oliver does, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a great choice. And moving forward, moving our conversation, speaking of the things Oliver does, our next point, he's just like his dad. Yes, he is. Okay. Taking the first part, which I enjoy partially

[00:14:58] from the most part is bringing us back to arts. Arts is our tailor. He's the character I love. He is that man that makes the suits for the superheroes. Yeah. And he's played by Mark Hamill, so you always want to see him back in the show. Always. Always. I forgot it was Mark Hamill until there was a certain point where he said a word and went, oh, there he is. There. There's Luke Skywalker. Yeah, exactly. There's the Joker. Yeah. It was literally, there's the Joker. It was that more,

[00:15:28] he had that twang. I love this. I love that you do get that joke of I'm Kid Omni-Man and you see both of them because he's a kid. He just wants his father to be proud of him and even love. He wants to kind of rehabilitate the name Omni-Man. Yeah. Because his dad to him was a hero because he doesn't know what humans know. He hasn't seen, but he also has a different

[00:15:59] approach to life. Yes. Let's call it that. Yeah. That's the bigger thing and that's what kind of develops as the episode goes on. You realize Oliver knows exactly what Omni-Man did to the people of Earth, but Oliver doesn't care. I mean, he believes that if he does the right thing, which is stopping bad guys and saving people, that they will instantly go, well, then that's fine. You can do whatever you want because you have the right to do it because you're special, as he calls it. Humans aren't special

[00:16:28] like Oliver. They're just normal things and that's how he treats them as the episode goes on. That's where it gets more and more scary. That's where it gets creepier and creepier, what's happening with Oliver and his opinion about everything around them. I mentioned this before. This is the reason why I watched episode one. I wanted to see the progression of Mark from the minute he got his superpowers because I remembered it weirdly that it was that Mark threw a bin bag

[00:16:57] when he was working at the Burger Mart. He threw a bin bag and it disappeared and then two episodes later you see it landing in London, I think it was. I thought that that was what happened with Mark's powers and then he went home and told his family. But the first thing Mark does is build his own super suit and go out to fight crime. It's literally the first thing he does before he tells anybody that he's going to do it. So he is caught by Omni-Man going out, trying to fight crime in exactly the same way as Mark is catching Oliver here.

[00:17:28] So I like again that now we just have the story of what happened with Mark who got his powers at 17 wanting them when he was about five or six years old. Now we get that played out through Kid Omni-Man here through Oliver who is rash, he's impetuous, he's now powerful and believes that humans are just normal things not special like him and they can die and so can bad guys because bad guys did bad things and they should die and then they'll never do bad things again. Yeah.

[00:17:59] And it's going to get, it takes, it's interesting that it takes that speech from Debbie but as a part of that you're not even sure well hold on, let me take a step before I get into the Debbie speech, okay? Just one thing. The Moller twins are dead. Yes they are. Yeah. The Moller twins, the whole point of this Moller twins were like one would die and then they cloned themselves

[00:18:29] as long as they wouldn't know which is the twin everything was fine. Which was the clone I should say, excuse me. Now both of them are dead so unless there's a third no more Moller twins unless it was the Moller triplets. Yeah, it's really interesting isn't it because we know that Angstrom Levy got all of the Moller twins from multiple universes together and lots of them died in the big explosion that created Angstrom Levy but usually what would happen would be

[00:18:58] one of them would pull themselves out of this accident out of this situation drag themselves home sort themselves out clone themselves and then wipe their minds to not be able to tell who the clone was. Yeah, exactly as you say. So that's been the kind of post-credits scene almost having been slaughtered

[00:19:27] by Oliver right in front of the oldest members of the Guardians of the Globe and I think the choice is really important there of who it is that's there when Oliver does this act. It's the members of the Guardians of the Globe that saw the rest of their members slaughtered by his dad. Yep. Yep. They now can see this two or three year old who looks like a twelve year old killing people just like his dad did and having no remorse for it.

[00:19:55] Mark has to pull him away from the situation. He's shouting at Mark telling him I did the right thing here. These guys have always gone out and done bad things. Now they're dead. They can't do any more bad things. Tell me what's wrong in that. Mark has to pull them away with the other Guardians of the Globe looking on going uh oh this is a really bad situation and we can't do anything. If we can't stop Mark and we couldn't stop Omni-Man what are we going to do about this kid Oliver? Yeah.

[00:20:25] I yeah I yeah so I've talked I talk about this in terms of some you and I both know this but there's always this fun thing when they turn they adapt a property that you love into um a TV show or an animated show or a movie or something and you have the thing that I enjoy called the burden of knowledge which is you know where storylines go Yeah

[00:20:54] but at the same point I am so interested to see how they adapt on this character because for me Oliver is always that and is that psychopathic kid that just he's the kid that you who has a gun he literally is the the analogy if you give a 12 year old a gun and tell him

[00:21:24] to go be a superhero what's he gonna do well yeah he he's going to literally shoot everyone because he doesn't have the same universal experience that someone who's 18 someone 20 someone 40 has just a position of Mark where he turns around and goes you killed the person who hurt mom so

[00:21:53] why is that bad why isn't that bad and Mark it is but it was he says it was an accident he didn't mean to do it because again he's also trying to say that anyone shouldn't kill they should put them in jail etc but then you have Oliver going no it was necessary because if you put them away you put them down they can't come back to hurt people again so which is better yeah and then you get that note of

[00:22:23] but they're not special like me so it doesn't matter humans these lower levels they're not they're not important so we're fine you start to bring all that together and it's only this conversation with Debbie where that he he's it's a tough one because again sorry for me it's that kind of like is it going to happen is this actually the truth is this what is this a kid just admitting it because it's just like I love you too

[00:22:53] mommy and for me they just didn't land I know that's a weird piece because it just it's so instantaneous it's like for a kid that has just put his hand through a mauler's head yeah to flash forward to well I understand that my my adopted mommy is important to her so therefore she might be important to other people but that's not what we're saying his whole thing is killing bad people

[00:23:23] yeah it's yeah it's just a weird one it's interesting and I suppose that's the the choice here that Debbie makes is she will treat him like the toddler he is he's two years old three years old yes he might be advancing in reading books and might have more knowledge in his mind and now has super abilities but none of those things change the fact that he's only been alive for two years he's only been alive for a very short amount of time so she deals with him like a toddler she says to him

[00:23:53] do you love me yes of course I do well don't you understand that other people on this planet have people they love too and you can't decide to take that away from them you can't do that and then she catches him exactly what you said she catches him that he may have automatically said it to her yes of course I love you mommy he may have automatically said it so she makes him repeat once again he will not kill anybody that is not what they do but yeah is is he just automatically saying

[00:24:23] is he making a real promise here does he even know what a real promise is he's two years old you know he hasn't had the experience of what happens as as life goes on so yeah she does treat him like a toddler she does make that decision to treat him that way so that's that's pretty interesting and you can't go put him on a bold step so yeah there is also an interesting one there's a moment in the fight between Mark and Kersk and Furness who went to the prison to free multipole oh yeah there's a moment in that fight

[00:24:53] when Mark's kind of battling against them and then they hit Oliver and Mark looks like he's about to lose it with them he beats them oh yeah and he knocks them out he takes he takes them out but it looks like Mark is going to kill the two of them because they attacked Oliver which I think is also an interesting dynamic we may see Mark go full protective of his brother and lose it himself in front of his brother thereby taking away that whole conversation that Debbie's had with him

[00:25:21] if Mark does things well surely then Oliver can do them as well right that's kind of what's going to be in the head of Oliver we heard it already if you killed Anxium Levy yeah okay it might have been an accident but you killed him I killed them it was an accident too that I killed the Mauler twins but it was right too yeah it was right that you killed actually we didn't want to but he may have killed me and mom so it was right and he's made that justification and made that leap in his head that him killing the Mauler twins is also right so yeah

[00:25:52] scary watch this space again we're three episodes in we are to an eight episode arc and again each episode its range assume 42 to 47 minutes yeah there's a lot of space in story here absolutely absolutely one big thing we didn't mention just in this point obviously we got Art making Kid Omni-Man's outfit but he also makes a new outfit for Dark the Dark Knight of the Invincible World yeah the blue and black one

[00:26:22] which I've heard about since before the first season came out so I don't know what it means but in story here from Art's point of view it is that Mark is no longer working with the Guardians of the Globe he will never be going back so therefore Art's making him a brand new outfit to distinguish him from the Invincible that worked as a member of the Guardians of the Globe and what that actually translates into is that people think he's impersonating Invincible and start calling him Invincible oh well poor Mark I love it but Mark

[00:26:52] Mark says the bit that it really kind of for a lot of comic book readers and for people it kind of starts to feel which is it's a bit grim a bit dark that's kind of where we started to see the storyline is a lot darker the thematic elements that are going to kind of be thread through this season are darker it is that good versus bad what does it mean to be good like Cecil said it in the last episode about being

[00:27:21] a good guy yeah you can't always be a good guy well absolutely that was all about that arc in the second episode it's also interesting when you look at the arc here with art as well when Mark went into him the first day to go and get his outfit art tried to push the outfit that eventually became Bolt Proof's outfit the red and yellow one on Mark and he was like oh that's way too colourful way too flashy give me something a little bit lower than that so he gave him the blue and yellow one and now here we are

[00:27:51] he's going back into art and art has decided that his new costume needs more black in it now that he's left the gardens of the lobes so he's pushing him into these darker costumes so will he go back in next year and it's like black hole coloured it's going to be the absence of light is going to be Invincible's new costume but yeah some really interesting stuff out there I'm going to bring in the post credit here before we move on to the final point because the post credit is really tied into this literally

[00:28:21] just the two screens of the writer and director that go into the post credit but the post credit is basically someone's watching on we see Mark jumping out the window when he sees this camera that's flying in this drone that's flying in their garden and he crushes it in his hand and then we see the other side of that scene from the perspective of the drone where someone is watching on and just says the line what a lovely family who is it is it titan is angstrom levy back because nobody

[00:28:51] dies in this show is it one other version of angstrom levy who's watching on this household that ended in his death or the version of his death I don't know I have no idea who it is the wrap up on we get a nice couple of scenes with Rex explode and shrinking

[00:29:20] ray and the rest of the team team and we also get a scene on eve so I love this rex ray piece in the scene with two of them in the old new york east staton bridge one of those bridges they basically it's the old teen teen digs which is in one of the bridges in new york yes we've seen

[00:29:59] it says after they come out going oh that was the old rex what i really meant was which i thought was really good fun but yeah they're snuggling up a little bit i think yeah and it's an interesting one one one one

[00:30:56] you're seeing you're like yeah it's just it's just another fun piece where you have such a you could just do nothing with these supporting cast members but they are building them out into being proper proper characters proper supporting characters where you're getting invested in their lives especially rex rex it's just i suppose what's interesting about invincible is that it takes the time to focus

[00:31:25] slightly differently than other shows would you know it does especially animated shows it feels more like something like buffy the vampire slayer where you get you know yes there's a couple of villains in the background but it is mostly about the characters and mostly about these the guardians and invincible every week you know you're getting some storylines about each of the main we have eve meeting up with amber because eve is now going to college

[00:31:55] the reason why i particularly like this is because we learned the reason she's going to college is because she's doing these architectural structures and some of them have collapsed in the past she's taking some architecture classes so that she knows how to build properly i thought that was a really cool little touch we learned last season that mark's never going back to college again because he doesn't believe that he would use anything he would learn in college yet eve's going to college because she has to learn how to be better and develop her powers i thought that was cool but we learned that amber knows all about

[00:32:25] the relationship between eve and mark and always wondered whether the two of them were together because william told her the relationship as started of course william would tell amber that was quite cool and then a bit of a weird one for eve she's moving back home with her parents because she wants to oh rex says that doesn't he rex says it's because you want to be close to mark isn't it yeah

[00:32:55] smoochies yeah but it still feels it still feels like she probably could do that from from a bit of a distance way yeah and again but she's going to college you know she needs to be real it's gonna there's too much to it there is and then just the other last thing i suppose maybe last note from me mention in the synopsis about this mr. loo character who wants to get multi-poll free and goes to titan oh this

[00:33:24] is the one that really threw me when i was watching this episode without subtitles and trying to find out what characters names are and who people are and who are they talking about i completely forgot what titan looked like because i think we saw titan in season one and the last time we saw him was in a scene in episode eight which was a massive episode with mark beat beaten up by omni-man so i don't remember that scene but i forgot that underneath the cement skin of titan is a black guy who

[00:33:54] is the guy sitting at the head of the table who took over from machine head so i was going who is this guy so i had to search through all of that rewatched the episodes as i said to find out who that was but i'm just really interested to hear that what's happening is mr lu is trying to break out multipole the brother of duplicate who we talked about earlier on in the other episodes because he's one of their most competent assassins i thought it was a really interesting touch because we never knew why multipole was in prison at the gda we never knew

[00:34:24] how he broke out we never heard anything about that we saw him in the first episode he's played by simu lu so obviously again a very big actor being cast in the role so there's obviously a plan for him for the season here but interesting that it's being brought in such a big way bringing in this new character master lu talking to the major members of the mafia to get multipole out of prison and it's all in the background once again another part of the story all in the background underneath this story of what's going on with oliver what's going

[00:34:53] on with with invincible and what's going on with with the other characters in the gardens of the globe so again when we see this stuff always pull it out because it may become very big as the season goes on there's usually something there i am trying to remember just i will say there's a mention of an organization briefly mentioned which is that if him that mr lu is a part

[00:35:21] of and it's think of it as almost like the crime family yes the global crime family this is the thing kind of robert kirkman would take established kind of history canon and characters from the different dc image kind of and marvel universe and kind of just put his own spin on them and make them interesting so taking that like someone took over from the kingpin and then it turns out well no they they're just part of one thing which is a global

[00:35:51] crime organization it's kind of like a dc thing and you're like oh oh you're playing that's you that's curtain playing a piece here yeah we're kind of ripping on that because then it's like well yeah if someone's in kingpin's prison which is a prison in the united states like the hand they're gonna go to the kingpin and go i want you to get this guy out for me yeah and you're like well no but no you have to because you're part of this international crime

[00:36:20] family you have to do as we say yeah oh yeah that's what would happen in real life yeah well yeah if that was a real thing exactly exactly yeah it's really interesting isn't it because titan makes the deal with mr lu and then tells isotope beside him to go and tell mr lu that's the last deal he's ever making with him he'll get multipol eight and then he never wants to see his face again and isotope just goes i'm not telling him that i am not saying that to his face i still very scared of mr lu and

[00:36:50] uh and what he could do um seems like titan doesn't know yeah because titan was a very low level guy the first time we met him we met him in episode one of season one he was the uh guy that was protecting two bank robbers that were stopped by by mark and omni-man uh and then by the end of the season he'd taken over the the mafia from uh from machine head so um so i guess he may not have the history that uh that isotope has with no no no no and i still tries to tell him he did try he did try uh good stuff any other notes anything else we haven't

[00:37:20] talked about chris no that's it for me great stuff so overall then chris what did you think of this episode what kind of rating would you give it oh see john's the raider he is our other podcast host is the raider i try not to but for me this is the one that kind of it starts to dip but it does set up slightly it sets up some additional questions and kind of like oh well mark and mark and eve are a thing now where does that go that the

[00:37:50] post credit of who's watching them when you take the the first three episodes it uh as a whole it's fantastic yeah and it's as an individual here this is the tail end of your of your story of your kind of opening act that being said the opening is so bloody strong so strong yeah they i i don't like kid abney man i

[00:38:19] don't like oliver as a character sometimes he just i have problem with whiny kids yeah it's gonna be interesting because my kid's a toddler and it's gonna become a whiny kid kid in a few years so this is how that works out yeah it's fine we'll see him when he's nine chris that's the benefit of not living here yeah i so i this is a strong three out of five but at the same point i know i know the opening is so strong the ending is strong it's just the

[00:38:49] kid only man bet for me just kind of annoys me slightly wow interesting but that opening that opening man i just that's the one where i was that's again that opening from season two i was like oh it's amazing this for me was oh this is amazing yeah that that's kind of no words put it away yourself if you would put it into words i i can try um the the opening in this episode to talk about that yeah i think it's

[00:39:18] the best thing that that has happened on invincible i think it's the the best thing they've put on screen really creative really interesting focusing on two characters we have not seen on screen and just telling out an interesting story of the two of them without any words is a great thing to do i'd say this is my favorite episode of the season so far i wasn't expecting them to push oliver this deep in one episode we didn't get that with any of the other characters um so far uh other than his dad by the end of the first episode of

[00:39:47] invincible you saw how brutal and violent um omni-man could be and here in this one episode you see the twist of this kid who seemed joyous seemed excited just like mark to eventually become a superhero turn into a killer who would have killed everything around him if it hadn't been for mark and debbie um you know i love i love the line from debbie going you need to trust and listen to me because invincible has turned into a nice guy hasn't he and i'm his mom so that's the only way you can coax

[00:40:16] someone like oliver back off where he thinks he's going it's just a really interesting idea what the heck are they going to do with this kid because i don't think any of the constraints they put around him are going to hold is mark going to have to take some tips from cecil the kind of things that cecil is doing to control mark does mark need to take those to control oliver is that what's going to happen is that what's going to bring those two characters back together it's so interesting and i'm really excited to see what happens as the season goes on but i think this was my favorite episode i loved

[00:40:46] this break of character it was almost as big as seeing what happened in the first episode of the of the season with omni man breaking and killing the guardians of the globe here we have oliver breaking and killing the mauler twins who have been almost a joke in the background since the start so yeah really strong really strong yeah but it sets us up for a very interesting remaining couple of episodes absolutely um we'll be back with the fourth

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