In honour of our 1000th episode we are republishing our first episodes of The Hannibal podcast on TV Podcast Industries where Irene and John discussed season 3 of the exceptionally good horror show Hannibal.
Ciao Fannibals! John and Irene, the fine young Hannibals from defenderstvpodcast.com, chat about Antipasto Hannibal Season 3 Episode 1. In our first podcast we take a look at this episode from the (murder) Tableau through to the (dinner) Table and everything in between as we enjoy a three-course meal of the episode that has entree, main and dessert. We discuss among other things the fantastic dinner scene between Hannibal, Bedelia Du Maurier and Tony Dimmond, the demise of Dr. Roman Fell (Jeremy Crutchley) as Hannibal takes up a new position as curator of a museum and, of course, the introduction of Prof. Sogliato (Rinaldo Rocco). We also explore a new use for Aristotle and the increasing terror felt by Bedelia in the company of Hannibal. Do you still feel in control!?
Please send us any thoughts or comments on the new season of Hannibal or the episode Antipasto to feedback@tvpodcastindustries.com .
Hannibal Season 3 Episode 1 Antipasto Synopsis
Having escaped the battle with Will Graham (Hugh Dancy), Jack Crawford (Laurence Fishburne) and Alana Bloom (Caroline Dhavernas) and the devastating turmoil of the bloodbath at his home, Hannibal Lecter (Mads Mikkelsen), now free of his convenient former human suit, establishes a new life for himself in Italy with his former psychiatrist Doctor Bedelia Du Maurier (Gillian Anderson). After assuming the identity of the museum curator Dr. Roman Fell and his wife, they begin to settle down in to the rhythm of fine dining, high society events and lectures on Dante until circumstances go awry, when a former student of Dr. Fell’s, Anthony Dimmond (Tom Wisdom), visits and finds that all is not as it seems. In flashback the torture of Abel Gideon (Eddie Izzard) by Hannibal continues along with their philosophical debate on cannibalism over a very special dinner.
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Thank you for listening, Hannibal will be back on TV Podcast Industries with Season 3 Episode 2 “Primavera” next time.
John and Irene
Hannibal on TV Podcast Industries
Date recorded: 12/06/2015
Date published: 13/06/2015
MP3, 50.58 mins, 128kbps, 70.0 MB
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00:16 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, fanables, or should I say, Chao Akko Yenza.
00:20 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome in Italian.
00:21 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Hannibal TV podcast.
00:23 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The podcast about the hit TV show, Hannibal.
00:26 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I am one of your host, John.
00:28 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm your other host, Irene.
00:30 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We are your fine young cannibals, and we are here to delve from the Tableau to the table and everything in between of season three of Hannibal, the incredibly smart, scary, disturbing, and classy TV series now in its third season.
00:47 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a mature podcast, so there will be maybe swearing, there's going to be discussions about mergers and go and quite possibly huge amounts of screaming from myself and probably not from Irene.
01:03 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we are part of the TV podcast industries and you can find and listen to us at www.tvpodcastindustries.com forward slash iTunes or on any other good podcast capture such as Stitcher or Player FM just search TV podcast industries.
01:22 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also listen to us on our website at www.tvpodcastindustries.com and of course you can send us in any feedback or comments on each episode of Hannibal or indeed this podcast at feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com.
01:40 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is our first outing and obviously where maybe late to the table.
01:46 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is season three after all.
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's been one and two before.
01:53 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: murder the tabloo for each episode followed by three of our main or favorite points from each episode.
02:00 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If you will we're going to look at a entree and main course and a dessert if you will.
02:05 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then finally we will take a look at Hannibal's table and look at that table of food.
02:11 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: that he has enjoyed, whether it's actual food that we can eat or maybe not if it's someone else's part of their body or something.
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But basically, yeah, we are in season three of Hannibal at the moment.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't been podcasting about season one or two.
02:32 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's mainly because we have been doing other projects, but we both enjoy Hannibal load.
02:39 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think we want to just give you a quick idea about who we are and why we're interested in Hannibal.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So Irene, do you want to start us off?
02:48 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and for a dare to have a comment on Netflix by three months ago, myself and John, along with Derek and Chris from Defenders TV podcast, started doing Defenders TV podcast, and this is kind of an knock-on effect from this.
03:04 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at people.
03:08 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's exactly the same as myself.
03:13 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Involve a Defenders TV podcast with Irene, and I also with Derek to Gotham TV podcast for the Fox Gotham series, and it's also on Channel 5 in the UK and RT in Ireland.
03:29 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And are you a big fan of Hannibal the TV series, the films, the books?
03:35 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love anything to do with Hannibal.
03:38 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember seeing the first one years ago and just completely captivators.
03:44 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so creepy, but you're totally on his side.
03:47 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd never really seen that before, you know, you're always your good guys and your bad guys.
03:51 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he was the first one for me that was like, he's clearly not somebody who's side you should be on and he never wanted to actually run into him in real life.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But like,
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Big fan, Mr. Lecture from this.
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening.
04:05 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:06 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
04:07 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm the same, you know, I came into the world of Hannibal through silence of the lambs.
04:15 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It skirted me to death.
04:17 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it literally is the the night vision gargles in the basement with Jodie Foster.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it didn't end me.
04:26 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: it ruined me but I loved it and I then went back and looked at manhunter and I've seen some of the other sequels since particularly red dragon which I quite did.
04:38 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Dragon sprinter yeah but I haven't read any of the books now and I came to the TV basically from the films.
04:46 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely adored a sense of the lambs.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It is still to this
04:50 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: day one of my favorite films.
04:53 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in my top five if not, I would say close to being my number one film and it's just because the effect it had on me.
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I couldn't get to sleep that night.
05:04 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It was that brutal.
05:07 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's so clever, you know, and he's cultured as well, and I love the way the TV has really, the TV series has really carried that on, like he's, he's so classy, you know, that's making us in his perfect choice.
05:20 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely brilliant choice for this, but I mean, that's why we're kind of interested in podcasting about Hannibal, in particular the TV show, and this is who we are.
05:30 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have any questions to ask us, just give us a shout out feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com and leave us some thoughts about Hannibal.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you like the films, the books, the TV, all three?
05:45 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you only watch it maybe because you love them to get caught and punished?
05:49 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're ever a way of punishing them for what he's after doing, I don't know if there is actually.
05:54 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of anything they can do to them that he hasn't already done to somebody else.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll go.
06:02 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anyway, I think moving on, I think moving on, I think we should go into our review of episode one, of season three of Hannibal, which was entitled Antipasto.
06:17 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was written by Steve Lightfoot, and Brian Fuller, who's also the show runner, is directed by Vincenzer Natalia,
06:27 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The tagline for this season is save for the hunt and I think on the basis of that we'll just do a quick recap of season 2 I say recap, it's more just to make a refresher here and also to say that there will be spoilers in all of this we will not
06:46 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: and shy away from spoiling anything.
06:48 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't, yeah, if you haven't watched, you don't listen.
06:51 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, do listen but go watch it and come back and listen and enjoy our thoughts on it.
06:58 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they match up with some of yours and if they don't, well, give us a shoutback and tell us what you think.
07:05 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean basically with season two, it really finished with
07:15 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: how, basically, and leading to him going on the run to an unknown location.
07:22 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And essentially, he was in a plane with pedelia, played by Julian Anderson.
07:27 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:28 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So it really was that his mascot fallen and he'd been found out for sort of the nightmare that he is.
07:37 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and it unwilled was rice.
07:40 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the big thing in the final year, you're just going, they all know, he was right now.
07:45 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because everybody just thought he was crazy.
07:50 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because for most of you, he's gone too.
07:52 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone too.
07:52 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, much of these until you were thinking that yourself.
07:56 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you had a lot of that past, but you know, that would seem to have for our knowledge, was it?
08:01 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he seems to like find dining, he seems to be cultures, so maybe he's not much of a, but he's everything seems so artistic and stylistic.
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a great weekend away.
08:11 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you were thinking like, maybe Will was actually the one after he did, you know, pose the guy in the deer, think you're just like, maybe it is actually Will.
08:21 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's been doing these things, you know, they just have moments or I did, okay, I had moments first.
08:25 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I did to definitely it was the thought that Will Graham directed by Hannibal from his psychiatrature and was doing all of this stuff.
08:37 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a superb season and there's some great murder tabloes as well.
08:42 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what there was the honey bee one with the the cone of honey growing out of someone's head.
08:49 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I never forget the mushrooms.
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that season one, but the mushroom one.
08:52 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm still I'm still not over that.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: No, exactly.
08:57 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And the the honeycomb was almost like an extension.
08:59 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was really good.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's so arty like it's the same time.
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09:13 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating, like it really is fascinating, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating.
09:18 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is a great looking show and the tabloid, the way they've done them, I mean, they had the I1 as well, didn't they in the great cello?
09:27 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're recoyling and then you're drawn towards it at the same time.
09:32 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those amazing shows that draws up discourse to reveal and then absolute fascination and like looking at something so gory and almost like a piece of artwork, it's really strange.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you do start to question.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's faster in theory.
09:53 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I could really admire you.
09:55 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you're like, I should really try and do that myself.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I can't.
10:00 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, but I think we should probably move on with that little set up onto a synopsis of the episode before we move on to the murder tablo.
10:14 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So a quick rundown of episode one of season three.
10:20 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: After the devastating turmoil of the bloodbath, that lectors home, Hannibal, now free of his convenient former human suit, establishes a new life from himself, initially with his former psychiatrist, Dr. Badealia Dumerian.
10:34 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: On to the identity of the museum curator,
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Roman fell and his wife.
10:38 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They begin to settle down into the rhythm of fine dining, high society events, and lectures on Dante, until circumstances go awry when a former student of Dr. Fels visits and finds that all is not as it seems.
10:53 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So there we go.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the general synopsis.
10:56 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think like if we move into the murder tab, low straight off, and I mean I suppose all I can really say is poor doctor and to me, demand.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very likable as well.
11:11 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He is.
11:11 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
11:12 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of start off going.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about him.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's so flippant.
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he admits that he is actually just probably jealous.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked him then.
11:23 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, no.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't want anything to happen to you.
11:26 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of almost like he's this little kindred spirit of Hannibal not as kind of developed or as menacing as in, but like they both, and because they they meet in Paris first off were Hannibal is calling himself someone else, Disney, and and they talk about
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Roman fell as though, you know, he can't do poetry.
11:49 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a bit of a heath and really at how he's gotten to that position, who knows?
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just depositing these books every two years.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And actually, he is another.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he is another victim of Hannibal because Hannibal kills him.
12:07 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: and eat him to make way for him to the position of the museum curator in Florence, honestly.
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:16 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, I mean, I felt really sorry for Tone.
12:21 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Tony Dimmond, and first of all, I don't think Aristotle would ever have thought he would have been used in that way to crash him blow to his skull.
12:29 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was there, it came out straight out of the blue.
12:33 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Badelea gets splattered in blood, and I don't know, I actually thought that maybe he was going to survive, because he had survived an earlier meal.
12:49 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: he actually kept Hannibal's sub-defuage going and his story and I kind of thought he might survive and then, um, no, Aristotle to the head and then he gets put into this sort of amazing sort of
13:09 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: tablo of it looked like a human heart like he was trying to create a human heart in that sort of enlightenment and a tomacle drawing style but bringing it to life and it was sort of his torso was flayed and sort of staked on a tripod and in a chapel I think.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like he'd have kind of a
13:36 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really, it was, wasn't it, it was pretty, pretty bad.
13:40 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually, I don't know about you, Irene, but I had a thought about whether it was Jillian and this, I do.
13:47 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It did first, yeah, I did first, because especially when he came home with Dimmond, she was trying to leave with a suitcase.
13:55 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, Dimmond's actually maybe not dead, and she is, or both of them are.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, and then I'll see that.
14:05 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he basically cracks him with the Aristotle and then does a really bad backbreaker.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's pretty vicious.
14:13 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really cold as well, because he's just chatting away to her and I think dimmed.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Demon can hear the voice as obviously, but he's not really with it.
14:20 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe thinks he's just about to maybe get away.
14:23 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah crack crack.
14:26 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
14:27 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a real vicious side of Hannibal, which you kind of haven't seen that much of in season one or season two, you kind of saw it towards the end of season three where he's.
14:38 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: fighting with Jack Crawford, played by Lawrence Fishburn.
14:44 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You see him obviously fighting then with Hugh Dancy and you see all of this and brutality of him but you've not really seen it up till that point and again here you see a quite blatant and brutal murder scene at the hands of Hannibal.
15:02 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we usually didn't show it, you know, we suspected it was him doing it, but there was it didn't ever actually show and then the very last bits of season two where he says to Will, we couldn't go without you and you don't even then I didn't, anyway, I thought he maybe was just waiting for him and then he stops and obviously so you're you're you're just kind of reeling from that.
15:28 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But that is the first glimpse as you see of how cold and how it's nothing to him.
15:34 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though obviously there is still time we suspect that he is actually eating food.
15:38 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not as blatant and it's not as in your face.
15:41 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But he does have that, um, he does say in the episode, doesn't he that, um, I've taken off my neat suits or my purse, my suit, my person suit, yeah, absolutely.
15:53 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's that kind of idea that maybe, you know, this is his base, um,
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: characteristics.
16:00 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This is his base character and when he does not pretend at all, yeah.
16:04 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
16:05 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He is someone that enjoys the murder process and so on.
16:10 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's all through this episode you have him and Badealia, almost having a on the couch psychiatry session about this idea of leshing pieces.
16:22 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, do you have any morals anymore?
16:25 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of goes, no, it's morale.
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's what makes him happy.
16:28 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it taught, they go about ethics to the aesthetic and it's all this kind of, pay on word, yeah, between the two and
16:38 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: that's kind of quite interesting as well I thought and definitely as I say for me that torso on the tripod yeah I hadn't thought of it as a wreath but definitely it looked to me like one of those anatomical drawings that you would have seen in the enlightenment and in fact I think on the train and Hannibal is folding up oh what's the famous one oh can think of the word
17:06 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know I do know yeah the two people in the circle yeah the two people in the circle Oh well we we we won't remember that one bought and still we don't see Julian Anderson
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: we don't see it at all.
17:24 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was part of why I thought had he killed them both or is Jillian still alive?
17:29 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't see her on the other side of the carriage in the train with Hannibal.
17:36 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't necessarily get a glimpse as to whether it's a male or a female torso.
17:41 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: and you're kind of thinking is he's stocking them up in a lot of somewhere, you know, the legs and so on.
17:46 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So the phase of Jillian Anderson, I reckon she is still alive, but maybe that's slightly up in the air at the moment.
17:54 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, because he was wearing the jacket that he was wearing on the motorbike.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't sure if it was a flashbacker or flash forward.
18:09 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And as opposed, it depends how the season progresses because, you know, that kind of murder would get the attention of the FBI or CIA, you would imagine.
18:21 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so stylistic, it's so giving a statement.
18:25 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Hannibal's just gone on the wrong, there must be something out on him that an issued by the FBI to interpol to other inspection agencies and police agencies around the world.
18:39 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of think it would really draw attention to his presence in Florence, but you never know maybe maybe I took the training to mean that he was leaving Florence to move away, but maybe it was a flashback, yeah.
18:58 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So it'd be interesting to see how that all pans out and I suppose in the next episode.
19:04 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you got anything more on the Tableau Iron,
19:07 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think, move on.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:12 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what's your first point?
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Then what's your, what's your on-tray?
19:15 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your anti-passive for this episode?
19:18 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to just talk a bit more about the end of season two to the start of season three.
19:24 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we haven't seen any of the people from the end of season two in the first episode of season three.
19:30 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we haven't seen Will, Alana, Jack, even Abigail.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen any of them.
19:36 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We still don't know, or did they all die, was did anybody survive?
19:41 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody's injuries looked pretty devastating.
19:45 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Elana was basically lying inside in the rain, looked like she was gasping her last breath as Hannibal stepped over, like he didn't even bother to finish her off.
19:54 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: same well they said look like him and Abigail were lying on the floor the two them were pretty much near death as well and Jack was already like blood porn out from under the door and that was when Will arrived.
20:06 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know I don't know hopefully not like they did get his knee to eat reddish but I don't know if that's because there might be flashbacks coming up or you know you don't know if they're actually gonna be in the coming episodes.
20:20 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
20:21 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think will is still alive.
20:26 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so.
20:28 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder, is that idea of Hannibal allowing things to transpire?
20:34 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if he still wants him to be alive at heart?
20:38 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a bit the case with Jack as well.
20:41 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jack, you know, you got himself into the story in Corbos.
20:45 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's an FBI agent, okay, one that deals primarily with psychology and criminal profiling, but you would kind of think he might be able to, I know, rap some parma ham around his neck, you know, stop the bleeding or something.
21:06 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Shook it round his neck to stop the bleeding because he kind of got a slice around the neck haven't he?
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is
21:12 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually looked like he was standing at OK, though, and then next thing we saw the blow there from under the door.
21:17 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe your ice maybe that was him sticking a bamboo skewer in a piece of prosciutto, and he's actually grand.
21:24 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Bonging it up with a bit of black purring or something.
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So can it up with some bread, exactly.
21:30 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I kind of thought Jack kind of gave as good as he got actually with Hannibal.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
21:36 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: My fear is with Alana because, um, like, she, a fall out of, you know, or the house, um, she was going out with them and she didn't notice anything.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll try to shut her and she still didn't see anything.
21:52 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then what she saw was the front door steps coming up as a Yeah, well, she yeah, and she made the shock of her life when she saw that it was Abigail, I was coming out and then obviously Abby is like Push
22:07 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, so I'm kind of thinking maybe that the two lads actually are still alive.
22:13 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And Alana, I think maybe in a worse state, but maybe all three of them will survive.
22:18 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm kind of secretly, I think, hoping that all three of them managed to survive.
22:23 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You've stayed with this onslaught from Hannibal?
22:26 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I've stayed well away from spiders or anything.
22:28 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't, I really don't want to know until I see it myself.
22:32 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm really hoping they are and they get a chance.
22:36 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sylvia Nixon was there and she's saying you know this is it like you've ruined your chance and the land is going to give them a chance and they never got their chance then because they're kind of ambushed like at the house.
22:47 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be great if season three turns into a big like what I obviously it's the man on thing.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So culminating in a big
22:57 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She could have again hopefully, I don't know what the between the same people would be amazing.
23:01 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
23:02 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my starter, my kind of entrain to this, was actually Professor Sogliato, and played by Ronaldo Rocco, I really liked the introduction of this character who, in a sense, has got a real amniosity towards Hannibal.
23:20 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to really detest him for some reason, whether it's professional or personal or both.
23:26 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, he's like, he really baits Hannibal over, you know, obviously academic things like, well, you don't know, enlightenment, Florence dialect or something.
23:37 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if you found a poem in your pocket, you wouldn't actually know what it is.
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he really baits him, I think.
23:44 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're just the, I, for the whole of the episode I was thinking, this is not going to end well for Professor Sirglyato.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a chorus there for us.
23:54 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, you're silly.
23:56 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shosh.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, don't say that to him.
23:59 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but for him, the guy is just going, oh, you're not scared to prove yourself, man.
24:04 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:04 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really, really enjoyed that.
24:07 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of someone who, you know, doesn't really see what Hannibal is, but just doesn't like him.
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean,
24:18 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, it's probably not going to end well anyway for the poor guy.
24:22 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to probably come to some sticky, probably caramel-based winter stew, something like that at some point.
24:35 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But I like the introduction of this character a lot, and that's kind of my first little appetizer, I think, for this episode.
24:44 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: it's like a ledge.
24:46 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got a really nice little edge to him.
24:50 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I think even when is it Anthony, Tony Dimmond comes in and says, oh, I could I could tell you some tales about and Dr. Fell.
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're all too.
25:02 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's really interested to find something else about
25:06 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: and who he thinks is Dr. Fowl, Hannibal, obviously in his new meat suit of Dr. Fowl.
25:12 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, he wants to get some ammunition.
25:16 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I sort of, it's just like, I want ammunition to be able to attack him.
25:20 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was, it's a nice little touch, this kind of academic adversary, this equal.
25:29 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And sort of in the first two seasons, you know, Hugh Dancy, and
25:38 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: in some way, any equal to or maybe on a professional level as a psychiatrist as a profile and so on.
25:46 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So that thought that was quite nice.
25:47 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like maybe what they're doing if he is an equal, when Hannibal says to get in a bit, it's only cannibalism if you're equals.
25:56 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: When you go and maybe he's actually going to be eating him and it could be true cannibalism.
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: exactly, yeah.
26:01 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that really good introduction to a character.
26:04 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad he survived the first episode.
26:06 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be interesting to see how long he survived as well, because I do have a feeling it's not going well for poor and professor, suddenly at all.
26:15 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, probably not.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Irene, what's your main course for this episode?
26:21 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: My main course was the conversation that was
26:28 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: for Anthony is struggling post Aristotle towards the door and he said or are you observing or participating and she said observing and he says but did you know what he would do and did you know what would happen and she said I was curious.
26:48 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and he said, well, if this is what you expected, then that's participation.
26:51 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was really like he's completely in her head.
26:54 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's terrified.
26:55 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really good.
26:57 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't overplay how terrified she is, but it was obvious like for just kind of tears in her eyes the whole time.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just
27:05 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did and trembling and, oh, really?
27:09 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean and I definitely had.
27:13 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I had that down as one of my notes that I did that, you know, you really see the fear in her in this episode.
27:20 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And that conversation of observing or participating.
27:24 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact now he's moving into an academic area.
27:35 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: by observing something to record it, you actually affect it to the point that it changes your results and you know or like in some ways are you interacting with it just simply by observing that idea.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really good and yeah I thought that was a really good discussion.
27:56 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: When she said she was curious about it because as well you see that she's killed someone
28:04 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's really interesting, but I agree like he is totally in her hair.
28:11 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been playing with her and all these talks and throughout the episode and this is almost This is almost him.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think
28:23 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: getting something over on her like this is almost like what he can bride her with now absolutely and he just says so coldly like what have you got new stuff into you just like oh oh gosh I know I wouldn't like to be beholden
28:41 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's really a tricky situation that she's in now and throughout the episode I was thinking she's in a tricky situation because you kind of have that metaphor and the bath where she's like she's drowning under the ways of everything.
28:55 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You see her were and I loved that in the lecture hall were
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: She sees through Hannibal's head and he's got the head of the devil.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He thought that was brilliant, actually.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
29:08 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The eyes, I was like, oh, God, that's really like um, Klovenhooves.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:13 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Look like he had.
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It was standing up on two animal legs, nearly.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're just like a fuck, like it really is.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just don't say it.
29:21 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she leaves to try and get out of it.
29:23 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:24 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you have the flashback to when she's talking to Jack, as well, that was really good.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I still believe him in control.
29:31 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when she's sitting inside of the bath, she says that.
29:34 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a good day, you know, no new, given you that's a good day, that I'm still in control.
29:39 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I am anyway.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have the flashback to when she's talking to Jack and she says,
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think your bed's catch-hand, but it's because he wants you to think this.
29:46 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't fool yourself and to think in that he's not in control.
29:49 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're thinking, is that it?
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you think you're still in control, but you're not he is.
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:56 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, when he says, you know, you're participating.
29:59 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is why I'm telling you, like, you are, and you're going up here, you're gone.
30:03 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gone.
30:04 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He has it.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
30:07 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think my main course, like talking of the flashbacks was just the use of the flashbacks.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a really nice deployment of them.
30:15 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you see them so overused in some shows, for example, arrow to use one example, but I really liked it here because I thought it really, it really helped with this immediate storyline and it gave you a connection.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: back to the US.
30:34 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
30:34 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought seeing Dr. Gideon able Gideon alive, Eddie Azard, fantastic, love Eddie Azard.
30:42 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: As a comedian, I've really enjoyed him in his more dramatic roles.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked seeing him.
30:49 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought what he was subjected to was just pure torture.
30:54 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I was there going,
31:00 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: food and that you're about to eat on in the form of the snails and eating and slimming all over one of his arms and I just thought it was pure brutal torture what Hannibal was a crime thing.
31:16 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean you really see how like psychotic this guy is.
31:21 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But then a question did come into my mind
31:29 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just wondering whether Abel Gideon is still alive in some or another in the house down in the basement, like maybe he has had all his limbs taken off, and Fettrim maybe his tongue has been removed.
31:50 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like that he's in a serious situation, but he's still down in the basement, unable to do anything.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty horrific, John.
31:57 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't even told you that, and now I actually feel like crying.
32:02 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going up surely not, like, surely after the raid and everybody, up surely not, like, oh gosh.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, exactly.
32:11 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't imagine.
32:13 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: that on anyone, but I just wounded.
32:16 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It might be even worse.
32:18 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:19 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think then like the other thing was just to see more of how pedelia and Hannibal are connected.
32:25 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved that flashback element as well.
32:30 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of explored more of their personal storyline together.
32:34 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: How she came about because it was kind of one of my other notes was that
32:38 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But the deal is complicity in what she knows about Hannibal is well and truly revealed.
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that mask is slipped as well.
32:47 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But you've kind of known she is aware of what he is and what he can become and what he does.
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But...
32:56 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This really kind of shows that she very much knows about it and almost to what extent is she complicit in it given that you know she does have doctor patient sort of confidentiality all those kind of things around it but to me I loved seeing how
33:17 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: the two interactive sort of after Hannibal had come he was shattering in her house after the bloodbath that occurred between Jack Will and Alana at his house.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You can see the bruising on his back actually there.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was really bad.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was too blood.
33:36 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as oh god, no, it's just really really bad bruising.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: From when he was throwing Jack around, our Jack was throwing him around.
33:43 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: definitely.
33:43 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course we see that Hannibal is there after she has killed her patient to his attacks and used to be a patient of Hannibal's.
33:54 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is the suggestion that he may be has gotten into his head to get him to kill her.
34:01 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he did in season two with the wolf
34:07 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: the mechanical wolf guy who he got to try and kill a will.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it is him.
34:13 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And but that guy who the deal is got a hand down his throat and that's Zachary Quinto.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: from Star Trek and from heroes and so on.
34:26 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's a, and I love the fact that Hannibal's there and is almost taking a through what she's done and I'm saying you did know this isn't an accident.
34:39 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You were in detects of the world.
34:42 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was it was really good and I just thought it really added more to their relationship, which I think in seasons one and seasons two, have been more about being the patient doctor relationship or you know at some point maybe even colleagues at a psychiatrist.
35:03 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So this was really nice to see how muddy her hands are actually in the whole thing.
35:10 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that was interesting actually because I never knew if she was just too afraid of him.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she didn't know everything and then it's really care in this episode that she did.
35:21 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She knew everything.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She just never said a word to anybody.
35:24 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether she was afraid of him or she's curious to see and she's actually fascinated with his minds.
35:31 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Because even when she says, if you ask me for help, I will help and she asks them for help.
35:36 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And surely, anybody knows, unless she thinks there's no other way at this stage.
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he already knows, so she might as well ask them for help.
35:46 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, because I mean, I said her hands are multi, but I should have said bloating of course on a half of the podcast.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have said bloating.
35:53 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so yeah, that was really good.
35:56 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And they used the flashback really well.
35:58 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought in this, like even just that the able, um, Gideon and Hannibal's interaction.
36:04 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in black and white.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It really added something nice.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, um,
36:08 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: background we needed though you know it wasn't over it wasn't just gratuitous it was it we needed the information like and it was we never knew really what happened with Gideon so it's nice to hear those conversations and you know that Gideon was very much aware of what was happening have we still challenged it challenging Hannibal he's not actually didn't seem afraid of him this like what else can you do look
36:30 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
36:31 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really good.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So Irene, what's your dessert?
36:35 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your palette cleanser after the starter of main course?
36:41 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't you be freaked out if I said oysters, acorns and sweet wine, which is, that's my palatender.
36:47 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Have some, John, have some.
36:50 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you may have my points as well, but, um...
36:54 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: When he said that, I... No, go on.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We say together.
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, go on.
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The dinner would dimmed.
37:01 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:03 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was just chilling.
37:06 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the delias look on her face was brilliant.
37:10 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean all the way through this and that might my dessert point is just that whole meal between Badealia, Hannibal and Dinnond.
37:18 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought was great and in particular one of those points was the fact that
37:22 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: was it Tony says oysters, acorns and masala wine, sweet dessert wine, that's what the Romans used to add flavour to the animals that they were going to eat and all this kind of thing.
37:38 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And just the look on her face was priceless.
37:41 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And he says they're choking oysters for her, like, yeah.
37:44 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't even stop, he's just like, oh yeah.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And you wonder whether she thinks, have I lost control now?
37:52 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is this a bit where I realize he's in control?
37:55 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:55 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I just thought that was, um, I've just thought it was fantastic.
38:01 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also then just when she was eating the oyster stews and because she just thinks Hannibal is going to kill him at the meal.
38:08 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was thinking initially though.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, oh, does this like,
38:13 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Gay, you know, tango Mediterranean music playing and he's chucking the oysters and and then you're like, oh, this is it.
38:21 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This is where he gets it.
38:23 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can see that she's nervous for him that she thinks he's going to get killed.
38:27 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's part of the great thing about this.
38:30 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: This scene for me, this dinner is that it's all underlaid with this current of Izzy or isn't he going to kill Anzony Dimmond.
38:41 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet the some really dark humour plays out like Dimmond's spot in her menu.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved when
38:51 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But he literally goes, I'm trying not to eat anything where with a central nervous system.
38:57 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: When I think he asks her why you're not eating any meat, I thought that was a really, really nice touch as well.
39:06 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, yeah, you're trying to avoid meat.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:09 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to avoid being eaten, maybe, but that's really good.
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And you were just thinking, oh, you don't know.
39:19 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there is also a potential kinky, three-way being proposed at home point that runs through dimmens mind just shortly before Aristotle runs through his mind.
39:34 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I loved that.
39:39 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I found that scene absolutely fantastic.
39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: really unexpected.
39:44 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't usually have jokes like that in there and because the whole episode is just like
39:50 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: swelling to it felt like it was swelling to some big conclusion you think it's going to be dimens murder and then in the middle of it it's like did it did it did it did it did it and like a little joky scene and you're going there's something dark is coming when that happens you know something dark is coming but it was fantastic like I loved and just that you know it looked like Hannibal kind of wanted it but delia most certainly didn't and then
40:19 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Demand was just truly disappointed because he says, you were looking so interesting.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
40:26 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It really sort of peaked my attention and fancy this couple and that aren't really a couple.
40:32 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just fantastic, really, really good.
40:35 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you're a left wondering, why did she say he's very particular, or how I taste?
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did she say that?
40:42 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you did.
40:44 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That is just so, so funny.
40:49 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So an uncharacteristic for the show that you're laughing if it's something to happen.
40:55 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's as well what makes it so good is that it's a pretty serious episode, and this just adds that bit of levity in it, and it's so fun to build it.
41:10 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So are you going to take any coffee with this meal, Irine?
41:13 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And have you got any notes, any little thing that you just want to sort of tease out from the rest of the episodes?
41:24 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
41:24 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a quick espresso or maybe a job for this espresso and you know when she's going to the shop and buying the two bottles of the Monterey and the white truffle Yeah, and then the show are going back twice for the second time.
41:38 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She's sitting on the bench looking into the security camera Yes, but there's a train there Did you think the same thing is me she was waiting for someone to see her
41:48 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
41:49 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was, um, I thought that's what she was trying to do was to just maybe that time out of the house that she was going to sit on that bench, look up at the camera, not get on a train and that that would look suspicious.
42:08 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And if she does that every time she goes to that shop that maybe people would start to question because she's also very well dressed.
42:17 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: the hat and so on and I think in is it Hannibal?
42:21 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the films that use that they use the whole security camera identifying where Hannibal has fled to within the film so I think it was Hannibal yeah the one with Julian Moore in it yeah yeah I think that was one of the techniques and yeah I think it's kind of a reference and I'm not back to that film
42:44 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, interesting.
42:45 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The gadget's all the same as me because I was going to go and I'm reading too much into this.
42:48 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Aren't I?
42:49 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That she's sitting there.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's just sitting there.
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's not her dreams.
42:52 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I was thinking, she had conversations with Jack.
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's something we don't know.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe.
42:58 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another interesting point.
42:59 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's, yeah, maybe it's some kind of code that she's already established with Jack Crawford.
43:05 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:05 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: When I wear my purple for door, carry my beard, dial bag, and sit on that seat at three
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know.
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a bit too perfect.
43:15 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What's something similar?
43:18 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any notes?
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of brought them off.
43:20 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I was more just pedeli as involvement and how involved she is in what Hannibal is.
43:26 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I've kind of brought them up already.
43:28 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the other thing is it builds on seasons one and two.
43:32 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like just how fantastic it looks and feels in terms of how it's direct,
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: how it shot.
43:40 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be honest.
43:41 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's beautiful.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The sack dressings.
43:44 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It just looks lavish and I think as well, the cinematography is great and I noticed that there was a lot of close-ups as well in this that I really like, you know, slow down whether it was the blood being washed off in the shower.
44:00 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_00]: the snails slimming away and all of that.
44:05 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some lot of close-up shots that I just thought were really sort of atmospheric.
44:10 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of brought you into the intimacy of what was going on, especially.
44:16 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought with the snails going over the arm and the blood dripping off the rabbit's nose.
44:22 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It just added something to that scene that was really good, I thought.
44:28 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the shots actually were the champagne cork, you know, when they sliced it off with the storage blades, it looked like it just the blade going along and then the champagne coming out of the bottle.
44:39 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: but that the green of the bottle even in that's and the voice of the champagne was really in contrast to the base, most of it could be quite dark and even the scene where the world dancing wasn't okay that's a bit it's brighter because you know both the champagne the contrast just of the green and everything then it's just called the amber hue kind of to the rest of us.
45:00 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though Amber, he would make it sound like it's going to be like, you know, two people probably getting in the meadow instead of Hannibal thinking about eating your mind's ear or something as he's, you know, ah, daunting.
45:12 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
45:13 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:13 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we can move on to the table now.
45:16 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I think look at some of the food, um, quickly, and I mean, I suppose like there was that very rare liver of Dr. Roman Phels, or that's what I assumed it was.
45:29 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Very rare.
45:30 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it certainly didn't take me back to my mom's liver bacon and onions as a kid, when generally the liver was way over dumb and I mean, I Yeah, I'm not a liver fan anyway.
45:46 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the gravy, but not the liver, but it was so dry.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And my mom's a good cook, but I just remember
45:55 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: to within an inch of its life like this looks like it was still filtering this piece of liver.
46:04 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was Dr. Gizzie's leg which of course I don't suppose we've ever eaten leg.
46:11 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully it happens.
46:13 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I did like the reference to him saying you smoked me in time.
46:25 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds as an absolutely gorgeous bit of pork.
46:30 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly, if it was pork steak, that's what I kept thinking.
46:33 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was not necessarily actually, if it was anything else, even I'm sure the description would have been most watering.
46:39 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the fact that it's, you know, it's able to get in like, it's just terrific.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It is pretty horrific.
46:47 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Even the thought of me saying, think of a nice piece of pork done in that way.
46:51 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I still think, oh, okay, am I ever going to be able to eat pork again?
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're.
46:57 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and of course I will.
47:00 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like my meat.
47:03 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and then the snails, have you ever tried snails?
47:06 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:06 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:07 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I have.
47:08 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Chewie, Galaki?
47:10 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They were garlicy, yeah.
47:12 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They were Chewie, but the sauce was nice and garlicy.
47:15 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably like a mario rose garlicy kind of sauce.
47:18 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:19 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just remember my diagonal, no go on dryers, go on dryers, go on dryers.
47:22 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's my recollection of it.
47:24 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more a garlic rubber band, actually.
47:29 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you kind of just followed what you get rid of a kind of, yeah.
47:33 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They looked very particularly black and Chewie, those nails.
47:36 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: they didn't.
47:36 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Hannibal had, it was like licorice.
47:38 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's something.
47:39 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he did sort of flamboyed them at me, I think, in some brandy.
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that adds a different taste.
47:45 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I just remember heavily garlic, bushes, snails.
47:49 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It tasted fine because they tasted a garlic.
47:52 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
47:53 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just a bit of texture, not a funny thing else.
47:56 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But they were the kind of the delights weren't they really on offer on this, this episode.
48:05 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: around the table.
48:06 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I thought this was really strong.
48:10 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was, I like the fact that Alana, Will and Jack, I like the fact that they were absent.
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
48:19 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good to increase.
48:19 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good to increase.
48:20 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good to increase.
48:21 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the flashback and I mean, and then I thought
48:28 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: between Batelia, Hannibal, and Dinnand was fantastic.
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the intention.
48:34 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Sokliato, and for me, I would probably give this four-flage torso out of five.
48:44 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was brilliant, so I was looking at it going.
48:46 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so beautiful, like, so many beautiful shots.
48:50 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The way the music kept coming in, it kind of high pitch, plinks and plunks and clangs, and it's your constantly on edge.
48:56 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no way to relax when you're watching us.
48:59 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was just like awful more, more, more, more, more, more.
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Next episode.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Next episode.
49:04 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And the music as well is so discordant and, yeah, clink, plunk, you know, using tubular bells, using whatever really uncrashable instruments.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and really crashing and sort of off-tempo.
49:19 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It just adds to the sort of, I don't know, the nervousness of it.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep it, keep it on the edge
49:28 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.
49:28 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you everyone for joining us on our first podcast of Hannibal season three episode one will be back to podcast on episode two of this season in in a week's time.
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