Witcher S3 Ep 7 and 8

[00:00:00] This is The Witcher Podcast on TV Podcast Industries back for our final look at the Witcher Season

[00:00:05] 3 with episode 7 out of the fire into the frying pan and

[00:00:08] episode 8, The Cost of Chaos.

[00:00:38] Welcome back fellow witches to TV Podcast Industries.

[00:00:50] We're now to our final part of our chats all about the Witcher Season 3 talking about

[00:00:55] this time.

[00:00:56] Episode 7 out of the fire into the frying pan and episode 8, The Cost of Chaos I'm One

[00:01:00] of your host Derek.

[00:01:02] Hello there fellow witches.

[00:01:04] Fellow parched witches.

[00:01:06] I am one of your other hosts John.

[00:01:08] Absolutely yes.

[00:01:09] Strodging through the desert.

[00:01:10] It's been very thirsty.

[00:01:12] Yeah, I kind of felt that.

[00:01:14] Certainly when Siri came across the kind of gloop pool which was like going yeah that didn't

[00:01:19] look very, very quenching.

[00:01:22] Yeah but I think you'd be dying for it after a few days in the desert that wouldn't

[00:01:25] it?

[00:01:26] Sure miss did.

[00:01:27] Given it was actually the spoilers.

[00:01:30] This is our spoiler for the discussion of episode 7 of The Witcher.

[00:01:33] Make sure you've watched the episode before John jumps into what happens at the end of

[00:01:37] the episode.

[00:01:38] We are going to talk about the last two episodes of course and if you've been joining us

[00:01:40] for all of our Witcher coverage we're not going to spoil episode 8 as we discuss at

[00:01:43] the first episode of these but we'll jump right into our discussion at episode 7 in

[00:01:47] just a moment.

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[00:02:10] This is the final part of our Witcher coverage as I mentioned already we will be back hopefully

[00:02:14] in the future talking about more Witcher as season 4 has been confirmed and also I spin

[00:02:18] off that we will talk about it later on in the episode even though it hasn't been officially

[00:02:23] announced there is another spin off coming from The Witcher universe which we will talk

[00:02:27] about later on I think.

[00:02:29] Excellent.

[00:02:30] Because Blood Origins I really enjoyed.

[00:02:33] We did really enjoy that despite the really low ratings and really low ratings for this

[00:02:37] season of The Witcher actually on IMDB again this show is being tore to part even though

[00:02:43] it gets great viewership clearly because otherwise Netflix wouldn't continually renew it

[00:02:48] it gets really really harsh ratings by people over at IMDB.

[00:02:52] Well yes.

[00:02:53] I trust IMDB probably Rotten Tomatoes to some extent although now they do split that up

[00:02:59] between official reviews sort of in magazines and newspapers as well as then the audience

[00:03:06] review.

[00:03:07] Yeah yeah I always find the best way to judge whether you're going to like a show if

[00:03:12] you haven't watched it follow a reviewer that you like and who knows and likes the things

[00:03:17] you like and then see their opinion and then obviously watch it for yourself but I would

[00:03:22] never take an aggregated score as new someone's opinion that will match up my opinion I would

[00:03:27] say no no no no.

[00:03:29] And hopefully of course that's why you're joining us on TV podcast industry because we know

[00:03:32] what that's what you like we like what you like and we talk about the things you like

[00:03:36] hopefully.

[00:03:37] Exactly yes with that let us get into our spoiler field discussion of episode seven out

[00:03:43] of the fire into the frying pan keeps switching that ahead.

[00:03:48] Yeah yeah.

[00:03:49] Derek what are some of the sort of sizzling details of this episode?

[00:03:54] Well the show of course is based on the book series by Andrew Sapkowski and on the game

[00:03:58] series from CD Projekt Red.

[00:04:00] Showrunner for the show of course is Lauren Schmidt-Hissrich at showrunner for all seasons

[00:04:04] of the show at this episode was directed by Bolo Gunn it's done loads and loads of TV including

[00:04:10] two episodes of Shadow Unbow and Shadow.

[00:04:12] Oh lovely stuff.

[00:04:13] Yeah an episode of Lucifer as well.

[00:04:15] Excellent never really kind of finished through Lucifer but Adore Shadow Unbow.

[00:04:21] Yeah I think because Lucifer is based on the Neil Gaiman version of the character I was

[00:04:25] expecting a really different show and it started out as a kind of a crime drama with

[00:04:30] Lucifer at the centre of it not as close to the character I've read from the Neil Gaiman

[00:04:35] comics so I kind of dropped off quite quickly because it felt like a normal police

[00:04:40] procedural with a slight twist.

[00:04:42] Yeah it was kind of from the Lucifer comic series which kind of I think carried on from

[00:04:47] what Neil Gaiman did there by Mike Carey and Chris Weston and that group of writers

[00:04:55] and artists involved with that series.

[00:04:58] Yeah I think that's where they got the basic starting point but again it was a bit of

[00:05:03] a police procedural for the first year and I know it was a very successful show lots

[00:05:07] of big fans of it eventually revived on Netflix and has now finished as a series but just

[00:05:13] didn't get into it with those first couple of episodes I probably should go back and see

[00:05:16] it again because like the actor's involved.

[00:05:18] Absolutely.

[00:05:19] That should be quite cool but Balogun did director leaps other that on one of your favourite

[00:05:21] shows Shadow Unbow and Jon Pistons directed two episodes of that.

[00:05:24] This episode was written by Matthew Jambrosio we've mentioned Matthew multiple times he

[00:05:29] was a staff writer through eight season two wrote season two episode six of The Witcher

[00:05:33] and he's also an executive story editor for the season season three.

[00:05:37] Excellent stuff.

[00:05:38] Do you want to tell us what that gave us Jon with your synopsis four?

[00:05:42] The Witcher season three the penultimate episode episode seven out of the fire into the

[00:05:45] frying pan.

[00:05:46] Sure following the explosion at Toulara series is transported through a portal from the

[00:05:52] monolith finding herself in the wasteland of the Corridor desert.

[00:05:56] Our twos are Yaskia finds and confronts Prince Rudovid about his attempt to capture

[00:06:01] a series for Rodania but provides him with an escape route to get back home.

[00:06:06] The prince vows to return with whatever army he can muster to help but the bard doesn't

[00:06:12] believe him.

[00:06:13] Yaskia also reunites with the enifer whom forms in that series missing and Geralt has been

[00:06:18] taken to Broclyon by Trace.

[00:06:21] Yaskia travels to Broclyon forests where dry adds led by Queen Ethnay take care of the

[00:06:27] wounded Geralt and he learns that the forest has become a refuge for people escaping

[00:06:31] the war between the northern kingdoms and Nilfgaard.

[00:06:35] Back in the car of desert, series struggles to find water or food but she encounters

[00:06:40] a unicorn, she names Little Horse who keeps her company.

[00:06:44] Wandering the desert for days, Siri is tormented by visions of her loved ones including her

[00:06:50] mother Povetta and Calenthi as well as mysterious figure revealed to be Falka, a half-elvin

[00:06:57] princess burnt at the stake for rising up against her father the King.

[00:07:02] When an unnamed desert monster attacks Siri and wounds Little Horse, series persuaded

[00:07:07] by the vision of Falka to use dangerous fire magic to heal the unicorn as she does a violent

[00:07:13] fiery vision nearly consumes her before Siri relinquishes her magic and loses consciousness,

[00:07:20] waking up surrounded by bounty hunters.

[00:07:24] Back in Broclyon forest, Yaskia finds a slowly recovering Geralt where he informs him of

[00:07:29] rumours that Siri has been captured and is on her way to Nilfgaard.

[00:07:34] But taking Yung Siri to Nilfgaard.

[00:07:38] Yes they are, yes that's the rumours.

[00:07:41] That is the rumours.

[00:07:42] A very desert focused episode, a very Siri focused episode this time.

[00:07:48] I think in some ways it was important to do to really get Siri's perspective because

[00:07:54] it is such an ensemble cast.

[00:07:57] It also just has to tread that really tricky pathway though as well because certainly for

[00:08:04] me the last two episodes, both 5 and 6 were such a great roller coaster ride.

[00:08:10] Absolutely love them, loads going on.

[00:08:13] Lots of storylines actually coming to almost a closure really in terms of the intrigue

[00:08:20] and the mystery.

[00:08:21] In a sense this is opening up a new chapter or a new start to the continuing storyline.

[00:08:29] It is kind of that next chapter in the story.

[00:08:33] It has a difficult path to tread because when I first watched this my immediate reaction

[00:08:40] was just it was a real change of pace.

[00:08:45] It felt very different and I was still wanting that kinetic energy that came from the previous

[00:08:51] two episodes.

[00:08:53] And so it was like, oh no you know just kind of a little bit out of sorts with it but having

[00:08:59] watched it the second time I kind of appreciated it much better to be honest.

[00:09:04] And I do think it is one of those stories that was required because ultimately Siri is

[00:09:12] this hugely important person that is being hunted and chased across the continent.

[00:09:18] And protected and cared for as well.

[00:09:20] And screamed against and you name it.

[00:09:23] Exactly, she is the central character really of the story and everything else that's happening

[00:09:26] around is happening because she exists on the continent right so that's kind of where

[00:09:31] it is.

[00:09:32] Making a pause here really to look at things from serious perspective or give her some time

[00:09:36] all on her own.

[00:09:37] We'll talk about our big moments from the episode John do you want to cook soft with your

[00:09:40] big moments because I think we start there really.

[00:09:42] Yes, I think so.

[00:09:44] Big moment or big entire episodes.

[00:09:46] Entire episodes.

[00:09:47] I thought it would be.

[00:09:48] It is Siri in the deserts.

[00:09:52] Because as I said this is really important to kind of understand Siri and I think to actually

[00:09:58] see her coming to terms with who she is, what she does primarily through the vision that

[00:10:06] is falcon but even the other visions that come to her from Pavetta who's her mother and

[00:10:13] her criticisms to almost another trial from kind of the who was the queen on and centrae

[00:10:21] the centrae and through her grandmother.

[00:10:24] Her grandmother.

[00:10:25] And each time they're really critiquing Siri who she is, what she stands for.

[00:10:34] Almost at Siri even says these visions are urging her to kill herself but like with

[00:10:41] Kalenta you have people are using you for their own agendas she then follows up with

[00:10:47] what have you done, nothing hidden yourself away and you know used to be called the

[00:10:53] line code of centraes pathetic.

[00:10:56] And she questions Siri do you really think someone like you can change things where others

[00:11:02] have failed and at each point you know Siri is having to defend her vision in a sense or

[00:11:10] her feelings towards what she would do which is she wants to change things.

[00:11:16] She wants, you know she has to retort to their questions, their criticisms.

[00:11:22] She wants there to be peace between the elves and humans there's not this, not the dichotomy

[00:11:28] of hating one or the other.

[00:11:30] Exactly.

[00:11:31] Trying to bring them together.

[00:11:33] And so at each stage she's having to reinforce you know in effect her tone, her ideology

[00:11:40] that she brings to this powerful and unique position that falcon then you know wraps up

[00:11:49] in this ball to say you know like herself.

[00:11:52] She was someone who was seen as a troublesome woman ideas above her station wanted to change

[00:11:59] things but everyone else trying to prevent her or control her manipulator at each stage

[00:12:06] and the same with you know perveta you know talking about being abandoned and Kelenthi talking

[00:12:15] to her that she's failed.

[00:12:17] And you know in a sense this desert experience for Siri is biblical of Jesus in the desert

[00:12:25] the 40 days and 40 nights all these trials not just the visions but the trial of heat

[00:12:33] exhaustion first all this and certainly get that across a lot.

[00:12:39] Definitely.

[00:12:40] Yeah we're there to date and I do find this kind of stuff really difficult to balance in

[00:12:45] a show like the Witcher, the fantasy show where magic exists somewhere people have had visions

[00:12:50] and you know visions have guided people for their entire life the bonding of Geralt and

[00:12:55] Siri itself was from a magical process almost yeah and here with Siri it's kind of hard

[00:13:01] to extricate are these visions or is this Siri talking to herself through the voices

[00:13:06] of people that she's known in her past or mother saying to her and challenging her

[00:13:10] on who she is and her defending herself you know early on in that experience in the desert

[00:13:15] she's shouting at the sky going I will not die here I will fight through and it's almost

[00:13:19] like the rest of the conversations or it is to me the rest of the conversations that she's

[00:13:23] having is her justifying who she is her vision her approach versus the experiences that

[00:13:30] just happened the past she's not really having a conversation with someone that's come

[00:13:33] back from the dead or anything like that it is a comment the conversation going on her

[00:13:38] mind exactly justifying who she is going down to this final final battle let's say with

[00:13:45] verbal battle with falca where she has to make a decision between does she embrace fire

[00:13:52] magic does she embrace the evil magic or does she give it all up effectively and to progress

[00:13:58] on her path that's almost what I was seeing with it yeah I mean I think fire magic in and

[00:14:03] of itself is not evil I think it is difficult you know because we have seen Stregable use

[00:14:10] it was the n if a used fire magic we have and want to want a character who almost lost

[00:14:15] her soul because she used this other character who is a reprehensible character

[00:14:19] well we have that warning the use of fire magic as the n if it tells Siri takes something

[00:14:28] from you and I mean to me this is kind of a that continuation of the trainings being done

[00:14:34] by Yana for on the magic but also the training done by Geralt as a fighter and a source

[00:14:42] person because not only are these psychological trials with the visions and as you say the

[00:14:49] justification in her own mind this sort of turning and throwing the battle of where she

[00:14:54] is in her own head through perveta and through a calenthy as well as falca to some extent

[00:15:02] although I see falca for good or for bad yeah as more of a guiding and in the sense of

[00:15:09] I had this power as well and this is how I chose to use this and I mean she even says

[00:15:17] in the end she carved her ears into points because it was easier to be what they accused

[00:15:22] me of being an elf yeah and then that fight so I just became elf like right yeah so if it feels

[00:15:32] like she's more guiding um you know and there is this kind of side of it but even to that point

[00:15:42] it's worth I say she gets her to embrace the fire magic to save little horse yeah and then as

[00:15:51] she's taken by it into the darkness and it begins to consume her yeah and there's all these conflicting

[00:16:00] visions of people who she must get revenge on like filter thoughts care here and so on but also

[00:16:09] that even your allies need to be punished for effectively using you in this larger game

[00:16:18] uh on the continent and that includes yennefer and yeski and garros and that's when she says

[00:16:25] no I you know I renounce this this this power and it renames all yeah all the magic power effectively

[00:16:32] yeah and I suppose the conversation is starting out with um with herself and her mother of course

[00:16:37] someone that she didn't know very well and and would like to prove herself and like her mother

[00:16:41] to be preyed for then going on to her grandmother who she thought at the beginning of the show when

[00:16:46] we meet her first she believes her grandmother is the greatest ruler you know all of the continent

[00:16:52] that she rules within our infest and um that she doesn't put up with any with any badness she has a

[00:16:58] good relationship with her grandmother and now after everything she's learned she's challenging

[00:17:02] back to her grandmother in this conversation between the two of them where it's actually her

[00:17:07] grandmother saying to Siri what makes you the important one that will lead us yeah I had to make

[00:17:12] tough choices you couldn't possibly make those kind of tough choices and it's her again justifying

[00:17:16] exactly the decision she's made to lead the continent I think there's there's some really good

[00:17:20] things about the scenes yeah absolutely and I mean even just within Siri you know wandering the desert

[00:17:26] effectively going around in circles and points chasing footprints or hoof prints

[00:17:32] ultimately um but you know she is determined and resilient there is that inner resilience and determination

[00:17:38] of her and you know I really like the fact that she's I will not die here you know she keeps

[00:17:45] going she gets the eggs to eat something and to get some liquids yeah take one of the lizards

[00:17:53] eats it but unfortunately it's poisonous uh but I like that I also really love the fact that

[00:17:59] all the way through this there's a hell of a lot of bad language coming from Siri um it really

[00:18:07] I just liked that because I think if I was in that position I would just be throwing my head off

[00:18:12] for the time and I kind of liked that it wasn't this pure trial it felt sort of really

[00:18:22] down dirty tough and Siri responds in that way and who wouldn't after you know she's been in

[00:18:33] the company Geralt and I think gave and said that she's obviously learned from her time with

[00:18:40] Geralt when the first thing she says when she arrives in the desert is what the eff is going on

[00:18:45] you know like we left her last episode of the elevator episode six with this explosion in

[00:18:50] twerlar we didn't know that she whether she got there of it we assumed she had of course because

[00:18:54] we'd seen inside where she's interacting with with the model with I definitely suspected though

[00:18:59] that we were going to be on a different plane of existence that the truth is that I don't know

[00:19:03] another part of the continent I thought it was going to have some connection with the wild hunt

[00:19:08] but she was going to be back in that realm I thought I thought actually I thought it was going

[00:19:13] to be taking her across time and space not just space effectively yeah although the time of it

[00:19:21] we're not entirely sure of either at this moment because you know the the other side of this is

[00:19:29] you know I was going was was Vildefort here you know because I had he perished in that explosion

[00:19:35] because it's not like he suddenly followed her through the port for exactly and indeed I just

[00:19:41] the the cloaked figure in they came and went and they ultimately ended up being falca

[00:19:49] I thought potentially was going to be Vildefort and you get the nice little sort of

[00:19:56] open meaning of Siri waking up after she's gone unconscious after announcing the fire magic

[00:20:04] with the bounty hunter saying she's the one he wants you know leaving it quite open and because

[00:20:10] we hadn't seen Vildefort so I was going maybe it's him and time has passed substantially

[00:20:16] or the other side of it is MIA and for it MIA exactly a Nilfgaard so yeah that was it

[00:20:25] it was an interesting way to end it because it ended with just those couple of seconds of her waking up

[00:20:29] with them looking down on her but it got me going did any of this happen at all in the desert

[00:20:33] what she transported there through the monolith and landed in the desert and had her 40 days,

[00:20:38] 40 nights or what she knocked out and these three guys just came upon her after she had this wild

[00:20:44] experience all in her mind you know I just wasn't sure afterwards whether they just met her

[00:20:50] right on the edge of the desert because the perspective that you see is three guys looking directly

[00:20:54] down on her on the ground right she's not you're not seeing the vast desert behind them and then

[00:20:59] walking through the desert so that's true and and of course it could be that as well and it could

[00:21:06] mean is this is this a different plane of existence because we don't know oh well that that too

[00:21:14] yeah I just assumed that she came back to herself with them staring down over at woke up with them

[00:21:20] staring down over but I wasn't sure whether that whole piece had taken place it actually

[00:21:24] taken place it doesn't really matter because figuratively it has yes series has those battles in her

[00:21:28] mind she's made her decisions and whether it actually happened in the desert or not I don't know

[00:21:34] no exactly that's it's happened either consciously or subconsciously yeah these events and again

[00:21:42] because of the close-up of both the men looking down at her and Siri I mean we can talk about it later

[00:21:48] but even in the following episodes there's not much context as to her location in time or space

[00:21:56] either so I mean that is still a bit up in the air to be honest exactly as well so you know it's

[00:22:04] a big part of it it takes off a huge chunk of the episode and I think on first viewing you kind of go

[00:22:10] all this just feels like it suddenly comes screeching to a halt compared to the previous two but in

[00:22:16] the end I kind of pretty much enjoyed this episode for giving you know Siri her front and center

[00:22:24] moment in terms of figuring it out for herself because she's getting lots of advice from Geralt

[00:22:30] and Jennifer there are other people wanting to give you know advice to her like when she

[00:22:37] exploded the monolith you could hear Vilderfort crying out to give her advice to stop effectively

[00:22:44] so she's always been given advice and this was the moment for her to come to terms with everything

[00:22:51] as to how she is dealing with it exactly exactly and there's people all across the continent who

[00:22:57] are trying to grab her and bring her to their place to make them the most powerful place on the

[00:23:01] continent you know um so yeah that it that that is the benefit of this episode that it gives her a

[00:23:06] moment to put everybody else out of mind and make those decisions for herself whatever way she she

[00:23:12] goes through that so yeah good stuff Derek what about yourself well that is the majority of the

[00:23:16] episode really is Siri so I've actually called my my big moment uh yes here ties the room together

[00:23:22] um because he kind of goes place to place um connecting with everybody and uh and gathering the

[00:23:28] story together as he is a part he's a good storyteller so he he's able to pull everything together across

[00:23:33] at what's going on in the continent so he arrives in the aftermath of our truce and I do love the shop

[00:23:38] because we see things still smoking uh in our truce as he goes through the ruins trying to find

[00:23:46] Geralt and Yannifer and potentially Siri um but who he does find is Prince Vat of it uh who they had a

[00:23:52] pretty bad ending um the last time they were together um Radavid saying uh that he thought he'd never

[00:23:59] see Yaskur again and Yaskur gonna go and yeah that was the plan I never wanted to see again but

[00:24:03] I like that he sets up his escape route for Radavid to get him back to Rodania um and it's not

[00:24:11] self-serving he's not doing it for anything other than Radavid is in a really tough position here

[00:24:18] he will die if he's left behind on his own since all those guards are gone so um since Yaskur has

[00:24:24] the route available to him he'll set it up so that Radavid can get back to Rodania. Yeah that might

[00:24:29] actually be a glimmer of hope for this relationship which you call actually um I do I do like the

[00:24:35] fact that Radavid you know even though he does kind of say you know I'll come back and help you

[00:24:42] um Yaskur doesn't want that but Radavid kind of persists here saying you know I want to prove to

[00:24:48] you that I'm more than a mask exactly which was the passing terms from the previous episode

[00:24:54] of the two that you know I thought there was something behind the mask but there wasn't exactly so

[00:24:59] there is a bit of a glimmer of hope here um exactly which is kind of interesting yeah like Radavid

[00:25:05] is basically proclaiming that he's gonna bring back his own army to help the mate he's gonna be on

[00:25:10] Yaskur's side um but as you say yeah Yaskur doesn't uh doesn't give him the opportunity to do

[00:25:14] that he's saying I'm gonna get you out of here you'll be safe and you'll be gone and we won't see

[00:25:18] each other again yeah basically and he also just give him some advice as well in that he says you

[00:25:25] he kind of says there's no way that Siri could have survived Taurilara exploding you should go

[00:25:32] and find Geralt first as well and he says this because Radavid's kind of perception is that when Geralt

[00:25:39] finds out about Siri potentially dying at least as Radavid understands what happened with the

[00:25:46] explosion and then you need to find Geralt first because otherwise Geralt's just gonna

[00:25:52] turn the world apart um trying to find as long as you need to tell him that Siri's gone before

[00:25:56] he tore it tears apart the constant looking for yeah and so um but that sends Yaskur all

[00:26:02] meant to find Yennefer exactly um again have a little bit of a ban tour between the two of them

[00:26:08] it's witch and bards um you know but uh but they do have a nice moment where the two of them

[00:26:14] discuss what's happening where they uh work out exactly where each of them stands that she's

[00:26:20] able to tell Yaskur that Geralt has been taken to Brooklyn Forest to be cured that's where

[00:26:27] Triss had to take him um to get to get healed after the battle with with Vildaforch so

[00:26:35] that's how Yaskur knows where to find Geralt um she needs to stay behind and and clean up

[00:26:40] what's left and in our truce it really and I'm joined with her uh with her the brotherhood

[00:26:46] what's left of the of the brotherhood um to fix up the place effectively uh so we kind of tying

[00:26:52] those points together he's telling her he's going off and Yaskur shares with um Yennefer that he

[00:26:57] thinks potentially Siri's gone on that explosion because he's been told that by Prince Radavid

[00:27:02] so yeah and then he heads off to go meet up with Geralt item vocal and forest with the dryads

[00:27:07] nice moment there where we see him using his his beardly skills trying to get in uh through to the

[00:27:12] forest he sings uh the enchanted flower um and as they hear the song from him they realize that he's

[00:27:19] the kind of person that they should actually be letting in there and he finds that this is a place

[00:27:24] of refuge for everybody that's trying to hide from the war we see Dara in there again uh who's been

[00:27:29] a constant moving piece uh through eight last three seasons of the show he's kind of a simple

[00:27:34] up here everywhere and different different locations for different groups of people but again

[00:27:38] these is a whole group of people that are all hiding out from this war between the northern

[00:27:43] kingdoms and uh a Nilfgaard as well so um so I kind of like the placement here of Yaskur going

[00:27:50] between all of these parties gathering all the information then kind of bringing it back to Geralt

[00:27:53] who's been lying on his back now for a couple of days trying to get healed yeah absolutely

[00:27:59] I think Yaskur's little song was really good and it was very touching uh and I just thought

[00:28:05] how the the dryads react is you know you really sense that um and of course he does land

[00:28:12] the bombshell as well to to Geralt that Siri is not dead but missing because seemingly on his way

[00:28:20] to Brocklohn Forest he has picked up intel and rumors uh as you would being a bard making your way

[00:28:29] across uh you know from pub to pub across the continent uh to get to the forest but he says that

[00:28:36] you know she is missing and is on her but has been captured and she's on her way to Nilfgaard

[00:28:44] dint dint dint and I kind of like that because um you know it just shows you how Yaskur is tuned in

[00:28:52] to the sort of the rumour mill or the you know the intelligence network effectively from his time

[00:29:02] saving elves from the northern armies exactly exactly but that was it that was my main point

[00:29:08] from the episode and uh John as we said most of the episode at taking place uh through at your

[00:29:13] main point of Siri in the desert any other note anything else you wanted to call out about the

[00:29:17] in-note I have is we have the witch's version of um the salak pit effectively um with the the

[00:29:25] glupy looking oasis that Siri is kind of hopeful give her uh some fluids and and water

[00:29:35] and it ends up being looking rather glupy um and in the end is is a creature lying in wait to trap

[00:29:42] prey who thinks exactly the same thing which I kind of quite liked or maybe not salak pits but the

[00:29:48] worms from June um so uh I like that and I also liked the uh rock monster d d d d d d

[00:29:58] as well because again that was something that would be 52s for you exactly a little bit of B52s

[00:30:05] always but just because you know the rock monster does injure her only friend little horse that she

[00:30:14] has found on this journey or at least in her mind whatever it may be yeah and so you know that prompts

[00:30:22] her to take falkers um advice to use the fire magic in order to save the only thing that has

[00:30:33] been good about the desert which is this companion that has helped her try and get out of the desert

[00:30:41] or her subconscious exactly exactly that's that's kind of what I like about uh the unicorn because

[00:30:47] you know she even mentions when she meets the unicorn first time um yeah if it doesn't even believe

[00:30:52] you exist you know yeah um that's the first thing she says and then reaches out to try and stroke it

[00:30:57] and it walks away from her doesn't let uh Siri touch it or ride its back or anything like that it is a

[00:31:03] presence this um mythical creature the presence throughout leading her along yeah so you're all

[00:31:09] that almost made me question even more hang on a second as any of this even happening is this

[00:31:14] all happening in in her own head you know um is that what it's for uh did love the glute monster

[00:31:19] I thought it was cool that we again see series amazing skills from her witchering coming out as she

[00:31:24] uh does her huge backflip to get away from that massive master of sharp teeth uh very cool to see

[00:31:30] that and again it's not that it comes down to a choice of using fire magic or being a witcher at this

[00:31:34] point here it's that we see both sides of her here in this moment on our own we see her try and

[00:31:39] use the fire magic to save um little horse and we see her escaping using her uh her witcher moves

[00:31:46] I suppose yeah exactly good stuff overall done I want about the episode itself what did you think of

[00:31:51] this episode um I think after this I think after the second time of watching I give this full rock

[00:31:57] monsters out of five I think it's really necessary to see series perspective here um you know and I

[00:32:03] think you know whilst on my first watching I probably would have given this three or three and a half

[00:32:12] it was just because it felt so slow and I was still expecting I was expecting all the yasky

[00:32:18] stuff really um and the panic and the urgency around our achievers are being destroyed and I thought

[00:32:27] her being transported by the portal um we were gonna see some kind of big coming together of

[00:32:35] and villager for like a confrontation yeah and so it didn't play out like that so I was kind of

[00:32:41] you know on initial watch of this episode it was like what's happening here but in the end

[00:32:48] it actually subverts all that because it is about what's happening with Siri and I think you know

[00:32:54] these stories do need that when she is the central focus but still it's as to whether it's playing

[00:33:00] out in reality or in her subconscious um and whether she's being um the only thing you can probably

[00:33:09] say is the monolith transported her to safety from the explosion and again the actual time and space

[00:33:20] of this is not really that clear yeah yeah so I think after my second time of watching plus

[00:33:27] I think just our discussion here now I would give this four rock monsters out of five

[00:33:33] did did did did did did did did did did did did did do miss me a few notes there but wait but I know what you're talking about

[00:33:37] definitely uh good old rock lobster from b 52 and I'm definitely up with you on this I think the

[00:33:43] expectation I had for this episode yeah let me down when I watch the episode what you know what they say

[00:33:49] of that expectations right um again having this discussion here about the point of the episode

[00:33:54] in the fact that it is from serious perspective which is really important in the show she is a central

[00:33:58] character and we tend to have her dragged here in there trained to do this this is your future this

[00:34:04] is how you must live um all we ever hear is her pushing back on that and people pushing against her

[00:34:09] but we don't get a moment with Siri on her own uh to contemplate what's going on and contemplate the

[00:34:16] future leader she's going to be so for that reason the episode was really important um in the execution

[00:34:23] the episode following the last two really packed jam packed episodes of the show where it is just her

[00:34:29] in the desert on her own it felt like the pacing was completely off and it felt like um they could have

[00:34:34] had more uh some of the other storylines in there to balance it out as an episode but hey look there

[00:34:39] was one more episode to go in this season and we needed to take this pause with with Siri so I

[00:34:43] understand the choices it's not my favorite episode the series but we don't judge episode by episode

[00:34:48] when we're looking at it in terror season right sure so yeah yeah good stuff and we do have a little

[00:34:52] bit of feedback in for this episode we did get an email in from uh coffee and vodka um about episode seven

[00:34:57] and eight so I'm going to save that till the end of the next episode but we did get a message over on

[00:35:02] Facebook from Dr Bob Phillips yes Dr Bob Phillips said it's not very fair for Siri to have gone through

[00:35:08] all the temptation and terrors of the wilderness including the saliva oasis I love that one just to be

[00:35:14] dragged away by Nilfgaard I have to admit it was only at that point I realized we weren't in another

[00:35:21] realm or were we where were you in our mind or were here in our mind exactly um Dr Bob continues

[00:35:30] I can see now how the regeneration of garrot will be the triumphant exit for the mortally wounded

[00:35:35] gruntsman and I was touched but still 20% day routine that prince rassy would give up his first for

[00:35:42] the bard um is it me or is jasuke becoming less annoying or is it just that like persistent toddler

[00:35:50] my tolerance has grown uh well Dr Bob I would say I think jasuke is becoming certainly more mature

[00:35:59] yes like I think his time serving the elf underground railroads has probably made him more mature

[00:36:07] but he still certainly has his moments he does and I think we've always liked uh jasuke a bit

[00:36:12] more than Dr Bob has like yes he's more worldly now and I think you can see that in his handling

[00:36:18] of uh prince rassy as well prince around him it yes absolutely um and and you're right that is the

[00:36:24] kind of character you know we saw him in the first season he yes he may have traveled the world um

[00:36:30] selling everything for a song um and sleeping with everything he mess on the way but yeah

[00:36:36] now we are few seasons in he's experienced love really for the first time uh this season so

[00:36:42] uh yeah I think I think he's kind of he should be growing on you I think that's the point of the

[00:36:45] character he should have been irritating to begin with uh and become uh more interesting as the

[00:36:50] seasons went on yeah good stuff thanks dr Bob yeah thanks dr Bob if you want to get in contact with us

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[00:37:04] discuss your thoughts on the episodes as well we're gonna take a break before we go into the next

[00:37:10] episode of the witcher the final episode for season three the cost of chaos see you in a moment bye

[00:37:20] you're useless and he's truly useless neither of you is any good to that girl dead

[00:37:26] every day that I spend here is another that series in danger just because you're hiding from

[00:37:32] the world doesn't mean that I have to

[00:37:53] I'm we're back with our final episode of season three of the witcher

[00:37:57] episode eight the cost of chaos yes yeah of course still based on the book series by androgyz

[00:38:04] Sapkowski and the game series from seedy project red with showrunner laryz with his witch

[00:38:09] and this episode once again directed by bala ogon who directed episode seven the episode was

[00:38:14] written by mike australian and uh Troy dangerfield uh mike is a co-exacted producer on the show and

[00:38:19] wrote an episode and sees more than two along with episode one of season three excellent stuff

[00:38:24] and Troy was a righteous assistant on the witcher blood origin and this is his first writing credit

[00:38:29] on the main witcher ship good stuff good see uh all that kind of promotion stuff within

[00:38:37] the writing team yeah I think it's become kind of more to light with the writer strike going on

[00:38:42] on what they're fighting for in getting credits for shows and what a credit actually means to a

[00:38:47] writer there's a whole writers room that's been involved in these shows for since the beginning since

[00:38:52] laryn smith hizorich set up that writers room back in in season one so that path of

[00:38:57] frozen is really important to writers because that's how they get paid their money and that's how

[00:39:01] they get paid residuals for an episode airing right so and so good to see that they do stick by that

[00:39:06] at least with the witcher for uh for their shows and bring up people that uh we're in the background

[00:39:11] or we're working uh with the full team throughout the previous series yeah good stuff and john do you

[00:39:16] want to tell us what they gave us with the finale of the witcher season three and your synopsis sure

[00:39:23] searching for seri yanafer and her fellow sorcerers raid villager forts fortress at vulpan they only

[00:39:30] find the corpses of the kidnapped artusian novices and work together to restore their bodies so

[00:39:36] they can receive a proper burial a vulpan to say it is confronted by philipa who blamed her for the

[00:39:42] tragic outcome of the thanded island coup because of her relationship with villager forts but to say

[00:39:49] her pushes back blaming philipa for sighting with rodania after their return to aratusa

[00:39:54] guilt ridden and resigned to say her takes her own life in rodania and angry and disappointed king

[00:40:01] vizimir orders dextra to murder philipa as punishment for the failed coup but philipa orchestrates vizimir's

[00:40:09] assassination instead crowning prince radevid the new king before he can leave to help yasuke

[00:40:16] yanafer travels to brocclion and heals garalt as best she can as he recovers he is joined by yasuke

[00:40:24] and an archer milver and they leave brocclion to follow the rumours about syri and savor it from

[00:40:30] emperor emir and nilf guard meanwhile fringilla and franchesca also arrive at nilf guard secretly

[00:40:37] plotting against emir but when fringilla accidentally reveals the truth about nilf guard's part in

[00:40:44] the murder of franchesca's baby franchesca leaves in anger swearing revenge on her and emperor emir

[00:40:52] in the great hall at nilf guard emir flanked by a disfigured villager fort welcomes syri to the

[00:40:59] nilf guard in court a little does he realize that who he thinks is syri is in fact heron one of the

[00:41:05] missing artusian novices kidnapped by villager fort and posing as syri elsewhere in a tavern

[00:41:12] somewhere on the continent the real syri is still held captive by the bounty hunters but she

[00:41:19] and another captive called keli are saved by a bandit group known as the rats that keli is a

[00:41:24] member of they let her join them after she accepts their offer to fight her captor killing him

[00:41:30] and making her first human kill when the rats ask her name syri introduces herself as falca

[00:41:38] an absolutely jam packed for the how they have to really is after we talked about episode 7 where

[00:41:43] mostly focused on syri in the desert and some surrounding elements but you ask you this episode

[00:41:49] absolutely packed and freezing around the consul yeah redania nilf guard altusa

[00:41:56] vulpán wherever syri is and broklyn of course broklyn yeah exactly where are we going to start with

[00:42:05] our big moments for the episode that john where do you want to start well my big moment for this

[00:42:10] episode is the great welcome of of syri because two things primarily well maybe three actually

[00:42:22] yes it is it's build your thoughts is alive yes he's here i love the disfigurement that he has

[00:42:30] and on his face as a result of that explosion at tolora and he's alive he survived his

[00:42:39] sort of maca valiantite plotting is still very much alive and well on the continent

[00:42:46] and this is seen immediately by the fact that you know he is pulling off terran who we met before

[00:42:53] and as syri he knows very well that that is not syri yes and but he has is passing her off a syri

[00:43:03] to the emperor amir who it is you know hoodwinked in this moment as you know all the regalia of

[00:43:12] nilf guard is assembled in this great hall to welcome her you know his daughter and their savior

[00:43:21] effectively this powerful syri and i'm really pleased as well that terran pops up again because i

[00:43:28] kind of wondered what happened to her so i like the fact that you know the the machinations

[00:43:35] the experimentation that build force was doing and has now you know has come to fruition that this

[00:43:43] part of his plan has come to fruition you know if he if he wasn't able to hold on to the real syri

[00:43:49] in that explosion of tolora he is you know he's showing his flexibility here right well i will go

[00:44:00] ahead with this all the plan maybe it was his plan all along who knows maybe and i wonder if he

[00:44:06] if he thinks syri is dead in the explosion into her lera he may do yeah is he is he thinking that she

[00:44:12] didn't get transported away um that she's dead so he kind of goes do you know what i have a backup plan

[00:44:19] to bring back to me here and kind of say i did accomplish my goal here this is your daughter uh who

[00:44:25] you haven't met since she was a very young child so um so i can i can use terran to replace him

[00:44:31] yeah exactly and it also makes me wonder something that isn't uh isn't confirmed in this episode the

[00:44:35] last time we saw this character terran uh she was left with uh anika and also garros france

[00:44:43] to take care of her so has villas reports come back and stolen terran from the two of them

[00:44:49] well exactly yeah they may not have survived and you know we we saw him pushing estrid through

[00:44:55] you know his black portal has he sort of been going to him yeah and all this kind of stuff you know

[00:45:01] because he does hold information that villas reports wouldn't have known about i mean the other side

[00:45:07] of this as well because it is his daughter i know she was very young um and you know this is

[00:45:15] his older daughter that he's not seen for so long and but i just wondered whether

[00:45:21] mma knew he was being lied to here by villas reports by parading terran as seri here because

[00:45:30] he is a cl- he seems very clever emperor he you know he's got relatively good intel

[00:45:42] i think yeah within this world and i just i just wondered i don't necessarily think i think he

[00:45:50] knows he's being lied to but i just thought oh that'd be kind of interesting if he was knowingly

[00:45:56] parading her in front of villas reports it's just because villas reports looks so smug here

[00:46:01] yeah even though half his face looked like it melted off uh and i had to say i just that was great

[00:46:08] seeing that disfigurement of villas reports you know it's come as a lie exactly you know

[00:46:14] where he's standing there with that acclaim in that hall has come as a price for him personally

[00:46:21] exactly at least and so yeah that that was my big moment because i just thought okay now we know

[00:46:26] you know it also it links back to the previous episode we now know that there's bounty hunters

[00:46:32] whilst they may have been talking about him yet haven't got her to uh nilf guards yet despite all

[00:46:40] the rooms circulating that yaskia has picked up you know that she has been captured by nilf guard

[00:46:45] and is going back there they were clearly about terran they were clear it yeah exactly clearly

[00:46:50] about terran yeah yeah which is really interesting again terran was able to pass yourself off

[00:46:54] like an episode two she had to pass herself off as seri that was the big surprise this doppelganger

[00:47:00] of seri who believed that she was seri um was under this was under the spell effectively um so i

[00:47:06] guess she's back under that spell again yeah back under it she may think that she is seri right exactly

[00:47:12] um so it's a really interesting one to leave all fun yeah she does yeah so it's an interesting one

[00:47:17] to leave the series off on because we don't get much more of it but we have to wait till season four

[00:47:20] whenever that's going to come out to find out how this is all connected put an interesting way to

[00:47:26] leave off um that story you know exactly i think the other side of it as well is you know whilst we're

[00:47:32] in nilf guard we do get to see fringilla and francesca arrive here as well whilst they're trying to

[00:47:41] plot their way um with against amir we do see him immediately um offering fringilla and imperial

[00:47:50] governorship of centriarch you know so there's there's the carrot but at the same time then he

[00:47:55] requests in a threatening way to francesca that you know the scoyotel will still fight with his forces

[00:48:05] or all the elves will die so he's not the generous passive um protector and champion of elves like

[00:48:15] francesca thinks and you know here is the stick um and the stick the depth of that stick the depth

[00:48:25] of amir's scheming um it is is made even more apparent to francesca when fringilla reveals that it

[00:48:34] was amir that ordered her to kill francesca's baby in order to keep her on his side and you know

[00:48:44] fringilla knew and had lied to francesca and so you know all of a sudden francesca realizes that

[00:48:52] this whole alliance with amir is built on sand it's not an equal partnership like maybe he's

[00:48:59] promised her um and she you know is forthright in her anger and the revenge that she will extract

[00:49:08] not just on amir but also on fringilla for what she did she was the executioner and amir gave

[00:49:16] the orders and she hid it from her yeah and he did and this was past the reason I think as well

[00:49:22] just that whole sort of scheme from amir you know he plays the long game I just suddenly felt

[00:49:31] would he be easily hoodwinked like that by villager force you know I just wondered I think that's why

[00:49:37] I got that little sort of spark in my mind as to whether this was the true hoodwink that

[00:49:44] villager force thought he was doing to amir right and because in a sense fringilla had done that

[00:49:51] to him by escaping and surviving you know yeah so I think amir has plays a long game here is crafty

[00:50:02] as well and maca valian as much as villager force and I just wondered is this you know meeting

[00:50:08] is match dupe as they I'm on tally sure that's true but it just kind of threw me into that space because

[00:50:16] of these scenes between amir fringilla and fringesco yeah no I understand that I kind of like the play

[00:50:23] from villager force here though because it is one of those ones where it's been out in the grapevine

[00:50:28] girl with white blonde hair around this age group if you find her send her on to the to the king

[00:50:33] and we haven't had a moment where you know he's looked at in this a hundred girls with blonde hair

[00:50:38] sitting at there claiming to be his daughter we haven't had those moments at all so I kind of

[00:50:43] liked the idea in this world where you know we don't have television and we don't have you know

[00:50:48] broadcast of the internet of pictures of what Siri actually looks like that somebody could be

[00:50:53] hoodwinked by someone who looks similar who has the memories of her and is pretending to be her

[00:50:58] I kind of like that potentially fields of horse is able to hoodwink a mere here and fringesco was

[00:51:04] going to take up the offer if he agreed to her offer they know they had the plan going in there

[00:51:09] were going to turn it all on a mirror but it seems like fringesco was going to take it she wants

[00:51:13] to leave the war and the fighting yeah so if he was allowing the elves to settle in cinch in zentrea

[00:51:22] it feels like she was going to take that offer but he only offers that only the elderly

[00:51:26] the infirm and children will be allowed to go there and all the rest of the scotal will continue to

[00:51:31] fight as effectively the leading forest that can die on the battlefield yeah and they will fight

[00:51:36] until they do die or else all of the elves will be white dash is the offer he gives but it feels

[00:51:41] like fringesco was willing to step away from the battle if she was allowed to live there with all

[00:51:48] of her people yeah exactly which again considering you know this is the battle of elves and humans

[00:51:54] and all the creatures on the continent of fields interesting that they would have that she would

[00:51:58] have stepped away with her entire people yeah yeah good stuff Derek what about yourself what's your

[00:52:05] big moment i have to take um to say i as my big moment from the episode and i'm to a relationship

[00:52:12] of philipa as we see it here you know it was kind of alluded to a few episodes ago that the reason

[00:52:17] that they broke up us as friends was because of the relationship that to say i had with

[00:52:22] with villi force the um the battle that to say i began that philipa couldn't stand behind

[00:52:29] and here we have the kind of outcome of all of that you know philipa was right technically

[00:52:34] it shouldn't have trusted it shouldn't have led with your heart shouldn't have gone with villi

[00:52:38] force shouldn't allow him to manipulate you um i do like that to say it pushes back as well though

[00:52:44] and says you know well hang on a second you're aligned with dexter and you're aligned with the

[00:52:49] Rodenian king um you are as culpable not massive battle as i am both of us trusted the wrong people

[00:52:57] did you do it for power in uh in uh Rodenia you know um both them do come together um in order to

[00:53:05] bury the uh the lost recruits who were taken from our trusa we have them all working together

[00:53:12] assemble them from the the thing like creature the villi force are created from their bodies yeah

[00:53:19] so they do work together for that moment but again um they do split apart as to say it goes back

[00:53:24] to our trusa with the rest of the sorcerers um and they are making their plan for how to come back

[00:53:30] from this um to say uh unfortunately decides that that's time she can't uh do anymore she's done

[00:53:37] everything she can do um takes her own life yeah yeah exactly it's interesting isn't because you know

[00:53:44] there is that talk that series going to Nilfgaard and i you know i think the weight i think

[00:53:49] you know what's at stake here it between these sorcerers as they're in vulpan you know if she

[00:53:55] decides with Nilfgaard the whole continent shifts you know that it's a big big deal um and

[00:54:04] you know they go to his fort villi force fort um or castle you know to see whether syri

[00:54:13] is there yeah and she's not um but also then when they're back in our trusa um you know you have

[00:54:20] to say that really is needing this pep talk from you and you know don't let villi force make you

[00:54:27] forget who you are um you think it's kind of worked but then you slowly realize as the preparing

[00:54:36] this um service for the dead half elf half human uh girls and students that um you know she's

[00:54:45] writing her letter uh to them yeah i'd love the lesser that she's writing and the sentiment that comes

[00:54:51] before at this explanation of what to say it had to do to get the cease at the table she had to

[00:54:57] change women from their nature so that they could be seen as lesser by men so that they could take

[00:55:03] their cease at the table she had to make sure that women that were joining the brotherhood could no

[00:55:08] longer have children they could no longer be able to get pregnant and because of that

[00:55:14] they called her bold they called her powerful and at the same level as the rest of them

[00:55:20] because they were taking away this power that only women had yeah and asks her to be the mother

[00:55:26] that they need her to be now yeah now that they are the women that are left within this society

[00:55:32] this group and to say it explains in the letter then that magic is not a gift it is a trade

[00:55:39] she leaves the note and pays the price for what she has done with the magic that she's

[00:55:43] been given and her part in starting this war yeah absolutely i think as well you know there's

[00:55:50] an impetus there from this death as well um what Gianna articulates you know to the remaining

[00:55:59] mages at Aratusa you know we need to preserve the magic order and eliminate villager fort

[00:56:07] you know there's a clear enemy here now and it is villager forts yeah and it is maintaining

[00:56:14] um some kind of brotherhood at Aratusa and and that magic order yeah used to exist yeah so i

[00:56:24] you know i'm glad that something that determination came from yen with the death of her

[00:56:31] closest person at Aratusa and her mentor in Taseya absolutely and someone who's

[00:56:38] effectively apologized in two different ways for her treatment of yen since she first

[00:56:43] found her yeah we heard earlier on in the season when um yen is talking about her relationship

[00:56:49] with Siri and Taseya going despite all odds you have become a mother and here she's taking

[00:56:55] responsibility for her doing that to all of the um the female mages just coming into this group

[00:57:01] that she takes responsibility for what she did and that was the choice that they made her take

[00:57:06] to get her seat at the table in the brotherhood as well so i thought that was a really interesting

[00:57:11] side of an end to Taseya's tale uh as you know has been told throughout the last three seasons

[00:57:18] on the other side philippo returns to uh to uh radenia yes as well um with a new plan for the north

[00:57:27] but we have dexter arriving first talk into the king saying that prince radev is missing but they will

[00:57:32] find him that's that's the plan and the king saying well you haven't delivered them what

[00:57:37] you said you were going to deliver you told me this battle was going to be easy one you have

[00:57:41] uh the approach uh that will allow us to to win this fight dexter back tracks and kind of says well

[00:57:47] this went wrong and that went wrong and this this thing but yeah i'll sort of it for you don't worry

[00:57:51] i'll find your brother no matter where he's hiding uh we will find him wherever and he is told

[00:57:57] that no matter what happens someone will have to pay for their failure yeah i mean i really liked

[00:58:02] how dexter put it actually you know our plan was sound but look wasn't on our side um you know

[00:58:10] the the messenger that failed to get the uh the the bigger thing around villager thoughts

[00:58:17] but vezmia is like you know we need consequences or how will the people look up to me exactly

[00:58:23] where is my brother is he could be dead in a ditch as far as i know um and so ultimately

[00:58:31] you know as you say we need consequences and the scapegoat for this failure as declared by

[00:58:39] vezmia is filipan dexter has to be the one and together exactly so i loved how this was being set up

[00:58:47] with filipa returning to uh radania to uh the royal palace and then how that rug was pulled from

[00:58:55] your feet uh with what transpired yeah and the fact that she has prince radavid with her um who dexter

[00:59:01] said he didn't know where radavid was so not only has dexter been told the filipa has to be the one

[00:59:08] to be punished for the failure she's now turned up with exactly what he said he couldn't deliver

[00:59:13] either so yeah so that's quite a that's quite an interesting play on it but um how it plays out

[00:59:19] dexter and filipa um and the knife effectively that dexter is about to you think kill filipa with

[00:59:26] and then he turns it on himself tries to get sacrifice himself tries to give himself up yeah

[00:59:31] but again filipas couple of steps ahead um i love that i love what she said she said i always knew

[00:59:36] i could count on your loyalty you know that yeah what we had yeah was solid and i think

[00:59:43] you know that makes perfect sense to me like that's why i loved how the scene played out because

[00:59:49] and i've loved the two of them together and used to got the sense that there was

[00:59:54] a real team that working together yes possibly slightly a skew because dexter and

[01:00:05] was the main you know was the head of the intelligence but i love that she said

[01:00:11] she said i always knew that i could count on your loyalty and then what transpires from that as well

[01:00:18] so i just loved how this kind of cascade into you know the murder of vis-a-me-ya then after

[01:00:26] shoot was going to be and was being set up as the murder of filipa yeah and and then twisted

[01:00:34] to be possibly the murderer of dexter you know yeah we end off not losing either of them

[01:00:38] we end up losing the king so please and lung live king radavit exactly and also filipas

[01:00:45] friends you know so she's killed the king and the queen that's on this season so i like the fact

[01:00:51] that it was her filipas lover that was doing this yeah who's one of the the courtes you know

[01:00:58] which i mean it was just really good you see kind of radavit you know not really being able to

[01:01:04] process what's just happened because you know the king is the dead and the crown has been taken

[01:01:11] out of the pool the blood absolutely placed on his head yes and the other thing is about that scene

[01:01:18] is radavit has come back and is getting all of his fur is sold so that he can

[01:01:24] bring his army back to meet yasky and now he's become king of radania yeah um completely against

[01:01:30] his wishes he had the conversation with the king saying i found my true calling i know what i

[01:01:34] want to do i wanted to go and support the person that i've met effectively and gets the blessing

[01:01:40] of the king to leave um because he's never found a place for him properly in the court never

[01:01:45] found him as a good prince never found him as a good courtier so he was about to leave he was he he was

[01:01:51] almost able and they dragged him back in exactly yeah filipas plans have gone as she predicted

[01:01:57] radavits not so much and unfortunately yasky is never going to know right yeah exactly yes he's

[01:02:03] never going to know that he was about to leave there and do exactly what he said and go back

[01:02:07] and support him so it's an interesting set up for season four i suppose yeah with this king on

[01:02:12] the throne who will definitely be less challenging to what dexter and filipa want to do yeah

[01:02:19] with that you know is what lawful do that's what mean the the flame that is there and his promise to

[01:02:27] yasky at you just never know yeah yeah you never know he may ease himself onto that throne and into

[01:02:33] that crown quite nicely nice you never know you never know um that's that's it from my point really

[01:02:39] about say in filipa um we probably have a couple of notes um to mention because this is the final

[01:02:45] episode the season so a couple of things that were set up in this in this episode that hey

[01:02:48] the show's called the witcher we haven't even talked about what happened with Geralt that is true

[01:02:52] is episode Geralt being restored and from at the wounds that he got from villager force they tried

[01:03:00] everything in brokul and forest they've tried everything to try and cure him and kind of like the

[01:03:05] banter between this new character milver yeah in this episode it was all a little bit of a last

[01:03:10] episode but a bit of banter from her and as she joins the group and a bit of criticism of

[01:03:17] of Geralt trying to push himself and love that consistently i think she ends almost every sent

[01:03:22] every conversation with him uh and you're dead uh with with that at the end of everything

[01:03:28] showing that she is a very powerful fighter herself and he's making mistakes that he wouldn't

[01:03:32] make if it was at full strength also an interesting little put down to yaskers well as the why

[01:03:37] yasker hangs around with Geralt he wants to be there at the end so he can write a song about

[01:03:42] the end of the witcher and and yaskers responses well i'll get at least three songs out of that

[01:03:49] which was really good as well exactly but these three these three are going to join together and go

[01:03:55] into the sunset i guess to try and find uh Siri you'd mentioned already a bit um about

[01:04:01] yen being at our trusa and then joining together to make sure that villager force won't

[01:04:07] get the chance to use serious source so they're going to be going to nilf guard as well to stop

[01:04:13] this connection between syrian and emir and and villager force um but that's where as i said

[01:04:19] that's where um bilva yasker and Geralt are going um one thing that does happen in here which i

[01:04:28] suppose is of big interest um two things really yen portals into brooklyn and she's the one

[01:04:35] the cures Geralt so they have a final moment together before they go off but Geralt also

[01:04:42] bruise up his own elixir um which is slightly different because he doesn't have the same

[01:04:46] ingredients uh that he would have had back in caramoran um so he is able to fight you can see he's

[01:04:54] not at full strength but has still got the kind of power that he would have had in the past

[01:05:00] um we know that's unfortunately uh henry caval isn't returning to the role of Geralt

[01:05:08] next season we have a we are going to have a new actor as the witcher um

[01:05:14] an interesting final line from yennefer to henry caval in this episode her final line to him

[01:05:20] says um tell me this isn't the last time i'm going to see you yes before he goes off so

[01:05:28] so it is the last time that's these two actors are going to work together yeah she will see the witcher

[01:05:34] again is it going to be Geralt's shuddy elixir that he made from whatever ingredients were

[01:05:39] available in brooklyn uh forest that is going to transform him into leham hamstruth uh next season

[01:05:46] is that is that the indication that we have here uh but they go out the road together and he does

[01:05:51] get another hero moment where he saves people being abused by the soldiers at the border

[01:05:57] uh so we do have another hero moment he is at the road there's no particular indication that he

[01:06:01] started to transform i did think that we're going to do some form of transformation here or

[01:06:06] we'd end the season with henry caval still suffering yeah i was kind of in the same kind of

[01:06:13] mind to be honest i assumed we would see the transformation start because i'm guessing

[01:06:21] maybe leham hamstruth wasn't quite available for that yeah he hasn't filmed yet you know so

[01:06:31] i thought it might start um but yeah i think it's interesting because i was wondering like

[01:06:37] oh we'll get him for a bit of season four but i expect yeah is it the elixir is it the magic

[01:06:44] yen needs is to help him heal yeah it could possibly interact with this you know so that is both

[01:06:53] or is it one of the other you know the elixir or the spell but um it was a really good moment because

[01:07:00] i mean it is in that moment where you really see that yen and garral both need each other both

[01:07:06] thrive off one another and mean so much to one another so i really like that moment for sure

[01:07:13] absolutely so i guess what's actually going to happen because we were kind of speculating was

[01:07:16] it gonna be like a doctor who you think whether it was your regeneration moment that would happen

[01:07:20] here i guess what's going to happen is the way they used to do it in neighbors where he'll take

[01:07:24] a helmet off and it will be leham hamstruth underneath nobody will say a word about to

[01:07:28] write them it's a completely different actor after three seasons of the show yeah it's

[01:07:32] unfortunate that henry caval is going we have the best threats yeah and he's played such a good

[01:07:37] garral obviously sideline after his massive battle with those before us but i do like they gave him

[01:07:41] another hero moment in this episode definitely definitely and i think the only other note from

[01:07:46] me is we have the introduction of the rats definitely yeah but this this youthful band this save

[01:07:55] syry um who is being held captive um well kind of they're to actually save now i i called him

[01:08:04] caley here but the reference is the king of ebbing at the tavern from the bounty hunters but he is

[01:08:13] another captive of these bounty hunters yeah and saved and this is the rats that have come to save

[01:08:19] him as he's one of their members um all knows them at least yeah and this is where then syry is

[01:08:27] also freed as a result of them slashing their way through the band of bounty hunters and

[01:08:37] they ask syry to sort of join with them at least give that offer um but on the condition you know

[01:08:43] they want to see what she's like with a sword why um asking her to you know take on the lead

[01:08:50] captain here what she does and kills him i mean i love it where they're just watching her fight

[01:08:55] and her swordsmanship and they they're like she's playing with him at which he is you know

[01:09:02] and i i kind of you know it's really interesting for all the magic and her being the sauce in a sense

[01:09:09] it is the witcher's training of the swordsmanship that she prefers and you know kind of

[01:09:19] harks back to her not really getting what yana feels saying you're being pretty rubbish in channeling

[01:09:26] the magic so i kind of like this whole thing again in this tavern like i haven't read the books

[01:09:34] so like say reference to the king of ebbing or references to the rats and their background i don't

[01:09:40] really know um again they're just in a tavern there's no contacts there's no talk about them being

[01:09:50] um in nilf gods or you know those those areas of the continent so i'm like going you know

[01:09:57] where are we when is it i do think it is currently at the moment but i like to think that possibly

[01:10:05] there's another bit of rug pulling going on from from the rites is here and as well well potentially but

[01:10:13] the other you know big change here is that siri is on her own here she is joining up with the rats

[01:10:19] and she is calling herself falca after the the vision that she had in episode seven she's

[01:10:27] introducing herself as falca um the bounty hunters or the group of marauders almost that were

[01:10:33] in the bar we're all meeting up with their two captures this character keila and siri and they're

[01:10:40] talking about how much money they're going to make off the back of selling them to whoever the

[01:10:43] perspective people looking for them are so so i don't know whether it was close to no fk or whether

[01:10:48] it was just uh we'll find the best the best price uh for these two uh to prisoners that we have

[01:10:55] i don't know a huge amount of other rats either um what i do know is there is speculation that there

[01:11:00] was a spinoff um coming from uh from hailey hall uh it was one of the writers on the witcher um

[01:11:07] there has been discussions that's potentially filming actually completed on the spinoff the rats

[01:11:13] which was filming uh this year under a different uh a different title um it's

[01:11:19] and filming finished before a June so before the actress strike and the rifre strike so

[01:11:24] um so that's all been completed apparently and this would be the next show that we'd see before

[01:11:28] we see season four of the witcher um so that's quite interesting yeah it is will we see fray

[01:11:35] alan as siri in that show the rats where she's working with them or will it be a prequelist as

[01:11:40] to how keila got to that point in the bar and it's you know six episodes leading up to um

[01:11:46] all their adventures and how they got and how he got captured and how they got there you know

[01:11:50] will it be something like that so uh so we'll see how that uh comes out no official confirmation

[01:11:55] from Netflix that the show is even coming from what i've seen but uh all speculation at the

[01:12:00] moment that this uh this the spinoff um that we'll see from uh this season of the witcher oh excellent

[01:12:05] stuff it would it would be nice if they're gonna do the next spinoff it would be nice if um it ties

[01:12:11] in a bit more uh blood argeon was kind of a spiritual long long prequel thousands of years before

[01:12:18] the witcher and didn't have the kind of connections that you'd expect to have like you would have

[01:12:23] expected the a character like falca who's introduced in this series and as the guiding star for

[01:12:28] syri basically in those conversations that that would have been the character from blood argeon yeah

[01:12:33] but for some reason there's no connection there with blood argeon you know you cut if that's the

[01:12:37] way you should have tied in the two of them i guess i guess the poor reception of the show and

[01:12:42] lower viewership than uh than the witcher they probably thought will disentangle those two from

[01:12:47] each other but uh but hopefully now um if there is the spinoff the rats we will see fray alan over

[01:12:53] uh playing the role of syri for an episode or two but that'd be kind of cool i think so yeah

[01:12:56] excellent stuff last note um should be mentioned because it was quite heavily focused on um when

[01:13:04] garyl just crossing the border and has to pay his tolls across the border he hands over the medallion

[01:13:09] yes to the crossing guard yeah that was interesting what so we saw some flashbacks to the first

[01:13:15] couple of seasons of the show and uh and the witcher's time i suppose uh here that was the only nod to

[01:13:21] the fact really that we won't be seeing henry kavall in the future there are flashbacks to some

[01:13:25] previous moments but this is kind of a big thing for the character to hand over the smd alien yeah um

[01:13:31] and he keeps one of the guards alive so he can tell the tale on what happens here tell a

[01:13:37] nilf guard i'm coming yes yeah good stuff but that's it that's it from my notes for the episode nothing

[01:13:44] else from from you either jana i think no nothing from me so overall what do you think of this as a finale

[01:13:48] for season three i really liked it and i'd give it four and a half changing of the guard out of five

[01:13:55] um yeah i just thought it really kind of just pulled everything together from this season um and it

[01:14:03] navigated around the continent really well um i love just getting that last bit with syry and

[01:14:09] being introduced to the rats so i really hope that there's um a spin off here um ready to go to be honest

[01:14:17] or at least in the works because because that's our winter winter with your show yeah and it can i

[01:14:23] i felt like they kind of all geled there immediately you know a really good introduction to this group

[01:14:30] love but you know call me falca you know real resonance from the previous episodes um milva

[01:14:36] really enjoyed her i'm so glad she's joined Geralt and yaskere as they head for syry and

[01:14:44] it's a real nice addition that loved what went on in radania and just because i really enjoy

[01:14:53] that part of this universe absolutely um i love the fact we got to see villager faults there

[01:14:59] and he's alive he's still sort of you know plotting away and planning and also just you know

[01:15:07] the the deepness at the loss of to say how important she was for yennefer and how um you know that

[01:15:15] spurs them to sort of take up the batten to preserve the magic order and to destroy villager faults

[01:15:21] exactly therefore what's happened and to not only the brotherhood as a whole but for yennefer

[01:15:29] because of to say er because of that personal connection between villager faults and to say er

[01:15:36] but also all the people that have been lost in their their relationships you know and the loved ones

[01:15:43] or their mentors who have died from from that battle yeah so yeah look really really liked it

[01:15:50] um give it four and a half changing of the god out of five Derek what about yourself

[01:15:55] yeah i thought there was was a good finale to the season in fact i think a lot of the episodes this

[01:16:00] season have been really really good there's only been one that i had a problem with and that was

[01:16:03] episode two which tried to do what this episode was doing but just didn't get it right yeah that

[01:16:08] didn't have enough time spent with these the characters but this finale worked so well because we

[01:16:13] had massive character moments like to say er we had massive moments between um other characters that

[01:16:21] we haven't seen interact together you know francesca and frangilla and uh and a mere interaction

[01:16:26] interacting together uh francesca finding out about the death of her child you know their massive

[01:16:32] moments yeah held in here in this episode um while Geralt and Yan were abyss in the back in the

[01:16:38] background and yaskyo were a bit in the background they have been at the foreground for three seasons so

[01:16:42] uh so giving them a bit of the background so that we can set up this wider world what's going to happen

[01:16:48] coming out coming up in season four um felt like the right decision for this final episode

[01:16:53] yeah um i think it landed high um for me um and i'm glad they were able to get the balance right in

[01:16:59] this episode of of touching on everything that's going on across the continent and all these characters

[01:17:03] that were that we've seen on this big multi character show um and giving them all their own time

[01:17:10] uh to breathe and giving some uh some good context around what was happening i think it worked really

[01:17:15] well for me this episode definitely yeah so a good way to to end the season i am looking forward to

[01:17:19] a fourth season the show whenever that uh that comes and whenever uh everybody gets together and

[01:17:24] starts paying their writers and actors and uh and everybody involved in the show uh what they deserve

[01:17:29] for uh for delivering quality entertainment content yeah uh i'm hoping it will be won't take too long

[01:17:34] for them to settle uh their um disagreements at the moment and they're uh their ridiculous position

[01:17:41] on not paying people what they actually deserve uh for their work good stuff yes we have some feedback

[01:17:47] for episode eight uh Derek take us away yeah first up we got an email in from kuffin vodka who was

[01:17:53] talking about episode seven and eight so we held it for this one uh on both uh seven and eight he says

[01:17:57] greetings fellow deserts dwelling defenders the temptations of series or series trial by fire

[01:18:03] and for a bit she even had herself an unicorn friend the mending of Geralt or Geralt's new band

[01:18:09] and yet another mission of similar theme save the princess save the world together these season ending

[01:18:15] episodes give a very clear message it's never good for Geralt and a friend's series to split up

[01:18:20] the performances direction writing were great thoroughly drawing me in and leaving me anxious

[01:18:25] for next season if those to be won milva as a great addition to the troop definitely a shot in the

[01:18:30] arm of an already healthy show again based on the other strengths of the program it doesn't look

[01:18:34] like replacing the main character is a scarier move as one might have thought although it would be

[01:18:39] nice to see sir cowbell return any ideas on what's going on with siri 2.0 one of the LMDs they took

[01:18:45] over perhaps or something else look forward to hearing your thoughts 4.5 crabby stabby crags greedy

[01:18:51] border guard guts serious series of series and roach references extra five peace and take care

[01:18:58] coffee and vodka oh lots of tongue twisters for be there tough coffee and vodka good stuff i

[01:19:04] glad you really enjoyed these last couple episodes um on some of the questions there there is

[01:19:08] gonna be a season four that's already been confirmed uh Liam Hemsworth as as we said is coming in

[01:19:12] to take over the role of of Henry Caval so definitely going to be a season four of the show

[01:19:18] and i believe they've said season four and five at this stage is the plan hopefully the spin-off

[01:19:23] of of the rats um is coming as well on siri 2.0 yet that that's tern we we saw her really on

[01:19:30] the season she was one of the recruits that was taken by villager forts from our trusa so

[01:19:35] uh so she's back there and yeah we're speculating that she doesn't uh know any better that she thinks

[01:19:40] that she's siri like she did when when Geralt first met her yeah i totally agree as well with

[01:19:45] you around the addition of milver um really enjoyed that character in this episode yeah yeah it's

[01:19:51] what it's one of those ones where you get a little bit of her backstory from ester the leader of

[01:19:56] broklyn tribe that she has taken her in has forgiven her past sins whatever they are will probably

[01:20:02] there have been that as we go through her in season four and but you know she has got the heart of

[01:20:08] gold but she's got a really hard exterior again another general character trait for lots of characters

[01:20:13] in the in the wich are yeah absolutely good stuff thanks very much coffee and vodka yeah thanks

[01:20:18] coffee bucket over on our facebook group pottenia locked clear says i needed more i feel like this season

[01:20:26] was dragged out and didn't give me all that i was waiting for i'm interested in seeing how serious

[01:20:31] character develops even more but i've equally enjoyed it and have been disappointed at the same time

[01:20:38] thanks pottenia yeah i mean i think that's it i really enjoyed this season um to be honest i

[01:20:44] think it's probably i don't know um i feel as though they have been more high level this season and

[01:20:50] i think that is to develop and move on the whole thing of that of what's happening on the content

[01:20:58] why i'm just trying to write the wider story exactly i mean so i i can see you know i think you

[01:21:05] episode seven there on on series character i thought it was really good in the end around

[01:21:11] it developing as well as seeing her trying to develop her magic with the nf so on and but i think

[01:21:18] i just wonder whether they pulled out a bit to just look at that wider story yeah and maybe

[01:21:25] you know that affected things yeah yeah potentially it certainly didn't episode two i think that's

[01:21:30] the one that that kind of calls out to me when they try to do everything very wide without setting it

[01:21:34] up as well as they have in these later episodes that was that's my only real down episode for the season

[01:21:40] but overall i think at home together quite well and definitely yeah but looking forward to seeing

[01:21:44] more a series now that she has kind of set her own mind as to where she wants to go while she is

[01:21:50] still and hiding um with this group of the rats i think uh having her off on her own uh is going to be

[01:21:57] it's going to be interesting to see yeah exactly thanks so much pathenia yep thanks pathenia

[01:22:03] also on facebook dr boff Phillips says the finale did an excellent job of setting up the new fronts in

[01:22:08] the war across the continent the sisterhood is now a handful of cold vengeance radania has a new king

[01:22:16] at the moment but the power hasn't changed after all prince rassi had all but declared undying love

[01:22:22] for barbie boy emperor herad i mean amir is dead by his own people the elves

[01:22:30] garrote all the rest of the continent sister siri will need to realize the slaying of monsters

[01:22:36] sometimes means the steel sword is necessary as the silver and there's a new tremendous

[01:22:42] chair set on saving the world an extra note the white her and crush the patriarchy from within

[01:22:50] were not things i expected from to say her but a beautiful bow on her life which tied together

[01:22:56] her complexity extra extra note are we going to find that counterfeit potion like counterfeit

[01:23:04] medicines can have unexpected side effects like developing a whole new body well that's what we're

[01:23:11] postulating at the moment is that maybe the uh counterfeit elixir will sort of somehow morph

[01:23:20] garrote's face into a younger Australian brother of uh thought the avenger yes yes maybe next time

[01:23:28] he takes it suddenly his face will start to melt into a different look completely yes i do like

[01:23:34] we have a sisterhood of cold vengeance and as you say and yeah can interesting take there around

[01:23:42] emperor amir as well you know that he is in effect you know he's poison the whole continent

[01:23:50] whether it's with from Francesca and fringilla but also um garrote and siri certainly have no time

[01:23:59] for him the the mages and sorcerers don't have any time for him uh hey don't can't take a hear

[01:24:07] last time we saw cahier he was gonna protect siri's him yeah and cahier as well so yeah who knows

[01:24:14] definitely some interesting stuff to build on for next season yeah yeah definitely great stuff

[01:24:19] thanks dr. bub yeah thanks dr. bob and thank you fellow witches as well for joining us on our

[01:24:25] coverage of the witcher season three it has been great getting everyone's thoughts through over

[01:24:33] on our feedback but also it's been great chatting about this with our fellow witches absolutely

[01:24:40] yeah been really good fun talking about this season really enjoyed it there's only one thing i

[01:24:44] haven't mentioned i know i know a way beyond notes and way beyond discussing the episode one thing i

[01:24:48] haven't mentioned is we saw dara in this episode yes um talking about his relationship with siri

[01:24:54] talking about the fact that he always felt safe with her and what i really liked was he says he wants to

[01:25:01] forgive siri and says to apologize to her for what he did to her as well so i just thought i

[01:25:09] should mention it because dara has been one of those characters that's been arranged the whole time

[01:25:13] and it feels like he's a character than the books is really important so they need to reference

[01:25:18] that he's arranged and that he's involved and that he's he's in the back again like we'll have

[01:25:24] some of the season yeah absolutely but i just wanted to mention it i don't want to go past our final

[01:25:29] episode and not mention that dara was there and had that moment because i feel like there is going

[01:25:34] to come a point in the future where potentially he and siri are sitting on the thrones and we haven't

[01:25:39] mentioned him for a whole season you know so i didn't want to mention that before we closed out our

[01:25:44] episode but thanks so much once again for joining us for our discussion for the witcher we hope you

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