Star Trek Picard Finale 310 "The Last Generation" review

[00:00:00] This is the Picard podcast on TV podcast industries we are talking about the finale of Star Trek Picard. Season 3 episode 10, The Last Generation.

[00:00:30] Please, everyone just trust me.

[00:00:39] Alright.

[00:00:41] We go with Data's death.

[00:00:47] There goes nothing.

[00:00:48] Wait what do you mean nothing?

[00:00:50] Hey, no!

[00:01:31] Welcome back fellow Trekkies and Trekkers. This is TV Podcast Industries. We are back talking about the final ever episode of Star Trek Picard Season 3 episode 10, The Last Generation.

[00:01:40] I'm one of your hosts Derek.

[00:01:42] Hello there fellow Trekkies and Trekkers. I am one of you out of the house John.

[00:01:47] This isn't as futile because I am Chris.

[00:01:50] Well done Chris. Well done.

[00:01:52] This is the final time we're talking about Picard. How weird is that?

[00:01:55] I know but good job is I am convinced now that we will definitely be guessing another show with the new crew aboard the Enterprise.

[00:02:10] Big spoilers. Yes, we are talking full spoilers for this episode. Hope you've watched it.

[00:02:14] And credits sequence as well.

[00:02:17] Well, another piece of good news. We are currently away on holidays at the moment.

[00:02:23] We have left Ireland. We are away on our big holidays until May and with huge thank you to Paramet Plus we were able to get the episode a bit early.

[00:02:32] So we're recording our episode couple of days before the rest of the world gets to see it thankfully.

[00:02:36] And that allows us to put it out on time for the episodes release but it does mean we have no feedback in here which is okay.

[00:02:42] It's okay this time.

[00:02:44] Do you know why it's okay as well? Because we've got all round up episodes.

[00:02:48] Exactly. So we can cover the episode 10 feedback in that.

[00:02:51] Yeah and the other thing that we'll cover in there of course is our final Picard's 10 Forward Pub Quiz.

[00:02:57] We will of course give out our 10th question of the Pub Quiz later on in the episode.

[00:03:01] And if you've been gathering together all the questions and answers for this season you'll be in with a chance of getting your hands on some start check Picard goodies.

[00:03:08] We'll be answering that in our wrap up session which will happen after we get back from our holidays in the middle of May.

[00:03:14] That's our eyes isn't it? Yeah absolutely.

[00:03:16] That's nothing so.

[00:03:17] Excellent well let's get into our discussion about the finale of Star Trek Picards.

[00:03:21] Derek what are some of the episode details? Fire number one.

[00:03:25] For the final time this show was created by Ekeva Goldsmith, Michael Sheabone, Christian Bayer and Alex Kirtzman.

[00:03:32] And this episode was written and directed by showrunner for this season Terry Metallis.

[00:03:37] I'm right sir and director credit for this one. Excellent stuff.

[00:03:40] Yes. Good huh? Very good. Good to see it again further sports our theory.

[00:03:48] Yes of the showrunner writing or maybe directing or doing both for the maybe the start and the end of the season.

[00:03:57] Yeah absolutely he's definitely the guiding hand on this show whether he's got the major writing credit or not.

[00:04:02] This is his vision push on to screen so so great to see that for the final episode definitely.

[00:04:08] You can see his hand is through this and kind of you can see the things that were started at the simple lines in the beginning

[00:04:16] were pulled back in the end exactly exactly.

[00:04:20] So John do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for the final episode of Star Trek Picards?

[00:04:25] The last generation sure without a real record back in charge of the Enterprise D.

[00:04:30] He and his crew search for the source of the book signal that has taken control of Starfleet.

[00:04:36] They identify a board cube hidden in the gases of Jupiter and track Jack Krusha at the centre of it all.

[00:04:44] As the away team boards the cube to stop the signal and save the galaxy they separate with Riker and Wolf navigating

[00:04:51] the vessel to deactivate the broadcast beacon while John Luke follows Beverly Krusha's guidance to find their son.

[00:04:58] Meanwhile seven Raffi and some of the crew retake the Titan from the board controls younger crew trapping them in the transporter room.

[00:05:06] When they learn the Enterprise D is battling the board the Titan takes on the fleet to fight for what it has taken from them.

[00:05:13] A board to the cube they discover the board drones are dead.

[00:05:17] The only life sign is Jack who is under the control of the twisted board queen.

[00:05:22] Unable to extract him from the coercive control Picard plugs back into the collective and convinces Jack to leave.

[00:05:30] As Riker and Wolf locate the beacon data stays the Enterprise through the interior of the cube and destroys it along with the queen,

[00:05:38] ending the signal to the young members of Starfleet and the attack on Earth.

[00:05:43] Picard, Riker and Wolf are beamed off the board cube just in time.

[00:05:49] With the attack on Earth averted now Admiral Krusha uses her experience through all traces of the organic board technology from all of Starfleet and also uncover any hidden change links.

[00:06:02] Seven meets with Admiral Tuvark who reveals that her former captain Shaw had recommended her for captain on her last evaluation and she's given command of the Titan.

[00:06:13] A year later Jack Krusha takes his place aboard captain Seven's ship.

[00:06:17] In honor of Picard and his crew it has been renamed the Enterprise 1701G and as they exit space stock the crew are ready to begin their own legacy.

[00:06:29] While Picard, Riker, LeForge, Beverly, Troy, Data and Wolf play a long delayed game of poker in 10 forward.

[00:06:37] Jack Krusha gets a visit from the omnipotent Q. He tells him Picard's trials are over but his have only just begun.

[00:06:46] I think we got everything that we could've possibly wanted in this last episode.

[00:06:50] And the kitchen sink!

[00:06:54] John did describe us as a little bit a little return of the king from Lord of the Rings with many endings to tie up everything to do with the series.

[00:07:03] Yeah absolutely but I have to say I absolutely loved the ride. Don't care about so many endings it was good to see where they all are.

[00:07:13] Like I love them playing the game of poker in 10 forward and just it really hanging on it as well which I really liked.

[00:07:22] And you know with the credits and so on I thought it was really good.

[00:07:26] Although I was wondering whether they were actually having a game of poker or whether they were just shuffling a little bit and chucking a few chips down every now and then.

[00:07:34] I think it was more the latter.

[00:07:36] I think about a bit.

[00:07:37] But that's what you have to do.

[00:07:39] But it's fat, they're really good and all fans of the last generation always used to love those moments when you got the crew on a bit of downtime chat and do each other over a game of poker.

[00:07:47] So and it used to be the bridge crew with a precarious eventually joined in with the team.

[00:07:52] So so I'll lovely to kind of end on that note with group. Yeah.

[00:07:56] I very much felt like Captain America Steve Rogers going, I understood that reference.

[00:08:00] There you go.

[00:08:01] Excellent.

[00:08:02] Like I got that one.

[00:08:04] I got that one.

[00:08:05] There's another one.

[00:08:06] Oh yeah.

[00:08:07] It was it was what we it was the nostalgic fun service as a way to close.

[00:08:14] It's not even very much as you said John, it's returned to the king.

[00:08:17] It's not nostalgia and fun service for just cheap sakes.

[00:08:21] It was targeted and written in a way as a thank you to the fans for the years.

[00:08:26] And again, if you're not if you haven't followed the next generation for 20 odd years,

[00:08:32] you're okay because it's still good, just narrative kind of good written scenes.

[00:08:38] Exactly. And all episodes available now on Paramount Plus.

[00:08:41] They didn't pay me to say that at promos.

[00:08:43] Absolutely.

[00:08:44] But yes, you can go back and watch everything.

[00:08:46] I'm there.

[00:08:47] But I really do like the little eye and the nod forward with potentially a seven of nine series.

[00:08:55] Well, with special advisor Jack Krusher as well as Rafi.

[00:09:02] Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:03] I'm sure we'll talk about that as we get into our points.

[00:09:05] We always start off with our small point, our small moment from the episode.

[00:09:09] Like a son of one.

[00:09:11] And usually a quote from the episode that we like to talk about who wants to start off with their quote from the episode that they enjoy John.

[00:09:17] Yeah, I'll kick off.

[00:09:19] I just the quote I've got is Jody's quote where he says, we're out of time.

[00:09:26] Let's hope they have a little left.

[00:09:29] I just really, really enjoyed this just given what they realize about the beacon that they have to destroy with it being,

[00:09:37] so death star like right in the heart of the cube.

[00:09:42] I thought it was a really nice line to live by Jody in that moment as the captain, you know, with the pain of not only himself and data

[00:09:55] with the loss of friends and former comrades and colleagues, but you have Beverly with the loss of a former lover John Luke and her son hasn't deanna Troy with her husband will.

[00:10:12] So I just really liked it.

[00:10:14] I thought it was really poignant for some reason.

[00:10:16] It could have almost been delivered off hand, you know.

[00:10:20] But I like that it just where out of time we have to take that tough decision.

[00:10:27] But as always with Star Trek, let's hope they have a little left is that little bit of hope which you know we we have to hang our hopes on ourselves.

[00:10:40] Exactly.

[00:10:41] And so yeah, I really enjoyed that.

[00:10:43] It does make it great though, doesn't it because we've came into this season going.

[00:10:47] And this is the final season of Picard.

[00:10:49] It's probably going to happen that we're going to lose some major characters here in the final episode and it was that moment when you go there's a sacrifice here, maybe this time that one minute will be enough to get them off the board.

[00:11:01] Exactly.

[00:11:02] Real dread the and yeah, I mean, I thought it was going to be TNG G standing for the next genocide.

[00:11:11] I thought like literally half of them were going to get wiped out.

[00:11:15] Yeah.

[00:11:16] And so I really liked that.

[00:11:18] And I think just one other point which kind of just comes after that is I just loved seeing Jordy in the captain's chair and I loved it after the events around the board cube.

[00:11:31] I guess as they're going back to earth were its data Jordy and Warth in those three command seats.

[00:11:38] And that was really good and to top it all off with Warth having a little sleep having dozed off because of all the the effort that had been put into his away mission.

[00:11:51] Yeah, yeah, I'll talk about it after a hard day's fight.

[00:11:55] I recognize that.

[00:11:57] I was going to say if any of our listeners want to know what it's like every day out again when the three of us get together late into the night, it is essentially John is war for sleep in the corner.

[00:12:09] Derek is essentially Dana sitting there gone.

[00:12:12] I've just steered the ship for the day.

[00:12:13] I'm taking with the time and be just giggly.

[00:12:16] So they're here.

[00:12:17] I am Jordy.

[00:12:18] Exactly.

[00:12:19] I'm usually blind as well.

[00:12:21] Blind drunk or like.

[00:12:25] There you go.

[00:12:27] Chris, I have a you what's your what's your moment of the episode?

[00:12:31] I'm going to take another Warth and Riker related it is the you've had a phaser in there the whole time.

[00:12:38] I was like that is just peak cling on peak war and peak Riker just like berating him going what the

[00:12:49] thing is.

[00:12:50] Yeah, because it's just fun.

[00:12:51] It's like they've battled they've been fighting and I'm not going to take the easy way.

[00:12:55] It's too enjoyable to come.

[00:12:57] Yeah, exactly.

[00:12:58] So it's a fun yes.

[00:12:59] Yeah, I was like it's a fun way.

[00:13:02] The only additional bit which I'm really interested was like he lifted the weight of the sword and it was like dragging down like,

[00:13:12] yeah, like you forget like the bad left that they used to fight with was also super heavy.

[00:13:18] And it was just like oh yeah, it's not just a sort like it's cling on are super strong.

[00:13:22] It's a person to humans.

[00:13:24] So you just again a really small nod that I went.

[00:13:29] I get that reference and also just a nice comedic.

[00:13:34] Absolutely.

[00:13:35] Line just a kind of soften what's going into a very narrative heavy kind of emotional beginning and kind of middle of the episode.

[00:13:45] So yeah, just a really nice quick line.

[00:13:47] Yeah, excellent, excellent.

[00:13:48] They were grace comic relief throughout this episode that was also my line coming from the interaction between Riker and Wurf.

[00:13:56] First when we see on screen where we're precards saying, right, I'm going down to the ship now and Riker is going you're not going alone

[00:14:03] and Wurf's response with I'll make it a three some.

[00:14:07] I'm just instantly going do you even hear yourself speak sometimes great moments to read the episode is some great banter between the two of them.

[00:14:15] They work really well together as you know, the number one usually captain in charge of everything going on and the slightly overly aggressive.

[00:14:26] We say pacifist aggressive with that that the way you call call Wurf and how he handles situations but the two of them together working really well here.

[00:14:35] So yeah, they've loved it that moment.

[00:14:37] So I will make it a three some.

[00:14:39] Yeah, it's really interesting.

[00:14:42] I thought that line was great.

[00:14:44] And I thought actually thought Riker had some a whole rake of lines to this.

[00:14:51] So he just thought a really poignant like a bit like with Jordy's I really liked it were you know him and Wurf go to save.

[00:15:00] Picard to spite the chain reaction that's about to happen sort of effectively taking themselves out of transport range event prize.

[00:15:08] And I like where he just says, you know, I owe him a lifetime.

[00:15:12] The least I can do is spur a minute.

[00:15:16] So yeah, so you know, you had some really good stuff the mixed in.

[00:15:21] So I really enjoyed Riker's lines here in this episode.

[00:15:26] I'll let go of that.

[00:15:28] So the one that got me choked was and we'll talk more about the actual business later in our next few points but the line he says to Diana where he's kind of just saying goodbye to himself.

[00:15:41] Yeah, yeah to her and she just picks it up to but when he says we'll see you when he talks about his dad's on and him will see you in later.

[00:15:51] Yeah, and he was like, oh god damn right.

[00:15:55] And they use that as a narrative like the worst part is like they used that so well because they use it as a connection and like to move the plot even.

[00:16:05] And connect I was just like that's just a goodbye line.

[00:16:09] Yeah, yeah, that should be just a thank you so much so long and thanks for all the fish.

[00:16:15] And they use it as a way to actually move the story and I was oh wow and the lines delivered amazing.

[00:16:22] Absolutely.

[00:16:23] And it also connects to the last time we saw Riker almost losing a lot his life unable to make a communication and unable to record anything to.

[00:16:31] And Zadi to Diana to say his final goodbye here he has the words he's reconnected with her he has the ability to say something to her that beautiful.

[00:16:40] Yeah, I think as well I'm sure this is my working theory anyway is just simply the fact that the this group of people actors and spent so much time together.

[00:16:55] Similarly all have a really healthy relationships with one another and even though they may not see them so much it just echoes through these episodes.

[00:17:05] Yeah, you know, all that sentiment and it's almost something that the byproduct of that means that this has happened all the way through the three seasons those moments where they meet with people from the next generation.

[00:17:22] I felt really, really just genuine as well and you really got that sense between Picard and Riker you know using through from Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes so it was really good like even just at the end where they just have you know it's a bit of a hug a tap on the shoulder and it feels proper properly emotional yeah.

[00:17:48] Yeah, which has been the big benefit all season this season hasn't yeah yeah some great lines and great moments those are our top lines from the episode let's go on to our medium moments.

[00:17:58] The influence the Omega director immediately so yes are medium moments for the episode John do want to kick off with your media moment you have mega director it's Deanna Troyes handbrake turn in the enterprise D.

[00:18:12] Oh, I love it. I loved it. I loved the joy riding sort of just giving that sort of wiggle of the enterprise D's tail pipes and as she she comes to the rescue and to save her man will Riker.

[00:18:31] I just really liked it. I was not expecting it and actually I mean it's completely outrageous but it's just a great moment to me as they look up because the the ceiling of whatever floor they're on with in the book queens anti chamber is kind of ripping off because this chain reaction after destroying the beacon and you just see the enterprise D do a great big handbrake turn.

[00:18:59] You know come screech into a halt as they they pull them out with the transporter to save will warf.

[00:19:09] Picard and Jack so I really really like that a lot I just like the fact that you know we hear data you know the shock wave is kind of interfering with the sensors can't lock it on to the life signs down there and again it's that moment as

[00:19:28] you were just mentioning where wheel is effectively just projecting that I'll be there with my son waiting for you you know we'll see you soon and that is sense through the emotional waves that a beta's always can can pick up and I love that it was Diana here and she just races over to the other

[00:19:56] and Helms console and takes the enterprise D for a spin I mean because as well it was just I guess just the focus because it's been set up that you know data is taking it through because the computer can't really find away and he's like I can do this it's in my got.

[00:20:17] And then Diana taking over in this moment is pure got an emotion and yeah that image will forever stay with me of the enterprise D being ridden like a rude boy by Diana so good you can see her pimping it out so pimping

[00:20:38] my space. But that's it I guess the enterprise D runs much more emotion than any other ship in the fleet right because it's probably been used by these by these characters so many times there's this crew so many times so it responds to them a bit more like you're right that that scene is fantastic but I do love data seem beforehand showing off his flight skill you know again it's kind of opposite to the way you would have previously had data you know everybody

[00:21:07] trust him to make the moves that only a computer could make and what he's saying here is I'm much more than that now my gosh feels I can absolutely make yeah this trip in amongst the the board ship to get to this point I thought it was fantastic there's absolutely echoes of the manion Falcon going through going through the death star to on its bummer run and return the Jedi no problems at that at all no

[00:21:30] still for the best and make it as cool as this no problems absolutely every time 100% for me this traversal through the cube which again is a cube last we weren't sure if it was a city last time yeah but yeah definitely it's just a big cube with a lot of antenna

[00:21:46] the traversal through looked fantastic yeah they spent the money here on the VFX and like even that bombing run done by Crusher oh yes

[00:21:59] like that was spectacular yeah I haven't seen something like this in a long time because they gave a majority of the each of the characters who are essentially just on the starship piloting it a civic task to get them to the next stage

[00:22:19] it's essentially like showing again how they now working as a crew running together as a crew and they fall back on that those gut feelings and beliefs on each other but Diana just as you said that like how breaks her new starship in looks really the one thing I was like I always thought to start the enterprise was bigger

[00:22:42] and it looked bigger in later bits but I think it was just that it's it's like if anyone understands father Ted references this starship is up close this starship is far away yeah yeah it just looked a bit smaller than expected and then like oh yes so the seaming is gone and now we're looking up as if this was essentially where our moon is something like that yeah something like that yeah yeah

[00:23:09] yeah it is a big ship but it is interesting I know John was matching that last week when you compare it against the other ships that are in starfleet at the moment it looks very sleek and small and comparison to the one she called swall ships

[00:23:22] swall chunky chips sounds favorite you were this year yes I just I always thought it was like in this scene it looked like a defined look like the science eyes in comparison to say avoidger

[00:23:37] to be a runner base yeah but overall look this was an amazing scene and I'm glad they they the way they did this especially with it cost theming to a degree from riker and his connection and again that Derek you call it out it was the the connection scene to it again each

[00:23:59] episode actually gave us something yeah that culminated in this exactly again why I'm very happy with the narrative and how to play this with it as yeah and I will have to call

[00:24:09] a Beverly crushers excellent line after doing the the carpet bombing and phaser attack on the board cube I loved that everybody just stops and looks at her

[00:24:19] kind of going you were the doctor and she got it guys a lot has happened in the last 20 years exactly really enjoyed those really good

[00:24:26] suicidal monster she's learned some things that she's learned some tricks and I'm new skills for sure I think as well I really enjoyed seeing the the shields around the enterprise

[00:24:39] is well yeah just like on its escape from the cube as it's blowing up but also as Beverly is doing this this bombing run and firing away just

[00:24:51] the sort of that oval protective shield around the enterprise day I thought look really cool yeah I don't know for some reason whether it's because they kind of using the old way of showing

[00:25:05] the the the shields like they did back in the 90s you know in the same way that the transport of being for them it looks just the same as it did in the show yeah and I know they've

[00:25:21] changed up at least for like discovery and stuff like that in terms of how it looks so whether it's just because they're kind of keeping the I guess the brand of

[00:25:31] tng shields around the enterprise D but it just look really cool I think it just felt to me like it's something that I wouldn't have thought about unless I saw it on screen that of course

[00:25:42] the shields going to protect them from this fireball coming in after the fact that you see the barrier that's protecting them as a flying away you don't have anybody go

[00:25:50] shouting out shields to 30% or whatever they usually shout when you see this grid that's the shields on screen it's just really thoughtful everybody's on top of their game when they're doing these scenes because they know how important they are and they know how much

[00:26:03] how much fun it is for all of us fans to watch watch those moments so great stuff great stuff yes down as handbrake save great first points have it yourself Chris what's your what's your medium moment from the episode I'm going to talk about some amazing

[00:26:17] scenes and kind of graphics to something not so much but I'll put a very poignant moment I'm going to talk about part plugs back in and save his son and the galaxy

[00:26:29] this emotional kind of resonance that we talked about can we have this how this was built part essentially making trying to reason with jack while he is plugged in and he is essentially full board he's and jack is not jack anymore he's not

[00:26:46] he's not he's he is box he looks like look cutus as the cutest did back in the day at least the government to keep his hair yes exactly they could have shaved enough we do it more fun bald cap but we do like so we see that's not working we see the usual kind of like oh wait we need

[00:27:07] to push it through and then you see something which I wasn't expecting which was records making that self sacrifice again should have

[00:27:16] yeah should have seen this yeah but he's like I have a son to save yeah and plugs back into the collective yeah and basically

[00:27:26] assimilate himself using the kind of the connection the wire back and you see the black lines for the same way we did back in the day

[00:27:36] and I was like so interested to see that as a trick because he's holding his he never wanted to be touching the board again so he's making the sacrifice

[00:27:46] and then we got some cheese okay yeah in this moment between him and jack which I'm fine with that it's like some cheesy dialogue when you're trying to convey

[00:28:01] emotion between a newly found father and son I'm always going to be here with you blah blah blah blah blah I get it it just got ham-fisted because I did the

[00:28:15] cock I try to do the calculations but cars known about jack crusher for the guts of like four days bet that yeah bet that now yeah since he's like oh that you're

[00:28:29] a jack he's introduced to jack oh everything's going to hell oh you're my son oh well I just rush so you're like he's come to all this

[00:28:39] realization like I will do anything but I'm like okay what if like again what if your son was like a complete a whole like you jack's not luckily jack's up but you're not

[00:28:51] going to have that huge so some of the emotional I pouring from Picard's dialogue was very ham-fisted cheesy but I get why they did like their

[00:29:04] shake spirit level kind of dialogue from these two actors who overall it portrays well when they are performing this yeah like you feel this

[00:29:18] connection between the this father and son yeah it was just quite I liked it but again it was but it also it was very

[00:29:28] matrix I the green war ex-papmosphere behind them and it's like you could like put them in 10 forward back into the pub where they were

[00:29:40] hmm when they had on the holiday you could have done something more like that versus fully green screen I like this I'll tell you why in a second but none of us

[00:29:49] are parents here I want to stress that I have heard from parents it takes about 30 seconds of looking at your

[00:29:54] child for the first time and then you know how much you love them so three or four days take quite a long time so maybe when one of us becomes

[00:30:00] a parent we can come back and and confirm whether that's true or not I bet that's but I know it you're being gris there is there is some

[00:30:08] some really interesting dialogue that some good moments in here what I did love is how it connects back to what we'd seen

[00:30:15] throughout the season remember there's a great moment early around the season when jack is remembering the time that Picard pushed him away by saying

[00:30:23] his family is Starfleet we have Picard returning to that moment saying I thought since I had this whole of my life I would fill it up with

[00:30:30] Starfleet and now I've realized the thing I was missing is having a son like you in my life you know I thought that was quite a good

[00:30:37] tie up with why he's coming to this realization now and why when jack saw him he was saying Starfleet's my family

[00:30:44] and that was quite a well well written moment yeah I mean I really quite enjoyed it like I kind of like the green because it was I guess it's just trying to visualize what the collective looks like

[00:30:56] I think but also remember its jack's dream was the was the red tentacles that were coming out representing all the connections so these green tentacles

[00:31:05] tentacles effect we like tentacles that he's seeing are similar to what he was seeing in that whole way in the vision or in the dream that he was having so it's another way that yeah I mean it's kind of more waves and I like how jack describes it you know

[00:31:18] it's the waves or of the whole and around me but he says through me and so on but and so I kind of like that and I thought like the line that kind of

[00:31:31] swung it for me was writing the end work Picard just says and I think to the point of you know 30 minutes for a newborn is that it's because you've changed me yes

[00:31:42] so even though it's four days even though it feels like potentially there's a lot of heavy lifting here it is that

[00:31:49] you know like we were saying when when Picard got angry because Jack didn't want to just kind of have that father son relationship it was almost like he was annoyed and it was like to hell with it you know so

[00:32:03] it was that felt really good in him kind of going in and hugging Jack they're ultimately then Jack remembering all those different moments that you know over that the short period of time

[00:32:20] because even though it's been four days yeah Jack almost died as well so not only did he find out that he was you know a father you almost lost and suddenly was no longer a father you know so he said kind of been through

[00:32:38] a firm out of stuff so I did kind of like this and I thought it was a good way of making that emotional connection because if it was just simply unplugging and Jack

[00:32:52] and as the ball queen says he has to choose to leave or otherwise who's going to die so that he had to go in and so the skeptic could simply you know say that Picard is also like Patrick Stewart

[00:33:07] a damn finite he's making up a making up playing yeah no look it worked in the culmination of an episode like I was happy with how they did it again it just

[00:33:22] just happy dialogue but again it's good actors like it just felt like you could put these two now and this is a compliment for me you could put them on stage in the West end

[00:33:34] just black around them and just two spotlights and you could have that exact same conversation without all the makeup and drama and it would be still

[00:33:45] we resonate yeah yeah yeah I guess just make sure the spotlights have have green lights in them in your ground yeah exactly yeah good stuff yeah so that's my moment for this one.

[00:33:57] Yeah my only question about that moment is just Picard have to wear scarves or curvettes from now on for the big hole that's left in his neck after the cable he plugged in it so I'm quite easy to plug it in and Jack was not very careful

[00:34:13] cables back I was after it's wasn't it felt as the Jack ripped that out of him so I look was struggling trying to get it back out and just got ripped back

[00:34:22] if from Jack so maybe he may be wearing curvettes from now on back on the cash up a car yeah but Derek what's your medium moments I want to kind of talk a little bit

[00:34:32] about the other side of this the board their time is over as my medium moment so yes of course Picard coming in and

[00:34:39] saving Jack is is the big moment here but I like the board and I wanted to I wanted to have a quick quick comment on what's

[00:34:46] happening with the boring themselves so this is the board queen that we saw back in first contact the movie this is that

[00:34:53] board queen voiced again by Ellis Creek as we mentioned yeah last week and but a very different looking board queen that

[00:34:59] we've got here yeah I'm one of the bigger elements which is called a very early on as they go through the ship is how few

[00:35:05] board drones there are aboard the ship and right you're saying you know a ship of this size should be thousands of

[00:35:11] drones walking around or at least at least charging up or in the in in stasis in their in their pods and what we

[00:35:21] what we realize or what they realize quite quickly is that the board queen has been feeding off the board drones that are

[00:35:28] there keeping herself alive which is why she has become twisted into this into this being that looks so different to the queen

[00:35:36] that we've seen in the past so and that I thought was quite it made her seem even more brutal what she's willing to do here for

[00:35:42] yeah I'm very guy get us because well yeah much more so I mean there's always been an element of that like with alien

[00:35:50] and I sure could you know each other guy is sort of design of the aliens just with the you know it being so dark you know lots of tubes

[00:36:04] and piping and so on but certainly with it going across her face yeah but I thought it was really really effective

[00:36:11] and I like the idea that you know as she says you center's poisoned to the edge of space and where we withered and began to

[00:36:22] starve in the prize of my children began to fade loved when she says but then the voice of Jack Crusher exactly amplifies and you know this this plan

[00:36:36] she certainly no fan anymore of the Qs either you know so I really like this warping of effectively this banishment that's happened

[00:36:47] you know and I kind of I like the fact that in a sense you know you can see why there is that a alliance between

[00:36:59] the ball and the changelings here why they would work together because of just that business to an entire

[00:37:11] organization in the Federation and I think more specifically for the ball queen because of the Qs yeah absolutely

[00:37:18] and I suppose that's always been her mission was to guess the Qs back into the board and now I love her line about it's not it's no longer about

[00:37:26] assimilation it's about evolution that idea that she's now moving on with Jack because he gives different abilities now to the board then the Qs

[00:37:36] would have done and they can come back they can rise again after they destroy anybody that doesn't conform to this new this new version of the

[00:37:45] board this organic version of the board I thought that was really interesting but yeah they do discuss what happened with the changelings

[00:37:52] and what happened with them so it was a deal that was struck between them no threshold I think one of our and one of our listeners was asking about

[00:37:57] what the threat was for the changelings to join join them there's no threats that the two of them are on the same wavelength what's happened to them because of

[00:38:06] Starfleet they've lost they've lost an entire generation I think she says to to Starfleet so that means their goals are aligned and they work together to fulfill this plan effectively so yeah I thought

[00:38:18] that was so interesting and again I'd say brutal and very threatening once again when the board are on form they are the most threatening beings and all of Starfleet

[00:38:26] so love them really really good for me I agree completely like I'm okay with how this ends the board yes like

[00:38:36] this is a fitting end for the queen we've seen in what multiple episodes a film yeah the different variations of the

[00:38:45] board and the board queen for this for these for record absolutely and also for

[00:38:52] a Voyager very big villain in Voyager as well so the character has been around a very long time

[00:38:59] and sometimes with those kind of characters inside by particularly when they come back often I will give the example of

[00:39:05] Alex and Dr who when they come back offered it's very difficult to make them threatening so

[00:39:10] so that's why I think this works so well she's effectively finally abandoned an old plan and gone I've got a new plan here

[00:39:17] out of them much more devastating plan than you think it is the plan is we take everybody out of 25 or whatever

[00:39:23] the equivalent is in the alien species and everybody else is father and meat and dead that's it yeah I thought it was

[00:39:30] really really good but to have that moment with Jack when he finally extricates himself from the collective as

[00:39:37] the ship is blowing and going that's it your time the borax time is over I thought was a great final

[00:39:42] moment there is it though so this is a quite I have to ask the question do you think that's it no we know

[00:39:49] about the board on the wall the the the watchers on the wall and for Gatti find that that's a set there

[00:39:55] separate collective they're putting them out this board which seemingly is the same board from the

[00:40:02] Delta quadrant from this quadrant the one who have been the thorn in Picard side and the thorn like

[00:40:11] is this the end I just I because the only thing I didn't see was I was expecting like a twitchy

[00:40:18] hand in a kind of a in a post credit or something to kind of give to leave it open because

[00:40:27] pretty much that everything got destroyed yes this seemingly is the last cube that came through

[00:40:36] Transorghart corridor um into Jupiter into Jupiter yeah so like point of space so last week we'd

[00:40:45] mention that that it looks like it was an ebula that the board cube was in but I mentioned there was

[00:40:49] some comment from materiometer miles on Twitter that's not an ebula and it is you'll find it next week

[00:40:55] so this week we find out it is the gases of Jupiter that they're in yes and do I believe it's the

[00:41:00] end for the board I believe it's written that way absolutely this is the end of the board from

[00:41:04] the next generation do I believe there's not a writer air that's writing star Trek that will bring

[00:41:09] the board back in the future absolutely not they will be brought back at some points whether it's

[00:41:13] in a book a comic um or in a future television series um but I believe the arc that's been created here

[00:41:20] of the board being the biggest um villains of star Trek the next generation and ending them here

[00:41:29] at the end of Picard is a great arc to close out that big storyline and those great villains

[00:41:36] in the show so if somebody brings them back I'm certain they'll do a great job writing

[00:41:40] how you would bring the board collective back into it whether you look at their origins or whether

[00:41:45] you look at something completely different um I'm sure there's a writer at there that can do it so

[00:41:50] I'm saying yes to the show ending them here bush there of course is possibly welcome back at sci-fi

[00:41:55] after we said the exact same thing about another character who died last season yes we did

[00:42:02] well he were like oh yeah yeah no it was fitting and it was great yeah probably come back

[00:42:07] I was like yep there you go did come back all the time I mean even like true the team

[00:42:14] yeah over the other uh the other galaxy yes galaxy um yeah cool good stuff good stuff yeah my

[00:42:22] point of the board time is over for now and let's go on to our final moment our big moment from

[00:42:28] the episode we must face the ramifications of the prime directive all right so we've talked about

[00:42:34] mostly the big battle over at the board uh over the board cube uh where's our big moments going

[00:42:40] John what's your big moment from the episode well I'm taking us to another place in the soul system

[00:42:46] uh with the the battle over earth I really enjoyed this was really pleased that seven of nine and

[00:42:54] raffi who were back on and remain back on the the Titan um got their moment um I think uh I kind

[00:43:04] of really just loved seven of nine's rallying cry as effectively the ship's cook is being put uh in

[00:43:13] the helmsman's uh chair that we know we are all that's left of uh starfleet and that cook also

[00:43:22] is a pretty good helmsman because when it pan back not only does he make a fine lasagna or does he

[00:43:31] just maintain the replicators um he is also a pretty damn fine you know I could imagine him sort of

[00:43:39] sprinkling some seasoning as he went past all the other ships um and uh but I loved this I loved

[00:43:46] how they came up with you know the the cloaking device to break that line of sight propagation

[00:43:51] in order to sort of break the the formation technology and the synchronicity now I love to have them

[00:43:58] coming in and out and then just all the laser spread fire going off from around the disc of

[00:44:07] of the Titan faces everywhere and a few torpedoes uh because I mean it was that that rallying cry

[00:44:14] of seven of nine you know we need to to buy Picard and everyone else time then effectively they are

[00:44:23] setting themselves against the rest of starfleet and I was like what um and I thought it was

[00:44:31] really really cool I mean completely over the top I mean that moment where you see the the space

[00:44:38] station above earth there's the space dock which provides that planetary shield and the number of

[00:44:44] phaser fire being directed at it yeah and seeing the torpedoes being fired from all those ships

[00:44:52] I was like that space station has got some pretty tough shields I mean I guess it has to because

[00:44:59] it is a single point of defense yes and provide the whole planetary shield yes I was just like

[00:45:06] oh my goodness um I loved all the way through this as well um where it comes back to the board

[00:45:13] cube and you see Jack just relaying the orders to some really yeah like he he talks to like I think

[00:45:21] at one moment I think when the cloak is taken down I mean this is how I interpreted it as the cloak

[00:45:28] is taken down by the ball crew aboard the Titan and effectively seven of nine is saying you know

[00:45:37] we're effectively dead in the water and you see you see all you know a number of starfleet ships

[00:45:46] starting to surround the Titan and it cuts back to Jack and it felt as though you know he was

[00:45:52] directing the ships as it cuts back to him around the Titan you know you just hear him saying

[00:45:59] fire fire fire and then of course with the space dock exploding and you hear him just say target

[00:46:07] lock for all these different cities yeah and on didn't hear Dublin in there I think they're

[00:46:12] grandlamps you know and so well exactly it's every other capital city I could think of in the world

[00:46:18] but not double we're fine we're we're we're at that time in the future we are no longer around

[00:46:24] we are in Ireland under the water oh yeah it's like a class of empty approach yeah so I'm

[00:46:31] really enjoyed that target lock London target lock Berlin don't target Dublin uh target locked

[00:46:36] here so I thought it was I thought it was really yeah cool all of this absolutely I even love

[00:46:43] their love their brand new invention how they get all of the all of the the new board off the

[00:46:50] off the bridge where they've invented transporter guns yeah that was cool as that I feel like I've

[00:46:58] seen that in the not not in portal but I feel like I've seen that in maybe ratchet and clank

[00:47:03] a transporter gun where you can shoot it and somebody gets transported to a different location but

[00:47:08] um well done to them and I like that since they've only just invented it they're really nervous

[00:47:12] that they may have just transported the crew off the ship uh so they have to go and check and make

[00:47:17] sure they've all been sent to the transporter room where they're supposed to go uh so

[00:47:21] uh very cool how do you think um seven copes as a captain till I cross a captain oh absolutely she

[00:47:26] can give the speech she can she has the strategy she utilizes you know good management all her crew

[00:47:35] you know she's utilizing raffee for the the intel yeah and you can you know she's utilizing the cook

[00:47:43] to fly the ship so she's making the best of what she's got so um I really really enjoyed this um

[00:47:50] you know it did feel the David and Goliath type are all of thing and yeah I kind of really enjoyed

[00:47:58] this this battle of a verse but uh yeah that and that's just the opening of all the phases attacking

[00:48:04] the space dock I was just like whoa okay um and yeah just seeing uh Jack being the the voice uh

[00:48:14] relaying all the orders as well I think the only thing was I just wondered you know probably just

[00:48:20] the editing and it's probably not in sequence but it it just felt slightly out of sequence with

[00:48:27] the explosion of the beacon on the bog ship um as well as Jack effectively ripping himself out

[00:48:36] from the system yeah um because it wasn't until you see the cube blowing off exactly then

[00:48:45] and the queen effectively dying that then the the the bog effect on these assimilated younger crew

[00:48:53] members begins to kind of peel away and I just kind of thought that would go with the destruction

[00:49:01] of the beacon because it's about transmitting it I don't think it is I think the beacon's transmitting

[00:49:06] orders to them but they're all connected to the uh board queen they've all become the new collective

[00:49:13] so it's only when the board queen goes that they're removed from the collective but they can no longer

[00:49:18] hear Jack's orders when he comes out on when the beacon that also makes sense as well in terms of

[00:49:23] the board collective yeah so I felt like there were the the message that he was effectively

[00:49:27] rolling over and over again was uh was execute anyone that isn't uh isn't Borg um so they didn't

[00:49:33] need to hear that over and over again it's not like that's what I thought anyway so uh so the beacon

[00:49:37] stopped that's fine they can no longer hear any new orders but they've got one in mind and then when

[00:49:42] the board queen dies they're severed from the collective yeah so that's what I thought that makes sense

[00:49:47] I absolutely adored the fight scenes in this show this that was in particular this episode

[00:49:54] they they just they didn't phone it in that bit and I don't mean that anyway

[00:50:01] derogatory and so any other show just like they could have just like even the angles they chose when

[00:50:06] they they animated this they could have just focused in on one so yeah like constantly we had

[00:50:13] multiple ships on screen at multiple times yep across this season in particular at this end as well

[00:50:20] so you saw uh and I've been seeing across the previous weeks and they always people are clipping out

[00:50:28] different parts of this like oh here's the uss x like can you read this detail here's this us yeah

[00:50:35] we're gonna see this across this episode oh my god did you see that they they they hit the x with

[00:50:42] this extra photon or blah blah blah again the wording is going to be the interesting part of but what

[00:50:49] people pull from these scenes absolutely but it looked beautiful the just the flybys and

[00:50:57] again we talked about the carpet bombing by crusher early that by itself is spectacular

[00:51:04] you crank it up even further today in this scene where you see like hundreds of ship firing

[00:51:13] upon the space station and then going after this one tiny ship and again the cloaking technology

[00:51:21] looked fantastic yeah but that is the end of that yes it is yeah I really enjoyed that and you

[00:51:27] can see the detail in some of the some of the ships that maybe the taking over of the ship hadn't

[00:51:33] gone so well and you see them kind of falling out of the out of the sky going towards Earth I thought

[00:51:38] that was quite interesting because it's not all as focused as it had been when they were all

[00:51:42] collectively together I thought those little touches that were there it's interesting and maybe

[00:51:46] we'll give a little call back to to a moment back in I think it was season one no season two of

[00:51:51] Picard where we had the cavalry arriving and a cavalry of a fleet of from Starfleet and every

[00:51:58] ship looked exactly the same and lots of criticism of that where a lot of a lot of fans kind of said

[00:52:04] they weren't really putting in the work that they would have expected from from Star Trek so

[00:52:09] they certainly put in the work this season where we have very distinctive looking ships here

[00:52:14] this does not look like a sea of the same ship copy and paste in multiple times which I know

[00:52:19] in fairness to the actual people that behind star Picard season two I know it's not that simple

[00:52:24] I know that it a hell of a lot of work but they got a lot of criticism from fans who were

[00:52:28] never satisfied with anything so they definitely looked at it in a different way for this scene

[00:52:34] where we have hundreds of different types of ships all standing out all different and all identifiable

[00:52:40] if you want to look close enough into them so I'd say this is going to be very interesting this

[00:52:44] is actually being shown in iMacs in the US and eight cities across the US these two episodes back

[00:52:49] to back and then before it premieres on Paramount Plus so I'd be really intrigued to see what

[00:52:56] people's reaction to this mass of scene is going to be like on the big screen yeah absolutely

[00:53:01] really excited are we getting some hoodering and honoring I'd say so yeah yeah yeah and a lot of

[00:53:07] dead in the water starships actually as the end prize d comes back and you see it joining up

[00:53:15] with the Titan yeah there is a lot of damage to Starfleet here as well absolutely so yeah I

[00:53:22] loved this battle over earth so that's my main point excellent excellent we've already talked

[00:53:28] about a little bit here but the my major point from the episode is just loved had this close at the

[00:53:34] story of seven of nine and at the end of this third season we saw a return in the first season

[00:53:40] being on the arts we saw her in the second season working with the fan risk rangers not wanting to

[00:53:44] be in Starfleet and this season we see her starting the season having rejoined Starfleet having

[00:53:49] joined Starfleet for the first time actually and now we see her finally getting the commission of

[00:53:55] captain from her former teammate to vacu we learn is is safe and send yes you know that didn't

[00:54:01] panic for me exactly as I was expecting it to but they did drop a line which said exactly what I

[00:54:09] said would happen that everybody that was replaced by a changeling would be found somewhere and

[00:54:15] Picard says everybody from the higher officers to the lowest of offers that were replaced were all

[00:54:21] found so I would have liked to see it in some way if you wanted to get in some extra cameos for

[00:54:27] the final episode you could have gone you know Janeway was replaced here she was safe and send with

[00:54:33] that with two vuck if you only had her on set for half an hour to do the quick quick cameo you could

[00:54:38] have done that way but at least we got a great moment with Tim Ross here coming back as the real

[00:54:43] two luck and able to give I guess his closest compatriots aboard aboard Voyager her captain commission

[00:54:51] and being able to deny her from leaving and giving in her resignation from starfleet so I thought that

[00:54:56] was great really really enjoyed the scene the fact that it connected back to Sean what her at his

[00:55:00] actual feelings about her where that she doesn't just go by the rule book like he does and I love

[00:55:05] that he admits it's really boring to go by the rule book the rule book is really boring in starfleet

[00:55:09] so and so nice to have someone like her that will challenge us and she will make a great leader so

[00:55:16] look there was some kindness by all of that with which I which I thought was great yeah yeah definitely

[00:55:21] I I loved this I thought it really built on just sure's actual handing over of commands exactly you know

[00:55:29] this wasn't a death throws yeah sort of not token offering but almost that because there's no alternative

[00:55:39] that you see here in this moment that he had this recommendation in his log after that her last

[00:55:46] evaluations yeah I really it's not just a four days before his death that that changed his mind

[00:55:51] of error he knew that she was he knew that she was worthy of the job and we do get this all playing

[00:55:57] out as a as the show ends we guess captain seven taking her cease aboard her new ship and it has

[00:56:06] been renamed we have a new enterprises in ten since we just lost the enterprise F which we

[00:56:11] saw for about three and a half seconds last episode and we have the enterprise 1701 G looking very

[00:56:18] cool all retooled from the Titan and with all of its crew a board which is all of our cast from

[00:56:25] from the season that we've watched so far so everybody that's left of course yeah and Rafi in the

[00:56:31] number one chair yeah and interesting not expecting yeah an interesting relationship there between

[00:56:37] them captain and first officer which will hopefully be explored in a future a future series and you

[00:56:43] can imagine it only around but yeah Jack on board as special cancel on board I guess the 20 years

[00:56:50] that he's no he's only 20 himself I guess the ten years or so he spent running around the galaxy with

[00:56:55] Beverly Crossher gives them some some special cancel yeah and I guess he's being fast tracked we hear

[00:57:02] this being fast tracked through the program yeah it's his first commission eventively not an answer

[00:57:10] but not an answer yeah yeah I do like gets in the forge already having a bit of banter with Jack

[00:57:16] saying that she doesn't really believe anything he says normally so it doesn't follow what he says

[00:57:21] so yeah look this is a good crew I really enjoyed seeing them I know they've been smaller characters

[00:57:26] in a show much more focused on the next generation cast of course but I think we have

[00:57:31] a good lineup of people here that will make a very interesting show if we do get a spin-off of

[00:57:36] Star Trek Legacy in the future. God yes absolutely I will watch this from day one. Yeah me too yeah

[00:57:45] yeah like this this is the perfect level you you've got all you got some kind of you got some

[00:57:51] already relationship stuff going on with Rafi and Sevin you've got Borg with Sevin and the kind

[00:57:59] of xenophobia that we've already like they introduce just enough of everything that you would want

[00:58:05] you've got the hint of some of these characters and what the capable of and who they are

[00:58:10] and you've set it up that they are now we joked about the legacy they are the legacy literally

[00:58:19] of the Enterprise they are taking that and as Jack says sometimes names me the hell of a lot yeah

[00:58:26] and you've potentially got the the skills of Jack you know is he still able to do the red eye thing

[00:58:34] no so they call this a very quickly which is Crusher essentially is able to or Admiral Crusher

[00:58:43] yeah is able to remove the receiving Borg DNA and all the people who took the so basically the

[00:58:49] receiving DNA people in the transporters but that again is a split so technically if some

[00:58:58] people haven't taken a transporter since the to get pulled out that DNA pulled out of them he

[00:59:04] could probably maybe somewhat I was just wondering whether it was recently sort of residing the

[00:59:11] you know maybe Beverly decided not to put him through that or whatever I who knows it's more about

[00:59:16] the receivers yeah it's more about the about the other people that don't have a but yes they

[00:59:20] could they could absolutely use that if they have a 26 episode season for the first season

[00:59:24] there's a way of turning him bad again but there's already you know there is a question mark

[00:59:28] all there is some future event that could lead to that you know so it you can just kind of yeah

[00:59:34] taste how it's going to be exciting you know you've got the the whole um Intel officer side of

[00:59:44] Raffi as well there's the potential relationship with Sydney LeForge and Jack yeah and just getting

[00:59:52] to know like you know Ensen Nure and just more about the crew of the new us enterprise absolutely

[01:00:02] absolutely Raffi even calls it eight doesn't she that's that Starfleet have effectively given

[01:00:07] their brand new enterprise to a thief a criminal and and the fugitive on board and that's the

[01:00:14] senior command crew of this of this ship love that thought that was thought that was really good so

[01:00:19] that again if that's your tagline for for enterprise GE coming coming next fall to a to paramet

[01:00:25] plus hey it might work for me absolutely yeah and of course her engaged line whatever that is

[01:00:33] will be revealed so you know a nice little moment there yeah that's clever that is a very

[01:00:39] clever move yeah because again they would have been there's going to be forum posts and literally

[01:00:46] discussions on social web for months about why she could say and why she will say yes they

[01:00:51] decide definitely definitely I feel like that's something that they did in discovery with uh

[01:00:55] when Michael Burnham when she finally became captain um that they made a really big deal about what

[01:00:59] it is she was going to say as her first command word um I feel like they've done it on one of the

[01:01:05] other Star Trek shows as well so I thought it was kind of cool to have her have that as I called at

[01:01:08] the captain America moment where he never gets to say Avengers until the final moment in the big

[01:01:12] battle in Avengers endgame that's the first time he says Avengers assemble so it's kind of that

[01:01:17] moment where you're pulling the audience away from yeah from almost her having her commit to her

[01:01:23] big moment she knows it's important and we'll see if we see the characters back in the future

[01:01:28] in their stories so uh so yes big moments absolutely loved just what a great arc sevens had

[01:01:33] and this series has been a really interesting character to bring on board um from episode one

[01:01:39] of Picard uh season one um I think the story has really felt like a Picard story and a seven

[01:01:46] story her getting as much time uh through right the series I thought was great so yeah excellent

[01:01:51] what a caper oh yeah no and I think we can all say that we want to see this show so hopefully when

[01:01:57] we come back for our 10 forward quiz uh wrap up we will have confirmation we may not think they'll

[01:02:05] wait that long I hope that they'll kind of give us some news a couple of days after maybe some

[01:02:10] photos potentially because if this this was done back to back with season two then it was done

[01:02:17] a while ago last year yeah yeah so I think they'll maybe hopefully have made their decisions

[01:02:22] on one of the nights um so it's really quick absolutely well since they just announced this week that

[01:02:27] we're getting a section 31 movie starring uh Michelle Yo coming uh production begins uh later this

[01:02:33] year um that's been in the uh in the fires for uh for five years now uh push but they did make

[01:02:39] the announcement uh so you never know we may have a confirmation of uh of that star check

[01:02:43] like a c-show coming pretty soon good stuff and that's my point of course how about yourself what's

[01:02:47] the uh what's your big moment from the episode your big point from the episode so I'm gonna wrap us up

[01:02:52] I'm going to kind of go everything is wrapped we get this fitting beautiful end to the next generation

[01:03:02] and we've just talked about the new beginning but we'll kind of finish that in a second but

[01:03:08] the fitting end to the next generation the the the actual casting crew they get their goodbyes

[01:03:17] and everyone got a moment yeah everyone got a perfect moment just tooled to either they're

[01:03:25] current status within but card so uh and be it through kind of

[01:03:32] Beverly kind of becoming an admiral again coming back to starfleet being the the one to bring

[01:03:39] a card and um kind of jack to the enterprise to being the one who actually then became scientific

[01:03:48] department who's the one rolling out the change to get rid of the board all of these things like

[01:03:53] worth being the one to basically fix Rafi's family problem which I never would have guessed would

[01:04:00] have been that character doing that yeah yeah it was a great moment was well yeah really really

[01:04:06] enjoyed that because remember that was um the choice that you had to make during the season was

[01:04:11] either to pursue the um conspiracy that she was investigating or to go back to her family ridiculous

[01:04:18] choice but neither proud of her and they're just gonna finally get to see your granddaughter

[01:04:22] and it was even from before so even like this cure is some of that issues up to season one where

[01:04:28] she was a drug addict and recovering and things like that cures a lot of these narrative beats

[01:04:35] that have happened so all of this plus data doing the moment getting a very data moment

[01:04:42] where he's going through counseling with Troy and talking about getting angry about a cat

[01:04:48] which is a call back to spot uh-huh like just this really great little moment you see then I love

[01:04:55] the choice I love the choice trying to book her holiday yeah exactly during this the counseling

[01:05:02] event that's uh it's the third third session is I think and uh it's gonna over an hour again

[01:05:07] and he's going to go back the next day as well maybe being human as far as as difficult as it was

[01:05:13] trying to be human yeah and when writer goes how are you i'm okay yes and you're like yes that's

[01:05:20] the ultimate Irish asher and grand it's fun grand it's yeah everyone getting these beats culminating in

[01:05:28] 10 forward then slagging Geinen and even just she wasn't there though I know that's the one line

[01:05:36] that didn't work for me because we had everybody sitting around that table going Geinen's giving us

[01:05:40] the side eye for the last half hour and you can just don't mention Geinen if you're not going to

[01:05:44] be able to show her yeah episode um yeah it's just if we heard that they would mention this maybe

[01:05:51] they were hoping that what big over could come back for five minutes to to to be on screen but they

[01:05:57] didn't or they were really digitally thorough and they forgot maybe that one again it was that

[01:06:04] was weird but then having Picard saying his closing speech which is the ultimate kind of

[01:06:13] desbian monologue speech out yeah and then they finished with poker absolutely which was just

[01:06:22] you don't even need to be being massive next generation fun to

[01:06:27] be happy with the point and see if these friends coming together sharing this final moment

[01:06:32] you see them all it looked like they were just this was probably the last day of filming

[01:06:38] like and they were just all having a laugh back after years of being together and the part

[01:06:45] and they'll back together for one final you get that sense from the wrap up overall absolutely

[01:06:53] just point of be well brought together in a fantastic end absolutely and a new beginning

[01:07:01] we talked about seven and then you get jack and cue

[01:07:06] no yeah that's a close crush yes this I was not expecting yes John Delansi back in great

[01:07:15] form here after the last season again it's cute we kind of thought there's there's a possibility even

[01:07:23] though they're saying definitively that will not happen who will not see him again I do like

[01:07:27] that instantly he's going stop thinking so limit linearly he is an omnipresent being of course

[01:07:32] so of course you can come back and find a way to come back and look I prefer it this way if

[01:07:39] you're gonna bring cue back in this way up kind of prefer that he's he's saying as he does

[01:07:46] being mischievous and saying yes Picard's trials are finished but yours have just started

[01:07:52] at the nice setup if you're going to do another season yeah I did like it even though it feels like

[01:07:57] it's kind of twisting on people that may have liked season two or where or had enjoyed cue

[01:08:04] story of feels like they're twisting it on them but I think overall season three's been more

[01:08:09] successful than people probably remember season three much more than what happened in season two

[01:08:14] right I thought this was great I don't care and you know cue was one of the really great things

[01:08:21] about season two as well and yes he's right he is by nature like Loki the mischievous god you know so

[01:08:31] him springing up and basically telling Jack stop being so sort of blinkers and well I terrorized

[01:08:41] your father I'm gonna terrorize you now I just thought was really really good yeah I thought

[01:08:48] really good and absolutely it's meant for for me that there will be a show um like that as an end

[01:08:56] credit scene effectively yeah I don't think you put that in if there's no words to go from it

[01:09:04] even if we never see cue in the new show it is just there'll be something else yeah there'll be

[01:09:11] another member of the key I think it's a good way because you can literally open with a

[01:09:19] remake version of farpoint again there first it's like you could have it there for

[01:09:26] they're knocked thousands of years because of key or light years and it's that kind of interesting

[01:09:32] yeah you have so many opportunities and it's just a good new beginning yeah with connections I think

[01:09:39] that's always the key when it comes to Star Trek which is base it in some commonality so with Voyager

[01:09:49] with Star Trek D space nine with each of the major show there is some sliver of connective tissue

[01:09:56] to Starfleet to something and yeah you've got this here being with Jack with the new crew with

[01:10:02] seven with Rafi building on and then you got do you know what we're gonna give him there a massive

[01:10:07] antagonist because you've just got rid of the board yeah yeah yeah just absolutely fantastic really good

[01:10:12] yeah really good ending guys I could probably talk about this episode for another hour both

[01:10:18] since since we're going on all of it we're gonna have to probably wrap us here at we will be back

[01:10:22] to talk about it more in a couple weeks time when we do our wrap up episode four Star Trek Picard

[01:10:27] season three and all of Star Trek Picard but I do want to make one note that I have from the

[01:10:31] episode one at least direct that's there at the beginning of the episode I know most people

[01:10:35] probably recognize what it was but I did want to call it out I thought it was a nice touch

[01:10:39] where we had President Anton check off yeah opening up the episode calling for calling for aid

[01:10:45] seems to be the son of Pavlov checkoff Pavlov checkoff being on the original

[01:10:48] um on the original Enterprise from Star Trek but the first name Anton seems to be a reference to

[01:10:54] Anton Yeltsin who played checkoff in the JJ Abrams movies and sadly passed away at very young age

[01:11:00] um so I thought the reference was really good I thought it was uh I thought it was done really well

[01:11:04] and the connection that's there like everything that's been done in the show is really well

[01:11:08] really well observed so at good Easter egg well done yes definitely 100 percent 100 percent

[01:11:14] anything else about the episode guy any other notes that you have no nothing from me

[01:11:18] nope rice well overall then what did you think of the finale of Star Trek Picard the last generation

[01:11:24] job I absolutely uh love this episode um I'd give it five oh happy days and it's with five

[01:11:33] I just absolutely loved uh the next generation crew just coming together to save save the planet

[01:11:42] uh to save the solar system uh from the bog uh it just had real meaning um you know in a sense

[01:11:51] actually I'm not even you know that last week I was wondering oh will they bring the change

[01:11:56] on the back they didn't really you know this world they just focused on the bog and I can see

[01:12:01] that mid reference to the alliance that they had made which we don't need to know anything of um

[01:12:06] you know I've made reference to the fact that Beverly had put something into the transporters

[01:12:10] that it's a changeling now they're get cost so I really enjoyed seeing this crew working I love seeing

[01:12:18] raffi in seven of nine working I just loved how it really played on the fandom and nostalgia for

[01:12:27] these great characters um really good actors did it in a meaningful way uh and just into

[01:12:35] what effectively you know potentially the the the the forward look of of a legacy yeah with seven

[01:12:45] of nine and raffi uh battling above earth but that final scene I just thought it was really so well done

[01:12:54] um I thought most of the quotes um could have done 101 small points that was really meaningful

[01:13:01] between the crew of the Enterprise um and so yeah absolutely loved this um great CQ in

[01:13:08] the four a few seconds uh in the end credits so it's seen so uh yep for me five oh happy days out

[01:13:17] of five really really enjoyed this fantastic Chris save it yourself what's your final thoughts

[01:13:23] I'm gonna save a lot of them for our wrap up because I want to talk about the series as a whole

[01:13:28] before finally as a single entity it was fantastic it was really really good playing on the nostalgia

[01:13:36] well written leaning heavy into the strength of each of the actors yeah and the dialogue separately

[01:13:43] and then bringing to be something that's better than the some of its parts um so absolutely

[01:13:50] just fantastic really enjoyed this and sad to see it go um maybe it's not anymore we'll see

[01:13:57] we'll see when they're not what they're not but overall just absolutely loved this finale

[01:14:01] Derek yourself what did you think of this one?

[01:14:04] other this is fantastic um the balance between what you two the characters got to do in this episode

[01:14:09] is something that I really thought was fantastically managed everybody gets a moment

[01:14:13] everybody gets something that plays the strengths everybody gets either a comedy moment or a very

[01:14:17] serious moment um I thought it worked so well and ending with the legacy of what we could see from

[01:14:23] a new cast in the future some uh some of the cast that we know really well some that we don't

[01:14:28] know well um I think was a great idea to do it that way some some fantastic moments yeah well done

[01:14:34] to to Terry Madelos and the the rising team for creating such a such a such a great story at this

[01:14:39] season um something brand new for uh for Star Trek where we've been able to enjoy the nostalgia

[01:14:45] and also enjoy a great science fiction story within this uh within this world so fantastic job so happy

[01:14:51] I'm so pleased um I think if Deanna Troy is here she would probably be going why am I sensing

[01:14:56] enjoyment uh this moment yes so yes good stuff uh I think after that that's all and exactly where

[01:15:03] the where the crew of uh of the Enterprise entered let's go to 10 for it absolutely yes fellow

[01:15:09] quizzes fellow Treckys welcome to the final 10 forward pub quiz it is of course question 10

[01:15:17] the final question yes final 10 for the final frontier question

[01:15:26] so here we go fellow quizzes and Treckys question 10 what two words do Klingons never admit to knowing

[01:15:35] very good another great line from the episode yes one more time what two words do Klingons

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[01:17:18] and then of course we have another show which features people taking the appearance of other

[01:17:25] people with secret invasion from marvel coming from June 21st on disney plus yes excellent it's

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