The Marvels 2023 Movie Review
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The Marvels 2023 Movie Review

We're back in the cinema for the 34th MCU movie The Marvels. The funny and action filled team up between Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel and Photon.

Synopsis for our The Marvels 2023 Review

Written by: Nia DaCosta

Directed by: Nia DaCosta, Megan McDonnell and Elissa Karasik

The collapse of the Supreme Intelligence leads to a civil war among the Kree species in their home world of Hala. The conflict renders the planet barren as it loses its air, water, and their sun begins to die.

Dar-Benn, the new leader of the Kree, retrieves one half of the Quantum Bands, of which Kamala Khan has the other half. Dar-Benn harnesses the power of the Band, and pairs it with her staff, Universal Weapon, to tear apart a jump point in space with the aim of stripping the resources required from planets linked to The Annihilator, aka Carol Danvers, to repair her home world of Hala. The resulting anomaly is discovered by the Strategic Aerospace, Biophysics and Exolinguistic Response or S.A.B.E.R.

Meanwhile, Nick Fury, now residing at the S.A.B.E.R. space station calls in Carol Danvers and Monica Rambeau to investigate a jump point anomaly near the space station. When Rambeau touches it, she, Danvers, and Khan switch places through teleportation. The switching causes the three to fight each others' Kree enemies, leaving the Khans' house destroyed in their wake.

As the three women return to their original places, Fury and Rambeau visit Khan on Earth. As Khan eagerly demonstrates her powers, she switches places with Danvers. The group surmises that the light-based powers of Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau, and Ms Marvel are linked through quantum entanglement, and that they switch places when any of them use their powers at the same time.

The three join up at a Skrull refugee colony on the planet Tarnax, where talks of resettlement have dissolved. Dar-Benn rips open another jump point, which siphons the atmosphere of Tarnax into Hala to try and restore its air. After a hasty effort to evacuate the colony, Danvers, Rambeau, and Kamala form a team informally referred to by Kamala as "the Marvels". 

Danvers informs the others of the legend that the Quantum Bands had been used to create the jump point transportation network; the three became entangled due to their mutual contact with its energy when Dar-Benn disrupted it, with Dar-Benn's repeated rupturing of jump points causing instability to the network and endangering the universe.

Dar-Benn reaches the planet Aladna, where she tears open a jump point to draw the ocean water into Hala. Her final plan is to take the energy of Earth's sun to restore that of Hala. The Marvels fight and subdue Dar-Benn, but she steals Kamala's Band and uses both bracelets in conjunction to tear open another hole in space. The effort in doing so destroys Dar-Benn and leaves behind an opening into the multiverse. 

After Khan reclaims the Bands, she and Danvers use their combined powers to energize Rambeau, allowing her to close the hole from the other side, but leaving her stranded in the process in the other universe. Danvers flies into Hala's sun and uses her power to restore it.

The short-lived team-up with Danvers and Rambeau inspires Kamala to seek out other heroes and form a new group, starting with Kate Bishop. 

In a mid-credits scene, Monica Rambeau awakes in a parallel universe where she is greeted by an alternate version of her mother Maria (Binary) and the mutant Hank McCoy aka Beast of The X-Men.

Cast of The Marvels 2023

  • Brie Larson - Carol Danvers AKA Captain Marvel
  • Iman Velani - Ms. Marvel
  • Teyonah Parris - Monica Rambeau Spectrum
  • Zawe Ashton - Dar-Benn
  • Samuel L. Jackson - Nick Fury
  • Lashana Lynch - Maria Rambeau
  • Mohan Kapur - Yusuf Khan
  • Zenobia Shroff - Muneeba Khan
  • Saagar Shaikh - Aamir


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[00:00:00] This is Movies on TV Podcast Industries. We're back at the cinema for The Marvels.

[00:00:05] Hi, further faster baby. That's right.

[00:00:28] Welcome back fellow defenders to Movies on TV Podcast Industries. This time we're talking about The Marvels,

[00:00:33] the 34th movie in the MCU. I'm one of your host Derek. Hello there fellow defenders, I am your other

[00:00:40] host John. Yes, welcome to The Movies Podcasts and the Marvels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Finally back

[00:00:47] at the cinema after guarding the Galaxy Volume 3, I think it was the last MCU movie and at Manquantamania

[00:00:53] this year. Yeah, at least for the MCU. Yes. Yeah. At this time with three major characters,

[00:00:58] plastic-cury from the MCU. We've got Captain Marvel, Miss Marvel and Spectrum I guess is her

[00:01:05] legitimate name but there is a good joke in here about the fact that Monica Rambo doesn't really

[00:01:09] have a superhero name. No, and I love that Kamala Khan is trying to figure out what her name would

[00:01:15] be. Of course. We get lots of suggestions throughout the course of the movie. Yeah. This was great.

[00:01:22] It was great being back to see such a fun movie but also just really fast-paced,

[00:01:29] really action-packed. Absolutely. No hanging around. I guess as well it really

[00:01:36] felt like that because we finished off Season 2 of Loki where that format of TV took a long time

[00:01:45] to get to the final episode in my mind and a lot of it. Techno, talk and a lot of exposition.

[00:01:55] This was really good. A fast-paced movie and I just love that it drew in these three characters

[00:02:03] and their worlds with Monica Rambo, Carol Danvers and her beef with the cream as well as Kamala

[00:02:11] and her family and just her youthful exuberance. Absolutely. It was brilliant. It was really good.

[00:02:19] Really good fun, we are going to of course talk about the movie in spoiler-filled details if you

[00:02:24] haven't got to see it. We do recommend going check it out today. It's a great fun time but the

[00:02:28] movie definitely goes check it out. It's something you're not going to have. You won't be wasting a huge

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[00:04:45] let's get into the podcast a bit the marvels definitely Derek what are some of the movie details

[00:04:52] well the movie was directed by a near to Costa interestingly and this is probably a bit shocking

[00:04:57] for anybody who doesn't know her previous work. Most recently she was a writer and director for

[00:05:01] the candy man reboot in 2021. Well actually I think the term is a recall so it kind of follows on

[00:05:06] from the previous movies bush kind of reboots the universe I guess. It's a really good horror movie

[00:05:13] but interesting that's her to previous major credits before coming into this marvels movie.

[00:05:19] Yeah good stuff moving from horror into action comedy and superhero movies good good move

[00:05:27] yeah and she's also one of the writers on the movie need a cost of rote with Megan McDonald

[00:05:31] and Alyssa Karasik. Megan wrote two episodes of one division and Alyssa Karasik wrote the second

[00:05:37] episode of Loki season one as well so they have dipped their toes into the Disney plus MCU as well

[00:05:42] so bringing that knowledge with them to the marvels which makes a lot of sense given where we've

[00:05:48] got a lot of the characters from of course Miss Marvel coming from Disney plus and Monica Rambo

[00:05:53] mostly seen in one division yeah absolutely good stuff. Excellent John would you like to give us

[00:05:58] your synopsis for the marvels or would you like to sing it? I don't know I think I might speak it

[00:06:07] despite what we got from the singing planet of a ladner. I think I'm bilingual in this.

[00:06:13] Okay good stuff good stuff well I guess do want to give us your regular synopsis for the marvels

[00:06:19] job. Sure the collapse of the supreme intelligence leads to a civil war among the kree species in

[00:06:25] their homeworld of Hala the conflict renders the planet barren as it loses its air water and

[00:06:30] their son begins to die. Dauben the new leader of the kree receives one half of the quantum

[00:06:36] bands of which Kamala Khan has the other half. Dauben harnesses the power of the band and

[00:06:41] pers it with her staff the universal weapon to terracotta jump point in space with the aim of

[00:06:48] stripping the resources required from planets linked to the annihilator aka Carol Danvers

[00:06:55] to repair her homeworld of Hala the resulting anomaly is discovered by the strategic aerospace

[00:07:00] biophysics and exo-linguistic response or saber. Meanwhile Nick Fury now residing at the Saber

[00:07:07] Space Station calls in Carol Danvers and Monica Rambo to investigate a joint point anomaly near

[00:07:13] the space station when Rambo touches it she Danvers and Kamala Khan switch places through teleportation

[00:07:20] the switching causes the three to fight each other's kree enemies leaving the car's house destroyed

[00:07:26] in their wake. As the three women return to their original places Fury and Rambo visit Kamala

[00:07:32] Khan on earth as Kamala eagerly demonstrates her powers she switches places with Danvers

[00:07:39] the group summarises that the light based powers of Danvers Rambo and Khan are linked through quantum

[00:07:44] entanglement and that they switch places when any of them use their powers at the same time

[00:07:50] the three join up at a scroll refugee colony on the planet Tarnaxe where talks with the kree

[00:07:56] and about resettlement have dissolved. Darben rips open another jump point which siphons

[00:08:02] the atmosphere of Tarnaxe into Hala to try and restore its air after a hasty effort to

[00:08:07] evacuate the colony Danvers Rambo and Khan form a team informally referred to by Khan as the Marvels

[00:08:16] Danvers informs the others of the legend that the quantum bands had been used to create joint

[00:08:20] point transportation network the three became entangled due to their mutual contact with its energy

[00:08:26] when Darben disrupted it. The Darben's repeated rupturing of jump points causing instability

[00:08:34] to the network and endangering the universe. Darben reaches the planet Aladna where she

[00:08:40] tears open a joint point to draw the ocean water into Hala. Her final plan is to take the energy

[00:08:46] of Earth's Sun to restore that of Hala. The marvels fight and subdued Darben but she steals

[00:08:52] Khan's band and uses both bracelets in conjunction to tear open another hole in space.

[00:08:58] The effort in doing so destroys Darben and leaves behind an opening into the multiverse.

[00:09:05] After Khan reclaims the bands she and Danvers use their combined powers to energize Rambo,

[00:09:11] allowing her to close the hole from the other side but leaving her stranded in the process

[00:09:16] in the other universe. Danvers flies into Hala's Sun and uses her power to restore it.

[00:09:22] The short-lived team up with Danvers and Rambo inspires Khan to seek out other heroes

[00:09:27] and form a new group, starting with Kate Bishop. In a mid-credits scene Monica Rambo awakens

[00:09:34] in a parallel universe where she is greeted by an alternate version of her mother Maria

[00:09:40] and the mutant tank McCoy aka Beast of the X-Men. Wow, the introduction of the X-Men

[00:09:49] finally here in the marvels. Absolutely that was a nice surprise.

[00:09:56] That's a real strength scene. Yeah. And interestingly, Beast still at least voiced by

[00:10:00] Kelsey Grammer. It looked like a very different body type than he had in the X-Men movies when

[00:10:05] he appeared before as Beast but what an interesting choice to have him in there. Yes, the intellectual

[00:10:10] phrase of crane is the beast. The intellectual beast? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was really

[00:10:17] surprised that it was Kelsey Grammer voicing it but really pleased because

[00:10:21] a gosh, it takes me back to the early Nazis with that character coming in and played by Kelsey Grammer.

[00:10:28] Yeah, absolutely. And he also references that there is a Charles Xavier here as well.

[00:10:32] Yeah, absolutely. So hopefully we'll be seeing Charles Xavier back in the X-Men

[00:10:37] wherever that comes right but of course that is the post-credits scene for the movie. We'll

[00:10:40] be talking about everything to do with the movie probably including that again as we get closer

[00:10:44] towards towards the end of the movie but what we normally do is pick out our major points

[00:10:48] from the movie to discuss them hopefully covering off everything we want to talk about

[00:10:52] within the marvels. Let's start out with the whole reason for this movie existed really. The master

[00:10:57] plan of Darabén the new leader of the Cree. So it looks like Darabén has taken over after

[00:11:03] the AI leader of the Cree was destroyed by Carol Danvers in the first Captain Marvel movie, right?

[00:11:09] Yeah. That was played by Annette Benning. The old leader? Yeah, artificial intelligence.

[00:11:13] Yeah, and I'm like it was kind of interesting this. I actually the part I really enjoyed about

[00:11:21] this was just the fact that Carol Danvers was to the Cree known as the Annihilator. You know,

[00:11:27] and you see it throughout the movie with her saying I hate that name but a name that for the Cree

[00:11:35] is absolutely meaningful so I kind of like that discomfort that was apparent with Carol Danvers

[00:11:41] by being called that because we're coming in to this movie not really a thinking Carol Danvers

[00:11:47] as being some kind of anti hero but it's just like all the perspective and I thought that was

[00:11:51] done really well because in trying to free them to do something good she ultimately unleashed

[00:11:58] this civil war which ripped apart the Cree Empire with you know the technology that they have

[00:12:06] and seemingly had destroyed their home planet of Hala. And so you know you see kind of flashbacks

[00:12:13] to Carol Danvers coming in and taking out the artificial intelligence seeing Darben

[00:12:21] being sort of knocked to the ground by Carol Danvers. And you can you got the sense from Darben that

[00:12:27] sort of long standing resentment, the vengeance here and to that plan it's that the different planets

[00:12:37] were she is trying to restore her planet Hala in terms of a breathable atmosphere and were she's

[00:12:44] trying to sort of have the oceans brought back and water returned to Hala as well as then to fix

[00:12:52] their dying sun which is effectively making her planets on inhabitable. And she's targeting

[00:13:01] associations or planets directly in particular with Earth at the end and they have direct

[00:13:08] connections to the annihilation. Well every one of them yeah I suppose you know interestingly this

[00:13:13] kind of does feed off secret invasion we learned in that TV show hopefully you're not spoiling anything

[00:13:18] if you haven't watched that but we learned in that TV show that Nick Fury and Carol Danvers had made

[00:13:23] a promise that they would find a new planet for the scroll who were living on Earth. Here we have

[00:13:27] a planet where some of the scrolls are living and where Carol Danvers has put them. And as the whole

[00:13:34] story feeds it through it the whole movie like we do get this initially called out as she is

[00:13:40] the annihilator and then the story kind of feeds out across the movie what we find out that because

[00:13:44] of what Carol Danvers has done to the Cree home world she feels totally responsibility for that so

[00:13:48] that is now her new purpose it's the reason why she hasn't gone back yet to help save the scrolls

[00:13:53] she has been protecting this planet that has scroll on it and that's why Darben targets that one

[00:13:59] first because it does have a direct connection is one of the reasons why she targets it first

[00:14:02] as a direct connection to Carol Danvers. Yeah and this also has that connection to secret invasion

[00:14:08] where this is the other grouping of scroll that weren't on Earth and were trying to form a new

[00:14:18] community of scroll on another planet and aided by Carol Danvers with I think Emperor Drow

[00:14:26] so you see him here with his crown on and yeah like I really kind of enjoyed just like simplicity

[00:14:34] of Darben's role in this movie I thought it was really good and I think just linking into

[00:14:43] this history of what Carol Danvers had done like you absolutely very quickly got

[00:14:49] you know her motivation and I think that's to the credit of this movie at an hour and a half

[00:14:54] it gave you what you needed to know for the movie. It was very efficient yeah but it didn't

[00:15:00] need to do anything else and it really took me back to you know kind of 80s movies that really

[00:15:05] 100% yeah you know standalone did their thing and not having to over complicate it or even

[00:15:13] you know sometimes the over complication can you know link into having to connect these movies

[00:15:19] with one another and now to the TV shows on Disney Plus but this felt connected but also really

[00:15:28] standalone and really quick. Yeah I do I do wonder for people who haven't watched all the TV shows

[00:15:32] was a bit too quick at times they do glass over a lot of things bringing everybody in really quickly

[00:15:37] I think it worked really well it didn't dwell on a lot of things but as we as you can see even from

[00:15:42] this first point there's so many connections in here to things that we've seen in secret invasion

[00:15:48] of course with Monica Rambo and the relationship with Carol Danvers why Carol Danvers didn't come

[00:15:53] back all those years that Monica Rambo was growing up with Ed or mother that's all discussed which

[00:15:57] will talk about in a second with the other characters but they're all in there it's all in there

[00:16:02] it's all available if you want to look for it but it doesn't it isn't necessary to enjoy the movie

[00:16:07] so they don't dwell too much on it but I think the reference to an ex-action movie is really accurate

[00:16:12] that's exactly what it feels like here this it just moves really fast it's not dwelling on anything

[00:16:17] it's setting up your bad guy here Darben and then it's going to set up the heroes that will take

[00:16:21] out Darben that's that is the purpose of the movie and it runs right through as quickly as it can

[00:16:27] yeah and the actor Zoe Ashton who plays Darben linked and is the partner to Loki

[00:16:34] Tom Hiddleston so yeah kind of coming off the back of the end of season two of Loki

[00:16:40] and it's a big weekend for them with the finale of Loki and the premiere of the Marvels and

[00:16:44] one weekend for their household absolutely but no real kind of connection to Loki season two from what

[00:16:51] I could see you know it is primarily through one division with Monaco Rambo to Miss Marvel

[00:16:58] with Kamala Khan and then Carol Danvers to the other movies and then a little bit of secret

[00:17:03] invasion yeah exactly so again you know it's very difficult to align all these things together

[00:17:08] you know making a movie takes much longer in most senses than making the TV shows although

[00:17:12] the Marvel TV shows do take a long time add a lot of money to make as well but but lining them up

[00:17:17] to make sure the people have seen the shows and the movies in the right order is always a difficulty

[00:17:22] so I think they've avoided that quite well here but it is there if you want to go back and watch

[00:17:26] the movies and go back and watch the TV shows that they're connected to you'll pick up other stuff

[00:17:30] particularly within this overarching storyline within Darben yeah absolutely actually move on

[00:17:36] to our second point getting the band or bands together again absolutely absolutely really really

[00:17:45] enjoyed the efficiency with which they bring in each of these characters and the fun which how

[00:17:50] they bring out all these characters in we start out the movie with Kamala Khan and they're definitely

[00:17:54] taking references from how she was handled in Miss Marvel and we see Kamala drawing images of

[00:18:00] herself and Carol Danvers together being besties you know this is her dream member of the Avengers

[00:18:06] the one that she loves most of all of the Avengers and we have that animated sequence almost of the two

[00:18:11] of them being best friends and how they're they're meeting should go together I thought that was

[00:18:15] great and really a man Valani once again an absolute showstopper she's just tearing up the scenery

[00:18:22] every time she's on screen as this really excitable really happy brand new hero who's got her

[00:18:28] powers and she's finally getting the notice of people like Nick Fury people like Carol Danvers

[00:18:33] you know people are finally seeing who she is and she is so excited to work with them all

[00:18:38] I loved it the energy that she brings is just superb I mean I think Imann Valani is just superb

[00:18:48] she's treasure like she really is and I just think the whole sort of ethos of this character is so

[00:18:57] well portrayed by her and just the energy the buzz and in a sense almost like youthful naivety as

[00:19:05] well you know an excitement about being involved is just superb and I just loved how you know when

[00:19:12] she first meets Nick Fury even is you know whatever about Carol Danvers she's kind of like a

[00:19:17] unique fury you know and as you say gradually he sees her pulling her weight but being involved working

[00:19:24] with Rambo and with Carol and he sees her value absolutely you know you know just to put it into

[00:19:32] that kind of I guess more objective thing of you know Nick Fury agent of Saber I guess and

[00:19:40] Shields and Sword and all these different things every agent of sword I have to say that it's never

[00:19:46] involved in sword no okay but equally I do think that you know her family as well how is really

[00:19:55] good billing here and I absolutely loved having her mom dad and brother back here as well

[00:20:03] you know we didn't get to see any of her friends from the TV show but I think again for efficiency

[00:20:09] they're just you know the focusing on the family and again I love her mother I just love

[00:20:15] the mother-ness of her speaking with Kamala her daughter I love the fact that you know one of the

[00:20:23] fights you see her mom jumping to protect her husband as well against one of the Cree soldiers

[00:20:30] that they're fighting yeah and it was just really really good and I tell her well they worked

[00:20:36] together during the series and we said you know that while Ananvalani is absolutely the center of

[00:20:42] that show her family and the supporters and how they're written around her were really important

[00:20:47] to making the success of Miss Marble Wyatt was such a good show so bringing them in here felt

[00:20:52] really important to have them still involved in her and her life as she kind of moves on towards

[00:20:57] the end of the movie we do have a much more growth for Kamala in this movie as she starts to become

[00:21:02] more of a superhero but having them there beside her still having that relationship with her brother

[00:21:06] where while he loves her of course he's gonna he's gonna make some jokes that her expense as well

[00:21:11] that's great fun but that opening moment where we have the post credits scene from Miss Marble where

[00:21:16] Carol Dammers suddenly appears in her house and Kamala is thrown into space replacing Manaka

[00:21:21] Rambo and she suddenly appears at the space station in front of the fury going in space yeah

[00:21:26] and and suddenly season if you're in goes is this a test to get into the event oh my god this is

[00:21:31] awesome yes and so and it's also the shock of her mom as Carol Dammers comes down the stairs

[00:21:37] in in her house and it's just like I just loved all of this yeah I thought it was so well played

[00:21:44] and I know we'll get to it a little bit later in this point but just the whole switching of the

[00:21:49] hours and some of the footage was phenomenal and well I loved seeing Kamala and her family here again

[00:21:57] I actually just felt they really they brought that heart and I think so did Manaka Rambo as

[00:22:04] well in terms of you know the baggage that needed to be unpacked with Carol but also still you

[00:22:10] know that emotional loss you know a different emotional beats from Manaka Rambo that's what brought

[00:22:16] here so really two different kind of emotional beats that were brought together and through this

[00:22:24] this partnership yeah the marvels being created you know this band and I thought was really good

[00:22:30] and you know importantly around Kamala is that cosmic band that she got from her Nana

[00:22:37] and is the same as the one found by Dar Ben on that planet and is being used to open up

[00:22:45] these jump points that we have seen in Guardians of the Galaxy these hexagonal jump points

[00:22:51] in order to effectively pull whatever is needed by Halla from from one planet to Halla

[00:22:59] yeah so they're kind of restocks the atmosphere or the oceans and all that with the water

[00:23:05] and the air and stuff yeah it's a really interesting idea isn't it because we've seen the jump

[00:23:08] points as you say in Guardians of the Galaxy most often we saw them in Captain Marvel as well but

[00:23:13] it's a really interesting idea because effectively she's opening up a hole in them pulling things

[00:23:17] through and leaving them open for a long time whereas in the past we've seen people jump through

[00:23:21] them and then the jump point closes behind the ship effectively so this is the damage that she's

[00:23:26] doing when she's opening up these holes and allowing them to stay open for too long it's causing

[00:23:32] these kind of rips in the galaxy so that's a really interesting idea and you did mention that none

[00:23:38] of the friends appeared in the movie but I do like there is a moment where Kamala's in the middle

[00:23:42] of a fight and goes my god and Nikkiya's mind would be blown if she saw me doing that and Nikkiya

[00:23:48] is one of her best friends in the TV show so she does call it out so again you know having these

[00:23:52] characters so recently from the Miss Marvel TV show moving into the movies you know they probably

[00:23:57] bottle along with them you know a lot of their ideas and the characterization that they brought to

[00:24:02] the TV show and that is still the same heath that they have the TV show it's not like they moved

[00:24:06] into it into a different place so I love that they kept all of that so it feels like almost

[00:24:11] for the first time this movie is a direct sequel to Miss Marvel yeah you could watch

[00:24:16] Miss Marvel and then turn this on directly afterwards to could see the continuation of the story

[00:24:20] and I think like you say you know the growth that she has mean she really steps up in this partnership

[00:24:26] and actually is the one trying to kind of bring them together because she can sense the you know

[00:24:32] the unresolved issues between Carol and Monica but equally there's growth for her family who end up

[00:24:40] on the Saber space station as well with Nick Fury interestingly that Saber acronym wow is it

[00:24:48] a mouthful it doesn't quite feel right to me but nonetheless it is what it is and I'm sure it's

[00:24:55] from the comics well a little call back to the ages of shield TV show when agent Colton is telling

[00:25:02] Grant Ward the acronym for shield and ask some what it means and he goes I think somebody

[00:25:07] was really trying to spell out the word shield in the same way somebody was trying to spell out the

[00:25:11] words Saber here with their words that's how it worked in Marvel as well they start out with the

[00:25:15] yet with the name the acronym and then add some words that kind of get close to what they are

[00:25:20] and that's Monica that's where she's working now she had in the past worked for sword

[00:25:24] back in one division she's now working at in space with Nick Fury using her powers to help them

[00:25:30] develop the space station improve the space station so that they can track these threats from

[00:25:35] other galaxies yeah and this is I suppose again tying in with secret invasion the idea

[00:25:41] of from Nick Fury is that he wasn't able to prevent the attack from Thanos so the reason why he's

[00:25:46] out here on the space station is because he's looking for ways to protect the earth from extraterrestrial

[00:25:52] threats so yeah this is his big plan and Monica's working with him yeah and here is where they first

[00:25:57] spot this anomaly within the jump points the jump point closest to earth yeah and have

[00:26:05] Monica go out to investigate it yeah yeah and I will say you know after I haven't watched

[00:26:11] Captain Marvel recently we saw it a bit in a couple of weeks ago um you know I think there is

[00:26:15] a little emotional moment there when you hear Nick talking to Carol Danvers and he brings in Monica

[00:26:22] to the conversation and effectively Carol Danvers is hearing the voice of the adult Monica Rambo

[00:26:28] for the first time because Monica disappeared in the snap so all that time that Captain Marvel

[00:26:32] was working with the Avengers on earth she wouldn't have been there Monica was already gone so this

[00:26:37] is the first time Carol is connecting with effectively her niece of their best friends daughter and

[00:26:43] in Captain Marvel she's just a young girl exactly yeah yeah this was really good and I like this

[00:26:49] baggage you know it was Monica's all were have you been Carol and effectively we find out she's been

[00:26:55] fighting her own demons in a sense out on her own in her spaceship both in terms of trying to find

[00:27:05] and help the scroll that have been displaced by the Cree but also weighing heavily on it is

[00:27:11] what she created on Hallow with the Cree Civil War and she wants to fix all of these things and until

[00:27:18] that's done she feels she needs to be out in space to help both the Cree and the scroll she's

[00:27:26] focused on the scroll because the Cree in effect don't want her help because they see her as

[00:27:32] the destroyer the annihilator so you know I like the fact that there's kind of a guilt here to Carol

[00:27:39] isolating herself away from earth and absolutely away from Monica yeah Monica's going you never even

[00:27:46] came back to me after my mama died and I'd returned after the snap you never even came back to

[00:27:51] to help me during that time and even when her mother was dying of cancer we see that there is a moment

[00:27:56] that Carol came back and was talking to Maria and the porch when she tells her that the cancer is

[00:28:03] coming back and it's it looks like it's terminal um Carol then leaves and doesn't come back so

[00:28:08] so I thought that was quite interesting that that relationship between the two and why it is

[00:28:12] the Carol is no is not coming back to earth because she can come back with the mantle of an

[00:28:17] annihilator she wants to come back as the superhero Carol down pretty much. She's worried about what

[00:28:21] Monica will think of her having this this name this moniker from the Cree's so yeah you know it

[00:28:30] it kind of complicated and I kind of liked how Carol in a sense I feel initially when these three

[00:28:36] are together you know she is detached there is that awkwardness that tension between Monica and

[00:28:43] Carol and Kamala's emotional skills then she completely sees that it's there yeah and I like

[00:28:52] that because I think Bri Larson does give off that sense of almost a little bit of frostiness

[00:28:59] at the start yes and you feel she just doesn't want any involvement here and she works alone she

[00:29:05] wants to work alone that's it doesn't want to be part of this team you know even when she was

[00:29:09] remembered the the Avengers it was come in do my job get out she wasn't hang around you know there

[00:29:13] was always that thing with Carol downvers and so I do like that we have Kamala Khan here constantly

[00:29:20] trying to impress Carol downvers her favorite superhero trying to be besties with her we have Monica

[00:29:25] kind of slipping. Twinsies absolutely but we have Monica kind of sliding into that that parenthood

[00:29:32] for Kamala she seems really protective of her as she's learning how to use these powers between

[00:29:37] the three of them it seems like Monica is the one that's trying to make sure that Kamala doesn't

[00:29:41] get her but they have to keep her safe because she's the one with the band that's what Darben wants

[00:29:45] but Monica's slipping into that role Carol's kind of retreating almost until they're all pulled

[00:29:51] together the three of them have to work together to learn how to use this new switching power

[00:29:56] and it took me a while to get to guess what was happening again I think it's the strength of the

[00:30:00] movie in some ways it doesn't really tell you what's happening with the switching powers it allows

[00:30:05] you to learn it through the characters I kind of was wondering you know every time they lose

[00:30:08] they use their powers and they're switching and you're going oh well that means they can't use

[00:30:13] their powers at all they're gonna have to overcome being a hero without using their powers but

[00:30:18] actually it's just if one uses it at the same exact moment as another one of the three of them

[00:30:24] uses their powers then they switch so they're able to train together to work out how to use the best

[00:30:30] the one two three go yeah exactly which is another great joke if we're gonna go on three why did

[00:30:35] you say go yeah exactly and but that was really good you know just seeing them trying to sort of

[00:30:40] understand it and to almost get the this automatic sort of response that you know when they use

[00:30:47] their powers they could and more than likely will jump and they have to be ready to and you know

[00:30:54] they're trying it through catching a tennis ball but go it and be doing something completely

[00:31:00] different from what you know they could even be facing the wrong way yeah and I like this and I

[00:31:04] thought that whole fight with the the Cree and the three of them switching primarily focused around

[00:31:11] Kamala's house but also you have it in the space station with Nick Fury and you have it on a

[00:31:18] Cree ship somewhere out in in the galaxy yeah I thought this was just so so good I absolutely loved

[00:31:28] this and I mean it's it's kind of going on for I would say a good five minutes yeah of time you

[00:31:36] know evolving Kamala's family when it's in the family house involving Nick Fury when it's

[00:31:41] on the space station and I really like this because me you know that there are genuine moments where

[00:31:48] Kamala has just really met Carol and Monica yet she's suddenly being transported onto a Cree ship

[00:31:56] as the powers are being used and I know well technically she hasn't met either of them at all

[00:32:00] she just keeps switching with them you know it doesn't even just that moment when her parents are

[00:32:04] telling her Carol downers was in the house she's going what do you mean a missed Carol that's

[00:32:08] doesn't really understand the switching part at this point but having watched the six episodes

[00:32:12] of this marvel being placed in this house it's almost like it's getting trashed in front of your eyes

[00:32:19] and you're going I got a second what's got what's happened here with this home that we've we've

[00:32:23] spent so much time in it's absolutely getting destroyed we have one of the Cree yelling throwing

[00:32:28] up through the floor through the roof out of the house by Captain Marvel and then when she's

[00:32:33] as her parents again Miss Marvel suddenly appears back in there to continue the fight against the Cree

[00:32:38] really enjoyed how that all played out it led to some good comedy moments as well I love that

[00:32:43] the fight all ends with Monica and Carol Danvers in the house with Nick Fury and Kamala is out in

[00:32:50] space so Carol tries to fly off to save her so that she doesn't use her powers tries to fly off

[00:32:56] and save her uses her powers just as Miss Marvel uses hers and she's now falling from the sky yeah

[00:33:02] and suddenly Monica Rabbo has to learn how to fly effectively Nick Fury telling her you need to

[00:33:07] learn how to fly right now or else this kid's going to die yeah exactly love the idea of bringing

[00:33:12] that in as the comedy moments and also the action moments bringing in them using their switching

[00:33:17] powers it was fantastic really really enjoyed definitely definitely it was really and just to

[00:33:22] reference again the 80s movie styling of this of course as they learn how to work together

[00:33:27] uh through the powers we do get a great montage you mentioned the uh the tennis bowl

[00:33:31] as their way of working out how to switch between each other throwing the talents tennis ball in the

[00:33:34] air switching and then somebody else catches the bowl thought that was really good and then jump rope

[00:33:38] as there as they're learning how to switch properly between each of the three of them thought

[00:33:43] that was really good fun and how it's how it's um failing sometimes and eventually starts to work

[00:33:48] uh that was just so so well observed so it's such a good comedy moment and I can't imagine how

[00:33:54] you'd film that I don't know how to do how you film that you just film the whole thing from everybody's

[00:34:00] perspective and then edit it all together because you're also bringing in their reactions to

[00:34:05] actually switching as well so I don't know how they did it but it was really good it was good

[00:34:09] superb it was one of the best action sequences I've seen in a long time like for me anyway it

[00:34:16] was so much fun as well you know you're so used to seeing action sequences the way they do them

[00:34:19] in Marvel you know punch punch lots of money behind us lots of explosions this just added so much

[00:34:25] fun to us being not knowing exactly who was going to appear uh to punch the x-create or to get

[00:34:30] into the next battle yeah and there's a lot of fun you know underlying this movie as a whole

[00:34:36] which is really good and I think with that I think we can move on to our third point which is

[00:34:42] the musical party plan you know the minute this started I knew I was in a comedy movie a fun comedy

[00:34:50] movie in Marvel comedy action of course but this is absolutely telling you what movie you're in

[00:34:55] absolutely I have to say I was a little shocked when I had to kind of get used to I was like oh

[00:35:01] are they really going here and it was like they did they went there and I'm glad that the king

[00:35:08] was bilingual so that he could speak because I just saw yeah no exactly and I just I was like oh my

[00:35:15] goodness this is so off the wall and I mean I say that because it's not because we've seen musical

[00:35:22] episodes of different shows you know like Buffy back in the day and all you know using puppets or

[00:35:29] whatever it might be but I it felt like having it in a movie this was really really kind of

[00:35:35] different for for Marvel and yes by loved it in the end yes but I will say I can absolutely see

[00:35:44] this in James Gunn's Garden of the Galaxy No exactly definitely you could see all the characters

[00:35:49] arriving on a planet where they have to sing and then the joke being that group can only sing

[00:35:53] I am Groot or can I ever say I am Groot something like that so it doesn't feel out of place for the MCU

[00:35:58] and if you have infinite possibilities infinite infinite realities infinite characters then a musical

[00:36:04] party planet does sound like that works really well yeah no definitely no I ultimately liked it but

[00:36:10] I think there was the initial moment I mean I love Kamala Khan just sort of dancing through the street

[00:36:16] sort of waving arms like we're trying to encourage Monica to sort of get into the groove of it

[00:36:23] yeah and I loved the thing is like why you're not singing to Carol Damba's tears I am

[00:36:32] and she's princess of this planet so she's obviously been here a few times a Disney princess

[00:36:36] no doubt absolutely finally a Disney princess but she's been here at this planet multiple times and

[00:36:40] married the married the prince here and to get him out of some legal entitlements as she says

[00:36:46] I think this was just a lot of fun and again being that we enjoyed Miss Marvel so much you know they

[00:36:52] had that amazing dance routine in Miss Marvel's TV show where it was her brother getting married

[00:36:59] at the wedding scene so it doesn't feel out of place for Kamala to be here in the streets dancing along

[00:37:04] with this awesome parade through the streets she's really excited but it was really good I think

[00:37:11] it's just more from the moniker and the carol side that you're just like okay because you know

[00:37:18] captain Marvel the movie was certainly a serious movie and moniker in one division it was serious

[00:37:26] she's a serious character yeah we even hear you know when carols calling her by her first name

[00:37:30] she's like no no it's captain Rambo she's a serious person that's beginning this movie but again

[00:37:35] it's the infectiousness of the joy that Kamala Khan brings to the whole movie that affects

[00:37:40] these characters as well they do seem to have a lot of fun and I enjoyed it I also like I

[00:37:46] suppose the embarrassment of carol downvers that she has to kind of explain to these to these people

[00:37:51] why she's bringing them to the planet they need help from from the prince who's who she's married to

[00:37:57] sort of but it feels like carol has to kind of fight through that embarrassment yeah in front

[00:38:02] of these two these two people for what she's been doing at space exactly because ultimately in terms

[00:38:08] of the the story as well this is where darben is coming to collect water for hallor and to open

[00:38:15] up another jump point so you know they're trying to slow her down they're trying to get that cosmic band

[00:38:21] offer and and of course for the aladnas I guess that's what you call this race and it's all done in

[00:38:28] wonderful costumes amazing costumes at two songs and uh you know they're trying to slow down

[00:38:39] darben as carol moniker and Kamala look to enact a plan to try and slow her down to stop her from

[00:38:46] opening up another jump point uh and to try and get the the cosmic band offer absolutely absolutely

[00:38:53] so yeah I thought this in the end was really really good it actually almost felt like in

[00:39:00] Thor love and thunder being at Zeus's big assembly absolutely yeah it was really good fun

[00:39:07] similar style again you know that the cosmic version of the MCU always seems to lean into the comedy

[00:39:12] a little bit when they when they are able to go to different types of planets right so yeah

[00:39:16] so it makes it makes sense here another big thing that happens on the planet level laden though

[00:39:20] is we get the movie upgraded before two of the characters costumes we get Miss Marvel getting

[00:39:25] her own costume here um including a scarf that she can use in her attacks yes I love that

[00:39:33] she was like it's kind of like you know when you get around with the tea towel flicking some

[00:39:38] on that uh messing around it was kind of like she was doing that I kind of loved it but she's got to

[00:39:42] go there well why do I have this stupid scarf on why why am I knowing scarf use the scarf

[00:39:48] use the scarf Kamala really good also a great gag in there for um for moniker Rambo on her new costume

[00:39:54] which is the the comic book accurate costume the white and black one with the star in the center of it

[00:39:59] and it also has the kind of white like drapes or like silk that attaches from a hand to her shoulder

[00:40:04] which is the comic book accurate one but basically moniker walks then one set of stairs and goes

[00:40:09] and get rid of these just rip them off which is which is really good so good yeah I think if you

[00:40:15] can't get through this moment if you watch this moment go oh where are they going with this movie um

[00:40:20] you're probably not gonna enjoy the rest of the film no I would say so I mean I have to for a very

[00:40:25] brief moment I was like oh my goodness what's happening here because I just didn't know how much

[00:40:30] singing was going to be involved here but it is ultimately um a take on Aladdin's world

[00:40:38] well yes some kind of musical world absolutely yeah and and what happens on the planet is they don't

[00:40:44] actually save them um do they just leave them behind to die um they take all the water from the

[00:40:49] fire also be taking their water at least it's not taking the atmosphere like like darben did on

[00:40:56] tarnaxe with the scroll because then they can't breathe they're all gonna so it was a will the

[00:41:01] scroll die because the scroll can survive quite a lot we saw on in secret invasion they can live

[00:41:05] on in a nuclear zone effect they can but I think it was also the fact that the proximity of that

[00:41:12] jump point seemed to be also bringing the sort of the mountains down on their new

[00:41:19] home yeah and and sissy that they were trying you know starting to build and so whereas here it was

[00:41:26] simply it looked more than it was the water just coming off planets not to say that they

[00:41:32] you know they wouldn't be able to survive that for much longer or they may be able to evacuate

[00:41:37] yeah I think it possibly I think with the atmosphere one it was almost creating water see so you

[00:41:44] see a number of ships sort of been pulled through as well to howler um in that moment because

[00:41:51] of the proximity of where the jump point is to their uh kind of new town where the scrolls are

[00:41:58] here it it's just seemed to be lifting the water because there was still a big then you have

[00:42:04] the big confrontation with Daven on one of the creed ships and there's the airborne battle as well

[00:42:13] as they they try to sort of still get the bands off Daven yeah yeah so Daven is successful here

[00:42:20] yeah you know the traditional mid movie success where the heroes fail at stopping her in her plan

[00:42:26] absolutely she has air and water actually now needs the energy of a sun to kickstart howler's sun

[00:42:35] and of course I think moving on to our fourth point because it linked in yeah with that

[00:42:42] she goes to earth this is the big sort of you know middle finger to Carol's hands here because

[00:42:49] it would ultimately destroy earth yes and with the removal of the sun or the energy of the sun

[00:42:57] yeah and so we see her coming here uh opening up so she she does manage to open up one of these

[00:43:03] rips in the uh jump points yeah and you see a trail from the sun starting and there is that

[00:43:09] slight dimming um it starts to happen and it begins to affect uh the the space station here as well

[00:43:17] which leads I think to probably uh one of the best moments in Marvel movie history or absolutely

[00:43:25] that we haven't mentioned goose at all we have luck and um we i like the introduction of goose

[00:43:31] with Kamala when she appears looks at the cute kiddie and she's like oh and then he eats two

[00:43:36] korea and deposits them in her home let her on so yeah basically leads to the big fight through space

[00:43:43] with all the jumping egg and Kamala's home I also love her mom's reaction to the fact that

[00:43:48] this this flurkin or cat as she thinks has just vomited out to fully grown uh

[00:43:56] crees are in our house exactly exactly but goose is also on the station with uh with Nick Fury

[00:44:02] and Kamala's family um and seems to be laying some kind of egg yeah I definitely got another

[00:44:09] racy's call back here this definitely seemed like the grandmothers right um suddenly these balls

[00:44:13] start to appear across the station uh it looked like it they look like brains yeah um just being

[00:44:19] deposited everywhere and all the all the people on uh on the saver space station are like one of

[00:44:26] these and then like opening up cubards and there's more of them in there and then they begin to crack

[00:44:32] open we've got some cute flurkin kittens uh that pop out the they really know their audience this

[00:44:38] was uh this is definitely right on my wheel I was like oh gorgeous little cute flurkin's uh and then

[00:44:43] you can see why near to Costa uh was involved in horror I mean it's not horror horror but it's just

[00:44:50] kind of um disgusting way of trying to evacuate the space station as you know the the the immediate

[00:45:00] solar system has been affected by uh darben's uh plan and you have to get all the the personnel off

[00:45:09] the saver space station which is beginning to sort of break apart uh except there aren't enough

[00:45:16] sort of liferafts on the space station and we have I think one of the best moments for me ever where

[00:45:26] all the cute kittens uh the idea is that they should gobble up all the the saver personnel so that

[00:45:34] they can actually fit in the escape pods and this just maybe laugh so much um really really enjoyed

[00:45:41] as they're almost stalking their prey these little flurkin kittens walking around stalking all of

[00:45:47] them and you hear the uh the voiceover uh sometimes Mars attacks actually the voiceover going don't

[00:45:53] allow the flurkins to eat you they are just trying to transport you they are our friends

[00:45:58] you know what's there as they're eating all of these uh all these people uh I also love the reactions

[00:46:02] of the engineers that work on saver they're not queuing up in a row to get in by the flurkins

[00:46:06] they're running scared they're running just in case yeah and I'm having to be cornered by the

[00:46:12] flurkin kittens I love that but it's also then just seeing Nick Fury trying to hurt these kittens

[00:46:18] onto the uh escape pods you know literally hurting cats it literally is and then uh just the

[00:46:25] fact when they get back down to earth you you just hear the uh and just these these technicians

[00:46:33] and saver personnel sort of just being vormis on to the grass uh it was so good yeah

[00:46:41] uh I I never knew I needed that with them and I did and it was fantastic yeah and they did

[00:46:48] just enough it wasn't too much it wasn't uh it didn't go on for too long it went on for just

[00:46:53] to ride just the right amount of time I guess um that's what you do in adjusting right when you're

[00:46:57] when you're doing this movie or in the to the CGI you kind of go right we just have one more

[00:47:01] flurkin uh eating another technician yeah just one more yeah just one more exactly and it

[00:47:06] ultimately the serious part of this section of the movie was happening out in space but you know

[00:47:13] with Carol Monika Kamala and trying to stop uh Daabene who um you know they feel as though they have

[00:47:21] done you know it's that kind of classic moment where you think you've gotten through to the bad guy

[00:47:26] and that they may see the error of their ways but instead um they do a counter attack you know

[00:47:34] they look beaten and down and out but do a counter attack and Daabene manages to get Kamala's band

[00:47:41] here yeah but I absolutely felt that they were going to have that moment where uh Daabene was

[00:47:46] being talked into accepting the the that cap Marvel would that would help her and too and I love

[00:47:53] that I was so wrong with that yeah I don't know I don't know it was really good it was really good

[00:47:57] I just it felt like that's the way they were gonna go with this movie you know we had lots of

[00:48:01] CGI battles throughout the movie wasn't gonna end the big CGI battle I thought it was going to be

[00:48:06] Captain Marvel explains I don't want to be the narrator Kamala has given me an option here where

[00:48:12] I can help reignite the sun and then we can save the crew and Daabene kind of going oh yeah that's

[00:48:17] a good idea right so let's go and do that yeah and then she gets the other band I'm trying to rip

[00:48:21] the rip soul out of our uh out of our galaxy and uh still send it through to the crew go oh okay

[00:48:27] so she is a bad guy then yeah exactly she's not willing to accept the uh the discussion and uh

[00:48:32] peace talks uh from Captain Marvel not at all um and goes out to effectively it's really I think

[00:48:39] to try and get the whole sun through or at least to increase the flow of the energy that we do

[00:48:46] start to see she goes out but it's just too much power I mean this is the moment where too much power

[00:48:53] um didn't help at all because she wasn't able to control it now interestingly though

[00:49:00] I didn't fully appreciate that they had in in the moment where she effectively turns to that

[00:49:07] glass that you see Kamala generate from her single band and her powers uh you know she

[00:49:17] turns to glass effectively and breaks up yeah but I didn't realize that the jump point then has

[00:49:24] effectively torn fraught through to another universe initially and either it had just torn through

[00:49:32] and and had created that extra power to bring the soul and so they needed to patch it off

[00:49:37] otherwise the sun and its energy would be transferred to Hala yeah it seemed like the ripped

[00:49:42] a permanent hole between the two jump points effectively this instead of having this temporary one

[00:49:47] that's held open by the pair of the darban has and she could close up behind her because she's used

[00:49:51] the two of them it just felt like she had opened up a permanent hole between the two galaxies but

[00:49:55] here we find out it's actually a hole between two universes yes anything else we want to talk about

[00:50:00] before we move on to um those kind of wrap up scenes afterwards uh where we'll talk about the other

[00:50:06] universe as well in that anything else you want to talk about with the battle with darban and how

[00:50:10] how it closes up no not from me okay because the end of this really is mnemica having to knit back

[00:50:15] together that gap between the two universes and her being left on the other side um she gets

[00:50:20] powered up by the combined power of captain marvel and by all powers combined exactly exactly

[00:50:25] they're no longer um connectors um the way they were they're not switching uh as they use their

[00:50:29] powers that are able to combine their powers now in a different way and they power up mnemica so

[00:50:33] that she's able to knit the universe back together and she's left on the other side after reconnecting

[00:50:38] with uh captain marvel so i guess after this there's no further marvels adventures um the three of

[00:50:44] them aren't going to be teaming up in the new trip because uh mnemica has left on the other side

[00:50:48] for galaxy it is short lived in that sense yeah this team up because mnemica has been stranded as you

[00:50:53] say in another universe and we have carol and sort of taking on board what mnemica had said to her

[00:51:00] you know you could have tried to use your powers to restart hallas sun yeah and and you know that

[00:51:09] would have gone some way to reconciling what you had done and after destroying the artificial

[00:51:16] intelligence and with the loss of mnemica to this other universe you know because she she does

[00:51:22] sacrifice herself uh carol is trying to get her back into her universe and but she sacked she

[00:51:30] consciously sacrifices herself so almost in memory of that sacrifice uh and that loss she goes to

[00:51:37] how her and flies into their sun to use her powers into reignite it and it seems to work yeah um

[00:51:45] and comes back to move into the old family home in Louisiana yeah which we see Kamala and her

[00:51:53] family helping her move into the house yeah yeah i have a question go on was carol intending to

[00:52:02] give the house to Kamala's family as a replacement for absolutely destroying their own in New Jersey

[00:52:10] but yeah i think i don't think i did really because it just wouldn't have made sense for Kamala

[00:52:15] and her family should be suddenly in the middle of the bayou uh in Louisiana um i was kind of thinking

[00:52:23] but does mnemica already have this so i almost felt it was a little presumptive that carol could

[00:52:30] simply move all her stuff in there and she's like she won't mind she's in another universe i

[00:52:35] probably won't ever see her again you know so i thought it was a little cheeky but when she says

[00:52:41] she's there waiting for mnemica to come home she's taking care of the house while mnemica's gone

[00:52:45] so she's house-sitting exactly exactly but that's what i thought i wondered whether she was allowing

[00:52:50] the cans to live in the house to take care of it while mnemica was gone or maybe while their

[00:52:54] house was being refurbished there's a couple of comments from um Kamala's brother and from

[00:52:58] Khmala herself that it's quite quiet here isn't it you know yeah exactly it makes it seem like

[00:53:02] a world away from from New Jersey big time and it is of course but i'm guessing that saber are going

[00:53:08] to compensate them in some way at nick fury will compensate i'm sure the the calm family

[00:53:16] um to rebuild the house fix back up their home yeah because you can't take Kamala

[00:53:20] out of New Jersey and yeah i didn't think so no but really interestingly um we also get the

[00:53:25] comment from her mom where uh she's telling uh Kamala um it's time now but i'll never let you go

[00:53:32] but i understand that you're an hour hero you have to go off and be able to be a superhero

[00:53:36] you can't effectively you don't have to have a curfew anymore yes you don't have to come back

[00:53:40] at 10 p.m anymore you're a hero i trust you but i'll never let you go exactly and i mean because

[00:53:46] at the start we still have at you know at Kamala saying you're doing your homework aren't you while

[00:53:51] she is doing all the drawing yeah and the sketching in a bedroom so you know again it is that i mean

[00:53:58] but i don't think we've totally lost her mother being motherly too much because in a sense she is

[00:54:06] still at school so but she recognizes it in the same way that and made it with Peter Parker

[00:54:15] watching you know that she needs to do this but that they always say one of the big one of the big

[00:54:20] phrases is you know um wants to become a parent you're always a parent actually you can get any

[00:54:24] other job in the world but once you're a parent you're always a parent so just like her mom she will

[00:54:28] always be there and i hope we will see the cams back in the future we said that when we watched

[00:54:32] the miss marvel tv show that we hoped that in the marbles we'd see this family they actually do

[00:54:36] play quite a central role in here they're not heroes they're not doing anything massive but trying to

[00:54:41] protect them on the space station is really important this moment when they're helping Carol move

[00:54:46] into the house shows that they are also friends of Carol downvers now they're all working together

[00:54:50] at home as well you know because i mean in that fight you did see a few plush cushions being thrown

[00:54:57] because they didn't know what else to do so i yeah i mean it was great having this family

[00:55:03] in the middle of this action movie i think that was also you know one of the great choices

[00:55:09] yeah for this movie exactly can i just check something i know we've only seen this movie once and you

[00:55:14] may have the same question as i do but all of those flukken babies that were being born from goose

[00:55:21] there's a comment from kamala's mother that one of them looks like the cushion from her heaps

[00:55:27] so are they being born because goose ate so much of their furniture and that same what has led him

[00:55:34] to have these younger flukken's like what's called i don't know what's causing but it's just

[00:55:38] the way she calls they're going hang on a second that's my that's my catch and those are my cushions

[00:55:42] i yeah i don't know i mean i'm really hoping that the

[00:55:46] car and family adopts one of the kittens i'm sure that i would love for that to be the case

[00:55:53] flukken on earth i flukken on earth yeah i do what i call it one final joke from the cans as well

[00:55:58] before we move on to the last point and the wrap up i suppose of how it all ends and i do love

[00:56:04] that moment when they're helping to move carol stuff in and and kamala's mom maniba is saying

[00:56:10] to her brother amir this should be a great place for you and your wife to move to

[00:56:15] this would be perfect why don't you get it get a place out here in the countryside and he just

[00:56:18] takes the remote control out of a box that's trying to be sure that was so so good i don't know why

[00:56:24] it just worked really well the actor who plays amir uh sagger shriek is a comedian and that's

[00:56:29] that's his normal job is comedian and actor so i don't i remember during this marvel they were

[00:56:35] saying that he does a lot of improv during the scenes and he's always been a very funny character

[00:56:40] so it felt like a little moment to improv from him it was great that was a great moment i thought

[00:56:44] it was really good fun i think it's something we've all done to our one of our parents if not both

[00:56:50] exactly exactly as you turn them off pause pause mute but that kind of wraps up the main film

[00:56:58] we do have a point five which is our end scene and our mid-credits scene and actually i thought you

[00:57:03] could probably push these one in mid-credits i want an end credits scene because the end of the movie is

[00:57:09] um Kamala Khan living her best life as Nick Fury uh oh absolutely going out and contacting

[00:57:16] case bishop who we last saw in Hawkeye yeah i'm really pleased that Kate Bishop has been pulled

[00:57:21] into the MCU film world from Hawkeye the TV show um it was really good and totally with you

[00:57:28] the sense that this was like that first meeting of Nick Fury and Tony Stark uh was palpable here

[00:57:37] with Kamala Khan in the shadows yeah uh of Kate Bishop's little secret um hideaway an HQ for her

[00:57:47] superhero work and i really really liked how you got you know also the reference that

[00:57:55] Ant-Man has a door so just me and you but i think we should start a team there's another set

[00:58:00] there to do you know what man has a top here so i like this idea of you know and the the building

[00:58:07] of the young Avengers here finally and uh you know we've talked about it on the tv shows if you

[00:58:12] haven't listened to our podcast about those and they have introduced lots and lots of characters that

[00:58:16] are members of the young Avengers they introduce wander's kids who will eventually become members

[00:58:20] of the young Avengers in she whole quick us at the son of Hulk who also becomes a member of the

[00:58:25] young Avengers um of course Kate Bishop from the Hawkeye show yeah and interestingly this is

[00:58:33] another handover from the tv shows to the movies uh in the past we've had the handover from

[00:58:37] the movies to the tv shows where we had Yelena Belova from Black Widow being sent to hunt

[00:58:43] Kate Bishop and the two of them eventually becoming friends that's that was how she came into

[00:58:46] the Hawkeye TV show and they were having the handoff from Kate Bishop being pulled into the movies by

[00:58:51] absolutely Kamala Khan here and i just thought it was a lovely ending really fun ending and i love how

[00:58:57] ungraceful let's say how Kamala Khan is in her version of Nick Fury uh when Kate's going to

[00:59:02] her how did you find out about me as she goes um from this uh from this data pad I have here where

[00:59:06] was that on my couch exactly and the top that she was wearing seemed to be way too long in the arms

[00:59:14] for something the Kamala was wearing yeah really i don't know or maybe i'm just making that up

[00:59:19] but for some reason the silhouette didn't look right it didn't i don't it it looked like she was kind of

[00:59:25] in a coat that was way too big for her like whether she was trying to have some kind of you know spy

[00:59:32] Mac on or what did she literally borrow Nick exactly like but with only having seen the movie once

[00:59:38] I'd need to see that again but I just remember thinking she looks like she's just gotten out of

[00:59:44] bed or something rather you know but I mean i love the whole scene like you say where did you get

[00:59:50] that from from between the sofa cushions of the sofa so yeah really really enjoyed this and

[00:59:58] yeah i'm really excited for young Avengers yeah whenever that makeup could be could be a quite a

[01:00:04] while away but and we don't know whether it's the tv show or or a movie wonder whether it'll be

[01:00:09] connected into the thunderbolts we have the thunderbolts on one side in the young Avengers on the other side

[01:00:13] yeah maybe yeah it's interesting we talked about it on our on our finale podcast for Loki a lot of

[01:00:18] the movies from 2024 have been moved out to 2025 including the captain american movie the thunderbolts

[01:00:24] uh also supposed to be in 2024 so there will be a big pause for the major MCU movies the only

[01:00:30] Marvel movie coming out next year is Deadpool 3 so there'll be a big pause in connections to these

[01:00:36] movies and tv shows um so you wonder how they're gonna play as it's gonna be quite a while before

[01:00:42] uh before we see these characters back in anything at all you know we've got the echo tv show we've

[01:00:46] got agatha cover the chaos coming next year we've got potentially daredevil born again coming

[01:00:51] next year and i let that may move eight because they've stopped production or restarting production

[01:00:55] on that so um so it's interesting uh in the past we've usually had something that we could say

[01:01:02] this is post-credits scene or this end credits scene connects into something we can see in the future

[01:01:06] but right now um with so much being pushed out of 2024 uh don't know when we'll see these characters

[01:01:12] again which is probably the same thing i'd say about the mid credits scene where we have Monica

[01:01:16] Rambo awakening in the other uh the other universe with with beast we mentioned earlier on

[01:01:22] hank mccoi being there in the other universe played by kelsie grammar um talking about the fact

[01:01:27] there is the professor charles exaver in another room um so there's is the x-men that we uh that we

[01:01:32] know and love uh in another universe i guess that's the way they're going to introduce the x-men they

[01:01:37] have been around for many many years just not in our universe and our galaxy and to a good way

[01:01:43] to introduce them and you have monica's mum there and binary yes yeah but not knowing who she is um

[01:01:52] you know so maria Rambo is alive in another universe and doesn't know who monica Rambo is exactly

[01:01:58] that's an interesting one isn't it is an interesting one that has all potential

[01:02:03] manner of implications as to why that may be in fact not having the x-men as well you know

[01:02:10] it has implications um for earth 616 what were the main mcu happens but you know why did we not

[01:02:19] have the x-men and again it could all be leading up to the fact that you know in a sense here

[01:02:25] as well this links to the incursion um and credits or post movie scene from doctor strange

[01:02:35] multiverse of madness yes to us where we see him and clay and she's asking for his help around

[01:02:42] the incursions so we have these threads beginning to form and to connect and pull things through

[01:02:48] I mean in particular uh with the doctor strange multiverse of madness were we have that post

[01:02:55] film scene with doctor strange and clay and who is the daughter of dorma ammu asking for his help

[01:03:04] to deal with incursions yes this is where you have different universes coming through and and joining

[01:03:13] up with other universes effectively a destructive process yeah and yeah it's interesting as

[01:03:19] because you know we did talk about earlier on when we were talking about this split that are about

[01:03:22] and created taking that when we were watching it first it was just a permanent split between

[01:03:26] uh one part of the galaxy to the other joke points actually what's happening here is she split

[01:03:30] into another universe which could cause an incursion as they're called in the comics and as you

[01:03:35] mentioned in doctor strange multiverse madness if an incursion happens one universe is colliding

[01:03:39] with another universe and both will be destroyed or one will be absorbed by the other um not always

[01:03:45] the same every time but if they come in they will destroy it or that we saw even one of those

[01:03:50] inductive in doctor strange the one that had the um the really evil doctor strange on it was a

[01:03:56] a universe that had had an incursion happened on and everything had been destroyed apart from

[01:04:00] doctor strange himself so um so we've seen incursions before a little bit they've been talked to

[01:04:04] it before in doctor strange but here we're seeing uh Monica able to miss the uh the gap between

[01:04:11] the two universes back together so that the incursion doesn't happen which is another interesting

[01:04:16] use of her powers right and i feel that my sort of long standing theory certainly after multiverse

[01:04:21] of madness around incursions and given that we now have a title for movie Avengers Secret Wars uh

[01:04:30] that yes we will have possibly an Avengers Secret Wars we will have the introduction

[01:04:38] of fantastic for there and potentially their big villain doctor do but also secret wars it links

[01:04:45] to the comic uh series of the same name which is all about incursions that ultimately end up with

[01:04:54] they're just being a single universe left uh because all of those universes are knitted together

[01:05:01] to make one universe yeah um as the as the incursions are happening so the incursions themselves

[01:05:07] are led to happen to destroy other universes not the 616 or the ultimate universe where the

[01:05:12] fantastic for are that's what's happening and eventually um as they can't stop all of these

[01:05:17] happening uh they are all knitted together and that's that creates this battle world this one world

[01:05:23] where loads of different universes are all together so um i hope that i hope we explain this uh well

[01:05:29] enough that it's not too confusing but it's interesting that they're referencing all of this stuff

[01:05:32] selling lots and lots of stuff up because in a movie as fast paced as the marbles with lots

[01:05:37] of lots going on um it's really easy to miss how much is actually being told in uh easter eggs

[01:05:44] and in nards to things that are coming and things that have gone on the past as well

[01:05:48] yeah for sure yeah so very cool excellent uh Derek any notes from this movie to fit finishers off

[01:05:58] yes i wanted to jump back to the joker imaginary ram with Kamala trying to give names to uh to

[01:06:04] Monica Rambo um because in the comic books Monica has probably had more titles than anybody else she

[01:06:09] has captain marvel and we know she's captain rambo here so she's almost captain marvel um but

[01:06:14] throughout this kind of game that Kamala kawa is playing during the the movie she just called eight some

[01:06:19] of the names that Monica Rambo has gone by in the comic books like photon and pulsar and spectrum

[01:06:24] as possible titles for Monica Rambo to take on so yeah i do think it was a really good fun

[01:06:30] easter eggs that you can have as uh Kamala is trying to pick up something from the light

[01:06:34] pair as that you could call it because i presume given that she's had that many names that's what

[01:06:38] the writers have gone through a few times yeah absolutely uh yeah i know it was really good yeah for

[01:06:42] sure and the other thing to mention is we do see valkary here as well who uh takes uh king drogge

[01:06:50] and the scrolls uh to new asgard and guessing a little tad little appearance from tessatops and

[01:06:56] the new king of asgard yeah doing a favor for captain marvel yeah absolutely so uh it's

[01:07:00] quite cool to see uh tess tams in here as well yeah definitely i think that's it i think that's it

[01:07:04] for our notes and and our discussion about the episode overall that john do you defend the marvels

[01:07:12] i do i'd give this um four and a half uh cute kitty flurkin monsters out of five

[01:07:20] i i really really like this film um just how it made me feel coming out of the cinema

[01:07:26] i was like buzzing uh it was great fun it was you know had its emotion it had issues to work through

[01:07:35] some fantastic fight scenes it introduced you know uh munching flurkin kittens as a way of escaping

[01:07:44] a space station that is uh rapidly uh sort of breaking apart uh which i never knew i needed um

[01:07:51] you know how many people would have been saved on the titanic if they just had flurkin

[01:07:55] it's been a couple of couple like this well no just then the kittens were the giants now they've

[01:07:58] been the lifeboots well that's true yes yeah of course of course the same analogy of course um and uh

[01:08:05] yeah you know i loved uh a ladner in the end uh i think that was the bit that i you know possibly

[01:08:12] does need a little time to sort of relax into but in the end that whole sort of form of

[01:08:19] hating it you know coming from Kamala and her her family uh really pervaded through this

[01:08:26] and connected with carol and i'm on okay even though like on a ladner it was almost there

[01:08:33] discomfort at what was happening uh compared to Kamala's sort of joy and joining in with everything

[01:08:41] that made that really special and i thought the fight sequence uh where they're all shifting

[01:08:47] in space and as they use their powers was just absolutely phenomenally good uh really enjoyed that

[01:08:55] um i think again connecting into future movies uh new you know new avengers and of course

[01:09:06] X-Men and yeah really important glad to start seeing these threads um who would have thought we'd

[01:09:12] see it here yeah exactly and the way we do another universe i love the universe so i really just

[01:09:18] felt this was a great movie almost standalone in a sense even though i'm saying there's all these

[01:09:24] connections um i i just really loved all of the the performances i mean i think i think iman

[01:09:31] Vidalani is absolutely fantastic uh she is so so good and brings kind of the heart and soul

[01:09:39] of this movie i think with the head and i mean so does carol and moniker but in different ways but

[01:09:45] i think the the the fun the lightness um was just brought by uh Kamala can't and her family and

[01:09:54] i'm so glad that her family were interwoven it feels to me from having having watched Miss Marvel and

[01:10:00] now this you know in some respects you want to keep that association of the two it's like they

[01:10:08] there needs to be both Kamala doing her own thing absolutely but it always needs to touch

[01:10:15] base back with um her family it's in the same vein as spider man i don't think that's what makes

[01:10:22] it so powerful and great to see here uh so yeah for me uh four and a half cute flurkin kitty monsters

[01:10:30] else of five fantastic Derek do you defend the marvels i really do and i'll go a step further

[01:10:37] than you john if this movie didn't have a man valani in it it would be completely different

[01:10:44] and i'm not even sure i would i would get above the three out of five for me i think it goes

[01:10:49] over four and close to five it is so much fun it is really enjoyable she's not the only thing

[01:10:55] that's important but her interplay with all of the characters and fun enjoy that she brings to

[01:11:00] the scenes that she's in really give her that extra oof to make it a really enjoyable not out the

[01:11:05] cinema i haven't laughed this much in the cinema for quite a while though it was really really

[01:11:10] enjoyable um there's so many fun sequences they as you say that the flurkin sequence is really good

[01:11:16] the way they've introduced the fighting between the three of them at changing parades made me

[01:11:21] almost wish that this was a permanent situation that we would have always captain marvel

[01:11:25] spectrum and and miss marvel able to switch parades across the galaxy every time they use the

[01:11:31] parades at exactly the same time you know they have some kind of synchronization watches that

[01:11:35] they keep on them at all times where they go oh Kamala's using her parades right now i can't use

[01:11:40] them for another ten seconds you know or i can and we can interchange between each other you can

[01:11:45] I wish i kind of wish that could could stay forever because it worked so well bus then the idea

[01:11:52] that they are able to support each other that they're able to combine their parades at the end

[01:11:57] one for malaca to be able to seal that riff between the two universes and secondly for

[01:12:02] captain marvel to take inspiration from the other two with their parades combined to reignite

[01:12:07] the sun so while not technically combine their parades combining the advice and the support

[01:12:13] that she's getting from the other two i thought was a really really great way to close out this

[01:12:17] movie but wow did it go at a pace it was just flying by me so quickly and we were able to

[01:12:24] send him in about an hour and forty minutes including ads i was shocked you know it just seemed

[01:12:30] to go by so fast so quickly but that's what you need sometimes yeah you could have added an extra

[01:12:35] error to this movie explaining all the little details and putting in all the other connections

[01:12:40] adding in other characters spending time sitting down chatting but they wanted to do this movie

[01:12:44] fast they wanted to leave you breathless by the end and i think they did a great job i think

[01:12:49] it was really good fun a really good action comedy one like i haven't seen since the 80s so uh

[01:12:53] great fun excellent stuff will we hear what some of our fellow defenders say about the movie jump

[01:12:59] yes absolutely let us get into our feedback section first up we have an email in from coffee and vodka

[01:13:05] who says greetings fellow list defenders went into this expecting fun as nothing says fun like a

[01:13:10] 90 minute runtime like an ac's callback and it was linear simple understandable yet a testable

[01:13:16] villain character conflict with resolution a superhero team up and almost everything tied in a neat

[01:13:22] bow in the end as an expected Kamala made a dude's rug out of herself really tying the movie together

[01:13:27] what i hadn't expected was this more accessible and welcome version of carol nicks served the

[01:13:32] plot well by staying out of the way and we've got mutants specifically one long missed and for

[01:13:37] me best version of every favorite blue beastie what's not to like neither the brusest gem in the MCU

[01:13:43] got that nor the dimest but solid entertainment the single issue i have with the movie is their

[01:13:48] non revisit the water planet is our singing prince ruling over a desert planet now four flocks

[01:13:54] of full flurkins bundled bangles and tossed salads and scrambled eggs out of five peace and take

[01:14:00] care coffee and vodka p.s could secret invasion when passed through the filter of this movie with

[01:14:06] scrolls on the planets be considered an alternate timeline adventure that's an interesting question

[01:14:11] copy of like i don't think so think secret invasion does take place because and we had that mentioned

[01:14:16] from tailos of emperor drogue on the other planet with the other colony of scrolls that your options

[01:14:22] are either you come to earth or you go to his colony which we see here emperor drogue is in

[01:14:27] cooperation with the crease so there's a lot of scrolls that may not want to cooperate with the

[01:14:31] with the tree after the war that's happened so they would naturally choose to go to earth so actually

[01:14:35] I think it expands on what happened there with the secret invasion yeah definitely i would say is

[01:14:40] in the same timeline for sure yeah yeah yeah and but as well coffee and vodka i kind of suspect

[01:14:47] that are singing prince yes he could be ruling over a desert planet but i think he will go to their

[01:14:57] highly valued national treasure which is a lamp and probably give it a rub in order to get

[01:15:05] a wish from a genie and we want our oceans back maybe or else it had to be in a constant feed

[01:15:16] and then a carol has sorted out the crea home world maybe she stopped that feed before turned

[01:15:21] into a desert planet like a lot of water would have to travel from an entire planet it would but i

[01:15:26] mean i guess that was still going on it wasn't instantaneous so me you know and two coffee and vodka

[01:15:31] serious point at the end of the day these two and time jump kind of holes were not filled back

[01:15:39] and i don't know whether it's like right ocean is full now in howl at therefore it closes back up

[01:15:45] i think and you would need to somehow go and close them back up uh presumably we can do that

[01:15:52] in a way both bangles yeah presumably with the bangles maybe who knows but yeah we don't see that

[01:15:58] and i mean possibly he is on a desert world because it would still be going but it would take a while

[01:16:04] let's hope that and yeah i guess that is the thing with quick paced shorts run times that sometimes

[01:16:10] not everything is covered off but it also in a sense probably doesn't need to be um i guess

[01:16:18] and if not in this movie it will be done at some other point in time maybe if we ever revisit a

[01:16:25] latina if we ever go back to the dancing singing planet uh in the future that's where they bring

[01:16:30] kate k bishop um kamehla wants to show where the universe and takes her off to the dancing singing

[01:16:35] planet maybe that's the way for sure but completely agree with all your other points as well i

[01:16:40] just think this was really good um sort of entertainment uh for me yeah i can definitely see

[01:16:45] us watching uh miss marvel again and playing this directly afterwards uh the next time uh we we

[01:16:50] run through the whole show uh speaking of things that are sometimes missed uh the movies wouldn't

[01:16:53] mention us uh in uh in the discussion on the episode here but i did notice that the end of the movie

[01:16:59] even though effectively the goal was to guess kamehla both bangles um where they took out our band

[01:17:06] and got both bangles back and she puts the two of the man from the point that kamehla puts the

[01:17:10] two of the man to the end of the movie i don't think you see both of the fun her arms she's back

[01:17:14] to just one when she's talking with her family again which is always a bit of a surprise um yeah i

[01:17:19] guess so i mean i i think the thing is though from kamehla's side that bangle that she had was

[01:17:26] from her nana yes so there's something special that and she may feel i don't need the two it

[01:17:31] that doesn't you know i have these powers it could be that she has the other cosmic band ready

[01:17:37] in case she needs to really you know further power up i think the other interesting thing

[01:17:42] we do see her go into and get the gigantic hand as well yes we do yeah this point to bring back

[01:17:51] carol and the bangles after bar den has killed herself and um moniker has been lost to the other

[01:17:59] universe but there that's the only time we see her use her sort of gigantic power uh by

[01:18:06] creating a gigantic hand yeah in the movie here that was quite cool it's much much more like her

[01:18:10] pair is in the colored books so good stuff over on facebook we have a bit of feedback as well done

[01:18:14] yes uh first up philipp guisual florencio who says marvel needs to put iman valani in all shows films

[01:18:22] headquarters mcdonalds etc i've recently rewatched captain marvel and i enjoyed it more than when

[01:18:28] i watched it in 2019 but the main issue of captain marvel so far was that she was too tough

[01:18:35] iman's kamaala has such a nice vibe and her charisma is so intense that even captain marvel

[01:18:41] feels charismatic in this one as well also what was that post credit scene has marvel really hit the

[01:18:48] in case of trouble press this button as i said in the Loki post i'm feeling cautiously optimistic

[01:18:54] well yeah exactly i think here these two post movie scenes are new avengers and the

[01:19:06] the x-men being introduced into the mc absolutely we knew the x-men was coming for a couple of

[01:19:11] years since since marvel got the rights back from fox of course um but i don't think it's an

[01:19:17] case of trouble press this button um type of situation for marvel it's a great way of introducing

[01:19:22] the x-men if you think about it because then you can have established x-men already out there

[01:19:27] you don't have to start out with everybody as x-men babies you know you can say wolverine is already

[01:19:33] 30 40 a hundred years old at like he is in the comics when he joins the x-men you don't have to

[01:19:38] explain why he hasn't appeared throughout the history of the mc unit you can say those characters

[01:19:44] all of the x-men existed another universe and now you're gonna bring the two together

[01:19:48] and that's what i think is gonna happen and i think the other thing as well you know we did kind of

[01:19:51] say well the x-men are in that that universe and not so much in the current one but in

[01:19:58] msm marvel we do hear that Kamala is a mutant and that is what is called out that yes that she

[01:20:04] has a mutation it she has a mutation yeah and so and it's just really that the x-men haven't formed

[01:20:11] potentially because this isn't widely understood and in terms of the powers and why they

[01:20:19] have them and it's been from that traditional superhero you know bite of a spider or an experiment

[01:20:28] gone wrong or what a half you so you know actually the hint of mutants has us being laid for the mc

[01:20:38] you with msm marvel yes because as you can see she is able to use her powers as you mentioned

[01:20:42] the growing of the of the massive light hand without the bangle which we thought originally the

[01:20:46] first couple of episodes of the show you thought the bangle were giving her the powers but actually

[01:20:50] she has the powers within her as a mutant so yeah so um yeah good stuff for leap thanks so much

[01:20:57] for the feedback absolutely and finally yes Doug Green also says i loved it i agree with

[01:21:03] philippe iman is adorable charming and perfect for the part of Kamala yeah she does just softens

[01:21:11] everything around her and makes it so much fun and she softens it she heightens it and she

[01:21:17] infuses it with fun like you say you know it she is just so good here and it's such a casting

[01:21:23] choice for me and it's kind of you know if it's the alchemy of casting they've just hit upon

[01:21:32] a pure nuggets of green absolutely and then apparently just so much fun on set she is she's just

[01:21:40] geeking out of it marvel with the director near the costa great fun on set she a great fun with

[01:21:45] brylarson as well apparently brylarson was the first person to call her to congratulate her and

[01:21:49] getting the role of of msm marvel before anybody else called her from the mcu it was a call directly

[01:21:56] from brylarson because she's so excited for her to join this world so iman valedicts be great

[01:22:02] i can't waste to see her being able to do a bit of press for this movie as well then as you

[01:22:07] are day two to time square at about two minutes past midnight when the actors try to finish just

[01:22:12] to go and say hello to everybody that was watching the marvels in the cinema so she's as excited

[01:22:16] as everybody else but just hasn't been able to talk about it so i want to see all these guys doing

[01:22:20] the press tour being able to talk about them did you see some of the press tour for this for

[01:22:24] the movie jump no no i didn't really catch it to be honest because one of the things i really

[01:22:28] liked was they were leading into the flakens and the press tour they had and the kitten actor who

[01:22:35] was playing goose answering questions for the movie and at the premiere they also had a kitten cafe

[01:22:41] live where you could go and play with with the kids very cute the only thing i did see was that

[01:22:46] this new sphere thing in vegas had goose projected on onto its surface which was pretty cute you

[01:22:55] have the laser dot there following around and sort of an explosion of tentacles being sort of

[01:23:02] shown on this sphere in vegas so i thought that was really good at a so cool very cool excellent stuff

[01:23:08] that's it for our coverage of the marvels thanks so much for those of you who are able to get your

[01:23:12] feedback in hope you enjoyed the marvels as much as we did but we have covered loads of other stuff

[01:23:16] on the podcasting case there's something else that might tickle your fancy as well we've just

[01:23:19] finished covering marvels low key season two all six parts of that show at finishing off this week

[01:23:25] and will be back in the multiverse with marbles what if season two coming up in December

[01:23:30] the animated second season of that show really look forward to seeing what stories they'll

[01:23:35] cover in the second season of what if and though as i mentioned earlier on there will only be one

[01:23:39] MCU movie in 2024 Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman coming to the MCU in Deadpool 3 as the rest of the

[01:23:46] MCU movies have all moved to 2024 including captain america brave new world blade and the thunderbolts

[01:23:51] all moving into 2025 from 2024 and our next live action MCU show will be the tv show

[01:24:00] echo with all episodes releasing on the 10th of January yeah 2024 five episodes last show

[01:24:08] they recently did the premiere um of they recently did a screening of the first couple of episodes

[01:24:14] of the tv show echo but all five episodes coming out on the 10th of January 2024 and we just

[01:24:19] seen the trailer for it last week and really cool trailer yeah very much like the Netflix

[01:24:25] defenders show which is where we started out with our defenders podcast as well

[01:24:29] for our marvel podcasts so we have a lot of affinity with with those Netflix at their level and

[01:24:34] defenders shows so very interested to see what they do with echo yeah excellent stuff great stuff

[01:24:40] lots of other stuff if you want to subscribe to the podcast on tvpodcastindustries.com you get

[01:24:45] access to all the other shows that we're covering things like gen v the boys star wars zoka and of course

[01:24:51] all the marvel tv shows including secretivation miss marvel and wonderful yeah and we also covered

[01:24:57] good omens as well if you like a bit of that as well yeah something completely different exactly great

[01:25:03] stuff thanks so much for joining us tati again next time yeah fellow defenders thank you for joining

[01:25:07] us for the movie podcast and going into the marvels until next time keep watching keep listening and

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