The Marvels 2023 Movie Review

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[00:00:28] Welcome back fellow defenders to Movies on TV Podcast Industries. This time we're talking about The Marvels,

[00:00:33] the 34th movie in the MCU. I'm one of your host Derek. Hello there fellow defenders, I am your other

[00:00:40] host John. Yes, welcome to The Movies Podcasts and the Marvels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Finally back

[00:00:47] at the cinema after guarding the Galaxy Volume 3, I think it was the last MCU movie and at Manquantamania

[00:00:53] this year. Yeah, at least for the MCU. Yes. Yeah. At this time with three major characters,

[00:00:58] plastic-cury from the MCU. We've got Captain Marvel, Miss Marvel and Spectrum I guess is her

[00:01:05] legitimate name but there is a good joke in here about the fact that Monica Rambo doesn't really

[00:01:09] have a superhero name. No, and I love that Kamala Khan is trying to figure out what her name would

[00:01:15] be. Of course. We get lots of suggestions throughout the course of the movie. Yeah. This was great.

[00:01:22] It was great being back to see such a fun movie but also just really fast-paced,

[00:01:29] really action-packed. Absolutely. No hanging around. I guess as well it really

[00:01:36] felt like that because we finished off Season 2 of Loki where that format of TV took a long time

[00:01:45] to get to the final episode in my mind and a lot of it. Techno, talk and a lot of exposition.

[00:01:55] This was really good. A fast-paced movie and I just love that it drew in these three characters

[00:02:03] and their worlds with Monica Rambo, Carol Danvers and her beef with the cream as well as Kamala

[00:02:11] and her family and just her youthful exuberance. Absolutely. It was brilliant. It was really good.

[00:02:19] Really good fun, we are going to of course talk about the movie in spoiler-filled details if you

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[00:04:45] let's get into the podcast a bit the marvels definitely Derek what are some of the movie details

[00:04:52] well the movie was directed by a near to Costa interestingly and this is probably a bit shocking

[00:04:57] for anybody who doesn't know her previous work. Most recently she was a writer and director for

[00:05:01] the candy man reboot in 2021. Well actually I think the term is a recall so it kind of follows on

[00:05:06] from the previous movies bush kind of reboots the universe I guess. It's a really good horror movie

[00:05:13] but interesting that's her to previous major credits before coming into this marvels movie.

[00:05:19] Yeah good stuff moving from horror into action comedy and superhero movies good good move

[00:05:27] yeah and she's also one of the writers on the movie need a cost of rote with Megan McDonald

[00:05:31] and Alyssa Karasik. Megan wrote two episodes of one division and Alyssa Karasik wrote the second

[00:05:37] episode of Loki season one as well so they have dipped their toes into the Disney plus MCU as well

[00:05:42] so bringing that knowledge with them to the marvels which makes a lot of sense given where we've

[00:05:48] got a lot of the characters from of course Miss Marvel coming from Disney plus and Monica Rambo

[00:05:53] mostly seen in one division yeah absolutely good stuff. Excellent John would you like to give us

[00:05:58] your synopsis for the marvels or would you like to sing it? I don't know I think I might speak it

[00:06:07] despite what we got from the singing planet of a ladner. I think I'm bilingual in this.

[00:06:13] Okay good stuff good stuff well I guess do want to give us your regular synopsis for the marvels

[00:06:19] job. Sure the collapse of the supreme intelligence leads to a civil war among the kree species in

[00:06:25] their homeworld of Hala the conflict renders the planet barren as it loses its air water and

[00:06:30] their son begins to die. Dauben the new leader of the kree receives one half of the quantum

[00:06:36] bands of which Kamala Khan has the other half. Dauben harnesses the power of the band and

[00:06:41] pers it with her staff the universal weapon to terracotta jump point in space with the aim of

[00:06:48] stripping the resources required from planets linked to the annihilator aka Carol Danvers

[00:06:55] to repair her homeworld of Hala the resulting anomaly is discovered by the strategic aerospace

[00:07:00] biophysics and exo-linguistic response or saber. Meanwhile Nick Fury now residing at the Saber

[00:07:07] Space Station calls in Carol Danvers and Monica Rambo to investigate a joint point anomaly near

[00:07:13] the space station when Rambo touches it she Danvers and Kamala Khan switch places through teleportation

[00:07:20] the switching causes the three to fight each other's kree enemies leaving the car's house destroyed

[00:07:26] in their wake. As the three women return to their original places Fury and Rambo visit Kamala

[00:07:32] Khan on earth as Kamala eagerly demonstrates her powers she switches places with Danvers

[00:07:39] the group summarises that the light based powers of Danvers Rambo and Khan are linked through quantum

[00:07:44] entanglement and that they switch places when any of them use their powers at the same time

[00:07:50] the three join up at a scroll refugee colony on the planet Tarnaxe where talks with the kree

[00:07:56] and about resettlement have dissolved. Darben rips open another jump point which siphons

[00:08:02] the atmosphere of Tarnaxe into Hala to try and restore its air after a hasty effort to

[00:08:07] evacuate the colony Danvers Rambo and Khan form a team informally referred to by Khan as the Marvels

[00:08:16] Danvers informs the others of the legend that the quantum bands had been used to create joint

[00:08:20] point transportation network the three became entangled due to their mutual contact with its energy

[00:08:26] when Darben disrupted it. The Darben's repeated rupturing of jump points causing instability

[00:08:34] to the network and endangering the universe. Darben reaches the planet Aladna where she

[00:08:40] tears open a joint point to draw the ocean water into Hala. Her final plan is to take the energy

[00:08:46] of Earth's Sun to restore that of Hala. The marvels fight and subdued Darben but she steals

[00:08:52] Khan's band and uses both bracelets in conjunction to tear open another hole in space.

[00:08:58] The effort in doing so destroys Darben and leaves behind an opening into the multiverse.

[00:09:05] After Khan reclaims the bands she and Danvers use their combined powers to energize Rambo,

[00:09:11] allowing her to close the hole from the other side but leaving her stranded in the process

[00:09:16] in the other universe. Danvers flies into Hala's Sun and uses her power to restore it.

[00:09:22] The short-lived team up with Danvers and Rambo inspires Khan to seek out other heroes

[00:09:27] and form a new group, starting with Kate Bishop. In a mid-credits scene Monica Rambo awakens

[00:09:34] in a parallel universe where she is greeted by an alternate version of her mother Maria

[00:09:40] and the mutant tank McCoy aka Beast of the X-Men. Wow, the introduction of the X-Men

[00:09:49] finally here in the marvels. Absolutely that was a nice surprise.

[00:09:56] That's a real strength scene. Yeah. And interestingly, Beast still at least voiced by

[00:10:00] Kelsey Grammer. It looked like a very different body type than he had in the X-Men movies when

[00:10:05] he appeared before as Beast but what an interesting choice to have him in there. Yes, the intellectual

[00:10:10] phrase of crane is the beast. The intellectual beast? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was really

[00:10:17] surprised that it was Kelsey Grammer voicing it but really pleased because

[00:10:21] a gosh, it takes me back to the early Nazis with that character coming in and played by Kelsey Grammer.

[00:10:28] Yeah, absolutely. And he also references that there is a Charles Xavier here as well.

[00:10:32] Yeah, absolutely. So hopefully we'll be seeing Charles Xavier back in the X-Men

[00:10:37] wherever that comes right but of course that is the post-credits scene for the movie. We'll

[00:10:40] be talking about everything to do with the movie probably including that again as we get closer

[00:10:44] towards towards the end of the movie but what we normally do is pick out our major points

[00:10:48] from the movie to discuss them hopefully covering off everything we want to talk about

[00:10:52] within the marvels. Let's start out with the whole reason for this movie existed really. The master

[00:10:57] plan of Darabén the new leader of the Cree. So it looks like Darabén has taken over after

[00:11:03] the AI leader of the Cree was destroyed by Carol Danvers in the first Captain Marvel movie, right?

[00:11:09] Yeah. That was played by Annette Benning. The old leader? Yeah, artificial intelligence.

[00:11:13] Yeah, and I'm like it was kind of interesting this. I actually the part I really enjoyed about

[00:11:21] this was just the fact that Carol Danvers was to the Cree known as the Annihilator. You know,

[00:11:27] and you see it throughout the movie with her saying I hate that name but a name that for the Cree

[00:11:35] is absolutely meaningful so I kind of like that discomfort that was apparent with Carol Danvers

[00:11:41] by being called that because we're coming in to this movie not really a thinking Carol Danvers

[00:11:47] as being some kind of anti hero but it's just like all the perspective and I thought that was

[00:11:51] done really well because in trying to free them to do something good she ultimately unleashed

[00:11:58] this civil war which ripped apart the Cree Empire with you know the technology that they have

[00:12:06] and seemingly had destroyed their home planet of Hala. And so you know you see kind of flashbacks

[00:12:13] to Carol Danvers coming in and taking out the artificial intelligence seeing Darben

[00:12:21] being sort of knocked to the ground by Carol Danvers. And you can you got the sense from Darben that

[00:12:27] sort of long standing resentment, the vengeance here and to that plan it's that the different planets

[00:12:37] were she is trying to restore her planet Hala in terms of a breathable atmosphere and were she's

[00:12:44] trying to sort of have the oceans brought back and water returned to Hala as well as then to fix

[00:12:52] their dying sun which is effectively making her planets on inhabitable. And she's targeting

[00:13:01] associations or planets directly in particular with Earth at the end and they have direct

[00:13:08] connections to the annihilation. Well every one of them yeah I suppose you know interestingly this

[00:13:13] kind of does feed off secret invasion we learned in that TV show hopefully you're not spoiling anything

[00:13:18] if you haven't watched that but we learned in that TV show that Nick Fury and Carol Danvers had made

[00:13:23] a promise that they would find a new planet for the scroll who were living on Earth. Here we have

[00:13:27] a planet where some of the scrolls are living and where Carol Danvers has put them. And as the whole

[00:13:34] story feeds it through it the whole movie like we do get this initially called out as she is

[00:13:40] the annihilator and then the story kind of feeds out across the movie what we find out that because

[00:13:44] of what Carol Danvers has done to the Cree home world she feels totally responsibility for that so

[00:13:48] that is now her new purpose it's the reason why she hasn't gone back yet to help save the scrolls

[00:13:53] she has been protecting this planet that has scroll on it and that's why Darben targets that one

[00:13:59] first because it does have a direct connection is one of the reasons why she targets it first

[00:14:02] as a direct connection to Carol Danvers. Yeah and this also has that connection to secret invasion

[00:14:08] where this is the other grouping of scroll that weren't on Earth and were trying to form a new

[00:14:18] community of scroll on another planet and aided by Carol Danvers with I think Emperor Drow

[00:14:26] so you see him here with his crown on and yeah like I really kind of enjoyed just like simplicity

[00:14:34] of Darben's role in this movie I thought it was really good and I think just linking into

[00:14:43] this history of what Carol Danvers had done like you absolutely very quickly got

[00:14:49] you know her motivation and I think that's to the credit of this movie at an hour and a half

[00:14:54] it gave you what you needed to know for the movie. It was very efficient yeah but it didn't

[00:15:00] need to do anything else and it really took me back to you know kind of 80s movies that really

[00:15:05] 100% yeah you know standalone did their thing and not having to over complicate it or even

[00:15:13] you know sometimes the over complication can you know link into having to connect these movies

[00:15:19] with one another and now to the TV shows on Disney Plus but this felt connected but also really

[00:15:28] standalone and really quick. Yeah I do I do wonder for people who haven't watched all the TV shows

[00:15:32] was a bit too quick at times they do glass over a lot of things bringing everybody in really quickly

[00:15:37] I think it worked really well it didn't dwell on a lot of things but as we as you can see even from

[00:15:42] this first point there's so many connections in here to things that we've seen in secret invasion

[00:15:48] of course with Monica Rambo and the relationship with Carol Danvers why Carol Danvers didn't come

[00:15:53] back all those years that Monica Rambo was growing up with Ed or mother that's all discussed which

[00:15:57] will talk about in a second with the other characters but they're all in there it's all in there

[00:16:02] it's all available if you want to look for it but it doesn't it isn't necessary to enjoy the movie

[00:16:07] so they don't dwell too much on it but I think the reference to an ex-action movie is really accurate

[00:16:12] that's exactly what it feels like here this it just moves really fast it's not dwelling on anything

[00:16:17] it's setting up your bad guy here Darben and then it's going to set up the heroes that will take

[00:16:21] out Darben that's that is the purpose of the movie and it runs right through as quickly as it can

[00:16:27] yeah and the actor Zoe Ashton who plays Darben linked and is the partner to Loki

[00:16:34] Tom Hiddleston so yeah kind of coming off the back of the end of season two of Loki

[00:16:40] and it's a big weekend for them with the finale of Loki and the premiere of the Marvels and

[00:16:44] one weekend for their household absolutely but no real kind of connection to Loki season two from what

[00:16:51] I could see you know it is primarily through one division with Monaco Rambo to Miss Marvel

[00:16:58] with Kamala Khan and then Carol Danvers to the other movies and then a little bit of secret

[00:17:03] invasion yeah exactly so again you know it's very difficult to align all these things together

[00:17:08] you know making a movie takes much longer in most senses than making the TV shows although

[00:17:12] the Marvel TV shows do take a long time add a lot of money to make as well but but lining them up

[00:17:17] to make sure the people have seen the shows and the movies in the right order is always a difficulty

[00:17:22] so I think they've avoided that quite well here but it is there if you want to go back and watch

[00:17:26] the movies and go back and watch the TV shows that they're connected to you'll pick up other stuff

[00:17:30] particularly within this overarching storyline within Darben yeah absolutely actually move on

[00:17:36] to our second point getting the band or bands together again absolutely absolutely really really

[00:17:45] enjoyed the efficiency with which they bring in each of these characters and the fun which how

[00:17:50] they bring out all these characters in we start out the movie with Kamala Khan and they're definitely

[00:17:54] taking references from how she was handled in Miss Marvel and we see Kamala drawing images of

[00:18:00] herself and Carol Danvers together being besties you know this is her dream member of the Avengers

[00:18:06] the one that she loves most of all of the Avengers and we have that animated sequence almost of the two

[00:18:11] of them being best friends and how they're they're meeting should go together I thought that was

[00:18:15] great and really a man Valani once again an absolute showstopper she's just tearing up the scenery

[00:18:22] every time she's on screen as this really excitable really happy brand new hero who's got her

[00:18:28] powers and she's finally getting the notice of people like Nick Fury people like Carol Danvers

[00:18:33] you know people are finally seeing who she is and she is so excited to work with them all

[00:18:38] I loved it the energy that she brings is just superb I mean I think Imann Valani is just superb

[00:18:48] she's treasure like she really is and I just think the whole sort of ethos of this character is so

[00:18:57] well portrayed by her and just the energy the buzz and in a sense almost like youthful naivety as

[00:19:05] well you know an excitement about being involved is just superb and I just loved how you know when

[00:19:12] she first meets Nick Fury even is you know whatever about Carol Danvers she's kind of like a

[00:19:17] unique fury you know and as you say gradually he sees her pulling her weight but being involved working

[00:19:24] with Rambo and with Carol and he sees her value absolutely you know you know just to put it into

[00:19:32] that kind of I guess more objective thing of you know Nick Fury agent of Saber I guess and

[00:19:40] Shields and Sword and all these different things every agent of sword I have to say that it's never

[00:19:46] involved in sword no okay but equally I do think that you know her family as well how is really

[00:19:55] good billing here and I absolutely loved having her mom dad and brother back here as well

[00:20:03] you know we didn't get to see any of her friends from the TV show but I think again for efficiency

[00:20:09] they're just you know the focusing on the family and again I love her mother I just love

[00:20:15] the mother-ness of her speaking with Kamala her daughter I love the fact that you know one of the

[00:20:23] fights you see her mom jumping to protect her husband as well against one of the Cree soldiers

[00:20:30] that they're fighting yeah and it was just really really good and I tell her well they worked

[00:20:36] together during the series and we said you know that while Ananvalani is absolutely the center of

[00:20:42] that show her family and the supporters and how they're written around her were really important

[00:20:47] to making the success of Miss Marble Wyatt was such a good show so bringing them in here felt

[00:20:52] really important to have them still involved in her and her life as she kind of moves on towards

[00:20:57] the end of the movie we do have a much more growth for Kamala in this movie as she starts to become

[00:21:02] more of a superhero but having them there beside her still having that relationship with her brother

[00:21:06] where while he loves her of course he's gonna he's gonna make some jokes that her expense as well

[00:21:11] that's great fun but that opening moment where we have the post credits scene from Miss Marble where

[00:21:16] Carol Dammers suddenly appears in her house and Kamala is thrown into space replacing Manaka

[00:21:21] Rambo and she suddenly appears at the space station in front of the fury going in space yeah

[00:21:26] and and suddenly season if you're in goes is this a test to get into the event oh my god this is

[00:21:31] awesome yes and so and it's also the shock of her mom as Carol Dammers comes down the stairs

[00:21:37] in in her house and it's just like I just loved all of this yeah I thought it was so well played

[00:21:44] and I know we'll get to it a little bit later in this point but just the whole switching of the

[00:21:49] hours and some of the footage was phenomenal and well I loved seeing Kamala and her family here again

[00:21:57] I actually just felt they really they brought that heart and I think so did Manaka Rambo as

[00:22:04] well in terms of you know the baggage that needed to be unpacked with Carol but also still you

[00:22:10] know that emotional loss you know a different emotional beats from Manaka Rambo that's what brought

[00:22:16] here so really two different kind of emotional beats that were brought together and through this

[00:22:24] this partnership yeah the marvels being created you know this band and I thought was really good

[00:22:30] and you know importantly around Kamala is that cosmic band that she got from her Nana

[00:22:37] and is the same as the one found by Dar Ben on that planet and is being used to open up

[00:22:45] these jump points that we have seen in Guardians of the Galaxy these hexagonal jump points

[00:22:51] in order to effectively pull whatever is needed by Halla from from one planet to Halla

[00:22:59] yeah so they're kind of restocks the atmosphere or the oceans and all that with the water

[00:23:05] and the air and stuff yeah it's a really interesting idea isn't it because we've seen the jump

[00:23:08] points as you say in Guardians of the Galaxy most often we saw them in Captain Marvel as well but

[00:23:13] it's a really interesting idea because effectively she's opening up a hole in them pulling things

[00:23:17] through and leaving them open for a long time whereas in the past we've seen people jump through

[00:23:21] them and then the jump point closes behind the ship effectively so this is the damage that she's

[00:23:26] doing when she's opening up these holes and allowing them to stay open for too long it's causing

[00:23:32] these kind of rips in the galaxy so that's a really interesting idea and you did mention that none

[00:23:38] of the friends appeared in the movie but I do like there is a moment where Kamala's in the middle

[00:23:42] of a fight and goes my god and Nikkiya's mind would be blown if she saw me doing that and Nikkiya

[00:23:48] is one of her best friends in the TV show so she does call it out so again you know having these

[00:23:52] characters so recently from the Miss Marvel TV show moving into the movies you know they probably

[00:23:57] bottle along with them you know a lot of their ideas and the characterization that they brought to

[00:24:02] the TV show and that is still the same heath that they have the TV show it's not like they moved

[00:24:06] into it into a different place so I love that they kept all of that so it feels like almost

[00:24:11] for the first time this movie is a direct sequel to Miss Marvel yeah you could watch

[00:24:16] Miss Marvel and then turn this on directly afterwards to could see the continuation of the story

[00:24:20] and I think like you say you know the growth that she has mean she really steps up in this partnership

[00:24:26] and actually is the one trying to kind of bring them together because she can sense the you know

[00:24:32] the unresolved issues between Carol and Monica but equally there's growth for her family who end up

[00:24:40] on the Saber space station as well with Nick Fury interestingly that Saber acronym wow is it

[00:24:48] a mouthful it doesn't quite feel right to me but nonetheless it is what it is and I'm sure it's

[00:24:55] from the comics well a little call back to the ages of shield TV show when agent Colton is telling

[00:25:02] Grant Ward the acronym for shield and ask some what it means and he goes I think somebody

[00:25:07] was really trying to spell out the word shield in the same way somebody was trying to spell out the

[00:25:11] words Saber here with their words that's how it worked in Marvel as well they start out with the

[00:25:15] yet with the name the acronym and then add some words that kind of get close to what they are

[00:25:20] and that's Monica that's where she's working now she had in the past worked for sword

[00:25:24] back in one division she's now working at in space with Nick Fury using her powers to help them

[00:25:30] develop the space station improve the space station so that they can track these threats from

[00:25:35] other galaxies yeah and this is I suppose again tying in with secret invasion the idea

[00:25:41] of from Nick Fury is that he wasn't able to prevent the attack from Thanos so the reason why he's

[00:25:46] out here on the space station is because he's looking for ways to protect the earth from extraterrestrial

[00:25:52] threats so yeah this is his big plan and Monica's working with him yeah and here is where they first

[00:25:57] spot this anomaly within the jump points the jump point closest to earth yeah and have

[00:26:05] Monica go out to investigate it yeah yeah and I will say you know after I haven't watched

[00:26:11] Captain Marvel recently we saw it a bit in a couple of weeks ago um you know I think there is

[00:26:15] a little emotional moment there when you hear Nick talking to Carol Danvers and he brings in Monica

[00:26:22] to the conversation and effectively Carol Danvers is hearing the voice of the adult Monica Rambo

[00:26:28] for the first time because Monica disappeared in the snap so all that time that Captain Marvel

[00:26:32] was working with the Avengers on earth she wouldn't have been there Monica was already gone so this

[00:26:37] is the first time Carol is connecting with effectively her niece of their best friends daughter and

[00:26:43] in Captain Marvel she's just a young girl exactly yeah yeah this was really good and I like this

[00:26:49] baggage you know it was Monica's all were have you been Carol and effectively we find out she's been

[00:26:55] fighting her own demons in a sense out on her own in her spaceship both in terms of trying to find

[00:27:05] and help the scroll that have been displaced by the Cree but also weighing heavily on it is

[00:27:11] what she created on Hallow with the Cree Civil War and she wants to fix all of these things and until

[00:27:18] that's done she feels she needs to be out in space to help both the Cree and the scroll she's

[00:27:26] focused on the scroll because the Cree in effect don't want her help because they see her as

[00:27:32] the destroyer the annihilator so you know I like the fact that there's kind of a guilt here to Carol

[00:27:39] isolating herself away from earth and absolutely away from Monica yeah Monica's going you never even

[00:27:46] came back to me after my mama died and I'd returned after the snap you never even came back to

[00:27:51] to help me during that time and even when her mother was dying of cancer we see that there is a moment

[00:27:56] that Carol came back and was talking to Maria and the porch when she tells her that the cancer is

[00:28:03] coming back and it's it looks like it's terminal um Carol then leaves and doesn't come back so

[00:28:08] so I thought that was quite interesting that that relationship between the two and why it is

[00:28:12] the Carol is no is not coming back to earth because she can come back with the mantle of an

[00:28:17] annihilator she wants to come back as the superhero Carol down pretty much. She's worried about what

[00:28:21] Monica will think of her having this this name this moniker from the Cree's so yeah you know it

[00:28:30] it kind of complicated and I kind of liked how Carol in a sense I feel initially when these three

[00:28:36] are together you know she is detached there is that awkwardness that tension between Monica and

[00:28:43] Carol and Kamala's emotional skills then she completely sees that it's there yeah and I like

[00:28:52] that because I think Bri Larson does give off that sense of almost a little bit of frostiness

[00:28:59] at the start yes and you feel she just doesn't want any involvement here and she works alone she

[00:29:05] wants to work alone that's it doesn't want to be part of this team you know even when she was

[00:29:09] remembered the the Avengers it was come in do my job get out she wasn't hang around you know there

[00:29:13] was always that thing with Carol downvers and so I do like that we have Kamala Khan here constantly

[00:29:20] trying to impress Carol downvers her favorite superhero trying to be besties with her we have Monica

[00:29:25] kind of slipping. Twinsies absolutely but we have Monica kind of sliding into that that parenthood

[00:29:32] for Kamala she seems really protective of her as she's learning how to use these powers between

[00:29:37] the three of them it seems like Monica is the one that's trying to make sure that Kamala doesn't

[00:29:41] get her but they have to keep her safe because she's the one with the band that's what Darben wants

[00:29:45] but Monica's slipping into that role Carol's kind of retreating almost until they're all pulled

[00:29:51] together the three of them have to work together to learn how to use this new switching power

[00:29:56] and it took me a while to get to guess what was happening again I think it's the strength of the

[00:30:00] movie in some ways it doesn't really tell you what's happening with the switching powers it allows

[00:30:05] you to learn it through the characters I kind of was wondering you know every time they lose

[00:30:08] they use their powers and they're switching and you're going oh well that means they can't use

[00:30:13] their powers at all they're gonna have to overcome being a hero without using their powers but

[00:30:18] actually it's just if one uses it at the same exact moment as another one of the three of them

[00:30:24] uses their powers then they switch so they're able to train together to work out how to use the best

[00:30:30] the one two three go yeah exactly which is another great joke if we're gonna go on three why did

[00:30:35] you say go yeah exactly and but that was really good you know just seeing them trying to sort of

[00:30:40] understand it and to almost get the this automatic sort of response that you know when they use

[00:30:47] their powers they could and more than likely will jump and they have to be ready to and you know

[00:30:54] they're trying it through catching a tennis ball but go it and be doing something completely

[00:31:00] different from what you know they could even be facing the wrong way yeah and I like this and I

[00:31:04] thought that whole fight with the the Cree and the three of them switching primarily focused around

[00:31:11] Kamala's house but also you have it in the space station with Nick Fury and you have it on a

[00:31:18] Cree ship somewhere out in in the galaxy yeah I thought this was just so so good I absolutely loved

[00:31:28] this and I mean it's it's kind of going on for I would say a good five minutes yeah of time you

[00:31:36] know evolving Kamala's family when it's in the family house involving Nick Fury when it's

[00:31:41] on the space station and I really like this because me you know that there are genuine moments where

[00:31:48] Kamala has just really met Carol and Monica yet she's suddenly being transported onto a Cree ship

[00:31:56] as the powers are being used and I know well technically she hasn't met either of them at all

[00:32:00] she just keeps switching with them you know it doesn't even just that moment when her parents are

[00:32:04] telling her Carol downers was in the house she's going what do you mean a missed Carol that's

[00:32:08] doesn't really understand the switching part at this point but having watched the six episodes

[00:32:12] of this marvel being placed in this house it's almost like it's getting trashed in front of your eyes

[00:32:19] and you're going I got a second what's got what's happened here with this home that we've we've

[00:32:23] spent so much time in it's absolutely getting destroyed we have one of the Cree yelling throwing

[00:32:28] up through the floor through the roof out of the house by Captain Marvel and then when she's

[00:32:33] as her parents again Miss Marvel suddenly appears back in there to continue the fight against the Cree

[00:32:38] really enjoyed how that all played out it led to some good comedy moments as well I love that

[00:32:43] the fight all ends with Monica and Carol Danvers in the house with Nick Fury and Kamala is out in

[00:32:50] space so Carol tries to fly off to save her so that she doesn't use her powers tries to fly off

[00:32:56] and save her uses her powers just as Miss Marvel uses hers and she's now falling from the sky yeah

[00:33:02] and suddenly Monica Rabbo has to learn how to fly effectively Nick Fury telling her you need to

[00:33:07] learn how to fly right now or else this kid's going to die yeah exactly love the idea of bringing

[00:33:12] that in as the comedy moments and also the action moments bringing in them using their switching

[00:33:17] powers it was fantastic really really enjoyed definitely definitely it was really and just to

[00:33:22] reference again the 80s movie styling of this of course as they learn how to work together

[00:33:27] uh through the powers we do get a great montage you mentioned the uh the tennis bowl

[00:33:31] as their way of working out how to switch between each other throwing the talents tennis ball in the

[00:33:34] air switching and then somebody else catches the bowl thought that was really good and then jump rope

[00:33:38] as there as they're learning how to switch properly between each of the three of them thought

[00:33:43] that was really good fun and how it's how it's um failing sometimes and eventually starts to work

[00:33:48] uh that was just so so well observed so it's such a good comedy moment and I can't imagine how

[00:33:54] you'd film that I don't know how to do how you film that you just film the whole thing from everybody's

[00:34:00] perspective and then edit it all together because you're also bringing in their reactions to

[00:34:05] actually switching as well so I don't know how they did it but it was really good it was good

[00:34:09] superb it was one of the best action sequences I've seen in a long time like for me anyway it

[00:34:16] was so much fun as well you know you're so used to seeing action sequences the way they do them

[00:34:19] in Marvel you know punch punch lots of money behind us lots of explosions this just added so much

[00:34:25] fun to us being not knowing exactly who was going to appear uh to punch the x-create or to get

[00:34:30] into the next battle yeah and there's a lot of fun you know underlying this movie as a whole

[00:34:36] which is really good and I think with that I think we can move on to our third point which is

[00:34:42] the musical party plan you know the minute this started I knew I was in a comedy movie a fun comedy

[00:34:50] movie in Marvel comedy action of course but this is absolutely telling you what movie you're in

[00:34:55] absolutely I have to say I was a little shocked when I had to kind of get used to I was like oh

[00:35:01] are they really going here and it was like they did they went there and I'm glad that the king

[00:35:08] was bilingual so that he could speak because I just saw yeah no exactly and I just I was like oh my

[00:35:15] goodness this is so off the wall and I mean I say that because it's not because we've seen musical

[00:35:22] episodes of different shows you know like Buffy back in the day and all you know using puppets or

[00:35:29] whatever it might be but I it felt like having it in a movie this was really really kind of

[00:35:35] different for for Marvel and yes by loved it in the end yes but I will say I can absolutely see

[00:35:44] this in James Gunn's Garden of the Galaxy No exactly definitely you could see all the characters

[00:35:49] arriving on a planet where they have to sing and then the joke being that group can only sing

[00:35:53] I am Groot or can I ever say I am Groot something like that so it doesn't feel out of place for the MCU

[00:35:58] and if you have infinite possibilities infinite infinite realities infinite characters then a musical

[00:36:04] party planet does sound like that works really well yeah no definitely no I ultimately liked it but

[00:36:10] I think there was the initial moment I mean I love Kamala Khan just sort of dancing through the street

[00:36:16] sort of waving arms like we're trying to encourage Monica to sort of get into the groove of it

[00:36:23] yeah and I loved the thing is like why you're not singing to Carol Damba's tears I am

[00:36:32] and she's princess of this planet so she's obviously been here a few times a Disney princess

[00:36:36] no doubt absolutely finally a Disney princess but she's been here at this planet multiple times and

[00:36:40] married the married the prince here and to get him out of some legal entitlements as she says

[00:36:46] I think this was just a lot of fun and again being that we enjoyed Miss Marvel so much you know they

[00:36:52] had that amazing dance routine in Miss Marvel's TV show where it was her brother getting married

[00:36:59] at the wedding scene so it doesn't feel out of place for Kamala to be here in the streets dancing along

[00:37:04] with this awesome parade through the streets she's really excited but it was really good I think

[00:37:11] it's just more from the moniker and the carol side that you're just like okay because you know

[00:37:18] captain Marvel the movie was certainly a serious movie and moniker in one division it was serious

[00:37:26] she's a serious character yeah we even hear you know when carols calling her by her first name

[00:37:30] she's like no no it's captain Rambo she's a serious person that's beginning this movie but again

[00:37:35] it's the infectiousness of the joy that Kamala Khan brings to the whole movie that affects

[00:37:40] these characters as well they do seem to have a lot of fun and I enjoyed it I also like I

[00:37:46] suppose the embarrassment of carol downvers that she has to kind of explain to these to these people

[00:37:51] why she's bringing them to the planet they need help from from the prince who's who she's married to

[00:37:57] sort of but it feels like carol has to kind of fight through that embarrassment yeah in front

[00:38:02] of these two these two people for what she's been doing at space exactly because ultimately in terms

[00:38:08] of the the story as well this is where darben is coming to collect water for hallor and to open

[00:38:15] up another jump point so you know they're trying to slow her down they're trying to get that cosmic band

[00:38:21] offer and and of course for the aladnas I guess that's what you call this race and it's all done in

[00:38:28] wonderful costumes amazing costumes at two songs and uh you know they're trying to slow down

[00:38:39] darben as carol moniker and Kamala look to enact a plan to try and slow her down to stop her from

[00:38:46] opening up another jump point uh and to try and get the the cosmic band offer absolutely absolutely

[00:38:53] so yeah I thought this in the end was really really good it actually almost felt like in

[00:39:00] Thor love and thunder being at Zeus's big assembly absolutely yeah it was really good fun

[00:39:07] similar style again you know that the cosmic version of the MCU always seems to lean into the comedy

[00:39:12] a little bit when they when they are able to go to different types of planets right so yeah

[00:39:16] so it makes it makes sense here another big thing that happens on the planet level laden though

[00:39:20] is we get the movie upgraded before two of the characters costumes we get Miss Marvel getting

[00:39:25] her own costume here um including a scarf that she can use in her attacks yes I love that

[00:39:33] she was like it's kind of like you know when you get around with the tea towel flicking some

[00:39:38] on that uh messing around it was kind of like she was doing that I kind of loved it but she's got to

[00:39:42] go there well why do I have this stupid scarf on why why am I knowing scarf use the scarf

[00:39:48] use the scarf Kamala really good also a great gag in there for um for moniker Rambo on her new costume

[00:39:54] which is the the comic book accurate costume the white and black one with the star in the center of it

[00:39:59] and it also has the kind of white like drapes or like silk that attaches from a hand to her shoulder

[00:40:04] which is the comic book accurate one but basically moniker walks then one set of stairs and goes

[00:40:09] and get rid of these just rip them off which is which is really good so good yeah I think if you

[00:40:15] can't get through this moment if you watch this moment go oh where are they going with this movie um

[00:40:20] you're probably not gonna enjoy the rest of the film no I would say so I mean I have to for a very

[00:40:25] brief moment I was like oh my goodness what's happening here because I just didn't know how much

[00:40:30] singing was going to be involved here but it is ultimately um a take on Aladdin's world

[00:40:38] well yes some kind of musical world absolutely yeah and and what happens on the planet is they don't

[00:40:44] actually save them um do they just leave them behind to die um they take all the water from the

[00:40:49] fire also be taking their water at least it's not taking the atmosphere like like darben did on

[00:40:56] tarnaxe with the scroll because then they can't breathe they're all gonna so it was a will the

[00:41:01] scroll die because the scroll can survive quite a lot we saw on in secret invasion they can live

[00:41:05] on in a nuclear zone effect they can but I think it was also the fact that the proximity of that

[00:41:12] jump point seemed to be also bringing the sort of the mountains down on their new

[00:41:19] home yeah and and sissy that they were trying you know starting to build and so whereas here it was

[00:41:26] simply it looked more than it was the water just coming off planets not to say that they

[00:41:32] you know they wouldn't be able to survive that for much longer or they may be able to evacuate

[00:41:37] yeah I think it possibly I think with the atmosphere one it was almost creating water see so you

[00:41:44] see a number of ships sort of been pulled through as well to howler um in that moment because

[00:41:51] of the proximity of where the jump point is to their uh kind of new town where the scrolls are

[00:41:58] here it it's just seemed to be lifting the water because there was still a big then you have

[00:42:04] the big confrontation with Daven on one of the creed ships and there's the airborne battle as well

[00:42:13] as they they try to sort of still get the bands off Daven yeah yeah so Daven is successful here

[00:42:20] yeah you know the traditional mid movie success where the heroes fail at stopping her in her plan

[00:42:26] absolutely she has air and water actually now needs the energy of a sun to kickstart howler's sun

[00:42:35] and of course I think moving on to our fourth point because it linked in yeah with that

[00:42:42] she goes to earth this is the big sort of you know middle finger to Carol's hands here because

[00:42:49] it would ultimately destroy earth yes and with the removal of the sun or the energy of the sun

[00:42:57] yeah and so we see her coming here uh opening up so she she does manage to open up one of these

[00:43:03] rips in the uh jump points yeah and you see a trail from the sun starting and there is that

[00:43:09] slight dimming um it starts to happen and it begins to affect uh the the space station here as well

[00:43:17] which leads I think to probably uh one of the best moments in Marvel movie history or absolutely

[00:43:25] that we haven't mentioned goose at all we have luck and um we i like the introduction of goose

[00:43:31] with Kamala when she appears looks at the cute kiddie and she's like oh and then he eats two

[00:43:36] korea and deposits them in her home let her on so yeah basically leads to the big fight through space

[00:43:43] with all the jumping egg and Kamala's home I also love her mom's reaction to the fact that

[00:43:48] this this flurkin or cat as she thinks has just vomited out to fully grown uh

[00:43:56] crees are in our house exactly exactly but goose is also on the station with uh with Nick Fury

[00:44:02] and Kamala's family um and seems to be laying some kind of egg yeah I definitely got another

[00:44:09] racy's call back here this definitely seemed like the grandmothers right um suddenly these balls

[00:44:13] start to appear across the station uh it looked like it they look like brains yeah um just being

[00:44:19] deposited everywhere and all the all the people on uh on the saver space station are like one of

[00:44:26] these and then like opening up cubards and there's more of them in there and then they begin to crack

[00:44:32] open we've got some cute flurkin kittens uh that pop out the they really know their audience this

[00:44:38] was uh this is definitely right on my wheel I was like oh gorgeous little cute flurkin's uh and then

[00:44:43] you can see why near to Costa uh was involved in horror I mean it's not horror horror but it's just

[00:44:50] kind of um disgusting way of trying to evacuate the space station as you know the the the immediate

[00:45:00] solar system has been affected by uh darben's uh plan and you have to get all the the personnel off

[00:45:09] the saver space station which is beginning to sort of break apart uh except there aren't enough

[00:45:16] sort of liferafts on the space station and we have I think one of the best moments for me ever where

[00:45:26] all the cute kittens uh the idea is that they should gobble up all the the saver personnel so that

[00:45:34] they can actually fit in the escape pods and this just maybe laugh so much um really really enjoyed

[00:45:41] as they're almost stalking their prey these little flurkin kittens walking around stalking all of

[00:45:47] them and you hear the uh the voiceover uh sometimes Mars attacks actually the voiceover going don't

[00:45:53] allow the flurkins to eat you they are just trying to transport you they are our friends

[00:45:58] you know what's there as they're eating all of these uh all these people uh I also love the reactions

[00:46:02] of the engineers that work on saver they're not queuing up in a row to get in by the flurkins

[00:46:06] they're running scared they're running just in case yeah and I'm having to be cornered by the

[00:46:12] flurkin kittens I love that but it's also then just seeing Nick Fury trying to hurt these kittens

[00:46:18] onto the uh escape pods you know literally hurting cats it literally is and then uh just the

[00:46:25] fact when they get back down to earth you you just hear the uh and just these these technicians

[00:46:33] and saver personnel sort of just being vormis on to the grass uh it was so good yeah

[00:46:41] uh I I never knew I needed that with them and I did and it was fantastic yeah and they did

[00:46:48] just enough it wasn't too much it wasn't uh it didn't go on for too long it went on for just

[00:46:53] to ride just the right amount of time I guess um that's what you do in adjusting right when you're

[00:46:57] when you're doing this movie or in the to the CGI you kind of go right we just have one more

[00:47:01] flurkin uh eating another technician yeah just one more yeah just one more exactly and it

[00:47:06] ultimately the serious part of this section of the movie was happening out in space but you know

[00:47:13] with Carol Monika Kamala and trying to stop uh Daabene who um you know they feel as though they have

[00:47:21] done you know it's that kind of classic moment where you think you've gotten through to the bad guy

[00:47:26] and that they may see the error of their ways but instead um they do a counter attack you know

[00:47:34] they look beaten and down and out but do a counter attack and Daabene manages to get Kamala's band

[00:47:41] here yeah but I absolutely felt that they were going to have that moment where uh Daabene was

[00:47:46] being talked into accepting the the that cap Marvel would that would help her and too and I love

[00:47:53] that I was so wrong with that yeah I don't know I don't know it was really good it was really good

[00:47:57] I just it felt like that's the way they were gonna go with this movie you know we had lots of

[00:48:01] CGI battles throughout the movie wasn't gonna end the big CGI battle I thought it was going to be

[00:48:06] Captain Marvel explains I don't want to be the narrator Kamala has given me an option here where

[00:48:12] I can help reignite the sun and then we can save the crew and Daabene kind of going oh yeah that's

[00:48:17] a good idea right so let's go and do that yeah and then she gets the other band I'm trying to rip

[00:48:21] the rip soul out of our uh out of our galaxy and uh still send it through to the crew go oh okay

[00:48:27] so she is a bad guy then yeah exactly she's not willing to accept the uh the discussion and uh

[00:48:32] peace talks uh from Captain Marvel not at all um and goes out to effectively it's really I think

[00:48:39] to try and get the whole sun through or at least to increase the flow of the energy that we do

[00:48:46] start to see she goes out but it's just too much power I mean this is the moment where too much power

[00:48:53] um didn't help at all because she wasn't able to control it now interestingly though

[00:49:00] I didn't fully appreciate that they had in in the moment where she effectively turns to that

[00:49:07] glass that you see Kamala generate from her single band and her powers uh you know she

[00:49:17] turns to glass effectively and breaks up yeah but I didn't realize that the jump point then has

[00:49:24] effectively torn fraught through to another universe initially and either it had just torn through

[00:49:32] and and had created that extra power to bring the soul and so they needed to patch it off

[00:49:37] otherwise the sun and its energy would be transferred to Hala yeah it seemed like the ripped

[00:49:42] a permanent hole between the two jump points effectively this instead of having this temporary one

[00:49:47] that's held open by the pair of the darban has and she could close up behind her because she's used

[00:49:51] the two of them it just felt like she had opened up a permanent hole between the two galaxies but

[00:49:55] here we find out it's actually a hole between two universes yes anything else we want to talk about

[00:50:00] before we move on to um those kind of wrap up scenes afterwards uh where we'll talk about the other

[00:50:06] universe as well in that anything else you want to talk about with the battle with darban and how

[00:50:10] how it closes up no not from me okay because the end of this really is mnemica having to knit back

[00:50:15] together that gap between the two universes and her being left on the other side um she gets

[00:50:20] powered up by the combined power of captain marvel and by all powers combined exactly exactly

[00:50:25] they're no longer um connectors um the way they were they're not switching uh as they use their

[00:50:29] powers that are able to combine their powers now in a different way and they power up mnemica so

[00:50:33] that she's able to knit the universe back together and she's left on the other side after reconnecting

[00:50:38] with uh captain marvel so i guess after this there's no further marvels adventures um the three of

[00:50:44] them aren't going to be teaming up in the new trip because uh mnemica has left on the other side

[00:50:48] for galaxy it is short lived in that sense yeah this team up because mnemica has been stranded as you

[00:50:53] say in another universe and we have carol and sort of taking on board what mnemica had said to her

[00:51:00] you know you could have tried to use your powers to restart hallas sun yeah and and you know that

[00:51:09] would have gone some way to reconciling what you had done and after destroying the artificial

[00:51:16] intelligence and with the loss of mnemica to this other universe you know because she she does

[00:51:22] sacrifice herself uh carol is trying to get her back into her universe and but she sacked she

[00:51:30] consciously sacrifices herself so almost in memory of that sacrifice uh and that loss she goes to

[00:51:37] how her and flies into their sun to use her powers into reignite it and it seems to work yeah um

[00:51:45] and comes back to move into the old family home in Louisiana yeah which we see Kamala and her

[00:51:53] family helping her move into the house yeah yeah i have a question go on was carol intending to

[00:52:02] give the house to Kamala's family as a replacement for absolutely destroying their own in New Jersey

[00:52:10] but yeah i think i don't think i did really because it just wouldn't have made sense for Kamala

[00:52:15] and her family should be suddenly in the middle of the bayou uh in Louisiana um i was kind of thinking

[00:52:23] but does mnemica already have this so i almost felt it was a little presumptive that carol could

[00:52:30] simply move all her stuff in there and she's like she won't mind she's in another universe i

[00:52:35] probably won't ever see her again you know so i thought it was a little cheeky but when she says

[00:52:41] she's there waiting for mnemica to come home she's taking care of the house while mnemica's gone

[00:52:45] so she's house-sitting exactly exactly but that's what i thought i wondered whether she was allowing

[00:52:50] the cans to live in the house to take care of it while mnemica was gone or maybe while their

[00:52:54] house was being refurbished there's a couple of comments from um Kamala's brother and from

[00:52:58] Khmala herself that it's quite quiet here isn't it you know yeah exactly it makes it seem like

[00:53:02] a world away from from New Jersey big time and it is of course but i'm guessing that saber are going

[00:53:08] to compensate them in some way at nick fury will compensate i'm sure the the calm family

[00:53:16] um to rebuild the house fix back up their home yeah because you can't take Kamala

[00:53:20] out of New Jersey and yeah i didn't think so no but really interestingly um we also get the

[00:53:25] comment from her mom where uh she's telling uh Kamala um it's time now but i'll never let you go

[00:53:32] but i understand that you're an hour hero you have to go off and be able to be a superhero

[00:53:36] you can't effectively you don't have to have a curfew anymore yes you don't have to come back

[00:53:40] at 10 p.m anymore you're a hero i trust you but i'll never let you go exactly and i mean because

[00:53:46] at the start we still have at you know at Kamala saying you're doing your homework aren't you while

[00:53:51] she is doing all the drawing yeah and the sketching in a bedroom so you know again it is that i mean

[00:53:58] but i don't think we've totally lost her mother being motherly too much because in a sense she is

[00:54:06] still at school so but she recognizes it in the same way that and made it with Peter Parker

[00:54:15] watching you know that she needs to do this but that they always say one of the big one of the big

[00:54:20] phrases is you know um wants to become a parent you're always a parent actually you can get any

[00:54:24] other job in the world but once you're a parent you're always a parent so just like her mom she will

[00:54:28] always be there and i hope we will see the cams back in the future we said that when we watched

[00:54:32] the miss marvel tv show that we hoped that in the marbles we'd see this family they actually do

[00:54:36] play quite a central role in here they're not heroes they're not doing anything massive but trying to

[00:54:41] protect them on the space station is really important this moment when they're helping Carol move

[00:54:46] into the house shows that they are also friends of Carol downvers now they're all working together

[00:54:50] at home as well you know because i mean in that fight you did see a few plush cushions being thrown

[00:54:57] because they didn't know what else to do so i yeah i mean it was great having this family

[00:55:03] in the middle of this action movie i think that was also you know one of the great choices

[00:55:09] yeah for this movie exactly can i just check something i know we've only seen this movie once and you

[00:55:14] may have the same question as i do but all of those flukken babies that were being born from goose

[00:55:21] there's a comment from kamala's mother that one of them looks like the cushion from her heaps

[00:55:27] so are they being born because goose ate so much of their furniture and that same what has led him

[00:55:34] to have these younger flukken's like what's called i don't know what's causing but it's just

[00:55:38] the way she calls they're going hang on a second that's my that's my catch and those are my cushions

[00:55:42] i yeah i don't know i mean i'm really hoping that the

[00:55:46] car and family adopts one of the kittens i'm sure that i would love for that to be the case

[00:55:53] flukken on earth i flukken on earth yeah i do what i call it one final joke from the cans as well

[00:55:58] before we move on to the last point and the wrap up i suppose of how it all ends and i do love

[00:56:04] that moment when they're helping to move carol stuff in and and kamala's mom maniba is saying

[00:56:10] to her brother amir this should be a great place for you and your wife to move to

[00:56:15] this would be perfect why don't you get it get a place out here in the countryside and he just

[00:56:18] takes the remote control out of a box that's trying to be sure that was so so good i don't know why

[00:56:24] it just worked really well the actor who plays amir uh sagger shriek is a comedian and that's

[00:56:29] that's his normal job is comedian and actor so i don't i remember during this marvel they were

[00:56:35] saying that he does a lot of improv during the scenes and he's always been a very funny character

[00:56:40] so it felt like a little moment to improv from him it was great that was a great moment i thought

[00:56:44] it was really good fun i think it's something we've all done to our one of our parents if not both

[00:56:50] exactly exactly as you turn them off pause pause mute but that kind of wraps up the main film

[00:56:58] we do have a point five which is our end scene and our mid-credits scene and actually i thought you

[00:57:03] could probably push these one in mid-credits i want an end credits scene because the end of the movie is

[00:57:09] um Kamala Khan living her best life as Nick Fury uh oh absolutely going out and contacting

[00:57:16] case bishop who we last saw in Hawkeye yeah i'm really pleased that Kate Bishop has been pulled

[00:57:21] into the MCU film world from Hawkeye the TV show um it was really good and totally with you

[00:57:28] the sense that this was like that first meeting of Nick Fury and Tony Stark uh was palpable here

[00:57:37] with Kamala Khan in the shadows yeah uh of Kate Bishop's little secret um hideaway an HQ for her

[00:57:47] superhero work and i really really liked how you got you know also the reference that

[00:57:55] Ant-Man has a door so just me and you but i think we should start a team there's another set

[00:58:00] there to do you know what man has a top here so i like this idea of you know and the the building

[00:58:07] of the young Avengers here finally and uh you know we've talked about it on the tv shows if you

[00:58:12] haven't listened to our podcast about those and they have introduced lots and lots of characters that

[00:58:16] are members of the young Avengers they introduce wander's kids who will eventually become members

[00:58:20] of the young Avengers in she whole quick us at the son of Hulk who also becomes a member of the

[00:58:25] young Avengers um of course Kate Bishop from the Hawkeye show yeah and interestingly this is

[00:58:33] another handover from the tv shows to the movies uh in the past we've had the handover from

[00:58:37] the movies to the tv shows where we had Yelena Belova from Black Widow being sent to hunt

[00:58:43] Kate Bishop and the two of them eventually becoming friends that's that was how she came into

[00:58:46] the Hawkeye TV show and they were having the handoff from Kate Bishop being pulled into the movies by

[00:58:51] absolutely Kamala Khan here and i just thought it was a lovely ending really fun ending and i love how

[00:58:57] ungraceful let's say how Kamala Khan is in her version of Nick Fury uh when Kate's going to

[00:59:02] her how did you find out about me as she goes um from this uh from this data pad I have here where

[00:59:06] was that on my couch exactly and the top that she was wearing seemed to be way too long in the arms

[00:59:14] for something the Kamala was wearing yeah really i don't know or maybe i'm just making that up

[00:59:19] but for some reason the silhouette didn't look right it didn't i don't it it looked like she was kind of

[00:59:25] in a coat that was way too big for her like whether she was trying to have some kind of you know spy

[00:59:32] Mac on or what did she literally borrow Nick exactly like but with only having seen the movie once

[00:59:38] I'd need to see that again but I just remember thinking she looks like she's just gotten out of

[00:59:44] bed or something rather you know but I mean i love the whole scene like you say where did you get

[00:59:50] that from from between the sofa cushions of the sofa so yeah really really enjoyed this and

[00:59:58] yeah i'm really excited for young Avengers yeah whenever that makeup could be could be a quite a

[01:00:04] while away but and we don't know whether it's the tv show or or a movie wonder whether it'll be

[01:00:09] connected into the thunderbolts we have the thunderbolts on one side in the young Avengers on the other side

[01:00:13] yeah maybe yeah it's interesting we talked about it on our on our finale podcast for Loki a lot of

[01:00:18] the movies from 2024 have been moved out to 2025 including the captain american movie the thunderbolts

[01:00:24] uh also supposed to be in 2024 so there will be a big pause for the major MCU movies the only

[01:00:30] Marvel movie coming out next year is Deadpool 3 so there'll be a big pause in connections to these

[01:00:36] movies and tv shows um so you wonder how they're gonna play as it's gonna be quite a while before

[01:00:42] uh before we see these characters back in anything at all you know we've got the echo tv show we've

[01:00:46] got agatha cover the chaos coming next year we've got potentially daredevil born again coming

[01:00:51] next year and i let that may move eight because they've stopped production or restarting production

[01:00:55] on that so um so it's interesting uh in the past we've usually had something that we could say

[01:01:02] this is post-credits scene or this end credits scene connects into something we can see in the future

[01:01:06] but right now um with so much being pushed out of 2024 uh don't know when we'll see these characters

[01:01:12] again which is probably the same thing i'd say about the mid credits scene where we have Monica

[01:01:16] Rambo awakening in the other uh the other universe with with beast we mentioned earlier on

[01:01:22] hank mccoi being there in the other universe played by kelsie grammar um talking about the fact

[01:01:27] there is the professor charles exaver in another room um so there's is the x-men that we uh that we

[01:01:32] know and love uh in another universe i guess that's the way they're going to introduce the x-men they

[01:01:37] have been around for many many years just not in our universe and our galaxy and to a good way

[01:01:43] to introduce them and you have monica's mum there and binary yes yeah but not knowing who she is um

[01:01:52] you know so maria Rambo is alive in another universe and doesn't know who monica Rambo is exactly

[01:01:58] that's an interesting one isn't it is an interesting one that has all potential

[01:02:03] manner of implications as to why that may be in fact not having the x-men as well you know

[01:02:10] it has implications um for earth 616 what were the main mcu happens but you know why did we not

[01:02:19] have the x-men and again it could all be leading up to the fact that you know in a sense here

[01:02:25] as well this links to the incursion um and credits or post movie scene from doctor strange

[01:02:35] multiverse of madness yes to us where we see him and clay and she's asking for his help around

[01:02:42] the incursions so we have these threads beginning to form and to connect and pull things through

[01:02:48] I mean in particular uh with the doctor strange multiverse of madness were we have that post

[01:02:55] film scene with doctor strange and clay and who is the daughter of dorma ammu asking for his help

[01:03:04] to deal with incursions yes this is where you have different universes coming through and and joining

[01:03:13] up with other universes effectively a destructive process yeah and yeah it's interesting as

[01:03:19] because you know we did talk about earlier on when we were talking about this split that are about

[01:03:22] and created taking that when we were watching it first it was just a permanent split between

[01:03:26] uh one part of the galaxy to the other joke points actually what's happening here is she split

[01:03:30] into another universe which could cause an incursion as they're called in the comics and as you

[01:03:35] mentioned in doctor strange multiverse madness if an incursion happens one universe is colliding

[01:03:39] with another universe and both will be destroyed or one will be absorbed by the other um not always

[01:03:45] the same every time but if they come in they will destroy it or that we saw even one of those

[01:03:50] inductive in doctor strange the one that had the um the really evil doctor strange on it was a

[01:03:56] a universe that had had an incursion happened on and everything had been destroyed apart from

[01:04:00] doctor strange himself so um so we've seen incursions before a little bit they've been talked to

[01:04:04] it before in doctor strange but here we're seeing uh Monica able to miss the uh the gap between

[01:04:11] the two universes back together so that the incursion doesn't happen which is another interesting

[01:04:16] use of her powers right and i feel that my sort of long standing theory certainly after multiverse

[01:04:21] of madness around incursions and given that we now have a title for movie Avengers Secret Wars uh

[01:04:30] that yes we will have possibly an Avengers Secret Wars we will have the introduction

[01:04:38] of fantastic for there and potentially their big villain doctor do but also secret wars it links

[01:04:45] to the comic uh series of the same name which is all about incursions that ultimately end up with

[01:04:54] they're just being a single universe left uh because all of those universes are knitted together

[01:05:01] to make one universe yeah um as the as the incursions are happening so the incursions themselves

[01:05:07] are led to happen to destroy other universes not the 616 or the ultimate universe where the

[01:05:12] fantastic for are that's what's happening and eventually um as they can't stop all of these

[01:05:17] happening uh they are all knitted together and that's that creates this battle world this one world

[01:05:23] where loads of different universes are all together so um i hope that i hope we explain this uh well

[01:05:29] enough that it's not too confusing but it's interesting that they're referencing all of this stuff

[01:05:32] selling lots and lots of stuff up because in a movie as fast paced as the marbles with lots

[01:05:37] of lots going on um it's really easy to miss how much is actually being told in uh easter eggs

[01:05:44] and in nards to things that are coming and things that have gone on the past as well

[01:05:48] yeah for sure yeah so very cool excellent uh Derek any notes from this movie to fit finishers off

[01:05:58] yes i wanted to jump back to the joker imaginary ram with Kamala trying to give names to uh to

[01:06:04] Monica Rambo um because in the comic books Monica has probably had more titles than anybody else she

[01:06:09] has captain marvel and we know she's captain rambo here so she's almost captain marvel um but

[01:06:14] throughout this kind of game that Kamala kawa is playing during the the movie she just called eight some

[01:06:19] of the names that Monica Rambo has gone by in the comic books like photon and pulsar and spectrum

[01:06:24] as possible titles for Monica Rambo to take on so yeah i do think it was a really good fun

[01:06:30] easter eggs that you can have as uh Kamala is trying to pick up something from the light

[01:06:34] pair as that you could call it because i presume given that she's had that many names that's what

[01:06:38] the writers have gone through a few times yeah absolutely uh yeah i know it was really good yeah for

[01:06:42] sure and the other thing to mention is we do see valkary here as well who uh takes uh king drogge

[01:06:50] and the scrolls uh to new asgard and guessing a little tad little appearance from tessatops and

[01:06:56] the new king of asgard yeah doing a favor for captain marvel yeah absolutely so uh it's

[01:07:00] quite cool to see uh tess tams in here as well yeah definitely i think that's it i think that's it

[01:07:04] for our notes and and our discussion about the episode overall that john do you defend the marvels

[01:07:12] i do i'd give this um four and a half uh cute kitty flurkin monsters out of five

[01:07:20] i i really really like this film um just how it made me feel coming out of the cinema

[01:07:26] i was like buzzing uh it was great fun it was you know had its emotion it had issues to work through

[01:07:35] some fantastic fight scenes it introduced you know uh munching flurkin kittens as a way of escaping

[01:07:44] a space station that is uh rapidly uh sort of breaking apart uh which i never knew i needed um

[01:07:51] you know how many people would have been saved on the titanic if they just had flurkin

[01:07:55] it's been a couple of couple like this well no just then the kittens were the giants now they've

[01:07:58] been the lifeboots well that's true yes yeah of course of course the same analogy of course um and uh

[01:08:05] yeah you know i loved uh a ladner in the end uh i think that was the bit that i you know possibly

[01:08:12] does need a little time to sort of relax into but in the end that whole sort of form of

[01:08:19] hating it you know coming from Kamala and her her family uh really pervaded through this

[01:08:26] and connected with carol and i'm on okay even though like on a ladner it was almost there

[01:08:33] discomfort at what was happening uh compared to Kamala's sort of joy and joining in with everything

[01:08:41] that made that really special and i thought the fight sequence uh where they're all shifting

[01:08:47] in space and as they use their powers was just absolutely phenomenally good uh really enjoyed that

[01:08:55] um i think again connecting into future movies uh new you know new avengers and of course

[01:09:06] X-Men and yeah really important glad to start seeing these threads um who would have thought we'd

[01:09:12] see it here yeah exactly and the way we do another universe i love the universe so i really just

[01:09:18] felt this was a great movie almost standalone in a sense even though i'm saying there's all these

[01:09:24] connections um i i just really loved all of the the performances i mean i think i think iman

[01:09:31] Vidalani is absolutely fantastic uh she is so so good and brings kind of the heart and soul

[01:09:39] of this movie i think with the head and i mean so does carol and moniker but in different ways but

[01:09:45] i think the the the fun the lightness um was just brought by uh Kamala can't and her family and

[01:09:54] i'm so glad that her family were interwoven it feels to me from having having watched Miss Marvel and

[01:10:00] now this you know in some respects you want to keep that association of the two it's like they

[01:10:08] there needs to be both Kamala doing her own thing absolutely but it always needs to touch

[01:10:15] base back with um her family it's in the same vein as spider man i don't think that's what makes

[01:10:22] it so powerful and great to see here uh so yeah for me uh four and a half cute flurkin kitty monsters

[01:10:30] else of five fantastic Derek do you defend the marvels i really do and i'll go a step further

[01:10:37] than you john if this movie didn't have a man valani in it it would be completely different

[01:10:44] and i'm not even sure i would i would get above the three out of five for me i think it goes

[01:10:49] over four and close to five it is so much fun it is really enjoyable she's not the only thing

[01:10:55] that's important but her interplay with all of the characters and fun enjoy that she brings to

[01:11:00] the scenes that she's in really give her that extra oof to make it a really enjoyable not out the

[01:11:05] cinema i haven't laughed this much in the cinema for quite a while though it was really really

[01:11:10] enjoyable um there's so many fun sequences they as you say that the flurkin sequence is really good

[01:11:16] the way they've introduced the fighting between the three of them at changing parades made me

[01:11:21] almost wish that this was a permanent situation that we would have always captain marvel

[01:11:25] spectrum and and miss marvel able to switch parades across the galaxy every time they use the

[01:11:31] parades at exactly the same time you know they have some kind of synchronization watches that

[01:11:35] they keep on them at all times where they go oh Kamala's using her parades right now i can't use

[01:11:40] them for another ten seconds you know or i can and we can interchange between each other you can

[01:11:45] I wish i kind of wish that could could stay forever because it worked so well bus then the idea

[01:11:52] that they are able to support each other that they're able to combine their parades at the end

[01:11:57] one for malaca to be able to seal that riff between the two universes and secondly for

[01:12:02] captain marvel to take inspiration from the other two with their parades combined to reignite

[01:12:07] the sun so while not technically combine their parades combining the advice and the support

[01:12:13] that she's getting from the other two i thought was a really really great way to close out this

[01:12:17] movie but wow did it go at a pace it was just flying by me so quickly and we were able to

[01:12:24] send him in about an hour and forty minutes including ads i was shocked you know it just seemed

[01:12:30] to go by so fast so quickly but that's what you need sometimes yeah you could have added an extra

[01:12:35] error to this movie explaining all the little details and putting in all the other connections

[01:12:40] adding in other characters spending time sitting down chatting but they wanted to do this movie

[01:12:44] fast they wanted to leave you breathless by the end and i think they did a great job i think

[01:12:49] it was really good fun a really good action comedy one like i haven't seen since the 80s so uh

[01:12:53] great fun excellent stuff will we hear what some of our fellow defenders say about the movie jump

[01:12:59] yes absolutely let us get into our feedback section first up we have an email in from coffee and vodka

[01:13:05] who says greetings fellow list defenders went into this expecting fun as nothing says fun like a

[01:13:10] 90 minute runtime like an ac's callback and it was linear simple understandable yet a testable

[01:13:16] villain character conflict with resolution a superhero team up and almost everything tied in a neat

[01:13:22] bow in the end as an expected Kamala made a dude's rug out of herself really tying the movie together

[01:13:27] what i hadn't expected was this more accessible and welcome version of carol nicks served the

[01:13:32] plot well by staying out of the way and we've got mutants specifically one long missed and for

[01:13:37] me best version of every favorite blue beastie what's not to like neither the brusest gem in the MCU

[01:13:43] got that nor the dimest but solid entertainment the single issue i have with the movie is their

[01:13:48] non revisit the water planet is our singing prince ruling over a desert planet now four flocks

[01:13:54] of full flurkins bundled bangles and tossed salads and scrambled eggs out of five peace and take

[01:14:00] care coffee and vodka p.s could secret invasion when passed through the filter of this movie with

[01:14:06] scrolls on the planets be considered an alternate timeline adventure that's an interesting question

[01:14:11] copy of like i don't think so think secret invasion does take place because and we had that mentioned

[01:14:16] from tailos of emperor drogue on the other planet with the other colony of scrolls that your options

[01:14:22] are either you come to earth or you go to his colony which we see here emperor drogue is in

[01:14:27] cooperation with the crease so there's a lot of scrolls that may not want to cooperate with the

[01:14:31] with the tree after the war that's happened so they would naturally choose to go to earth so actually

[01:14:35] I think it expands on what happened there with the secret invasion yeah definitely i would say is

[01:14:40] in the same timeline for sure yeah yeah yeah and but as well coffee and vodka i kind of suspect

[01:14:47] that are singing prince yes he could be ruling over a desert planet but i think he will go to their

[01:14:57] highly valued national treasure which is a lamp and probably give it a rub in order to get

[01:15:05] a wish from a genie and we want our oceans back maybe or else it had to be in a constant feed

[01:15:16] and then a carol has sorted out the crea home world maybe she stopped that feed before turned

[01:15:21] into a desert planet like a lot of water would have to travel from an entire planet it would but i

[01:15:26] mean i guess that was still going on it wasn't instantaneous so me you know and two coffee and vodka

[01:15:31] serious point at the end of the day these two and time jump kind of holes were not filled back

[01:15:39] and i don't know whether it's like right ocean is full now in howl at therefore it closes back up

[01:15:45] i think and you would need to somehow go and close them back up uh presumably we can do that

[01:15:52] in a way both bangles yeah presumably with the bangles maybe who knows but yeah we don't see that

[01:15:58] and i mean possibly he is on a desert world because it would still be going but it would take a while

[01:16:04] let's hope that and yeah i guess that is the thing with quick paced shorts run times that sometimes

[01:16:10] not everything is covered off but it also in a sense probably doesn't need to be um i guess

[01:16:18] and if not in this movie it will be done at some other point in time maybe if we ever revisit a

[01:16:25] latina if we ever go back to the dancing singing planet uh in the future that's where they bring

[01:16:30] kate k bishop um kamehla wants to show where the universe and takes her off to the dancing singing

[01:16:35] planet maybe that's the way for sure but completely agree with all your other points as well i

[01:16:40] just think this was really good um sort of entertainment uh for me yeah i can definitely see

[01:16:45] us watching uh miss marvel again and playing this directly afterwards uh the next time uh we we

[01:16:50] run through the whole show uh speaking of things that are sometimes missed uh the movies wouldn't

[01:16:53] mention us uh in uh in the discussion on the episode here but i did notice that the end of the movie

[01:16:59] even though effectively the goal was to guess kamehla both bangles um where they took out our band

[01:17:06] and got both bangles back and she puts the two of the man from the point that kamehla puts the

[01:17:10] two of the man to the end of the movie i don't think you see both of the fun her arms she's back

[01:17:14] to just one when she's talking with her family again which is always a bit of a surprise um yeah i

[01:17:19] guess so i mean i i think the thing is though from kamehla's side that bangle that she had was

[01:17:26] from her nana yes so there's something special that and she may feel i don't need the two it

[01:17:31] that doesn't you know i have these powers it could be that she has the other cosmic band ready

[01:17:37] in case she needs to really you know further power up i think the other interesting thing

[01:17:42] we do see her go into and get the gigantic hand as well yes we do yeah this point to bring back

[01:17:51] carol and the bangles after bar den has killed herself and um moniker has been lost to the other

[01:17:59] universe but there that's the only time we see her use her sort of gigantic power uh by

[01:18:06] creating a gigantic hand yeah in the movie here that was quite cool it's much much more like her

[01:18:10] pair is in the colored books so good stuff over on facebook we have a bit of feedback as well done

[01:18:14] yes uh first up philipp guisual florencio who says marvel needs to put iman valani in all shows films

[01:18:22] headquarters mcdonalds etc i've recently rewatched captain marvel and i enjoyed it more than when

[01:18:28] i watched it in 2019 but the main issue of captain marvel so far was that she was too tough

[01:18:35] iman's kamaala has such a nice vibe and her charisma is so intense that even captain marvel

[01:18:41] feels charismatic in this one as well also what was that post credit scene has marvel really hit the

[01:18:48] in case of trouble press this button as i said in the Loki post i'm feeling cautiously optimistic

[01:18:54] well yeah exactly i think here these two post movie scenes are new avengers and the

[01:19:06] the x-men being introduced into the mc absolutely we knew the x-men was coming for a couple of

[01:19:11] years since since marvel got the rights back from fox of course um but i don't think it's an

[01:19:17] case of trouble press this button um type of situation for marvel it's a great way of introducing

[01:19:22] the x-men if you think about it because then you can have established x-men already out there

[01:19:27] you don't have to start out with everybody as x-men babies you know you can say wolverine is already

[01:19:33] 30 40 a hundred years old at like he is in the comics when he joins the x-men you don't have to

[01:19:38] explain why he hasn't appeared throughout the history of the mc unit you can say those characters

[01:19:44] all of the x-men existed another universe and now you're gonna bring the two together

[01:19:48] and that's what i think is gonna happen and i think the other thing as well you know we did kind of

[01:19:51] say well the x-men are in that that universe and not so much in the current one but in

[01:19:58] msm marvel we do hear that Kamala is a mutant and that is what is called out that yes that she

[01:20:04] has a mutation it she has a mutation yeah and so and it's just really that the x-men haven't formed

[01:20:11] potentially because this isn't widely understood and in terms of the powers and why they

[01:20:19] have them and it's been from that traditional superhero you know bite of a spider or an experiment

[01:20:28] gone wrong or what a half you so you know actually the hint of mutants has us being laid for the mc

[01:20:38] you with msm marvel yes because as you can see she is able to use her powers as you mentioned

[01:20:42] the growing of the of the massive light hand without the bangle which we thought originally the

[01:20:46] first couple of episodes of the show you thought the bangle were giving her the powers but actually

[01:20:50] she has the powers within her as a mutant so yeah so um yeah good stuff for leap thanks so much

[01:20:57] for the feedback absolutely and finally yes Doug Green also says i loved it i agree with

[01:21:03] philippe iman is adorable charming and perfect for the part of Kamala yeah she does just softens

[01:21:11] everything around her and makes it so much fun and she softens it she heightens it and she

[01:21:17] infuses it with fun like you say you know it she is just so good here and it's such a casting

[01:21:23] choice for me and it's kind of you know if it's the alchemy of casting they've just hit upon

[01:21:32] a pure nuggets of green absolutely and then apparently just so much fun on set she is she's just

[01:21:40] geeking out of it marvel with the director near the costa great fun on set she a great fun with

[01:21:45] brylarson as well apparently brylarson was the first person to call her to congratulate her and

[01:21:49] getting the role of of msm marvel before anybody else called her from the mcu it was a call directly

[01:21:56] from brylarson because she's so excited for her to join this world so iman valedicts be great

[01:22:02] i can't waste to see her being able to do a bit of press for this movie as well then as you

[01:22:07] are day two to time square at about two minutes past midnight when the actors try to finish just

[01:22:12] to go and say hello to everybody that was watching the marvels in the cinema so she's as excited

[01:22:16] as everybody else but just hasn't been able to talk about it so i want to see all these guys doing

[01:22:20] the press tour being able to talk about them did you see some of the press tour for this for

[01:22:24] the movie jump no no i didn't really catch it to be honest because one of the things i really

[01:22:28] liked was they were leading into the flakens and the press tour they had and the kitten actor who

[01:22:35] was playing goose answering questions for the movie and at the premiere they also had a kitten cafe

[01:22:41] live where you could go and play with with the kids very cute the only thing i did see was that

[01:22:46] this new sphere thing in vegas had goose projected on onto its surface which was pretty cute you

[01:22:55] have the laser dot there following around and sort of an explosion of tentacles being sort of

[01:23:02] shown on this sphere in vegas so i thought that was really good at a so cool very cool excellent stuff

[01:23:08] that's it for our coverage of the marvels thanks so much for those of you who are able to get your

[01:23:12] feedback in hope you enjoyed the marvels as much as we did but we have covered loads of other stuff

[01:23:16] on the podcasting case there's something else that might tickle your fancy as well we've just

[01:23:19] finished covering marvels low key season two all six parts of that show at finishing off this week

[01:23:25] and will be back in the multiverse with marbles what if season two coming up in December

[01:23:30] the animated second season of that show really look forward to seeing what stories they'll

[01:23:35] cover in the second season of what if and though as i mentioned earlier on there will only be one

[01:23:39] MCU movie in 2024 Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman coming to the MCU in Deadpool 3 as the rest of the

[01:23:46] MCU movies have all moved to 2024 including captain america brave new world blade and the thunderbolts

[01:23:51] all moving into 2025 from 2024 and our next live action MCU show will be the tv show

[01:24:00] echo with all episodes releasing on the 10th of January yeah 2024 five episodes last show

[01:24:08] they recently did the premiere um of they recently did a screening of the first couple of episodes

[01:24:14] of the tv show echo but all five episodes coming out on the 10th of January 2024 and we just

[01:24:19] seen the trailer for it last week and really cool trailer yeah very much like the Netflix

[01:24:25] defenders show which is where we started out with our defenders podcast as well

[01:24:29] for our marvel podcasts so we have a lot of affinity with with those Netflix at their level and

[01:24:34] defenders shows so very interested to see what they do with echo yeah excellent stuff great stuff

[01:24:40] lots of other stuff if you want to subscribe to the podcast on tvpodcastindustries.com you get

[01:24:45] access to all the other shows that we're covering things like gen v the boys star wars zoka and of course

[01:24:51] all the marvel tv shows including secretivation miss marvel and wonderful yeah and we also covered

[01:24:57] good omens as well if you like a bit of that as well yeah something completely different exactly great

[01:25:03] stuff thanks so much for joining us tati again next time yeah fellow defenders thank you for joining

[01:25:07] us for the movie podcast and going into the marvels until next time keep watching keep listening and

[01:25:15] keep defending higher further faster baby bye