Deadpool and Wolverine Movie Review

[00:00:00] This is Movies on TV Podcast Industries and we're back with our spoiler-filled discussion of Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm about to lose everything that I've ever cared about and I have no idea how to save it, but you do!

[00:00:14] Trust me kid, I know you. This Wolverine bled down his entire world. Well my entire world needs you. Shake on it. N-Gah! N-Nit it! Just got the tip with your little state knife!

[00:00:27] Snick, snick fellow defenders, welcome back to Movies on TV Podcast Industries where we're chatting all about Deadpool and Wolverine, the new movie from the guys that bring you the MCU Marvel Studios. I am one of your hosts Chris.

[00:00:53] Hello there fellow defenders. I am one of your other hosts John. I've just been listening to a mega box set of N-Yea. Guess what I've been doing? I'm your other host Derek. Welcome back everybody. Woohoo! Yes, welcome back to Movies on TV Podcast Industries.

[00:01:15] We are about to go through a spoiler-filled discussion of Deadpool and Wolverine in this corner of the multiverse. But unfortunately in this corner of the multiverse, I haven't seen the film yet. Such a part-time man. So I know it's terrible. Guys literally don't have a kid.

[00:01:39] Don't blame Miles. It's cruise with your hobbies. I was like oh yeah, well I could bring him with me but then I get nuts. When you bring a 14-month-old into an R-rated film, honestly it's not going to be good.

[00:01:54] And when that kid then runs around with this samurai sword in a Deadpool movie, you get more looks. So it was a loose, loose situation. But fear not my fellow defenders. You are going to be spoiled rotten with our spoiler-filled discussion from my two co-hosts

[00:02:13] because they have seen it, they have thought and oh they're going to be juicy. But fear not beyond that. Head on over to Facebook.com. Slash groups. Slash TV Podcast Industries. And as soon as I have seen this film, I will have very serious thoughts and opinions.

[00:02:33] Any knife. Well you very much hope you enjoy Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm sure we'll hear from you as well when you've seen us and let us know what you think of it. I think you'll enjoy it. Yes. Probably. You be gone sir, leave us to do a two-hander.

[00:02:51] Yes. There I say it. I hope everyone enjoyed this cameo because I'm pretty sure you enjoyed it. There might be one or two. There may be one or two. Who knows? But that's us cameo from me. Thank you so much and for now, goodbye. Bye Chris.

[00:03:09] See you Chris. Thanks Chris for the cameo. I guess we're Chris Garn back to his multiverse. Of madness. Of madness exactly. Of absolute chaos and madness. Imagine not actually seeing Deadpool and Wolverine by now. I know. He calls himself a defender.

[00:03:26] He calls himself a Deadpool fan as well. Well you know, there's something to be said about that because I'm not entirely convinced that he's seen all of the Spider-Man movies as well. He has a shock horror. He has to see him at a cinema.

[00:03:38] It might be a cinema. But I think he's seen them at home now. I know he didn't get to go to the cinema until it was out of the cinema. He didn't get a chance to go last time. Hot time. Hot time.

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[00:05:14] where we have discussion threads and comments for all the shows and movies that we cover. Exactly. With that, I think let us get into our spoiler filled discussion of the Marvel movie, Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:05:28] Derek, what are some of the movie details? Who gave us what we're wearing, how and why? I guess that includes Kevin Feige. It does include Kevin Feige and interestingly a lot of people don't know that Feige was actually involved in the movies

[00:05:43] way before the MCU was set up, way before the first Marvel Studios film Iron Man was set up. He was involved in all of these movies. He was a consultant all the way back.

[00:05:52] So he is involved in the Fox universe of movies as well, even though it's not something that was connected to him. He wasn't responsible for them like he is now, but he's always been involved in these.

[00:06:03] So yeah, Kevin Feige production bringing the Fox universe of characters into the MCU really. But on top of that, the director for this movie is Sean Levy. He directed Ryan Reynolds in Free Guy and the Adam Project, which were both recently released in the last couple of years.

[00:06:20] And he also directed Hugh Jackman in Real Steel, John. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So he directed both of them in previous projects. But it seems like he is Ryan Reynolds' partner in crime in terms of directing. This is the third director on the Deadpool movies.

[00:06:34] He hasn't directed one of them before. So after working with him on Free Guy and the Adam Project, he came over with him to this Marvel movie. Excellent stuff. Yeah. The 35th, I think MCU movie actually. Yeah. Well, it's only very connected in this time around for Deadpool.

[00:06:50] The first Deadpool movie in the Marvel universe after the Fox movies, I guess after they purchased Fox. So yeah. And this movie was written by Rhett Reese who wrote Deadpool 1 and 2 along with Paul Wernick who wrote Deadpool 1 and 2.

[00:07:04] Ryan Reynolds of course involved in Deadpool 1 and 2 and the writer of both of those. Director Sean Levi also has a writing credit for the movie as well. And Zeb Wells is on board as a writer here as well.

[00:07:14] He wrote the other fourth wall breaking character, She-Hulk, attorney at Law. He wrote episode 7 which you'll remember is the one where they go to Emile Blanski's Retrieze. A really fun episode of She-Hulk as well. And also he wrote on Robot Chicken for many, many years. Excellent stuff.

[00:07:29] Yeah, great stuff. I haven't seen Robot Chicken in ages. Yeah. I think the last one was probably one of their Star Wars parody ones. Well, I know it's a bit sporadic now. It's not like a regular series like it used to be but yeah. Okay, excellent stuff.

[00:07:43] There you go. So Zeb Wells joining the writing team for this one. But that makes sense. You'd have somebody that works in the Marvel universe because all these previous movies

[00:07:51] had been just in the Fox universe not connecting into storylines of things that were going on in the MCU. So bring on somebody that's written for some of the TV shows or some of the MCU movies. It makes total sense, doesn't it? Yep, definitely.

[00:08:02] Well, John, do you want to tell us what they gave us? With your synopsis for Deadpool and Wolverine. Little knight. As Scoutmaster Kevin once said across from the campfire, Wade Wilson, the merc with a mouth finds his world turned upside down when the Time Variance Authority, the TVA,

[00:08:22] reveals that his timeline is collapsing due to the death of Logan, aka Wolverine, who is essential to its stability. Tassed with finding a replacement Wolverine, Wade embarks on a multiverse adventure filled with chaos and unexpected alliances.

[00:08:40] After encountering various Logan variants and facing off against the powerful Cassandra Nova, Wade and a reluctant Logan team up with a resistance group led by Electra Natius to confront Nova and her army of Deadpool variants.

[00:08:56] A high stakes battle ensues with Wade and Logan making the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the Time Ripper and save the multiverse. In a surprising twist, Logan chooses to retire rather than disrupt the timeline while Wade reunites with his ex-girlfriend Vanessa.

[00:09:13] The film concludes with a humorous post-credits scene featuring Jommy Storm adding a final comedic touch to the action packed adventure. Yeah, Scoutmaster Kevin, you remember him? I wasn't sure what you were referencing there, John. From the movie, The Innuendo? Oh well of course, yes. Of a dodgy Scoutmaster?

[00:09:33] Yep, there's lots and lots of Innuendo. In this instance called Kevin, but purely hypothetical. Of course, of course. There's lots and lots of Innuendo in this movie of course and lots of straight-out Innuendo, I guess as well. Definitely.

[00:09:48] I think from sort of rubbing the bone, so to speak, in that lovely opening sequence which I think is our point one. Which I think we'll get into our top five points for this Deadpool movie. Point one, digging up the rotting corpse of Wolvie. Yes.

[00:10:14] Yes, this is the bye-bye-bye dance. Yes, it is absolutely. There's a lot of people who are a little bit concerned that after Wolverine had finished off on a movie that effectively

[00:10:24] if it didn't win an Oscar, I don't think it did, but it was the one comic book movie that was going to be nominated for Oscars. Of all of the X-Men series, of all of the Fox characters.

[00:10:35] I know that in the MCU we've had Black Panther which was nominated for Oscar, but this was the one. The Logan was the movie that set up the character really well, was really emotional, really emotional's tale of Wolverine and X-23.

[00:10:50] And a lot of people were really concerned that him coming back for this would ruin that story. So they start off right here with Deadpool going to dig up the corpse of Wolverine and in commentary over the top of it, he's like, look, he's got regeneration powers.

[00:11:07] I know this artworks, he's not going to be rotting in the grave, he's going to be alive and then we see the rotted corpse of Wolverine. We see the adamantium skeleton basically and Wade Wilson puppeting it away. It's so funny. Oh, I guess he is dead, isn't he?

[00:11:23] Yeah, it is so funny. And I mean it's interesting because when the TVA do turn up and he says, how many bones is there in a human body? And I was like, why? What's that got to do?

[00:11:34] And then I was like, oh no, because it's got the adamantium bone structure effect of Wolverine. So it's like each of the bones is a weapon which he then uses to really great effect.

[00:11:46] And indeed, as I say, he does sort of old handle the bone in a rather suggestive moment. So I just really, more than rather suggestive it is actually exactly he's stroking the bone, literally. Yeah, very much so.

[00:12:03] It gets a really funny sequence and using NSYNC as the background while he's doing the By My By Dance as he's killing lots of TVA agencies using the adamantium bones of Wolverine.

[00:12:15] It was a really good opening but I do like that there was a bit of respect paid to Logan. I knew this was going to be a comedy movie obviously. It wasn't going to be that down and dirty serious movie like Logan was.

[00:12:27] So how do you do that? You open up with your main character going, we're not going to peel over your memories of Logan. We're going to pay a little bit of respect to it but have the rotting corpse of Wolverine

[00:12:40] puppeted by Wade was very funny and this opening sequence. But this is all leading up to the story of what's happened to Wade Wilson since Deadpool 2. We find out in some flashbacks after this scene that he was going to join,

[00:12:57] he wanted to join the Avengers directly after Deadpool 2 so that was back in 2018 when Deadpool 2 came out. Around the time of the blip I guess was around that kind of 2018 or at least before the blip. So it was before the Avengers became the big world saving,

[00:13:16] universe saving team when they took on Thanos. So it's around that time. Absolutely and I mean you know for me I don't think this changes Logan whatsoever. I absolutely love Logan. For me it is probably my favorite X-Men movie that ever came out.

[00:13:35] I love just the intimacy office and kind of watching it there recently. The fact that they are in a wood, a pine forest where he does die and sacrifices himself for those mutant kids and it's like there's a respect in that really picking up halfway

[00:13:58] If for no other reason then you would probably want to dig his skeleton up in order to scavenge the adamantium. I just like the fact that his teeth were still in so it was kind of like his skeleton

[00:14:15] but with a proper full set of gnashes but not like skeleton gnashes. They still had a good old polish and went to the dentist every six months. They kind of looked a bit too perfect but that was just the thing.

[00:14:33] Even the fact that it felt the design of the skeleton looked like there was a little bit of wispy hair still on the top. But more than just wispy it felt like it was that kind of slightly spiky short cropped hair.

[00:14:48] Still fulfilling the Wolverine shape of the hair. It was really good and I actually love the fact that this movie touched on one of my favourite X-Men movies which is Logan and even to the point of having X-23 back as well which I know will come too later.

[00:15:06] Really really good. Yeah absolutely but Wade himself is on the rocks as well. I've lost everything. Vanessa's left him because after the big adventure that happened in Deadpool 2 she's not seeing it. He has no drive anymore for doing anything else so he's trying to get into the Avengers

[00:15:24] to give himself that drive back and maybe keep Vanessa around. He doesn't. He becomes a car salesman with Peter who he'd saved at the end of Deadpool 2. I'd say it's not worked out the way he thought.

[00:15:36] I think that he's got his birthday coming up. It's running through the motions here. Even Vanessa's there but she's seeing someone else. It's all a bit bittersweet really. It's all thoroughly, at least for Wade Wilson. It's mundane. There's no excitement. The Avengers thing hasn't happened.

[00:15:59] It's the usual grouping of people so for him it's like time has gone by and nothing's really happened. Exactly. There is a good gag there with John Favreau reprising his role as Happy Hogan

[00:16:10] meeting with Deadpool because Tony Stark's not going to come down and meet people like you for interview which is basically Robert Downey Jr won't do a cameo in your movie. This is what's being said there. Although he might now as we just heard of a comic on

[00:16:24] he's back in the MCU for multiple, multiple millions of dollars. Yeah. 80 million is the estimated cost to get him back into the MCU. Love to see his Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom is one of my favorite characters. So it'll be really interesting to see what he does.

[00:16:43] It will be, yes. Yes. But you did think you might see Robert Downey Jr popping in for a little gag here. There's loads of photographs around Happy Hogan's room of Tony Stark, of Pepper Potts as well. Establishing this is the discussion to be part of the MCU.

[00:16:58] But it's a good gag. It's a good gag anyway. You mentioned them already John, but let's go on to point number two how the story progresses really. Our point number two. The TVA hires Deadpool. So Time Variant's authority are back from Loki season one and two.

[00:17:17] I'm really pleased about this because like I really enjoyed Loki both seasons and I think you know how'd you get the TVA in here. And I think having Wade Wilson taking the piss out of this bureaucratic monster of an organization in TVA

[00:17:36] is almost like a shot of adrenaline in the arm for the TVA. And I really enjoyed that juxtaposition of the pen pushers being sort of forced to deal with the merc with the mouth.

[00:17:50] And I have to say here with the introduction of Mr. Paradox as well with Matthew McFadden. Yes, yes. Absolutely from succession. But just so so good. I loved the fact that the man in the suit.

[00:18:07] There are a few moments where I just thought he was going to get sort of blown away by the gun of Wade Wilson you know sort of a bit later on that both him and Wolverine were going to take out Mr. Paradox.

[00:18:20] Now I don't know anything about the character really. But I like the fact that he was always there. Yes. And actually was standing up to them in a way was kind of going about his own plan with the time ripper. Yes.

[00:18:39] And I've kind of enjoyed Matthew McFadden because I mean he's been on British TV a bit later. I think he's Australian actually but he seems to do you know British accent British sort of you know cop, upperclass whatever it might be really really well.

[00:18:54] I think he was in some kind of period piece. Okay. But I just really like his sensibility. Yes. Certainly as a man in a suit. Yeah. You could sense him channeling the you know the succession element. Absolutely.

[00:19:12] In what he did but it was it was just more hyped up. It was over eggs but in a really good way and I thought it really played into you know a Deadpool movie really well. Yeah. Yeah. Really enjoyed seeing Matthew McFadden here.

[00:19:27] He's so he's so good on succession. He's one of those standout characters. I just wonder what the heck he's going to say every time he opens his mouth. He's always an interesting character to watch.

[00:19:36] So so really glad to see him here and he's the one that's kind of pushing forward the the plot and bringing them on board.

[00:19:42] So effectively they come to take out Wade Wilson to take him into the TVA take him out of his timeline because the timeline is about to be wiped due to the loss of Logan from the timeline because Wolverine sacrificed himself and died.

[00:19:57] Their timeline is going to be wiped out. Yeah. So it's going to be a central character to that universe. That's it. They almost bring in a new concept.

[00:20:04] It's not a keystone species but it's almost like Wolverine in that timeline is the keystone personality superhero of that timeline with him dead. There's no point keeping it going. So they're going to prune it and wipe it.

[00:20:24] But Mr. Paradox kind of just wants to do it in a more efficient way with this time ripper but can do it across multiple timelines that need to be done rather than this slow process. Again, it's the bureaucratic thing of oh we must increase efficiency. Exactly.

[00:20:44] It's all of that kind of thing. Paradox is looking for emotion basically so he's going to wipe the timeline in 72 hours instead of a year. That's kind of the way he says it.

[00:20:52] But the meta-cobbetry here, the joke here of course is that the Fox universe has been bought by Disney and they bought the rights back effectively. And you'll probably have noticed that we've covered a couple of shows that were on FX in the last year like Shogun for example.

[00:21:06] When something stands on its own and is able to make the money they'll continue to produce it through that channel. What they're saying here is Logan is the epitome of X-Men movies of that X franchise of movies.

[00:21:18] You'll never be able to do anything better with it so we're just going to absorb that whole universe into the MCU now. That's the kind of meta idea that they've come up with here for the story.

[00:21:26] Exactly and we're pruning the Fox timeline but taking the characters and this is what they're doing by taking Wade Wilson. Exactly, exactly.

[00:21:36] But in the story, in the movie itself, I just want to quickly call out the actual taking from the TVA, taking Wade Wilson from his party where he's surrounded by all of his friends.

[00:21:48] He takes that little Polaroid picture with all of his friends there and he gets taken out of that universe. Just want to jump into it just for fans of welcome to Wrexham and his partner in crime there Rob McElhaney who works in that reality show.

[00:22:02] The two of them bought a football team in the UK together but they even on that show they referenced the Rob McElhaney will be in the movie here. Now he is credited as TVA agent.

[00:22:12] We think it's the guy in the background when they all are talking to Wade and he's telling them all that basically he's going to have sex with them all that he thinks they're there dressed up as a party favor.

[00:22:22] Yeah, and he mentions one specifically who has goggles on. Exactly. The goggles hide the face and so we're assuming that that is Rob McElhaney. Yeah, especially because his joke to him is while we're having sex we're going to be making eye contact the whole time.

[00:22:38] And so I think he's trying to make Rob McElhaney break up laughing and that's it. Definitely. But because of this recruitment, it's not really what Wade Wilson is thinking of because by pruning that timeline it means all the people that he does care about including Vanessa

[00:22:56] are going to perish as well. Exactly.

[00:23:00] And they aren't being saved by the TVA so he has to go he kind of rebels against the offer here and needs to travel then into the multiverse in order to find another Wolverine that can inhabit the timeline and maintain that timeline. Exactly.

[00:23:23] And so we're going to replace Logan so we get tons and tons of Wolverine variants across the timeline. There's some great ones in here as well I think my favorite definitely is the comic accuracy Wolverine who's Hugh Jackman only five foot two, which is very good.

[00:23:40] I do like the touch with all the Wolves there that one of them is the Henry Cavill Wolverine as well.

[00:23:46] Nice little nod to Henry Cavill just being an awesome sort of generally good dude and the fact that he's been, I guess, banjaxed by DC in the same way that Ryan Reynolds had kind of made fun of the Green Lantern in the previous movie.

[00:24:04] And so I like that Cavill is up for this really. And doesn't Ryan Reynolds say, Oh come with us. They'll treat you so much nicer over there than they did over in your last place. Yeah. So nice little poking fun at that as well. Yeah.

[00:24:19] So I really enjoyed that. But all them effectively attack Deadpool the minute they see them until he finally finds one that's drunken off to fall asleep before he attacks Deadpool and then brings him back with him to the TVA.

[00:24:32] And he learns really brings that Wolverine back. This is the worst Wolverine of all timelines. This is someone that let all of his friends die or wasn't there to save all of his friends. So he has to drag him around with them.

[00:24:44] And because of that, Mr. Paradox goes, Will you effectively didn't accomplish the goal that we'd set for you? It didn't do what we wanted you to do. So prunes them both from the universe and they're sent off to the void.

[00:24:56] And then I enjoyed going to the void as well. Yeah, it was really fun going to the void. Wasn't it? We should move on to our point number three. Point number three, the Fox universe in the void.

[00:25:12] And I think just because we've probably seen Furiosa recently, I absolutely loved the skit on Mad Max in the void with it's dystopian feel at least within the Deadpool movies and looking very much like it's in a desert.

[00:25:30] It's so crazy isn't that like, you know, when this movie was being made, of course, Furiosa was being made the sequel to Mad Max Fury Road or the prequel to Mad Max Fury Road.

[00:25:39] The must have thought, well, there's no way that's going to be the big summer movie. That's, you know, follow up from Fury Road, which was a massive underground success. It made way more money than anybody expected.

[00:25:49] So it must have thought Furiosa is going to blow the box off as wide open. Everybody's going to know this reference by the time we get there when they were making the movie.

[00:25:57] And then that was in the cinema for about two and a half weeks and just didn't do very well. And it's a really good movie. Yeah, absolutely. If you enjoyed Fury Road, go see Furiosa.

[00:26:08] But they are definitely referencing because they probably thought this was going to be the other big movie of the summer. So so I wonder, I wonder how that's landed with it didn't see that movie.

[00:26:17] I mean, I think just generally them referencing Mad Max as well, you know, it's more general and everyone knows Mad Max. So like I just I love that. I just immediately the sense of humor from that was superb.

[00:26:31] I love then and the fact that there's always the danger of Alioth being in here and we do see later on. And I know there so that's the big black smoke monster with the red eyes kind of purpley smoke month black, dark purple. I guess. Exactly. Or whatever.

[00:26:54] And who we saw in Loki and again, you know, they're kind of they kind of call this stuff out because you're never sure who in your audience is going to have seen all of the things you're referencing. So they do call it quite specifically to camera.

[00:27:05] This is Loki episode five from season one. Do you remember? So so Ryan Reynolds doesn't even trust the audience to catch that that one. He's going to specifically tell you where to go and look for it as well. Yeah.

[00:27:17] But I mean, there's so many good things that go on in the void. I mean, this film is absolutely balls deep in cameos. So much. But I love the twist around the cameo of everyone, at least in our screening going, oh my goodness, it's Cap America here.

[00:27:37] You know, Chris Evans is back. He's been saying for years he's never going to play Captain America again. Here he is right there. Here he is. And then it's like it's the human torch. Yeah, like flame on. I'm like that is fantastic. Absolutely. A little twist here. Yeah.

[00:27:53] And the fact that he doesn't survive and effectively them. You know, the main bad guy here, Cassandra Nova, who's Xavier's twin and who Deadpool is kind of saying, you know, oh, well, the human torch here has been sort of bad male.

[00:28:12] Thing you all the way through as, you know, after we've been captured and being brought here. And it's going through all the insults that the human torch has has said about Cassandra Nova. And then she just kind of thinks something and you see all his skin drop off.

[00:28:28] The big eyes. It's like a rain effect. Yeah, it's still a lot like kind of just move on his mouth and then he crumples to the ground. Yeah.

[00:28:38] And you have I love the fact that this plays into the post credit scene as well because you have human torch really saying, no, I didn't say any of this.

[00:28:47] This is all just Deadpool the merc with the mouth just mouthing off in order to buy some time to extract sort of come up with a plan while he's got them otherwise engaged with the fact that he's just, you know, it's verbal diarrhea here.

[00:29:05] And you kind of believe that. And I love the fact that it goes back to when they're in kind of the globe like sort of Mad Max prison.

[00:29:15] Yeah, being transported to Cassandra's main base and you hear the human torch bad mouth in Cassandra in exactly the way that Deadpool recounts. And so I love that. It's fantastic. It's fantastic.

[00:29:31] And again, it shows you the other side of Chris Evans were so used to seeing Chris Evans as Captain America for so long. But you know, in movies like Scott Pilgrim versus the world, he has a very different character in fantastic for his appearance as human torch.

[00:29:46] He is a very different character than Captain America. So giving him the opportunity to have this. It's almost a one take speech that he has to get through and you can see there's a cheekiness in Chris Evans when he's delivering that where he's going.

[00:29:58] Nobody's going to believe this is coming out of my mouth, you know, as great as the post credit scene. But there are so many other cameos and characters. Let's talk about the main resistance group that are here because these are all surprises to me.

[00:30:13] There have been so many rumors about how many actors and how many people were going to be appearing in the movie. But it does contain itself to being a movie about the Fox universe and saying goodbye to that universe. Absolutely.

[00:30:26] And in that sense, it's a really nice kind of almost love letter to those movies. I mean, we have Electro Natios from the worst from literally the worst movie. And it's a shame they didn't have Daredevil or the Punisher or Ghost Riser.

[00:30:43] But like, I think that would have been awesome. I know they are only ever going to be able to get so many and it all depends on schedules and just the willingness. Oh, you're totally right.

[00:30:54] It would have been great to have all of them in there, but they do get a great joke in about why Daredevil not being there. He was part of the resistance but was killed by Cassandra in the past and Electro kind of going,

[00:31:05] there's no real loss there because of course Jennifer Garner famously was married to Ben Affleck at one point. So having the two of them on screen together is probably not going to happen. Well, that's true. But a great little gag there as well. But you're right.

[00:31:18] You know, I'd love to have seen Ghost Rider in there. Ghost Rider is well back in Marvel now. He appeared in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a character before as well. And we already have lots of other Punishers out there.

[00:31:28] But again, Punisher also gets a mention in there too. Yeah, no, absolutely. I'll get a mention. You know, you've got Blade there as well with mostly snipes which are really great to see. Yep, saying his famous line. Nobody ever ice skates uphill. Always trying to ice skate uphill.

[00:31:45] Sorry, yes. For me as well, I just felt it was so good that X-23 was back with Daphne Keane. I thought, you know, again she played X-23 so well in Logan. So young as well.

[00:32:01] I loved her being in the middle of Logan and Xavier with Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart. And to me as well, it's kind of that heart of this movie. Yes, it's there with Deadpool and Spades. But there's another section here.

[00:32:19] Like you're saying about the integrity of Logan being carried through in this movie. And she, I love the fact that that real serious kind of introspection of Wolverine at the campfire, wondering what the hell he's doing, given that he's technically the worst Wolverine in the world.

[00:32:39] And those real meaningful moments for Wolverine are between him and X-23. Exactly. I thought it was so, so good. Yeah. I loved their relationship in Logan and I do get, I just felt the sense of that carrying over in this movie as well.

[00:32:57] And I thought it was a real standout for the scenes that they were in together for me in this movie. And I really, really enjoyed it. Definitely. And you know, that's the importance of bringing back Daphne Keane.

[00:33:08] She's there as X-23 to save Wolverine who saved her in their adventure together before she got prudent, I guess, and put into the void. But it's really important, I think it works really, really well. She's, I'd almost say she's the real character of everybody else that's there.

[00:33:25] I think this lovely touches with the Fox characters being brought in there. The idea that the reason why Elektra and Blade are fighting as the resistance against Cassandra Nova is to give them a real ending which they never really got within the Fox universe.

[00:33:39] Interesting little side note that Ryan Reynolds, of course, appeared in Blade III, taking on a lot of the acting duties when apparently Wesley Snipes wasn't coming out of his trailer many days.

[00:33:52] So there is a little gag in the background there where Blade tells Deadpool he always hated him. And Ryan kind of says, yeah me too.

[00:34:00] So there is a little joke between the two of them having lots of tension on the set of Blade III in the earlier days. Absolutely. There is one other big member of the resistance that I absolutely loved,

[00:34:10] which is finally on screen that we have Gambas being played by Channing Tatum. A version of Gambit never realized, but it was definitely in the papers or in the trade press for about six years that he was attached to the Gambit movie.

[00:34:30] And what they do with him in here is hilarious. He even says at one point, I think I was born here because his movie was never released. Nobody knows who he is, but the whole joke of it is that he was there.

[00:34:41] Everybody thought he was eventually going to make this movie and they even give him that terrible accent from his version of a Cajun accent. What's the joke from Deadpool? Who's your accent coach? Was the Minions? Yeah, you sound like a Minion.

[00:35:03] There's moments where you just can't understand a word that he's saying. Channing Tatum is such a great comedic actor. Go watch 21 Jump Streets and 22 Jump Streets. He's hilarious in both of those movies, but he really brings it here knowing that this could have been a real movie

[00:35:19] back in the late 90s, early 2000s. This could have been a real movie with him playing Gambas. Here he is wearing the full costume doing the awesome exploding pirate powers, which are terrible powers, but they do use it to great effect.

[00:35:33] I think in the big battle sequence we see a lecture, we see Blade, we see X-23, we see Gambas all fighting side by side, Wolverine and Deadpool. It's a great little scene that where they're all fighting in order to sort of buy time

[00:35:49] so they can try and defeat Cassandra here. But I think they even show how cool the exploding cards of Gambas can be. He attaches ones to the back of four people that are around him and then it explodes them all at the same time.

[00:36:03] It's cool, looks like something from the intro of X-Men 97. Very cool stuff, very cool. But that's the resistance fighters that are there. Yeah, absolutely. There's a ton of villains as well, like loads. In effect, they're all quite other than Cassandra. Most of them are real cameos.

[00:36:22] They're kind of just there for a few scenes. There's Pyro and Toad. Sabertooth is the one I recognize coming back from one of the earlier Wolverine movies. Yes, played by Tyler Mayne. Yeah. One of the first ones from one of the first X-Men movies.

[00:36:38] Toad was in the first X-Men movie, and Pyro was in the first or second. I like that Juggernaut looks like he's slimmed down compared to all the other movies. Even the Last Dead Pool movie. Yeah.

[00:36:50] It's like he's gone on a keto diet or something, but retained his helmet, which is very important for their plan to escape the void. Cassandra is keeping them here because when they put that on her, it will dampen her powers so that they can escape the void.

[00:37:18] And it's like Magneto's helmet, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. But he's already dead, apparently, according to what they say. Can we talk quickly about Cassandra Nova though? Yeah.

[00:37:28] Played by Emma Coren, who we remember when they were on Pennyworth first season, and then went on to work on The Crown after that. A very well respected actor has won lots and lots of awards, and here they are playing Cassandra Nova, Xavier's twin.

[00:37:44] So we haven't heard about Cassandra Nova in any of the movie universes before, but yes, this is a comic book character. Cassandra Nova is this twin that effectively Xavier killed in the womb before she was born, and then she transferred her consciousness out of the womb.

[00:37:58] She's that powerful, but has very much the same power set as Xavier. If you're not going to bring Patrick Stewart back, well, you bring his female twin back, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think she was really good in this. She was superb.

[00:38:12] And there's one specific thing I absolutely love about her that they did for this, which is her messing with people's minds by putting her finger through their faces or fingers through their faces or behind their faces. Oh, absolutely. It's such a cool effect. It was superb.

[00:38:30] Isn't there even the joke from Pyro there going, well, you just ask me, I don't want your fingers inside my head. Yeah. You know? It was phenomenal. It looked phenomenal. It looked like, I don't know. I kind of wanted to scratch my brain.

[00:38:45] I felt like I could feel what was happening, this idea that she was sort of furtling around inside someone's head.

[00:38:54] And it was just the way, you know, with the hand in there, the eye, you know, and moving around how the eyes bumped up or the nose or whatever. I thought it was done to really, really good effect.

[00:39:09] And I absolutely loved it when she applied it to Mr. Paradox.

[00:39:13] And I don't, I think, you know, Matthew McFadden's head massage, the acting here, given it was CGI, it's, I don't know, it's like the eyes his face reacted wherever Cassandra's hands went and it looked phenomenal even though that was purely imaginary. Yeah.

[00:39:36] And it was, you know, in terms of this is going to be how it will look and CGI'd and then Bosch. I think Matthew McFadden also just has the face for it. Maybe, yeah, maybe that's what it was. I just thought it was really phenomenally good.

[00:39:52] I loved it. I loved that whole sequence. And just then where she's dragging him, he's kind of like, he's kind of gone like a rag doll. Yeah. He's dragged down to the time ripper machine. Yeah. Really, really cool effect.

[00:40:05] I guess this is what happens when you go from doing three Marvel movies a year and three series to one Marvel movie Echo that came out as a series this year. Agatha Longwood's coming out later this year and the Marvels last year.

[00:40:18] You have your CGI studios, the studios that do all the special effects are able to actually work and accomplish all of the all the jobs that were here by not being overworked with eight different projects in one year. Absolutely.

[00:40:34] So I guess that's why the special effects to me anyway, they definitely stood up to the movie. Absolutely. There was also a little notion of a variant Doctor Strange being trapped in the void as well with the sling ring. Yes.

[00:40:48] That they actually Wolverine and Deadpool use in order to escape the void and from the oncoming alias who is approaching Cassandra's kind of base this. Yeah. She does give them their way out, doesn't she?

[00:41:04] She because of the relationship her brother had had Wolverine, she gives them an opportunity to escape and sends them back to their own universe.

[00:41:13] Her plan though is that she's going to steal the universe ripper from the TVA and wipe out everything but the void where she is effectively the leader of the void. She's the one that sell herself up as queen of the void, let's say.

[00:41:25] And again, I like the kind of meta idea why do we have to keep the MCU? Why can't we keep the Fox universe? You know, why does their universe get to destroy ours? Why can't we take all theirs out?

[00:41:36] I think again we hear Wade Wilson commenting on the less than successful last couple of movies from the MCU. Can we just call this call an end to it and just move on with other movies?

[00:41:48] So I think that's also Cassandra's plan. If she gets her way, we'll never see the end of phase five. We'll have to just move on with other movies. Hopefully featuring those characters will be her plan effectively.

[00:41:59] But she lets them all let them go back to their own universe using the sling ring. But you're right. Yeah, there must be a very Doctor Strange that must have appeared there at some point. Yeah, she does say. Yeah. Excellent stuff.

[00:42:11] Let us get on to our fourth point. I think let us get on to point four. All the Deadpool's back in the world of the TVA.

[00:42:27] So we have now this race to get to the time ripper to either destroy it or to use it in order to wipe everything but the void. Yes. But all the Deadpool's are thrown at them. Yes, they're working for Cassandra the Deadpool core effectively.

[00:42:48] We did meet two of them already that we didn't mention. Let's mention them here because they're two of my favorites. Nice pool. Effectively Ryan Reynolds at his most Canadian. You can hear him just being really super polite all the time.

[00:43:03] Even gives Deadpool his car when they meet each other in the void. And basically Deadpool wants to steal his dog, which is the other coolest Deadpool dog pool job. What do you think of dog pool?

[00:43:19] I was there kind of going, oh my goodness, the meth really hit Scooby Doo hard on this. And then I was like, it's actually questioning the reality of it all. I was like, is that CGI or is that a real dog?

[00:43:36] And then I was like, it's kind of flip flopping between the two of them. Oh no, it's a real dog. Oh my goodness. It looks like that the tongue is like that. Or then I was like, are they CGIing just the tongue?

[00:43:49] So it's just like sort of exaggerated and then the whole tonguing between the dog and Deadpool. I was like, oh my God. As he's talking and then the dog is licking his tongue while he's talking and then Ryan Reynolds licks the dog's tongue back.

[00:44:07] It's just, is this real? This is actually happening. I know. I was just like, but I mean, Furge is obviously, you know, Ryan Reynolds does like a good old French kiss from a pooch. So I guess like it, he kind of liked it.

[00:44:24] Either that or he got oral thrush. Or something to it, something really sort of scummy. But like it was just what is going on here. And just each time it was like, it was just the tonguing. I was like, oh my goodness.

[00:44:43] In fact, when he had the Deadpool mask on, I was like going, oh thank God for that. Because like at least it's just licking the top of it. But Furge is, you know, that is dedication to the craft. It certainly is. It certainly is.

[00:44:59] And I was right John that we came out of the cinema after watching the movie and I was asking, I wonder where they fanned the dog? The dog had won, I think it's the UK contest for Britain's ugliest dogs.

[00:45:09] So I think that it was the winner of the previous year or the winner when they were casting and they got through the years. So it just looked unreal. But Furge used to the pooch. It's gone to all of the red carpets.

[00:45:22] It was probably in more money in that movie than I will ever earn in my entire lifetime. So, you know. And rightly so. It's a very, very cute and very, very weird dog. You know, the kind of thing they always say about Deadpool

[00:45:34] is that he pushes the joke so far that eventually it comes back from not being funny. Well, that's effectively what Dogpool is like. He's gone past the point of being an ugly pooch to actually being cute again by the end of the movie.

[00:45:46] But yes, let's talk about all the rest of the Deadpool. It's not going to go through them all. There are apparently a hundred different variants of Deadpool's that are coming to take down Wade and Logan when they've arrived back. We have the standoff between them.

[00:46:03] We have Wolverine and Deadpool on one side. Nicepool is coming towards Deadpool. And then the rest of this gang of a hundred other variants are coming towards them. And Deadpool grabs Nicepool and uses him as a human shield between all the Deadpool's coming on.

[00:46:19] It is hilarious how badly killed Nicepool gets by all of the rest of the Deadpool. Well, in the end, as well, his head has blown off. So I mean, that was really funny. I mean, it kind of looked like, you know, almost Tarzan-esque

[00:46:37] in terms of with the locks as well. Oh, with his amazing hair. Yeah. I expected him to be swinging through the trees of a jungle, to be honest. But yeah, it was really good. I loved him using Nicepool as a shield.

[00:46:55] I love the whole sequence of both him and Wolvie, sort of the slow motion montage of all the Deadpool killing. Only for them to come to the end of it, you know, like triumphant and then they'll get back up again because they've regenerated

[00:47:11] yet seemingly Nicepool isn't able to regenerate. They're the only one there that can't regenerate. So I like that. Did you see the regeneration? They went back to the Deadpool 2 joke where some of them had really small arms, baby arms. I couldn't, I could the last one.

[00:47:25] I thought that was a great touch. It was a really good touch. Yeah. And in amongst all of those Deadpool's, at least the one for me I thought was really good was the Welshpool or Welsh Deadpool played by Paul Mullins from Wrexham.

[00:47:39] And obviously Ryan Reynolds along with Rob McElhaney owning that club. Yeah. And of course, with the associated documentary on that. So that was really good to see Super Paul Mullins. Well not seeing him, but know that Super Paul Mullins was the Welsh Deadpool.

[00:47:58] Yes, it was in the costume and Ryan Reynolds wife, Blake Lively, plays Lady Deadpool. Very good. Very cool. I know the couple of ones that I didn't notice at the time, but Headpool, the one that's floating around all the way through. That's Nathan Fillian. Excellent.

[00:48:14] Yes, because he is used as a weapon by Deadpool at one point. He is. I was really like, and then yes, the cowboy Deadpool is Matthew McConaughey. Of course. Of course it is. Like that's what you do when you're an actor like Ryan Reynolds.

[00:48:29] You call up all your friends and go just record a line here for me. We're going to put you in the Deadpool movie. You get a credit. Couple of quids. That's your way as well. Remember Brad Pitt was in the last one for a millisecond.

[00:48:41] So yeah, love it. But this massive battle is, I thought it was really well done. I loved having all of this. It was super. Something that you're kind of waiting for the whole time when the resistance group that are in the void are telling them,

[00:48:53] you don't want to run into the Deadpool core and you go, oh, I want to see the Deadpool core. I want to see them arrive. And they really paid so much attention to each other. There's loads of other versions.

[00:49:02] We're never going to be able to get around to call them all out, but there's loads of other versions of Deadpool that you see in the comics that you see in other versions and I've seen in the past. So quite cool to have them all on screen here.

[00:49:12] And the entire resolution to this is that Peter pool arrives. Yeah, absolutely. He has squeezed into that outfit. Wow. Pack in his packed lunch quite substantially. Yes. Yes. But Peter is the one friend of Deadpool across all multiverse,

[00:49:37] across all variants that every one of them respect and like because he's so absolutely normal. It's simply it. Him being a car salesman at the beginning of the movie with Wade Wilson just makes sense that kind of character. He would be a car salesman. Absolutely.

[00:49:52] He'd be doing any type of normal job, but they all love him and all respect him. So they stop fighting amongst each other and stop trying to kill Wade and Logan, right? Yeah, exactly. But shall we move on from Peter pool and his crotch hugging outfit

[00:50:10] as well as all the other Deadpool's onto our fifth and final point. Our fifth and final point, which is also the rattle. Well, yes. Yes, our final point about the movie how it all finishes off and wraps up.

[00:50:29] So we already mentioned Cassandra Nova is back in their universe trying to get her hands on Mr. Paradox's time ripper. And we have that excellent scene with her pulling Mr. Paradox along the ground behind her. She goes into the picture.

[00:50:42] Yes, the kind of finger face massage, but really deep. Exactly. And Wolverine and Deadpool have to team up to stop the machine from working. The two of them have to work together. Yeah. So the machine is kind of pulling from two sources of power.

[00:51:00] I love how as she's kind of activating it, I like how you're getting that kind of string sort of spaghettification of the world like you saw in season two of Loki. Really good kind of aesthetic for me.

[00:51:15] In fact, I don't even think with the budget of a movie that they do it as well as they did in the TV show, to be honest. But there's a nice little, you know, just little pointer to that.

[00:51:28] And you have Deadpool and Logan having to go down into the bowels of where these streams of energy are. But being warned by Mr. Paradox that any one person doing that, they're going to die. Yes. But of course both of them hold hands, bro force it out with.

[00:51:51] Have that. As they sort of team up as they allow the energy streams to kind of pass through them and so disrupt the flow to the time ripper, causing it to effectively fail in the plan that Cassandra has.

[00:52:08] Like I really like this kind of moment actually of the fact that they did survive it. And it being a surprise that it was this kind of like, yeah, bromance moment of them holding hands in order to sort of sabotage Cassandra's plan.

[00:52:25] And I like the fact that Mr. Paradox, as I say, I think Matthew McFadden here is really, you know, hamming up in a really good way for me and intensifying the party played in succession to some extent because here we do have

[00:52:45] him groveling and to both B 15 who is the and but also to Wolverine and to Deadpool, what he realizes that they come back alive and aren't dead. Yes. This is Hunter B 15 as we've seen her in TVA in the

[00:53:03] Loki season one two play by one of the Massaku, of course. And great to see her in here. And it's interesting when you have the TVA in here in the movie universe, the amount of speculation of who was going to cast was going to appear in Deadpool Wolverine.

[00:53:18] It's great that they at least got one member of the cast and one Massaku is fantastic. So she's here as the head of the TVA effectively who shuts down the program and says to Deadpool Wolverine that because they have saved the universe,

[00:53:32] effectively that they can live and they can go back to their world and his friends are going to be there as well. And that pushes the button and saves their life and saves Deadpool and his friends. Yeah, and that's kind of consistent with the end of

[00:53:45] season two as well around, you know, the TVA questioning its role of just pruning things out of existence and not actually sort of trying to help timelines to survive and carry on. Yes. And and here it feels, you know, it feels

[00:54:03] consistent with that with what Hunter B 15 is doing here. Yeah, it does. But also Deadpool asks for all the other friends that helped out the resistance members that were in in the void asked for them to be returned. But B 15 kind of says, well, they can't be.

[00:54:19] They're not going to be able to be returned. So a lecture blade and gambit won't appear back in the universe, but one character will, which we see at the end. X 23 is back with Logan with Deadpool and with all that group of friends that we saw

[00:54:34] Negosonic Teenage Warheads, Kimiko and Colossus who else was in there as Hax driver who is a defender of the tax driver. And of course we have the reuniting of Deadpool and Vanessa and it looks like they may mend their relationship.

[00:54:50] They had a little bit of hand holding again here as well. So yeah, I it was a kind of a nice sort of wrap up here, I think. It's not earth shattering. It's not going to set the MCU on any kind of massive change in trajectory.

[00:55:09] I think it's going to do anything to the MCU, but I will talk about that in a minute, I suppose. But the one thing we will say is Logan's back here. He's now got a group of friends. He was the worst Wolverine in his universe.

[00:55:22] All of his friends are dead, but he's now got a group of friends who are going to hang around with Deadpool. He said he's going to retire. There is a constant running joke that they won't let him ever retire from this role

[00:55:32] of Wolverine that he'd be playing until he's 92 and seeing the box office that came out this week with 450 million by Sunday Worldwide. They're not letting them go. There will be another Wolverine in the future, I would say. He will come back at some point.

[00:55:46] I'd say if there's going to be anything he's going to appear in Secret Wars himself and Deadpool are going to appear in Secret Wars along with all of those other characters, I'd say. I would say so. But a nice little happy ending. Poor Hugh Jackman. Poor Hugh Jackman.

[00:56:01] He's never gotten off that ragey regimen that he's been doing for so many years. Absolutely. Oh my God, his body was phenomenal. I mean, there were a number of shots. The one where I think he is starting to... He's trying to...

[00:56:18] I don't know whether it's in this final moment where he's trying to connect the two energy streams in order to disrupt it, but where his abs are out. I'm not saying there's not a bit of CGI manipulation there,

[00:56:34] but it is Deadpool looking him up and down on the abs. And I was like, dead right? 55 years old. And apparently he was... That is him. That's his body. We've seen it in all the other movies. There's no CGI on top of that.

[00:56:52] That is Hugh Jackman at his stretched, purely working out for that scene. He kind of is stretched best. He didn't have to do it for the whole movie. I kind of feel ashamed as a 46-year-old looking in worse shape than a, I guess, 55-year-old.

[00:57:10] I mean, as I say, you know, it is the Olympic year. If there was an event for laziness, I'd probably come in fourth just so I didn't have to scale the podium. Love that. Very good. So it's kind of like, oh no. But was your job, John,

[00:57:28] and you were paid by the studio to go and do that for this one scene? Because again, he doesn't have to do it like 20 times in the movie. That is true. And you have bespoke trainers and motivators. And you have to eat 20 chickens a day? You did that.

[00:57:43] But no, he did look fantastic. It was a nice ending. And the movie itself wraps up, instead of having a mid-credit scene, the movie wraps up with loads of outtakes from all of the Fox Universe movies. It's clearly something that we didn't see in the movie,

[00:57:57] but we saw things like Ben Affleck sitting down with, I'm going to say Happy Hogan there because I've just forgotten John Fraver's name. There we go. The set of Deadpool, loads of background behind the scene stuff. But it really did feel like this is what

[00:58:09] the movie was trying to accomplish. It wasn't really trying to be an MCU movie. It was just trying to say goodbye to the Fox Universe of movies. Those movies that made millions of dollars at the box office before the MCU was around, really. It in effect spurred on

[00:58:23] the Marvel studios to come into existence in many respects. Kind of. I'd almost say that's the backhand of the compliment because it's almost like Kevin Feige is like I'm done with making crappy versions of my characters. I want to go over and sort of say,

[00:58:38] our studio where we can do our thing with our characters. But I think it's a little bit of column A, column B. Yeah, for sure. Like both that and also that at the time it was the only Marvel game in town. So they made money. Absolutely.

[00:58:52] And just for examples of that, go see the terrible fan four stick movie that we did review here on our podcast as well. Go see Elektra if you do want to suffer through it. Go see that. Yeah, there's some really, really bad entries into those movies.

[00:59:07] The consistency is definitely not there like it has been for the MCU. Yeah, Elektra I just remember Bags of Rice. Sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Don't put a subject yourself through that again just because Jennifer Garneau was really good in this movie. Is there anything about this movie

[00:59:28] that we may have missed? I may not have talked about, John. I think there's a few things that we have missed. I'm sure there is. There's the fight in the car. In the Honda. Yes. Whatever. I can't remember the name. I know you want to say Civic.

[00:59:42] No, it wasn't Civic. But in fairness to Honda, they'll be like, thanks for the free advertising. But that was really, really good actually. It was a great fight. Yeah. We could see it go on for hours and hours. It even comes back the following morning

[00:59:57] after they've been fighting for hours inside this car. It doesn't have to kind of wrapped up in seat belts. You have Wade wrapped up in seat belts by Wolverine. That's the only way he can stop the fight in the end.

[01:00:08] But yeah, I thought that was fantastic to do this close quarters battle between the two of them after. What caused it again? Wolverine said to Wade that he can't even have a relationship with a stripper and that threw Wade Wilson off the edge basically.

[01:00:24] So that's why they fought. Yeah, exactly. That was a really good fight. There's tons of cameos, tons of the things that we will never get to no matter how long we watch this. We've only seen it in the cinema once on a massive IMAX 3D screen.

[01:00:37] Really good screening actually. It was. It was super. But I'm sure just like with other movies like this like Spider-Man Now Way Home and Doctor Strange, the Multiverse of Madness when you get at home and get to watch it at home

[01:00:50] and get to pick up all the other Easter eggs that are in there I'm sure there's tons more that we would see. But overall, John, what did you think of Deadpool and Wolverine? Do you defend Deadpool and Wolverine? Yeah, I absolutely defend Deadpool and Wolverine.

[01:01:04] I really, really enjoyed this movie. I would give this four and a half French kissing poochers out of five. To me, I feel a lot of the Deadpool movies always kind of really are in your face. They kind of insist on themselves putting them front and center.

[01:01:24] And this is in some ways no different. But I love the sense of humor that pervades these movies. And this movie, I worried that it wasn't going to have that. It was going to kind of fall short, drop that ball. And to me, it carried it on.

[01:01:42] I think the humor was great. I enjoyed immensely Hugh Jackman being in this as Wolverine which added a significant amount here. Just because you know that character for so long. One of the successful, thankfully from the X-Men characters.

[01:02:06] I mean if it had been miscast, Wolverine would have been a nightmare when you think of Fan Forced Stick. And that was a great cast for the terrible movie. Really well cast within Hugh Jackman. Beloved. And I think that comes through.

[01:02:22] I think the fact that it interfaces with Logan and you have X-23 in there, which I just thought they were some of the best sort of serious, semi-serious moments of this movie around. In fact, to some degree I was drawn to that more than

[01:02:41] Wade Wilson wanting to get back to Vanessa. In fact, to me, that moment of X-23 and Wolverine round the campfire where he's wondering what it's really, is it worth it? What's it all about? She makes the point, well you saved me.

[01:02:58] I'm here to give you that pep talk. But it's just done in a really good way. That to me was the heart of this movie. The mess of stuff around the destruction of the Fox Universe into the voice and effectively those bits

[01:03:14] not being pruned by the TVA, being allowed to survive. You know, fur juice. It's a nice little meta look. As I say, all the Deadpools coming out really good. I love all the cameos. You know, yeah, Electra Grimm film. Gambit never had a film.

[01:03:37] Blade first film, absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, gets more ropey as you move through them. A lot of good stuff from the Fox. Either a movie, which deteriorates very rapidly with the sequel and the threequel. Or, you know, good directors cuts of them like Daredevil as well.

[01:04:02] Or just reboot the universe again like the first class and the X-Men movies. Exactly. If you can't work at the story, just reboot it again. The Thomas Jane Punisher. Again, it's classic to his origin story and it's a decent movie.

[01:04:19] He's a cameo I'd really like to see here. And actually there was something in the news this week that John Berndthal said he's been training with Thomas Jane to get back in shape for Punisher in Daredevil. Which is interesting. Just with all this multiverse stuff going on.

[01:04:32] You never know, Thomas Jane may appear in the Daredevil born again TV series. It could happen. He's a great actor. I love him. So I liked all these cameos for sure. I would love to see Cassandra Nover again. Emma Cauran superb. They were great, yeah.

[01:04:50] You know, as we said, we've known her from Pennyworth and to be honest, if I'm totally honest I wouldn't have put that kind of performance in her wheelhouse to be honest. And in fact, her moving to the crown and playing Princess Diana. I could see that.

[01:05:10] This to me is a really great performance. I feel as though it's actually going against what she would feel comfortable doing. So furge used to her and it really paid off. It was a great villainous performance. I'd love to see her Cassandra Nover again.

[01:05:32] So all of it put together. I really enjoyed four and a half French kissing poochies out of five for me. Excellent, excellent stuff. Four and a half doggy breaths out of five. Very good, very good. Derek, what about yourself? Do you defend Deadpool and Wolverine? I defend it.

[01:05:52] You know, I'm not as high up in these movies as you know, John, the comedy movies in Marvel and I tend to find the Deadpool movies are very light in terms of story. I found it really difficult writing the notes for this,

[01:06:06] for example, because I was going to go and cameo, cameo, cameo, fight, fight, cameo, cameo, cameo, what happened at the end again? You know, that's the way I experienced the Deadpool movie. But this was a lot of fun. I came out laughing, we came out talking and smiling,

[01:06:20] which is a great accomplishment in any movie for me. So you come out a lot of joy, a lot of fun. It was completely different the way I thought the movie was going to be. I thought this absolutely was going to be an MCU Deadpool movie.

[01:06:33] It's not, it's saying goodbye to the Fox universe. So lots of the cameos that are in here were real surprises because I expected things like, oh, maybe they will get Robert Downey Jr. back for two minutes on screen or Chris Evans back as Captain America

[01:06:46] just to welcome Deadpool into the MCU. But I don't think you've even done that. They've got Happy Hogan as the person from the MCU. They've got one Misaku from Loki. Are they the only two Marvel universe characters that are actually in the movie? Pretty much.

[01:07:03] You know, they reference the TVA, but there's no background characters in the TVA in there other than one Misaku, which is interesting in itself. Like they only have Hunter B-15. So there are so many characters you would think they would have hoped for not something like The Eternals

[01:07:17] or they would have hoped for not maybe how the Marvels did and bring in some of those actors to do cameos in this movie if it was a real MCU movie. So I guess is that the next thing? Is that what they're going to do with the sequel

[01:07:28] to this movie that's already made almost half a billion dollars in a weekend? Will they have a real Deadpool in the MCU movie next? Well, that's true. It's interesting you say that because, I mean, you have the reference to some degree around Captain America, obviously,

[01:07:45] but it is the human talk. But nonetheless, it's like kind of your game is maybe Captain America really. No, I know it's not. You know what I mean. But like the only other real mention is around Doctor Strange with the sling ring and about the magician effectively

[01:08:06] that being brought into the void. So that's kind of interesting to have that referenced because I could see Doctor Strange is quite a straight character but always plays well with Spider-Man. I had seen him playing well with Deadpool. That'd be really interesting to see.

[01:08:25] Well, I'm kind of thinking around the little post-credits scene with Thor that had a nice little sense of comedic levity to it, which I think Benedict Cumberbatch is more than able for. So you can do it. They could do it. It'd be interesting. So there you go.

[01:08:43] There you go. Theory, thoughts and speculations of what's coming next from Deadpool. John, we pop over and get some feedback from our wonderful fellow defenders. I think we should. Yes, thanks so much, fellow defenders for sending in your thoughts on Deadpool and Wolverine. Better than Chris.

[01:09:01] They went out and saw them move themselves. Absolutely guys. Sorry, Chris. And first off, we have an email from Coffee and Vodka who says, greetings, fellow TV agent defenders. Oh, I like what you did there. That was a lot of fun.

[01:09:16] It'll be a bit before I know if I liked it or not. I mean, I'm sure it's good, funny, action packed and all that. But rarely has anything shrunk me by the shoulders and shouted into my face. You love this, right? The way this did.

[01:09:30] The idea that a timeline is dependent on a certain individual's existence is either a Mr. Paradox lie or particularly bad bit of contrivance on the writer's part. And how does it bring Deadpool to our timeline if he saved his own?

[01:09:46] On the plus side, Loved Cassandra, Johnny Storm, Gambit and the hundred other cameos we got in this. Strange that there were no loci to be seen. They also all but confirmed that there will be no new Blade movie.

[01:10:04] Would have to say my favorite bit was Deadpool digging up Logan. What was yours? No rating until I've given this another viewing or two piece and take care. Coffee and vodka. Excellent stuff, coffee and vodka. I totally get where you're coming from that, you know,

[01:10:22] you kind of just need to let it sink in because it is kind of like a water pistol being fired into your face and you just need that time to recover from all the water dripping down your face and going up your nose and inching out.

[01:10:37] You need that kind of sort of breathe, relax. Okay, what happened there? I mean, it's like with the dog. It's like with Dogpool. What is going on here? What is that about? Is it real? Is it CGI? Is it just purely messed up? Does Pettit know about this?

[01:10:56] Like whatever it's like lots of stuff going on. So I totally understand that. For me, I'm absolutely in the same way. Loved Deadpool digging up Logan at the start and lots of... I thought the fight sequence of it was actually excellent.

[01:11:15] And I think for me, I really did on a serious note, I loved X-23 and Wolverine together because it just took me back to Logan and we kind of rewatched that movie as well and it's still, for me, my favorite Logan movie. Absolutely adorably.

[01:11:35] And loved the cameos as well. To be honest, I think it is just so messed up. It probably is Dogpool and all the Deadpool's. And I do like, you know, in fairness, I like their loyalty and referencing of Rexham with Welshpool and Paul Mullins.

[01:11:59] And you know, that's something that I think is just so cool of them to do that and for Ryan Reynolds to do that and to have his partner in crime at Rexham and Rob McElhinney being involved as well as Paul Mullins. So fur juice.

[01:12:16] And you couldn't really tell that it was them until you saw the credits but still it was good little touch. And you made a really good reference there, Caffeine Bucke, about the fact that Blades calls out I'm the only Blade in here

[01:12:29] because he had three movies and the Mahir Shalil movie seems to be taking a very, very long time to come to screen multiple writers have left the project, multiple directors have left the project. They're still saying it's coming.

[01:12:44] And in fact, I think Kevin Feige at the San Diego Comic Con said this is going to be the next or rated movie from the MCU is Blade. So that's how it's being described on their schedule. So I'm not sure.

[01:12:57] I think at the time they wrote this, there was definitely loads of questions over it. Those questions are still present right now but I wouldn't put a past them to eventually get the Blade movie made. Yes.

[01:13:07] I mean, it's a real interesting thing to happen in the middle of the movie. I mean, actually all that fourth wall stuff is really good. And you know, it's kind of just so self aware in many respects. Yeah. And this movie and the way it's written.

[01:13:21] So it's really good. So yeah, thanks so much, Caffeine Bucke. Thanks, Caffeine Bucke. We have a voicemail in from the wonderful Mr. Steve Brand. Welcome back, Steve. Absolutely. Hello TV podcast industries. This is Steve. It's been a while but I'm glad to send you in

[01:13:40] a couple quick notes about Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm assuming you're going to cover it at some point. I just got home from watching it and man, I'm ready to go see it again. I really enjoyed the ride. It was fun.

[01:13:53] The thing that jumped out of me the most, I think, or one of the things that jumped out of me the most was there was a lot of insider kind of things that if you didn't know what was going on or you know the backstory, you wouldn't get

[01:14:05] but it wouldn't take away from the story such as early on in the movie when one of the characters starts to say something and Deadpool stops and goes, no you can't improv knowing that this was filmed during the Rider strike and so they couldn't do any kind

[01:14:19] of improv or anything like that. It was funny to hear that line. Also towards the end there, one of the shops that Deadpool and Wolverine are thrown into a couple of times by Cassandra and they fight past with the other Deadpool's is Rob Liefeld's Just Feet.

[01:14:37] And if I remember correctly, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Rob Liefeld was one of those illustrators of Marvel many, many years ago and it was a joke drive that he couldn't draw feet. So seeing a sign that was like Liefeld's Just Feet

[01:14:50] was pretty funny to see and then I caught it. Also, okay, I had to pause the recording and re-record a couple of things so hopefully it sounds right. But towards at the end there when I was reading the credits it looked like Paul Mullen played Welch Deadpool,

[01:15:05] the Deadpool that they showed a couple of times with the whales flag on his uniform. I certainly hope that's the Paul Mullen from the Wrexham Football Club that Ryan and Rob Delaney own. Also, I can't wait to watch it again because I missed the Rob Delaney cameo.

[01:15:21] I know he's in there somewhere but apparently I just wasn't watching quick enough to see it. So anyway, just my quick thoughts. Love the movie. Can't wait to go watch it again. Can't wait to hear you guys cover it. Talk to you later. Thanks so much Steve.

[01:15:33] Great to get your thoughts. It definitely was Super Paul Mullen who played Welshpool. Interestingly, that is also the name of a town in Wales is Welshpool. Is it? Very good. Like Liverpool. Yeah, that kind of thing. It's south of Wrexham as well. It's not that far.

[01:15:53] So that's assuming that you call that character Welshpool or not Welsh Deadpool. Yes, get him. But I like the idea that you call it Welshpool and that is also the name of a town. Very good. You mentioned there, Steve,

[01:16:10] about the fact that this wasn't was done during the Rider Strike and they couldn't improv at all. It's a really, really good point because I'm sure the first two movies had a lot of improv but I know there were challenges for them

[01:16:22] making the movie because they couldn't do any improv in here. It had to be all written down in a script, approved, sent to the actors to perform effectively, very different to the other two movies. So while, of course, Ryan Reynolds and director

[01:16:36] Sean Levy got a writing credit there, they had to actually write down what they were saying as well. They couldn't do that just improv on stage. So a nice gag in there. I think you said at the end that you missed Rob Delaney's cameo.

[01:16:49] You might have been meaning to say Rob McElhaney's cameo that's in the movie. And yeah, I think he's the one behind the glasses we mentioned where we think he is in the movie. Although in the welcome to Wrexham documentary when they talk about the cameo at the end

[01:17:03] a little sign comes up on screen and says Rob doesn't know we've cut him from the film so we don't know. He does get a credit at the end, Rob McElhaney does get a credit at the end of the movie as a TVA agent.

[01:17:15] So whether that's him or not or whether he actually did add off on the cutting room floor we might not know but I think he is there. I think that's part of the joke. Excellent. Great stuff. Thanks, Steve. Absolutely. Steve, over on our Facebook group we have

[01:17:28] some feedback in from Ray from Into the Night The Moonlight podcast. He says, I came out of the theater just wanting more. The film isn't out as a feel good movie but that's exactly what it did. It made me feel good.

[01:17:40] All the bluster on the internet over rumors of who was in it and why Wolverine doesn't have his iconic mask. I'm glad that all blew over me as I was able to enjoy the surprise cameos and by the time Wolverine done the mask

[01:17:51] I had totally forgotten all the annoying comments from fans online about how they won't watch it because he doesn't have his mask. My eyes widened and I record my mouth went agape when Wolverine pulled it up over his head. Utter bliss. Absolutely.

[01:18:04] The comic book references were also so well appreciated even the tongue-in-cheek dig at 5'3", Wolverine. And I appreciated that. Seeing Patch, Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine and the iconic 251 cover of Uncanny X-Men when Wolverine was crucified by the Reavers in Australia the level of dedication and thought

[01:18:21] from the writers just brilliant. The meta meaning of the void, i.e. discarded properties used by Fox, as well as some meta chat towards the end Deadpool asks Wolvie if he'll see him again Wolvie slash Hugh pauses then says uh nah I hope not

[01:18:35] made this a highly enjoyable and truly thematic Deadpool film Ryan Reynolds has hit it out of the park I won't even mention the cameos I'm sure they'll be amply covered by other comments here but everything worked wonderfully my only small blemish if at all

[01:18:49] was that Emma Coren felt completely overshadowed by the occasion of the film. By that I mean she did a brilliant job but Felksandr Nova took a backseat to the bromance that was Wolvie and the closing legacy of the Fox films. The stakes were high

[01:19:01] towards the end and she was scary powerful but my attention remained with the self-referential meta banter and the allure of who else we'd see pop up It's a film that has made me really appreciate Deadpool in film even more and despite what was said I really

[01:19:15] really really hope we get more Deadpool and Wolverine of the future the best fun I've had in the cinema in a long time Ray. Excellent stuff Thanks so much Ray Thanks Ray for sending me thoughts absolutely just like yourself completely loved this movie so funny laugh out loud

[01:19:35] all the different references whether it's meta between Fox and I guess ultimately the MCU but yeah all the comic book references that you mentioned just really really good you caught a few there that we didn't mention I know Seeing Patch which is

[01:19:53] Wolverine with the eye patch and the Vice James Bond type jacket in there that was really cool. I remember a rumor going around that that was going to be the introduction of Daniel Radcliffe playing Wolverine who's been rumoured to take over the role as Wolverine like every actor

[01:20:07] of their 20s and 30s has been rumoured to take over Wolverine when it's eventually hung up by Hugh Jackman but that was the rumour he was going to turn around and you'd see the face of Daniel Radcliffe in there. Well interestingly I feel as though

[01:20:21] Daniel Radcliffe has got the same kind of hair type and head Yeah maybe He could certainly do the 5 foot 3 Wolverine Whether he can sort of bulk slash hulk it out I think that would be interesting I could see him doing it. He would have to eat

[01:20:41] 40 chickens a day and noboby should eat 40 chickens a day Kevin Hinson also goes some feedback he simply says Superman as Wolverine Do you enjoy that Love Henry Cavill The old Cavalmeister Great stuff thanks Kevin and thanks Ray again Greg Schwab says As an eternal 13 year old boy

[01:21:05] these films are a turn to the wheelhouse of my adolescence with runchy comedy a whole lot of swear words and dick jokes and fanboying around every bit of pop culture references. Cameos and comic material brought to the big screen and nothing gave me the giggles more

[01:21:21] than the foul mouth torch in Cap's body post credit scene. This was amazing I can't even begin to list my favourite cameos because it will have taken you 20 minutes of the podcast to address them all so I'll just say that even though

[01:21:37] I loved it the bouncing of tone going from silly gratuitous violence and swear words which I loved to a ways dramatic flashback mental health recovery was a bit jarring and didn't feel like it matched the rest of the film. I felt like I was intently listening

[01:21:53] for the next dick joke and then it never came just felt weird besides that I loved the fanservice bringing back forgotten intentional or otherwise characters and actors and practically everything else about the movie Some of my high points Channing Tatum as Gambit felt very

[01:22:11] off at first but after a few minutes I enjoyed the real representation of the character we've gotten Chris Evans was great all round and the music budget while it must have been astronomical fit so much with the movie it made it even better.

[01:22:27] I'll end with my observation that they had several actors playing several characters that are all supposed to be in the same multiverse made this even funnier Ryan Reynolds with Blade in Trinity where he played a mouthy mercenary if I remember. Chris Evans as discussed and the re-team

[01:22:47] up as expected of Reynolds and Jackman even if different versions of the characters as we met them in the origins it made the confusion of the characters on screen even funnier Lastly Cassandra's impression of Scarlet Witch in multiverse of madness fingers in the head gave me

[01:23:07] the bloody creeps That's an interesting point actually Greg the waving of Wanda's fingers as she does her magic that's similar to what Cassandra is doing except Cassandra is putting her hands inside people's faces and waving the fingers but very creepy It was very creepy but it was

[01:23:25] so well done I must say I still love that whole sequence with her and Mr. Paradox It's just really well done a really nice note that you've got there as well about some actors playing several characters that were supposed to be in the same multiverse before

[01:23:41] it's not that I'd forgotten that Reynolds and Jackman had played Wolverine and Deadpool back in Wolverine origins I tend to forget that a little bit but it is interesting that they're very confused at seeing each other to begin with as to who they could possibly be

[01:23:59] so yeah it's really good that they were there I know in the Deadpool universe doesn't Deadpool go and kill Ryan Reynolds before he takes no he kills Ryan Reynolds before he takes the role of Green Lantern and then goes and kills himself playing the part of Deadpool

[01:24:13] at that time in that version basically Yeah absolutely Great stuff Greg I'm so glad you enjoyed this in terms of the fan service great to get your thoughts some lovely bits of feedback there Absolutely thanks Greg We also have some feedback in from Muscle Hooper

[01:24:31] who says that awful Wolverine mask made me spit out my drink when I first saw it and Deadpool is going to give me nightmares The opening fight using Logan's bones was brilliant When the cameos and the void were cropping up

[01:24:43] I didn't catch that they were all Fox movie characters I'm forgetting a name when the girl from Logan showed up and a lecture played in Gambit he was awesome or being verbally trashed by Deadpool they were mentioning how they were forgotten and liked or never made franchises

[01:24:57] I expect the girl to be Daisy Ridley playing Ray absolutely no connection to Marvel but I could see Deadpool just giving her giving her crap about how some fans hate Ray not Daisy, let's get that clear and the sequels that would have been a boss move by Disney

[01:25:11] For the record Wade faked the video of Johnny Storm at the post credit scene ooh I don't know about that Russell and finally he says one final bit of trivia I live in Tennessee the main supplier of power to most of the state is the Tennessee Valley Authority

[01:25:23] or at the TVA is there something we don't know there's a whole city between Nashville and Knoxville that is known as the Secret City without going into details the Manhattan Project was done there makes you wonder Excellent bit of trivia there Russell The Tennessee Valley Authority

[01:25:39] I love that, I would watch out depends on how high the bills start getting because of the amount of power they need to to sort of pull to run the universe but yeah that's really interesting around the TVA and the Secret City in well I guess in Tennessee

[01:26:01] yet Dogpool is also a did give me nightmares and sure and I did but it's still it was way over the top snarking between an animal and a human and I just was hearing that noise for hours afterwards and yeah I really enjoyed that opening fight as well

[01:26:23] it would have been interesting if they pulled all the properties in from the Disney plus that would have been quite an interesting sort of way to go I think I feel as though Star Wars it may have almost be seen as sacrilegious but you never know

[01:26:39] it would have been interesting It would have but again it's kind of the different experience coming out of the cinema that I had going into it and thinking oh they're really going to start having a go at the MCU because they can they're here now

[01:26:53] they're gonna make fun of all the MCU movies and then they didn't at all they poked some fun at Kevin Feige in jokes that we've actually seen in the trailers but not really they don't really stray beyond the walls of the Fox universe which is ending basically

[01:27:07] so they have their bit of fun and then end in that lovely montage of behind the scenes things kind of saying you did a good job your universe is over now and we'll move on to the MCU next time Yeah absolutely, yeah thanks so much Russell

[01:27:19] Richard Blaze says a really strong way to end the trilogy and for me better than the second Chris Evans cameo got me I was so excited to think he was back as Cap I was totally blindsided when he shouted Flame Arm Love Deadpool searching for the Wolverines

[01:27:37] so much great acknowledgement to the past comics and characters the TVA just done well and felt like an extension from the Loki series really want Loki to appear at some point Oh and Henry Cavill The fundamentals of Deadpool movie is violence swearing and long drawn out

[01:27:57] over the top insults and this film had it all a plenty and I loved it I need to watch it several more times though to get the full list of Easter eggs totally totally agree Richard just to flag that we're doing the podcast

[01:28:15] on the basis of a single watch though so if you've missed anything apologies but there is so much in this movie hence why this feedback section is so good for any of those little bits that maybe we've just not picked up on

[01:28:29] Exactly, we're just running out of time at the moment that's why we couldn't wait for Chris to go to the cinema we don't have another week Exactly but there are so many Easter eggs so many cameos it's all really really good and like yourself

[01:28:43] I think this is better than the second I kind of get you on that and it's not just because that it is a Deadpool movie with its violence swearing and long drawn out insults as you say but I think the fact you are bringing Wolverine

[01:28:59] in and you have to acknowledge that yes it is a Deadpool movie yes you have that moment of fun reverence towards Wolverine and I think that's what they did they had their fun with Wolverine but they had their reverence to the comics to at least the last

[01:29:19] movie that he starred in which was Logan and that's what I really thought was top notch here for sure so great stuff thanks Richard absolutely thanks Richard. Philip Egergel-Forencio says I really enjoy the movie so funny and sarcastic just like its main character

[01:29:35] love the cameos and the jokes Deadpool makes about them still think that the is a bad movie though nostalgia is not that strong to make me change my mind about it I was expecting more X-Men content and cameos but I enjoy that this movie

[01:29:47] was a farewell to all the Fox movies and not an introduction to Mutants in the MCU one last thing quick question about the Wesley Snipes being the only blade joke do you think it's an irony suggesting that the martial art Lee movie will never

[01:29:59] come out it's always changing writers or directors or an irony that the character who doesn't know a new blade is being made that's an interesting question Philip I think it can work on both levels if the movie comes out in the future

[01:30:11] then they can say it was just about just a joke about Wesley Snipes believing he's the only blade that could ever be and ever will be I actually think now that I say it out loud I think he actually said that at one point I think Wesley Snipes

[01:30:25] said why didn't they just ask me to come back and be played I would have done it why are they hiring somebody else I'm the only blade that ever will be similar to David Hasselhoff saying he's the only Nick Fury there ever would be as well

[01:30:37] but that tends to happen with possessiveness of some actors to their roles in the past so it might have just been that but yes there is a trouble production on Blade that we all know about as people that follow what's going on and hopefully it does get made

[01:30:51] because I just want to see Mahershala Lee back in the Marvel Universe I'd love to see Mahershala Ali as well back in Marvel loved him as Cottonmouth King in Luke Cage and it would be so good to have him sort of pop up in the MCU

[01:31:09] I think also as well just because it feels to me is that it would link into you know the post credit scene of the Eternals as well I think because you know we know that the Eternals will be referenced in the upcoming Captain America movie

[01:31:25] it'd be great to have that kind of whole thing with the Black Knights their Blade and so on that kind of little corner of the MCU sort of getting a bit of development so who knows for sure I think it will work potentially both ways

[01:31:43] if they need it too good stuff thanks for the APE I'm also there with you Elektra does not age well and will never age well even with Nostalgia and will never age well from the edit until it was put in the cinema

[01:31:59] nobody liked it when it came out in the cinema I feel really sorry for them when they did that same thing as Catwoman the Halle Berry movie Halle Berry great actress I just won an Oscar for Monstrous Bowl then went off and did Catwoman

[01:32:13] and that kind of ended the career she ended up going back into the X-Men universe to play Storm because everybody was looking at her going is that your movie choice after you win an Oscar anyway that's the DC bad movies good stuff thanks Felipe finally

[01:32:29] from Facebook we have John Daniel who says I adored the fourth wall abuse and fan service I thought it was hilarious and had heart Wolverine's mask was effing epic and the fight scene in the Honda was flawless loved it totally totally agree the fight scene in the Honda

[01:32:51] was just superb I really liked Wolverine's mask but I do feel there was a weird thing going on with the eyes do you know what it was go on I found it afterwards he has the same eyes as Deadpool quite eyeballs and it feels weird on Wolverine's mask

[01:33:07] exactly and I like the master no I did I like the mask but I kept getting drawn to the eyes I realised it was because they were the same sort of cloudy white eyes as Deadpool but it also it was the shadow

[01:33:23] it looked like he had sort of eyeliner at the bottom or it was slightly open like the Batman there was something about it that took me out of the epicness of the actual mask itself because it was it was cool I'm not saying it's not

[01:33:43] before we go down that road oh no I think Ray mentioned it very wrong there were loads of complaints ahead of time that he was going to be wearing the mask or he wasn't going to be wearing the mask and then when they did see it

[01:33:55] then they said they didn't want it they wanted a better one they wanted a different one and those people have commented on this we didn't I really enjoyed the scene where he pulled it up because it came out of nowhere after an hour

[01:34:05] and a half of the movie he's effectively had this mask behind his head that he wasn't going to pull it on until that big battle moment and I think it worked really well in there but but yeah it's the eyes

[01:34:15] that's definitely the thing that kind of throws you off on it because it looks very different from what you'd expect yeah exactly I think it just looked maybe heavily CGI enhanced because of those eyes in relation to sort of old Hughes jawline but I still loved it

[01:34:37] excellent stuff thank you all so much for your awesome feedback pulled it out of the bag there defenders had you all mostly at least enjoyed just in the cinema as well fun summer experience it's a weird year we're not getting as much Marvel content as we normally do

[01:34:51] like we're months past the last thing we covered on Marvel and still got a few months to go until we cover Agatha all along and then the next Marvel movie that's coming up is Captain America which I am really excited for

[01:35:03] especially after the panel that was at San Diego Comic Con this week that we were watching really excited to see what they're going to do in the universe with the new Captain America movie so that will be exciting and the Thunderbolts is coming next year as well

[01:35:15] with the misfist characters of Marvel yeah I'm really looking forward to Thunderbolts now I mean Florence Pugh fantastic got Bucky coming back Bucky absolutely Sebastian San like I've got a soft spot for him for short so hard spot for him so I'm really looking forward to the Thunderbolts

[01:35:39] we also had Fantastic Four yes you did they're like quick characters sort of the Jetsons there yeah I mean for me Fantastic Four Schmastic Schmore for me it's always Doctor Doom with the Fantastic Four and he always kind of saves them of the movie

[01:36:03] it'll be interesting to see how this goes like they've done what is it four Fantastic Four movies the movies that had Chris Evans in them the first two I suppose that were released there was a Roger Corman one that's only available on YouTube and then Fantastic Four

[01:36:19] so they've tried it four times and it's failed all those times but they've never tried it in the MCU and here in the MCU version we've got Pedro Pascal as Mr. Fantastic we've got the kid from Stranger Things who's playing Johnny Storm we've got

[01:36:33] Evan Moss-Bakarac who was in The Punisher playing Micro and also Excellent in the Bear as well and they've got Vanessa Kirby from Mission Impossible coming in as Sue Storm like what a great central cast and then the master revealed

[01:36:45] the weekend that Doctor Doom is going to be played by Robert Downey Jr playing Victor von Doom as well the cast looks great it's obviously not in Marvel 616 it's a different time that's the suspicion Matt Shackman said that he put together

[01:37:03] a little teaser clip of what could be around when they get to Fantastic Four they're starting filming this week so nothing's actually been filmed for the movie itself but he's put together kind of a mood board with a lot of special effects

[01:37:17] apparently of what it could look like and it looks like as you said John an alternate version of the 60s Yeah, or it's almost like the initial couple of episodes from One Division that kind of era but more advanced in terms of what they can do

[01:37:37] so hovering cars like the Chessons so it's almost like fall out in a sense you know, it's retro science fiction and that will be kind of interesting because that is definitely a nice way of taking it and I think so we'll see. Absolutely, Doctor Doom coming back

[01:37:57] Oh yeah, perfect. Like that's cool Again, I haven't been able to successfully create Doctor Doom on screen in the past so hopefully Robert Downey Jr. in the role will be an interesting one that has divided fandom all over the place. Do you want Robert Downey Jr. back

[01:38:13] as a brand new character? Will there be an explanation why he'll look like Tony Stark and lots of people still know Tony Stark in the Marvel Cinematic Universe so there will be something there, I'm sure they have a plan This is the notion that it's a different universe

[01:38:25] Yeah but when we look back to our MCU went to the 616 and all the other characters see him will they recognize him as Tony Stark it's a very interesting idea I've always said Tony Stark was a villain right back from Civil War when he was up against

[01:38:41] Steve so I'm with it but the other big announcement that came finally confirmed the Rooster Brothers are returning to the MCU to direct the Avengers 5 and 6 Avengers Doomsday it's now called No Longer the Kang Dynasty for reasons it's now going to be called Doomsday

[01:39:01] so probably starring Robert Downey Jr and Avengers Secret War Yeah and apparently it was in the provision for Robert Downey Jr that he would only return to the MCU if the Rooster Brothers came back to direct the movies so that's why they're all back

[01:39:17] that's why they were all on stage at San Diego Comic Con and that's why their wallets no longer close and will never close again for the next couple of hundred years Excellent stuff So we've not only covered Deadpool and Wolverine and talked about your awesome feedback

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[01:40:37] with Deadpool. Yeah But we will be back later in August as we cover the final season of the Umbrella Academy So looking forward to that and of course we have the second season of The Rings of Power coming through on Prime Video

[01:41:03] Yep, and we'll be back in the Marvel Universe for Agatha all along in September Now we are going to be taking a little break, we have to mention that we're not going to be back with Umbrella Academy as it comes out because it comes out

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