Jessica Jones Season 101 AKA Ladies Night Review on Defenders TV Podcast

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This is Defenders TV podcast episode 31 looking at Marvel's Jessica Jones season one episode one aka ladies night. Welcome back, Defenders, and welcome to Defenders TV podcast episode 31 where we are taking a look at Marvel's Jessica Jones episode one, aka Ladies Night. And what a fab night or early morning it has been watching and finally getting around to watching, Jessica Jones. I am one of your hosts, John.

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And I'm Derek. Yeah. We've been, been waiting a while for this one. And, yeah, we got up at 08:00 in the morning to, to watch it as it was released worldwide on November 20.

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Hi, guys. I'm Chris, back again from the dead. I took a short break while, the guys but the guys filled in for me. Thank god. Alright.

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So here I am, and I'm ready to kinda give my feedback on Jessica Jones. It's gonna be interesting.

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Absolutely. So, guys, what did you think? Derek, what was your first impressions of this episode?

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My first impressions for me is, finally, we can talk about it. We saw this episode at New York Comic Con, as some of our regular listeners will know, which was on October 6, I think. It was around that time. So we've had about a month and a half to digest this episode and not talk to anybody about it because we were told by Jeff Loeb Loeb under penalty of death not to tell anybody what happened in the episode. And, wow, this is just as shocking as it was back then.

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It's a fantastic and really different version of a Netflix Marvel show. I think you guys will probably probably agree with me on that. There's definitely a lot of differences here.

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Yeah. From my side, I'm to let our listeners know, I didn't join the our two other Defender co hosts at New York Comic Con. For me, this was my first time sitting in, and I was going in very much blind. Amazon hadn't delivered my alias kind of graphic novels. Yeah, it was if all went to plan, it should have arrived on the nineteenth.

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I would have then had half a day to read it at night and then going in fresh, like, I know the whole story. But no, that didn't happen. So I went in blind. All I'd watched was the trailer and I actually, we were just myself and Derek discussing it just before recording that I didn't even watch the opening theme, which they had released by twelve hours before the show went live.

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That's right.

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Because I I I watched I listened to, like, about ten seconds and went, nope. Nope. I get enough. I so this was very spoiler free going in blind. And, wow, that's kind of where my head is at the moment.

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It's a hell of a lot more intense straight away. It's more psychological. It's more it's darker even though it's brighter

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Mhmm.

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Than Daredevil. It's a different show. This is not a show for you to sit down with your two year old and five year old and go, oh, look. It's some superheroes. This is a mommy and daddy show.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And just one other thing I want to bring in from New York Comic Con. There was an interview with Marco Ramirez, who was the head showrunner for season two of Daredevil. And what he said was when they did Daredevil, they had no idea what the appetite for this adult kind of show would be.

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They were wondering whether anybody be interested in or whether it get criticized for kinda changing the Marvel brand into an adult brand. And now they know from the reaction. And, again, they're not talking about numbers or number of people that watched it, but they know from the reaction that there's definitely an appetite out there. So I wonder whether there was something that played into Jessica Jones out of this and actually gave it more of an adult feel than than they than they originally may have thought.

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Yeah. Exactly. And what I think now is so some of our listeners who are also comic book readers will remember that Marvel about, what, now ten years ago now did the Mac series.

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That's

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right. And there was the adult eight over eighteens. They did supreme power, which is the sinner not sinner six. Squadron supreme. Mhmm.

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They did a number of dare dare devil punisher.

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I did Fury

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Yeah.

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With Nick Fury, my favorite character, being all adult eyes.

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Yeah. And I think that's what I think this is what Netflix is gonna be. It's going to be the MCU for over eighteens. Definitely.

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Yeah. I mean, I don't know whether I would want to see what a a Max Iron Fist was, how that was actually put out. That could be, like, really troublesome for for Marvel to to do, I would say. Could

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be. But lucrative in merchandising.

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Certainly. Certainly. But definitely, this is, this is more darker in a I think, definitely in a psychological way. You know, Daredevil had its violence, you know, the the the head in the car door scene, all that kind of stuff. This is still violent, but from a psychological way and darker.

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And then also, I agree, like, the adult element extends not only to that, but also just I think to sort of the relationships and and how sexual they are, and how real they feel. It feels really grown up, and really good. I mean, one thing I would say as well is that this episode really took its time to build it. I mean, you know, it is different from Daredevil. Daredevil, for me, the first episode landed and it was right up the straight in kind of thing.

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Mhmm. And whereas this really felt as though it took its time leading to, obviously, that amazing, ending that was both cruel and disturbing and which will we'll probably come to in some of our points. But for for those of you who, are listening to us for the first time, each of us will take five points. Sometimes they will overlap and cross over, and we'll discuss elements of, the episodes within that five point structure. And that's the the basis of our podcasts.

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And, again, the release schedule that we'll be doing for these podcasts is we will get two up today, the November 20, the first two episodes of Jessica Jones. We'll be aiming to get a third episode, the discussion of episode three up on Sunday. And then after that, we will be releasing a podcast on each of the episodes of of Jessica Jones, once a week, landing on a Tuesday, for you to look at and subscribe to. And if you want to find us, we are on defenderstvpodcast.com/itunes, or you can find us on any other good podcast catcher. Just search defenderstv podcast and subscribe in any other good podcast catcher, Android podcast catcher, such as, Player FM, Podcast Addict, and Stitcher.

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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And hopefully, Google Play Music when it gets released in

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Woah. In

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Europe in the next couple of months. Yeah. And we definitely wanna hear from you. We have got some feedback, which we'll be talking about later on in the episode after we've discussed our points. Please send your feedback into us as you watch the episodes.

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A lot of people are watching them different orders. People right now are watching episode probably episode three, I think, right now. They'll be they'll be finished way before we have our second podcast date, but we wanna hear your thoughts on the episodes as you watch them. Send those into feedback at defenderstvpodcast.com. You can also join our group on Facebook where there is some discussions going on about the episodes as we go.

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Absolutely. And we have been running a competition following our trip to New York Comic Con. We've got a whole range of different posters and comics and and goodies that we got from New York Comic Con, and the competition was to to leave reviews for us on iTunes or any other good podcast catcher, where they have a review section. And so we will at the end of this episode, we will be pulling the names out of the big woolly hat

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Mhmm.

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For for the winner, who will get a load of posters, Agent Carter, Agents of Shield, and Jessica Jones, Daredevil season two. There's the, transitionary comic done by Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Gaidos, did the alias, graphic novels. That transitional comic between Daredevil and Jessica Jones, that's there as well. And and we will, send that on to you for whoever is lucky enough to have been pulled out of the hat. Plus, what we do have is a few more of those comics, which we'll also send to a few other people that we pull out the hat as well as a an extra little goodie and to say a thank you, obviously, for taking part in the competition, getting involved, and and leaving a review for us on iTunes.

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Thank you so much. But we will come to that towards the end of the episode.

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Yeah. Absolutely. As John said, thanks so much to the listeners who've been listening to us all the way right the way through from Daredevil, which we started in in April, I believe. Really Wow.

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That's so long ago.

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I know.

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We're up to, like,

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we're up to episode 31 there. Lots of lots of episodes and lots of listeners have been really, really good.

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Yeah. And Agent Carter as well, and also some of the great Marvel films and not so great Marvel films that have come out this year as well.

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Yeah. But without further ado, I think it's time for us to get on to our episode discussion. As John mentioned, this episode is episode one of Jessica Jones, which is aka ladies night, a nice little reference to ladies night in Luke's dive bar in this episode of of Jessica Jones. This episode was written by Melissa Rosenberg, who's the showrunner for Jessica Jones. Fantastically written.

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I think we'll, I think we'll all agree as we as we go through. It was directed by SJ Clarkson. John, do you wanna let us know what we got with your synopsis?

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Jessica Jones is a former superhero, a lady trying to rebuild her life after a troubled history. Now as a private investigator with special abilities, Jessica Jones has a keen sense of self loathing, a love for whiskey, sarcasm, late mornings, and the local barman, Luke Cage. And now she has a new case to work. Hired to track down a vanished university student by her parents, Jessica's investigation increasingly takes her down a dark track as a shadowy complex figure from her past takes her beyond a missing person's case to a disturbing and brutal reality. What does he want?

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Thanks a lot, John. Lots going on in that episode. That was pretty spoiler free. Just to remind to all of our listeners, obviously, we've watched this episode. Hopefully, you've watched the episode from now on.

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We will be spoiler filled all the way through as we go through our five points on this episode. And with that thought, Chris, do you wanna give us your first point?

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Yeah. So I suppose that the elephant in the room that we need to talk about, in a good way, is the style, art direction, tonality that is Jessica Jones and what separates it from an MCU film.

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Mhmm.

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What separates it from Daredevil as well to date. We've only seen one episode one, like, what, fifty three, fifty seven minutes, not even. And it really is a the opening scene is film noir, 1920s New York, with that overlay of kind of the monologue of Jessica discussing it. Yeah. It is it it I think it's it's very much a a detective show, and they plant that seed straight away.

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Yeah. Like, anyone would anyone would understand this. Like, I was expecting it to go black and white at some point and wisps of mist and steam coming through a sewer grate coming as she strode in her fedora and trench coat. Yeah. I was expecting when we saw the alias investigations door.

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Now I do know now that it was a panel for panel panel for shot, panel for shot directly out of Alias Mhmm. The comic book, but I was expecting the door to kind of magically open, and there's her with her kind of cigarette hanging out of her mouth silhouetted with a kind of, like, legs up on the desk and go, howdy, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I was expecting that.

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And I think that they nailed it. Mhmm. Like, this is a gritty, realistic portrayal with a nice kinda MCU overlay we're gonna have people jumping tall buildings in a single bound.

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Uh-huh.

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But it's Or maybe

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two bands.

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Or two bands. Yeah. Like, she she got to at least what the third story and then the one of those jumps. But I think that was the the night. I think that everyone we always noticed the the art direction, the the the videography in Daredevil.

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I think we talked about it within episode one straight away. Mhmm. And I feel we need to talk about Jessica Jones. I think this is going to be a darker, more gritty, realistic, but I don't think there's an there's a layer of comedy in there that we're going to enjoy. It's more sarcastic.

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It's more kind of adult, which we can probably talk more about the out themes later. But I think that's just one of the things I think it was, they are setting this up as that kind of a, it's not a hero of the week investigations. It's more of a this is a film noir 1920 style investigation film.

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Yeah. Definitely. It definitely had it reminded me of Sin City, the the Frank Miller book, and obviously, the Robert Rodriguez film and Frank Miller film had that style of the of the the voice over of the I'd done to kill for, I think, is the storyline they took it from or that they made. Excuse me. But, yeah, there's definitely that style.

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There's an instant feeling of of film noir, definitely a feeling of the Sam Slade kind of detective. I love the line where she in her opening monologue where she's essentially saying, people do bad shit. I just avoid getting involved. It really tells you all you need to know about the character of Jessica Jones, that she's very standoffish. We definitely know throughout this episode, but the fact that she is essentially standoffish because people are gonna hurt you if you let them get close.

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So just don't let them get close. Don't get anywhere near them.

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Yeah. Like, loved, the down and out feel that you always expect of this hard done by PI, you know, smoking the cigar. I love the fact, you know, she's she is down and out to an extent. She she's dealing with stuff. She's got, she likes her whiskey, and there's all of that.

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I loved how, like, the pan towards the alias investigations window, and you hear the chitchat from behind the glass, about, you know, you've ruined my life. Well, you asked me to go and investigate a case, and you don't like what I found. There's the over, narration by Jessica Jones saying, you know, people have to either deal with it or don't deal with it or whatever. And never works

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out for them when they go for

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not dealing

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with it.

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And it all felt like this private investigator feel. Even her snapping the two cheating people under the bridge with all the the smoke and the wisps, it really sort of set it up nicely that, you know, this is her job. She's good at it, and it it really gave that noir feel, that PI feel as well. And a great introduction for the the titled character, Jessica Jones. Really good.

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And I love the fact that she says, you know, she excels at looking at the worst in people, you know, this idea that she sees maybe everything through a negative lens. There's just some really great quips coming back to the humor. You know, New York is the city that never sleeps. You know? Yeah.

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Right. The the city that likes to sleep around. Kinda like really good

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Yeah.

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That like, really good.

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Two minutes on the treadmill, twenty minutes on the quarter pounder. Yeah. That was just for me, I just cracked open. Yeah. That's a that's the Sam Slade styled kind of comment.

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I was like, yep. That that's Yeah. If the humor is staying like that, then I'm going to enjoy those kind of sarcastic bits.

[00:16:29] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Definitely. It's one of those things, like you say, this that you say there's a humor in there. There's humor in the Avengers films, but I don't get it as much as I get this kind of humor because this is very much my type of humor. I think it's all of

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our Yeah.

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Kind of sarcastic little bit. I'd love to be as quippy and as quick as she is with her quips.

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If we have a team of writers Absolutely. I think yeah. I just look. We just gave some two guys we're following this round going, you should say this

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next. Yeah. Absolutely. Of the Surround the Berserach kind of kind of stuff. Yeah.

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I definitely agree with you, Chris. I wanna give a huge prop to to SJ Clarkson, the director of this episode. She got the tone completely right in this episode of how how you direct this kind of noir and PI style. Really good point, Chris. John, do wanna give us your first point?

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Yeah. I'm gonna go for a biggie. It's the influence of Kilgrave Oh, the man, the man who kind of remains unnamed, for most of this this episode. But, I love how the purple fades in or bleeds into the shots every time he's kind of awakening and coming back into, Jess Jessica's mind. Like, it's it's one of those things where I think the Marvel writers, the showrunners, they they they're not taking the easy route.

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You know, you had Daredevil where they had to put on screen how someone or the the idea of someone who's blind in Matt Murdock and how he sees the world through the world of fire Yeah. And senses, you know, the the soft focus, all that kind of thing. And here, they're having to try and put onto screen this theme of someone who's psychologically trying to break into your mind and control you. And that that bleed in of the purple is, is just amazing. And a bit like with Daredevil, it was I remember it being one of my points that, know, Wilson Fisk was not on screen for, I think the first four episodes.

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And yet he had such an influence about this man who was controlling, Hell's Kitchen and and being this sort of shadowy figure. And again, we have this here. David Tennant is, like, amazing. It's just creepy. And he he's driving this story.

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You can see how much he's affected Jessica Jones, how he's affecting the other people in this episode. Absolutely. What he brings, you know, like, is ready to to get a flight out of New York to to the Far East to get away from him. You know, she's running to her friends to get money in order to, like, get away from him. Yeah.

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Like, whatever he did to Jessica or whatever he made her do, is really menacing and troubling for her. And, like, this to me was, like, a great introduction and with hardly any screen time for this character of Kilgrave. And, you know, again, it's the power of of of the thought of what's going on in someone's head that you're sort of drawn into this. I mean, I love the corridor scene, for example, which was in the trailer where she she's flicked the fire alarm on. You've got the flashing lights, and then it just like, boom, like, switches to this this this purple and and the silhouette of Kilgrave there, and how she's trying to focus back down to take her out of that moment, out of that sort of psychological trauma in terms of recounting all the road names from presumably a childhood or a happy time in our life, like really, really good.

[00:20:08] - [Speaker 0]
I I thought that was like awesome in this episode.

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Yeah. Absolutely. I love that little touch, and we don't find out early enough in the episode or very early in the episode what it is and why she's reciting the names of the streets. But, essentially, it comes from a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I do always get those confused.

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Where who's essentially told her that the streets around her home, the safest place she felt was when she was at home, rename the names or the names of those streets around where you live, and that'll keep you in that safe place so that he can't get to you. You're absolutely right. I love that little touch. And I love the first time you see Kilgrave is really early on in the episode. It's when she's taking photographs of of Luke Cage.

[00:20:45] - [Speaker 1]
And he comes in and says, you know you want to do it, basically. It's a it's a just do it, Jessica, kind of thing. Really creepy kind of moment.

[00:20:53] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And I I think we're we're we're dancing around the creepiest, which was the bit that he yeah. All of us went, ugh. It's the lick when she's asleep. That just that brings it to a whole new kind of adult level.

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Like, they could have just had him whisper in her ear when she sleep, but wake up, Jessica. Yeah. Wake up. But it was more, nope. Nope.

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We're gonna go full in. It was just creepy. Absolutely. They could have gone somewhere in between. They could have toned it down, but, no, they went very max, very heavy on that.

[00:21:28] - [Speaker 2]
And that would just really show the the level of the the villainy of who Kilgrave is.

[00:21:36] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:21:36] - [Speaker 2]
And he takes what he wants. He does what he wants. Because, like, he's even see, Kilgrave and sorry, guys. For our listeners out there, I'm very an Easter egg kind of Marvel nut. Kilgrave was like, he's a daredevil for 1964.

[00:21:52] - [Speaker 2]
There was a first appearance. He was a minor character, which is mind control powers. He was completely purple. Mhmm. He wore purple suits, and he was purple.

[00:22:01] - [Speaker 2]
It wasn't until Bendis and Gatos brought him back in alias kind of I think it was issue 24

[00:22:08] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

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That he they and they brought him from security back and made him this very creepy, psychologically horrible character.

[00:22:18] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

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Like, it's just like, they've they've taken this guy who mind control powers. Yeah. We all kinda go, yeah. It's nice. But then this is what happens when someone gets these powers and is a bit weird anyway and then starts to use them in a bad way.

[00:22:34] - [Speaker 1]
Absolutely.

[00:22:35] - [Speaker 0]
And it's definitely that psychological trauma aspect of it. It's, it's that idea that, you know, it's like being broken into in your own home. You know, that lick, she's asleep. She's in her home. She feels safe.

[00:22:49] - [Speaker 0]
And all of a sudden, she's taken out of that comfort, and thrown back to this traumatic period where that she's gotta deal with by thinking it or it actually sort of being imparted on her by Kilgrave, this lick to her. And I mean, we hear that they thought he was dead, that they had seen the body and I think was it him being buried? So all of this

[00:23:13] - [Speaker 1]
Death certificate, wasn't it?

[00:23:14] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. So all of this is, like, hugely traumatic as soon as she realizes that he's back. And, like, that that has a real tension and a real, like, drive to this episode, which is really, really good. Derek, what's your first point?

[00:23:31] - [Speaker 1]
My first point, I'm gonna bring one of mine a little bit further up, I suppose, because it is also about Kilgrave, so nice tie in with your one. It is just how they talk about his powers in this in this episode. We don't see Kilgrave on screen as such. We see memories of him. We see we see discussions about him a lot, and we see, obviously, the flashes that you were talking about.

[00:23:51] - [Speaker 1]
But one of those which describes the powers really well, I think, is my first point. It's essentially when Jessica goes to Mizu, the Chinese restaurant, which used to be El Rosso, the Italian restaurant. And the maitre d there is explaining what happened when Kilgrave went there with Hope, who he who is kidnapped. And I love this description because it gives a real impression of what the powers do and what and what the controlling is like. So the maitre d' says that he's gotten himself a bottle of $500 wine for free.

[00:24:20] - [Speaker 1]
He's gotten his favorite table in the restaurant even though somebody else was sitting there. The maitre d'id lost his mind and threw them out of the restaurant. He then got the chef, who's an oriental fusion chef, to cook his favorite meal from Il Rosso, the Italian restaurant for him. The the chef went out, found the recipe, and cooked it for him in the restaurant. So all those things.

[00:24:39] - [Speaker 1]
This is what people would do if you had mind control powers. You would go and set yourself up with a beautiful woman for the night, get a beautiful restaurant, your favorite restaurant, have your favorite meal, and get a beautiful bottle of wine. But look at the impact it has on the characters around. Look what happens to the maitre d'he thinks he's lost his mind. He thinks he's gone crazy.

[00:24:58] - [Speaker 1]
He's done something you would never do, which is throw out somebody who's already in the restaurant out of there. The chef, who's not even an Italian chef, went out and cooked a completely different meal that wasn't on the menu for this guy because of the influence he has on him. I love that. I love that they've taken mind control powers, how we would use them if you had, what's your favorite superpower, how would you use it, and turned it into something really creepy and scary for this character.

[00:25:22] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I completely agree. I think that that they as kind of I discussed, when you think about the the pantheon of superhero powers, mind control, Okay. Professor X kinda does it well, but obviously, you can't do to him because that's Fox or mutants. But no.

[00:25:41] - [Speaker 2]
The bit I think they're gonna do a lot around on this series is Stockholm syndrome. You've been kidnapped. You grow to love and care about. This is more what if you didn't? This is stock of forced Stockholm Syndrome, so you get PTSD after.

[00:25:56] - [Speaker 2]
And I think that that was you specifically, restaurant example was the the one again, another creepy bit was smile, Jessica.

[00:26:05] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:06] - [Speaker 2]
Again, then that comes back later on with hope. I think that's gonna be one of the the lines that's gonna kind of travel through the whole series.

[00:26:14] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Absolutely. Not only is he getting the the things that he wants to make his life better, he's also trying to tell people to enjoy it. He's also telling people to smile, to show on their face that they're enjoying it as much as he is. Creepy, creepy stuff.

[00:26:27] - [Speaker 2]
Creepy, creepy.

[00:26:28] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And I think in that instance, it also kinda looks slightly like bit of a cool power that you could, like, say, I want that Star Wars figure. It's very Jedi. It's like, it's really, like, really good in that sense. But obviously, he's using it for pure menace and evil.

[00:26:48] - [Speaker 1]
You

[00:26:48] - [Speaker 2]
know? These aren't the defenders you were looking for.

[00:26:51] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Wouldn't wouldn't they wouldn't the Black Friday experience be so much easier if you could walk through the crowds and go, I want that television and you wanna give it to me. Yeah. Okay. Crans.

[00:26:59] - [Speaker 1]
Exactly. Want it for free. You know? It'd be so much easier experience for everybody going on those shopping trips. Chris, do you wanna give us your second point?

[00:27:07] - [Speaker 2]
Sure. I I'm gonna stick kinda with the tone, and it's very much the then how adult this series is.

[00:27:16] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:27:17] - [Speaker 2]
It it's straight away, okay, we've got the PI. Could've that could've been taken a very more comedic element to it. Nope. This is she's she's an out she's now an alcoholic almost, Jessica, that she's downing bottles of whiskey. Those, like, two bottle different brands as well, I think you mentioned.

[00:27:35] - [Speaker 1]
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:37] - [Speaker 0]
She's not fussy with the the whiskey brand. It's Jim Beam, and I think Cutty Sark is by the by the bedside table. So, yeah.

[00:27:45] - [Speaker 2]
Is Cutty Sark a good one?

[00:27:47] - [Speaker 0]
It's a scotch. Oh, okay. An Irish whiskey. They need a Jameson.

[00:27:50] - [Speaker 2]
We'll we'll we'll see. I think we'll see Jameson. If not, listen up, Melissa. Get it in there. Reshoot.

[00:27:56] - [Speaker 2]
Reshoot.

[00:27:57] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I think that the I think they've replaced the old adage of, you know, the cigarette and whiskey with just a whiskey and a whiskey, I think.

[00:28:05] - [Speaker 2]
No. The best part was when she took the bottle, and then she had that sports bottle. Mhmm. And there's, like because she was running into a bit of reconnaissance, and then she just emptied the full bottle of whiskey into this metallic there. I was like, yeah.

[00:28:15] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Okay.

[00:28:15] - [Speaker 1]
I was wondering whether there was already some coke in there or something, but I don't think Jessica's a mixer kind of person.

[00:28:20] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, god. No. Not with Jim Bean. And I think, yeah, this this is going to be a very I think we're gonna discuss probably later the the the love sex relationship kind of points. Mhmm.

[00:28:33] - [Speaker 2]
But I think this show is very much going to have the adult undertone. Like, you could allow a 16, 17 year old, 15 year old to watch this. They wouldn't get all of it, but I think as an adult, kind of when you're in your late twenties, kind of thirties, you're gonna say, okay, she's suffering from PTSD, like post traumatic stress disorder. That is a real thing. And she they they're gonna they're gonna drag her down to the breaker even more than she is now in episode one.

[00:29:04] - [Speaker 2]
Absolutely. Like, they're about Stockholm Syndrome with this kidnapping. I think one of the key things was when knowing the Marvel universe and knowing some of the background origins of connections between Jessica Jones and Kilgrave, there's a very ominous elephant in the room in the storyline, which I we've everyone is like, we've all discussed slightly either on the fringes, because you don't want to talk about it, which is a forced encounter, we want to call it that. And I was pretty sure, up until watching episode before watching episode one was like, that's they're not going to do this. Yeah.

[00:29:42] - [Speaker 2]
They're not going to maybe they'll they'll they'll allude to it in some kind of flashback, but it never you'll never see it. You'll never you'll never hear about it. It would just be kind of there and un unspoken. Mhmm. No.

[00:29:56] - [Speaker 2]
No. I my guts now telling me this is going to be a major part of the storyline. It's gonna be spoken about. Hell, it might even be shown.

[00:30:03] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I did get a text from Chris last night just before the episodes were airing. Like, their episode episodes were airing in twelve hours, and I got a text from Chris last night going, how do you think how far do you think they're gonna push this show? Do you think they're gonna show that big moment? And I'm going, you're gonna have to watch, Chris.

[00:30:17] - [Speaker 1]
There are definitely very intense adult scenes in this episode. I think they can go as far as they want to with this show. It's definitely made for adults.

[00:30:25] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:30:26] - [Speaker 0]
Definitely. Yeah. I mean, I think that that definitely comes onto one of my points, and that's the relationships, but also just the fact that they have this implicit and explicit sexuality, the real, the the the flirting, and so on is actually really refreshing to see. You know, it's it's it's a natural part of any relationship, whether it's loving, whether it's, violent, whether it's tense. You know, these things happen within within, relationships.

[00:30:58] - [Speaker 0]
And I think we we we see and we know about all those different, facets of it. And I I think this is really, really, great to see Marvel taking that handle and saying that, you know, people do have sex, and they have sex for various reasons, because they just want a physical thing, a an emotional thing

[00:31:20] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:31:21] - [Speaker 0]
Or it it's a power thing. And all these things coming together. I mean, you know, at the

[00:31:26] - [Speaker 1]
end of the day,

[00:31:28] - [Speaker 0]
we haven't seen a scene like that between, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage in a Marvel film Absolutely. At all. Like, that is a proper, like, noir film kind of, take and look at a sexual encounter. Like, that's really good. You have, Joan Hogarth played by Carrie Anne Moss, who has a lesbian relationship with one of her interns or or secretaries or or clerical workers, but is also in a relationship.

[00:32:01] - [Speaker 0]
And that harks back to this whole thing, right at the start where New York is a city that likes to sleep around

[00:32:08] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:32:08] - [Speaker 0]
That Jessica talks about. Then you have the Kilgrave element from the comics, which, you know, has kind of been alluded to in the sense that we know there's a troubled past there, between, Jessica and Kilgrave. It's not being taken as far as we know it is in the comics, but it it it's there and it's present.

[00:32:29] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:32:29] - [Speaker 0]
It's driving, Jessica Jones' fear, to to get on a plane and get out of Hong Kong.

[00:32:35] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I would definitely say that the lick is an indication of how how invasive already we're we're seeing this. We probably will see it a bit more invasive later on in the in the series as those characters get a bit closer, I suppose. But but, yeah, definitely, there's some invasiveness there.

[00:32:50] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And even then with Trish Walker and Jessica, the the you know, is that just a friendship? Is it a relationship that's been there in the past, or is it just maybe a superhero thing of but, you know, coming together and being together and empathizing with one another? But, again, all these relationships, I think, are excellent.

[00:33:10] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:33:10] - [Speaker 0]
And the fact that they are also showing, that sexual aspect to it is great, I think.

[00:33:17] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I think what Daredevil did for violence or for the MCU violence in terms of it was very bloody. It was one bam. I'm not in a thank you, ma'am. It was just like the spike in the head.

[00:33:29] - [Speaker 2]
Remember?

[00:33:30] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:30] - [Speaker 2]
Did they do the card war scene as you remember you reminded me about I've completely forgot about the card war scene.

[00:33:35] - [Speaker 1]
Shane is

[00:33:35] - [Speaker 2]
still mixed with me. I don't know. Who wants a shake? But, no, I think this is this is gonna have the adult tones. I I, like, I think you you'll watch this and kinda go, okay.

[00:33:47] - [Speaker 2]
I see where they're going with it.

[00:33:48] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:33:49] - [Speaker 2]
And I think it's right. As I said, Marvel did the Mac series, and that was a fantastic one with Punisher and all that because and Nick Fury. Sorry. I I always forget about Nick Fury.

[00:34:00] - [Speaker 1]
One of the best runs.

[00:34:03] - [Speaker 2]
I think it's because there's an audience there.

[00:34:05] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:34:05] - [Speaker 2]
So I think some younger generations will enjoy this for what it is. It's a slightly Marvel esque kind of detective show. I think older generation comic book fans will guess that this is trying to show the universe in a darker the dark side of the Marvel universe. And then I think from what I can guess so far, I think the law and order, special victims unit type of audience will enjoy the show as well because it's it's got law and order, but, special victims, and then it's got some superpowers sprinkled in just for the everyone else.

[00:34:41] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I mean, I think just coming back to the the sex scene as well, you know Always. Absolutely. It was like you know, it was pretty hot, actually. And I mean, quite frankly, I love the, you know, this this slight lady and this big hulking sort of pumped man together.

[00:35:00] - [Speaker 0]
And I love the, I loved how, you know, she says, don't worry. I won't break. It's kind of alluding to, you know, the unbreakable Luke Cage and so on. And I know we had had that chat immediately after about whether, you know, does Luke Cage already have his powers? Yeah.

[00:35:18] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. It kind of alludes within that intimate moment that he does. He doesn't want to hurt her. He said

[00:35:26] - [Speaker 1]
he says, I'm I I am going to hurt you if I go any harder, I suppose, would be the way we do it.

[00:35:32] - [Speaker 2]
Get work faster.

[00:35:33] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Better. But there's almost that allusion to the fact that he is already superpowered, and she's telling him I'm superpowered, so I the two of us work very well together, essentially. Yeah.

[00:35:43] - [Speaker 0]
Exactly. And, of course, I don't want to bring it down to to base, but, you know, I did spot within the cobas, in the bathroom after, the sex scene, there was a little jar of Vaseline

[00:35:55] - [Speaker 1]
as well.

[00:35:55] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah. Geeta geeta.

[00:35:57] - [Speaker 1]
While the rest of

[00:35:57] - [Speaker 0]
us were looking take that out if you think While the rest

[00:36:00] - [Speaker 1]
of us were looking at the photograph that was in there.

[00:36:02] - [Speaker 2]
Yes. That's what I was gonna say. The rest of us go, oh my god. What's that? Is that part of his origin story?

[00:36:07] - [Speaker 2]
He's like, oh, Vasily. Yeah. I think that sex scene set the tone in that it was very much, okay. This guy's this is what you're gonna get. This is the types of psychological stuff you're gonna see.

[00:36:19] - [Speaker 2]
This is the types of mind messing you're gonna see. Absolutely. Oh, here's some of the sex scenes you're gonna see. Yeah. I I love how Luke Cage and Jessica Jones went straight from flirting in the bar to sex in his apartment.

[00:36:33] - [Speaker 2]
And I was like, that's real life.

[00:36:35] - [Speaker 1]
Absolutely. The

[00:36:35] - [Speaker 2]
gritty side of real life.

[00:36:36] - [Speaker 1]
And one of the things that people are always worried about Disney buying Marvel that this would have a huge effect on how these movies and TV shows were going that Disney would Disneyfy them. There is no way possible twenty years ago or ten years ago that Disney would allow these kind of scenes in their shows. They would definitely have you know, oh, well, they're gonna something big has to happen beforehand. They have to go on five or six dates before they end off in each other's apartment. You know?

[00:37:00] - [Speaker 1]
And that's not the same now.

[00:37:02] - [Speaker 2]
Although I would love to see some of the the the Jessica Jones versions of the Disney princesses. That would be amazing. Princess Jasmine, Sleeping Beauty, like, on a night out on the town, getting turned going to the and all the men. Like, I I I'm pretty I I'm pretty sure there is pornos, like, set around those. I'm sure.

[00:37:20] - [Speaker 2]
But I'd still like to see the TV show. They I'm

[00:37:23] - [Speaker 0]
sure there are, but as well, can I just bring it back to actually one of my other points as well? Okay. Just because I think it links in, and it's something Chris has said, which is one of my favorite scenes because it's both bringing Jessica Jones' character and Luke Cage's character is the lead up to the sex scene, the whole flirting in the bar. Absolutely. I think, you know, it starts off with a great line from Luke Cage, which is there's a lot of bull from such a small woman.

[00:37:53] - [Speaker 0]
And, you know, Jessica is probing and trying to sort of investigate Luke Cage, and, you know, she she asks them, have you got family, friends that live around here? And he goes, no. I've got regulars. And it is a great line.

[00:38:08] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:38:08] - [Speaker 0]
And there's just this lovely back and forth between the two of them, which I think really develops their relationship, really, develops each individual characters, you know, as kind of Jessica Jones kind of picks Luke Cage apart that she goes, you know, you'll allow someone to be sick over you, but if they break something intentionally, then you you will go after them. You know, there's memories in this bar, but there's no memorabilia. And you care for this dive bar. Yeah. Like, it's a really great thing that builds up this this tension between the two leads into that sex scene.

[00:38:45] - [Speaker 0]
You know, Luke is kinda going, this is how you flirt, isn't it? This is what you're doing. Like, I just love that scene. That for me was one of the best scenes, in this episode as well. Yeah.

[00:38:59] - [Speaker 0]
And what it leads to as a defining moment maybe for for Marvel on TV or or Marvel anywhere is, like, fantastic.

[00:39:06] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. And I love that that Jessica's response to him telling her that's how you flirt is. I don't flirt. I just tell you what I want. And then it cuts straight to the sex scene, which I think is brilliant.

[00:39:15] - [Speaker 1]
A beautiful moment for for Jessica, essentially, just to assert herself as a woman in this moment going, well, I'm telling you what I want. You don't have to play coy with me. You don't have to do anything. I want to go to bed with you, and I'm gonna it's gonna happen, essentially. So, yeah.

[00:39:28] - [Speaker 1]
Really, really good.

[00:39:29] - [Speaker 2]
On that, though, I think the actress choice with Witter Oh. Was is just down.

[00:39:35] - [Speaker 0]
She is Definitely.

[00:39:36] - [Speaker 2]
She she has the what I've always imagined Jessica Jones tone and style and vocalization and directness, which we you'd see in the comics between herself and Luke Cage, and him her and Colt Colter? Mhmm. Yeah. When they that chemistry, I I was a bit worried. I didn't think there would be chemistry.

[00:39:58] - [Speaker 1]
Really?

[00:39:59] - [Speaker 2]
Like, I've you kinda see something like no. There's chemistry there. Like, that that's a that's a well thought out casting choice, and the two of them are fantastic actors. The bit I like is, obviously, Ritter was known for many films and TV shows, but the bitch in Apartment 23. She's channeling elements of that.

[00:40:22] - [Speaker 2]
Really? And I think just skipping to the very end when she at the episode, when she turns around and looks in the with the camera pans, and she's looking at the camera, then she walks back in. That's very much the bitch's back.

[00:40:34] - [Speaker 1]
Right.

[00:40:34] - [Speaker 2]
Right. I'm not going anywhere. And I was like, that's what you expect from this hardened kind of whiskey drinking PI.

[00:40:42] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And it kinda brings me on to my next point, which is about Luke Cage himself.

[00:40:48] - [Speaker 1]
That character is great. Really enjoy him. Yeah. I totally agree with the casting of of Christian Ritter being brilliant, but the casting of Mike Coulter here, I think we saw photographs of him just after being cast and instantly, went, that's our Luke Cage. I totally see it.

[00:41:02] - [Speaker 1]
I I get it. I can see how he can even hold his own show already just from these couple of scenes that are in here. But my actual point is really about the portrayal of men in the episode. And up until Luke Cage, we got no good men in here, which I think is really interesting. No no dependable men, nobody that was really honest in working with with with Jessica.

[00:41:22] - [Speaker 1]
We had the father of the kidnapped daughter who's more worried about her door and fixing it than he is about telling her the story of the daughter that's been kidnapped. And we had the useless college student who essentially gets slapped across the face That is

[00:41:37] - [Speaker 2]
so brilliant.

[00:41:38] - [Speaker 1]
In a hilarious moment because he's trying to make his arty project. They're useless background characters to all the strong female characters in here. Malcolm? That's brilliant. Malcolm, I will talk about that because I love him.

[00:41:49] - [Speaker 1]
I think he's great already. But he's he's useless again. And I love this. It there's a there's a test that's done on Hollywood films by by some groups essentially that talk about, you know, whether a film passes the test of can a woman go through more than one scene in a film that doesn't talk about a boyfriend or doesn't relate to the main male protagonist in that show or TV show. But don't they all

[00:42:14] - [Speaker 2]
talk about the boyfriends in the in, like, child and Isn't that only joking. Yeah. But, like But

[00:42:19] - [Speaker 1]
it's amazing how many how much of a proportion of movies fail that test. It's over 95% of films have the female character talking about the male character or the male protagonist in those shows. It's so refreshing to see that this isn't dependent on a male character. You've got Jaren Hogarth, who's a lesbian, as John mentioned, who is surrounded by females around her. You got Kristen Reddish's character of Jessica, whose best friend is Trish Walker.

[00:42:44] - [Speaker 1]
It's not a another male. The only other male in her life is, as you said, Malcolm, who is complete loser, who has nothing useful for her, but he's he's local to her. And and then the first person that she meets in the show that we see is Luke Cage, the first male that's actually dependable. I can spar with her, and there's a really good rapport between the two. And I think that's really fascinating to see.

[00:43:07] - [Speaker 2]
And is she investigating him?

[00:43:09] - [Speaker 1]
That's an interesting one.

[00:43:10] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I I had that as well because she talks about an case Yeah. That she wants to get. Like, she's she's just gotten into bed and, like, there's obviously stuff wearing around in her head. She gets up.

[00:43:22] - [Speaker 0]
She fills the flask with whiskey. She goes out, and then she's kind of got the camera trained on a building, but then it focuses on on, on Luke Cage. And I was just like, you know, she talks about she just can't let it go. And is it just purely that Luke Cage was a previous investigation or or is an ongoing investigation? Or is it just that she's spotted him for a while now, and she's wanted to sort of hook up with him?

[00:43:48] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Like, I felt the same thing as, like, is that why she's investigating this?

[00:43:53] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And that's why I thought so I I actually think there's going to be you're right. They're they're basically it's not a a feminist bird brat burning type show, but it is. There are useless men and or evil men. I think Luke Cage is going to fall in the possible middle.

[00:44:09] - [Speaker 2]
He may be a mark from previous case, or he so he was cheating on or he like, we see a woman Mhmm. Come out of the park. Could that be his wife? And then he's just gone and Jessica's entrapped him and slept with

[00:44:24] - [Speaker 1]
him. Maybe.

[00:44:24] - [Speaker 2]
Not meaning to do it means just keep an eye and then she fell in love with him. Blah blah blah. Yeah. Like, could it be he's married?

[00:44:31] - [Speaker 1]
May maybe. Maybe. I I I took it slightly differently. I don't know why. Maybe it's just the seeing it the second time or just knowing that there's such a a pressure on Jessica from her past.

[00:44:41] - [Speaker 1]
The way I was kinda seeing it is, is she investigating him to make sure that he won't hurt her before she approaches him for a conversation? So she he says that he sees her outside the bar very often, but she never comes in and invites her in for free drinks, essentially, for the night. Great flirting way. That's it. Any any bartenders out there, that's obviously how you get your women.

[00:45:01] - [Speaker 1]
Bring them indoors and fly them full of alcohol. But I do like that. I wonder, did is she investigating him not because of a case, but because she wants to make sure this isn't gonna be someone that hurts him, wants to make sure that he is the right kind of man for her. I just thought that was quite an interesting talk. Yeah.

[00:45:16] - [Speaker 1]
No.

[00:45:16] - [Speaker 2]
No. Yeah.

[00:45:16] - [Speaker 0]
Definitely. And, of course, let's not forget the other useless man, the one that she's actually trying to serve papers to for Jaren Hogarth, and, like, fantastic where it's, I'll melt your insides with laser beams Yeah. And all that. And she's like

[00:45:34] - [Speaker 2]
Laser eyes.

[00:45:35] - [Speaker 0]
Laser eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and she just goes, what a moron as she walks away. Like, that is that's the most useless of those men.

[00:45:44] - [Speaker 0]
Like, I think in fairness to the father, I think he might be deflecting from his anxiety over his lost daughter, Hope, and that's why he's fiddling with the door. Yeah. But it's it's it's his wife who is focused on making sure that the daughter is found definitely. Exactly. He can't

[00:46:01] - [Speaker 1]
even build up the strength to talk to Jessica. The worst thing listeners about going third in podcast where it's a five point podcast is somebody always steals your points just before you say them and sometimes doesn't give them your full your full points. So I'm gonna jump in and throw in my point at that my favorite scene in the episode.

[00:46:17] - [Speaker 0]
Think we've all talked

[00:46:18] - [Speaker 1]
about favorite scenes so far, but my favorite scene is serving the summons to spare us. It's lots of s's.

[00:46:24] - [Speaker 2]
Fish, fish.

[00:46:25] - [Speaker 1]
I I love it, particularly because he calls out something that one of our listeners had a question about, which is why is Jessica Jones ignored in this world if she has superpowers? And he calls it out. Sferis says to her, I'm gonna tell everybody you have superpowers. I'm gonna tell everybody you held up the car. You threatened me with your violent acts, and and you'll be thrown out of hiding, everybody will hate you.

[00:46:46] - [Speaker 1]
And she calls it out immediately. She says, nobody cares because nobody wants to believe that a little woman like me can do all of this stuff. Nobody will believe you, essentially. I love that little call out to the fact that she is part of this wider Avengers universe, this wider Marvel superhero universe. She has powers, and he's trying to threaten her with us.

[00:47:04] - [Speaker 1]
But this isn't like this isn't like X Men. This isn't like heroes where revealing her secret identity as a superhero is gonna make is gonna ruin her life. Her life's pretty much ruined already. She's a hard drinking woman who is pretty much destroyed. She doesn't care what anybody thinks of her, and she'll use her powers to get to get a paycheck, essentially.

[00:47:24] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And I so I'm gonna jump in on this one because it was one of my points, superpowers as a whole. In the MTU, so we're pretty much expected to believe that the timeline with our current where we are now present day Mhmm. Is pretty much similar. So what?

[00:47:39] - [Speaker 2]
02/2002, was the Avengers? So Iron Man.

[00:47:44] - [Speaker 1]
Wait. 2002. Is it that long ago? Wow. That's a long time, isn't it?

[00:47:47] - [Speaker 2]
I'll double check. And and I'll I'll basically put it in on the the next, or later on in the episode. But so what we're saying is this is still a new thing. Like, it's a it's a decade of kind of superheroes. But what you're seeing is it's used to probably only the big guys.

[00:48:04] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:48:04] - [Speaker 2]
So obviously, in civil war, they oh my god. Sorry. It was 2008.

[00:48:10] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, right.

[00:48:10] - [Speaker 2]
Okay. Okay. That's a bit better. Right? So it's eight years ago.

[00:48:14] - [Speaker 2]
They they they've only seen like the attack on New York City. Mhmm. And we've seen in obviously, of Ultron, which is this is set it after Age of Ultron. And they there was an attacker, they're only seeing these world changing. And there's probably only people who are going man in the iron suit, the guy with the magical hammer, like a guy who turns green.

[00:48:36] - [Speaker 2]
They're not seeing little miss Jones walking down. Superpowers are new. Superpowers are scary, but they don't care. They still will shrug it off. And I think that's what I think that's part of what this is this show will be about, which is nobody's gonna believe in superpowers Mhmm.

[00:48:55] - [Speaker 2]
At the first go. And when they do, that's when they're gonna get scared. Yeah. So, like, that's, I think, also how they'll bring in the iron fist magical elements, which is, like, Madame Gao is doing all this crazy stuff, but no one thinks this little old lady's doing it. And they think people are like, you're taking drugs, you're drunk, or you're crazy.

[00:49:15] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:49:15] - [Speaker 2]
And like, how how it's because we saw Jessica, she jumped, like, what, two stories? Or did she fly two stories? I would need to figure that one out.

[00:49:25] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:49:25] - [Speaker 2]
Hopefully, we'll see her fly, because I want her to fly. Okay.

[00:49:30] - [Speaker 1]
We'll see.

[00:49:30] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't think they'll do the flying in this because it's a bit too hero esque then if they do it.

[00:49:36] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. We'll see. There's there is also Supergirl on TV at the moment as well. So I'm yeah. I I'm I'm liking how they show her powers in this episode.

[00:49:43] - [Speaker 1]
Definitely.

[00:49:43] - [Speaker 2]
Lifting the car was brilliant. I'm just holding did you see she held was holding the finger with the corridor?

[00:49:49] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, that was brilliant. Yeah. He was pushing it back.

[00:49:51] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. But then she just had her finger against it. Yeah. So, obviously, he was still trying to push, and she was just holding with her, like, finger. Yeah.

[00:49:57] - [Speaker 2]
It's like, it's gonna be interesting, I think, how they portray superpowers and and how more how the world of the the of the MCU Netflix. We'll go but we'll call it m n MCU? Maybe. The Netflix MCU? Yep.

[00:50:17] - [Speaker 2]
How that's going to react to a girl who just picked up a car? Yeah. To a guy who can control other people? Yeah. And I think you said it when the with the waiter part, at the beginning of the when we saw the Kilgrave, we didn't see Kilgrave, we heard Kilgrave talk to Jessica in this flashback scene.

[00:50:37] - [Speaker 2]
The maitre d was like, I don't know. I'm going crazy. Why did I kick people out? Mhmm. He's not open to some guy just mind control me.

[00:50:47] - [Speaker 1]
Absolutely.

[00:50:48] - [Speaker 2]
I think that's gonna be interesting.

[00:50:50] - [Speaker 1]
Definitely.

[00:50:50] - [Speaker 2]
Like, can we see will a cop put a gun on another cop? Mhmm. Because Killgrave told him to. It's gonna be interesting.

[00:50:59] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Definitely. Like, I

[00:51:00] - [Speaker 0]
love the no. I like, I love the subtlety of the superpowers Yeah. In this. Like, yeah, Daredevil has them as well, but they're much more under the radar. Pardon the pun.

[00:51:10] - [Speaker 0]
And definitely, it's it's it's really much more subtle. Hers are much more obvious to people if you can fly or if you have super strength. Daredevils are are much more paired back and internal to to how he operates because otherwise, he primarily has the the martial arts element that that drives his his physical presence in the world here. Jessica Jones, like, even with the door handles, breaking the the door handle off and saying, oh, the door was open and all this kind of thing. I thought it was a really nice subtle way of introducing her super hero powers.

[00:51:49] - [Speaker 0]
The fact that she can do some of these, extraordinary things, but not taking it too far.

[00:51:56] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:51:56] - [Speaker 0]
At least not at this stage and maybe building it up. It'll be interesting to see how it it pans out over the other 12 episodes.

[00:52:04] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. And I know we don't know how she got her superpowers. And and I think in Daredevil, they waited till episode two to talk about how he got the superpowers, or did they? Or was it a little bit in episode one as well, the flashback to another child? It was Was that how it opened?

[00:52:16] - [Speaker 1]
So in this episode, am am I right in saying this is the first Marvel character that that is in the world with their superpowers, and we haven't seen their origin in their intro? Because I don't think we've seen I don't think we've seen any origin. Iron Man has a suit, which he built himself. Captain America was given the super soldier serum, so he wasn't born with this essentially. Daredevil was created after having the accident.

[00:52:40] - [Speaker 1]
Floor is from another planet.

[00:52:42] - [Speaker 2]
Hope are we is that Hope

[00:52:44] - [Speaker 1]
is an experiment as well.

[00:52:45] - [Speaker 2]
These is that canon?

[00:52:46] - [Speaker 1]
Pretty much. Well, the, Ed Norton one is definitely canon. So But we didn't see that. Said in that. Yeah.

[00:52:52] - [Speaker 1]
They did. They said it was a an experiment that went wrong. So is Jessica the first superpowered human now that we don't have an origin of her powers? Does she has she always had these? I'm interested to know.

[00:53:02] - [Speaker 0]
And maybe there's two as well with Luke Cage. So

[00:53:06] - [Speaker 2]
And, well, Kilgrave.

[00:53:07] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. And Kilgrave. Yeah. So this so this could be a whole show of powered individuals that are coming out of the woodwork.

[00:53:13] - [Speaker 1]
So that's really interesting.

[00:53:14] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. So, Chris, what's what's your next point?

[00:53:18] - [Speaker 2]
Okay. I'm gonna go very quickly into it, and it's one that I have a serious gripe with.

[00:53:22] - [Speaker 1]
Okay.

[00:53:22] - [Speaker 2]
We're back to gifted Okay. Gifted individuals. Just Marvel and Disney have enough money. They bought Star Wars. Okay.

[00:53:33] - [Speaker 2]
It's not Activision's and Candy Crush type money, which was what, like, point 2,000,000,000. Wow. But it was more than Star Wars, Disney buying Star Wars for the Activision Candy Crush acquisition. Sorry. I got really business nerdy on there for really nerdy things too.

[00:53:50] - [Speaker 2]
But it's they need to buy the rights back for superheroes or special or because we've got All mutants, maybe? Mutants. I that's what I want. Because what we what do you have? You have enhanced Mhmm.

[00:54:04] - [Speaker 2]
In Marvel's agent shield, which is in the same universe.

[00:54:08] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:54:08] - [Speaker 2]
It's MTU. So why don't they just call it that? Because I know you brought up a point because that's in humans.

[00:54:14] - [Speaker 1]
Yes.

[00:54:15] - [Speaker 2]
They have to use that for the inhumans when explained. So what so we're gonna have a not we're second round now of people, which is just gonna be gifted. Are you gifted or are you enhanced? Yeah. But then what does that make bookie?

[00:54:26] - [Speaker 2]
What does that make?

[00:54:42] - [Speaker 1]
Think they may have just taken the term and expanded into the universe so that they don't have to use the term mutants, which they don't don't, unfortunately. I think it's possibly that, but it is it is an interesting point, isn't it? But I I like it. And because I kinda look at it in the way they use it in The Walking Dead, where they don't call dead people zombies because they never saw a zombie move or a zombie TV show. And every group they encounter across the course of that series and across across the course of those books, every group has a different name for the characters.

[00:55:09] - [Speaker 1]
Sometimes it's walkers, sometimes it's something else because they that's their experience, they've come up with their own word for it. So in these pockets of the Marvel Universe, the reason why they don't call them particular examples is because it's still quite small. I know it seems seems like it shouldn't be after eight films, but it's still quite small. There's still quite a small number of people involved, and there's nothing splashed across the front of the Daily Bugle that tells you what to call these characters. It's I'm calling you gifted because, well, you are gifted to me because you're better at running or better at jumping than I am.

[00:55:39] - [Speaker 1]
So you're gifted at that. But, yeah, I think it's an interesting point.

[00:55:43] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I just think I think they need to because we're gonna the cannon's getting bigger. The universe is getting bigger with each new property. They need to pick something.

[00:55:53] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:55:53] - [Speaker 2]
Because what you have and I know my girlfriend is gonna I'm gonna she's gonna hear the word gifted, and I've tried to explain that enhanced is actually in humans and their protagonist and their kind of aliens biology, and they got Cretan. She just doesn't get was just like, whoom. Yeah. And it's only because I I have a fascination with the Marvel universe and every all the comics and love the connected parts of it. But, no, they need to settle soon.

[00:56:19] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:56:20] - [Speaker 2]
Because additionally, we we chatted about this over text yesterday before the show, before it came out. It's like, will we see cameos from Colson

[00:56:28] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:56:29] - [Speaker 2]
Or Daisy? Or we we know we'll probably see kind of Matt Murdock or and or his alter ego daredevil

[00:56:39] - [Speaker 1]
at some point. Maybe.

[00:56:40] - [Speaker 2]
Because they'll keep the Netflix. But will they bring in the the the agents of shields? Mhmm. And if they do, will they use the word gifted or enhance? Will Daisy turn around and go, oh, you're gifted.

[00:56:51] - [Speaker 2]
You're you're enhanced too. I'm like, I'm not enhanced. I'm gifted. Oh, no. Well, okay.

[00:56:55] - [Speaker 2]
Well, I'm enhanced. Oh, are we different? We're not different? Yeah. We haven't talked about mutants yet.

[00:57:00] - [Speaker 2]
Like, they're not even in this the universe. Yeah. We've got just people with superhero powers.

[00:57:04] - [Speaker 1]
I know.

[00:57:05] - [Speaker 2]
And, well, we got Thor as an alien.

[00:57:07] - [Speaker 1]
Yes.

[00:57:07] - [Speaker 2]
K. Different. But, no, I just think they need to He's

[00:57:09] - [Speaker 0]
a god.

[00:57:09] - [Speaker 1]
No. He's not a god.

[00:57:10] - [Speaker 2]
He's not a god. He's an alien. No. No. They do I think I think we just need to pick a term and stick to it.

[00:57:16] - [Speaker 2]
As That's interesting. As as an audience, we need to go, okay. You're gonna use the word enhanced. You're gonna use the word gifted. We're gonna see just pick a bucket, and and we're gonna catch all term like, oh, you're a pen.

[00:57:29] - [Speaker 2]
Good. Okay. So going forward, I'm going to refer to all superhero powers or superhero people as pens.

[00:57:35] - [Speaker 1]
I think this is gonna be how the civil war starts

[00:57:38] - [Speaker 2]
over the term of the music.

[00:57:40] - [Speaker 1]
It's Daisy versus Jessica. Jessica wants to call herself gift gifted, and Daisy wants to call herself

[00:57:45] - [Speaker 2]
Enhanced.

[00:57:45] - [Speaker 1]
Enhanced. And that's how the civil war begins. Whose side are you on, listeners? John, do you wanna give us your next point?

[00:57:51] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I'm sat here with my Iron Fist t shirt on, and I see that Jaron Hogarth, Carrie Anne Moss is here. Another link to the Iron Fist, and this is basically as well on the back of the news that Joe Cassada has said that Marvel and Netflix are still developing Iron Fist. You know, there have been rumors that this may have been shelved and may have been scrapped. But we had Madame Gao and the, steel serpent symbol in Daredevil.

[00:58:21] - [Speaker 0]
We now have, a gender bending Jaren Hogarth as Karen Carrie Anne Moss, and, the Iron Fist connection there. Her, character is ultimately a a legal firm. It's a lawyer who hopefully has connections to Danny Rand. So for me, this is really cool. Yeah.

[00:58:45] - [Speaker 0]
It's really good. You know, she's there in the the law firm, and it's Hogarth Chow. So there is an eastern influence there. And there's a third partner, which I I actually can't remember. I didn't take that down in in my notes.

[00:59:00] - [Speaker 0]
But there's three partners

[00:59:01] - [Speaker 1]
did at Denowitz, I think. And Denowitz.

[00:59:03] - [Speaker 0]
So it's Hogarth Chow and Denowitz. That's the legal partnership. And this to me is a great little, nuggets of information that here we have Jaron Hogarth who may come and become the, CEO of Rand Corp. All those elements, just being teased here as well, connected with Jessica Jones. And, obviously, even just having Luke Cage there, who is one of Danny Rand's friends in Heroes for Hire.

[00:59:34] - [Speaker 0]
Fantastic. So I'm a happy bunny as well here at the moment in relation to Iron Fist coming down the the line and in the the Marvel Netflix schedule Yeah. In the future.

[00:59:46] - [Speaker 1]
I like that I like that they're continuing the connections again to to Iron Fist and setting it up for the month as well. They've got some episodes to talk about. I don't think there's gonna be a huge amount in Jessica Jones. Probably gonna be a lot in, in Luke Cage setting up Iron Fist. But, yeah, yeah, really good really good spot there, John.

[01:00:01] - [Speaker 0]
So, Derek, what's your next point?

[01:00:03] - [Speaker 1]
My next point is about hope. Erin Moriarty playing the character. Really, I'm gonna leave the bigger point to somebody else, but I have to just say the casting of this actress in the part is fantastic for me. It gave me that instant moment of, yep, she's a college student, really good career, and she's been kidnapped, and everybody's just ignoring it. Her best friend is ignoring it saying some guy's involved.

[01:00:26] - [Speaker 1]
Doesn't matter. Her parents are kind of ignoring it because she's calling them every week. And the actual actress who's playing this part is doing a fantastic job. I saw I saw her heart break in in moments later on in the episode, which I think one of you guys has the point for. I saw the moment when when she's confronted by Jessica and asked to leave the clutches of Kilgrave, the moment when she tells tells her, I can't leave because he told me to stay, and I've wet the bed.

[01:00:51] - [Speaker 1]
And it's a real interesting moment because it could come across as a kind of funny moment, but she plays it as totally trapped here, and you don't understand to everybody around her that nobody else would understand what she's going through. I understood it from her face, from her expression, and from the acting of this actress. Such a well cast part. Fantastic work for from this actress who I've never seen anything else before. Delighted to to see this character in there.

[01:01:16] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. She she was really, really good. I mean, I love the scene where, you know, Kilgrave's still in her mind. She's been five hours on the bed in the hotel room.

[01:01:26] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[01:01:27] - [Speaker 0]
And Jessica is trying to get her out of the hotel room. And that fight, that irrational fight with Jessica Jones to just stay in this bedroom. Yeah. And the only reason it's resolved is because she's knocked out on the door frame. Like, I love that.

[01:01:42] - [Speaker 0]
I thought that was a really cool little scene, actually. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Chris, what's your next point? Trish Walker.

[01:01:50] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. So I think so in some of the comic books, Jessica Jones did have a brief string stint as a journalist with her. Don't think she's gonna do that. She won't have had that background in this. I think we see that Trish talk, her Trish Walker's talk show.

[01:02:08] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Trish talk. I was on a bus.

[01:02:11] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[01:02:11] - [Speaker 2]
So I think Trish is going to be the media side of this

[01:02:17] - [Speaker 1]
Very good.

[01:02:17] - [Speaker 2]
Kind of series.

[01:02:18] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:02:19] - [Speaker 2]
I think we don't know that relationship, but you alluded to it. Could they be ex lovers? Could they could they be just best friends? Mhmm. So for our listeners out there, Trish Walker is Conan from the Marvel Universe.

[01:02:33] - [Speaker 2]
Mhmm. She's also known as Hellcat. She is a superhero. She had psychic powers.

[01:02:38] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[01:02:38] - [Speaker 2]
She is a fighter. She does have psych psychic powers in the comic books. So I'm wondering, are they best friends? Well, how much does she seems like she knows all about the Kilgrave story? Yeah.

[01:02:51] - [Speaker 2]
Did did Trish Walker savor? Is Trish gifted as well already? And just hiding it? How how? What is the background?

[01:03:03] - [Speaker 2]
What does she know? But like, I'm just very, that's the side story I want right now. Yeah, I want to know more about that. I love the actress. I don't like it.

[01:03:13] - [Speaker 2]
She's one of the very much, you know, face, but can't point to where she was before. But it I think it's it's gonna be interesting. I I do I would love to see her don the hellcat, some kind of hellcat costume. I don't know if we're costumes level. Daredevil waited till the very last Yeah.

[01:03:32] - [Speaker 2]
Episode. So I don't think we're gonna get the jewel costume. I don't think we're gonna get power power man's armor

[01:03:39] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[01:03:39] - [Speaker 2]
Straight away.

[01:03:40] - [Speaker 1]
We did get we did get Luke Cage in his yellow shirt right at the start of the episode, which I thought was a nice little touch.

[01:03:44] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. But I want him in a silver headband with, like, the the snare.

[01:03:48] - [Speaker 1]
Afro back.

[01:03:48] - [Speaker 2]
I do. I want I want afro power, man. Like, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna do funky where you go sweet Christmas. Like, it's just gonna be really bad. Uh-huh.

[01:03:58] - [Speaker 2]
But, no, I think that that that was I think that's something interesting. I want to see where that goes.

[01:04:02] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I totally agree. Trish Walker's character is really interesting one. I like how fully formed the character is. It's not their best friends because they call each other every night on the phone.

[01:04:09] - [Speaker 1]
They're best friends because she does know about Kilgrave. She knows everything that Jessica's gone through, and Jessica's ignored her for months and then turns up on her doorstep, well, on her windowsill, at night and asks her for quite quite a lot of money to pay for a trip trip to another country. And she says to her, I haven't heard from you in months, but the money's yours. So they are best friends because there's an existing history and a really deep connection there between the two of them, not because they've got they talk to their boyfriends every night. It's a good connection and a good character again.

[01:04:38] - [Speaker 0]
And Trish is the one that puts the the little sort of nuggets of of an idea in Jessica's mind that that maybe she should stay and fight

[01:04:49] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[01:04:49] - [Speaker 0]
And and help other people who really can't deal with Kilgrave. There's this idea that Jessica at least has some way of being able to deal with him to break the spell that he can hold on people and that she should try and use that in order to help other people who really aren't able to do that. So I really like that little bit as well. Yeah.

[01:05:11] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And okay. So the question is, I know when we talk about it very quickly in our in the synopsis, she's an ex superhero. Mhmm. Is she an ex superhero?

[01:05:20] - [Speaker 2]
Is that confirmed? Did she do a stint in a costume already? And she's now down and out.

[01:05:25] - [Speaker 1]
She says it's Luke. Yeah. She says it's Luke. I've tried it before. That's where that's what got me into this.

[01:05:30] - [Speaker 1]
This is my new job. And she says that she's a PI, so she's confirming she was a superhero at some point. So Well,

[01:05:35] - [Speaker 2]
that was in the trailer.

[01:05:36] - [Speaker 1]
No. No. That was in the conversation in the back.

[01:05:38] - [Speaker 2]
She said she didn't mention superhero.

[01:05:40] - [Speaker 1]
She didn't mention superhero. She said she's done that before. The PI part is her new job. Yeah. She's trying to settle into it.

[01:05:47] - [Speaker 1]
So my feeling and we'll probably get it in a later episode. I don't wanna go into too much because we'll have nothing to talk about in the future episodes. My feeling is that this is why Kilgrave may have targeted her. Yeah. Essentially, he found out that she had powers, and he targeted her.

[01:05:59] - [Speaker 1]
So we'll see that probably in a future episode. We haven't seen any episodes, so we're hopefully not spoiling anything that that may be, maybe a shot.

[01:06:05] - [Speaker 2]
Well, I kinda well, I'm putting money down is Trish has something to do with the superhero element.

[01:06:10] - [Speaker 1]
Right.

[01:06:10] - [Speaker 2]
Because she was their best friend. She she probably she's a talk show host. She may be psychic half Harrah's as well. Yeah. I think there's a was there a a jewel in Hellcat team up back in the day when they were teen when they were 20 year olds?

[01:06:24] - [Speaker 1]
There is there is an avenger in the comic books. And, I don't wanna spoil the comic books either, but there is an Avenger in the comic book that I think Trish's character is replacing. That is Jessica's confidant, as well.

[01:06:34] - [Speaker 0]
So Yes.

[01:06:35] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. There's definitely a there's definitely another another character that very similar to. But on that, John, I think we're on to our final point. John, what's your final point?

[01:06:42] - [Speaker 0]
I am doing the biggie. You know? Mhmm. The the shocking end.

[01:06:47] - [Speaker 1]
What a moment.

[01:06:48] - [Speaker 0]
Like, both disturbing, hugely cruel to hope, menacing. I mean, up till this point, there's been that build where as soon as Jessica realizes who's involved, that there's this underlying menace. And now, you know, at the moment where she feels she's combated it and saved hope, you know, and at the end, hope says to her, you saved my life. It's Yeah. A big hook.

[01:07:21] - [Speaker 0]
It's going away with the with the parents, and it is ripped from both hope and from Jessica, that sense of of accomplishment of triumph over Kilgrave

[01:07:32] - [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.

[01:07:33] - [Speaker 0]
With the mind control that is still dormant within Hope's mind, and she shoots her parents. And, you know, that that final moment where the the the lift, the elevator doors open, and she kinda looks at Jessica and says, smile. Then suddenly, the spell is gone. Yeah. She's got a gun in her hand.

[01:07:54] - [Speaker 0]
Her mom and dad are brutally killed by her own hand

[01:08:00] - [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.

[01:08:00] - [Speaker 0]
Although not by her own will. And she just sinks to the floor crying and so on. Like, it is really cruel, a cruel shocking ending, and something that really sets up just quite how far the menace and control that Kilgrave can have over people will go, like, brilliant ending. And I it's such a great twist. Like, I loved it.

[01:08:23] - [Speaker 0]
I absolutely loved it for just, like, pulling you off balance. You know? Yeah. The happy ending doesn't happen. Mhmm.

[01:08:31] - [Speaker 0]
I loved it. Really good.

[01:08:32] - [Speaker 1]
It's it's interesting, isn't it? A scene like that can change the tone of an entire episode that you've watched. I was looking at this when we're at New York Comic Con. I was thinking, this is quite a good intro show for these characters. Loving the characters, loving the interplay between them.

[01:08:44] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay. There's there's a background character of Kilgrave. We'll see him in a future episode. We'll see what he does.

[01:08:49] - [Speaker 1]
This is grand. This is a nice intro. She saves the day. Off they go into the into the lift. She's gonna maybe move offices or something to get away from Kilgrave because he knows where she's where she stays, and then that happens.

[01:09:01] - [Speaker 1]
And it changed the whole episode for me. I realized this is not gonna be a show of happy endings. This is gonna be a show of a really tough character fighting back against something insurmountable for her in the past. So I think it really did change the episode for me and loved it. And I will say the hush that came over the crowd in New York Comic Con at that scene and the gasps in an audience of 5,000 people seeing this for the first time was phenomenal to experience.

[01:09:28] - [Speaker 1]
And I think the hush lasted right the way through to the end of the episode. Credits rolled. There was a nice pause for a second or two, and then the applause and cheering started. So I can see why the reaction was that strong to this episode. Chris, what did you

[01:09:40] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. No. I I I very much agree with you. I had a slight fear. Not fear.

[01:09:46] - [Speaker 2]
Fear is too strong of a word. And when it was closing, the elevator's closing, everything was happy. Mhmm.

[01:09:52] - [Speaker 1]
I was

[01:09:52] - [Speaker 2]
like, oh, we're gonna have, like, 13? Well, 12 episodes of a case an episode with some allusion to Kilgrave and the past and she gonna do all these different investigations? And is it she gonna happily close it? I, I thought we may be getting that. And I was like, that's not gonna be fantastic.

[01:10:12] - [Speaker 2]
I'll I'll go with it. As soon as the that that smile creeped onto the girl's face and to Hope's face, was like, nope. Nope. It's going nope. Oh, goddamn it.

[01:10:23] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. They ride in the fields. Yeah. And it was like but then they they they the writers, the cinematography twisted it so amazingly. And that was like, her line when it was like, smile, Jessica.

[01:10:37] - [Speaker 2]
And then when Jessica goes out and the camera pans from front of her to behind her, and you can see her doing the inner monologue kind of like, no, I'm gonna say, and she does struts or strolls or bursts back in. Strides. Yeah.

[01:10:53] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:10:53] - [Speaker 2]
Strides back in. I think you're right. It was that ending was powerful enough to twist the whole episode on its head

[01:11:00] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:11:00] - [Speaker 2]
In that. You're right. I now think this is not this is going to be the brutal this is where my whole this is the brutal version of Daredevil. Mhmm. This is a psychological version.

[01:11:11] - [Speaker 2]
Daredevil uses his fist. This is or his fist violence solve most of the problems. Yeah. This is going to be the one that makes you kinda sit down and go, okay. We're we're gonna need, like, twenty minutes, guys, before I can talk about this because I need I need to digest what just happened to this episode.

[01:11:27] - [Speaker 1]
And we did, listeners. Yeah. So I think that's all the points we have on the on this episode of Jessica Jones. We're really looking forward to the next episode. Anybody have any little notes to talk about?

[01:11:36] - [Speaker 1]
Just some short points?

[01:11:37] - [Speaker 2]
I'm putting a a note out to our listeners. Basically, if you've heard me before when we did Daredevil, I love to pull out all the Easter eggs. Obviously, we had alias investigations as one in this one. Mhmm. But there are there's a few more that I'm pretty sure I missed.

[01:11:51] - [Speaker 2]
I'm gonna do a small as my topic in in episode two where I'll pull out some of the episode one and episode two Easter eggs. Uh-huh. But if you guys if you find Easter eggs that I've missed, call them out. Literally just pull pull them out there, and then we'll throw them in, and we'll read that in our feedback.

[01:12:08] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. And just send those into feedback at Defenders TV Podcast dot com.

[01:12:12] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I've got OneNote. It probably give me a slight reputation. You know, I've already talked about the sex scene, but I loved it when she sat on the toilet, doing the investigation and trying to find out where her her target is gonna be so that she can serve the papers. It's just like Funny little touches.

[01:12:31] - [Speaker 0]
Really, really funny. We've all had that moment where we've been sat on the toilet and the mobile phone has gone off and it's like, do I answer it? Do I not answer it?

[01:12:42] - [Speaker 2]
And

[01:12:42] - [Speaker 1]
We all

[01:12:43] - [Speaker 0]
have that. You know, she sat there. She's putting on the sort of the the voice to to to get that information from the the other person at the other end of the phone. And I just kinda love that working of the case, you know, committed to it twenty four seven. Even when she's gone to the loo, she's still working the case.

[01:13:01] - [Speaker 0]
Fantastic little just fun thing. Yeah.

[01:13:05] - [Speaker 1]
Some of our listeners have wondered why we don't have a dial in number for these, for these shows. Yeah. No reason. No.

[01:13:11] - [Speaker 2]
No. And now it puts a whole new light into my previous conversations with you, John. I'm like There's I'm like gonna be thinking, like, where is he now? Where is he answering it?

[01:13:21] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Never phone in. And of course, there was no loo roll.

[01:13:26] - [Speaker 2]
And that is a problem I've

[01:13:27] - [Speaker 0]
had before. Yeah. That can be problematic.

[01:13:30] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Well, if you have a b day in Europe.

[01:13:34] - [Speaker 1]
She's gone paperless as well because she's on the computer in there.

[01:13:37] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:13:40] - [Speaker 1]
I just got a couple of little notes to talk about. One of the ones which I did mention earlier on a little bit, but it's Malcolm. This character just made me laugh. It's essentially her it looks like a guy who lives in her building. Our introduction to the character, who we know is a central character to the show, he's one of the he's he's called out in the opening titles as well, an actor by the name of Eka Darvill's playing him.

[01:14:01] - [Speaker 1]
But he's a heroin addict, basically. You can see that from from some of the some of the the makeup that he's got that that's been done for the character. His lips. Yeah. You can see the lips are white.

[01:14:12] - [Speaker 1]
You can see the track marks on his arms. But I love the intro to this character is, what are you doing in my apartment? It's not your apartment. This is my apartment. Oh, okay.

[01:14:20] - [Speaker 0]
And That's why the peanut butter is Not yeah.

[01:14:23] - [Speaker 1]
That's why the peanut butter is smooth. Yeah. And then later on, the, you can have my TV. No. You're okay.

[01:14:27] - [Speaker 1]
You can keep it. Oh, well, I stole it anyway. I kinda thought so. And this character is providing a little bit of comic relief so far in the couple of scenes that he was in here, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him again like that. And my final point, which is one that we didn't actually mention, is the music for the episode.

[01:14:43] - [Speaker 1]
My god. It is shows the intensity so well. The guy who's done doing the music for the for the show is brilliant. The really intense, the discordant kind of violins that are playing as Jessica's trying to track down Kilgrave. You can tell that she's being dragged along.

[01:14:58] - [Speaker 1]
Her heart the heartbeat is pounding through the music. It's fantastic. And the intensity of it really, really had an effect on me watching this this episode particularly. I'm definitely in those scenes of the investigation where Jessica is trying to track down Kilgrave, where she's in the in the taxi trying to get out of the city, and the the intensity is rising and rising as she's thinking back on what's going on. Fantastic.

[01:15:20] - [Speaker 1]
Fantastic music. Really looking forward to more of that.

[01:15:22] - [Speaker 0]
Definitely. Well, I think that is our discussion of episode one of Jessica Jones. So it's just for me to then ask, Derek, do you defend episode one of Jessica Jones, aka Ladies Night?

[01:15:35] - [Speaker 1]
Absolutely. Well, we saw this episode a month and a half ago and couldn't talk about it to anybody. We're delighted to have been able to share our thoughts. And my instant reaction after walking out of that auditorium was, I can't wait to watch the next episode. I can't wait to watch the series, and I can't wait for tons of people to have watched it.

[01:15:51] - [Speaker 1]
It's brilliant. I love it. I absolutely love it. So I defend.

[01:15:55] - [Speaker 0]
So, Chris, do you defend Jessica Jones episode one?

[01:15:58] - [Speaker 2]
100%. A 100%. This was the opening I was looking for in this series.

[01:16:04] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[01:16:05] - [Speaker 2]
It shocked. It made me giggle. It made me cringe. It made me shudder Mhmm. With the lick.

[01:16:12] - [Speaker 2]
It has all the elements, and it hasn't at at at this point, it's pointing in all the right directions. Mhmm. Based on Daredevil's trajectory, we'll see two or three episodes go up, and then we'll have a couple of kind of filler episodes maybe, but I don't think so. I think they've learned their lessons. I think this is the beginning.

[01:16:33] - [Speaker 2]
I think this is just going to crescendo into this massive 13 episode and finale. And I think if this is what they opened with, I can't wait for episode two, can't wait for episode three. I just I want to binge, but you guys never allow me.

[01:16:51] - [Speaker 1]
And, John, do you defend this episode of Jessica Jones?

[01:16:54] - [Speaker 0]
I do defend this episode of Jessica Jones. I'm gonna give the episode 4.5 bottles of whiskey out of five. Wow. So a light night for for us there with half a bottle remaining. Mhmm.

[01:17:08] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Love this. I love the fact that there are ladies in the show front and center and powerful, troubled, delicate. And this is, in my view, the the the true element of strong ladies, but also who have weaknesses and are able to express

[01:17:28] - [Speaker 1]
them. Mhmm.

[01:17:29] - [Speaker 0]
This is really well done. And maybe you could argue, you can see that there is a a woman's touch at the hand of the showrunner, definitely. I love the menace of Kilgrave. I absolutely adored the bar scene between Luke and, Jessica and how that moved into something that is ultimately exploring such a common adult theme of sexuality and sex and relationships. Absolutely fantastic.

[01:18:01] - [Speaker 0]
But it's all wrapped up with some great witty humor, some real adult sarcasm as well. And this is from just episode one. It seems to be a great show, and I can't wait to see how they build on that or maintain this through the the rest of the episodes Yes. And that we'll be bringing to you. So, yeah, I absolutely defend Jessica Jones episode one.

[01:18:27] - [Speaker 1]
I think it's time to pull out the competition winner for our competition. We asked our listeners in one of our earlier episodes, think episode 30, to to leave us a review on iTunes. Everybody that did leave a a review on iTunes has gone into the hat now. Thanks so much for all the reviews. We got reviews from quite a lot of people.

[01:18:42] - [Speaker 1]
We got reviews from Rebecca, from David, from Thomas, from Alex, from GMB Alpha, from Danny, from Sylvie, and from Claire. Thank you so much. They're all across iTunes across Canada, America, The UK. Fantastic. Really, thank you so much for sending those in.

[01:18:58] - [Speaker 1]
John, do you wanna pull a name out for the for the master prize? So this is the prize, which is the Jessica Jones comic, the Jessica Jones poster, Daredevil season two poster, AJ Carter season two poster, and a couple of the little things in there, I think, as well.

[01:19:13] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. So here from our competition Bolty Bowl. There you go, Derek.

[01:19:22] - [Speaker 1]
Our first winner is Sylvie.

[01:19:25] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you so much. Congratulations.

[01:19:28] - [Speaker 1]
Congratulations, Sylvie. We'll be in contact with you. We just we'll need to get your address. Obviously, send those over to you. Thank you so much for your review.

[01:19:35] - [Speaker 1]
It's really good.

[01:19:35] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Thank you.

[01:19:36] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I think John actually mentioned we have a couple other of the Jessica Jones comic books, the which are only available at New York Comic Con that we wanna give away. Chris, do you wanna pull the next one?

[01:19:49] - [Speaker 2]
And the winner is?

[01:19:52] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, our next winner is David Hirks. Thank you, David. That comic will be in we'll be in contact with you again to get

[01:19:58] - [Speaker 0]
your address, and we'll be sending that comic out to you. Cool. And then we have our final one. Derek, do you wanna shuffle the bolty bowl?

[01:20:06] - [Speaker 2]
Bolty bowl.

[01:20:11] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you. And the winner we have here is Alex, spelled a h h l e k s. So we'll be in touch again to to find out where we can send on the comic.

[01:20:23] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Thank you so much for all your entries. We'll probably have another competition later on in the in our coverage of Jessica Jones. Thank you so much for leaving a review for us on iTunes. It does help other people find the podcast.

[01:20:33] - [Speaker 1]
Really good of you and really good of you to listen to the podcast as well. If anybody else wants to follow us on iTunes and leave us a review, again, always helps the podcast. Just go to defenderstvpodcast.com/itunes, which is the direct link, or, obviously, search for Jessica Jones podcast on iTunes. You'll find it there. You can also follow us on any other good podcast catcher, like Beyond Pods, Player FM, Podcast Addict, and Stitcher.

[01:20:56] - [Speaker 1]
You can find us under Defenders TV Podcast. Thanks so much for listening to this episode. We wanna hear your feedback. Send that to feedback at Defenders TV Podcast dot com. I have a little bit of feedback from last week's episode.

[01:21:07] - [Speaker 1]
I don't think people have caught up on the first episode of Jessica Jones just yet, so we haven't got any feedback in it. But feedback from last episode from Ronaldo in Australia. He says, Punisher Warzone, Ghost Rider two, and Fantastic Four two are my guilty pleasures. So that was in relation to to John's guilty pleasure of a of a movie for for GI Joe retaliation, wasn't

[01:21:28] - [Speaker 0]
it? It was. Chris, movie.

[01:21:30] - [Speaker 1]
Do you have any Marvel related guilty pleasures, Chris?

[01:21:33] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna be very honest to everyone. Old Benifer in Daredevil.

[01:21:40] - [Speaker 1]
There you go.

[01:21:41] - [Speaker 2]
I'm sorry. The extended cut what was it? The the the the full director's edition, the two and a bit hours. It's cheesy. It's it's just not, but it's so good.

[01:21:53] - [Speaker 2]
And then even the dancing model the dancing scene in Spider Man three with Tobey Maguire. Wow. Wow. They're the bad ones. They're cringeworthy, but you just go, yeah.

[01:22:05] - [Speaker 2]
I like it when he's swaggering down the street. But then sorry. Back to Bodaro, the guiltiest part, which I still think is the fight scene in the part

[01:22:14] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, wow.

[01:22:15] - [Speaker 2]
Where it's so cheesy. It's so naff. It's the two of them. Like, she's fighting she's beating up a blind guy in the middle of a kid's playground. No one's batting eyelid, but I'm like, yeah.

[01:22:26] - [Speaker 2]
I'm rolling with this. This is cool. Nice. They're they're balancing on to seesaws. Obviously, that's gonna end well.

[01:22:33] - [Speaker 2]
Uh-huh. But no. And that's my guilty pleasure.

[01:22:35] - [Speaker 1]
And we reviewed that on episode two of the podcast as well, didn't we? So you'll hear our thoughts as to whether it's a guilty pleasure or not over there.

[01:22:40] - [Speaker 0]
It was definitely the the sandbags on on the rope. Okay. That was a fairly guilty misdemeanor for any director to put that into a film. But Ronaldo also is a man of great taste because he does continue to say that he also has a guilty pleasure, which is Doctor Strange for Defenders two, he goes on to say. And he goes hashtag, I'm with John.

[01:23:05] - [Speaker 0]
Great taste, Ronaldo. Absolutely great taste. Mana quality is Ronaldo.

[01:23:10] - [Speaker 1]
Definitely. And continuing the trend of having 31 episodes of our podcast, Doctor Strange mentioned on everyone. And our crossover episode that we did, the Defenders podcast, John also mentioned Doctor Strange. So haven't gone through an episode without mentioning doctor Strange.

[01:23:23] - [Speaker 2]
I've got Nick Fury in everyone pretty much too.

[01:23:26] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. That is my that is my guilty pleasure, actually, the David Hasselhoff Nick Fury. The first time I went the first time I went to America, I sought out a place that had a bootleg copy of that movie just to see it because I'd never seen it. There wasn't the Internet at the time to download a bootleg copy of it. I bought that, and I have watched it many times.

[01:23:43] - [Speaker 0]
There was what? No Internet?

[01:23:46] - [Speaker 2]
The dial up.

[01:23:47] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Would've taken about six weeks to download it, but it was worth it.

[01:23:52] - [Speaker 2]
No. It was. Derek got his

[01:23:55] - [Speaker 0]
Derek got his Morse code copy direct from the telegraph.

[01:24:00] - [Speaker 2]
David runs. Stop. Picks up gun, stop. Aims, stop.

[01:24:06] - [Speaker 1]
And on that bombshell, I think we'll close out this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

[01:24:10] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you so much for listening. Can't wait to be back in a very short moment of time for episode two.

[01:24:17] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. We're hoping you're you're enjoying your binge watch.

[01:24:20] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And don't forget to Netflix and chill with this lovely podcast as well.

[01:24:24] - [Speaker 0]
Absolutely. Thanks for listening. Bye.

[01:24:50] - [Speaker 1]
Great stuff, guys. This has been a Flickering Myth podcast network production. For more information, head over to flickeringmyth.com for more shows like it. Find this show in iTunes by searching for the podcast name and head over to youtube.com/flickeringmyth to subscribe to the Flickering Myth movie show. We'll see you on the next podcast.

[01:25:08] - [Speaker 1]
Take care. Bye bye.