We conclude our discussion about the second arc of Season 2 as we discuss The Sandman 206 "Family Blood". A very emotional closer to the arc as Morpheus must grant his son a boon for helping him out.
The Sandman 206 "Family Blood" Spoilers
Episode teleplay by Jim Campolongo
Episode directed by Jamie Childs
Synopsis: In a flashback to 1794, Dream approaches Lady Johanna Constantine with a task to retrieve Orpheus' living head from France and bring it back to a temple in Greece where it would be safeguarded by priests. Hunted down by Maximilien Robespierre and his men, Constantine succeeds with the help of Orpheus himself, whose song incites the end to Robespierre's tyranny. After returning Orpheus' head to his temple, Constantine asks Dream for a chance to visit Orpheus. In the present, Dream and Delirium pass her grave near Orpheus' temple. There, Dream reunites with Orpheus and he discloses the location of Destruction. Dream and Delirium approach Destruction who welcomes them gleefully.
The three discuss Destruction's departure from his duties and his wards which caused the deaths of Wanda, Ishtar and others. He alludes that mortals are capable of great destruction on their own, without the need of him being complicit. Despite Delirium's plea, Destruction bids them farewell, imparts some advice to Dream and gives Barnabas to Delirium to keep her company. With that, he disappears into the sky. Dream and Orpheus reconcile and upon Orpheus' request, Dream kills him, later mourning him in tears. Elsewhere, the Kindly Ones condemn Dream for spilling family blood.
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00:00 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Sandman Podcast on TV, Podcast Industries, we're back with the Sandman Season 2, Episode 6, Family Blood.
00:08 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_05]: With 300 years ago, he would have told me that they were simply mortal, and would have died later than have died then.
00:30 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You know that, and how to justify that, leaving us, killing our friends, abandoning your realm.
01:01 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Bonjour, I'm Bianvino, fellow Dreamers.
01:03 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This is TV podcast, did the series.
01:05 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We're back discussing the Sandman season 2 episode 6 family Bullard.
01:10 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of your host Derek.
01:12 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello there fellow Dreamers.
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: All Dreamies.
01:16 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I am one of your other host John.
01:19 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't love Dreamers.
01:20 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
01:21 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to drink your family blood.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't drink, or for anybody's family blood.
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:28 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: A very emotional episode, a final part of this time.
01:31 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Three episode arc.
01:33 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, typified by brilliant performances on beautiful music in this episode.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
01:39 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really kind of powerful the whole death of orphans, I think.
01:45 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:46 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, big spoiler, isn't it?
01:47 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think most people will have watched it by now.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Quite a while, yeah, yes.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And they would have read the book back at the 80s.
01:55 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So there, there should be well spoiled by the stage.
01:57 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:58 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, not really spoiling anything.
02:01 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But for sure, yeah, this was a really, really good episode for me.
02:09 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: full of punch and emotion and so I really liked it and I say yeah the music's just really kind of phenomenal it's just that that San Man tune but just really rich and lush and
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And those, I think, so yeah, really good, gorgeous, gorgeous stuff.
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03:28 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
03:29 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And
03:30 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Shall we get into all spoiler-filled discussion, love?
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that, yes.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just channeling Joanna Constantine.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
03:40 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Lady Joanna Constantine is just regular Joanna Constantine.
03:43 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess lady, but she could be a little bit of a naughty lady.
03:48 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She could be.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She is definitely is.
03:51 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But Derek, who gave us what were when and why for this episode of Sandman, Chapter 6, Family Blood.
04:01 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the exact producer of the show are Alan Heimberg, Jamie Childs, and David Eskorer.
04:05 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The teleplay for this episode was written by Jim Kumpelungo, and he wrote the Joanna Konstantin episode of Last Season Episode 3, Dream at Little Dream of me.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
04:13 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Has, of course, dealt with the character in the past as well, and all episodes of the season are directed by Jamie Childs.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: John, do you want to tell us what the game has written?
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an opposite for a season 2 episode 6 family blood.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
04:25 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: In a flashback to 1794, Dreamer Proaches Lady Joanna Constantine, with a taster of a tree of orfias's living head from Revolutionary France, and bring it back to a temple in Greece, where it would be safeguarded by priests.
04:38 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: On to down by Maximilian Rochae and his men, Constantine succeeds with the help of Orfias himself, who song incites the end of Rochae's tyranny.
04:49 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: After returning Ophius's head to his temple, Constantine asks stream for a chance to visit Ophius.
04:55 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: In the present, Dream and Delirium pass her grave near Ophius's temple.
05:01 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Their dream reunites with Ophius, and he discloses the location of destruction.
05:07 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Dream and Delirium approach destruction, who welcomes them gleefully.
05:11 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The three discussed destruction departure from his duties and his wards.
05:16 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: and is the cause of the deaths of Wanda, Ishtar and the others.
05:21 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Here, lose that mortals are capable of great destruction on their own, without the need for him being complicit.
05:27 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite Lerium's plea, destruction bids them farewell, impuls some advice to Dream and gives Barnabas to Lerium to keep her company, with that he disappears into the sky.
05:39 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Dream and Orfius reconcil, and upon Orfius' request, Dream kills him, later mourning him in tears.
05:47 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Elsewhere, the kindly ones condemn Dream for spilling family blood.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And so is the title of the episode, family blood?
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
05:57 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And what did they get us from John Hoverall?
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just as the... No, I used to care about her.
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
06:02 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was really emotional, I felt a real connection to this.
06:06 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, it's got sort of the... Infanticide effectively, the killing of your own child.
06:13 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:14 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: and it has though the reunion with a long lost brother in destruction, it has John a Constantine in it which is always good.
06:23 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the kind of historical reference to revolutionary France and Rosebe and I in particular with the song of Orphus that ignites and sort of the counterrevolution in effect.
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's just so much going on in this episode.
06:39 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: to me it ties really nicely together and I like the whole sort of consequence of it really as well and which has implications or through, you know, I guess a large part of the remainder of this season.
06:54 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, really, really good episode for me.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, absolutely.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And we did it again.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I think both of us already said her name wrong.
07:02 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice to see Joanna Constantine back in the show.
07:06 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think four seasons of Constantine being the US version of the character on DCTV have worked just completely that we can't call Joanna by her correct name even though they're very clear in the show that it's Constantine.
07:21 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's fine, it's fine.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We do get to talk about her again.
07:24 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great to have this wonderful character back at once again played by Jenna Coleman.
07:29 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll start there with with her in robust peers France.
07:33 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We have Lady Joanna Constantine very close to the last time more fierce mesh.
07:40 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: her or met her for the first time through hubgadling.
07:42 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a couple of months afterwards he comes back to ask a favor from Lady Joanna Constantine.
07:49 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And because it's in Robert's period for ants, if anybody knows anything about Revolutionary France, being a lady or a person of the upper echelon of society is not a good thing to be friends at that particular time.
08:00 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping to see a flash of the skull at Pimpenel.
08:03 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the flying across the background.
08:04 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of thought that would be very much a new game and thing to do.
08:10 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you may be somewhere in the comic book.
08:13 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a great revolutionary cross.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this was really good.
08:16 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the fact that he's going back to Witch Cross, it is sort of asked for help from Joanna Constantine.
08:23 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I like that she's goes,
08:27 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, is it dangerous?
08:29 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, it is dangerous.
08:31 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because as you say, she is a lady, um, in terms of being, um, from the upper classes of British society, at least going into uh, revolutionary France where they have just a lot the head, uh, off, uh, the upper classes and ruling class, indeed.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is really good.
08:54 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, um,
08:56 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I just like how it gets, you know, it's ultimately in post sort of just post-revolutionary France and it's just got a nice canter to it this whole section because I like the fact it rose beer and
09:14 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This is all kind of, this revolutionary element, it's all around, you know, just post the Enlightenment.
09:20 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It is all these sort of scientific advances, the sort of the beginnings of, you know, some big theories that developing it proven in scientific methods.
09:35 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And this whole notion for Rosbiere that he must
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: secure the revolution.
09:41 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the the lopping off of the heads of the king, the queen, the royalty, the dukes, and so on, but it's also about putting an end to myth legend.
09:57 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, I'm creating a world of reason and anything that threatens France and this, I will destroy it and for him, the singing head of a Greek myth,
10:07 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: is absolutely a clear and present danger for Republican rational robespier and that it is overseeing this and you know there's a bloody part of the revolution and he this is
10:23 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He is the one that an ax, the guillotine is securing the revolution.
10:28 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's securing the power base that has happened in Paris.
10:34 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is really just so well done.
10:39 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I like the fact that Joanna Constantine now resbe had to sort of
10:45 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: ultimately reason it out because there's words you hide a severed head in amongst all the other severed heads that has happened as a result of his kind of program.
10:59 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really good idea you know, tight hiding it in plain sight almost but
11:03 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It also shows the brutality of the year exactly as you say, John, you know, an entire room full of severed heads and where you can hide another severed head and there's so many in there that it can be lost, you know?
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I also kind of love that
11:17 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Joanna gets the mission from Morpheus to go and get the head of Morpheus.
11:22 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't really explain who Morpheus is, but she says it's very dangerous and we see her after the mission.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So the mission itself isn't the complicated part.
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just actually surviving in revolutionary France at this time, it's the dangerous part.
11:35 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting herself out of revolutionary France, and because it is on alert.
11:43 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: not just because it's in a revolutionary state and so there are enemies everywhere kind of thing that's the power and oil of roast beer is that the Xenemies everywhere you can't trust anyone but also he has had the the head secured and she has now taken it.
12:02 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: knows he needs to get this back.
12:05 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as he says, this is myths and gods of dead.
12:08 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There is only the state and people.
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just really good.
12:14 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that kind of pure absolutism from Robe Spear that ultimately then, you know,
12:22 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: as he finds the severed head as he forces Joanna Constantine to take him to the room of severed heads and she picks it out and you get another beautiful song from Orpheus song again in Greek which is just really really nicely done as this song of freedom you know which is just awakened something different in the
12:48 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: post-revolutionary France, which ultimately means that the people rise off against the reign of terror that Rosbiere has created by the as they describe it, the weighted blade, the guillotine, and he ultimately succumbs to his own invention, the very next day.
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
13:10 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
13:11 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how that that's
13:12 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's narrated almost in the background that this song from Orfius, not only has his song persuaded the likes of Hades and Persephone, but also then has persuaded the free people of the Republic of France to
13:33 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: also do away with another form of tyranny that is fronted by rope spears and policies effect.
13:40 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, and this I would say is where you get the real Neil Gaimanisms this story where
13:47 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: people look back in history and go, but that guy led the revolution that ended the tyranny of the of the ruling classes of the kings and queens of France and all of their subjects.
13:59 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: How could he possibly end off with his head and a guillotine as well?
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And game will go, oh, here's a mythical story that I can
14:07 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: craft around that to put Robas Pier in Robas Pier in that position.
14:10 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: When the facts are pretty more pretty similar, they turned on him after he went too far.
14:16 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a classic painting.
14:19 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So actually, I haven't entirely sure if he was guilty, but I think there's a classic painting of him stabbed in a bath and it's got a big wound on his chest and he's kind of
14:35 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess just happened, but I wonder whether he was maybe, you know, a bit sort of Caesar Esk, sort of cornered whilst in his bath, and assassinate it's effectively good, I think
14:53 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a famous painting of it, but whether that's also the truth, I don't know.
14:57 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Or the San Man just elevated this to a more rhythmical concept of him dying by the guillotine effect, I guess.
15:04 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll end the song of Liberty by Orfius.
15:08 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
15:09 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's a really nice kind of twist really.
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy that.
15:14 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, as you say, classic game and I've always enjoyed game and with those twists.
15:21 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:21 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was great to see that here as well.
15:24 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
15:24 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, the one thing that really stood out to me at the beginning here are these scenes as Joanna being used as the intermediary between father and son.
15:31 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Morpheus sends her an omission to collect the head of a son and bring him back to the position that he was left in before being surrounded and protected by the priests of this organization.
15:41 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Or this cultel most thus was set up by Morpheus to take care of a son, but she's not allowed to tell Morpheus that it is.
15:49 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: the father that's sent him, you know, and then Morpheus doesn't want to ask how his son is but Joanna is able to give him some information about, you know, he may want to die.
16:00 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he keeps telling everybody, but he is the most alive man I've ever met before.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a really good picture pattern between the two of them.
16:09 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some great jokes that are that
16:11 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: just roll off the tongue of Orfias, and he's a very interesting character to Joanna as well.
16:18 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like that, where she's saying to him, I'll get out okay because they'll be looking for a woman with a head, and he goes, no, no, one with two heads, because obviously she has a head already.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, love that little, that little pattern.
16:31 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But that means that, you know, they did Joanna considering false, false for him, false in love with him.
16:36 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: and asks that she be able to have time with him in the future that his death that once he has been returned to his island, that she will be allowed to go back to him.
16:46 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is the boon to the two requests from Morphys.
16:50 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We see and there in the synopsis we see that when they do arrive on the island later, that the body of Joanna Constantin is buried on the island, close to the head of Orphys, so she does get a wish in some sense.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And the future even though he says she'll
17:05 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:06 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, absolutely.
17:06 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, like, father-like son, that's what Morpheus seems to tell everybody.
17:10 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll never see me ever, ever again, and then see them a week later.
17:14 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
17:15 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
17:16 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:16 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:16 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, ultimately, she is successful and gets obvious.
17:21 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Out of France and to a protected island of Greece, and you have the arrival then of
17:30 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: dream and delirium and more fiercest temple where, you know, you kind of get the start of this real kind of touching and emotive reunion between father and son but ultimately it's tragic because of what is to come and and what
17:50 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: this touching reunion actually ends off being about.
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also the missed opportunities.
17:57 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there is also Orfius saying he should have listened to his father soon.
18:03 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have his warning on the beach where it seems quite brutal Orfius is taking that as well.
18:09 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You did warn me.
18:10 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't listen, however brutal it was because I think we were quite sort of down on Morfius for that whole thing, but equally, you know, I think that's what's the tension here in, you know, it's this first visit in ages.
18:25 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's touching, it's really nice and yet, you know, he does tell Morfius as the oracle word destruction is, I like that, the fact that it's basically
18:36 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: because you can see it rather than anything sort of majorly sort of superstitious or magical because it's on the island next door.
18:45 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But but also is in need of
18:51 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: his own boon, his reward, and what ultimately he's been asking for, whether it's directly of his father or sort of indirectly, as you say, through the conversation he's had with Joanna Constantine.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is really kind of a bit of sweet, really, and melancholy, and melancholy,
19:18 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and yet then immediately followed by the fact that, you know, dream and delirium find destruction here.
19:25 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:26 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and again, dream takes a long, long time to kind of ramp up to being sociable.
19:34 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, whereas delirium is straight in the, and of course, helped along by a cute old Barnabas.
19:41 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a Barnabas of course, I hope in them a long, and absolutely, but I suppose this is the whole thing when you, when you take the whole story together, everything that that morphias is going through here and what he's gone through since the beginning of this arc of the Sandman right back to episode one of season one, the
20:00 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Ark that he's going as becoming more human, getting closer to what mortals feel.
20:06 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Those moments with orfias when orfias are saying, well, you were right, you gave me a warning.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't listen.
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in this position for my own fault.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The past version of Morfias would have gone, well, I did tell you so.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
20:20 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: On my side, you know, he would have accepted this directly.
20:25 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: This version of Morfius is now feeling the pain of what will come in the future while he knows must happen because he is chosen to go to Orfius for this piece of information that he must have to get to destruction.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But she knows what must happen in the future.
20:40 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So therefore he is feeling the pain of what is to come when he's going to talk to his brother.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's on his mind.
20:47 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to know
20:48 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: what he needs to do and he needs to know why he's feeling the way he's feeling and that's the conversation that he has with destruction as well so why why himself and destruction are so similar is because destruction went through something like this before we saw the flashback to destruction making the decision that earth was barreling towards
21:08 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: the atom bomb and the civilizations that he had started to love were about to fall into destruction again and he didn't want to be the one responsible and here's more fierce getting to a point where he's getting so close to humanity that he no longer wants to be responsible for the pain that they feel and the pain that he calls as well.
21:24 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah well and it's also the lens by which they view
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: humanity.
21:29 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he says to dream you have grown, you have changed, you know, 300 years ago, you would have told me that those that had died were merely mortal and you wouldn't have been so concerned by their death effectively.
21:45 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:46 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, you know, there's a lot of commentary here.
21:49 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's really good whether it's just really funny stuff as he kind of asks Barnabas to walk with Delirium when, you know, he's absolutely committed to moving on and leaving and you have Barnabas saying, well, she shouldn't be left out without a leash.
22:10 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But also then, you know, he re-emphasizes, you know, he's leaving out of love for humankind in this world, and the only reason for doing anything is out of love.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, again is...
22:25 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's just this little nagging element that is then brought to the front by destruction of the decisions that he has to make in respect to Orfius.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
22:37 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just really good and I like how that all kind of plays together.
22:41 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful moment and it's one of those again.
22:46 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent, it delivered moments in the show that just really bring the key elements to life.
22:50 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I would mention before that we'd love to have seen the show run for many seasons and many years.
22:55 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And these arcs of the show, it looks like now, and again, at the end of a second arc, I'd even more convinced the way that Netflix was building these walls to drop three episodes every few months.
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Have an arc out there, and you'd have one...
23:08 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: closed off story one closed story in these moments here where we have this particular arc of Morphius and Delirium looking to find their brother destruction.
23:18 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's starting out with the death of characters across across the world that could have been leading them to destruction and then ending with them fine instruction him saying well I've called too much destruction I need to leave Earth.
23:31 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a love, do everything out of love, is a really strong arc for how Morpheus will develop further himself, you know, if you're going to take the elements of the story.
23:41 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And that pertain to what happens to Morpheus and how he changes throughout it, this is the right arc and the right way to deliver this arc as well.
23:48 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: and we see destruction, leaving Earth, taking his sword with him, as he would, and going off into the stars into a new nebula.
23:57 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: As he goes, and I just love that the final word after he leaves his left delirium, he says, well, I guess now we don't have to wonder why he left.
24:05 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Or if he's coming back, you got advice and I got a doggy.
24:09 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of it, that's all she did, you know?
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: She's satisfied now, they've had the conversation.
24:14 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether there was more to the conversation, whether there was a satisfactory answer, that doesn't really matter.
24:17 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had the conversation, they know an answer, and that's it.
24:21 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all off happy enough, and who wouldn't be happy to be going off with Barra Bessan.
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's it, exactly.
24:28 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But then ultimately it does take the dark turn for, I guess, Morpheus and orpheus.
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the reward.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the boon for orpheus.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he says, I did not think my death would be at my father's hands.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, dream.
24:45 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: returns to obvious and ultimately kills him but before he does he says you know your life is your own to his son.
24:53 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Your death likewise in that you wanted and have wanted to die for quite some time now given the
25:05 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: deal he made with death, and it can only be at the hands of his father, so this is what ultimately the reward is, this is what Orfius is looking for to be with his wife.
25:23 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: in the afterlife effectively.
25:27 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's quite bloody really, it's quite a tough one to watch, actually, but then it is really made quite emotional by the music.
25:36 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Tom Storish is excellent here and you know, in terms of just that shot.
25:42 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Shell shocks kind of look as he kind of stumbles after he puts the head back on the plinth and stumbles out of the temple and you do see the angel wings coming as well down and it's just kind of silhouetted against the side wall or inside the temple death rings yeah or death swings yeah absolutely and I think what adds to it and what
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: showing that weight that he's dealing with.
26:15 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I again feel a hundred years ago a thousand, here's to go three thousand years ago, whatever, if Morphe's had a similar situation, he may have sent it on delaying to go and kill somebody.
26:25 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Here, or he just would have left Orphus alive and come back to it later, almost.
26:30 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's grand, I know it has to be done at some point, but he does fulfill the boon exactly as he promised.
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He told him, you tell me where my brother is.
26:39 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I will give you whatever it is that your desire, his son desires death, he will be the one to grant him death.
26:44 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the tale here that has as much as more pieces grown, his son or his calls.
26:50 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I too, you know, you said you would never see me again, you said never to call you father, and I would then you would never call me son.
26:57 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Morphias calls him son before taking his life, you know, it is very brutal in those moments, but it's the ways of what's happening to Morphias at the hands of Morphias and the following sequence afterwards when we see dream back.
27:12 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: after saying goodbye to Barnabas and Clurium back in his own realm, Colin Toulouseyan to ask the order to bring to Barry his son and then leave and go back to their worlds as he washes the blood from his hands and he weeps for the death of his son.
27:26 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly an amazing capper on that story.
27:29 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's retirement, there's priests.
27:33 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yep, I guess.
27:34 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It must be a weird thing to disband that entire order and their order was supposed to be protected ahead, which disappeared once in the 1700s, and then while they were there, was murdered by an endless entity on the sister.
27:48 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, exactly.
27:49 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the sister I don't think to do with the murder of course.
27:51 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, then the consequence, there are all of these, is that elsewhere we have, the fates, the fury, is the kindly ones,
28:03 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: quoting that a king will force sake his kingdom and I like the fact that it's kind of being done through a fortune cookie which is really good and the fact that I get the same fortune that they called it before and went I got a second it's not a good fortune to have multiple times and then they just drop.
28:22 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: all pretence, everything, every idea that these just nice ladies living in their little cottage together, knitting away and go, look, it has to happen.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this.
28:33 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We must finish our task.
28:34 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We know the king of tree dreams has spilled family blood and therefore he must die.
28:40 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that they just drop that.
28:42 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's a really interesting way of dealing with these characters
28:47 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: their their whole lives just seem really weird really unusual because they're just sitting around normal having tea having coffee and then suddenly click of the fingers and they are the kindly ones they are the furies they are the ones that will complete this task that has been set in front of them because of dream killing is some yes exactly exactly
29:11 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So a big episode, big episode.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Derek, what do you think?
29:13 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And a big end to the arc, yeah?
29:15 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, yeah.
29:16 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a brilliantly executed episode really, really loved this.
29:20 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in tears by the end of the episode with what had happened to Orfius.
29:27 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: how far as the character of Morphys has come to this point to think that they're just delivering a great story overall, as I said before, if it had to be two seasons, take the best you possibly can from all the issues with the comic and all the side stories and put it all together like they're doing with this show.
29:45 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a really excellent arc.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: John, how about yourself?
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of this episode of The Sandman on this arc?
29:52 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I absolutely, really enjoyed this wavy episode.
29:58 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give it five furious, fateful knittings out of five.
30:03 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just as I said at the top of this, I just liked the whole historical element, the little Neil Gaiman twist around.
30:14 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: historical, you know, well-known story and through revolutionary France and I thought, you got this real sort of wavy end moments of dream finally confronting
30:30 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: his brother destruction about why he left, why he left his realm, his duties and so on, but also the changes that have occurred on them both since he left, but in particular, the ones that destruction notices of of dream.
30:47 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's all then, you know,
30:50 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: comes to a pinnacle with just that really tragic father-son reunion, but ultimately what that means with the death of Orfius at the hands of his father.
31:02 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then some of that immediate little
31:11 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: the realising that family blood has been spilt and a kingdom is being forsaken by its king.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So just really, really good.
31:20 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's just a lot of different things here.
31:24 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems to just connect to linking with the whole consequence of this that it is going to come from the kindly ones.
31:32 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the likes of
31:35 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the only reason for doing anything is out of love, so, you know, more fuses reason here, even though it brings about the fury of the fates, is out of love and, you know, that
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: your life is your own, as is your death.
31:53 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, does that equally apply to morph as he has the choosing of his death, not the fates?
31:59 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, I mean, I don't know, when I just say it all felt nicely cylindrical in a sense.
32:05 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:06 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And reflective are of all this stuff.
32:09 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, absolutely, I really enjoyed this five furious, fake full knittings out of five.
32:16 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: attention, being sat down, doing a little crochet, missing your, missing your winter scarf and then suddenly having to sort of put that down in order to deal with your, your main job.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You really job, yes, exactly.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's being a fury or a fate.
32:33 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I am very excited to get into what really is the last arc of the Sandman as we go on to episode 7 because I'm really excited to see at some of the stuff that will be
32:44 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Revealed to you, John, about this earthest tale of more of you, this is awesome, because stuff I'm really looking forward to it.
32:50 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic, but before we get there, we will go to some feedback from our wonderful, wonderful fellow dreamers.
32:56 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: At first up at Emelian from Coffee and Vodka, he says greetings fellow head hunting defenders.
33:00 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This may be the shortest of anything that's to be said, a fantastical episode beginning the ending of An Endless.
33:05 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It was nice to see Joanna again, nicer to see the bonding of Delirium Barnabas, and just about everything else wasn't quite so nice, though properly and beautifully depicted, tragedy is as tragedy does, five dooming booms, endless regrets and split ends out of five peace and take care and coffee and pasta care.
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: enough coffee in vodka.
33:27 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely 100% agree with that assessment.
33:31 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Really pitch perfect episode.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
33:36 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks coffee in vodka.
33:37 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Over on Facebook, Dr. Bob Phillips says, well, I have a new favorite fictional character.
33:43 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I would quite like to be in carnage with the style, attitude and body of destruction, but perhaps a
33:51 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't understand as to all what his realm is or was, but honestly, I don't care, just watching and looking to have him and Diana Constantine in an episode really is just providing a buffet of perfection, isn't it?
34:06 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Love this tale, and it's leavening into the growing development of Dream and the family endless.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the moment approaching where their surname finally fails?
34:15 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, yeah, the lexterical tale.
34:19 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, I, with you here all day, Dr. Bob, I think it's just a great tale here, and it's seeing that development of dream.
34:29 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And being sort of pointed out by not only his son, but his from his brother, it was really, really good.
34:38 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: How about the question here from Dr. Bob about what instructions realm is or was, you have an indication of what you think that is from the show,
34:47 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess his moniker is a sword, so I guess it's one of war one of the many multiple ways, whether it is physical, emotional, mental that you can destroy, degrade, and whatever.
35:07 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think the classic idea of it would be one of, you know,
35:15 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: annihilation, self-neutral destructions in the nuclear sense, which everybody refers to and intramates at here, but it's also probably that destructive element on a personal level, and that's why he probably understands people very well, because that side of it as well.
35:36 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, and I suppose taking bits from the other realms that we've seen of the end,
35:43 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Dream characters to go into people's dreams, creating nightmares to go into people's nightmares.
35:48 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what dreams realm is like with talerium, and with her realm people fall into her realm when they become delirious, for whatever reason, whether that's drugs or alcohol or whether that's...
35:59 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the breaking apart of their lives, you know, and they'll fall into her realm and see parts of us.
36:05 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Desire's realm is full of a lot of, sometimes very destructive things as well, but we've also seen Destiny's realm as a maze, which he's able to navigate by reading through his book, because he knows the Destiny and where he's going towards, and we've seen people fall into the sphere as well.
36:29 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: the concoctions of war and destruction happen.
36:32 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: All of those things that people get into their mind about how to destroy each other.
36:38 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: All of those things are there and I think what's been happening with destruction and why he said in the past and his words, we don't need to see as realm because
36:46 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: that realm he doesn't he isn't actually in charge of he isn't sitting over it coming up with ideas the humans are doing all that themselves all of the creatures all of the beings throughout all of creation are coming up with their own ideas in their own ways to destroy each other he doesn't even need to be there to preside over his realm at all that's why he's able to walk away.
37:06 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: and as he says in this episode it's out of love as everything should be he's walking away because he loves the creation too much to be able to be the one that's being even considered to be responsible for all of the destruction so it's a it's a really interesting idea that we don't get to see the realm but by taking pieces of all the other endless realms we can kind of have an idea of what it may have been like when he was there to like.
37:27 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, and I think it's a, you know, it would have been nice to see it in order to be able to visualize it, but yeah, I mean, equally, I think it's one that he's saying.
37:40 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: it's visualised in what happens to people.
37:46 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: In the same way that Destiny's really doesn't smack of destiny, it's just different pathways and choices.
37:53 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess equally, destruction could be the same way.
37:56 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the paths all lead to destruction, however they are conceived.
38:03 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
38:03 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Dr. Bob.
38:06 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, a Donald Dennis has this to say, chicken and telephone flavored ice cream.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yum.
38:12 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, dreams duck face is still off-posting.
38:15 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it is a great suit.
38:18 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
38:18 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
38:19 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, delirium did have to come up with some very different flavors of ice cream.
38:22 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so, chicken and telephone flavored.
38:24 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: My gosh.
38:24 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Indeed.
38:26 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Donald.
38:27 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Donald.
38:27 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Paul Tenshi Lee says, Jenna Coleman returns this episode.
38:31 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a little share related, but this just makes me wonder just how the constant timeline manages to keep going.
38:36 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Presumably, ladies Joanna had at least one kid and passed the family business on.
38:41 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless it went through a neaster nephew, which would imply the entire clan constant time, knows that someone in each generation becomes that one.
38:49 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the saddest episode of the show so far I don't recall feeling this sad when reading the comics either when the original came out or in any subsequent rereads.
38:58 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Oof!
38:59 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I imagine the sound and shadow of wings coming from Orpheus's chamber?
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: One stream comes back out.
39:04 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to think that it's death coming to take him.
39:06 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: though that was all muddled in Episode 5 when he went to her realm and got this weird promise from her that I don't recall in the comics.
39:13 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I know how dream story goes to the comics and because like hapt in Lysa having a dream baby the rest of the season will get even darker have to fortify myself before I watch the next three episodes.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll watch some Wednesday season two first.
39:27 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: When this is too, you have a little bit of darkness out of two.
39:32 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your thoughts, though, Paul.
39:34 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is really interesting, as I wonder how the constant time will continue.
39:41 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, she does lead a life in the show here, we're showing that she's buried on the island, we're our fierce wars, but we have the conversation between her and our fierce wars.
39:49 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: She said she wanted to see him again, and he said, no, I don't want to see you.
39:53 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't see you again.
39:54 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if she would bury there after she lived out her long life, and had children?
39:58 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say so, I would say so, yeah.
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
40:05 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very difficult though, I know you mentioned here that it's the saddest episode of the series, and I do think how they've transferred, transferred this to the screen with the performance timester, the music, the sound, the lighting, everything going on, it is a really emotional scene.
40:21 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know whether that would come across in the same way in the comics.
40:25 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's just a really well-done scene.
40:28 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we had some feeling how to put an emotional soundtrack.
40:31 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, what are you reading?
40:33 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm playing play that this tune, maybe that will do it, but I think we even had some feedback before from I think it was a coffee in Vodka, he said when he was reading it every single time that Orpheus appeared in the page, he just wanted to skip over it, but, again, in being brought to life here in the show and brought to death in this episode, along with all of the music of the character, and his playfulness with Joanna Constantine, and I think all of those humanized the character and made us really
41:00 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: sad on screen as to what we saw.
41:02 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
41:04 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's head on over to the rest of the season with your poll.
41:08 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you've sent a new feedback for the last couple of episodes, so you've watched them by now, but thanks so much for your feedback for this episode.
41:14 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much, Paul.
41:16 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, Lara Willie Swink says, I've always enjoyed Joanna Constantine's role in this story, and how the comics are cleverly tied the seemingly unrelated stories of Orfius and Euridisi with the reign of Tara and the French Revolution.
41:32 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how beautifully shot this episode was with Sumbers and Reyes of a slowly setting son illuminating the Greek island homes of both Orfius and the prodigal endless.
41:43 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps for boating the end of something.
41:46 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we did get to see destructions departure from our world, but so glad he bequeath Bonbus to his little sister to keep her company.
41:55 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I really love the portrayal of Delirium.
41:58 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure I would at first but she really has become the delirium of the comics.
42:03 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Dreams mourned for goodbye to his son affected me more in this episode than I remember affecting me when I read the comics.
42:10 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: In the last five minutes of him returning to the dreaming and speaking with Lucian was heartbreaking.
42:19 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think as well it's it's also just the fact that it's loose the end because she's so empathetic you see it on her face and she realizes that this endless what he's just done it kind of goes
42:33 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: beyond or takes him out of being the endless.
42:36 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She realizes, I guess, maybe in some way what destruction had noticed as well, his change, and so, and she's always empathetic around it.
42:47 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just thought it was really, really a great kind of moment between these two, even though, as you say, it was heartbreaking.
42:55 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're really, they're really captured.
42:58 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: This strong scene here, brilliant, honest stuff.
43:01 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much, Lara, and thanks everybody for your feedback for this episode of the same Yes, thanks fellow dreamers and Lara for the final feedback.
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were really good.
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, and thank you
43:15 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, fellow Dreamers, for joining us, to listen to the podcast as we delved into episode 6 of Season 2 Family Blood.
43:25 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And please, stay subscribed because we will be up next with Sandman episode 7, time and night.
43:34 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely, yes, just looking forward to continuing and starting the next time of the Sandman.
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, thanks so much for joining us, we'll talk to you again next time.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
43:43 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you fellow dreamers for joining us, and until next time, of course, keep watching, keep listening, and keep yourselves dreaming.
43:51 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye!
43:52 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye!