The Penguin Episode 3 Review

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[00:01:06] Welcome back fellow Gothamites! This is the Gotham Podcast on TV Podcast Industries and we're talking all things The Penguin Episode 3, Bliss.

[00:01:18] I am one of your hosts, John.

[00:01:20] I am your other host, Derek.

[00:01:21] Welcome back to another episode of The Penguin.

[00:01:23] Yeah, absolutely. I really, really, really, really like this episode. I liked how in a sense a little bit of the focus not entirely on Oz here.

[00:01:39] I thought it was an interesting choice to do to focus on I guess maybe you know his up-and-coming right-hand man in Victor and just seeing a bit more of Victor's background.

[00:01:49] It was a really good choice and I really enjoyed it. And also, bit of a metaphor really you know you take the eye off Oz and he'll screw you.

[00:02:00] Absolutely.

[00:02:01] In a sense what happens or I guess seemingly happens by the end of this episode for Sophia.

[00:02:08] And so I kind of just really enjoyed this. I almost felt a little wholesome and dare I say it.

[00:02:17] Certainly at least with Oz Cobb and Victor. I think their dynamic is excellent.

[00:02:22] Really good. It seems like Oz really cares for Victor doesn't it?

[00:02:26] There's actually an official Penguin podcast from HBO where Matt Reeves was interviewed and Lauren LaFranca the show and we were interviewed about why this particular story stood out as the one they wanted to tell.

[00:02:36] Because there were loads of options for spin-offs on TV for the Batman movie that Matt Reeves made.

[00:02:42] I think there was supposed to be an Arkham one, there was supposed to be a new GCPD one and then the Penguin one kind of came up.

[00:02:48] And Lauren LaFranca's idea that she came with which was having Victor this point of view character who should by all rights be dead by the end of episode one.

[00:02:58] And then the other one, him being kept alive by Oz and being taught how to kind of rise up in the underworld of Gotham was the selling point for why she got the job as the showrunner for the show.

[00:03:06] So it is all about this really odd point of view having this kid rising up with this very dangerous criminal at his side.

[00:03:14] Who's rising up at the same time against the old God.

[00:03:17] Yeah, it's kind of like it's the new breed.

[00:03:22] It's like Gremlins the new breed.

[00:03:24] They are coming in to sort of wash away the old Falcon and Moroney Hedgeman in Gotham.

[00:03:36] So yeah, no absolutely.

[00:03:37] This episode really epitomizes that.

[00:03:39] It really does.

[00:03:40] And I love that kind of notion of the mentoring.

[00:03:43] I think some really good sort of one on one conversations here between Oz and Victor.

[00:03:50] I'm really, really enjoying Renzi Fielder's portrayal.

[00:03:54] Like from episode one I just thought this character was really good.

[00:03:59] Love the point of view and it's continuing.

[00:04:03] Yeah.

[00:04:04] I would say that actually this character to all intents and purposes not only could have died in episode one,

[00:04:11] it could have been killed by Oz in episode two and again in episode three.

[00:04:17] So literally, Victor is a scrapper in the same way that Oz is.

[00:04:22] And I guess there's that spirit animal sense that Oswald has here.

[00:04:30] Absolutely.

[00:04:31] There's a moment in this.

[00:04:32] I know we're going to go into the episode and talk about it in full detail,

[00:04:34] but there's a moment in the episode where Oz puts a gun to Victor's head and goes,

[00:04:39] is this what it feels like?

[00:04:40] Is this what your entire life feels like at the moment?

[00:04:41] Just a gun at your head and you're going, well in episode one,

[00:04:44] you put a gun to his head and basically we're telling him to get into the back of a car.

[00:04:47] In episode two, you put him in a grave and told him that he should be lying there with his body.

[00:04:51] And here you are in episode three actually putting a gun to his head.

[00:04:54] So it probably does feel like that.

[00:04:55] Absolutely.

[00:04:56] But also just to the spirit animal sense as well,

[00:05:00] in Oz's little sort of bougie bachelor pad where he's effectively been told to stay put in the end,

[00:05:09] whereas Oz was priming him to be the driver for both him and Sophia around this new drug for that evening.

[00:05:17] And he just says, you know, you have to stay put.

[00:05:19] If you do anything stupid, I'll sense it.

[00:05:23] Like there is this sense of he knows because what he would do himself.

[00:05:29] And I can really like that different yet similar vibe from both OzCobb and Victor.

[00:05:39] It's really, really good.

[00:05:40] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:05:42] But we are obviously going to get into our spoiler filled discussion about the episode.

[00:05:45] I hope you've watched it because it is another excellent episode of The Penguin.

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[00:06:44] Yeah, speaking of which I think we should get into our feedback for episode two from our fellow Gothamites.

[00:06:51] We got an email from Meryl Smith who sent in her feedback to feedback at GothamTVpodcast.com

[00:06:59] so an old email there for Meryl Smith's feedback.

[00:07:05] Great, yes you can also send in your feedback, various observations or comments through that email as well.

[00:07:12] Absolutely, it's great to hear from somebody over there.

[00:07:14] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:07:15] Meryl says it's so great to be back in the Gotham verse in a way.

[00:07:19] A story about the penguins rise to become the king of Gotham is a story we've seen before

[00:07:24] but there are always different ways to tell that story.

[00:07:27] Colin Farrell completely seals the show with his performance

[00:07:30] and disappears so seamlessly beneath the makeup

[00:07:34] that I gotta constantly remind myself that it's him underneath it.

[00:07:38] And let's not forget the wonderful and captivating Kristen Melotti as Sophia Falcone.

[00:07:44] What is it about this character that keeps me wanting to watch her on screen?

[00:07:50] First Gotham, then the long Halloween animated film and now this.

[00:07:54] I look to see how the story further grows and what twists it may yield going forward.

[00:08:00] Excellent stuff Meryl, absolutely.

[00:08:03] I mean as I say this is a real age old story for the penguin

[00:08:08] and the rise of penguin to become the king of Gotham, the gangster of Gotham.

[00:08:15] The main man of the criminal underworld of Gotham.

[00:08:21] One that I guess feels comfortable with the other types of criminals

[00:08:26] that start to come apparent in Gotham such as the Joker or the Ridler.

[00:08:33] He sits alongside those supervillains very well

[00:08:36] but he definitely got his inspiration from the mob bosses that were there before him.

[00:08:40] But it's so interesting again, you know we had season after season of the penguin on Gotham

[00:08:45] telling this story but it is being told in a very different way here.

[00:08:49] We know as fans of the DC verse I guess and the Batverse we know that

[00:08:53] the Morones and the Falcones will be completely eviscerated

[00:08:57] and removed from Gotham in the future

[00:08:59] and someone like the penguin is going to be the one taking over.

[00:09:01] So you know there's something deeper and something more scary about the penguin.

[00:09:06] He's going to twist the city to his will but you're totally right Colin Farrell.

[00:09:10] It is so good in this part that I regularly forget it's him.

[00:09:13] I know he's doing that really cool Robert De Niro type New York accent

[00:09:16] and certainly he's taking inspiration from movies like Goodfellas for his performance

[00:09:21] but we've seen him so many movies with an Irish accent and with his Dublin accent.

[00:09:24] It's very rare to see him with this American and New York accent specifically

[00:09:28] and he does it so well underneath that amazing makeup as well.

[00:09:32] And all the interviews he's had he really talks about the makeup process

[00:09:36] and there's much more going on in his acting than just the makeup as well.

[00:09:39] He's so good here.

[00:09:41] Yeah and Chris as you say Chrissy Milotti and Sophia really really good

[00:09:44] and I think in particular you know I think we get to see a bit more of her background this episode

[00:09:51] which is really good and her relationship with the male dominated Falcones cartel family.

[00:09:58] So it's really good and I think moving forward some of the other episodes

[00:10:02] should be really good with her at the centre of it.

[00:10:07] Yeah absolutely thanks so much for that Mero great to hear from you again

[00:10:10] and I hope you're enjoying the rest of the season of Penguin please keep sending in your feedback to us.

[00:10:14] We also have an email in from Victor about episode two saying greetings Gothamites

[00:10:18] I am really enjoying this series so far.

[00:10:20] If one did not know the character or story one would not suspect this is a comic book film

[00:10:23] but a rather scary gangster story.

[00:10:26] Sophia is terrifying as ever will she have a total meltdown and morph into the comic She-Killer?

[00:10:31] I like the film series film formula and use here everyone loves good detective stories

[00:10:37] and between bats and those rogues galleries there are plenty in the offering.

[00:10:40] Think on your feet Victor Zazz von Doom.

[00:10:44] Thanks so much Victor I'm really glad you're enjoying it and certainly yes I think Sophia

[00:10:50] and well Christy Milotti just has this ability in portraying Sophia

[00:10:55] it's almost like she's on the verge of a crack you know a meltdown

[00:11:00] you know jumping from the cliff that explosion of her reputation that comes before her rather than

[00:11:07] maybe the person who she is and it's just really really good.

[00:11:11] Yeah agreed I think we mentioned before that one of the things as Bat fans

[00:11:15] you hear the words Arkham and you know this is going to be a character that will have a big journey

[00:11:20] you know in the past when you have characters that go to Arkham it changes those characters significantly

[00:11:25] before they're going to Arkham they might be petty criminals who may have pledged that they have

[00:11:30] mental illnesses thinking that they'll get an easy ride but in Gotham if you get sent to Arkham

[00:11:35] it's going to twist you into a very violent person and it feels like Sophia is on the edge all the time

[00:11:41] and that she's gonna have some kind of violent outburst you saw her with her therapist Theorosy in episode 2

[00:11:47] and it felt like she was about to get very violent with her but because he's a therapist

[00:11:52] he's able to kind of calm her down and get her out of there but I have a feeling somebody else is going to

[00:11:57] get knifed or killed by Sophia at any point in the future

[00:12:01] that sort of feels like we're the characters she's playing it so well.

[00:12:04] Yeah absolutely thanks so much Victor. Absolutely thanks Victor Zaz I like your new name

[00:12:09] maybe in the future it'll be Victor Guillera as we learn who he becomes in the Gotham universe

[00:12:13] maybe he'll stand out as a big character of the future.

[00:12:16] It could be Zaz. It could be Zaz.

[00:12:19] Thanks so much Victor. Also an email in on episode 2 from Kofi and Vodka who says

[00:12:24] Greetings fellow plan hatching defenders not much to say a very dramatic day in the life of the

[00:12:30] death defying artful dodger that constantly keeps you on edge.

[00:12:34] What struck me was as different in appearance as this iteration is how similar in character

[00:12:39] and tactics he is to Gotham's Robin Lord Taylor's.

[00:12:44] Any idea how much inspiration the Frank and Reeves might have taken from Hella

[00:12:48] anyway continue to be blown away by every aspect of the show.

[00:12:53] Five power grabbing pinky swirs, cryptic assaying nations

[00:12:57] and planted pocket poignards out of five.

[00:13:01] Peace and take care Kofi and Vodka.

[00:13:04] Now thanks so much Kofi and Vodka. It's interesting actually because over the last kind of couple of weeks

[00:13:09] we've been watching season one of Gotham and very different from the show

[00:13:15] but at its core is absolutely this.

[00:13:19] Despite the difference in appearance the more episodic nature of that show

[00:13:23] given it was 22 episodes for season one you know the core through line was exactly

[00:13:29] the same here just executed in a very different way and I do think that

[00:13:37] to what extent inspiration for the Frank and Reeves might have taken from Bruno Hella

[00:13:42] and Danny Cannon I think certainly they are going to be aware of that show

[00:13:47] but I think the actual core of the story is quite deeply rooted in the comics

[00:13:54] this notion of the penguin rising through the criminal underworld.

[00:14:00] That would be my thought thinking on it anyway is that

[00:14:03] I don't know to what extent they would have taken too much inspiration from Bruno Hella and Danny Cannon

[00:14:11] because I think in a sense both sets of creatives are coming at it from the DC perspective.

[00:14:18] Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they have a similar kind of connection to people in DC who help them out with

[00:14:24] cracking some of the stories or getting them a bit closer to the comics

[00:14:27] and you know you're telling the story of Oz Cobb, you know this character of the penguin

[00:14:32] who is the person that's the wheeler dealer trying to you know make his way in the underworld

[00:14:37] so it's not going to be vastly different.

[00:14:39] The only genuine mention I've heard about it is in interviews Colin Farrell being asked

[00:14:44] about who's his favourite penguin and he mentions things like Diane DeVito

[00:14:47] and Burgess Meredith of course and all he says about Gotham is I can't wait to see Robin Lord Taylor's performance

[00:14:53] because everybody tells me that's the best penguin performance

[00:14:55] and I can't wait to watch it now that I'm finished with my version of the penguin

[00:15:00] so I wonder if he was just told don't watch it because your story could be quite similar to that

[00:15:06] so you need to create your own version of the penguin so I'd wonder if he's watched it now

[00:15:11] because he says in all of his interviews people tell him how good Robin Lord Taylor played this character

[00:15:15] and has approached to it so I don't know whether they took inspiration but it is obviously a very similar journey

[00:15:21] so there are going to be elements that are very similar even if they didn't take directly from it

[00:15:26] and that's the feeling when we were watching the episodes we're going oh yeah he does that thing

[00:15:30] where you know he turns on people around him and he uses everybody around him to get his own way

[00:15:34] and to get himself to this highest point and as the king of Gotham just like Colin Farrell's character

[00:15:39] but it is coincidental but it's based on the same character so of course there are going to be similarities there.

[00:15:45] I mean I think I've said this before the only downer element of it is the same

[00:15:51] entry point for characters and that's why it would be really really good to see the penguin with the season 2

[00:16:01] as I say whether Colin Farrell would want to deal with the prosthetics and the makeup for season 2

[00:16:07] I don't know but you know I think that's one of the main issues now that I probably have after covering Gotham

[00:16:18] and DC for 10 years is that a lot of similar through lines happen and I think actually why with the Matt Reeves film

[00:16:28] I was really pleased it was Riddler at the heart of it.

[00:16:32] First off it's a character I really really enjoy but it's a character you know I think has been underutilized

[00:16:40] is the classic serial killer type film trope of leaving clues for the detectives investigating him

[00:16:51] and it's a really good one it's also a good entry point for the Batman world for non-comic fans.

[00:16:58] Absolutely and interestingly their version of the Riddler was vastly different to Cory Michael Smith's version in Gotham

[00:17:03] there was no real connection between those two and all his completely different character

[00:17:07] but just to mention I think Victor mentioned about the film series film idea Batman 2 will be coming out in the future

[00:17:14] it's being written and made by Matt Reeves and he says that this series will leave you off in a place where

[00:17:20] when we see what happens with the penguin it'll be the starting point of Batman 2

[00:17:26] so I would say this season will get rid of all of the Falcones and the Morones

[00:17:31] and Penguin will be standing in the underworld whether he's a central character in the second movie or not

[00:17:37] it will be taking off at that point where there'll be no longer that mafia boss type over there as well

[00:17:41] Brilliant stuff thanks Captain Valkyrie for your feedback thanks everyone for your feedback actually

[00:17:44] Yes absolutely keep the feedback thoughts observations theories coming in you know how do you like the penguin series so far

[00:17:56] but I think with that we can move on to our spoiler filled discussion of episode 3

[00:18:02] Bliss Derrick who gave us what were when and how

[00:18:07] Well the show is based on characters created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane for Detective Comics

[00:18:11] spinning out of Matt Reeves the Batman under showrunner Lauren LeFranc

[00:18:14] this episode was written by Noelle Valdevia she's written loads and loads of drama including

[00:18:18] Nobody Wants This and Kevin Keneff himself but also wrote an episode of Ash vs Evil Dead

[00:18:24] Season 3 I absolutely loved that show so glad someone involved in that is moving on to other shows

[00:18:30] Go check that out it's a great fun. It's so good horror comedy and this episode once again is directed by Craig Zubel

[00:18:36] He directed episode one and two John do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for the penguin episode 3 bliss?

[00:18:43] Sure

[00:18:44] Before the Riddler's explosions Victor was hanging out with his friends and girlfriend Gracelia on a rooftop in Crown Point

[00:18:51] Dreaming about their future unbeknownst to them everything was about to change as the election night fireworks turned to

[00:18:58] Explosions flooding crown point killing their families and destroying their homes now Victor and Gracelia

[00:19:05] Discuss getting out of Gotham and starting a new life together, but only if Oz carb will let Victor leave

[00:19:13] Meanwhile Sophia Falcone's business opportunity comes through and she takes all to the production warehouse for the new drug bliss

[00:19:20] A sap from a mushroom prescribed to Sophia when she was locked up in Arkham

[00:19:25] Oz sets up a meeting with the triads to help distribute the sample batch of the new drug

[00:19:30] But they have to blackmail the cheating underboss of the Falcone family Johnny Viti to support their new business

[00:19:37] Viti tries to undermine Oz telling Sophia that he's the one that sold her out and landed her in Arkham

[00:19:43] But Oz pressures him further and they get their way

[00:19:47] With a nightclub trial arranged to showcase bliss to the triad leader Feng Zhao

[00:19:52] Sophia has to reveal her traumatic past to him to seal the deal

[00:19:56] She begins to get concerned that Oz believes he is an equal partner in her business

[00:20:01] And as he apologised for his part in Sophia's tenure incarceration in Arkham

[00:20:06] Nadia Moroni and her men arrive angry at Oz's betrayal of the Moroni cartel

[00:20:13] And they hold the two at gunpoint

[00:20:15] Victor meanwhile has made his decision to return to Oz's side

[00:20:20] And arrives just in time to save his boss as they speed away Oz tells Victor to leave Sophia behind

[00:20:27] They are really in it now

[00:20:29] They are really in it there

[00:20:32] They really are in it

[00:20:33] There's just moments throughout the episode where you see Oz playing people all around them

[00:20:40] As you get to the end as this end point happens where he's like, just leave Sophia behind

[00:20:45] Let's go move fast, move fast, we're in it now

[00:20:47] You're kind of going what has just happened? Why is he just dumped Sophia behind with effectively the leader of the Moroni family

[00:20:56] Outside prison somewhere around you in prison

[00:20:59] But he's left her behind effectively at gunpoint after saying don't you worry I'll be right by your side forever

[00:21:04] We're partners in this and then he's like leave her behind off we go

[00:21:07] Absolutely but it's I mean first of all there is yeah absolutely that contrast with what he's just been saying with how it ends up being left

[00:21:19] Sophia in a very dangerous situation

[00:21:22] Surrounded by members of the rival cartel in the Moronis

[00:21:28] But this show does a really great thing with some of the sound mixing or editing and mound

[00:21:34] And it's to that point of Victor in the car

[00:21:39] It's almost as though the camera perspective and the sound perspective is looking at Victor in his own thoughts

[00:21:46] But there's enough of the background noise whether it's the explosions or the gunshots or indeed Oswald talking and just the whole thing of

[00:21:59] He's like you know

[00:22:01] He says leave Sophia, but then he's like I knew you would come through all this is all kind of done in a kind of slightly muffled tone

[00:22:09] Yes, I knew you'd come through. You know you were fantastic. I knew you would

[00:22:13] Yeah, and you really stepped up there, you know we're really in it now hence the last sentence of us and opposite

[00:22:21] But it's all kind of done in a muffled way and you because you're there with Victor and it's a really good technique I found

[00:22:31] And it's been done a few times in this show and I really like it as a technique

[00:22:36] Absolutely does feel like something that matches in so well with Matt Reeves the Batman movie like it feels like that style as well

[00:22:42] Yeah, but as we started at the end let's go into our case file for this episode with our top five case notes

[00:22:47] Case note number one fireworks on election night. We get a little bit of a flashback here

[00:22:55] Before the waters break on Gotham and the Riddle attack and it's all from Victor's point of view with his family

[00:23:04] With his friends and with his girlfriend and seemingly that you know there's normal kid from downtown and ground point

[00:23:12] Wanting to spend time with his friends him and his sister wanting his dad to maybe you know ask for a bit more

[00:23:19] Cash from some of the bespoke pieces that he's delivering to mechanics around Gotham than he was doing

[00:23:26] And it's a it's a real nice point, you know the little hint of tensions between Victor and his father

[00:23:33] Yeah, both because Victor's asking him to charge a bit more for some of these like niche items that they're being able to source

[00:23:41] And which I love the the response elicited but to that from his his dad, which is if you knew where if you remembered

[00:23:51] Where we came from we have plenty. Yes, you know, it's kind of and we are comfortable

[00:23:56] This isn't hard up. This is comfortable living well and living well

[00:24:02] Even though they live in a poor part of Gotham in you know a two three bears apartment

[00:24:08] Yeah, you know and so I kind of really like this and

[00:24:13] You know that's that source of tension here the source of tension of some of the friends that Victor is keeping

[00:24:20] Which is primarily what one of the guys that we see in episode one the guy who is actually captured by

[00:24:27] Sophia Falcone and Hill yeah Calvin yeah Calvin but not because of Calvin but because of Calvin's

[00:24:34] cousin squared who and

[00:24:37] Has a reputation for I guess being sort of a minor petty criminal running with a gang

[00:24:43] Yeah, he's got a guy's tentacles in lots of pies. Yeah, so it's all these kind of just sort of really succinctly brought together

[00:24:53] Showing this hope with Victor and his girlfriend as the there to watch fireworks

[00:24:57] Yeah, but also shows us a little bit about Victor's want to have a better life

[00:25:02] Yeah, his family hat and that's something that comes up a little bit later on as well in the episode

[00:25:07] But there is that this a base Victor about not accepting the life as it is

[00:25:11] In his conversation with his father even though when he has the conversation with his girlfriend Gracelia where she's saying

[00:25:16] She hates this part of Gotham. She wants to get out of there if you were looking at this part of Gotham from the other side of the city

[00:25:22] Which Victor's commenting how beautiful Gotham is at this time and then this place

[00:25:26] And she's saying if they if you were looking back on where we live

[00:25:30] You would recognize how horrible the area is she wants to get out of there as soon as possible

[00:25:34] And so he still wants to stay in the area but wants to have a better life is the way that he's it kind of comes across

[00:25:41] And that kind of speaks to what we heard from

[00:25:44] Oz Cobb in the first episode when he was talking to Falcone saying you know that he effectively talk about his dream to become

[00:25:50] A boss that was respected in the local community

[00:25:53] Yeah, and that was a kind of a small time dream

[00:25:55] And for Falcone so and I think it's to the point

[00:25:58] I mean it's to the point of the two of them in a sense being slight spirit animals about what they want and

[00:26:05] And it's also a good setup for those touch points through this episode

[00:26:09] But also it's it's it's the realization that you get as to what Victor has lost because with

[00:26:17] You know instead of the fireworks you get the explosions

[00:26:21] And and because they do live in the poor part of town

[00:26:25] They're close to these huge concrete levees that have been undermined by this explosion and you effectively

[00:26:31] See the river pouring in like a tsunami

[00:26:34] It's great for his family's apartment, you know and this this again comes back up a bit of PTSD from

[00:26:43] And when he's in the club selling the drug because of the noise and the atmosphere there

[00:26:49] But also you know it's after him kind of speaking

[00:26:54] I just say fondly about the city where he lives he does he just wants to improve his position

[00:27:02] And but he doesn't want to move away in the same way that Gracelia does

[00:27:07] Yeah and and then he sees his family home effectively being completely taken out by this wall of water

[00:27:15] And I don't know whether that was whether that was mobile work that was done to show that or whether it's all CGI

[00:27:21] But it looks fantastic. It really looks like the high budget spin-off from from from the Batman that we've got here

[00:27:27] Yeah, it's really good

[00:27:28] But just some of the other tension that's added in there where he tries to call his mom on the phone as their home is being flooded

[00:27:34] It's a really scary scene that they have and I want to ask some other bat fans out there

[00:27:39] Because there's something that struck me. I'm a big fan of Michael Keaton's Batman

[00:27:45] And particularly the soundtrack by Prince as John will know I listen to it quite a lot

[00:27:50] There's a scream in the background as the fireworks go off as they think the fireworks are going off

[00:27:55] And then it turns into more and more explosion. There's a scream in the background

[00:27:58] And I'm absolutely convinced was used on the Batman soundtrack and then and was a sample from the Tim Burton Batman movie

[00:28:07] So if any of the bat fans notice that let me know it's just interesting. Yeah, it's a scream in the background

[00:28:12] I'm certain it's from the DC archives from from Tim Burton's Batman

[00:28:16] Don't know why I recognize it but I think it's because I've heard the Batman soundtrack so often

[00:28:20] So there you go. So might be Kim Bast, you scream

[00:28:23] From the Batman, but just just noticed this in that scene

[00:28:26] But I do think it's such a well presented moment and to open this here

[00:28:31] Giving us this episode is going to be victory backstory

[00:28:34] And as it kind of cuts to him sitting in Oz's apartment, you know having his memories and being lost in that moment of the night

[00:28:42] He lost everything I guess I thought it was so such a great start to the episode

[00:28:45] No, absolutely. I think on to our case note number two

[00:28:50] Oz and Sophia meet the the triads

[00:28:53] Yeah, yeah, that kind of opens this second case note with Sophia coming over to the apartment

[00:28:59] And just to show the delicate balancing act that Oz is doing just as she arrives

[00:29:04] He gets a phone call from Sal Maroney from prison

[00:29:06] So he has to deal with one set of the criminal underworld before going out to deal with his new partner in in

[00:29:13] In the in Safari Sophia Falcone

[00:29:15] I just think that's really good and then leaves Victor the nervous kid to try and deal with

[00:29:19] As he says himself the hangman who's arriving in the house in his head probably he's going

[00:29:25] Oh my god. I thought my life was difficult enough dealing with Oz

[00:29:28] I've got to deal with the person that yeah, that has killed nine women before nine people before

[00:29:33] Maybe she'll kill me if I say the wrong thing

[00:29:35] Yeah, like she's the hangman he says and but you have from Oz don't believe everything you read in the paper again

[00:29:42] The first maybe hint that it's a you know possibly the the nickname is undeserving

[00:29:49] But yeah, I love that. I think it's also great in this moment that

[00:29:55] Again you have Oz giving Victor his first paycheck of a grand and he's moving forward

[00:30:01] He's going to get the 1000 per week and the penguin saying you know it's what you're worth

[00:30:06] And he goes well, I'm worth two and you see Oz really enjoying that

[00:30:11] I love that

[00:30:11] Moment and

[00:30:13] People got to know what you're worth if you don't tell them I want to test

[00:30:16] Yeah, exactly. And then you have you know the penguins prepping Victor, you know tonight's the night we need to head in the game

[00:30:24] And as he will be driving penguin and Sophia so again this whole mentoring element coming through from Oz to Victor

[00:30:34] And I say then having him sort of nervously interact with Sophia as she's waiting for him

[00:30:43] And

[00:30:45] Equally then she exposes a bit of backstory about Oz you know where Oz was her driver

[00:30:52] And when she realizes that Victor is his driver and he is Victor the mechanic

[00:30:58] And so it's interesting here

[00:31:01] And I feel like as the episode goes on you kind of get from Sophia that in that moment she instantly judges Victor

[00:31:06] Yeah, she instantly looks at Victor as what's he like in relation to when Oz was my driver is he the same kind of person and that turned on me like Oz did

[00:31:16] You know it's it's like as if she realizes oh hang on a second

[00:31:20] He's in the position that Oz was in the past and maybe Oz wanted to present that to her as well

[00:31:25] You know I have my own driver now we're both equals

[00:31:27] Yeah

[00:31:28] Like I was your driver now I have my own driver and now we're both partners so maybe that's why Oz was trying to present that to her

[00:31:34] But she cuts it off instantly and says no this is me and you we're going out so Oz and Sophia are going to go out to find the bliss to get this this drug

[00:31:42] And he's gonna learn what the full deal is behind this new drug coming into Gotham

[00:31:48] Yeah, I will and it's twofold. It's not only

[00:31:52] Oz's first interaction with the new drug but it's also then

[00:31:56] Sophia needing him to find a distribution base for this trial of

[00:32:02] Of its use because and it can't be any of the existing distribution

[00:32:08] Because they will immediately go back to Luca or Johnny Vitti or Milosh and so there is this

[00:32:16] Other aspect of Sophia using

[00:32:20] Ozwald in order to use his connections and his connections

[00:32:26] Are primarily with the Gotham Triads, but I think first off they go to the warehouse and there's always been this talk about the shipment coming in

[00:32:35] But in fact it's growing media from Arkham that is the shipment in

[00:32:40] And what we have here is a mushroom growing plant or warehouse in the downtown

[00:32:48] And you have the chemist trade bloom which I like and you know you have the skeptical reaction from Ozwald at the start

[00:32:58] It's like well you can get mushrooms anywhere. This isn't very revolutionary

[00:33:02] But it's the bleeding tooth mushrooms and it's using its sap and

[00:33:08] This is the root because that's what was used at Arkham

[00:33:13] And that Sophia was given in order to effectively make the inmates of Arkham compliant

[00:33:22] Effectively it took the pain it took their moments away because it subdued them and took them away from

[00:33:32] Where they were which was in Arkham and made them all compliant

[00:33:36] Yeah, there's a great line as well between Oz and Sophia where he realizes the drug is from Arkham and turns around to Sophia

[00:33:42] And goes I thought this was all else plan and Sophia looks back at him going I know you did

[00:33:47] Again somebody else underestimating Sophia and underestimating her plans underestimating her knowledge and what she brings to the table

[00:33:55] So yeah, I like that because again it puts them on that footing that unstable footing that we see throughout the episode

[00:34:03] Where even those Oz's proclaiming that he's there for her he wants her to have a great life

[00:34:08] He's still underestimating her and he's still saying this was a plan that he heard from Al even though he didn't get any details on it at all

[00:34:16] And Sophia wasn't really involved. She was just the little sister who was in prison

[00:34:20] And this was going to be a reward for when she came out but it turns out this is all Sophia's plan really Al was just going to be bringing the

[00:34:27] Financing for it effectively and that financing is the jewels that were that were taken by Al's in the first episode

[00:34:33] So they came back here

[00:34:34] They're finally used to pay for the drugs and set up this this new business for bliss for for Sophia and Oz

[00:34:41] Yeah, absolutely. And then they also then meet with one of the underbosses of the Triads I think Psy

[00:34:50] And it's a really good moment. It is really telling and in that Ling Psy equally does not trust Oz Con

[00:35:00] Yeah, and you know he's really suspicious. I mean it's primarily through the fact that he gave him a lorry full of contraband cigarettes

[00:35:11] And hasn't seen any money

[00:35:13] Oz has literally turned up with maybe a box of top shelf spirits and thinking that somehow and you know maybe

[00:35:22] Recompense for that but he is like you know as always Oz is gift of the gab where you'll get your money

[00:35:28] You know if if you didn't I wouldn't I would have a bullet between my eyes here

[00:35:33] I like it. I ripped it off, but I know I didn't do too bad because I'd be dead otherwise

[00:35:37] Exactly

[00:35:38] But I think the other element of the distrust of Oz by Ling Psy here

[00:35:46] Because all of this is in front of Sophia

[00:35:49] He has a moment where he just says to Oz all in front of Sophia

[00:35:52] I always knew it was a matter of time that you made a move

[00:35:57] You know right in front of Sophia and I think Sophia is underriding suspicion throughout this episode

[00:36:04] And we see a few elements of this in particular at the club later on

[00:36:11] Is can she really trust Oz herself?

[00:36:15] Absolutely

[00:36:15] Here is someone saying I don't trust you

[00:36:18] Or one of two people that I don't trust you

[00:36:24] I don't trust you and I believe always you've had your eyes on making a play like making a coup

[00:36:30] And now you've got one of the falcones on side

[00:36:32] Yeah, I love that Oz World's response is it's not a coup

[00:36:35] What have you been reading books again Ling?

[00:36:38] This is more of a corporate restructuring

[00:36:42] Here I've got Sophia and again it's a bit Oz taking the lead

[00:36:47] Again the distrust different levels of it coming in

[00:36:51] First Ling is saying it to Oz World in front of Sophia

[00:36:54] But Sophia is feeling it as well because of Oz World

[00:36:59] Kind of putting it out there as his

[00:37:02] And it's just like gangster jazz here with talking to Oz

[00:37:07] Because he just thinks on his feet so much and you can see it on Sophia's face

[00:37:12] Wait a minute, we didn't agree this beforehand

[00:37:13] But what Ling wants is a phone call from a member of the family

[00:37:17] They're saying Johnny Vili's on their side

[00:37:19] Ling wants a phone call from a member of their family approving this

[00:37:22] So they don't get into trouble with the falcones

[00:37:24] And Sophia is saying well we've got Johnny Vili on our side

[00:37:28] And Oz is going yeah no problem I'll have a phone call with you

[00:37:31] Within the next couple of days to approve all of this

[00:37:33] Sophia goes along with it but you're kind of going does she really believe that

[00:37:38] Oz will be able to organize this and that she'll be able to organize this

[00:37:41] She's a really bad of everybody in the family

[00:37:43] Johnny Vili is the one that she has the real problem with

[00:37:45] He threatens her in this episode

[00:37:47] Really really good

[00:37:49] He tells her that if Luca tells you to get on a plane to Italy

[00:37:51] You go right now, you have two days

[00:37:54] And if you don't get on that plane I'll tell people that's where you went

[00:37:57] As if I will kill you and tell everybody you're in Italy

[00:38:00] Such a good threat

[00:38:03] You know as you say you've got two days to go to Italy

[00:38:06] Or I tell people that's where you went

[00:38:09] So good

[00:38:11] And that's the thing, I mean you can see it with Sophia

[00:38:14] Like

[00:38:16] Because even the drug name is just announced by

[00:38:21] That's really she blicks

[00:38:24] And you can see Sophia trying to process that he is kind of working

[00:38:28] In real time here

[00:38:30] And none of this

[00:38:32] Everything that he is saying to Ling Xi

[00:38:36] Is effectively not true

[00:38:38] And again this real

[00:38:43] Time

[00:38:45] Lying

[00:38:47] Subterfuge

[00:38:48] And hers is real time

[00:38:50] Well what can I trust with this man?

[00:38:52] Yeah it's like if you're saying this to other people

[00:38:54] What's he been saying to me in these years as well

[00:38:56] So I love that and it's very much about

[00:38:59] How ours chooses his words

[00:39:01] When he's talking everybody kind of sees it

[00:39:04] That he's working, he's got all the right things to say

[00:39:06] Or chooses the right things to say

[00:39:08] So it is playing on Sophia's mind

[00:39:10] Which he's in dealings with us

[00:39:13] That doesn't really know what's going to come out of his mouth next

[00:39:15] But it may accomplish the goal that they have planned

[00:39:18] And ultimately I think move on to case note number three

[00:39:22] Here at the blackmailing of Johnny Vitey

[00:39:25] Because in order to get Johnny Vitey

[00:39:28] To give the phone call to Feng Xiao

[00:39:32] The leader of the triads that Ling Xi is one of the underbosses for

[00:39:36] You know to say there is support here for this plan

[00:39:40] They need to then work on Johnny Vitey

[00:39:44] Again a really dangerous situation that comes here

[00:39:49] Because a like you said

[00:39:52] You've had Johnny Vitey threatening Sophia here

[00:39:55] But also Johnny and ours are not friends whatsoever

[00:40:04] Is also dealing with Luca Falcone's wife

[00:40:07] And so you have ours having to go to his wife to say

[00:40:11] I want you to do something

[00:40:12] So what he's got over Johnny

[00:40:15] He's also got over Luca Falcone's wife

[00:40:19] Exactly, I'm tells her it's going to be it's going to hurt as well

[00:40:21] You know you're going to have to do this and it's going to hurt

[00:40:24] So I know all about it

[00:40:26] The other added layer that's in here

[00:40:28] And we talked about last week on episode two

[00:40:30] The other layer here that Oz really does want to get back at Johnny

[00:40:35] For what he did for taking away his business effectively

[00:40:40] In New York he was he talks about a little bit later on the episode here

[00:40:43] That he was so proud of everything that he'd accomplished

[00:40:45] And in one day because of the death of Carmine Falcone

[00:40:48] His business was taken away specifically by Johnny

[00:40:50] So it seems like he's always trying to get back at Johnny Viti

[00:40:54] And it takes his opportunity here

[00:40:56] But the extra layer that's added and you heard it on the phone call

[00:40:59] With Sal Moroni at the beginning of the episode

[00:41:00] He also handed over the photographs of Johnny Viti

[00:41:03] Sleeping with Luca Falcone's wife to the Moroni family

[00:41:07] As part of his way to get out

[00:41:09] And he tells Sal at the beginning of the episode

[00:41:10] Did your wife give you those photographs

[00:41:11] Now you've got something on Johnny Viti

[00:41:14] And he'd now used that blackmail to get what he wants

[00:41:17] So is that what causes the Moroni's to arrive at the end of the episode

[00:41:21] That they're aware that he's just taken the prize that he gave them

[00:41:25] And used it for his own benefit, not for theirs

[00:41:27] I wonder if that was part of it

[00:41:29] But it's a great scene, it's a really good scene

[00:41:32] Where we have Johnny knowing that he's caught

[00:41:35] Having sex with the boss' wife by the two of them

[00:41:38] And he tries everything to get out of it

[00:41:40] Yeah, no he does

[00:41:42] But everything to get out of it is trying to throw Oz under the boss

[00:41:47] I mean there is no love lost here

[00:41:50] You know, Oz is wound up by Johnny and vice versa

[00:41:54] Yeah

[00:41:54] And he tries to tell what Sophia already knows

[00:41:58] That it was Ozwell that told Falcone

[00:42:01] And part of the reason why it then led to her being in cast races in Arkham

[00:42:06] It's also that he winds Oz up by saying

[00:42:10] You were kept around for entertainment

[00:42:14] As they sure don't trust you

[00:42:16] Yeah, he might be a fun guy to card game

[00:42:18] But nobody trusts you, everybody thinks you're an idiot

[00:42:20] Exactly

[00:42:21] Oz just going for him across the room

[00:42:23] It's so good

[00:42:24] I mean even you know

[00:42:27] Johnny Visey saying how he took the venues that used to be controlled

[00:42:31] Or under Sophia from her when she was in Arkham

[00:42:35] So all of this kind of distrust, betrayal

[00:42:38] All being laid in

[00:42:40] And the response of Oz here is great

[00:42:44] I mean I really just shoving the remote control down his throat

[00:42:50] And effectively saying you know

[00:42:53] You're going to back Sophia as well

[00:42:55] And you have to show that support to Feng Shou of the Triads

[00:43:02] I thought it was really really good

[00:43:04] But again you kind of just have Sophia stood in the hotel bedroom

[00:43:08] Going

[00:43:11] You know I knew this

[00:43:13] You know again I'm being spoken to as though I never lived this experience

[00:43:19] I knew what happened after I was in Arkham

[00:43:23] And it's a great kind of moment here

[00:43:27] You know this is the moment for me of Christian Miliotti's performance as Sophia

[00:43:31] She stands back smoking a cigarette looking at these two guys fighting for her attention and support

[00:43:36] One her new partner Oz who she doesn't trust because what happened to him in the past

[00:43:40] The other Johnny Visey who's already threatened to kill her effectively within the same day

[00:43:45] And is now pleading with her not to trust Oz and trust in him and the family

[00:43:49] You know she's just looking at them going the pettiness of both of them

[00:43:54] The fact that I would give either of them my time of day

[00:43:56] I need to accomplish what I want to accomplish

[00:43:58] And right now in this moment it's getting Johnny Visey to make that phone call

[00:44:02] I think she just plays it so well

[00:44:04] Worriedlessly until she eventually says I knew all this

[00:44:08] You're not telling me anything new

[00:44:09] But as she just stands back watching these two boys go at it basically

[00:44:14] Really good scene, fantastic performance

[00:44:16] Just a silent performance, just deadly, really good

[00:44:19] Yeah absolutely

[00:44:21] And I think onto our case note number four

[00:44:24] Yeah this is kind of central point of the episode really

[00:44:27] Because as we said this is an episode that really doesn't focus on Oz and Sophia

[00:44:32] There's a lot of big moves that are happening there but it is focused much more on Victor and his decision

[00:44:36] Victor's ever present I think within this

[00:44:38] And part of it is Victor discussing, deciding about whether to leave Gotham

[00:44:45] With his girlfriend Gracelia

[00:44:47] Yeah

[00:44:48] And just how that sort of gradually plays over time

[00:44:53] You know you have her saying I'm going to get a boss

[00:44:56] I'm going to leave Gotham go to California effectively

[00:45:00] Yeah well the side of the country is very important that it's that far away as well

[00:45:03] Exactly you know she kind of says my family is dead, my school's under water

[00:45:07] And I don't particularly want to live in a FEMA camp anymore

[00:45:15] And he's kind of, he takes her up

[00:45:18] He says like get me a ticket you know

[00:45:20] But he does explain to her

[00:45:22] He's just not sure whether he can

[00:45:26] You know he's torn it is a decision

[00:45:29] He does want to go and he tells her to get him a ticket

[00:45:32] Yet he does say to her you know when she comes over to Oz's apartment

[00:45:40] That you know she says that Oz is a club owner

[00:45:45] And then kind of gradually expands on that to say

[00:45:50] Well the issue is he likes to have me around

[00:45:54] It's like he can tell me stuff

[00:45:55] But I've also seen stuff that I shouldn't have done

[00:45:57] Because ultimately he's a mobster

[00:45:59] He's a mob boss and I don't know whether I can actually leave

[00:46:05] Because of him it is the notion of if I tell him I'm going to leave

[00:46:09] Will he kill me because I know too much

[00:46:12] And you have him playing this out in front of the Triads club

[00:46:16] When he's driven Sophia and Oz there

[00:46:22] He's kind of running through what he will say to him

[00:46:25] And he's like no he's going to kill me

[00:46:26] Definitely going to kill me

[00:46:28] And it's just you know that fear of what Oz World might do

[00:46:35] But I do think even in the conversation that he's having with Criselia

[00:46:38] There is a conflict in the words that he's saying

[00:46:41] So he's not just saying I can't leave because he'll kill me

[00:46:45] Because of what I know he is also saying

[00:46:47] I think the guy likes to have me around

[00:46:48] I think he's lonely and he does care for me

[00:46:51] But you know and I love Criselia's response to him going

[00:46:54] Well then you definitely should leave

[00:46:56] If you know something that you're going to be killed for

[00:46:58] You're in a terrifying situation

[00:46:59] Get the hell out of here now you know

[00:47:01] And he does agree with her and gives her the money

[00:47:02] For her hotel room for the night and for bus ticket for himself

[00:47:06] For the following day

[00:47:07] But I did kind of laugh about the fact that just before Oz left

[00:47:10] He gave the thousand dollars to him saying

[00:47:12] You'll get a thousand a week

[00:47:13] And by the end of the episode he's lost every single penny

[00:47:16] Of that thousand dollars

[00:47:17] Not only did he give about a couple of hundred quid away

[00:47:20] To Criselia for the ticket and for the hotel for the night

[00:47:24] He also lost all the money to the cop that got him out of his car

[00:47:28] The GCPD officer who got him out of his car

[00:47:31] For parking in front of the club

[00:47:32] And he lost all the rest of the money

[00:47:34] So this is just a young guy who doesn't have anything in life

[00:47:38] Losing every penny as instantly

[00:47:41] He's torn between the potential of what Oz is offering here

[00:47:45] With his former life with his girlfriend and friends

[00:47:50] And what she is suggesting that they do to make a better life

[00:47:54] But also as well sort of simmering away

[00:47:57] Is the notion of what his dad may have thought

[00:48:00] Is to see his dad

[00:48:01] So I mean that's really complicated

[00:48:04] For Victor running through all these different feelings

[00:48:08] And emotions to make that decision

[00:48:13] Even after he's described to her

[00:48:16] She's like well nothing good can come of this relationship

[00:48:21] If you pursue that

[00:48:23] And he says you sound like my dad

[00:48:25] It's not a bad thing

[00:48:27] And that's the thing

[00:48:28] He's still got there's a respect for his dad and his view

[00:48:32] But also that generational thing of trying to break away

[00:48:36] That we saw in that opening base

[00:48:38] You know that sort of different perspective

[00:48:41] From having been born and brought up in Gotham

[00:48:44] Say rather than having emigrated there with nothing

[00:48:48] And building your way up

[00:48:49] A different perspective on that

[00:48:51] And plus then the new father figure of Oz World

[00:48:55] With you know the important person

[00:48:59] That's still alive from his past life

[00:49:01] Seeing him to do something

[00:49:02] I absolutely loved how this played out

[00:49:06] Throughout the whole of this episode

[00:49:07] I love how complicated it is

[00:49:09] It's not simple

[00:49:10] He's not looking up at Oz and going

[00:49:12] I wish I had what you have

[00:49:13] Or looking up at the rest of the Falcons

[00:49:14] Saying I wish I had what you had

[00:49:16] And I know you've said before

[00:49:17] There is a kind of an echo between Victor and Oz

[00:49:20] That they are a similar kind of people

[00:49:22] But it's much more complicated than that for Victor

[00:49:25] He's not just following in Oz's footsteps

[00:49:27] He has a similar upbringing beforehand

[00:49:29] And now we're seeing this story of him

[00:49:30] Being brought into this world

[00:49:32] He has complicated thoughts about

[00:49:34] Whether he should stay or not

[00:49:36] And there's a great moment at that dinner

[00:49:38] In the beautiful restaurant

[00:49:39] And they're waiting for

[00:49:40] Lucca Falcone's wife to finish dinner

[00:49:42] And they're having that conversation

[00:49:44] Where Oz is very protective of Victor

[00:49:49] Victor's stutter doesn't allow him

[00:49:50] To order the meal

[00:49:51] He wants to order it quickly

[00:49:52] And the waiter tries to rush him

[00:49:54] And Oz cuts the waiter down instantly

[00:49:57] Tells Victor you need to tell people

[00:49:59] To wait for you

[00:50:01] You shouldn't feel bad about

[00:50:03] The way you have a stutter

[00:50:04] You should tell them this is your world

[00:50:06] Make space for yourself in the world

[00:50:08] Take up space

[00:50:09] Stand strong

[00:50:10] And then tells him, as you said

[00:50:12] He tells him that his father would be proud

[00:50:13] Of Victor and the man he'd be coming

[00:50:15] When Victor knows having had that conversation

[00:50:17] With his father

[00:50:18] He absolutely wouldn't be proud of him

[00:50:19] Because he didn't even want to go out

[00:50:21] With somebody that was related to a drug dealer

[00:50:24] Toast's dad

[00:50:24] I mean, I don't...

[00:50:26] I actually thought it was a moving piece

[00:50:28] Of this conversation between the two

[00:50:32] And I think it's really about how

[00:50:33] The penguin is trying to sort of mentor

[00:50:36] In a fatherly way to stomach center

[00:50:37] Or at least that's how because of then

[00:50:40] Him toasting Victor's dad

[00:50:42] Asking what his dad did

[00:50:44] You have Victor saying

[00:50:46] But actually at his heart

[00:50:47] He was a chef

[00:50:48] He liked to cook

[00:50:49] But he would never have been able to

[00:50:51] Come to a fancy restaurant

[00:50:53] Like where we are

[00:50:55] Where they're having their meal

[00:50:58] And it again just further complicates the issue

[00:51:04] Because you have as you say

[00:51:05] You have penguin being outwardly protective of him

[00:51:09] Because he's got this stutter

[00:51:11] In the same way that Ars has got

[00:51:14] The club foot and the limp

[00:51:16] He responds to Victor when he says

[00:51:18] You shouldn't have done that

[00:51:20] And he says, no I shouldn't

[00:51:21] Because you should be standing up for yourself

[00:51:23] You should be the one telling the waiter

[00:51:26] To wait for you to say it

[00:51:28] And then you have him asking about his past

[00:51:31] His background, what he wants

[00:51:33] And it really complicates

[00:51:35] Because it moves into then the nightclub

[00:51:38] As he's using Victor as the bag runner

[00:51:42] To deliver the little vials of bliss

[00:51:45] To the paying customers in the club

[00:51:47] Where he says, you know

[00:51:48] Put your shoulders back

[00:51:50] Fill the space

[00:51:51] You're my man

[00:51:53] You're doing the important jobs

[00:51:54] Everybody wants what you have

[00:51:56] Exactly

[00:51:57] And he kind of toasts Victor

[00:52:00] As the drug handler with his ladies in the club

[00:52:05] In that moment and you see him

[00:52:07] Again, another little bit of

[00:52:14] Responsibility for Victor from Ars here

[00:52:18] And he seems so proud of him

[00:52:20] Like he seems like

[00:52:20] Okay this is working out now

[00:52:21] I'm mentoring this kid

[00:52:22] And he's becoming strong

[00:52:23] He's becoming better

[00:52:24] He's becoming the way I want him to become

[00:52:26] He's turning into the man that I want him to become

[00:52:31] And understandably when Victor eventually

[00:52:33] Is in the bathroom and Ars comes in

[00:52:35] And finds out that he was thinking of leaving Gotham

[00:52:38] Understandably I suppose from Ars's point of view

[00:52:40] He gets really angry at him

[00:52:41] He feels from Victor that Victor thinks

[00:52:43] He's some kind of prisoner

[00:52:44] That he feels like, as we mentioned earlier on

[00:52:46] He feels like there's been a gun at his head to stay

[00:52:48] And Arswell is going absolutely not

[00:52:50] You could have walked away at any time

[00:52:51] Do you think I'm actually keeping you as a prisoner here?

[00:52:53] I don't want you around

[00:52:54] If I was keeping you as a prisoner

[00:52:56] I would have a gun at your head

[00:52:57] And again, it feels like

[00:53:00] Ars could kill him right here

[00:53:01] Could just put a bullet in his brain

[00:53:02] And be done with it

[00:53:03] Absolutely

[00:53:03] But Ars tells him to go

[00:53:05] He tells him if you want to leave

[00:53:06] Get out of here

[00:53:08] Yeah absolutely

[00:53:08] I really kind of just how this played out

[00:53:11] You know because Arswell comes in

[00:53:14] With the deal having just been done

[00:53:17] With Xiaow

[00:53:18] Sophia has gone off

[00:53:20] But so Victor is the first person he tells

[00:53:23] That the deal is done

[00:53:24] You know, you were my big man

[00:53:27] You were my bag man

[00:53:29] I'm proud of you, you know

[00:53:30] And then he sees all the phone messages

[00:53:33] That have been coming

[00:53:34] I've been going backwards and forwards

[00:53:36] Between Victor and Gracelia

[00:53:38] And you know, it breaks down

[00:53:44] Because in a sense

[00:53:45] Payment feels a little bit deceived

[00:53:47] A bit betrayed here

[00:53:48] Yeah actually first off he thinks that Victor's taking all the money

[00:53:51] That he's been gathering from the girls

[00:53:54] Who were selling all the bliss

[00:53:55] That he's going to take all the money

[00:53:56] And run off with the money

[00:53:57] So instantly Ars feels really betrayed right there

[00:54:00] Yeah

[00:54:01] And like you say then

[00:54:03] The whole thing around being a prisoner

[00:54:04] But I love that again

[00:54:06] And we've had this conversation from Ars

[00:54:09] To Victor previously

[00:54:10] About the world doesn't care about you

[00:54:13] Or your family

[00:54:15] You're not going to get awards for dying in the project

[00:54:19] Not having bettered yourself

[00:54:20] You know, real harsh

[00:54:21] And he says so you can go

[00:54:23] Because if you do you won't deserve any of this

[00:54:27] And you have Victor heading out then to the bus station

[00:54:30] Yeah but taking the Maserati with him

[00:54:33] Yeah well that was kind of an interesting question

[00:54:36] If he was going to leave on the bus

[00:54:37] Was he going to leave the Maserati at the bus station

[00:54:39] Or do you think he was already

[00:54:44] Do you think he was taking it in anger at Ars

[00:54:47] Or do you think he was going to leave at the bus station

[00:54:49] For him I guess

[00:54:50] I guess that is the interesting thing

[00:54:52] Because I think on the other side of it

[00:54:54] Is that he ultimately doesn't go with Gracelia

[00:54:59] From that perspective

[00:55:01] But equally you could argue

[00:55:04] Because he's taken the Maserati

[00:55:05] I mean he could just leave that

[00:55:06] And Ars with his connections at some point

[00:55:09] Would probably have that found

[00:55:10] Yeah they say it stands out right

[00:55:12] But the other side of it is

[00:55:15] Has he made up his decision based on the conversation

[00:55:18] Both in the bathrooms at the club

[00:55:21] Maybe from the restaurant

[00:55:24] That he is actually looking to see

[00:55:28] If Gracelia stays in Gotham for him

[00:55:31] Or whether she leaves

[00:55:32] All of a sudden I'm there going

[00:55:34] Yeah he took the car because he knew

[00:55:37] He was always going to stay

[00:55:38] But then he wondered

[00:55:40] You know I want her to stay as well

[00:55:42] And what he wants to see is that her choice

[00:55:44] In the same way that she's there going

[00:55:46] Does he want to come with me

[00:55:47] And that's his choice

[00:55:49] So it's kind of coming from both sides of it

[00:55:51] It could equally be that as well

[00:55:53] And that's why he goes to the bus station

[00:55:57] You know maybe when he first went

[00:56:00] There was something that he might just do it

[00:56:02] But you know by going there

[00:56:04] He realizes

[00:56:07] I'm either driving a Maserati

[00:56:09] Or I'm like what 24 hours stuck in coach

[00:56:13] Yeah that's true

[00:56:14] That's true or two or three weeks

[00:56:15] Probably going across the country

[00:56:18] But there is that moment where he walks

[00:56:19] A couple of steps past the Maserati

[00:56:21] And then kind of realizes

[00:56:21] He's got the keys in his pocket

[00:56:23] And goes back to get the car

[00:56:24] I don't know whether it was just

[00:56:25] Two figures up to us

[00:56:26] And he was going to steal the car

[00:56:27] Well I think that as well

[00:56:29] But he does by the time he gets

[00:56:30] To the bus station

[00:56:30] He just watches Gracelia get on the bus

[00:56:34] And leave and then he

[00:56:36] Hightails it back over

[00:56:36] Yeah he heads back towards the club

[00:56:39] To effectively take up his position

[00:56:43] With Oz you know

[00:56:45] But I think we can move on to our

[00:56:48] Case in at number five

[00:56:48] Because things have happened

[00:56:51] In that period of time

[00:56:53] Where Victor is thinking about going

[00:56:55] And having that conversation

[00:56:57] With Oz in the bathroom

[00:56:58] And whilst he's been on the

[00:57:01] The dance floor selling the drugs

[00:57:03] Because you've got this whole

[00:57:06] Trial of the bliss drug

[00:57:08] At the nightclub

[00:57:10] And you have this great conversation

[00:57:14] Between Sophia and the head

[00:57:16] Of the triads Feng Shao

[00:57:18] Where he's not convinced

[00:57:21] Because of the betrayal from the falcones

[00:57:24] Where the falcon family

[00:57:25] Effectively pushed the triads

[00:57:27] Out of the drug trade

[00:57:28] And limited their territory

[00:57:31] Just to Chinatown

[00:57:32] And I like that again

[00:57:34] Sophia always underestimated

[00:57:36] Goes well I've been doing some digging

[00:57:38] And I see that your father was a psychologist

[00:57:41] And this drug use is rooted in psychology

[00:57:44] You know the world as they knew it

[00:57:47] Has gone these people on the club floor

[00:57:51] You've had Oswald saying how

[00:57:54] The price has been going up and up

[00:57:56] And people are still buying it

[00:57:57] That's unheard of

[00:57:59] But they need an escape

[00:58:03] And this is a very powerful drug

[00:58:07] For that psychological need

[00:58:09] And she goes whoever controls it

[00:58:11] Will control the future drug trade

[00:58:13] You know you've seen what we have

[00:58:17] You make the deal or you don't

[00:58:21] And she walks off like she's like

[00:58:23] That's it I'm done

[00:58:24] I've had to kind of expose

[00:58:27] My timing Arkham

[00:58:29] Having taken that the reason for it

[00:58:31] And saying okay the people on the dance floor

[00:58:35] Might not be an Arkham

[00:58:36] But it's the same kind of thing

[00:58:38] They need that escape from their situation

[00:58:40] And this is the fact that they've lost

[00:58:43] Loved ones, their houses could be underwater

[00:58:46] They've lost their job whatever

[00:58:48] They need that escape

[00:58:50] I really like this argument that she has

[00:58:53] This discussion that she has

[00:58:55] I just think it works so well in Gotham as a city

[00:58:58] You know we've seen the underbelly of Gotham

[00:59:01] A lot in the past but this idea that

[00:59:03] The reason why drugs are taking such a hold

[00:59:05] Within Gotham is because the city has gotten

[00:59:07] So much worse

[00:59:09] In the Batman movie it was drops

[00:59:11] Where the drug that everybody was addicted to

[00:59:13] But drops doesn't seem to give the euphoria

[00:59:15] That bliss is giving

[00:59:16] This idea that you are completely relaxed

[00:59:20] You are completely enjoying your experience

[00:59:22] Drop seems more like a heroin drug

[00:59:24] And this seems more like a party drug

[00:59:25] As the girls describe it

[00:59:27] When they're about to sell it as well

[00:59:29] The way that Sophia says

[00:59:31] This is filling the need, the psychological need

[00:59:34] That the people of Gotham have

[00:59:35] And you will control the streets of Gotham

[00:59:37] If you have this drug you just really enjoyed it

[00:59:39] But again she does use her time in Arkham

[00:59:41] To sell it, she says it made us compliant

[00:59:43] And she has to explain to this guy

[00:59:45] Who doesn't trust her because she was in Arkham

[00:59:48] She has to explain to him

[00:59:49] That the reason why she's the best partner here

[00:59:51] Is because she understands what the drug actually does for you

[00:59:53] Thought that was really good

[00:59:55] But also there is moments

[00:59:59] Between Sophia and Oz

[01:00:00] Where she is pushing back at him

[01:00:03] Being the partner

[01:00:04] In this operation

[01:00:06] It was supposed to be her brother

[01:00:07] Who she loved and spent all this time with

[01:00:09] Over the years, the only one that

[01:00:11] Was on her side

[01:00:12] He was supposed to be her partner

[01:00:14] And here she is stuck with Oz

[01:00:15] Who she knows I'm sure

[01:00:17] In the back of her mind

[01:00:18] Basically just overheard this plan

[01:00:20] And stole it, you know

[01:00:22] And she doesn't want that at all

[01:00:23] She even says Fang Zhao isn't here to meet

[01:00:26] Sophia Falcone and her driver

[01:00:29] He's here to meet me

[01:00:30] Not you, stick out of it

[01:00:32] I'll do the deal

[01:00:33] And then as she walks away at the end

[01:00:35] Of giving the full explanation

[01:00:36] She just goes to Oz

[01:00:37] Okay, you just do the deal

[01:00:39] I don't even care anymore basically

[01:00:40] Like Sophia

[01:00:43] And Oz's relationship

[01:00:44] Certainly is not firm

[01:00:46] As I say, she's seen two other people

[01:00:48] That distrust Oz

[01:00:50] Have made notions about

[01:00:52] You know, he would make moves

[01:00:55] And as you say

[01:00:56] That whole thing before

[01:00:58] Fang Zhao is there

[01:01:00] Is just really, really good

[01:01:03] I mean she also says

[01:01:04] You say all the right things

[01:01:06] And was it worth it what you did to me?

[01:01:09] Yeah, and it's interesting isn't it

[01:01:10] Because I have that conversation later on

[01:01:11] After she's walked away and she's outside

[01:01:13] Waiting for the decision and Oz doesn't run too

[01:01:15] Remedically by the way

[01:01:16] He goes down and talks to Victor first

[01:01:18] And then goes out to talk to Sophia

[01:01:21] But they have that conversation

[01:01:22] And it's interesting that she says

[01:01:24] You always know the right words to say

[01:01:26] And again confronts him saying

[01:01:27] Was it worth what you did to me

[01:01:29] And what Oz goes is yes

[01:01:31] Yes it was, I got all the things I wanted

[01:01:33] I got the life I wanted

[01:01:34] A guy like me getting the position that I got

[01:01:37] Being in charge of a whole

[01:01:39] Area to sell drugs in this city

[01:01:41] Getting that responsibility from

[01:01:43] Karma Alfonkoni, it absolutely was

[01:01:45] Worth what I did to you

[01:01:46] But I am sorry for it

[01:01:48] I'm sorry for everything you went through

[01:01:50] Like the point he makes is that

[01:01:52] I got a better life

[01:01:53] It might not mean as much to you

[01:01:56] But for me it was a step up

[01:01:59] And it was the thing I could have imagined

[01:02:01] Yeah, and I'm sorry for everything

[01:02:03] That's happened to you

[01:02:04] Like he does say at the start

[01:02:07] Whether that's true or not

[01:02:08] But it's the thing afterwards

[01:02:11] Where he says

[01:02:12] Whether that's true or not is debatable

[01:02:15] I think he was probably Sophia's

[01:02:17] Driver to keep tabs on her for

[01:02:19] Her father

[01:02:20] It was just the handler

[01:02:22] Essentially he was

[01:02:25] Her protection but also

[01:02:27] If there was any whiff of betrayal

[01:02:29] You know, it would go back

[01:02:31] To Falcone

[01:02:32] But he said

[01:02:34] I didn't realise he would do

[01:02:36] That to his own flesh and blood

[01:02:39] And that was the suggestion

[01:02:41] That she ended up in Arkham

[01:02:45] Because that's where

[01:02:46] Falcone wanted her to go

[01:02:48] With all the murders

[01:02:50] Yeah, could be that

[01:02:52] That kind of suggestion

[01:02:54] So it's kind of layered

[01:02:56] Nicely layered I think

[01:02:57] It is absolutely

[01:02:58] But I just love that

[01:03:00] It starts out with her going

[01:03:02] You always choose the right words

[01:03:03] You always say the right things

[01:03:05] And I think she's very surprised

[01:03:08] With Oz choosing the words

[01:03:10] That he chooses to say to her

[01:03:12] Because he's so careful about

[01:03:14] The words he chooses with everybody else

[01:03:16] It almost does bring her back

[01:03:19] Into a little bit more trusting situation

[01:03:21] With Oz because he is telling her

[01:03:23] The absolute truth

[01:03:24] No, I don't regret doing it

[01:03:25] Because look what I got

[01:03:26] I am sorry for you

[01:03:31] But look what I got me

[01:03:32] So I can't tell you

[01:03:34] I'm sorry for doing it

[01:03:34] And I think she's very surprised

[01:03:37] But she ends the conversation with him

[01:03:39] Saying I don't know how to trust you

[01:03:40] And I know how we're going to work together

[01:03:42] And he says well I'll just do things

[01:03:43] That will help you to trust me

[01:03:45] And the next we see is effectively

[01:03:48] Nadia arriving

[01:03:49] Another person angry at another Oz

[01:03:51] Betrayal getting out of the car

[01:03:53] You know you've betrayed me

[01:03:55] So how would Sophia ever trust Oz?

[01:03:58] Victor comes in

[01:03:59] Takes out one of Moroni's men with the

[01:04:01] Maserati denting the heck out of the front

[01:04:03] Of the car and takes Oz away

[01:04:05] And as we said earlier on Oz goes

[01:04:07] Leave her behind and you're going

[01:04:08] Hang on a second you literally just said a moment ago

[01:04:11] I will do everything I have her to get you

[01:04:12] To trust in me and then

[01:04:14] Nadia come in and then you're left

[01:04:16] Behind with Nadia and Moroni

[01:04:18] What about Sophia? Leave her I love it

[01:04:19] And we see this from Victor's

[01:04:22] Point of view here so he's coming back

[01:04:24] From the bus terminal

[01:04:27] After

[01:04:28] Not getting the coach

[01:04:30] With his girlfriend

[01:04:32] And sees Oz

[01:04:34] And Sophia on his knees

[01:04:36] With the gun pointed at him from

[01:04:38] Member of the Moroni gang

[01:04:40] With Nadia

[01:04:42] He's going in there

[01:04:44] To save Oz but presumably to save

[01:04:47] Sophia as well

[01:04:47] He asked that question what about Sophia

[01:04:49] And it's just like leave her

[01:04:51] And you know it's just

[01:04:54] Really really good and I cannot wait

[01:04:56] For the next episode

[01:04:58] Where the fall out from this

[01:05:00] I guess

[01:05:01] Sophia is in a really dangerous position

[01:05:04] Where she could be effectively kidnapped

[01:05:06] Or just killed by Moroni's

[01:05:08] That are still alive

[01:05:09] Because again Victor could

[01:05:12] Only really plow

[01:05:14] The Maserati into one

[01:05:16] Of the Moroni

[01:05:18] Thugs

[01:05:19] But you know it disrupted the whole thing

[01:05:22] You do hear a few gunshots as well going off

[01:05:25] But Oz has been

[01:05:26] Sort of safely

[01:05:29] Extricated from

[01:05:30] This really bad position

[01:05:32] And you're right there's just

[01:05:34] Little lines that he says as he's

[01:05:36] Driving away where he's like I'm so proud of you

[01:05:38] I knew you'd come back I always knew you would

[01:05:39] That was amazing that was fantastic

[01:05:42] But there's just that little maniacal laugh

[01:05:43] From when he goes we're really in it now

[01:05:46] It's that moment where you realise Penguin

[01:05:48] Does love living on this kind of edge

[01:05:50] He does absolutely it's so good

[01:05:52] When things work out for him

[01:05:53] Even though this is just a very small win

[01:05:55] He got out of there right where they're being killed

[01:05:57] So he can live for another day

[01:05:58] Always live for the next day

[01:06:00] A great end to the episode

[01:06:03] So again very excited

[01:06:04] For what's going to happen next week

[01:06:07] That's kind of it for our case

[01:06:09] Notes from the episode any notes

[01:06:10] Anything you wanted to mention

[01:06:12] No notes from me

[01:06:15] One of the things I do like to just say

[01:06:16] Quick note from me one of the things I do like

[01:06:18] About this episode once again we see

[01:06:20] Another member of the GCPD

[01:06:22] Who are horrible

[01:06:24] In the city

[01:06:26] Last time we saw them it was a detective

[01:06:29] Who was a detective wise

[01:06:31] Who was addicted to drops

[01:06:33] And he's the one that

[01:06:35] Grabbed one of Moroni's men and dragged him over

[01:06:37] To the Falcone house

[01:06:38] Here we have a traffic cop

[01:06:40] Effectively who takes 800 quid

[01:06:42] From a young kid

[01:06:44] Because he's parked in the wrong place

[01:06:47] So once again

[01:06:48] GCPD horrible people

[01:06:50] In this show

[01:06:51] Absolutely and Victor tells Oswald

[01:06:55] About this and he's like it's the cost

[01:06:57] Of doing business in this town kind of thing

[01:06:59] Easy come easy go kind of thing

[01:07:01] Interestingly though

[01:07:02] I do wonder because the cop must know

[01:07:04] Whose premises he's outside

[01:07:06] I guess he's just

[01:07:08] Seeing what he can get away with

[01:07:10] And he gets away with 800 dollars

[01:07:13] Exactly that's the GCPD

[01:07:15] One other quick note

[01:07:17] I just again reference in Gotham

[01:07:19] In Gotham there was a drug

[01:07:21] That came on the streets very early

[01:07:23] In the time of the series called Viper

[01:07:25] If you remember that was an early version of Venom

[01:07:27] And it was giving people super strength

[01:07:29] Effectively so that's how they dealt with it

[01:07:30] In Gotham here Bliss really does seem

[01:07:32] Like they've taken something from Arkham

[01:07:35] To deliver a euphoric high

[01:07:37] To people on the streets but it doesn't seem

[01:07:38] That it has any

[01:07:41] Super villain creating side of it

[01:07:43] That's not how they're going it's a much more realistic

[01:07:44] So it seems like they're kind of going for the idea

[01:07:47] Of having heroin

[01:07:48] Being replaced with ecstasy almost

[01:07:51] Exactly with the party kids

[01:07:53] Taking this drug so I just wanted to mention

[01:07:54] It's just because we've been watching a lot of Gotham

[01:07:56] Over the last couple of days

[01:07:57] Brother Stuff John how would you rate this episode

[01:08:01] Of the Penguin episode 3

[01:08:02] I really love this episode give it 5

[01:08:04] Bougie bachelor pads

[01:08:06] Out of 5

[01:08:07] And I really liked having

[01:08:09] Victor threaded throughout this episode

[01:08:13] As Oz

[01:08:14] Sort of seemingly wins around

[01:08:17] Possibly

[01:08:18] Sophia and then doesn't

[01:08:20] I like the fact that

[01:08:22] We have 2 points of view

[01:08:24] From Johnny Viti

[01:08:25] And from

[01:08:27] The Triad Underboss

[01:08:30] Link-Sau

[01:08:30] In terms of their view of

[01:08:34] Oz that

[01:08:35] Sophia is there for both of those and is

[01:08:38] Kind of

[01:08:39] Processing that all the time

[01:08:41] You have them effectively play that out

[01:08:43] About how can she trust him

[01:08:45] You know you need to sort of get your sense of place

[01:08:48] It's my deal

[01:08:50] It's my party effectively with this

[01:08:52] And ultimately for

[01:08:54] Oz to betray at the last moment

[01:08:56] Bought for Victor to

[01:08:57] Make his decision

[01:08:59] To stay in Gotham

[01:09:01] And to be

[01:09:04] Deep in

[01:09:05] With Oz

[01:09:06] As Oz says to him at the end we're in it now

[01:09:10] So I really enjoyed this

[01:09:11] I think this pairing of Oz and Victor are

[01:09:13] Really really good

[01:09:15] I don't know how it will finish

[01:09:17] I really hope that there is

[01:09:19] In Gotham

[01:09:21] We have Oz will couple part

[01:09:23] And Gabe who is

[01:09:24] A sort of henchman

[01:09:25] I really hope that this plays out similarly

[01:09:29] Because I'm absolutely loving

[01:09:30] This relationship of these two

[01:09:34] Tents

[01:09:35] We even had the penguin

[01:09:37] And butchakalazine remember as well

[01:09:38] So we always had a henchman

[01:09:41] It's tense

[01:09:42] It's not entirely

[01:09:44] On

[01:09:45] Firm foundations but I think

[01:09:47] There's something there that

[01:09:50] Means

[01:09:51] That they are kind of stuck together

[01:09:54] I really really enjoy it

[01:09:56] So yeah I'd give this five

[01:09:57] Boozy bachelor pads

[01:09:59] Out of five

[01:10:00] Fantastic yeah totally with you John

[01:10:02] Despite the show being called the penguin

[01:10:05] This is proof again

[01:10:07] That this show is absolutely a three

[01:10:09] Hander between these three characters

[01:10:11] Between penguin, Sophia and Victor

[01:10:14] And I can't take my eyes off any of them

[01:10:16] When they're on the screen

[01:10:16] They're all really central to this story

[01:10:18] And I'm loving seeing it from different point of views

[01:10:20] Great job in this episode

[01:10:22] John I think I need to have a drink

[01:10:25] And a tab of bliss after this episode

[01:10:28] I think we need to go down

[01:10:29] To the iceberg lounge

[01:10:31] Yes our iceberg lounge

[01:10:33] Quiz has suddenly taken a dot

[01:10:37] But fellow Gothamites

[01:10:38] Fellow quizzes

[01:10:39] Yes welcome back to our

[01:10:41] Iceberg lounge pub quiz

[01:10:43] For this series

[01:10:45] Of penguin

[01:10:47] We're on episode three so of course

[01:10:50] We are on

[01:10:51] Question three

[01:10:52] What does Oz order from the menu

[01:10:55] When out for dinner with Victor

[01:10:58] That's a pretty good one because most people

[01:10:59] Will remember what Victor ordered

[01:11:01] But you may not have cost what Oz ordered

[01:11:03] So John's going to give the question one more time

[01:11:05] Sure

[01:11:05] What does Oz order from the menu

[01:11:08] When out for dinner with Victor

[01:11:11] Fantastic

[01:11:11] That's it, that's the third question in the pub quiz

[01:11:14] Our iceberg lounge quiz

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[01:11:18] For this season of the penguin

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[01:12:01] Yeah looking forward to episode 4

[01:12:03] It'll be great thanks so much

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