Marvel Zombies Finale Review

MARVEL ZOMBIES EPISODE 4 TRANSCRIPT

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[JOHN]: This is the Defenders podcast on TV podcast industries, and we're talking about Marvel Zombies, the final episode. Episode 4.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: I can't help you.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: You're not saving us.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: You're killing us.

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[QUEEN OF THE DEAD]: Kamala.

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[QUEEN OF THE DEAD]: If you stop me.

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[QUEEN OF THE DEAD]: All This!

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[QUEEN OF THE DEAD]: Is for nothing. Would you have your friends die, for nothing?

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[JOHN]: Welcome back fellow defenders to TV podcast industries.

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[JOHN]: We are here with the final episodes of Marvel Zombies episode 4.

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[JOHN]: I am one of your gurgog hosts John.

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[DEREK]: I'm your other host Derek.

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[DEREK]: Still, as you can probably hear under fire from fireworks.

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[JOHN]: We love a good ol' fireworks on Halloween.

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[DEREK]: In fairness, it has been going since September, but it's been going since August.

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[DEREK]: They must have had some massive excess of fireworks even with them going every day.

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[JOHN]: And they're illegal here.

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[JOHN]: So there you go.

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[JOHN]: Please take just around the corner.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I think everybody's ready to blow off a little bit of steam as long as we don't blow off their own hands.

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[DEREK]: It should be okay.

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[JOHN]: Well, let's see what happens.

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[DEREK]: Yes, we're going to crack into our final episode of Marvel Zombies.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff, but let us crack on with our spoiler-filled discussion.

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[JOHN]: A deck who gave us what we're wearing and how?

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[DEREK]: Well, the Tallyfly, of course, for the series has been written by Zebb Wells and the story for the series written by Zebb Wells and Brian Andrews just like this episode.

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[DEREK]: Actually, this is directed.

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[DEREK]: Once again, as has been the case for all episodes by Brian Andrews.

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[DEREK]: John, why don't you tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for the finale of Marvel Zombies.

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[DEREK]: Sure.

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[JOHN]: Episode 4, a bloody end.

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[JOHN]: The Nova Corchutes down the Azgarian ship, but the group is rescued by the Sorceress of Kamatage, who reveal that Bruce Banner willingly absorbed the Infinity Stone's energy after their destruction and has transformed into Infinity Hulk to prevent it from destroying Earth.

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[JOHN]: But having a massing of zombies to defeat Hulk, Wanda arrives to take the Stone's energy for herself.

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[JOHN]: Hulk fights off the zombies, zombie abomination, the giant size zombies, the pins zombies, and there's Guardian zombies before the group arrives to defend him, but they are soon overpowered.

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[JOHN]: With the arrival of a zombified floor, he soon kills Blade, Sarah, and the London Master, as the overwhelming hordes also kills Shang-G, Katie, Valkyrie, Rintra, Parker, and Lang.

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[JOHN]: Hulk unleashes a powerful blast to kill Thor, but it leaves him vulnerable and allows what Wanda to take the Stone's energy.

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[JOHN]: Despite her initial refusal, Kamala is persuaded by

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[JOHN]: After a blinding explosion, Kamala wakes up and reunites with Riri and Kate, with everything seeming to have gone back to normal.

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[JOHN]: However, reality flickers and Kamala sees the real Riri fighting zombies, who tells Kamala that she has hacked the system, and that what she is seeing is not real, leaving Kamala shocked and confused.

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[DEREK]: She's out the only one.

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[DEREK]: I know.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Cut to credits, no post-credit scene, no guarantee of a second season.

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[DEREK]: I know.

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[DEREK]: Although everybody involved in the show has been saying that they have loads of ideas if they do get commissioned for a second season of at Marvel Zombie.

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[JOHN]: Just go watch it.

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[DEREK]: Just go watch it.

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[DEREK]: Just go watch it.

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[JOHN]: Exactly.

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[JOHN]: Getting them out of the hellhole that old wonders put them in.

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[JOHN]: Maybe that's an idea.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, very, very kind of depressing, like, fatalistic type ending of a shirt, which was great.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I don't personally have any problems with that.

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[JOHN]: But I was like, oh, okay.

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[JOHN]: Although I did like the fact that Riri and, you know, my son, yeah, my son survived and the value of the god.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: And, but...

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[JOHN]: I think on to our top three from this episode, first off, Infinity Hulk, oh yes, how cool, very cool.

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[JOHN]: Almost, I almost had destiny vibes actually, yeah, which was very, it was just very, very cool, really, just really, really liked it.

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[JOHN]: And I'm glad it kind of explained how all that energy, you know, because it

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[JOHN]: In the last episode, it's kind of left where it's ripping through the world and so, you know, Scott Lang and Peter Parker get saved by the sorcerer.

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[JOHN]: So, yeah, I thought this was quite nice that they had managed to sort of contain all that energy through the sacrifice of banner.

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[JOHN]: And the other thing should mention in this point with, you know, we're finding this out.

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[JOHN]: We find this out because

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[JOHN]: The Asgardianship is chased and shot down by an over core.

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[JOHN]: I do like the fact that it's kind of given the very bureaucratic name of the disinfection protocol.

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[JOHN]: But literally they are disinfected and as they fall back down to Earth, they again are saved by the slingering portal, which is a nice little animation that you see.

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[DEREK]: Well, it's just what that is.

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[DEREK]: It's something just to stir it up.

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[JOHN]: Well, you did it.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, it was really good.

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[DEREK]: And also that they just leave Kavala to the last, and then eventually catch her just before she hits the water, which would have instantly killed her.

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[JOHN]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: Exactly.

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[JOHN]: But yeah, I like that then, you know, you have he a Bruce Banner, they call it is now a cipher.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: Where he is protecting the energies that can make or break this world.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[DEREK]: thought it was really interesting that they talk about it with with the team of commenters and they're saying there is no longer a Bruce Banner at all.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, the person that now exists is Infinity Hulk.

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[DEREK]: Bruce Banner has been sacrificed.

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[DEREK]: He's turned it to the Hulk permanently so he can absorb the energy and you'll stay like that unless interrupted, I guess, be because that's the whole arc of the episode here.

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[DEREK]: And

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[DEREK]: You know, gotta call it it.

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[DEREK]: That is what happens in Endgame as well.

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[DEREK]: He's the Hulk as the one that picks up the Infinity Gauntlet, Hulk as the one that snaps everything back into existence.

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[DEREK]: So he is the only one of the team that's powerful enough to be able to hold the power of the Infinity Stones.

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[DEREK]: So that's what's that's why they choose him here to be in Wakanda.

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[JOHN]: yeah absolutely and just by all this kind of all this absorbed power and you know the wonder uh the queen of the dead has um you know her army assembled now has the numbers to take this power for a set for herself and and I do like you know there is the

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[JOHN]: Well, ultimatum made by the sorcerers of Kamatars that, you know, is now time to stand with those against the coming battle against this queen of the dead, and the, I think it's at Kamatars, it's a fight worth fighting, and I think it's Kamatars, but yes.

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[JOHN]: So this ultimately then brings us to our point number two, which is the fight for Infinity

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[JOHN]: And that power that can either destroy or create the worlds.

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[DEREK]: And this is absolutely massive.

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[DEREK]: This is one of the queen of the dead with every single representative of every society under the zombies coming down.

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[DEREK]: We have the Asgardian zombies.

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[DEREK]: We have the zombie tollicons coming back.

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[DEREK]: We have obviously zombie humans.

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[DEREK]: We have the giant zombies from here.

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[JOHN]: in terms of these as guardians on bees in their flying long boats and you have the you have a bombination again all the science yeah and all the science and I did this for some reason

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[JOHN]: And I really got vibes of the Witch King of Agma sort of send forth legions because it was just like, you know, that wave after wave of zombies and breaking on the rock that is infinity Hulk and I

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[JOHN]: just kind of really enjoyed it, you know, you have this back and forth between one-to-match-muff looking on, zombie one-to-match-muff looking on, you know, because I've come to ease your pain, you know, this soothing sort of disarming queen of the dead.

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[JOHN]: But I do like the way that then you have Bruce Banner just taking out.

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[JOHN]: You know, abomination is taking out really easily by him.

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[JOHN]: He takes the pins on bees.

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[JOHN]: quite nicely.

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[JOHN]: One is actually taken away, not to worry by the 10 rings as she moves towards him, because he does, like just sheer numbers of zombie horrors that Bruce Banner didn't only do so much and starts to get overwhelmed.

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[JOHN]: But you have then the group from Kamatage arriving to protect

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[DEREK]: the queen to touch Bruce Baller.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: Again, I kind of mentioned a back in episode three that a couple of the members of the sorcerers are Kamataz that were in multiverse of Madness and were used to full effect.

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[DEREK]: Are used to full effect here.

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[DEREK]: We have Sarah who I think was the love interest of one back in multiverse of Madness but she wasn't really

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[DEREK]: Front and Center.

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[DEREK]: We have her up against the Asgardians turning their own weapons on themselves Turn their weapons on their ships using her her magic.

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[DEREK]: I thought I was really cool We of course have Rintra the the Minitaur using his horns to spear zombies as he runs through them I know he can do lots more than that.

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[DEREK]: I know he's also sorcery, but why not do it?

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[JOHN]: Have a minute tour.

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[JOHN]: It was really good.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I think for me this two I thought a blade night

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[JOHN]: Well, it's literally lengthwise.

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[JOHN]: So...

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[JOHN]: It's just slicing him in half in slow mode really good.

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[JOHN]: I did actually really like that sequence of Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyme going big, small and how they deal with that we saw Blade Knight deal with Ghost before and I kind of liked that his sword just slices Hank Pym in half.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: That was really good and also then I think the London Master

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[JOHN]: I must say, I was like, oh, I like this, this magic, really, really good.

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[JOHN]: He had a couple of good ones and then he did here.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, and my ear was caught by the language he's speaking, he says.

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[DEREK]: Obviously, Celtic related, he's not killed, doesn't he?

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[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah, so I had to check it out because I recognized some of the words that he was saying it was actually speaking in Gaelic or Scalish Gaelic and he's saying the phrase when he's standing in front of all the zombies and he puts the kind of explosions Right in front of them.

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[DEREK]: What he's saying is suit the chaos for out as rather Which translates as that's your head exploding.

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[DEREK]: That's the spelling.

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[DEREK]: This is an literally all their heads explode at the same time What a cool way of using of using a big sort of

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[JOHN]: like St. Patrick's Cross of magic that then races across the battlefield as well.

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[JOHN]: kills here going on I thought really nicely done as they even like Rintre using his head to like the way he does his capture really well in the animation absolutely and so yeah this fight was epic it was awesome but ultimately Wonder does get to Bruce because of

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[JOHN]: the intervention of zombie thought so he does lose to um one-to-maximoth here he loses to one-to-maximoth but importantly because it's been a question since the first ever Avengers Hulk vs Thor who wins Hulk wins this time yeah Hulk absolutely wins and but

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I mean, Thor takes out a lot of people here, he takes out Blade Knight, the Minotaur, the Sorcerers primarily, like, yeah, this doesn't go well as soon as he's on the field of battle

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[JOHN]: Use of energy and power just makes him vulnerable for that second.

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[JOHN]: And I love how you just kind of see One-to-maximal was zipping in in from to him.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, and effectively then having this

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[JOHN]: conversation with Kamala.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, really the only person left standing.

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[DEREK]: And then yeah, the fact that she starts to raise all of Kamala's friends as zombies is phenomenal.

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[DEREK]: You know, I was wondering for a moment is this another, um,

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[DEREK]: magic manipulation from wander or have everybody or has everybody that's died so far turned into zombies and joined one bizarre me which is I don't know which is worse I really have no idea which is worse.

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[DEREK]: Is it worse that the all of your friends die or is it worse that

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[DEREK]: As your friends die, they join the army against you.

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[JOHN]: You know, I feel pretty bad.

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[DEREK]: It just doesn't feel just so hopeless.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Try to save the world and everybody falls behind you.

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[DEREK]: They join the opposite side.

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[JOHN]: Like if they were conscious, it's almost like a betrayal.

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[JOHN]: But they're not.

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[JOHN]: Of course.

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[JOHN]: But it is.

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[JOHN]: it's just hopelessness and I think that's the interesting thing is that that's hugely hopeless you know for Kamala and yet everything that Wanda is saying to it is that her persuasion is to from Kamala to link up with her is so that the world can be healed and can begin again and you know it's a very hopeful message yet she's just showed a hopeless message by getting all her

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[JOHN]: friends and fighting companions back up on their feet at some beats.

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[JOHN]: So like you're there kind of going shouting at the screen like Kavala, no, don't take a bite.

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[DEREK]: And that kind of leads us to our final point which is the coscieto virgins of the two powers.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Kavala says, you know, I guess if it is

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[DEREK]: Oh, I don't know, everybody's gone and Kamala can't possibly take on one of the maximum, one of the maximum is way too powerful, but just Kamala on her own.

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[JOHN]: It's one of those things, isn't it?

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[JOHN]: Everything seemingly is back to normal and heels, you know, to wonder Maximoff's promise to Kamala and you have Kamala going to meet

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[JOHN]: You know, at her own front door, but you also have Medibah, making her especially a guest degree.

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[DEREK]: So the voice of her mum calling it again.

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[JOHN]: Everything is seemingly great, but it's kind of like painting over mold and it comes back through.

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[JOHN]: And so it's an illusion.

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[JOHN]: And you have that...

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[JOHN]: the mold of the zombies coming back through this illusion that has been created and seemingly this red magic has been hacked by Riri who is alive and has survived the valley of the gods.

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[JOHN]: So yes, that was pretty cool, but ultimately and it is left with Kamala

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[JOHN]: having got that sense of this deception of the illusion and being back in the illusion.

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[JOHN]: You know, like, so it would be interesting and it ends with just like the flash-up of Wanda and her zombie face.

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[JOHN]: So I really do hope they kind of do a season two.

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[DEREK]: I do, but I also like the horror ending that they have here that you think the villainous is beaten because the good guy's done the thing at the end, you know, it's like the end of Nightmare and Alemstriche, you know, which notoriously ends with for absolute, you know, reason Freddy comes back and then you have seven other movies afterwards dealing with Freddy over and over again, you could never be killed, you know, that's the Nightmare and Alemstriche thing,

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[DEREK]: And a moment at the end that makes you question whether everything's gone to go to her not, you know.

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[DEREK]: I agree.

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[DEREK]: Love that idea.

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[DEREK]: To me, it does seem pretty definitive that one of the maximum is still a zombie and it's just taken the power and taken Kamala's power and has given Kamala what she wants to see in her mind and that's it, you know.

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[DEREK]: But will she be able to get out of it?

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[DEREK]: Will we guess a future story for these characters?

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[DEREK]: I'd love to see us.

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[JOHN]: I guess in the multiverse of Marvel now, you could just have a different Marvel zombies tale.

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[JOHN]: Potentially, yeah.

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[JOHN]: Which I think it would equally be good, because I think you're right.

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[JOHN]: I mean, even though, yes, I'd love to see one that kind of get beaten.

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[JOHN]: I think...

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[JOHN]: you write it's it's it's a great horror movie yeah and rather than just running the next year age seasons with wonder as the bad guy yeah just doing you on you could do that yeah you could do that um what I what I always love about the way the marvel zombies stories work is that they

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[DEREK]: have shown you everybody on screen they've shown you loads of characters dying but we know this hundreds of more characters out there that we haven't seen and we may not have seen on screen there's loads more in the marble universe that we haven't seen yet so um entirely possible that they would just be able to bring a group of them together as the next wave of people up against uh wander and maybe beater uh next season so yeah there is options and it's great to see

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[DEREK]: So she maybe did find a way to slow the zombie virus or stop the virus So she may have a cure for the zombie virus, and that's why she's able to be alive here at the end.

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[DEREK]: There's some hope That's what happened Yeah, excellent stuff.

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[DEREK]: Speaking of helpful notes any, I mean notes for you John bet the episode that we have a discussed

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[JOHN]: No, not really.

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[JOHN]: I think just one other final sort of kill sequence where you have Scott Lang using the glass dome over his head as almost a car windshield swarming zombie insects Splashing them on on the front of them.

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[JOHN]: I genuinely was going that's the last base.

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[DEREK]: You probably should be standing there.

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[JOHN]: I do.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, but tough and glass stay back in camera stuff.

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[JOHN]: I hope so.

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[JOHN]: The head.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I hope so because he's he's cracking skills with us and you don't want it to smash and then he's dead, you know I did like that.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I just have one and just because I love the touch and again, they've done lots of great moments of connecting him with stories of other shows and other other movies that we've seen That last moment when we have Kamala sitting at the table with with her friends with Brewery and with Kate

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[DEREK]: in the vision that she's interested in, she's the cute boy across the road.

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[DEREK]: That cute boy across the road is Cameron, who was a very central character in the season, the first season of Miss Marvel's.

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[DEREK]: So I love that she's looking across the road going, who's the cute boy over there, you know, and it turns out to be someone quite important to her regular story in the MCU.

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[DEREK]: Excellent.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: That was cool.

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[DEREK]: Perfect stuff.

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[DEREK]: So overall, John, do you defend Marvel zombies?

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[JOHN]: I do.

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[JOHN]: I give this episode four and a half siphers out of five.

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[JOHN]: I just thought that the battle sequence was great.

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[DEREK]: It was superb.

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[DEREK]: And I heard to do when you've done a big battle sequence in every episode.

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[DEREK]: But this is really exactly, and it really was throw everything in.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, and it paid off to be honest.

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[JOHN]: I mean, as I say, you could argue it's quite repetitive,

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[JOHN]: in a sense, it ends on a downbeat note, possibly hopeful, who knows, I hope they close it with this sort of ambiguity really here.

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[JOHN]: But I want to come back to the world of Marvel zombies for absolute sure.

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[JOHN]: And I think, it's the battle.

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[JOHN]: It is everyone dies.

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[JOHN]: Everyone is consumed by

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[JOHN]: as there's always the case, and Infinity Hulk is really very, very cool.

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[JOHN]: I love how that sort of ties a nice bow with the Watith series, and with what happened there in Wakanda, and with Thanos.

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[JOHN]: So for me, this really was a lot about the fight.

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[JOHN]: I mean, in some ways, actually, the persuasion of wonder to Kamala, there wasn't

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[JOHN]: I think it was almost like the hopelessness has infected Kamala.

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[JOHN]: She didn't know what else to do.

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[JOHN]: Everyone around her had fallen, because it was effectively.

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[JOHN]: And it was almost like just going with the flow of the war.

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[JOHN]: So running downstream in the river, I think.

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[JOHN]: Now that might be a bit on the phone, Kamala.

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[JOHN]: and maybe rereads sort of hacking of the red magic of this illusion will give her hope because she is seemingly the only one that sees it.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: Yep.

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[JOHN]: But I did.

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[JOHN]: I actually really enjoyed this episode.

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[JOHN]: So for me it'd be four and a half.

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[JOHN]: Siphers out of five.

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[DEREK]: Excellent.

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[DEREK]: And it was only when you were talking there that I just realized that the final moment when Wanda is trying to convince Kamala to go on her side is actually like Agatha, her is trying to convince Wanda to go on her side at the end of Wanda vision.

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[DEREK]: So that might be a little nod to that as well.

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[DEREK]: So yeah, for me, definitely defend the series really enjoyed it.

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[DEREK]: I think I've watched it through about four or five times now because we've had so long since we had the original episodes available to the point that we're recording there.

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[DEREK]: and I've loved it each time, I think, the holds together so well.

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[DEREK]: Love the characters.

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[DEREK]: Huge respect to Zabwells for his writing and to Brian Andrews for his job running the show as well.

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[DEREK]: But Imam Velani, as the central character throughout the season, has been fantastic.

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[DEREK]: I don't know why people don't want to pin all of the MCU owner.

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[DEREK]: Marvel seems to want to, I absolutely want to.

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[DEREK]: I think she's cast so well in this central role and she has such great interactions with other characters, her storylines, great, she's got great powers.

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[DEREK]: She can't be the only one.

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[DEREK]: There's loads of other characters in there to focus on.

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[DEREK]: But I do love her at the center of a story and it's great as our essential character for the story So I've so glad it's centered around Kamala.

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[DEREK]: There were so many other options Especially when it started out when we thought it was gonna be this road trip with the with Her case and reread and then suddenly it turns out to be it's just Kamala.

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[DEREK]: She's the only one that survives all

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[DEREK]: all the way through to the end.

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[DEREK]: So, great seeing so many other characters in there and yeah, really exciting story.

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[DEREK]: I felt like Avengers level in animation.

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[DEREK]: So, I'm really hoping we get more of Marvel zombies in the future.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Great stuff.

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[JOHN]: let us get on to our feedback section.

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[JOHN]: We have an email in from Coffee and vodka who says greetings fellow befuddled defenders.

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[JOHN]: I'll be hunting down and ending explained on YouTube for this one.

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[JOHN]: It looks like the good guys lost and the world's gone almost entirely to the dead, but could use a bit of confirmation.

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[JOHN]: Up to the final battle royale, a few moments of hopeful hopelessness with our point of view Nightlight Kamala brightening the way.

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[JOHN]: Being otherwise 99% running and fighting, there's not much else to say, over than it was fun to see the Hulk smush zombie Thor.

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[JOHN]: As shiny as this is, I'm not getting in line to demand a follow-up season unless it's nice and unambiguous.

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[JOHN]: Four and a half USDA Solcerous Supremes, pasted puny gods, and forever, frenemies out of five.

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[JOHN]: Peace and take care, coffee and vodka.

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[JOHN]: Great stuff, thanks, coffee and vodka.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, thanks, coffee and vodka.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, interesting.

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[DEREK]: There have been so many series of Marvel zombies in the comic books.

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[DEREK]: I think there's been seven different series that they all end with.

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[DEREK]: zombies are still galling.

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[DEREK]: There's none that I can remember that there is no longer zombies in the world.

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[DEREK]: As far as I can remember, maybe the most recent one I've ever been to K, I think, or I think Grooch is the cure at the beginning of the beginning of us.

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[DEREK]: And not at this universe of the animated version of Marvel zombies.

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[DEREK]: But...

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I kind of love this ambiguous ending for this because it feels like a horror movie rather than rather than an animated cartoon show with a big happy ending.

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[DEREK]: So I think that's an unusual choice for them to make so I'm very very happy with it, but I would love to see more of the show whether whether they have an unambiguous ending or an ambiguous ending at the end.

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[DEREK]: I just want to see more of Marfa zombies.

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[DEREK]: Hey, we haven't had Nick Fury's zombie yet.

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[DEREK]: Where's he gone?

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[DEREK]: He was well-heated from eating on day one.

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[DEREK]: Unfortunately.

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[DEREK]: Tasty.

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[DEREK]: Excellent stuff.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, Gaffy Vodka.

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[JOHN]: Thanks, Gaffy Vodka.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, over in Facebook, Heather Wallace says the zombie episode of What If was one of my favorites, but now I can't rewatch it because this is how it ends.

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[DEREK]: the world isn't saved and everyone dies, seeing everyone being torn apart was awful.

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[DEREK]: And I have questions, Bruce was last seen alive in this universe taking on one de zombies so Peter's challa and Scott could get away, how did he get to a condo to absorb the infinity energy energy?

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[DEREK]: And one done a horrid got zapped into the infinity ultron battle on an unpopulated plow.

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[DEREK]: So how's she here five years later?

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[DEREK]: Now it's sad and confused.

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[DEREK]: My final thoughts on the series are the voice cast was amazing and I loved the unexpected team ups, but I found it so bleak, and that's not what I come to Marvel stories for.

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[DEREK]: It could be compared to the ending of Infinity War, but with no confirmation of a sequel.

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[DEREK]: And Heather returned afterwards and said, oh I just thought of the answer for her to hope get to what, Wakanda, the sorcerers must have opened up a slingering portal, and apparently Zambi Wanda was locked up by evil doctor strange, released by Captain Carter and Kehori,

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[DEREK]: and then they would have been able to return to the world, the others had set them free, I kind of forgot about that, I'm just saying.

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[DEREK]: Excellent Heather, I'm so glad you answered those questions because I would have had to be searching through what if the answers there were two more seasons after that first episode, so delighted that you're able to find the answers for that.

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[DEREK]: You're probably right, yeah, I think they say that they needed to get the Hulk so that the ones that took them out, it was Rintra that was telling that story of how they got Bruce Banner back, wasn't it?

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[DEREK]: Yeah, because you do hear that great line of one thing I've learned when you're in camera tages, if a minute or speaks, you listen, which I really enjoyed.

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[DEREK]: So, yeah, most of it then that's safe, that's safe for you to bring it back.

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[DEREK]: So, at least the questions are solved.

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[DEREK]: And I think you're right in general with the Marvel Universe.

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[DEREK]: I don't go to it for dystopian features.

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[DEREK]: There's loads of those out there, and all the other stuff that we cover.

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[DEREK]: But I do like his on occasion.

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[DEREK]: So going to Marvel zombies for a little bit of dystopia when there's lots of other stuff out there as well.

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[DEREK]: It's lots of heroic set there in the other movies.

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[DEREK]: We have fantastic for coming out on Disney Plus next week.

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[DEREK]: If you haven't seen it, watch that.

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[DEREK]: That will show you back up as well.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: I mean, I think you're right.

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[JOHN]: It is very sort of even just the end with the snarling red queen, the zombifiers red queen.

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[JOHN]: I guess the only bit of hope that we can latch on to

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[JOHN]: But who knows?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, literally who knows.

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[JOHN]: Yep.

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[JOHN]: But I hope then did that and then move on to a more sort of maybe a musical Marvel song piece.

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[DEREK]: I knew you're going to say musical Marvel song, but it was a reason.

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[DEREK]: I thought, you know, it was a good way to keep it light, for example.

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[DEREK]: For a moment of thought, you were just going to say a musical Marvel animated show, but no, a musical Marvel song piece makes it much more fun.

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[JOHN]: It could be interesting, however, let's push first.

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[DEREK]: That's slightly.

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[DEREK]: Thanks so much.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, thanks Heather, and thanks for answering those questions, because yeah, it's good to have, you know, you forget how intertwined Sometimes the MC you can get, and certainly when they stop bringing it over into animation.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: That's why I kind of think, leave this where it is, and then have another stand alone.

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[JOHN]: Look, look, that's her opinion, I guess.

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[DEREK]: Yep.

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[DEREK]: When you get to juice, you can be in Marvel's envies.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Throwing her zombie squirrels around.

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[JOHN]: Brains from the squirrel girl maybe excellent stuff and also on Facebook.

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[JOHN]: Harvey Locke says this ended up being way better than I expected I think it would be great if in vision quest vision tries to bring wonder back and gets this wonder into secret walls Oh, well there this would be awesome

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[JOHN]: I do like that you, uh, your short hand for, uh, vision is Viz Harvey.

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[JOHN]: Because then we could call him hi Viz.

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[DEREK]: Hi Viz.

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[DEREK]: That's what I wanted to say when she's with them, she always called him Viz.

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[DEREK]: So hi Viz.

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[DEREK]: Hi Viz.

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[DEREK]: What a cool idea, especially because we're going to have crossing over of characters from different different universes like the Fantastic Four who we're going to get in Doomsday in the next and a couple of years next year, I think of this, so if next year we have a moment where vision tries to find his Wanda and ends off bringing in Zambi Wanda, which brings her into

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[JOHN]: That would make me really invest into VisionQuest.

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[JOHN]: There you go.

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[JOHN]: Thank you.

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[JOHN]: Is that the moment I just think it's going to be a bunch of robots?

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[DEREK]: Well, I guarantee that all of us will remember the day that you put on the zombie makeup for a VisionQuest, so she will absolutely remember her participation in that.

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[DEREK]: Yes, definitely.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, Harvey.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Thanks, Harvey.

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[DEREK]: At poll, Tenshi Lee, since in his thoughts, firstly, he says, oof, secondly, he says, where he might come from, upset three, if one to kept all their Paris wine, hasn't she just heals yourself, remove the virus from her system.

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[DEREK]: It's like the virus activated the part of her that drew her to the darkhold in other realities.

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[DEREK]: And so she's just doing a version of the heist of M. Still haven't read those comics, so people would more knowledge than that can compare and contrast.

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[DEREK]: Next, I don't understand how Infinity Hulk slash Cyford works, doesn't have all the stones together given the equivalent of a fully operational infinity gaultness.

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[DEREK]: Again, if this comics lore in this, I would love to hear about it.

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[DEREK]: Next, the entire series is about unexpected teem-ups, which is a nice call back to its origins and what if, per my thoughts, so at one, how many of these are trial balloons for future shows slash movies.

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[DEREK]: And finally, the last grim version of a season 2 would have re-read plus Friday, Boston Kamala, out of erosion, and maybe connect up with Spidey and Atman.

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[DEREK]: Not sure how they'd win, but if they could get through to Icarus, maybe as I hope.

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[DEREK]: Maybe there's some hope.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, great stuff.

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[JOHN]: Thanks Paul.

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[JOHN]: I have for the thoughts.

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[JOHN]: I'm guessing Infinity Hulk, Cypher just works like a bottle, he's captured it all, but he's, it is tough and skin, all that is the only thing that can contain.

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[JOHN]: I mean, you do see it kind of getting ripped and it's starting to burst out, but ultimately it's just a container really for this energy.

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[DEREK]: So he is the infinity artist, basically.

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[DEREK]: I wonder if it's that the

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[DEREK]: kind of messed because of going into the core of Wakanda, actually holding the stones, he's just trapping the energy.

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[JOHN]: I think that's it.

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[JOHN]: I think that's not up to.

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[JOHN]: T'chala was destroying the stones, what in doing so and certainly maybe

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[JOHN]: with it being done through vibranium, it was a huge energy release.

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[JOHN]: And that's what's being contained.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, and it is, it's one that that's trying to get the energy and she can channel it because of her Paris where it's hope doesn't have Paris to channel.

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[JOHN]: I do like the fact that, um,

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[JOHN]: You know, ten of phrase is the equivalent of a fully operational infinity gauntlet.

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[JOHN]: It feels like you've just wheeled around in the death story.

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[JOHN]: But I think for sure, I'm not entirely...

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[JOHN]: Clear as to whether there's any law on this and I think on the house of M. I think you're right It you know again that's part of her powers is to create these solutions although the reality is so that that's what she's doing here It's absolutely that yeah, but it's it's not her being Cured I guess

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[DEREK]: Oh, healed.

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[DEREK]: Well, exactly the story of House of M is that she's lost her mind and her powers recreate reality.

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[DEREK]: Even she doesn't know that she's done it for a while.

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[DEREK]: You know, that's the whole thing.

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[DEREK]: The entire universe is now the House of M, basically.

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[DEREK]: So yeah, it's an excellent story.

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[DEREK]: Go read it.

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[DEREK]: If you haven't had a chance, I'm not able to go point by point through what the connection is.

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[JOHN]: But it's so red.

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[JOHN]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: But it is one of those stories that

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[DEREK]: It deserves its reputation as a great Marvel story, so yeah, highly recommend going and reading it, but the point of it is yes, it is drawing from that concept She is able to recreate realities the idea that Kamala could possibly be in a world that looks like the old world and everything has been restored

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[DEREK]: That's what House of M feels like to everybody that's in us.

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[DEREK]: They think it's been, it is the world that has been created around them.

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[DEREK]: They remember their past as if they've always lived in this world and have, and continue their lives, whatever way she sets in, because she's so powerful.

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[DEREK]: So it's very cool.

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[JOHN]: good stuff.

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[JOHN]: Thanks Paul, and thanks everyone for your feedback really great to get your thoughts in on Marvel Zombies.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, and thanks so much for joining us for Marvel Zombies on TV podcast industries, really enjoying chatting Marvel again.

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[DEREK]: It's going to be a while before we get to talk about Marvel again, because they've just moved out one demand, and moved into January 2020, six, right at the end of January.

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[DEREK]: I'm initially slightly for a Christmas time this year, but not coming out.

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[DEREK]: I think 26 January for the first episode.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Okay, excellent.

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[DEREK]: But hopefully a weekly series, finally, from Marvel, it's been really, really, how we got a weekly series.

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[DEREK]: I hope given that, how short their runs are, how big the gaps are getting between these shows and movies.

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[DEREK]: I hope they do 8 episodes over 8 weeks.

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[DEREK]: That would be nice, wouldn't it?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Well, it almost seems a bit like just throwing stuff out and that's it.

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[JOHN]: It's almost like, counting it in a sense, rather than enjoying it across many

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[JOHN]: weeks.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, and I just hate that model.

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[DEREK]: Netflix have been doing that since they started and even they decided that's the wrong model for them.

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[DEREK]: Every big show they have now releases three episodes and then goes in a break for months and then three episodes and then goes in a break for months.

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[DEREK]: So they're all doing different versions of the right way to release it.

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[DEREK]: Weekly so we can all chat a bit.

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[DEREK]: exactly.

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[DEREK]: But with that said, thank you so much for joining us.

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[DEREK]: We know we were a bit late coming on for Marvel zombies a bit of on for but at least we got it in around Halloween time.

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[JOHN]: Yes, it makes sense for it to be Halloween.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, thank you so much fellow defenders for joining us for our Marvel zombies podcast.

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[JOHN]: Until we meet again, keep watching, keep listening and of course keep defending.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye!

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[JOHN]: Bye!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ahhhh, friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you knowledge?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye!

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[DEREK]: these post credits are usually just eight takes from the podcast post and well John said we'd be back to talk about Marvel zombies when health froze over or they did a Marvel zombie's musical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which one happened so for the week yet.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, well the artificial Marvel account did there is what the is that the production where they use the action figures to do kind of a comedy skit was a comedy skit for Halloween was Marvel zombies the musical based on Rogers the musical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could eat this all day.

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[DEREK]: Honestly, it's quite fine.

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[JOHN]: It was excellent.

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[JOHN]: I must be careful and that might be because I brains, brains, brains, something like that.

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[JOHN]: So you're going to put me in in in the little three minute, with musical adventure into the world of Marvel zombies.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, no, I thought it was really good.

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[JOHN]: It was a nice little drop actually in Halloween, funny and kind of nicely done.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, love the little idea of having the portals delivering new food to the zombies on stage.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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[DEREK]: Oh, we've also had Marvel zombies, the video game as well, basically.

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[JOHN]: That is true.

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[DEREK]: As far as for a while, Marvel rivals on pretty much all platforms, the free game had a Marvel zombies update where you could fight against zombie no more and loads loads of other zombies plus obviously the final battle that is against.

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[JOHN]: the queen of the dead herself, so we're not sure, so all goods all very zombie concentrated, perhaps the moon is around Halloween.

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[DEREK]: It just feels like that's the biggest tie-ins we've had for any of the shows that we've had, that's a mad, anyway.

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[JOHN]: I think we must be building up trips after well off by night.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, maybe that's it, maybe that's it.

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[JOHN]: So yeah, really good and yeah,

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[JOHN]: It's worth a check on on YouTube, it's a good little riff on Rodgers, the Musical, for sure.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, that's it.

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[DEREK]: We're done with Marvel Zombies for this season.

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[JOHN]: Good, bye.

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[JOHN]: Bye.

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[JOHN]: Brains.

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[JOHN]: Derek, shall we crack on to our spoiler-filled discussion of episode four of Marvel Zombies?

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: No, not Zev Wells and Brian Adams.

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[DEREK]: It is Brian Andrews and Zev Wells because Brian Adams is still stuck in the summer of 69 I think it would be great if in a vision quest viz tries to bring one to back No, sorry just vision quest is the TV show division at the center of it, so So yeah, I did