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Wonder Man Episode 1 "Matinee" Details
Executive Producers are Kevin Feige, Stephen Broussard, Jonathan Schwartz, Louis D’Esposito, Brad Winderbaum, Destin Daniel Cretton, Andrew Guest
Wonder Man first appearance Avengers issue 8 by Don Heck and Jack Kirby
Created for Television by Destin Daniel Cretton, Andrew Guest
Directed by Andrew Guest
Written by Destin Daniel Cretton
Episode Synopsis:
In present day Los Angeles, actor Simon Williams just can't help but mess up his opportunities.
Recently fired from a cameo role on American Horror Story for overthinking the bit part, but in a chance meeting with Trevor Slattery, actor and former Terrorist mouthpiece, he finds a kindred spirit.
Trevor is auditioning for a role in the reboot of Simon's favourite character Wonder Man. He feels the role is his destiny and with Trevor's help to trust the words and not overthink it, Simon delivers an excellent audition for the lead role.
Trevor brings Simon for a drink to celebrate this small win but after he leaves, the former Terrorist gets a phone call asking if Simon suspects anything, he's very dangerous and needs to be brought in.
Wonder Man Episode 1 Cast
- Yahya Abdul-Mateen II as Simon Williams
- Ben Kingsley as Trevor Slattery
- X Mayo as Janelle
- Olivia Thirlby as Vivian
- Zlatko Buric as Von Kovak
Wonder Man Pub Quiz
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Date recorded: 15/01/2025
Date published: 28/01/2025
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00:00 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_02]: This is Defender's podcast on TV podcast industries we're back in the MCU with Marvel's Wonderman episode one.
00:08 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Linda Cox.
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, really nice to meet you.
00:11 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big fan.
00:12 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you.
00:13 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Level the thoughts that you're bringing.
00:14 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
00:14 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This role.
00:16 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
00:18 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The showrunner just called.
00:19 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And he is a rethinking this episode.
00:21 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's worried about Professor Harpen scenes being a remnant of an earlier version of Ashley's arc.
00:27 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's cutting your character from the show.
00:33 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for all your hard work today.
00:39 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a series wrap on Simon Williams.
01:09 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back fellow defenders to TV podcast industries our first episode of Marvel's Wonder Man is a base to be released.
01:17 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you go watch all the episodes over on Disney Plus are you joining us at one episode at a time?
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I am one of your host Derek.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello there, Loves.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And fellow defenders, of course.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm one of your other host Jill.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And I am the wonderful Chris.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm christening myself though.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, thank you.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful Chris.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we can give you a wonderful Chris.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wonderful Chris.
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful Chris.
01:42 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yummy.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Much better, much better.
01:45 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, we are back in the world of the MCU.
01:48 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: For a very interesting and very different show from Marvel.
01:52 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a show based in the movie making world of the MCU.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What an interesting idea.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
02:00 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Just really, really intriguing.
02:03 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And this to me, I think, after watching, you know, this episode and the second one, it's just got a real nice Wonder Vision vibe as to how just something really kind of...
02:17 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, whether it's fresh for the MCU, for Marvel, whether it's fresh for the character, of course, is the first time we've seen one demand, you know, so intrigued as to how this would play out, how this would happen.
02:29 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And it absolutely reminds me once again, as Shon, she did, and the same with the Marvel one shot and just how much
02:38 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I really do enjoy Trevor Slattery's act.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
02:43 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Something really, really different in the MCU.
02:48 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really, really enjoy seeing Ben Kingsley reprising his role over this series with Yaha Abdul-Matin, the second who, again, another great actor that we have covered previously with our Watchman podcast.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
03:08 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No use in Aquaman as well, but he did such a brilliant job in the Watchman, but seeing this just these two actors really go ahead to head to head here in the Marvel Universe.
03:18 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
03:19 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Just that in itself should have been able to sell the show to everybody.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris, what do you think?
03:22 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, just a kind of a starving point for a young Wonder Man.
03:26 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Chuck.
03:28 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Chuck.
03:28 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
03:29 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, absolutely.
03:30 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I did not expect this too.
03:32 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_05]: A.
03:33 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_05]: B.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_05]: The type of property it is.
03:37 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I honestly did think it was going to be something completely different and having could the first like the first episode sets it up, and I'm like, oh, this is more I'm going to call it that like this is a
03:48 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_05]: studio or the studio in the MCU.
03:51 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_05]: It is like behind the scenes in the MCU's Hollywood.
03:55 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_05]: It's that kind of more like you could think of it as like the paper or the other one, the author.
04:05 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_05]: That we've never seen that style of property.
04:08 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_05]: in the MCU before and it for good and bad it reminds me of She-Hulk, which is a style never seen before and I think I'm very interested to see what are fellow defenders and the rest of the general public take from this because
04:27 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_05]: when going into the director, Descent Daniel, threatened, like, I just know him from Shang-Chi, and I'm the upcoming Spider-Man, and I'm like, that's completely different.
04:40 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is different in all aspects of, and.
04:44 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not complaining.
04:45 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So, take from that what you will as we get into our discussion.
04:49 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll talk a little bit more about where a Justin Downcracken comes from as well.
04:54 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the most interesting things you pointed out there, I remember last summer when the studio was being released, there was a loss of bubbling from Marvel Studios going, oh my god, they've done the thing that we're doing in the MCU.
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this show film is quite a long time ago and there's only being released now, it's been delayed a few times.
05:11 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: As you can probably tell already from this first episode not a huge amount of connections into the MCU, so kind of a show that could be released at any point with any major issue, but they just had a lot of shows in the backlog, so they waited on this one, and I don't know the reaction internally when the studio came out and got all of the plot that's what I was hanging on.
05:27 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Second, they would have loved RMCU show if we just released it before the studio came out.
05:31 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully they're going to get a bit of a bump from the people that enjoyed the studio on Apple TV, or they'll hit the right audience with this show, because there is something really interesting
05:40 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: the idea of some real-life, super-powered people in a world that is also making superhero movies and really love that idea.
05:49 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And you said as a way to, if they position this as a Marvel spot life, so this is similar to the where we're by night property, those kind of almost one shots in that they're part of the MCU, but you don't need to know anything before or after, where I would
06:10 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Tangentally connected because of java slabs being connected to the like being character in other properties Where were we by night didn't have anyone?
06:21 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, but it's still Seemingly very self-contained
06:26 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and nobody from where will find it as ever come back after that was filmed as well, so which is quite interesting.
06:32 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what happens with the Wonderland Caraters after the show finishes.
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07:14 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_03]: on stuff, looking forward to getting into our spoiler-filled discussion of this first episode of Wonder Man, eh, Derek?
07:24 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_03]: What are some of the episode details?
07:27 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the executive juices for this show are Kevin Feige's Stephen Brookstar Jonathan Schwartz, Louis Desposito Brad Winderbam, Dustin Daniel Cretan and Andrew Guest, and Wonder Man's first appearance was in Avengers issue 8 by Dan Hick and Jack Kirby's
07:40 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: creators of the character, and the show was created for television by Destined Daniel Cretten and Andrew Guest.
07:46 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Guest, the writer of this episode, he was a writer on Community and Brooklyn Nine Nine, so it comes with a bit more comedic background into the MCU, which is quite cool.
07:54 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The director of this episode is of course Destined Daniel Cretten, who directed the wonderful Shang-Chi in the Legend of the Ten Rings.
08:01 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He also directed Just Mercy with Michael B. Jordan,
08:06 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where he got his connection to the MCU because of course Michael B. Jordan and Breelerson have massive roles within the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and the Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys and Marleys
08:23 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
08:24 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_03]: In present day Los Angeles, actor Simon Williams just can't help but mess up his opportunities.
08:30 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Recently fired from a cameo role on American horror story for overthinking the bitpots, but in a chance meeting with Trevor Slattery actor and former terrorist mouthpiece, he finds a kindred spirit.
08:43 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Traveh is auditioning for a role in the reboot of Simon's favourite character, Wonderman.
08:49 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_03]: He feels the role is his destiny, and with Traveh's help to trust the words, and not overthink it, Simon delivers an excellent audition for the lead role.
08:59 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Traveh brings Simon for a drink to celebrate this small win, but after he leaves, the former terrorist gets a phone call asking if Simon suspects anything,
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: a nice little cliffhanger for that first episode of that.
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really was.
09:19 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really surprised I was going, oh hang on a second, what's this about?
09:21 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's all the rest of the episode felt like it was an interesting story in the MCU and an interesting story in the universe of where they're making movies about superheroes.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the end of it, suddenly there's this phone call going.
09:32 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: you need to bring him in.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's dangerous.
09:34 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's interesting as well because there are some really good comedic touches here.
09:39 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Primarily channeled through Trevor Slattery with equally sort of situational comedy from Simon Williams, one-demand himself in that sense.
09:50 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And so you can see that coming through from Andrew Guest here, after all.
09:56 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think just some of the touches are really
09:59 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Really nice how it brings it because it's also just yeah, I think it just built the situational side of things that it just builds Really and so yeah, I did like a lot of these moments here.
10:12 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely And with that let's get into our top three takes as it is an acting show for this episode Go on set take one action
10:24 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You like very, very cool, well done.
10:27 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
10:28 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So our first take, first big scene for the episode, I think we're to start out with fired from America's horror story, man.
10:35 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely love this, this tells you everything you need to know about this character of Simon Williams, and it'll work after.
10:42 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: In Hollywood, getting his chance to appear on American Horror Story,
10:46 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he completely overthinks this two minutes of screen time that he's going to have and gets fired from the show.
10:53 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is such an interesting way of introducing this character to the show.
10:58 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I like it because it gives you everything you know like he gets in he has this tiny part and then it's like what's my motivation?
11:08 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_05]: It's my method.
11:09 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I needed this dissect of the character and I wouldn't think he would do this and you're like like you slowly see more and more of the the stuff around him just a piece and you know yeah it's five blah blah blah
11:23 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_05]: and then as it gets further and further like it's too much.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think we all know someone like that in our life.
11:32 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So I and I was on this camera is looking at me.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought you were quite a good makers.
11:37 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
11:37 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably me.
11:38 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_05]: But we're all bleeding.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing this by the way.
11:41 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
11:41 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We're all bleeding each other.
11:42 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
11:43 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just looking at this skull in my hand.
11:47 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not.
11:48 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_05]: It's fun.
11:50 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I'd like this because it does set up the character of Simon Williams just giving you who that is and what is I want to say motivations because you can get his motivation from this like
12:04 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_05]: He likes, he wants to, as he says, kind of, he wants to understand and imbue the character.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
12:11 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think through the episode you get the impression that he is someone, I'm very similar to this myself.
12:15 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone that watches all the behind the scene, the documentaries, watches all the commentaries and every movie that he loves, reads all the books about everything, and he's learned through all of the things that he's learned that the best way to do it is to do the work, do the process, and then you'll be the greatest actor of all time, and that's
12:31 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: A two minute scene that he has on screen and like I love the kind of layering of us what he's Giving the notes back to the director.
12:38 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They all seem really reasonable.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You know if he just made one of the notes It would seem really reasonable.
12:43 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I shouldn't call her by her first name because we have a problem Oh, that's really cool.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Go with that.
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But when he says a second one
12:49 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: and then a third one and then a fourth one and then the book, the spider in the book, that is that I should be showing to the camera, should be this book specifically because they weren't talking about those particular type of creatures in the book that I was on the desk and you suddenly go, oh hang on a second for a day player to come in who has two minutes of screen time and basically get them to reset the entire set for his performance.
13:11 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's not going to work, but I mean, that's it, the reveals just so good because
13:20 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's a day player, but you don't quite know how big this role is.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, the notes seem perfectly all right.
13:27 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they start to get a bit picky.
13:30 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it gets revealed even further than it really is.
13:35 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_03]: he's completely overthinking the scene that he's in, which is less than one minute as say.
13:41 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And you just then start to realize, you know, this is, it's a frustrated actor and it's an overthinker, but it's a frustrated actor is this why he's trying to go all methods and think of backstory just for literally this bit past.
13:55 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And you kind of then start to feel for the director.
13:59 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, with all these questions at each point as they move through the very short scene that they have and it's kind of like, is there a problem?
14:10 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, I love how it just sort of plays out.
14:14 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It is just
14:17 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It made me chuckle and made me immediately just feel it ease with the show in that it just felt so good.
14:27 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
14:27 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's conscious of the self-importance that people like Sabine Williams may have for themselves in this world.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two of the things I love about the scene.
14:36 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, the lighting guy who says, don't worry, we can raise that whole thing.
14:39 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The director had made a decision as to where she wanted the character's body, so it will be Involved by Moonlight, and he goes, don't worry at times, it's two seconds to fix it up the way Simon wants to fix it up.
14:51 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: She thought she'd have some support from her crew, and then secondly, I absolutely love the out-course, where effectively the assistant director comes in to tell him, and well, Ryan thinks that we may have this might be a remnant from a previous version of the screenplay, and thanks very much for coming in.
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a series wrap!
15:10 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Simon Williams and they're saying one line of dialogue and everybody gives him as applause as if he's been there for months.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely love that.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great way to close it out of it.
15:19 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
15:20 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, it totally blows his chance in this moment as he's cut from the show.
15:27 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just, it's tragically funny.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
15:33 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I think just kind of closing out this point for me is the how much it felt like any of those kind of workplace situational comedies that are so again I bring it back to the office with the paper any of those which are
15:49 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_05]: almost documentary like documentary like or what we do in the shadows but well more that probably too far but it's that kind of like hey they're they're trying to all play it serious and John bringing in what you said which is there's just some unintentional what unintended comedic moments just going on just like like you brought up the moonlight part I was like
16:17 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they're going to do it like and he said that the crew was moving things around and then the head there's a piece of the wasc creature She would have turned into the lady and it's just there in the back and you're like, oh god, we'll see that
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It is like, it's so good.
16:35 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like, you know, we need to book, I'll check with the Ryzer, you know, as well.
16:41 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just all this kind of stuff, but I mean, it then gets kind of compounded with, he gets home and his girlfriend is also then basically moving out of the apartment that this year.
16:51 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
16:52 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was as she says, it's too late to start crying about this, really.
16:56 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, even sort of his personal life is not gone so well, but this is what she's even saying to him.
17:04 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's saying to her, um, didn't we just talk about getting a dog last week and you thought I was afraid of commitment?
17:09 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And here she is walking out and leaving because she thought he was going to be eight for eight hours and didn't want to have a conference.
17:15 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, she's played by Olivia Throwby as girlfriend Vivian, who we know from from why the last man she was one of the major characters over there.
17:26 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_03]: but this is the first inkling as well with all this kind of in a sense tragedy, failure, frustration, whatever it is, you know, in his life, whether it's personal, professional and, you know, you have this mini earthquake happening, are on the apartment complex as Simon Fumes effectively.
17:53 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just this little hint of something here with Simon and it's just, it's just nicely done, it's just kind of almost the reaction of all this bad news that's happened.
18:06 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, and it's also LA, which has, which has microethcrix all the time by the sense of the, which I love that little touch.
18:14 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else on the American horror story or the opening segments there before we move on to our second take?
18:23 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's me, Vaughn.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Take two.
18:27 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Action.
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's move on.
18:30 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, I thought you were giving me direction.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have got a two hander of a show.
18:38 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So for our take number two, we have the arrival of Trevor Slashery.
18:42 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Always a great presence.
18:44 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you mentioned a number of his appearances earlier on their job that he said that he's had throughout the show.
18:50 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So Ben Kingsley returning as the wonderful Trevor Slashery.
18:55 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, post his time in Shang-Chi, we were rewatching Shang-Chi a couple of weeks ago and realized that the last time we saw Trevor Slattery, he was in the closing age of that movie, but we never saw what happened to him.
19:09 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still with his pretending to be dead and then have to fight.
19:16 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He was, but he does appear in the end of that, whether they're sending it all the ships and all the land
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the last time we saw them.
19:26 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So we thought we were still in that mythical village of Tehrlo where we last saw at the end of Shang-Chi, but here he is, in Hollywood, in a movie theater, in the daytime, watching Midnight's K-Boy.
19:39 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:39 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really love this introduction of these two characters.
19:43 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I know they're little insight into Simon Williams instantly even during the commercials.
19:49 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Before the movie started, he hears somebody talking on their phone and he can't help himself get up and tell the guy to shut the hell up because he's watching this movie from the 70s, which he's probably seen about 40 or 50 times.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But nobody talks in the cinema when Simon Williams is in the cinema.
20:04 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm right.
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I am 100% right.
20:07 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I get so annoyed by people who talk in the cinema Like it's just a thing and I unfortunately have a friend not in this podcast room.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, who does that?
20:17 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_05]: He'll like lean over and talk to me.
20:18 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm I'm sorry
20:19 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I told him multiple times, but he's just a it's his thing.
20:24 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will I will agree with you But if the trailers are on beforehand, that's okay.
20:29 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're you're good or if they Oh, no, if it's wrong, no problem.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly where to ever get to.
20:35 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of goes out We'll never talk through a movie.
20:37 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's uh, he understands the excitement as well
20:42 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But they do watch the movie all the way through to the end, the last two people in the cinema.
20:46 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they kind of connect with each other so I have a conversation.
20:50 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first time we hear about the possible remake that's coming up of Wonderman, which is some Williams favorite movie from when he was a kid.
21:02 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a possibility of a pirate, right?
21:05 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I really like how, you know,
21:09 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_03]: just with everything that's gone on before that you have Simon here coming to his safe space, which is the movie theatre.
21:16 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
21:16 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know this by chance bumping into Trevor Slastery.
21:23 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And so that I really like, I do like how, um,
21:28 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_03]: this show is Easter egging and dropping hints at Ben Kingsley's work as well across his lifetime.
21:40 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not just that they've bond over
21:44 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Midnight Cowboy and so on, but then as you have Simon sort of realizing its trevises were you in that On the bus addition of the need for Nightmare by with Ed Gallon Poe, which indeed Banking's Lee Walsh with David Price in 1974.
22:03 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So I really like that they bring in that element in here and there's a few of these moments were
22:09 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon Williams talks about a show that Trevor Slastery is being in and he ends off being in this case on the bus season 8 episode 9 from 1774 with obviously the master of horror David Price or at least thriller as well as then Ben Kingsley in his absolutely days.
22:33 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that on that
22:38 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like the fact that Wonder Man as well is being done by he says an Oscar-winning director going off-peast and it kind of not that he directed it but it kind of reminds me a bit of the Verna Hurt's hug.
22:55 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
22:56 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_03]: What was it in one shot with Tom Cruise?
22:59 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of I wouldn't have expected him to crop up the A because he's a director Yeah, B.
23:04 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of that Tom Cruise movie.
23:06 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and he was also in the Mandalorian We have David Kronenberg who's mentioned here David Kronenberg recently appeared in Star Trek Discovery Which is always really weird.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like hang on a second.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the did the fuck
23:17 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: why is he appearing in here because they're able to do whatever they want to do now and in the show here they're represented by the character Vaughn Kovak who is a director who's he wants to make the last grace superhero movie wants to do something completely different with the genre and then references you know Kronenberg's the fly being being a completely different from the genre completely re-invention of that sci-fi genre and he wants to do something like that with the superhero movie genre
23:46 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I took it as being a Spielberg Nolan-esque, but just making it a bit older, which is like, I have this vision.
23:56 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I have made greatest movies of all time, and I will make one more and this time in the superhero genre.
24:04 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe I think it's just because he feels like that indie director who's loved by everybody for his indie movies who wants to do something completely different in the Hollywood system and destroy it all because why would anybody want to watch another superhero movie after he's made this amazing superhero movie.
24:21 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course they do have one in the MCU as well,
24:27 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The original Hulk movie, right?
24:28 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So which is well-known for the fact that it is very experimental.
24:33 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Not well-known for being a very good film.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, Bosch.
24:39 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It was okay.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It was okay.
24:43 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the Eric Banner one that I'm talking about.
24:45 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:46 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:46 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:47 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it wasn't actually M.C.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, correct myself there.
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That was ever a Marvel movie before the M.C.
24:53 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: you.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the incredible that became an M.C.
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: movie.
24:56 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the fantastic four and the rise of the silver shirt for a fantastic four.
25:00 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_05]: They work okay for their time.
25:02 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they weren't Chris.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't.
25:05 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's nostalgic.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give that.
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_05]: It did.
25:09 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a kick in the ass of the...
25:12 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It was terrible.
25:13 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, we do have this meeting of Trevor and Simon as our second point.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else on that point before we move on, guys?
25:20 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
25:21 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was just kind of circling round back to Vankovak.
25:27 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It was also, yeah, rather than Emmerick and Paul Verhoven, of course, that's the other kind of people that I kind of put into this, sort of with Stargate and 2012, and after Smaro, with rather than Emmerick, but also then, just Paul Verhoven had total recall, had Starship
25:51 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_03]: They had kind of an indie European film.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, prior to all of this.
25:57 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And brought that different sensibility to sort of that American blockbuster.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
26:02 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I always think Starship Troopers is probably the best example of this because people went out to think thinking it was a summer blockbuster went to watch.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like,
26:10 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
26:11 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Aren't we crazy?
26:12 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a we have a war going on with the bugs and then fend it afterwards if they pay attention that's uh no they were the aggressors and that they went to the bugs home planet and murdered the bugs because they're murdering murders who murder and which is the whole point of uh of the the uh movie against the fascist regimes uh absolutely brilliant uh by Paul for our elephant.
26:30 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to watch that again actually.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_05]: You telling me people don't get satiris on them.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't sometimes, it's weird sometimes, they don't.
26:36 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
26:37 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Eh, boss.
26:38 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get on.
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: To our third.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm final point.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotta go one last time.
26:44 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Take three.
26:45 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Action.
26:46 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: as the center of this first episode.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the audition for Wonderman.
26:51 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that after meeting Trevor Slaughter and going this set up, that there is a Wonderman remake going on, which Simon Williams really should know that this is his favorite movie and there's no addition out there.
27:03 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He runs into the office of his Asian to Chanel, asking her why the hell she didn't put him forward for this.
27:09 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's so polite about it, but really you can tell and she's performing this
27:15 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Janelle was brilliant here so I like Simon kind of comes in it was like I was born to play this part type of thing and she's like
27:24 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard you got fired this morning from American Horror Story.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_03]: You couldn't even lie in a pool of blood.
27:31 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was like nice, yeah.
27:35 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, don't you know, so I this interaction was excellent.
27:39 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And even the fact that he, you know, he goes behind a back to to phone up the casting in order to get this kind of like final.
27:51 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_03]: sort of slot in the final day of auditions for this using her contacts, you know, all at the last minute.
27:59 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, this was superb.
28:01 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I was a nice introduction, I think, to his long-suffering agent, Janelle, you know, it was really good.
28:10 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love, like, she's so polite about it, but she says, she's great, she knows, she's got talent.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She has other clients that aren't to pay to the ass, and that's who gets put forward for the best roles, right?
28:20 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so people that can maybe keep a job when they're being fired, that would be really useful for her.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, exactly any, of course he gets the, and, you know, he's doing what he's doing or what you,
28:32 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_03]: could imagine that he was doing in preparation for his professor Harping role on the American Horror Story.
28:40 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We're starting to annotate the scene, in the script that he's been given, hugely overthinking it, getting stressed and again this great little moment with his eyes going, that blue
28:59 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_03]: and so very, very cool, I thought, and I like then that there's this the calming element of this.
29:08 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It is almost, I guess, Trevor Slastery's voice in the audition down the corridor, which again, then immediately sort of flips it into this kind of another comedic moment where he's like,
29:27 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_03]: one of the casting agents at the desk, because he's doing his audition, is like, where did I see him before?
29:35 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_03]: The person next to it, is like, I'm sure he used to be a terrorist.
29:41 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like, absolutely, massive one.
29:46 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when he travels kind of in his element here, but it's just like, it felt like his
29:53 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Darius, it does it tones, his soft scarists, tones coming down the corridor.
29:59 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe just pull Simon back from another little earthquake in a much more sort of public space in this case, you know, so that's kind of interesting.
30:09 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, a little just that they reconnect and that Trevor's trying to help him out with the audition he's saying to him, look, you're just totally overthinking us.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And Simon says, that's my process.
30:19 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And the response from Trevor being, and your process can go below a spider.
30:24 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Great phrase.
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_05]: That's how you keep in PG.
30:28 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he's going to keep PG-13.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
30:33 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_03]: But again, there's a little bit of tension here, and you have Trevor just saying, you know, I'm just trying to support your love, you know, and I do like that they use that.
30:43 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That is a very kind of northern English.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, isn't it?
30:49 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, ending every phrase with Lov.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've dialed them or a mid-air.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a full battle.
30:55 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we were watching them, the TV show for us, yeah.
30:58 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's about seven seasons long and it's just really fun because the guys are really hard guys.
31:02 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all drug dealers and criminals basically, but when they talk to everybody around them, everybody's love, everybody's mid-air.
31:09 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't worry about it, Lov.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's really fun, really fun.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It will touch this.
31:14 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: has been incorporated here by that king's in the in this uh roll that's a strawberry, so I'm very very curious.
31:20 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But I like it, I just really like how he says, you know we've got to get you out of your head uh you know just be in the present go with the script rather than just
31:31 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the backstory of this person?
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And did you notice what actually happened in the audition?
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even notice that the second time I was watching it.
31:39 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Trevor takes a script because Simon walks into the room and goes for his pocket, trying to find a script, and then realizes, oh, I don't have it in a pocket.
31:47 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he blows all the air, he takes the full recommendation from Trevor that he blows all the air, and it goes with the lines, he knows the lines, he can say the lines, basically.
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I would deliver this race at my life.
31:59 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
31:59 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love to know if Trev's technique here, you know, to breathe out and then the frontal lobes that's down and you can go on instinct and be present.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to know if that's the thing.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Does it work?
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess it's relaxing, you know, it's that.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a no deep breath.
32:16 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
32:17 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it does pull you back or you know, like touch points never where you just put your fingers together.
32:23 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's kind of like,
32:25 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, inherently I'm there going, that sounds right, but is it...
32:30 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: affecting the frontal lobe, I guess it might be, but I don't know, but I'm saying it sounds like absolutely BS that things have been telling himself for decades and just maybe hit right beside me.
32:42 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to say either way, but I do believe a lot of mindfulness is potentially BS, but it might work for people.
32:50 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, my get through it, my get your head and the right space, right?
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_05]: quiet in your frontal room.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe.
32:59 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I absolutely love the scene as they kind of get into the audition because again it's you're starting to see the character you're starting to see well beyond that you're starting to see that Simon is how stress affects him and let's say the potential unpredictable.
33:17 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_05]: or lack of control, maybe of his powers, as stress becomes a trigger and stuff, which you would assume being a struggling actor may come more often than not.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
33:32 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you were going to, like, you wonder how that becomes the trigger point, then kind of will evolve throughout the series.
33:39 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if that's part of the reason why Simon is so focused on making sure that everything goes to his plan, because if he loses control of his situation, yeah, something really bad could happen.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Does he go boom?
33:52 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, is it like a walking nuclear explosion and that when he loses control?
33:58 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_05]: like that kind of like when they're basically banning with the whole thing.
34:03 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the trouble it, the thing is I'm always angry.
34:08 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And this is like maybe he's always better to go boom and if he's done not focusing and he loses control, he goes boom too.
34:15 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's that I was sure you were going forward with the trouble as he takes too good.
34:24 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so I just, I, I find the whole thing interesting.
34:27 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
34:27 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_05]: It does make you question up until we get that phone call.
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, Trevor's just a downright nice guy.
34:33 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And you, we've been more and more introduced to the character of Trevor Slattery from the two films and you started to, oh, maybe it is.
34:42 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll just, like, he's a, he's a, he's a good man.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_05]: He's an actor.
34:45 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_05]: He sees a, kindred soul.
34:48 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_05]: in Silent Williams.
34:50 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when you get outside, you hear the Simon is powered and dangerous here.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It peaks your interest further and further.
35:00 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
35:00 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: What a great setup for the rest of the season, yeah.
35:02 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
35:03 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the lines that I absolutely love, they're kind of
35:09 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They're debriefs that they do after the audition when they go to the pub and they go to the bar afterwards and Simon or Trevor are chatting about it and Trevor is saying that you know everybody has their own professor.
35:19 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So John Gilgit had me whip him on the bear our separate night so that was before we knew each other and then it got weird and that's absolutely love that moment because again they would have been friends they would have been in similar circles back in the 70s and 80s.
35:32 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, another kind of element here is, in a sense, bankings the using his experience of those interactions in theatre.
35:44 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think they played Hamlet.
35:47 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Although they were in Hamlet, because
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Kingsley was at the Royal Shakespeare, right?
35:51 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of where he started off.
35:54 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But also in Gandhi, which one of him is Oscar.
35:57 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And John Gilgur was in that film.
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, I kind of like that incorporation.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels...
36:09 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels weird to me it's very unpretentious way of showing, I could be able to use the other way, I get it, but like I kind of like how that's been in corporations, definitely.
36:20 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And there were lots of life and times of surveying Kingsley into, and you know,
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The script effectively.
36:29 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we're not saying that Sorgon gave good heads, bankings, the whip and mama's bear are everything.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a funny story.
36:37 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I never did happen.
36:38 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorgon's things have happened, I guess.
36:40 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
36:41 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else about these moments before we close at the episode and get some notes?
36:48 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_05]: just one which is that we do see as Simon is going in that he has to sign a wave to state that he is not super-powering.
36:59 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the door man.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
37:02 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's, and it like obviously a flat out right, we understand that, but it's interesting to see that in a world where you do have
37:14 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_05]: aliens and as guardians living walking around and with books and you can go to new as guard and all of this of that potentially a super pirate person is bad.
37:30 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_05]: like so interesting to see and again this this is all post shankji this is post no way home this is probably like they're like we are pretty up to date maybe in the the MCU this is kind of happening before all the new stuff that's expected to happen like close enough so you would think super parod people are almost
37:56 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, good post.
37:58 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I found that snap.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's just interesting.
38:00 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_05]: It's an interesting kind of piece and so I'm hoping something more comes from as we can get closer into the rest of the series.
38:07 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or I wonder if this is the MCU's version of AI AI can not be in any movie superheroes can not be in any movies because you're taking performance work away from special effects people and from actual actors maybe it's
38:26 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, let's do it.
38:28 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent, um, one that I wanted to mention just because I think it's actually really important is the last shot that we get in the episode of Simon walking down the, um, Hollywood Walker fame and he walks in front of the man Chinese theater in Hollywood.
38:41 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Quite a big scene took place there in Iron Man 3.
38:44 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where happy discovered, um, the person with the extremists, um, virus inside them.
38:50 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where they exploded.
38:51 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_01]: taking out Habi Hogan and sending him to hospital in Iron Man 3, which was where we first mess the Mandarin, we first mess, Trevor Slattery.
38:59 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure that was on their mind that that's to use this particular spot in Hollywood.
39:07 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: In this first episode of the return of Trevor Slattery, I'm sure it was on their mind.
39:10 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They have to have known that it was going to be a disaster, yeah, exactly.
39:14 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So interesting that it's all been rebuilt and we have got the
39:21 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like the fact we also, we get to see a poster of Rodgers The Musical, which is now a major motion picture, yes.
39:30 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I like how this is sort of permeating through here, and it feels right that it will, you know, that we had the zombie version of it, which is Halloween last year.
39:40 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I like how it feels, again, right that something with Trevor Slastery in has this little,
39:47 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: nod of the crazy a bit like whipping gil good before the performance I also love the progression of it So we had got the stage play we had in Hawkeye we had we actually saw clips out of it Then as you say the action figure version of it was released as Halloween last year And now we have it being turned into a major motion picture as well So it's moved from the stage back to the screen, which is quite a fun idea as well
40:14 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And the last one I just wanted to mention was the episode dedicated to the memory of Juan Spike Asario, who was a light and technician who sadly died on the set of the show when it was being filmed.
40:23 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And a couple of years ago I think it was back in 2024, so as they have dedicated the episode for it to his memory.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
40:32 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_05]: and I have one which is kind of tangentially, so there was in Gardens of Galaxy 2, a deleted scene where we had a poster for the film, starring Simon Williams, Wonderman, who was played by Nathan Filien.
40:52 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we have a poster there, but James Gunne, because James Gunne didn't fill in our friends.
40:59 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So, it's a deleted scene, it's not technically canon, they're made just for you another Simon Williams walking around like there's multiple Chris Chances, but we don't think so, just because it's deleted scene, not in the MCU.
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I know that will come up at some point going, they've done it again, isn't they?
41:17 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Reclass Simon Williams.
41:19 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, did they say that that's he was playing Simon Williams, and that I was just wondering about.
41:23 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, remember, because in this show, Wonder Man is the character in the movie that Simon Williams wants to play.
41:30 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just Simon Williams.
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just Simon Williams.
41:32 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_05]: It was stark with Simon Williams.
41:35 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
41:35 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
41:36 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:38 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, as they always say, if it's not in the final cut of the movie, it's not a true part of the MCU.
41:46 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
41:46 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the way they've gotten away with it.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they think that was quite interesting in that.
41:50 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: seen that we saw from the movie at the beginning of the episode that it looks completely different from the Wonderman character from the comic books.
41:59 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a it's more like John Carter from Mars.
42:02 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This version of Wonderman while the costume that Wonderman wears is very comic book Actress.
42:07 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This is much more like John Carter from Mars as opposed to the the former Avenger Wonderman.
42:13 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's not he's not dealing with Captain America or our manner and we'd like to ask he's
42:16 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's dealing with a race of space being something.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but even Star Trek.
42:21 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Sort of.
42:22 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:23 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
42:24 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I do kind of like, actually, at that start, you know, again, it shows his save space.
42:30 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's with his dad and then it goes into the chaos that is his life.
42:36 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
42:36 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, immediately after.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
42:38 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it for notes for the episode.
42:40 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So for this first episode of Marvel's Wonder Man, Chris, do you defend this episode?
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I do.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I do define this episode.
42:49 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_05]: It's an interesting premise.
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It's an interesting delivery.
42:54 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the characters, a great choice, great.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm really impressed.
43:00 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, it kind of just would just write hint of entry at the end.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So make it go, okay.
43:07 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_05]: But like this was a good 30 minutes.
43:18 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a different or interesting, I don't know, property for the, the MCU and I suppose I'm, I'm down for that.
43:25 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the Marvel zombies that we got in the animated form orizable content, which are just interesting things.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I, I'm apologies that you were like, hmm, okay.
43:35 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_05]: This is even better.
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's just that type of stuff.
43:37 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, I'm down for it.
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_05]: It's getting interesting.
43:40 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's take different take risks in the MCU.
43:44 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_05]: And so yeah, I completely defend this episode.
43:47 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_05]: John, do you defend this episode of Wonderman?
43:51 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I really do, yeah, absolutely defend this episode.
43:53 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Give it a four guild good ass whipping this out of five and I like like yourself.
44:00 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's really good premise and I think the two leads are really really good.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy
44:11 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Janelle, who's kind of the main person outside of those two, you know, in terms of Simon's suffering, agent really like her, and I'm just loving the soft one line as of Trevor Slashry, even though, you know, pepper throughout, yeah, there is that.
44:32 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_03]: There is this recognition that he used to be a murdering terrorist, but he seems very helpful.
44:39 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's a real good whiff of just a very subtle comedy coming through this.
44:45 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it also does have a lot of hearts as well.
44:49 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_03]: which I really like.
44:51 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the whole aspect of Trevor supporting Simon in his moment of kind of stress in the audition and then afterwards with the, you know, the debrief for it's kind of, you know, our work is about
45:08 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_03]: living, you know, and holding up a mirror to you and the environment being that present instinct, all this kind of stuff.
45:17 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just just an air of something really fruitful, really supportive, and I really, really enjoyed it.
45:24 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, as you say, there's moments of, well, the thing with his eyes, really cool, really subtle.
45:31 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And the phone call at the end to Trevor
45:37 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind, yes, he used to be a former terrorist, even if it was just like the face of this, but equally, you know, who's the person on the other end of the line?
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, definitely defend this.
45:48 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's for geol-good ass-wippings out of five, which just sound a bit like field-good ass-wippings out of five.
45:52 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And we aren't talking about he's his rival, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're talking with him, we're
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you defend this first episode of Wonderman?
46:09 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely defend this.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I would think of as the perfect pilot.
46:14 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that I wanted to watch the show until I got to the end of the pilot and went, this is perfect.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This is exactly what I wanted to see.
46:20 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you know what I'm in for.
46:21 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the characters, I love what they did with Simon, I love that it started out with him in the theater as a kid, watching this Wonderman movie, his dad proudly watching on, showing his son this movie,
46:35 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_01]: and him laughing away, and by the end of the episode the lines that he's saying in his audition for the perfect par for him are the exact lines that we heard in that opening sequence that he was watching on screen.
46:45 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What a great way to to put that little underlining of that this is the perfect
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: role for Simon Williams.
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a great little idea that they've got in there.
46:57 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Add in Trevor Slattery, one of my favorite characters that we've seen in the MCU, a great comedy foil.
47:03 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: These two up against each other are going to be great fun to watch over the course of the season.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Add to something really different.
47:08 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We've said all throughout our coverage of all the Marvel TV shows and all the Marvel movies since the start of our face for all the way through to now that they are looking for different audiences and looking for niche audiences to watch different shows, different movies.
47:24 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This is another one of those that's aimed as an audience to like, sub-hine the scene stuff.
47:28 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're one of those people, I think you're going to enjoy the rest of the season.
47:31 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this show stops exactly what it is for you right there by the end of this episode.
47:36 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, thank you're going to enjoy this if you'd like to the first episode.
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt good.
47:41 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.
47:42 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we owe the bit of a drink because it is a Marvel show.
47:45 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We are starting off 2026 and we are going to have our debrief from the audition at the local bar for our pub quiz.
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: John, do you want to give us the first question for our pub quiz?
47:56 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes fellow defenders fellow quizzes fellow lovelies it is episode one of a one-to-man so of course we are straight into question one possibly a little bit of a toffee this one but we know you can handle it fellow quizzes
48:14 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And what book does Simon want to bring into his scene in American horror story?
48:21 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, so another one of the suggestions that he makes on set, the book that he wants to bring in.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the first question.
48:27 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We will have one question for each of the episodes throughout the season of Wonderman.
48:31 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the season send in your answers to all eight questions and you could be in with the chance of getting your hands on some Marvel's Wonderman goodies and send them into feedback at TV podcast.
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: industries at the end of the season.
48:42 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: John, do you want to give that question one more time?
48:44 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
48:44 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_03]: What book does Simon want to bring into his scene in American Horror Story?
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give you one clue.
48:51 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a real book.
48:52 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: which I also love.
48:55 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
48:55 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for joining us for our first chat about Marvel's Wonderland.
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49:47 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
49:48 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Liesings, acting skills, yeah, blind, okay.
49:54 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.
49:55 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_04]: John didn't play him off.
49:56 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_05]: John, John didn't whip me on the ass before me.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a wrap for Chris.
50:02 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a serious wrap for Chris, like you.
50:04 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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50:38 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, thank you so much, and we'll speak to you on a different walk of him.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I thank so much fellow defenders for joining us.
50:46 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So, episode two of Wonder Man, keep watching, keep listening, and of course keep defending.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye, bye, lovelies.
50:53 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.
51:24 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_05]: my assumption we have no way of knowing is that this is our post, say shang chi, this is our post.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that.
51:35 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
51:35 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Good job, everything.