The Boys Season 4 Finale Episode 8

[00:00:00] This is the Boys Podcast on TV Podcast Industries We're back with the finale of The Boys Season 4 Episode 8, Assassination Run Tell me I'm the smartest superhero in the 7 You are, by far, the smartest superhero in the 7 You're brilliant, a genius

[00:00:17] And that you respect me the most besides homelander of course Of course, of course I respect you, you're amazing You're just saying that because you're scared aren't you? No, I'm not, I swear Yeah you are, but you know what bro? That's good enough for me

[00:01:01] Welcome back fellow boys and girls to the finale of The Boys Season 4 We're chatting about Assassination Run on this week's podcast I'm one of your hosts Derek Hello there fellow boys and girls

[00:01:12] Yes we are two fingers deep and I am one of you all of the hosts, John Make that three fingers deep because I am here too I am Chris Welcome back Chris And your deep and booming voice Yes, yes I was away getting a brand new voice transplant

[00:01:32] Or joining Witsek or who knows? I just, yeah no I was away, I was travelling, it was vacationing I was looking after a sick child, I was getting a child into crush It was everything and all in one, the perfect two weeks you may say

[00:01:47] Exactly yes, but away from us And there has been a question that we've been wondering about since he went away About the boys, Chris there's other questions that we also were wondering about But the big question that came up was

[00:02:00] The boys introduced their version of Spider-Man to the boys universe Over the last couple of episodes and you weren't here for us Webweaver Yeah and as the biggest Spider-Man fan we know We want to know what your thoughts about Webweaver

[00:02:12] And I guess his treatment had the hands of both the seven Literally everyone Everyone else yes, including Technite And Huey's version of Webweaver getting a terrible terrible day Would you like to have been in mother milk's position? Oh the multiple explosions let's call it

[00:02:35] It would be definitely, it would be a web-tastic web heading adventure It was fun, it's the boys I love, the costumes cool I will give it credit for it The costume was very cool Smell pretty bad apparently Built in web slingers like didn't need the devices

[00:02:54] Straight out the top of the bomb Yeah, the small of the back Small of the back yeah, top of the bomb Some may call it a tramp stamp We call it a web shooter But yeah, no look it was very cool Costume was cool way better than say

[00:03:13] Z-Gills in Madame Web So very close to it actually Some could say they took liberties Or each their own Huey looked right at it The storyline was fun It Technite being Technite Great Ashley doing Ashley things Interesting And the whoever was playing Technite's Tech Boy sidekick

[00:03:47] I'm still so interested to find out who was in that costume Because I'm pretty sure they're going to turn around And say it was like someone from one of the supernatural Yeah Or like kind of It'd be like Ryan Reynolds Seasoned because it was rad

[00:04:01] Oh maybe, maybe or yeah It could actually be Jared Padalecki We know that Eric Kripke's reached out to him For an appearance in The Boys Maybe that was the appearance He wasn't waiting for season five to appear as a brand new big character

[00:04:15] He was just playing Technite's Tech Boy Did I say it? He didn't look big enough Yeah Yeah Jared Padalecki looks much bigger than that You're right Oh my God That's probably Eric Kripke himself It could be But overall I look I really

[00:04:31] Really have enjoyed these last few episodes I think you guys were on Twitter And then Gio Cocher Basie was talking about the last episode Episode seven I'm basically saying My God, has anyone watched it? I assumed Derek He was probably yourself He replied going Yeah

[00:04:49] Yeah, they're pretty prophetic in this one And it's kind of scarily on point Watching this over the last few weeks I've just been like Oh my God This was written like Let's say Eight to twelve months ago These guys are supernatural Literally Yeah I think I said

[00:05:09] The writers room The show tends to be quite prophetic In where it expects the US to go But last episode was like it was written by the pre-cogs From minority report Because it was specifically predicting Something that was going to happen Within the week Yeah

[00:05:28] There is quite a different poll I guess looking on the episodes When you're looking at them in the context of what's going on In the real world out there But we're not going to talk about that We are going to talk about the boys, of course

[00:05:38] The show itself We will get into spoilers for the finale episode But glad you're all caught up, Chris And glad you enjoyed the version of web We were just laughing about the fact that The first episode with Batman versus Spider-Man On the second episode was effectively Superman

[00:05:50] Versus Spider-Man So and Spider-Man doesn't come out very well Either his battle with Batman Or his battle with Superman Being ripped in half By their version of Superman here as well But I will give it to Amazon They keep giving us their version of Spider-Man

[00:06:08] Because they can't get their own So we've had it in Invincible And we've had it in the boys Exactly Exactly Good stuff Right That's Chris's thoughts on the last couple of episodes We'll get into our thoughts on the finale But before we do

[00:06:21] Let's get into some feedback from our wonderful fellow boys and girls First up, Merle Smith says Something that I've been thinking about is during the Gen V finale Where it was shown that Marie and the others were Locked up possibly in the version of The Woods

[00:06:33] While in the boys it's said in the news that they're on the run And what I think is the Vault spin doctors doing work Exactly the way they do it best They have people looking for them outside while they're actually inside It's a classic misdirection tactic

[00:06:46] If they really had gotten away We would have seen it on screen Yeah, that's true Yeah, the last time we saw them in Gen V All those characters were locked up in an 8-prison Weren't they? So yeah, so could be

[00:06:59] Or something's happened in between season one of Gen V And where that was revealed in the boys And we'll see it at the start of Gen V season two Oh yeah, that could also make sense Because they may make it run concurrent

[00:07:11] Season two of Gen V is happening during this season Yeah Four of the boys Yeah And then everything kind of syncs up at the end For the next seasons Yeah, potentially We do know that And Eric Kripke said this that Gen V season one leads into the boys

[00:07:30] Season four We've now seen that on screen and we'll talk about it a bit later on the episode But he also said going back into Gen V season two That will lead directly off of the boys season four as well So there will be

[00:07:42] It may be just the first two episodes take place during this time In these eight episodes of the boys And then it continues on to another story But again, we'll talk about that As we get to the characters from Gen V

[00:07:53] Well, I think you could find the boys ending up in the same facility Where the Gen V Potentially Yeah Potentially Absolutely Absolutely Good stuff Thanks so much for Meryl for your thoughts And next up we have an email from Koffian Vodka Who says greetings fellow Christmas tackler defenders

[00:08:09] A middling episode of the boys is better than the best of anything out there right now And while this wasn't middling by any means It was a very apparent rush job to further along plot points Armchair show running

[00:08:18] I'd say they have done well to either add a couple of episodes Or acts the Frenchy guilt trip and Kamiko shining light subplots Be that as may I'm honestly more curious to see how Homelander deals with his prageny Than to see how the assassination attempt goes

[00:08:32] Speaking of hope Sam wasn't watching that particular Christmas special It may have brought back PTSD for him Every season has a chosen one to get especially dumped on This time it's Starlight in the barrel

[00:08:43] And it'd be nice to let her one of the few characters that doesn't need redeeming out soon Maybe replace her with her mother Hire standards my ass Never thought the deep will get more dislikable than the very first episode But Kripkemi once and or IP Ambrosius as usual

[00:08:59] So much else looking forward to next week Four shredded websters stripping skin jobs and propaganda puppets out of five Peace and take care Koffian Vodka Good stuff Koffian Vodka Yeah totally the deep getting sort of more despicable As time goes on here

[00:09:16] It'll be interesting now what comes of him over season five for sure He's fully out of the edge there Yeah, RIP Ambrosius indeed And of course the voice of Tilda Swinton I really hoped actually that Ambrosius was somehow still lurking

[00:09:36] And was gonna you know sort of get her revenge on the deep On deep yeah that would have been good And interesting what they came out this week a little news story from

[00:09:44] From chest Crawford who is saying that he never knew it was Tilda Swinton doing the voice Ambrosius so he filmed all of his scenes of course and then they put in till the Swinton's voice afterwards He went like that's amazing

[00:09:54] So he absolutely loved the idea but didn't know of course Who his scene partner was was at the time apart from it being Ambrosius the the octopus Thanks so much for your thoughts coffee vodka. Yeah, thanks coffee vodka Thanks coffee vodka Over on Facebook

[00:10:11] We have some feedback from Eugene Basil Abbott who says Still haven't watched but boy has my house gotten very clean Again rewatching and therefore listing along to you guys I questioned why it would be expected that Ryan would have the same powers as Homelander

[00:10:30] I'm thinking there must be a genetic component to the powers Though because while we Huey and his dad had different powers They both were of the teleportation sort we Huey was lucky

[00:10:42] He never ended up naked standing in the middle of someone else who he exploded from the inside like termite I have no idea what the finale or season five hold But if he and starlight's have a kid would it use electricity to teleport

[00:10:58] Also because I've seen all four seasons and Gen V if you go back to season three when Huey visits Red River And they're looking for an adoptable child good cover Huey They scroll by a photo of Mary

[00:11:12] I'm sure that's in an x-ray somewhere because I haven't listened to the Gen V episodes yet. This got long Thanks so much Eugene. Um, yeah, I think definitely there is some kind of Genetic component they're going on but yeah good spot around the the we Huey and

[00:11:30] Hew senior in terms of their kind of teleportation type of vibe that they have and but certainly Yeah, it looks if they the V compound is there because of a birth then it is yeah Probably gonna be melded in there with the genetics. Yeah, it's interesting

[00:11:51] It's one that we missed completely and definitely confirmed the reason why we Huey and Huey have have Similar powers in their teleportation abilities because they are connected by family So there is a genetic piece to it there, but we just missed it again

[00:12:04] We were recording these up so before they come out and this there's big things that sometimes we don't catch that Everybody catches up. We feel really really silly about us that we didn't notice it

[00:12:12] So but yeah, you're absolutely right as well that that at least reg of Marie Maraud being in that in that episode of Of the boys before Gen V had been released

[00:12:21] No way you could have known it when you were watching it first time through until you saw Marie Maraud being such a big character in Gen V But once when you're looking back on a rewatch, it definitely stands out that that's who it is

[00:12:32] Yeah, I guess as again speaking on the genetics on our Gen V podcast for those who hopefully will listen to it very soon Polaris and his father both of them have the exact same power sets

[00:12:44] And it's a pure genetic based and we go through that because then you also do see that there is that kind of the next generation All seeming we are either as powerful or sometimes more powerful because they're second-generation powered with a Another soup

[00:13:03] parent so they are kind of super parent parentage Exactly if you will exactly good stuff. Thanks so much for your feedback there Eugene Yeah, thanks Eugene and we also got some feedback from Scott Macanada who had this to say

[00:13:17] There has to be a reason for Sage to leave her brave maven notebook at the tower She's been a good guy ish all along and is trying to Coerce homie into doing something maybe something as simple as reverse psychology or even reverse reverse psychology

[00:13:33] Knowing that he'll overthink the situation as the smart guy Probably Scott there could be something to that when you're listening to this there is gonna be At the end of this season it is collected

[00:13:48] And there is a bit about why she comes back for it, but overall yeah Makes sense. It was just a little nod there from the writers, right? Yeah, exactly. She's coming back for that. I'm sure Yes Good stuff. Thanks. Thanks for that Scott. Yeah, of course

[00:14:04] As Chris say yeah, you'll see it later on in the episode or in the episode itself Of course, you've probably seen it at this stage as to why she left her behind there because she was always coming back Yeah, good spot there Scott. Yeah, thanks for that

[00:14:15] Also, we got some feedback in from David mr. Riser who says well, that's a hell of a cliffhanger in episode seven Interesting setup for the finale. I love the line where home lander tells sage She's lucky he doesn't send her home in a book

[00:14:26] It's also good on them to pay homage to the Mortal Kombat fatality by ripping apart webweaver I think I understand why this season has appeared slow I'm going to go out in the limb and say they're going to make it into a continuation to season five

[00:14:38] This seems to be like one big long setup for the series finale I also heard that las Alonso his actual words not a rumor chose to lose and cut wait for season four in order to

[00:14:49] Show how much of the toll it takes to be a leader of the boys So all speculation of what happened or if he was sick can be laid to rest This was an artistic choice by him very interesting

[00:14:59] And you can kind of see it now as the seasons have gone on You know that the whole stress and pressure that I'm em was under Really coming through in the performance that las Alonso brings to them

[00:15:10] As a character and how much pressure he's been around how much danger he feels he's been under as the full-on leader of the boys with Billy Sidelined I guess I think so. Yeah, and I mean even it's that being the leader of the boys

[00:15:23] But it's also having to deal with the stress of what happened to his family as well. So, yeah, no, that's that is good choice It's good to to hear that from the actor as well. Yeah, and certainly yeah the Mortal Kombat Fatality

[00:15:40] Especially for webweaver. Yeah very very good indeed. Thanks so much David. Mr. writer Yeah And yeah, you are you are right It just feel like method season five has been announced as the final season this finale of season four with this cliffhanger

[00:15:55] Is leading into season five so whether it's just a two-part series or whether it is just a continued two seasons All combined together. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna be able to go into season five having not watched any of the previous four seasons

[00:16:07] That's let's put it that way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, excellent stuff Also on episode seven we have dr Phillips it says the midseason finale is rushing in fast Possibly one of the best lines was the silent questioning head tilt from noir as deep asked about lobotomies

[00:16:27] Also for those wondering a thorough knee amputation after displacing the patella would have been quicker Than the low femoral approach that Frenchie took Ryan played them up at scene really well Highlighting the emotional to to fruity. Yes indeed And I think Ryan's

[00:16:48] Muppets scene, you know just really good and actually I quite liked how Ryan has to see through to this Emotionally throughout the whole of this season because there was that moment a few episodes back where he gets one of

[00:17:05] Like the the main director is you know him to Apologize to his assistant. I thought okay, here's Ryan going more to the dark side, so I Think they've tried to just keep you guessing and that makes sense for this last episode actually

[00:17:21] Where he is and sort of being asked to kind of step up really by Billy butcher. Yeah. Yeah, exactly I know he's done a great job Yeah, well he won't he is the thing that we will be taking through into season far

[00:17:35] Absolutely that is what the show has been about really since the reveal of Ryan at the end of This first season right so and but he's done a great job since this actor come on in season two

[00:17:45] He's done a great job playing Ryan and playing that battle inside his mind of whether he goes with his Real father of homeland or whether he goes with the person he thought of as a dad with with Billy butcher

[00:17:56] Absolutely, and I mean, yeah, I mean it's interesting isn't it that age because It really kind of works very well. I think I mean even His voice you sense his voice is breaking a little bit probably, you know naturally

[00:18:11] But it seems to work with the character because that the characters in the same position And it almost makes him sound nervous when he's talking. Yes, so it's kind of interesting. Yeah Yeah, it's interesting with Cameron the actor who plays Ryan like obviously he did replace

[00:18:28] The first day the other actor who was there for like the split second scene at the end And he has been that character since but he is age rapidly because these do take a year to film

[00:18:40] Although it's supposed to be a lot quicker in like boys universe time I'm really hoping that by the end of season five. He's not just over He's not it's just like he's already growing his first beer type of thing. He's just hippy beer ready. Yeah

[00:18:55] Yeah, I hope not and I suppose that's the best thing about the show finishing in season five We don't have to have that situation where a child actor is supposed to be playing a teenager and has grown and become 30

[00:19:04] Because the show went on for 15 seasons or something like that, you know So yeah, I think doing a great job Excellent stuff. Thanks, Dr. Bob. Heather Wallace says well, I never thought I'd cheer a train's entrance

[00:19:16] He and M. M. Were the team up. I didn't know I needed this started with a train Negligently killing Huey's girlfriend and now he saved Huey's new girlfriend

[00:19:24] Although she's in a bad position at the end of the episode and will not be happy with Huey when she escapes I love the different reaction shots of Ryan's two dads Homelander frustrated and disappointed and butchers so very proud as truly awful and

[00:19:38] Irredeemable as homelander is he does love Ryan just not on a way to see Ryan as his own person I've missing Kameko and Frenchie's closeness. It was a relief when she moved over to make room for him to sit down

[00:19:48] And then he had to chop her leg off one episode to go You know, there's about four sentences in there Heather that you wouldn't get in any other TV show ever other than the boys

[00:19:58] Really is there they were getting closer and then he chopped her then he has to chop her leg off Yeah, his two dads chopped saw through her leg and bearing. It's one of the more visceral

[00:20:11] Sort of leg chopping off I've ever seen it is I think it's better than any zombie one I've seen actually to be honest. Yeah, I still say Herschel's leg and then season three of Walking Dead is amazingly visceral

[00:20:26] I think this one worked really well because it was in time to steal my sunshine by land that terrible money stop Repeat my my comment That's a terrible mighty son because of that doctor that another big reason me

[00:20:36] To just gonna keep saying until someone else. Okay. Yeah, it is terrible So but that is a great moment And yeah, it was really visceral as well But again a great a great boys moment that you wouldn't get in most other shows most of the shows

[00:20:51] Good stuff guys that is is for our feedback from our wonderful boys and girls on the last episode We mentioned last week when we're doing a wrap-up episode of the boys You can get your feedback in for the finale

[00:21:02] We will discuss it on there along with giving out all the answers to the pub quiz We have one final question in the pub quiz coming up towards the end of the day

[00:21:10] I do and all you need to do is gather together all eight answers to the pub quiz email them to us at Feedback at TV podcast industries comm and you could be on the chance of getting your hands on some boys goodies in next week's episode

[00:21:22] Yes, absolutely boys and girls fellow quizzes. Mm-hmm get those answers Rolling in after this episode Absolutely after the question for this episode pink if an edge and if you missed any of the questions

[00:21:34] You can pop on over to our website of course at TV podcast industries comm all the questions are up there at the moment So excellent. Well Derek then let us get into our spoiler-filled review for the finale episode of The boys season four assassination run

[00:21:50] What are some of the episode details? Well, of course the showrunner for the show is Eric Kripke He has been the showrunner since season one of the show this is based on the comic book series from Garth Annes and

[00:22:00] Derek Robertson this executive producers for the show are Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg This episode was written by Jessica Chow and David Reed This is Jessica's third episode after writing an episode the episode hero gas and last season and episode two of this season

[00:22:13] And she also wrote an episode of Gen V. This is David's fourth episode of the boys including the first episode of this season and The finale of season three so he's kind of keeping that story going

[00:22:22] Throughout the seasons I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the first episode of season five as well to keep that story going Let's see. Yeah, and this episode was directed by showrunner Eric Kripke putting his stamp on there on the last episode of season four Nice very good

[00:22:37] John do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for the boys season four episode eight assassination run? Sure It's January the sixth as Congress certifies the election results to officially make Bob Singer president and Victoria Newman his VP

[00:22:53] But when Homelander reveals the truth about Newman on live TV It sends Congress and the entire nation into an uproar Meanwhile, the boys try to protect Singer from assassination Not realizing that the assassin is closer than they think and he struggles to figure out who Annie

[00:23:10] January really is and to break free from captivity And when Butcher makes his final attempt to convince Ryan to leave Homelander Things go horribly wrong causing Butcher to embrace the monster within and nothing will ever be the same again

[00:23:27] That's pretty good synopsis of what happens in the episode. Yeah, literally nothing will be the same again. Yeah It's all changed at the top It's all changed and a really good really good thing to mention there

[00:23:39] I think I said it on last week's episode of we were podcasting that January 6th There's an auguration day in the US that was totally an error on my side I should have remembered that today the Congress certifies the election

[00:23:49] It's nothing to do with the inauguration that happens way after the election has been certified That's what caused all the problems in the US at the time of the certification of the election on January 6th

[00:23:57] And now the date lives on in the infamy as I had said last week, but I completely messed up my days I don't know enough about American politics obviously Infamy infamy Exactly

[00:24:12] Yes, let's get on to our main moments from the episode we're gonna start out with our boys moments as usual our protagonist moment for the episode Did you hear Billy butch your answering his phone like that in this episode?

[00:24:23] It's made me laugh because we've been using that clip Which I think is from season one of the show, but he picks up his phone to Huey and goes Oh, yeah, immediately. I was just quite happy with that

[00:24:32] Anyway who wants to kick us off with a first point Chris do you want to take first point? I will just because it is a bit of a oi-oi moment bangers and mash Kiss and caboodle kidding caboodle all the cockney slang you can think of for a kiss

[00:24:49] heard around the world Perfectly framed on a walkway. Yes, Frenchie and Kimiko have finally kissed What's the bangers and mash? Cockney rhyme and slang Think there's starting to do the bangers a bunch. I don't know. I was trying to make it work there

[00:25:09] There's much. I think it's just London isms. They're not cockney rhyme slang Okay, in fact you probably hear bangers mash all crossing but anyway, it doesn't matter You try Chris. We got it Where you as shocked at this as I was Chris

[00:25:26] I was absolutely shocked after everything they've gone through with Kimiko and Frenchie that They put the characters together here and have them have a massive smooch On screen after everything they've gone through the last two seasons. I was surprised. I Honestly, I thought this was off the table

[00:25:42] I thought that they'd said this like to go. No, do you know what look these two are better as friends? Yeah, and to somewhat take that back and I'm somewhat too fully take that back and say that it was said

[00:25:57] Because they need both needs to go on their journey through this season to get to this point is Impressive. Yeah, like and it makes it also more Sweet and then bittersweet at the end of this episode For they that they are where they are Because it is

[00:26:20] This constant I'm going to call it Romeo and Juliet But there's probably a better analogy in like Literature where they are constantly ripped from each other. They cannot their star-cross lovers Yeah, as much as they want to be together

[00:26:37] Fate is just constantly getting in the way be a fate of their own Doing yeah, be it the the the universe be the job they have but they have finally made that call and two quick parts one The choice by Kripke to frame that kiss on the walkway

[00:26:57] In the like nothing else going around them just beautiful. It looked spectacular. It was a really nice shot and then just the little silly The emojis text that she showed Starlight Danny Yes, and it was just like a French man French flag. Yeah, and then a kiss

[00:27:17] I was like, yeah, we all just went oh Yeah It was a nice ending to that to the story the two of them have been on Throughout this season. Yeah, as you say it's not the ending of the episode There's other things that happen afterwards and well

[00:27:33] Probably go into those I guess Go through the episode but ha to have this moment where the two of them Rekindle their love. Yeah, there is a there is an old trope of this I know you know you mentioned Romeo and Juliet Chris

[00:27:44] But of course there is a trope of the will they won't they characters on sci-fi shows and on comedy shows all the time It was two characters that are destined to be together

[00:27:52] But always being pulled apart things like the Ross and Rachel and friends and Diane and Sam and cheers You know those characters that were always supposed to be together

[00:28:00] But you know fought throughout the years or couldn't be together for whatever reason that's exactly what they've done here with Okay That's what they've done here with French in and can we go?

[00:28:11] You know they've made them into the will they won't they characters and I thought it was they won't at the start of the Season that's that's what I thought they were going for it Nope

[00:28:20] They're not gonna be together and they had to end the season with the two of them together Or at least at that point was just a big surprise for me, but a nice moment. It's a lovely moment

[00:28:28] They're great. They're both great characters and it just sets up the heartbreak for next season absolutely now by the end of this episode they are separated and Yeah, they definitely separated Yep, and it just brings way more questions into because of

[00:28:42] How they're separated with he even remember? Yeah who she is Who they are who he is exactly. Yeah, I mean like for me I think you know that their storyline in some ways has been so tragic all the way through and to be honest this last episode is

[00:28:59] You know the end of Empire Strikes Back It's pretty grim if you're rooting for the boys and then That kiss is just that little bit of hope In amongst all of this from the boys side

[00:29:16] I mean even just all the way through like where she's cleaning the the bloody teddy bear at the start Yeah, you know and I thought that was quite cute as well. Yeah, so I guess

[00:29:29] And so that I kind of like that but I wasn't expecting it at all Yeah, yeah, but I'm yeah for juice. I guess it will be really tragic Mm-hmm. Oh Lock into the Shakespearean tragedy then in season five. Yeah. Yeah, okay

[00:29:45] So you got somewhere slightly ahead of me you brought in the Empire Reference so thank you. I was almost expecting The I love you I know right Yeah because of the way this ended and deceptive like I was because it very clearly this is their Empire season

[00:30:06] Going into return for next to that. Yeah so and because they had got them together similar to Han and Leia and Then you tear them apart at the end I was expecting her to sign or some form of

[00:30:20] That because just to kind of really kind of cement it with the nerds. Yeah, but they didn't I was like, oh, okay Maybe next time I think it's enough that it took place in a warehouse that looks similar to the kind of place

[00:30:31] They would have filmed and past tracks back with a little more set dressing of course an Empire strikes back But but no, it's it's really good. Really good college. That's how I do

[00:30:40] I definitely want to make sure that we put a pin on in what happens to them at the end because there's a There's one other little touch to what happens at the end that we definitely should be talking about so we're gonna hold That off on that

[00:30:51] Finale in the wrap-up of the episode until our other outstanding moments and is that is that all you have on on French? That's from my boys. Can we go cool John? What about your boys moments? I think my

[00:31:03] Boys moment is just all the boys sort of getting together The the team getting together to go and protect president elect singer Who's I love, you know four stories underground in the the soup proof bunker really? Playing mini golf which of course comes back to to bite him

[00:31:25] on on the ass really in the sort of the greater scheme of things and From the wizard sage, but I just kind of like this. I liked the fact that you have them all Clostrophobically sort of in this underground bunker to protect singer from Homelander and

[00:31:49] And you have this moment of realization then that Huey knows that starlight isn't starlight here in the bunker Locked in and there's just some really nice touches here. And you know as The doppelganger shape shifter and you have Huey telling

[00:32:09] Mother's milk to just look forward don't look at a you know keep it natural and it starts to go and be anything but natural and Like the doppelganger picks up on it with you know

[00:32:22] Mother's milk squeezing his hand a sort of side glances from from Huey and then she goes Oh, you've noticed and it's the ring and I kind of liked just how they built up the tension here It was good fun. Yeah, I mean even to the point there once

[00:32:38] You know fake starlight is unleashed here. I mean the fight is just really good I wouldn't like to be one of the secret servicemen in this particular situation where you've got the the right angled back Kill there's the coat hook kill There's the putter

[00:33:01] Kill as well and I mean all this really explosive really fast, you know almost Terminator-esque in The efficiency of the kills You just see them trying to get President sing it out the big bomb blast doors Just

[00:33:26] Yeah, juxtaposition and even a bit later where they're going through another set I'm huge just like how many numbers are there for this coat

[00:33:36] Like mothers milk is just like running through all the numbers I think of and so I just kind of like this whole thing because you know in a sense everything going on above ground was just

[00:33:49] There's a sinisterness to it and I mean it's to the point. I think this season really is were It's still joking about all this stuff, but actually it's almost as well playing out in real time

[00:34:01] It's like so weird like this actual the stuff that's happening here is playing out in real time And we're kind of pretending that this is all like Jokey and you know Satire in a sense, but it it is you know

[00:34:19] The usual thing with certain politicians on the other side of the Atlantic such as Boris Johnson were basically all the satirists went Well satire is dead what can we do now that is gonna trump any of this?

[00:34:31] Pardon the pun and and of course so I kind of like this underground thing because it was totally sort of just devoid of all of that and it you know It spoke to kind of almost that should you know just the storyline of

[00:34:47] So I've been kidnapped she's been replaced with a doppelganger and now they're in this pressure situation But there's so much kind of jokey stuff going around and I thought it was classic as a slowest classic boys really enjoyed it

[00:34:59] And had a bit of fighting awkwardness, you know carried the plot forward and Was used later on to effectively, you know and Hang singer and get him arrested. And so I just really liked this whole Bit in the bunker. Yeah, and one other thing

[00:35:18] I really did like about it is also that it showed the intelligence of them and why is the leader of the boys he Gets everybody into that group into that room to make sure that president singer is safe But the first thing he says is

[00:35:30] We're not definitely gonna be safe in here The person could already be in here that's going to assassinate you we could we could be putting you in a sealed room So he knows that he is looking out for clues

[00:35:39] He's making sure that everybody checks in and that everybody keeps in contact and keeps their eyes peeled It's not that's all sit down and chill age

[00:35:47] Wait for it all to blow over he is thinking about that there's a possibility that someone's in here and it turns out he's right You know like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, especially he could have made the son of the dead reference

[00:36:00] I don't think they're gonna reference things the way you think they're gonna reference I Really enjoyed this I enjoyed every part of this So I'll be I'll kind of level because I would have talked about this in the previous episodes if we if I was honest

[00:36:14] The shape shifter I felt was a bit of it gonna be escaped goat right cuz it's like oh, yeah, you've done the shapes after before Okay, where are you going with this? It just makes okay

[00:36:24] They use it to such good effect here because the shape shifter does have some telepathy as well Yeah, and is able to read the mind and is able to take it and

[00:36:34] You do start to quite well will is Huey going to be blinded by all the silly things That kind of is going on and the multiple Rounds of pillow Gymnastics that goes on definitely less than 20. Yeah, definitely less. Yes. Definitely less than 20. I think maybe

[00:36:58] But then they use it and then like for example that fight we've already seen how First of all that shape shifter is She's pretty indestructible as well like I was kind of like I Was kind of fairly shocked by that. I didn't realize

[00:37:16] Effectively she was gonna be bulletproof. Yeah, no exactly and then to see like she just gets choked out So I'm pretty sure that that that she may still be alive They I did think that as well It's that's interesting

[00:37:30] There's a line from Annie when she comes back to really rip Huey a new one and she says oh you gave her the engagement ring I know because I pulled it off her cold dead finger and she's so angry about it

[00:37:42] But I think she checked for pulse and I think Annie January is confirming. She killed the shape shifter because of her Weedling her way into Huey's life and getting engaged to him and Huey not knowing the difference

[00:37:54] I think she is angry as all hell and she not only choked that thing out She strangled it ripped off its head and then ripped off the ring as well I do hope I do hope that because I'm Kimiko full-on gets an exorcist moment like I

[00:38:10] For split second was like wait No, like like I knew she's been through worse things But I did think for a split second wait Are they just gonna take off the table for like and like half of the episode just cuz

[00:38:25] Like how do you come back from that so quick, but then she came back from a subway. Yeah, yeah it's weird actually because with Kimiko getting so yeah her neck broken when she was coming round I

[00:38:37] Thought she would be confronted with the two star lights and not know which one to go after yeah, so it was actually Even sort of with the real star lights having choked out fake star lights

[00:38:51] I thought but it's Kimiko gonna know that that's the real star light. Yeah She is wearing something different absolutely so you can tell from that, but I just thought there was gonna be that kind of

[00:39:03] Moment yeah, where it's like who's who here and having to figure that out And I mean in the sense that you know Huey and star lights have got some difficult things to chat through But I think in the end she does accept the fact that you know

[00:39:19] She was very good doppelganger She told star lights as well that she can take her memories because she talks about using her grandparents one on Huey yeah, so Starlight does know that you know and I mean that does change the game of it with

[00:39:35] The shape shifters that yeah is not just a physical Manifestation it is a personality as well because we were talking about last week there was kind of a there's a moment when the shapeshifter took the The

[00:39:48] laptop from Huey safe in the house and the only way she could possibly have known the code was that she had some of the memories of Starlight so we knew that there was something different

[00:39:57] It wasn't just a take on the appearance of somebody takes on all their memories and takes on all their knowledge as well So that makes them so much more scary that moment when she's describing

[00:40:06] When the first time she transformed was when she was what six years old at preschool Transformed into her teacher and knew everything about her teacher knew that knew that she was having sex with one of the neighbors Was justifying it all to herself, you know as a six-year-old

[00:40:20] She suddenly had all that inside her brain and that's what turned her into associate path So um, I thought that was really again It's how they think about all the angles of these characters that they introduce even for an episode or two

[00:40:32] It just is always very good. So, um, yeah, I like that a lot Um, but yeah, just that I think Annie Threatens Huey with having to go and get every single STD test in the world to make sure that he doesn't tell you doesn't have shape shifter syphilis

[00:40:46] Yeah, but it's not a threat. It's like you are getting but I think it's you know It's it's just the way the boys do it where she goes. Okay I get you would yes, you know, and I accept that

[00:41:00] You know because Huey says how he kind of knew in the end that it wasn't her And she found her keys in less than 10 minutes because she's normally absolutely freezing everywhere she goes and the And the shape shifter was was sweating

[00:41:15] Um, and because when she wore a really hot looking outfit at home when normally she puts on her Her sweatpants the minute she walks through the door because she cannot possibly wear designer clothes in the house Basically, so I like Huey knows all the little stuff about her

[00:41:27] But I thought this was all really good because you know because singer survives It sets up a spooked Newman who then is calling up Huey and effectively, you know A determined homelander that is willing to do

[00:41:44] Anything, you know, I do like what he says to Newman. There is no fail And if you back down, you know, then I will cause pain for your daughter for the rest of her life

[00:41:54] And send bits of her to you all this kind of stuff, you know real terrifying Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it kind of kicks off that kind of end game this really here So it was a great part for me Absolutely absolutely and and it does kick off

[00:42:10] I guess what my Boys moment is as well Newman going and talking to Huey and telling him that she wants his help And that they will be able to be on the same side kind of inspires Huey to give His speech to the rest of the team

[00:42:22] Um, partly because Newman says well, you know, you do something to me I do something to you and it's always going to get worse and worse and worse as it goes on So Huey's speech to the same. I thought was really really good and again, you know

[00:42:33] Let's say to make the world a little less tense. Yeah, maybe we need to step back and forgive or show mercy because that is more brave than just showing hate and Murdering people all the time which has been the boys modus operandi since the beginning of the show

[00:42:48] It's been about let's go out and kill them before they kill all of us basically or let's go and kill them After they kill some of us whatever it may be It seems to be escalating over and over again and Huey's made this idea now

[00:43:01] He said this is it we have to make a final stand and we have to be more human to fight these monsters effectively So, um, I thought that moment of inspiration for the team. It leads to French and commico

[00:43:14] Starting to get the idea that maybe they can forgive themselves Maybe that is an approach they can take rather than just holding on to the guilt and venting in is in anger all the time

[00:43:25] Um, I like mm and uh, and annie joining the calls by just going. Yeah effort. Why not? Let's go out with their heads heads held high is basically Exactly, but I like how they you know for mm. It's like well, you know, we rolled the dice with

[00:43:42] A train and look how that turned out. We didn't think that was going to turn out the way it is And so I I kind of like that it was all a bit flipping. It was like, okay, sure. Let's give it a go

[00:43:52] You know, they still got the contingency of well If she even looks And blinks her eyes funny. Absolutely. There will be French either with the virus Aiming for the soft tissue and so on, you know, so I kind of I like the fact that it

[00:44:08] Will give us a go but not 100% Yeah And I mean, you know the fact that in a sense will never know but you know, yeah Yeah, I never know how well it could have gone

[00:44:20] But they were all aligned with a good new leader of the boys as opposed to mm Who was totally stressed out and billy who just wants to kill everything in his path Here we have hui who's actually kind of stepping up to be a leader in a way

[00:44:32] And tell him this is a way that could be able to work through it One other little interesting nod that's in there of of hui as he nods back to Um another choice he made this season, which was to be instantly angry with his mother

[00:44:44] The minute she came back into his life So interesting that he's saying, you know, it was the wrong choice because I could have You know, I could have had some time with my mother since I was a kid

[00:44:53] And so this is the lesson that we learned after his father died at the last thing his father taught him And he's going to bring it into his life with the boys So I thought it was really a really good way to

[00:45:03] Finish hui's arc for the season I suppose after everything that he's been through mostly on his own or with his family Um, so a good way to to bring that back into the team Yeah, definitely great excellent

[00:45:14] That's it for our boys moments. I guess right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's get on to our seven or antagonist moments for the episode You're not the real heroes I'm the real hero

[00:45:27] Who is the real hero will definitely not the seven or home lander but guys who wants to kick us off with their seven moments over the episode I'll jump in um Because this is a bit of one. It's not really seven. It's not really I'm going to call

[00:45:42] Butcher our antagonist my antagonist moment For this episode very much towards the end to be not talking about the the Malory aspect, which we'll get discussed later um He is now fully souped up uh V-royded tentacle waving uh butcher

[00:46:04] He the grain beard is gone. He is back to how he looked in season one and he has Poisonous whipped tentacles flying from the tumor in his chest and he rips Vic in half

[00:46:23] He is on he he is a man on a mission to kill the soups to kill home lander And that's what he's gonna do Come hell or high water And it really cements him Now as an antagonist of the boys He is now outside of

[00:46:40] Uh outside of the cia. He's outside of the the boys. He's outside of everything that he was He's against Ryan. Like we saw this deterioration this downturn of Butcher but it was never a good person. No, no like he was always

[00:46:59] He called it himself. He was always the a-hole Trying to sometimes do the right thing which in his mind was Get the soups who were taking advantage

[00:47:12] Or doing the bad things that was keep the soups in line. That's what the boys were doing because originally they'd killed his wife Or that's what he thought. Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly

[00:47:20] And that's really just kind of cemented over time. He we saw him talk to himself throughout this season about How he Will lie to himself about things that to tell the perfect story for himself to make himself more of the bad guy

[00:47:41] He's just now fully embraced that he is He the the jeffredean morgan character Said i am you. Yeah, you are me You'd just a different aspect and that he is now embodied that aspect that just has no attachments. Yeah, I love that he's single-minded

[00:48:01] I love that in the in the clip from last reception what happened in last reception where kessler says to Billy butcher When I say you want to blow up the entire world when I say you want to commit genocide

[00:48:13] You do because I am you and that is your thought like it's it's not I'm not someone possessing you like a ghost coming in. This is your thought your thought is you want to commit genocide

[00:48:23] So and a great touch at the end as billy drives off looks in the mirror and it's joe kessler's face looking back at him You know, I kind of had said when billy passed out at the end of last episode

[00:48:33] I wondered does that mean now joe takes over the body basically they didn't go that way They went with him in hospital we'll talk about that in a second But the end of the episode actually does kind of

[00:48:43] Indicate what I said last week it is joe kessler now inside the body Possessing him almost Now being that side of billy that can do these kind of things where he'll rip apart a woman in front of his daughter

[00:48:54] He'll rip her in half, you know, yeah, even billy usually wouldn't have gone that far in the past But yeah, this version of billy seems to go as far as he wants to well exactly

[00:49:04] I mean it's it's the fine dividing line. Isn't it between him and homelander somewhere around the midriff They are literally both To some degree As bad as one knows as one is soup souped up Yeah, there isn't but But there are to a greater or lesser degree

[00:49:24] And you know empathy and understanding I think that's the great thing about this timing of this where he you know, you've just had he is staring speech around sort of mercy You know trying to flip newman trying to reason with the rest of the boys that you know

[00:49:44] We're human, you know ever since I've become a part of the boys Death killing murder has been normalized. I used to be shocked by it and And and you know, that's not necessarily the answer we can do it differently

[00:50:02] And he's kind of like you say it's all on board and literally Captain chaos arrives with you know with joe Kessler in the saddle and and out comes the The killing sort of fronds or whatever they are the worms

[00:50:23] And and yeah rips newman in in shreds. It's like basically like yeah, thanks here I mean it's even just that he puts his hand on hewie's shoulder and then just grabs him to move him out the way Out they come

[00:50:37] Newman dead. I mean effectively his daughter zoe as well is crashed into the And the the shelving I didn't know that right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not throughout And of course like in his usual kind of ways as if I were you lot, I wouldn't hang about he knows

[00:50:54] What's about to haunt in a sense? Absolutely and and at his final words to the mayor You're welcome I love I love that because it feels like like you say Chris butcher from the first few At all the first season at least this kind of real kind of

[00:51:12] Bit of a tosser really. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but he's that he's that character like A lot of people would assume he's the anti hero, right? He's not No, like the the hero of the boys is hewie and the other boys

[00:51:31] Yeah, and that's what they've done throughout the four seasons and will do in the fifth season to show That the boys secretly are being redeemed and like mm is getting his place Yeah, like starlighter is

[00:51:45] Evolving and to become a better starlight better person at the end of the hewie's evolving But butchers devolving. Yeah, and I think that's why those those little visual and tropes of

[00:51:59] Showing the same scene but from the the viewpoint of homelander and then billy butcher are just so on point because it's actually saying Really in effect these people are not that different And yes in a sense pity ryan or pity the boys because they're having to deal

[00:52:19] With the ego and manicness of these two and so it and the seven And then we'll talk about it as well But you know the homelander is treating the seven the way the billy butcher treats the boys

[00:52:29] Like, you know, they're just a tool that he'll use them and if they don't shape up He'll cut them loose basically and now we have in the past had billy On the opposite side to the boys in other seasons of the show

[00:52:41] But this is a real definitive cut here if if the team Escape the finale of what happens here at the end of this season Um billy could also be another antagonist for the next season

[00:52:52] So I totally understand why you have this in your antagonist moment chris. It's it it makes sense that I don't think we're gonna have A happy happy clapping team up of the boys again, uh in the next season No, exactly. But yeah, so that's my moment

[00:53:06] Great. Well, I'll come in for for my seven moment because In a sense, it's billy butcher as well just with a bit of added homelander and it's the the events sort of preceding really I think what what you've just sort of raised there and because

[00:53:27] As I say, ryan has been kind of open to interpretation. Let's put it that way through this season and even just like in um the last season as well and like any Adolescence early teens whatever who knows where they're necessarily going to land

[00:53:47] Will they be the rounded person that you want them to be or will they be the nightmare that you wish you'd never have? kind of thing and in a sense it's like Here it is being captured between these two fathers one his biological father

[00:54:04] But raped his mother the other the surrogate stepfather who To be honest never wanted much to do with him after I realized he was a soup, but He loved his mother so much that was willing to give it go and it it's it's that opening up With homelander

[00:54:24] Finding that picture that kind of in a sense the crisis point for these two men is rebecca not because of her but because of their own egos and And and everything and you know homelander saying to ryan come here and ryan

[00:54:42] You know rebelling against that and literally just walking out only to be phoned up to go into what you would think of Of billy's butchers last breath and last throw of the dice really here And to bring ryan on board

[00:55:01] You know there was always that conversation earlier on between In the season between billy butcher and joe kesler I say conversation, but actually him speaking to him his other side of his personality

[00:55:16] Of you know either we can turn him and use him for our own purposes or he'll have to be killed and you have here in a sense that all the parts of billy butcher before the worms and victorian human

[00:55:32] And being ripped in half where billy is trying to make sure that he honors the request of becker and to protect ryan and in the end grace malarys sort of insistence to try and keep ryan there because i do like the juxtaposition between grace

[00:55:56] And billy butch yeah in this moment in the hospital where you know grace kind of force forces the issue really for ryan to stay Then he realizes he's actually in another huge sort of underground complex that he could be trapped in

[00:56:12] And just like his his father used to be yeah And it was billy in the end wants ryan to choose He's like he says if you feel safer with homelander Then stay if not, you know go with malarys. Yes, and and

[00:56:27] You know ryan needs time to think but grace just pushes it Just too much for ryan to sort of you know lash out really but with his strength Yes, and you know so r.i.p. Malari here

[00:56:43] I was like fairly shocked that she was killed actually i wasn't i really wasn't expecting it But i like the fact that her deteriorated relationship with And with billy In a sense drove her to try and go beyond you know you had billy trying to like

[00:57:03] Calm down don't tell him all this stuff. You know to be easy Well billy's basically saying we have an opportunity here. We can talk through this stuff with ryan But we can't overload this child with all of this information

[00:57:16] Like now and malari is kind of going yeah, but you know who knows what's gonna happen You could have an aneurysm right now and die right in front of him and we haven't we don't have time for this

[00:57:25] Basically with billy. He's she's trying to get that information out as soon as possible. Um I don't think ryan kills grace malari Um, he's not pushing her to kill her. I don't think he's aggressively pushing her enough

[00:57:39] I think this is another situation of ryan having no idea how to use his force when he's angry Um The same way that he killed the stuntman and threw him across an entire street and into a building crushed him earlier on

[00:57:53] On the season. That's kind of what happens here with grace I think he's pretty shocked but it's still kind of going. I still need to get out of here and goes Yeah, um, I thought I was surprised he didn't

[00:58:02] Take a little pause and go. Oh my god. I can't believe I just did that He just walked out of there, but he's so determined to get out But I think this is the difficult read on ryan because

[00:58:12] He's say that but he knows exactly how strong he is because he killed the stuntman So he knows if he does too much with grace It could be Potentially lethal but I I don't think he knows how to control that because nobody's training him. Nobody's helping him

[00:58:29] Nobody's telling him how to use his powers homelanders going You're as powerful as I am and you're gonna be the new homeland or a new leader of the seven Billy butcher literally just told them and grace has just told them We're gonna train you up to be

[00:58:41] The person fighting against him that that's how powerful you are but nobody's going right Do a half punch here a third punch here and this is the result of it And he put I think he just pushes grace out of the way and she smacks her head

[00:58:53] Head against the wall and dies. It's not intentional that he was trying to knock her out even I totally agree with you. His whole thing was I don't want to be trapped down here. Yeah And he pushes her But his push

[00:59:08] Is the push of someone and yeah, it's he chucks her off her feet at the wall and she smashes her head I mean she effectively had a skull crushed And you're not broken. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you

[00:59:22] I don't think that he wanted to do that but I just feel He's so ambiguous because even after The stuntman and you see how he is when he was influenced by homelander And it's about the influence. So actually he's hugely suggestible

[00:59:39] And this is the great thing about this character is that You don't know because you're right. He didn't stop and mourn Anti-malory that he used to know He loved meeting her and seeing her for the for, you know

[00:59:56] For the first time in a long time. Yeah, but then the upshot of their interaction is He hasn't been able to process anything not even Living with homelander because he's just keeping out of his way. Absolutely. Yeah, let alone this tinderbox situation

[01:00:17] And this is his third murder now since he got his powers You know, he killed Becca. He's he's killed grace now and he's killed. He killed the stuntman

[01:00:24] And nobody's stopping to go. Oh, hang on a second. We really need to control this or we need to take care of this Or this is how you should be taking care of this ryan and talking to him

[01:00:33] That's kind of what billy wanted to do. Um, but to your point about joe castler Again, this is why having a really good actor like jdm in the role of joe castler as the voice behind

[01:00:43] Behind billy butcher is such a great idea because there's a moment in the conversation When ryan's kind of turning all the plans down and you just see joe over in the corner going well

[01:00:53] Killing him it is then, you know, it's like it's having that this spoken thing that's again We are now inside billy's head. We know this is what billy's actually saying when he's looking at his son

[01:01:04] He's going well time to kill them then, you know, those were the options I I do wonder uh, now malorie is no more I think the actress who plays malorie will and malorie will be back next season as a third potential personality in

[01:01:22] Trying to fight with bet yet against jdm Interesting a sessler in butcher's head. That'd be really cool That's it because I think that's like Another person who was so instrumental in his life malorie has been and I think that's a good way

[01:01:39] To keep that so there will be always this cast of characters talking with butcher Um, but because I was shocked when they killed malorie. Yeah me shocked. Yeah. Yeah, I was because I was like

[01:01:51] Especially and how they did it. I was like, oh, okay. Well, it's okay because it's kind of how they brought beca back a bit They're able now I okay. Yes, it's a it's a bit of a trope having this. Oh, it's inside someone's head

[01:02:04] But it's still a good thing because they these The tumors are almost acting independently as separate characters on themselves. Yeah So well, it's part of the show now itself. I guess that's that's kind of the point you you're making

[01:02:19] I get it, you know, it's it's not it's not a trope now that it's part of billy putch's character He has people that will talk to him. Um, yes, but yeah, it was a real surprise I suppose it's because of malorie speech to ryan ryan has seemed

[01:02:32] Um while you know poorly influenced at times and you know again a kid So he hasn't he hasn't developed where he wants to go with his life yet So I totally get that but her speech to him saying, you know, he she when she lost her grandkids

[01:02:46] The massive hole that would left behind and ryan came in as this shining light and they'd lived together for months You know, she was on the run with him for months in the past. So the two of them

[01:02:55] Absolutely became a family unit when butcher wasn't around it when beckham wasn't around and homelander wasn't around They became a family unit. I thought that was getting through to ryan

[01:03:04] But then it's almost like panic stations because the same thing that homelander had been warning him about for so long This idea that they will trap you they will force you to do what they're gonna do Just like they did with me

[01:03:17] Is gonna happen to you at some point and he realized that this is another one of those bunkers that you've created to put me into Um, so he's like get out get out get out no matter what stands on my way. So yeah

[01:03:28] Yeah, it's a it's a great scene though and a real surprise. Yeah, absolutely Derek What about yourself? I want to talk about homelander And how far he's gone in this episode and if our the rest of the seven have gone as well You know the the

[01:03:44] scenes last of the last couple of episodes with the deep and black noir effectively being the henchmen for For homelander when they went out and tried to kill the boys in in their office We saw that we love that there were great scenes

[01:03:59] But in this episode there's something more insidious about it when homelander kicks actually out of the room And tells them right here's the real plan The president is gonna die today when he does

[01:04:11] Everything erupts in riots. We're gonna be bringing in every soup around to take care of them But first between now and when the president dies We have to take out everybody involved that has any type of information about me or well you guys as well Yeah, yeah, sure

[01:04:27] But anybody who had any any information on me they all have to die And the deeps like yep no problem, sir Not a problem anybody else could be out actually to the top of that list

[01:04:36] You know that's kind of is that's that's the deep he is now fully on board Now that he's lost Ambrosius and learned what happened with sage and the and black noir

[01:04:47] Before yeah, it's interesting. I thought there'd be a bit more tension between black noir and the deep this episode But it didn't feel like that at all. They were all bro in it again

[01:04:56] The back team was yeah, I guess yeah, the deep is already lobotomized so he just doesn't hold on to that stuff really Well, oh fish brain fish brain five seconds. Oh, okay. Yeah black noir. How are you? Well exactly, but they're also fully stormtroopers now for

[01:05:15] For homelander. They will do whatever he commands You know we have the scenes of the vault employees running through the building Being chased down by first firecracker who's not looking pretty good at the moment

[01:05:25] She's gotten quite sick from the tablets that she's she's been taking to uh to please homelander I initially thought that was possibly the virus. Yeah, actually so did I Yeah, and we thought that's how they were going to say oh secretly built introduced. Yeah, exactly

[01:05:41] And I thought the mix of having Uh firecracker being sick and also the changeling as well Having you know, i'm burning up in here. This place is so hot You know, I thought oh there's two soups that seem to be having health problems at the moment

[01:05:56] Maybe the maybe the virus has gone airborne and we just don't know about it That this is the effect that it's having on people here. So yeah totally totally with you on that but uh, but firecracker did make me laugh Which was like

[01:06:08] Oh, just stop running and then just shoot the guy in the back to get him to stop so she can She doesn't have to run after him anymore And then the deep taking out one of the writers from from vaulterra as well

[01:06:18] One of the ones that we've seen throughout the seasons of the show But not before he makes the guy tell him that he's a very intelligent member And the most respected after homelander of course most respected member of the seven and yeah I don't know

[01:06:35] jade crawford plays this part so well that I would that when he said to the guy You know what that's enough for me. Um, I know you're saying it just because you're afraid but that's enough for me

[01:06:44] That's all I want. I actually thought he was gonna let him go until he Pounds his face into dust So brutal. Yeah, really awful. Um and even poor other ashley

[01:06:56] I'm getting killed by black noir because it's like I've killed ashley. That's the wrong ashley. There's too many ashley Everybody read here is called ashley. Yeah. Yeah, and he gets his murder boner like the real Absolutely. Absolutely. I did like as well in vault news when Um homelander

[01:07:17] Tells ashley. He needs all the files on anyone in vault who has intel on him or the seven But mainly me. Yeah, and and there's just again an exchange between the ashley We the back corridors of the you know of the tv studio and I just thought

[01:07:38] I actually Another rip ashley because it was such a good concept these two ashley's. Yeah, really really enjoyed it Yeah, yeah, really fun But I just just that moment for me that that's my big antagonist moment to the fact that homelander

[01:07:55] Had now been able to get the other three members of the seven still not seven To to follow every single command he gives them effectively. So I thought that was I thought that was really

[01:08:07] Interesting and pretty scary as well because they are now, you know again the deep We wouldn't think of them as that massively violent a person look what he did

[01:08:16] To someone he worked side by side with for four or five years now at this stage in the writer from from The vault studio right so and just punch them straight through the face. Yeah All right, let's go on to our other outstanding moments from the episode

[01:08:32] Thank you. You have five minutes to make your openings Yeah, no, I'll take on My outstanding moment here because it does follow on with all the force employees being killed and ashley overhearing Homelander telling the remaining members of the seven and the actual plan and she hears

[01:08:59] and the deep Talking about killing her as well Just before I go into The actual point. I just love this actress coby minnow fee because I like when homelander tells her to leave and starts the door for the

[01:09:18] Meeting room going she's kind of like I can make it I can make it and it's like starts running because They've dropped in all the stuff Again And I just like it's just such an unusual choice, but actually I found it really funny

[01:09:32] I had to know there's just something. Yeah, it's firecracker that pushes the door button when homelander kicks ashley Asia it's just it's just that look on firecracker's face going you don't belong here

[01:09:41] You're just one of those humans kind of thing. It's just like get the hell out of here We all we have the power in this place Yeah, but it's almost like a like a lab rat being asked to sort of get through this next test

[01:09:52] Which is get yourself out this room before the big fire doors close And but anyway, I love the fact that as soon as she hears the actual plan she is straight down to homelander's

[01:10:06] Room and injects herself with v her wig comes off. Yes, and I'm like we don't actually see what Transformation is happening to her how the v is going to take shape You forgot about the wig though, didn't you John? I did because I thought that was it

[01:10:23] But um, and then I was like, oh no, she has a wig And then we don't see her for the rest of this episode So I actually did think those moments in the corridor where black noir had just

[01:10:36] Killed other ashley and you've got the thing with the writer. I thought we were going to see Vida ashley coming in here going, you know, well, you're not taking me or whatever But no, we don't see What has befallen or become of her so

[01:10:56] That I can't wait for season five. Yeah, and because I would say a veed up ashley could be really really funny. It could be very very interesting. Yeah, we just see we just see the brain Through her skull. We see a kind of pulsating. That's the only indication

[01:11:13] I really did feel that I know it's probably just because the wig came off But it really felt like the transformations from rolled out as the witches Yes That's what I thought that they were going for that kind of style

[01:11:23] But yeah, we don't we don't have an indication of what the power is that you're getting from from vr But yeah, it was instantly oh god. I'm gonna die right time for me to finally take that

[01:11:34] Exactly where it is, you know, so and in furnistura, you know, I totally understand that And um, you know, so we don't see her again So actually just another thing on a disappearance because we don't get a train back in this episode either

[01:11:49] Which I thought we were going to see a train somehow, I mean even certainly down to the uh, the title of Of the episode assassination room. I was like, oh, okay. I actually thought a train might die in this episode

[01:12:05] But we don't see him at all interesting, you know, there's a moment with the shape shifter who says to annie You're the first you were never the first choice to be the person that I would take on the look of

[01:12:20] Was she maybe thinking a train could have been could have been the the person that they'd replace and uh, He'd do the assassination Oh, they couldn't find him because he left the city last episode They know

[01:12:32] Well, I wonder if he was the one that they could be because sister sage did know about him So it could have just been the way to it was the proper patsy to you know It could have been better than uh, than her. Um, yeah

[01:12:44] I just I just wonder when you said that because yeah, we did we didn't get him We got a mention of him in uh in the speech as we said earlier on from um, so so kind of like the feedback was saying

[01:12:54] Earlier on about this potentially just leading into season five rather than it being a definitive ending for For season four yet. It will absolutely lead on to next episode I'm sure we're gonna see a train coming back in some capacity in next episode

[01:13:08] Uh the first of of season five. I'm sure we're gonna see him I'd say so he's gonna be helped spring the boys. But I'd say that's kind of personally what I think Yeah, yeah something like that. Um anything else on ashley john note that was it

[01:13:22] Chris do you want to give us your outstanding moment from the episode? Yeah, very quickly for me. It's just setting up soldier boy back. He is For season five. Yeah The end of season three we know both of them survived himself and mave mave goes into whitsek and

[01:13:40] Soldier boy. Oh my god maved in whitsek Yes, she's yeah maven a train are now both on the run Yeah, I'm glad how she come back for season five. Yeah, just thought about that one as you said talked about a train

[01:13:53] I went oh wave. Yeah, she survived too. I'm really glad you mentioned that because I Remembered queen mave still being alive. Yeah. Yeah, and I was surprised we hadn't seen her in this season so far

[01:14:08] Yeah, interesting and there's been a few little nods, you know that the um the copy book that uh that uh sage has Is a queen mave uh copy book It's not like the character's been forgotten in the show at all

[01:14:19] But she's there somewhere but uh taking a year out I guess from uh from the boys So I think it's highly possible. We could get uh the character back next season. That'd be cool

[01:14:30] Anyway back to soldier boy. Yes. So last season ago we saw at the end a malary Taking soldier boy back into custody the her version of custody into a black-up room Into the gas filter chamber I thought that was it right the fact that we see homelander basically

[01:14:54] Finding him again because of the new president because he was brief. Yeah, I'm like Oh god, what are you setting up next? Next season because the possibly they were antagonists against each other's but then also both had a Very particular view Of how it could be done

[01:15:15] I'm like, oh you really like they're setting up Going with the star wars analogy The Darth Vader and palpatine Going against luke And Like they're setting it up into the next season. Well, really in that analogy chris

[01:15:33] It's actually Darth Vader and luke skywalker teaming up together father and son to take over galaxy So maybe they're maybe that's their twist on and the star wars mythology What if father and son did actually team up to take on the galaxy?

[01:15:47] There is nothing but there is another and there's an so then it's luke's kid Father son and grandson, I guess if ryan's day's on their side, that's three of them

[01:15:55] Yeah, be interesting. Uh, but yeah, it was it was a great way to have uh soldier boy come back at the end um, you know We'll probably talk about in a second, but this idea that the president has sworn an oath almost to homelander above

[01:16:12] The us above the people above the party above everything else that's there He's sworn an allegiance to homelander. So when he gets his briefing Becoming the new president the first thing he doesn't go he goes

[01:16:24] Um, do you know this thing that's being hidden from you is soldier boy still alive? They've got him here right come on over and I'll show you exactly where he is It's like having a direct report from the highest of office to

[01:16:37] The now even higher office. I guess of homelander. So um, yeah, it's it's a great little post credit scene there Yeah, and it just sets up a lot for next season. It's just the possibilities outside of just what is set up

[01:16:51] As an in credit kind of post credit for Few yeah, it's great. So that was mine. I just completely Because he was just taken off the board The last season I was just like it did not expect it. Yeah to be to returned

[01:17:04] I thought that was just kind of the end. No, I always have a plan quite cool to see just knuckles back Yes, and my outstanding moment is really all of our outstanding moments

[01:17:14] I'm sure the outstanding moment for everybody is how this this season ends with all of the cliffhangers We talked about the first major one which is butchers coming back in And killing off newman taking the weapon. So he now has the weapon and he's on the road

[01:17:29] Probably to go and shove it somewhere up homelander if he can get an ability to do so But the rest of it where we have sage sage returning. So yeah sage has always been involved in this plan

[01:17:43] She knew the plan from the start. She even knew that homelander was eventually going to cut her off and kick her out And that he would make multiple different choices And she planned for all of those eventualities

[01:17:54] Everybody's speculation about sage potentially just working for herself and for or being a good guy We're all wrong She does want to complete the plan for homelander and knew how to achieve it Even if he wasn't going to listen to her like

[01:18:09] Absolutely brilliant someone at that moment when her eyes go a bit wild When he said I treated you like garbage. Why did you do this? And she goes because I wanted to prove to myself that I could But that's that's what I loved about absolutely loved it

[01:18:23] And it was also the scary thing because like I thought okay, she's gonna switch She's gonna be the good sage And you know But actually it's even more frightening is that despite being able to

[01:18:39] Extricate herself from the whole thing, you know and she managed to get out without her brains being in a bucket She's that clever. She's put in all the fail safes to account for the stupidity the the The the ego of homelander who believes he's

[01:19:01] Better than humanity but isn't necessarily at least when it comes to The mind and the brain But it's that she just said I wanted to just see if I could do it

[01:19:15] Even because she's that clever. It's like otherwise I'm bored and in a sense it comes back to her Well, I came up with a camp Cancer cure in you know seven hours after my grand. Yeah, it's that she does it because she can yes

[01:19:32] It's literally her superpower and that's why she's like this Yeah She was bored unchallenged and nobody was listening to her when she was at home I should still make it work and I liked how it played out actually

[01:19:45] I liked how it played out and even better as she walks out It was her turn to homelander going neg get ready for phase two. I've got even bigger plans You're going what is she planning for the big finale in season five?

[01:20:00] Why is she going to put homelander? I guess king of the world I um, yeah possibly something or phase two is another coup. You know Is in you know, who knows and but great really good I like the fact that as well she comes in with

[01:20:15] A balloon just to celebrate the success And he's like what is going on? I like that. That's really good. It's really good Um And then the other position that homelander is in is that he's now The leader of all of the deputized superheroes all across america

[01:20:31] They are all now being deputized and he is going to be overall them So effectively the new minister of war for the us My guess are the minister of all policing um for all of america

[01:20:42] And we know that the president has pledged his allegiance to homelander of the said so Because of the phone call that uh, that's sage comes in with so And so I don't know whether the public know that they know that he The public aren't seeing the president

[01:20:55] Um swearing allegiance to homelander. They're saying he's just saying that the um all the soups are deputized and reporting to homelander But there is a little bit of a moment

[01:21:05] As he's making the press conference that homelander kind of pushes him out of the way mid-sentence to make his speech to his new public So, uh, which I thought was kind of a good. Yeah, no that was a nice little touch actually well

[01:21:15] He's he's out to root the deep state Starlighters yes, he is Which includes um, effectively the boys on the run and there's the big moments, of course the big moments that happen Um With the boys as they break up and go their separate ways

[01:21:33] We've again another scene that we've seen play out in previous seasons as they go to different parts of the country Have they all separated away from each other in the past not as bad when they go to ground

[01:21:44] Here we see uh, kameeco and frenchie going one way. I am going another way Huey and and ali going their own separate way It's kind of a plane trains and all my wheels at best. We have we have frenchie and kameeco going to

[01:21:58] Going to the shipyard to get their boat away from the u.s And they're confronted by the two major characters from gen v Yeah, we have case and sam back sam Hope this doesn't spoil anything for gen v. You should have watched it by now

[01:22:12] fellow boys and girls um, but sam is still fully in thrall of case Um, he is still under her back under her power Um still doing her bidding you can see it from his eyes. He hasn't he's not

[01:22:26] Engaged at all. He's still doing her will he's holding kameeco while kate does exactly the same thing to frenchie She converts frenchie under her control again So um the reason why I want to just highlight that again is because in gen v

[01:22:41] Sam was turned to kate side and his girlfriend tried to do that thing. Oh, but I love you come back to my side They've already done it in gen v where the love interest of the character tries to get him back over Yeah by

[01:22:55] You know proclaiming her love to him and it didn't work for sam The fact that in this episode kameeco and frenchie got together Had their kiss there's nobody more important in the world to each other than them

[01:23:08] You would think in another show that means that kameeco can stand in front of frenchie in future and go But I love you come back to me They've already done it. They've already tested that on kates powers and that doesn't break kates powers

[01:23:20] Yeah, no, so interesting just to note that that Even though we've seen the two of them come together That's not going to be what breaks frenchie eight of the thrall of kate next season. It'd be something like killing kate does

[01:23:32] Yeah, potentially. Yeah, literally. Yes taking her arm. Uh again. Yeah And great to have mother's milk knocked down by love sausage as well in the airport. Um, yeah Who else but mother's milks? Uh nemesis In the love sauce he is his nemesis

[01:23:51] Is it you know it adds to that joke of the uh, the person that his wife was was sleeping with the the um The homelander fan Where everybody was slagging him off because he clearly has a much bigger member than mm is the joke that they keep saying

[01:24:04] That's why she left mm and went to this uh, this home Homelander supporter and here we have love sausage coming in and uh, he's the one that captured mm So there's definitely a size thing with mm

[01:24:16] It definitely is and and a purell hand sanitizer thing because yeah, it's just like It's I don't even think the fact that it is a love sausage that beats him down It's the germs on that love sausage and the need to the ocd need to be sanitized

[01:24:37] and clean It could be it could be so funny. Uh then finally we have uh, hewie and hewie and annie Getting blocked in the middle of the road as a boat has dropped right in front of them on the road

[01:24:49] And some members of the secret service come in and take hewie away. Um while syndy Character we haven't seen from season two returns. Uh last time we saw her She was hitchhiking away from the facility where lamp ladder met his end back in season two

[01:25:03] We saw her disappear and then thought she was going to be either syncing up with the seven or maybe joining the boys even Back in season two and then we never saw her again throughout all of season three and here she is back

[01:25:14] Obviously working for home lander now and capturing hewie while annie gets her powers back and flies off Uh, we're gonna scapes. Yeah, and escapes. Um, yeah, so Annie's the only member of the team that's free now along with billy

[01:25:28] Although whether he is a man's not a member of the team. No, I know I get it but like billy is not captured Yeah, I feel like what we're probably gonna get in this to write the discussions that we've had here

[01:25:38] It makes it makes a lot of sense that what we have is annie Teaming up with a train queen maith Um, yeah in the next season of the show. Uh, that's there That's the new boys team to then get the rest of our team back out of uh

[01:25:53] Of these the concentration camps, I guess for one of a better word that the homeland is going to be putting them into so Yeah, well we did hear that like all of the the superheroes the wall superheroes are now going to be essentially

[01:26:06] Military police. Yes, they're police force. So there is going to be some Push back by someone and I think they'll be the the star lighters star lighters will become a thing next season Yeah, but it sets it up

[01:26:20] So interesting. Yeah, it's effectively the superhero version of uh of ham might's tail is coming next season Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just one of the interesting things like all of these people coming back all these characters You may get this iconic kind of like

[01:26:33] Push between like all of these super you may get almost like a civil war Marvels where you're gonna have good versus bad superheroes go face to face and you'll it's The boys have made amazon had a lot of money. I think they could probably offer up

[01:26:51] It's like hey, you're gonna get one major scene in the finale of The season of your last season go for this go all out Get your infinite get your end game moment. There you go. Could be it. You're gonna have all of them rushed together

[01:27:05] I think that would be very cool Yeah, that would be very cool if we had Tons and tons of superheroes on screen or soups on screen on either side. That would be cool Hundreds of them exactly like like on camera civil war. Yeah

[01:27:19] It'd be really cool to see them all together in that final season And it seems like bringing that this many, you know Extra characters back at the end of the scene It's possibly a good setup for that next season

[01:27:30] But between now and then we have gen v season 2 which will have its own storyline I'll probably play into this as well, which would be very interesting to see Very excited to see what to do with that with gen v season 2

[01:27:40] And anybody have any other points or notes from the episode anything we haven't talked about that you'd like to talk about? I have one that I completely forgot to mention. Of course a massive moment kameko

[01:27:51] Speaking and saying her first words on screen. She actually know as a French. She's dragged away. Um, oh, yeah I completely forgot about that. Yeah That that didn't even register with me didn't register certainly register

[01:28:04] I just forgot to say it on the podcast. Yeah, but in my notes. Don't forget to mention this and when I went through my notes I just saw oh, yeah, don't forget to mention that Zoe the daughter of of victorian human

[01:28:16] Ends off life exactly where victorian humans started When yeah back in red river. So Um, so that's a bit sad when when victorian human with nadia hidden in red river and now Zoe's ending up back there. That's pretty bad one very quick one for me Sean carlo espacito

[01:28:34] His character is still on the loose. That's right. Yeah Will he how much will stanet could come in now particularly? That vic is dead. Yeah. Yeah Victoria's no more and they both wanted For her daughter not to end up and have a better life

[01:28:53] And that was a particular thing. So it's good to be interesting. Who will he blame as well because in effect Yeah, it's billy butcher that killed her but it's homelander that outed her as well Which kind of that snowball? I guess he'll be

[01:29:10] It's both of you but um, yeah Stan Edgar versus billy butcher and homelander right there. Yeah, well, you never know could be Imagine it though. I can imagine it like he's got the most connections from being you know the former head of force so

[01:29:28] He knows how to play the game. Yes. He does. Yes. He does that will be the three armies in the battle of the three armies season Good stuff. Um anything else left? Uh, john No, nothing from me. Okay. I've got one last one

[01:29:40] I was saving this for the end because just it made me laugh as a supernatural fan because we have Uh, Robert singer president Robert singer fans of supernatural know that the character is named after the character of bobby singer

[01:29:51] From play by jim beaver the same actor in uh in supernatural Um, but they did get to cram in his two best catchphrases ones heard for about 12 seasons of the show

[01:30:02] Where president singer here is playing his playing his golf and calls out the words it just and balls multiple times Things you would hear often going into ad breaks of super natural you'd hear

[01:30:14] bobby singer calling someone an idiot or just saying balls as the uh, the big plot of the bad guys is revealed So I love that they squeezed them in here because we haven't had a huge amount of Robert singer

[01:30:24] He'd been in the background as the presidential run has been going on But uh, but as we saw a bit more of in this episode why not squeeze in his catchphrases, huh? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely nice of Eric to do that. Absolutely. Absolutely guys

[01:30:37] What did you think of the episode overall? Uh, chris, what's your final thoughts on season four episode eight assassination run? I loved it. I really enjoyed how it set everything up. I enjoyed how they wrapped everything um

[01:30:51] And I will credit john on this it is very much your empire strikes back ending like the boys everything is in The low it's the lowest that they they have failed their present reports to homelander essentially now Sage's plan worked. They're all on the run or captured

[01:31:12] Like everything that they wanted is no more And you even get a high for a moment with frenchie and chimico And that stripped away They brought everything down to hopefully build through this crescendo for next season And i'm just amazed that they did so much and this episode

[01:31:33] This season really just It was fantastic writing some amazing direction and yeah, absolutely really enjoyed it. Yeah That's some of the performances this season. Look, oh, yeah Didn't even didn't even call out um, eramori arty here playing both the roles of the shapeshifter and annie

[01:31:50] Scenes against each other and they're so much different and That's such great characters having That that vicious version of eramori arty playing the shapeshifter are really attacking annie january where she lives, you know about her believing

[01:32:05] She's better than uh than everybody else in the world the way she played both roles. I thought was fantastic Um, she doesn't get enough praise in the show But eramori arty is is absolutely one of the stars of the show. She's she was fantastic

[01:32:17] So uh, low is a great performance this season. I'm totally with you chris I think i really liked season four And i love now that we have a final season season five and i was announced early enough to know that we

[01:32:29] This wouldn't be the end. They're not waiting for you know Building something up to wait for the show to be renewed. I think they did a great job setting up The bigger story of this universe and what's happening here

[01:32:40] Homelander was more evil than ever having the most intelligent person on earth Sage being at his side made him even more Damaging to the world and yeah, every everything seemed ramped up and elevated this season loved it

[01:32:54] So hoping they can really nail the landing in season five of the boys And john how about yourself? What's your what's your final thoughts on this episode? Um, yeah, same I really enjoyed this episode give it four and a half murder boners

[01:33:10] Five you do get the sense that Season five, you know It'd be nice if it was coming along a little quicker Okay, I know we've got gen v in between but I think that'll be good because in effect that is this continuation

[01:33:25] I think it'll be interesting to see if The the boys that have been captured are in close proximity to those gen v characters that are also In custody I could see that. Um, but so really like that whole thing

[01:33:41] I I liked how this kind of was left really with Vought homelander Leading it triumphant effectively Leading the country That most of the people don't know what's going on don't realize the whole premise for this

[01:34:02] I love the the whole going after the deep state starlight is you know, just all this made up stuff and being Inspired by true life. Well and being inspired by true life, but it's just It's it's the waste of energy that it is like it's just so good

[01:34:20] I love the the continuous humor through all of this Episode as well. I like the light touch with frenchie and camico um I do like the fact that in a sense the boys has kind of Gone belly up not just because they've been captured but billy butcher is

[01:34:39] effectively off on his own uh Run at the moment. So I this was just really really good. Um, and quite down as well because of where it was left Yeah, especially when you think you know the end of season three you had

[01:34:56] Pretty much they'd combatted stormfront. It felt, you know There was some positivity there. I just this just feels oh no, okay Not not a chance the deep getting worse um black noir effectively Realizing is true length. I guess um with the attack on and the murder

[01:35:21] That's that's happening. So um, yeah, I love this four and a half murder burners out of five for me Excellent stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's just been such a such a good season

[01:35:31] We have one last point of business for the episode guys. I think we need a drink After this season we need to go for a beer. Definitely. It's so roasting at the moment in this podcast room. Um, I definitely need to drink

[01:35:45] But fellow boys and girls fellow quizzes It is the finale question for this the boys season four pub quiz Pulp of Aestol pour yourself a drink And we will get into question eight which was posed actually by the deep in this episode What is Ashley's last name?

[01:36:08] Can anybody do it without looking it up on IMDb? I could I must have best I got her name immediately But I did think it was quite funny. That's uh, all of them are sitting around having worked with Ashley for so many years and going What's your surname?

[01:36:22] John, what's the question one last time? Sorry The question is what is Ashley's last name and by Ashley. I mean the CEO of what not the other Ashley Who came to a gruesome grizzly end as the hands of black noir? Absolutely, that's it

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[01:38:45] We've got the final season of umbrella academy coming out in august thing It's august eight but um myself and john have kind of a big date going up in august

[01:38:51] So i'm not sure exactly whether whether we're going to be able to podcast about some brother academy before or after that Why because that's special because if we do we'll be getting a divorce as quickly as we're getting

[01:39:05] Marry's fellow boys and girls which is 20 years so that's not too much It's a long podcasting No, we're not we're not going to be podcasting around the time of our wedding But we will we will I'm sure cover the final season of umbrella academy at some point

[01:39:22] But yeah, yeah, we are looking forward to the big day Finally tying the knot and finally getting married after all these years Oh, it's like you're talking about the big day of the final season of umbrella

[01:39:32] That's not it but I am looking forward to umbrella academy. I can't just not as much as the wedding Yeah, exactly. Just it can have to just be put on hold. Exactly. Yes I think i'm sure our fellow our fellow fans of umbrella academy will understand

[01:39:48] I've always loved that show. Yeah, um, I love the umbrella academy Yeah, yeah, so looking forward to talk about that and of course We will be back with gen v in the future and the final season of the boys when that comes out as well

[01:40:00] Thank you so much to all of our fellow boys and girls for joining us this season but with all that fellow and just just boys and girls And brolly dollies in the future Exactly. Oh brolly dollies. Is that becoming back and you acolytes? I can't really acolytes

[01:40:15] We're gonna need for one night for that one off episode. What do we call them? Just star wars fans. I think Yeah Star one star wars acolytes. Yeah, we'll figure it out. John will have one by the time we have fellow rebels

[01:40:28] But I guess we need fellow acolyte fellow batchers for the bad batch We'll work it fellow hot sith people. I guess We will workshop that between now and then but from all of us at tv podcast industries

[01:40:44] We will speak to you soon. We'll speak to you next week And Thank you so much. We'll see you too. Thanks so much for joining us, Todd, to get next up Yes, thanks so much fellow boys and girls for joining us until the Roundup episode I guess

[01:41:00] Keep watching keep listening and watch out for that love sausage in the pub bathrooms. Bye