The Boys Podcast Season 4 Episode 7

[00:00:00] This is the Boys Podcast on TV Podcast Industries, and we're talking about Season 4 Episode 7, The Insider You killed Webweaver? Did you think he was the league? He was a junkie who'd confessed to Neil and Christ on the cross if a guy at home was next fix

[00:00:19] I was very clear, no, more secret But A3n only leaked exactly, the information I wanted Blitcher and his team to know He was the perfect misinformation delivery system until now This was all part of the plan

[00:00:37] Okay, you'd done. Go back to your little litter box and Detroit and die alone You promised me he would listen to me You're lucky I'm not sending you home in a bucket Fine, surround yourself with people like her

[00:00:55] And you can systematically eliminate anyone who gets in your way, but there's one person you will never Ever defeat, good luck without me Welcome back fellow Boys and Girls to TV podcast industries and the Boys Podcast

[00:01:36] We're here talking about Season 4 Episode 7, The Insider, which of course is the Penultimate episode for this season of the Boys I am one of your host John I'm your other host Derek and the insider as was episode title for the boys after last week's episode

[00:01:55] Any words have gone absolutely any work Not yet large intestines small intestine We've seen a lot of other big sides No, I have a lot of other things You name lots of other calories too. Yeah, yeah, but it does refer to the member of the

[00:02:11] Saffron that's the insider Yeah, who they're looking for so and of course this is a spoiler-filled podcast So if you don't know the insider is just yeah, I'll make sure you watch the episode before we go on

[00:02:20] That is true yeah, because I'm without to spoil it because speaking of a train I think he speaks for everyone when he says who prints out boarding passes anyway What are you 86 here? And I do agree with him However

[00:02:39] Coming from the era of paper and printing stuff out It was always to begin with from an electronic point of view have you back up? in paper form yeah, and there are many times when I'm like, I hope my mobile phone doesn't Absolutely

[00:02:56] Have George before I like manage to scan it. Yeah, many times we've gone on late flights like when you're when you leave your hotel at you know 10 a.m. and you're flying a 10 p.m

[00:03:06] And you're going oh my hope my phone lasts 12 hours. I can't play my games for too long on my phone Absolutely agree with they train but I do also

[00:03:16] Have a soft spot for those me like that and what is doing yeah, don't you get it? I get it But before we get into this week's episode let's have a chat about some of the feedback on last week's episode from our wonderful fellow boys and girls

[00:03:31] Yes, let us get into our feedback section for episode six last week's episode just a quick reminder for all you fellow boys and girls You can send in your thoughts there is observations comments

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[00:04:24] You don't have our postal address so you can send us any of the But let's start it with John in Chicago and his email John yes

[00:04:32] John in Chicago says hi all has anyone pointed out that Jeffrey Dean Morgan also played an invisible character in grace and asked me He was Catherine Hygall's dead love interest in quite a few episodes I believe it was the first place

[00:04:47] I noticed him because he's quite charming in that run Anyway, that is what immediately jumped to mind when Chris suggested he may not actually be real to anyone outside of butcher I wonder if the casting choice was a nod to that character John from Chicago

[00:05:05] It very may well be but certainly quickly and has employed Jeffrey Dean Morgan quite substantially on supernatural in the past so there is the there is previous collaborations there between the two Absolutely and and I would say it's probably that but you never know quickly may have also

[00:05:28] Sposism on grace and ask me I saw him point I think he might have maybe written the character towards us from guys anatomy I've never seen that in grace anatomy, but I do remember when Jeffrey Dean Morgan came on as negan and the walking dead

[00:05:38] There were two schools of people that knew JDM and it was either You knew him from grace anatomy as this lovely character who was really sweet and really charming or you knew him from supernatural as the kind of

[00:05:50] gruff hunter who was the father to the two boys and they were searching for him or working with them

[00:05:55] Through expert actually so he even knew him from those two roles and wondering whether he could be able to play this really evil character in negan in the walking dead

[00:06:04] Was where everybody came to it from especially after grace anatomy. You only knew him from there and then you saw the negan in the walking dead You probably were like I kind of New him from supernatural things actually. Yeah, yeah, me too

[00:06:19] But yeah, this is a great pickup that John and I didn't Realize that he'd had how you played an invisible character as well over there and we got the big reveal the end of episode six

[00:06:28] That he isn't real that he's inside the head of Billy but sure as well. Yeah definitely thanks John Thanks John name as well of course of course Coffee and vodka senses email about last week's episode he said greetings fellow one percent or defenders

[00:06:41] A thousand times wow the decades old illusions of fanfic Batman and spider-man finally brought to the small screen Where as disturbing as they were entertaining the first standout whoever it was Colby minifee as this season Ashley's finally been let off the leash to go as seemingly off-script

[00:06:59] Batch it as she'd like the second was Huey is breaking at the end of the episode was as Anywhere the as Anthony Star as episode four performance as to the social commentary the criminal just a system as an extension of the

[00:07:09] Slavery it's always been and the banter of the one percent or attendees off Stopping there before this breaks out into the novel but just a couple of episodes to go and predicting the cliffhanger to end all cliffhires this season

[00:07:21] Five cinematics safe words cake hole geniuses and chemical book hunts out of five piece and take care coffee in vodka And then we mentioned last week the way kameko is communicating

[00:07:33] Using all the book titles no I don't think he is a fair of books that that should go It was very good yeah, it's very good because she does tend to if she wants to expedient a conversation

[00:07:42] She'll tend to type it into a fun one which didn't have access to but thank god you had a good live Yes, it may have taken quite a bit long Exactly, it's for the children Yes, they're really really really good and

[00:07:55] And you're totally right. Yeah, Huey's performance was really really good Colby minifee in this show I remember we watched her for the first time back in season one of Jessica Jones and she was playing a really really

[00:08:06] Irritating character in that show and I remember when we were commenting on on the character it was like I'll go to wish you just wouldn't be on screen anymore actually is a really annoying character, but I absolutely love her on screen

[00:08:18] And they were pointing at him behind the scenes stuff That's that's available on the x-ray on on prime video that had a conversation where they were talking about her performance

[00:08:25] Where when she's kicked out of the of the sevens room when she's in there too long for meeting a home-lander kick-sur-age That she basically spent about five minutes dropping things on the grand and making a really awkward exit to the room to the point that

[00:08:39] I have to eventually added it then but she just had this whole Interplay of how awkward this character would be being kicked out of a room because she's supposed to be the CEO of the company

[00:08:49] But is terrified of her life at all times so she's like dropping a pen dropping a book picking it up Trying to make a way out there silently and easily but still annoying the hell out of home-lander

[00:08:58] And they just said this is a performance that comes directly from Colby Manifing much like most of the other people in the show have brought their own Personality of the character she really has developed into someone that's so worth watching every every episode

[00:09:10] There lover. Oh absolutely I think Colby Manifing is absolutely super love the character I can just sense I would be exactly the same yeah that whole Timmy CEO with this powerful Psycho in home-lander like that's whole thing

[00:09:30] Montanishrodnesso be and sort of in the tech cave not that side of her but I think she'll just place it really really well But you kind of get the feeling that she'll see of any other company that didn't involve soups

[00:09:43] Having the ability to cut her in half with their eyes that she probably be a very powerful character in those situations Not that Timmy but in comparison to what they're doing to people she's very timid and in comparison to them

[00:09:54] Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly good stuff. Thanks Colby and Vodg Love the old out of five as well. That's always good stuff. Yeah, also on email Mary will say is another boys episode gone by a more trauma for old healing firecracker

[00:10:11] May want to change her name to mothers milk after this episode. Good god that scene Happy fourth indeed I think Anthony stars reaction was 100% his real reaction

[00:10:24] The first so they kept it in a trains redemption is coming together really nicely and he's definitely not making it out of this season Prediction love the dynamic between Newman and Sage head-not-seen Vodg hilarious and let's not forget the star of the episode Derek Wilson as tech night

[00:10:45] He really captured this perfect balance of depravity and titlement and sadism in a way that made you a afraid of what he'll do But also intrigue of what insane thing he'll do next and how many holes it'll involve

[00:11:01] And the Elijah situation definitely involve tech night family owning him from back in the day He pretty said so in the scene with a train but just going through it as always home Under has finally achieved his dream in an earlier episode

[00:11:18] Frenchy had found some medication in firecrackers trailer So this must have been what that was about what hilarious is it Sage made this exact suggestion to Ashley to get in good with home lander

[00:11:33] 4 1 1 half rip off spidey outfits with a safe word out of five excellent stuff maril really completely agree with your Lovely out of five that really good stuff and yeah, I think a tech night I mean even in gem v really kind of good

[00:11:51] He came in just for that kind of main episode really And he really nailed it. I think you're right did the same here just Both a combination of depravity as you say, but just like shock horror the sadism everything

[00:12:09] Even having actually involved you know so so good and yeah, Anthony stars reaction Really good as well apparently it was almond milk. Yes, and so there we go. We never drinking that again

[00:12:22] Yeah, that'll be a big reminder of what happens and that's being definitely and love the net the head nodding scene The between new and sage as well so so good definitely definitely and and maril that's a really good pull of

[00:12:36] The Elijah situation developing from tech night's family potentially Having his family a slave is way back in the day and and keeping him yeah on board there and kind of again

[00:12:45] Explains when Elijah finds out the truth of what's gonna happen that that's why he takes a tech night He probably thinks oh well, it's not too bad. He's just doing SNM where people that are into it So I can take care of that

[00:12:57] Boss when he finds out how bad it's gone It's suppose You can understand why Elijah would take it all in him. Yeah, absolutely yeah great stuff. Thanks, Maril Over on our Facebook group at facebook.com slash TV podcast industries Heather Wallace said I don't want to think

[00:13:12] About most of what happened to that episode so I'm just gonna focus on crispy and write the castler was the Figma of butchery brain tumour the maril quantity of will butcher set genocide emotion and wanted to hold chemical for having no where else to go

[00:13:26] Yes, at least there were other things to focus on in the episode absolutely for you Absolutely good stuff thanks Heather Dr Bob Phillips said I've never thought about the pharma kinetics of rectal mid-azolem the challenge of induced lactation

[00:13:44] All the problems of laundering's ones gimp suit before this episode Savage satire back and taking crowbar heavy swings at anything within reach almost not quite too hard to watch Interesting good stuff thanks Dr Bob. I totally understand you know it's I guess you either

[00:14:08] Lean into the humor, but oh, it's just like what what's going on? Yeah, yeah, and it is a fine balance at this show Generally pulls off with a plum and yes, I think there are certain episodes such as hero galsom and this

[00:14:25] Inclusive that you know, I'm not gonna be to everyone's cup of tea. Yeah, cup of milk Absolutely, I'd dr Bob really well done, you know what they say you go low week a lie

[00:14:40] In this case we normally go low when we're trying to explain something that we're not allowed to talk about on a PG-ish podcast like we do you always go high and bring in the the excellent medical terminology for the things we're all able to talk about

[00:14:51] It's an in depth Let's say so and so well done Thank you for that Thanks Dr Bob Joe her was most people guessed about Joe, but it was still a pretty good revelation from butchers perspective

[00:15:03] Not loving this season though harder to watch than usual. I think it would benefit from shorter episodes Interesting, that's not something that generally say about about the boys What they do seem very long they're cram a lot into the episodes, you know

[00:15:16] I would say looking at the timing of them you probably could have 10 error long episodes But we're getting a use our intent meditation Yeah, I mean I think earlier on I definitely thought there was a tonal shift in

[00:15:30] The show yeah for this season and I think that might still be there. I think yeah for episode six It's almost back with hero galsom. I think I think The lightness of the humor doesn't seem to go between the big

[00:15:45] Points of humor yeah like it you suit I think actually is one of the main carriers of that Where everything she does is humorous, you know the same way with hewy would have been In in past seasons where I think his arc this season

[00:16:03] Same with any train. You know quite heavy. I'm coming going French you know their relationship had generally had some of the Funnier moments in the season the things they have to deal with and the things they have to fight against put here

[00:16:14] They've been much more serious, but I do think you're right. It's this season seems to be a kind of a Crypte and the team are going Listen, I know this is a superhero show, but there's another possibility that this guy will get the like to

[00:16:26] Again this year and this is the kind of thing you gotta look forward to those opinions behind the scenes Are coming back to the forefoot again so yeah just listen to it

[00:16:34] So I think there's a bit more aggression because it's a year of an election as well as everything else Thanks Joe. Thanks Joe Dead Mr. Riders says Newman didn't use her powers the farm because she's with the secret service

[00:16:44] And they don't know that she's a soup actually only uses an urgency to save Stan but there's so much chaos that no one notices

[00:16:51] If she does it actually I'm in the open then she'll be discovered as a soup and then has to go and kill every person from the secret service That's with her and that's just a lot of paper paper where come how all your secret service people died

[00:17:03] That's a really good point Mr. Riders We were wondering about why she didn't use her super is just in case a reminder for those even they not have heard that Yep, everyone who watched it and used her super is on the attacking cheap we were saying you know

[00:17:15] She would probably be safe of everybody ran in all different directions because she could Blow up their head spot if she's in front of the secret service people those that are laughed

[00:17:25] Couple and got murdered by the sheep and then yeah, I guess she did more I just I myself as a Then could call that Davis yeah, all right and on episode six

[00:17:34] David Mr. Riders says episode six is are for the boys first was here got hero gazzam then this It was a weird interesting episode but was also fun nothing more nothing. That seems like they gave the rice

[00:17:44] These amperesus a blank check and said don't spend it all in one place It seems like a bridge to the season finale lighten things up and walk you over the head and episode seven eight

[00:17:53] I gasped when sage took one to the dome but it makes sense that her brains regenerate so fast that she doesn't die

[00:17:59] They dropped a little gems here and they're threat through it the season so far about that I enjoyed this also can we say the chemical has got to be the second best

[00:18:06] Actor after homelander that seemed when she goes back to the prison. She says so much for that saying a single word She is a starman I have to say it's so interesting character. I'm playing playing

[00:18:19] Camico as a person that doesn't talk at all throughout these last three and half seasons and she does get across so much emotion It's so weird to see her being interviewed and she has she's very variable very very

[00:18:33] eloquent which she speaks and talks and she just channels that through this character who's Have we had any voice at all throughout the seasons but it's so good on screen Definitely know exactly as Heather says you know the moments in that episode where you're going

[00:18:46] I feel so bad for what she's have to go through and you're definitely she's just getting across through first I'm like I'm and same as yourself David you know I kind of did gasp when sage took the bullet to the head and then it was like immediately

[00:19:00] Just remembering what had been kind of sort of laid out previously I was like okay, she might not die in the end so I was even though the blow to was pouring out I was like okay It became a bit more 50 50 but still I was like

[00:19:15] Whatever about doing a controlled lobossomy That was a Gunshot to the head. Yeah, I though it was still something quite different yeah exactly exactly so so again interesting to see And that she was able to together stuff out of a butter again

[00:19:34] It's a it's a way against her power is I suppose the powers of of knowledge and Intelligence should run ahead and she becomes a jibbing mesh mess for a while afterwards Thanks David Mr. I said Eugene Basil Abbott says since I'm on a rewatch

[00:19:50] I wonder if the white pews are so upsetting him because his father soldier boy didn't age and neither did storm front Another reason he feels like he's been done dirty. Oh, in fact it's such a good idea Yeah, yeah, I really like that

[00:20:08] Eugene because yeah, it makes no full lot of sense because he does he wants to be loved is always Thinking about how he compares as well, you know, it's a really really interesting still

[00:20:20] Yeah, that's really interesting. So yeah, it's entirely possible that he's thinking of other dad soldier boy and why he never aged and And he's getting white peeps You know, he's pretty really feels quite hard done by as you say you know if he starts to get wrinkles

[00:20:34] Oh god, they ended the world That's true. Nice true. Excellent stuff. Thanks Eugene. Yeah, and finally over on Facebook Scott My connoida It says my question is did mothers milk know about sages regenerative brain or waslapsicill shot?

[00:20:50] He doesn't seem the kind to kill rather than incapacitate but if he knows about her healing power Then that essentially is incapacitating with possible memory loss Also, what was says doing in the library just reading or was she searching for something

[00:21:08] I think she's really a good guy and is sabotaging homey and what from the inside Excellent stuff Scott. I don't know. I felt it was more a reflex so I'm whether he was actually purposefully aiming for the head I don't know he's a good shot

[00:21:26] He's trained and can do all that so maybe he was absolutely but he was also taken by surprise so By the fact that she was in there. I know she was really driving him Yeah, as well by what she was saying to him now. I don't know though

[00:21:42] I would say I know mothers milk as a character is not gonna grant and killed someone in a sense

[00:21:46] But the mission of the boys is a team and he's the leader of this team the mission the boy as a team is to take down and kill as many soups as possible

[00:21:54] Sages and innocent here. She's the factively the one that's been giving home land or his brand new plan So given the opportunity I think mothers milk would take a kill shot on On sage I don't think he knows about the healing paris because that's something that yeah

[00:22:08] would be very unusual for anybody outside to know so I think he is trying to take a kill shot or I think he takes a kill shot after Being pushed over the edge and then his reaction to it is the packet hack

[00:22:17] You know so again again. I mean kind of know about it from this episode which we'll talk about later on that The safety of his family is a paramount important still and she's pushing that with him. She's telling him

[00:22:27] We're gonna kill what you were gonna kill your kids or I've disappointed they're gonna be if you do you do you know so he's He's being driven to a pretty dark point but the whole mission of the boys has always been

[00:22:38] Take down the soups and kill them. Yeah, absolutely yeah. Do you think that syssaage has the potential to become a good guy Whether she's been there sort of as a plan sabotaging all the way through and not entirely sure But I think she's always got her

[00:22:54] Out plan yes and and that includes to blow everything up in the face of vault and Homeland as well like I do think that conversation she had when Newman was true

[00:23:06] What she talked to base yeah, you know people stopping her from curing cancer because it wasn't right for them and she was like They're just humans. I'm a I'm a soup. I've got the abilities that I have and they wouldn't trust me

[00:23:19] So and I think she does look down on people just like home that it does agrees yeah, and I think in terms of what was she doing in the library and know they were wondering where the likes of

[00:23:30] Ashley and Technite had gone so maybe she was just searching for that Or maybe she was just wandering around the house because Yeah, otherwise she was having to be in the presence of those one percentage. That's what you know So I it

[00:23:46] Not entirely sure but I feel she was just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time because she was searching for Technite and with with the whole thing going on think that might have been it

[00:23:57] You might have it. Brilliant stuff. Thanks everybody for your feedback remember you can email us two feedback Act TV podcast industries.com with your thoughts about episode seven and about episode eight courts We'll talk about episode seven thoughts on next week's episode and of course

[00:24:09] We will be doing our usual wrap up of the boys where we give you the answers to old book Questions and our final feedback on episode eight That you will be sending into us hopefully

[00:24:18] But it's been great to hear all your thoughts on episode six. It was a wild old episode. Doesn't it? Absolutely yeah good stuff. Thanks fellow boys and girls and to all the feedback from you good stuff

[00:24:30] Let us get into our spoiler filled discussion for this week's episode episode seven the insider happy Christmas John Absolutely come back every year every year gets early. You're doing that The disturbing avenue queue absolutely avenue v yeah as they said here and then Christmas special

[00:24:53] Where you snitch on your parents your relatives your friends 11th center if he's going against Vosses a Tifa could be anyone even your mom and dad That's the same yeah, yeah and the best Christmas Carol ever of course report that greener Just awful awful stuff

[00:25:12] Yeah, let's get into it the episode yes Derek what are some of the episode details for episode seven the insider? Well, of course sure what I'm gonna show is Eric Kripke and this was based on the complex series by a guard and us in director

[00:25:25] Robinson the executive producers for the show are chef Rogan and Evan Goldberg This episode was written by Paul Gray long and he also wrote the penalty episode of season three here comes the

[00:25:33] Candle to light it a bit and so he's doing the penultimate episode of two seasons in a row Right, yeah, I guess he knows how to pull everything together. I guess he is a producer on the show

[00:25:41] Of course and one of the one of the members of the writers room for the boys, but I guess he's the person that they like to set up The pins to knock them down in episode eight usually

[00:25:50] Yeah, he's one like came up with the that that point and everyone else has spread it out must be something like that own pictures Yes, the rest of the episodes

[00:25:58] Yeah, be that way around as well could be good be the episode is directed by Katrina Kenzie. This is our first episode of the boys But she did previously direct on supernatural with her Kripke and we did discuss her earlier on this year when we discussed

[00:26:12] Echo she directed excellent episode three of echo two-clope Which was that excellent episode that went back into the far distant past of the ancestors of echo Very cool episode and I'm a big fan seen in the in the bowling alley to keep the bowling metaphor going

[00:26:27] But really good actually. I mean echo just seems like a real Echo now it seems like a cage is going yeah, the she seems to have flown and maybe because of the lack of marble shows this she's just it feels

[00:26:44] Like I haven't been reminded of echo yeah, look at it as much. It's mid July We'd usually have done probably three marvellous in two movies and all we're doing we did echo earlier on this year

[00:26:53] Which I'll come at the day and we'll be covering data will versus Wolverine which comes out I don't know and Wolverine sorry which comes actually later this month So, and that's all our marvellous content until I can tell along let's go play in September

[00:27:06] So not much content this year but great to have actually Mackenzie over here directing an episode of the boys Absolutely okay, so John do you want to tell us what they gave us with the synopsis four Season four episode seven the insider sure

[00:27:20] It's the Avenue V Christmas special join host Ryan and the puppet seven as they teach the kids at home How to spot traces to America and report them to the authorities elsewhere in Vortarra homeanda is frustrated with sages apparent like a progress in finding

[00:27:38] Whoever is leaking information to the boys so he and firecracker decide to hunt down the leak themselves Meanwhile Frenchy and kimiko struggle with how to live with themselves after all the horrible things They've done in their pasts

[00:27:54] Well those milk has to make an impossible decision stay with his family or help save the world and put your Huey and Annie uncover the final plan to kill Bob Singer

[00:28:07] Yes, and they're fastest to the plan there's always a little more to go with no yeah and these plans Yeah, and you know writ large in this episode they're still talking about Trump in case

[00:28:17] You didn't know the shooting's gonna happen on an inauguration day January 6th of course Like the riots that happened back in January 6th which is now addation in for me and Not only that we also have home lander being told to sell NFTs

[00:28:31] Standing in a lot of poses that were in the The Trump NFTs that he self-diswell, so yeah, the show is really just going hello Do you know we're talking about wrong? The knowledge

[00:28:46] Yes, exactly and but yes enough of the politics even though it is in but through yeah These episodes are really even tough more about it Let us get on to almost interesting moments of

[00:28:58] Episode seven of the boys at first up is our boys moment all the protagonist moment We will Oil a jump what's your protagonist moment for lips it? Well, I'm gonna be controversial here because it's actually introducing a new protagonist really here

[00:29:16] That don't think we've ever spoken about as the main protagonist or the boys moment Which is a train yes a train is the insider here. He has been on quite a speedy journey Yes, yeah Throughout the boys and from snor thing he is a girlfriend

[00:29:38] to seemingly being kind of fairly blouse a about his and Gradually and sort of I guess becoming conscious of what the seven does What his position in the seven is yeah the loss of His brother and the injuries was brother so all these different things culminating in

[00:30:00] Seeing a train as the inside and really I'm bringing that to the big fight scene in and the boys had courses in the flat iron and

[00:30:13] Having both black noir and the deep realize that he is at least a traitor and they do make the leap that you are The leaker yes, exactly and so I first of all I thought the actual Fight was really really good. Oh, yeah

[00:30:34] Again, you know having these characters deep and And black noir being dispatched as I get the boys are kind of going someone to gonna die here Right there someone's gonna die in the scene. Yeah, and you know and it's interesting

[00:30:45] Seeing soup on soup action just like how indestructible they are really I mean even after a fair amount of beating but I do kind of like how This plays out you know He trains really I've never liked you to the deep absolutely

[00:31:03] Always kind of rub me up the wrong way There is the realization that black noir is not the black noir that they know because he can fly and be he's speaking

[00:31:12] And also because he has not knock a lap see as he falls asleep right in front of Billy but But yeah, they go straight after star ice and Billy but show who are yeah in the headquarters of the boys and I kind of like

[00:31:27] Initially the deep going you know but just giving it all to the deep in is like I can't even understand what you're saying And then you know the deep is I don't understand or respect your truth to starlight

[00:31:42] Really got beef these two so absolutely no home under sent his And his dogs into do his dirty work here But ultimately they are rescued by a train and but he has outed as that leak and I kind of like I kind of like the previous

[00:32:04] Set up to sort of in a sense for shadowing his Arrival here And it is where a trains telling mothers milk actually to stay in the fight because mothers milk

[00:32:17] It's thinking of taking that flight with his family to go to safety, you know and he's the you think Fort or homeland aren't coming for you Where are you going to go I'm glad you know you're gonna have to just keep moving everything around

[00:32:35] Takes like that always gonna find you. Yes, I kind of like the fact that in a sense this For shadows the decision he's made to become a Hero yeah in the true sense of the words

[00:32:49] Derri says it you know an undercover member of the boys. Yeah, I'd agree with you And I kind of really liked that and I liked the after the part of it where he goes to Ashley It's really just in a sense

[00:33:01] Plead with her I think he he respects and and is grateful to the fact that she has kept their secret Secret even though it was on a trade off You know, but he goes to Ashley to say you know this is our chance to escape

[00:33:17] To get out and and she just calm which is an interesting that psychological Element to and you know it's like you were saying before about Where she's so nervous about possibly being killed but given her

[00:33:36] Envolvement with tech night in in the tech cave maybe quite like that well, yeah, and you know even though I have has previously fallen out Maybe she's learned to Enjoy that

[00:33:48] Thier in a sense because of what kind of it's in the tech cave. Yeah, or what she did in the tech cave I don't know and I'm postulating I don't know because I don't know psychology

[00:33:57] Yeah, I don't know if that would even be a thing but I find it interesting that her choices and she can't I tell you I train to

[00:34:07] To effectively go and to cut out his location ship. Yes, yeah, but I do think the fear makes your waiver and that's that's the problem She knows being in front of home under has often as she is wavering in front of him is the biggest problem

[00:34:21] That's usually what gets you killed right? So and so initially she's the one that said datering A train we can run out of here you can take me wherever we need to go. You don't even need a passport

[00:34:30] Let's go let's go kind of thing and it's only after this attack at the flat iron When his identity effectively is found a theory goes back to Ashley and says right now it's time to go

[00:34:41] I've done everything I can I try to be the hero but now we're all gonna die and you're gonna be one of them And so So she wavered them and says I have to stay But it's interesting we also learned that she fired her

[00:34:53] Her PA effectively who is the best PA she'd ever had she fired him because she didn't want him killed because again Everything in this building is unstable so and no you never know what might happen

[00:35:05] Mike bring the wrong coffee order and you get sliced in half by home ladder So to protect him Ashley does a heroic job by firing an effectively. So and so it's really interesting

[00:35:17] As you say John the the seam where they train an mm feeding in from last week's episode where I train finally Had the feeling of what it's like to be a superhero when he saved him out in life and the kid saw on there

[00:35:27] No cameras around nothing else and yeah, right trains going this is the best I've ever felt since I got my superpowers everything else was set up for me And then as you say this is why I'm sure this is why you chose him as the

[00:35:39] For the protagonist moment he has joined the boys effectively at this point He has joined their side of things at this point. Yeah, well, I mean he did it under your arrest beforehand But we had a few you know neat little moments between him and Huey

[00:35:54] You know in previous episodes I think this with with Ashley with the kids and rescuing others milk I think going back to mullers milk is got the form now. Yeah, and what it's actually a consistent part of him is actually

[00:36:11] You can see how well he's hidden it as well because you know, I think home lander when he finds out is Truly sort of taken a back and

[00:36:22] Obsessed by us and as I say whether a train ultimately survives the season who knows. Yeah, I kind of hope so Well, you got to remember when we saw season one I trim was there side by side with home lander

[00:36:37] Black and wire the deep start-out of just joins and queen mate Those were the five members of the second right that lost land plysor and they'd lost Translution that season so all of everybody that was standing beside home lander at the beginning

[00:36:50] The deep is just a bootlicker. He's not a friend of home lander by any means Black nowhere as dead Maved turn-dolum and their a trains turning on yeah, so like there's nobody left the stands besides home lander for very long

[00:37:03] He thought he had a train on his side now They'd gone through their bad time and he thought he had a train on the side so he looks genuinely hurt

[00:37:11] I agree that a train is turned on that he didn't even expect that it could be a train at this stage So that's pretty interesting I do what I quickly just talk about the fight

[00:37:21] You mentioned the fight in the flat iron, but just want to mention one of the thing I Absolutely thought this is where the deep's going to die the deep has gone through so much over the last couple of seasons all the things that he's done

[00:37:33] This is the point when Annie is really Bastering him She's told by butcher she has to leave him there. They have to get out of there before black no Arkham's back and you know net they know what the insider is they need to get out of there

[00:37:45] But I felt like this was the deep's final moment with Annie I thought so too To death with the top of the bin was not it was it? No, it was a Some flat iron basically Yeah, it was a dumbbell Yes, they wait

[00:38:02] See how often I'm in the gym To spill it yes, you know But I did really I did really feel that that's where we're gonna lose Kevin. That's where we're gonna lose the deep But I know he's a big fan favorite character

[00:38:15] I love him. I love him to be a little bit of love what's uh what the actor does as the deep But they get really really fun in the show and you couldn't you can't lose everybody no

[00:38:23] There will be loads people will lose by the end of next season. I'm sure but But I thought this was his farewell Mistake and legally going to take on the boys and being such an a-hull as well

[00:38:35] I bet just yeah, oh my god that moment where he says me too is over and you lost it I'm care about your personal Personal beliefs and nobody else does to to Annie. It's just

[00:38:44] Just got come back from camp back back from that here the bad guy right And the show he has another one of the bad guys in the show. Oh big time yeah, but from a place of pure ignorance Exactly, yes, that's the deep. All right there

[00:38:58] You know, yeah, but that's my Protagonist moment is A train effectively you know really setting his stall out here and great fighters well in the flash iron really enjoyed that And I just liked how a train

[00:39:12] Bookended this fight as well with Ashley afterwards and with mothers milk beforehand You know and so I thought it was really good. Yeah Derek what's your boys moment My boys mom for the episode is is Kimiko and and Frenchy

[00:39:30] Their conversation where we finally learn why it is that Kimiko doesn't speak That she learned in her training for the terrorist organization the kid Napter the shining likes They made her fight on her first night there and told her she had to keep silent

[00:39:44] At she stayed silent throughout the fight killing the girl that she was up against and then never spoke again That is she became the silent killer from that point onwards Words just didn't come out anymore afterwards and the reason she's telling the story to Frenchy

[00:39:57] Max total sense because of the art that he's gone on to he's Accepting the murders that he's done over the years. He tried to turn himself into the cops For the murders

[00:40:06] weirdly Billy got him off from from all those murders once again because they have the connections to do that, but um He doesn't know how to accept all the things he's done and Kimiko is saying well

[00:40:17] I've done things just as bad as you we could have come together and talked about this We could have helped each other and I think genuinely telling that story to him Does help him and does help the two of them? Accept the things they've done

[00:40:31] It's not they're gonna move on and forget about them, but what are the parts of who they are? Well, it's almost a realization that what she is trying to do for him and help him is one he has been doing for

[00:40:44] Very she and very much. I love how she just lays that out and he says we knew you could always come and talk to me Go exactly

[00:40:53] You can come and talk to me. Yeah, and that's what I was trying to do where you were refusing to see me each of the times at the correct correctional institutes. I do like how that's kind of it seems to have just

[00:41:06] Leveled off their relationship a bit and brought it back because I know when they're they're watching Samir as Working on the virus you know it feels as a bit of the normal banter coming back between the two even though it's

[00:41:23] Very dark and very twisted that they kind of having some lightness Between one another. Yes, there's a little bit Frenchy trying to apologize with the stuff the stuff Telly that he gets her from which she says really cheap

[00:41:40] Rapson and some newspaper and give the two as a kind of a piece offering but it's only when they have this conversation that they're able to set themselves back up and Be side by side again and kind of make amends in some way

[00:41:53] But that does lead into what happens with Samir So he is trying to progress at the virus trying to not to make sure that it causes some kind of genocide killing every soup on the planet

[00:42:02] Everybody that has any type of company in their blood is it's even more even bigger than just any soup that's right there Everybody at would be dead and They think she has cracked it a little bit and or he's he lies and says he has cracked it and

[00:42:18] Stabs can make him in the leg with the syringe full of the virus that he's that he's been working on and Almost killing her if it isn't for Frenchy

[00:42:28] Storing off the leg off my goodness to the tune of steel my sunshine the terrible that he saw it's that terrible night And Which I was very impressed with it felt like something out of an egg or write movie where he's going

[00:42:42] He's selling back and forth in time to the song every really felt like I felt like something from from shot of the dead I felt really visceral Soring and there is now mentioned the stuff toy that Frenchy gave to Camico and because she's holding

[00:42:56] Nast try and focus on something else It's just getting more and more covered and blood as he's sewing through the leg Yeah, but he does manage to save I mean it's the classic zombie by it's walking down

[00:43:08] It does manage to solve the leg off before the virus has Travels and and spread yeah the leg I was wondering whether later on we were almost going to get kind of a dead pool moment with a little stupid sort of sort of sort of feeble kind of

[00:43:26] Semi with it sort of growing back later Yeah, I wonder cuz they did it with the arm with her arm growing back over around the season doing a twice in the season

[00:43:34] I guess I guess we could have I think it would have worked in my head. I knew that's what was going to happen That should be walk around with her with a crutch for a few hours or days while here like grew back

[00:43:43] So maybe we'll get a next episode actually on the future Well, the thing is with Semiya escaping as butcher says it's now for Frenchy so extract and incubate this virus from Camico's infectors like now. Yeah, and he should be able to do it if

[00:44:00] Semiya was able to get it from and Sheeps head that's true. Yeah, yeah, I don't believe say it's from Camico's infected GAM and I took me a second even knowing

[00:44:10] Even knowing British slang. I put me a second to go oh GAM is a leg and yes, yes, that's it What we do guys helpfully Presented in an ice bucket the the virus laden leg of can be

[00:44:24] Well, but again just wouldn't tiny go the thing that I wanted to mention about this It's interesting that Semiya went through all of these motions turned on Camico

[00:44:32] And Frenchy stabs could be go with the syringe and actually that have a comical that had a conversation a couple of minutes before hand where they're gone We have to let him go right we can't do a Billy

[00:44:40] We have to do a kill. We have to let him go But I think the twist on that was he asked Frenchy this is only going to be used on home lander noss on Victoria Yeah, and

[00:44:50] Frenchy has a better for a second and where did you have course? It's only home lander It's a two long yeah, so when in fact

[00:44:55] It's most likely that the virus won't be able to kill home lander. It's most likely going to be used on human and human only Well, but should just say to them that it is gonna be on home lander and

[00:45:07] Newman yes, yeah, so he was probably right to me So read the room correctly exactly That's it that's my protagonist moment. Yeah, but good stuff Well let us move on to our seven moments or our antagonist moments

[00:45:26] Here's the real heroes. I'm the real hero so Derek what's your Seven moment I want to talk about the farewell to sage Is she lucky that she kept her head and The episode you know

[00:45:43] She's challenging from the minute she walks into that room with firecracker and the home lander Firecracker and home lander now created this special bond over the the breast milk from from master Exemple said and now firecracker is home landers new second command effectively

[00:46:01] And the only reason this has all happened is because of that bullet that went into sage brain last week taking away her powers So How firecracker has had a chance to kind of

[00:46:10] Weasel inside help lander and potentially you know sage didn't have the opportunity to tell her plan to the one Percent which was supposed to be all of this all leading up to There are big reveal of what the actual plan was

[00:46:24] So it fell to home lander fell back on his shoulders to try and explain it well I haven't been for new many wouldn't have gotten out of it. So he can't trust sage now because he has this worry that she

[00:46:34] Could lose your paradise of any stage so if he puts too much trust in her and has left on his own again Things could go back well that's it, but the trust is lost even more After

[00:46:45] Expected is revealed as the leak yeah because sage knew it the whole time and we expect you like that every wrong My season that there's no way that sage wouldn't be able to work out that the insider was a train

[00:46:56] You know, he was there the whole time. He was there every time and something happened throughout the season So every every time I piece of information leaked and what we find that is this was part of sage's plan

[00:47:05] She knew that somebody would go into leaked the information but he only let leaked to the information that she needed leaked He was the best misinformation to live for your device and you've gotten rid of him exactly. Yeah, no Column so what?

[00:47:20] Clash all down there. Yeah, exactly. So you know even I guess tech night like in a sense His penitentiaries are still there. Yeah, they're not gonna go away So the need for them You know I'm still there he wasn't

[00:47:34] Interval to that plan. Yeah, he's already given his blessing. He's probably every side of over here So yeah, it's like you know, she's kind of fairly objective about it And this is the thing with the big brain element

[00:47:47] Yeah, I'll firecracker who runs on fumes of emotion. Yes same with homeland in terms of petty ones about how big you feel Is that himself and so on yeah sage is this clinical objective

[00:48:02] Brain box yeah, and so she is that means just to fire the end and in this case Column fine justified yeah, you know And it is allowable yeah here. I think again Again, it's interesting that

[00:48:20] I do feel she's got some kind of backup plan or a way to sort of blow up the plan that homeland has yeah Which is kind of interesting. I think the other side of it is that she has been playing a game anyway

[00:48:36] Even just socially because of that great moment in the corridor as she's leaving With black noir and the deep who are coming back after the big a train fight or her where you know She she says I've been fires, you know

[00:48:53] I'm going and black noir is kind of slightly distraught Because they were at it as well Yeah, and it's just without The lobotom the action that made stuff

[00:49:07] So so funny just the idea that she had to the bottom I was yourself to have sex with the deep who she again thinks is a total idiot but didn't have to do it from black

[00:49:17] Is Larry and the deep finds out which I know is one of your points and from the other outstanding moments but you know where The deep finds this out is a really bad moment at score his relationship with unbroken

[00:49:32] He does yes, yeah, so you know I like that whole thing because the bromance between black noir and the deep you know as they'll coming back from the fight and then he's like looks it And we go She just found out so

[00:49:48] You say bromance but literally the conversation all the way up the corridor as the deep is holding his Now broken arm in his hand and the wire has got bullet wounds all over him and all they say to each other

[00:50:00] The whole way at the corridor is bro, bro, bro, and then finally when he learns about it yet It's the intonation on the bro that he saw this one years about black noir and the sage

[00:50:10] But there's one of the things I suppose that I thought was really good about the conversation on the firing I suppose sage again I'm not just killer and she's very intelligent and knows all about the plan

[00:50:20] So maybe she didn't have a plan on the bag and not sure whether she did I think her whole plan was to do The best thing she felt that could be done if you want to put soups in parer and then maybe take home land or

[00:50:33] Right afterwards cuz she's smart enough to do so, but what is important about the conversation is She's using her Massive intellect to create this incredible plan and Get home land or what he wants but home land or tell us her one of those things that I think

[00:50:50] is really interesting. It's not just about intellect. It's also about wisdom I have wisdom I was going that's actually Really good from home lander side he's telling her while your intellectual get us to a point My wisdom will take us to a much further point than just

[00:51:07] Intellect whether is wise though I don't think it's no idea I think In a sense he was talking I think he was saying in another way We don't just need hard skills. We also need soft skills. Yes, so to bring the people along what she can certainly do

[00:51:25] He'd like firecracker. He can appeal to the base emotion of People and or in do the heroic if he chooses to do it like that yeah, and I think there's a big mistake in sage Not telling him a base her plan with a train

[00:51:40] That's a big problem with the insider if she wanted to stay in home lander goodside never keep anything from She was lucky to have her head still on a shoulders with that. I mean he just say your brains your brain box

[00:51:53] And your brains are no use if they're in a book. Yeah, exactly. So I kind of liked Yeah, and isn't it interesting that his statement of you may have brains but I have wisdom

[00:52:04] Isn't as far as it went in real life which in real life the statement was we don't need scientists anymore Why do we need people trained at science to tell us this information?

[00:52:13] You can basically make it all the process. You know, so how interesting the crypt actually didn't go over that Ledge of we don't need science and we don't need intelligence and experts We need people that have wisdom and yeah, and of course that came through

[00:52:27] Covee from Trump. They also got picked up in the UK as well It did well actually so I said you know, we don't need experts like what a nightmare crazy That really really crazy and but yeah, I thought this was all really good and for my

[00:52:45] Point on the saffron. I think there's a possibly a little theory developing around Worcester say you may have gone because okay again I feel like she may have a plan but even if she doesn't she is adaptable and flexible enough to create one quickly

[00:53:07] In a given circumstance and probably more that she realizes to herself that She might have to do that right not that she necessarily has one you know, yeah, because she's Cleared enough to know that

[00:53:23] She's got to stay on the ball to read the situation because she might need to do that. I think she's Factor it in yes, as an opt. I get you. I get you. Yeah, you know, so what is your antagonist

[00:53:35] The episode you're seven members to well, weirdly it's an unnamed antagonist is a Member of the seven by very deep cover and Non-association and it is the unnamed shape shift. Yeah, it is the lea-hawy

[00:53:52] For January the 6th that is being discussed and which the boys are tracking down So I mean early on in the episode we We find out there is a shape shift

[00:54:04] Fantasticly it's really well done, but I mean I like the fact that true to the boys form the shape shift has to tear off the skin You have to get in almost the data of the person they're turning into by touching them

[00:54:20] Yeah, and that they so there's all these bloody parts down the stairs from the apartment as Huey and Starlight are chasing after The shapeshift. It was trying to kind of black it by saying they've killed my

[00:54:32] Husband and so on and then just sort of run away. Yeah, but I suppose thinking back on that moment as well I thought that was really smart of them to do it really well written scene

[00:54:44] They break into the apartment they're searching this apartment for the shoeter and for the information You find the tell they come in yeah find the documents, but they find the a train had seen sage hand over

[00:54:54] That's actually said that he's not the photograph to the boys yet, but they find a woman Coverage in blood blood around around the around the apartment. She's locked up in a wardrobe

[00:55:05] effectively word or in a wardrobe yeah, and they find her in there and she exp she says that This person broke into her house killed her husband and has been becing on her and that's why they think

[00:55:15] She isn't involved but it turns out the blood that's been everywhere is what happens with the shape shift or when each When they change shape into Whoever their changing shape into so I thought that was really smart of them to use a woman covered in blood

[00:55:28] Them thinking it's a person that's been Been treated by the shape by the shooter, but it's actually the shooter taking on a shape So but you're totally right. This is this is the boys if you're gonna have a shape shift from the show

[00:55:39] You're gonna have body parts falling off so they can turn into something else Actually it made an awful lot of sense to me the shape shift and it's almost a bit like Well, you know having to have that

[00:55:53] That sort of excruciating kind of pain a massive more for some or yeah, rather than it being almost like a fluid Move yeah, and I felt it was it was taking inspiration from Deva Cronenberg in the fly and those those types of body

[00:56:08] Are kind of movies if you have your shape shift or they gotta be falling apart. Yeah, turning into something else And it's it's true to the boys forms. I really like that. I liked and you know, they find these secret service files

[00:56:20] They show sort of the security detail for singer on the sixth and and again Now I'm starting to sort of second guess triple gas and so on because You know we know that sage new about A train with holding information from And

[00:56:40] Homeland was using him to deliver misinformation and so I'm guessing This is still part of that misinformation maybe because You know, this was all done while she hadn't been found out to be withholding that information from homeland

[00:57:00] Yeah, or is it in train effectively because ultimately what we find? Not in a train right just in general train John song looking at it like that it is Starlight who is the Lee Harvey because yeah of we see that by the end she has been taken

[00:57:23] Touched the shape shifter Yeah, has come in and locked her up and is In personating her to the point where you know she's flirting and doing Huey in the bedroom and she's taken Laptop and stuff out of the safe at at Starlight's apartment

[00:57:46] So I'm there going is this in order to ultimately If the boys don't find out that this is to have starlight as the Lee Harvey on the day Yeah, because that there the season has been very much the starlighters versus homelanders

[00:58:04] Followers so potentially yeah and that's the big Coophysage the person who has the moral high ground as the one that ends off shooting The president elect in Bob Singer

[00:58:18] And it's an interesting like you know if you take that as the potential of what's happening in the last episode You know Huey is the one that said when they learned its shape to her shifter

[00:58:26] He was going how could you possibly catch this person at the inauguration ceremony? If it could be absolutely anybody yeah, well even being absolutely anybody the one person he will not suspect It's gonna be starlight right so it's gonna be an as well the shape shifter is here

[00:58:42] Do seem to take on the knowledge and the the memories you haul The person so thinking that yeah, you know how would how would they be able to get into the safe for they should

[00:58:52] Would they the past keep but they have the past keeps it new about the The starlight around fit that we've seen and then using that as a sexy kinky starlighter yeah to have a bit of

[00:59:06] How much your father with with hearing he'll be probably sure to know and that's not what anybody done possibly But he's suspected that's why he kept the the uniform since you took it off Yeah, he's expected to use at some stage. So it's really you know, but then

[00:59:22] The final bit is is that when you see starlight chained up in the bases There is a door opening. Yes, or if it sounds like there's a door opening and I just wonder if that's sage

[00:59:37] Because she knows that this plan has gone down. Yeah, she has missing form them She knows that the plan has gone down and I'm just there then going Should now be inspired? Yeah, is this her moment to sort of spoil the plan maybe maybe and

[00:59:55] Who knows like I get I guess the conversation she may have had with the shooter was here's the documents put those in your Appartment the boys will come looking for you because we have an insider what your real plan is to go and get starlight

[01:00:07] We wouldn't need to document that effectively. You can you can remember that so yeah, so that could be something We'll see the other side of that conversation or the audio of that conversation. Yes, exactly The next time in the next episode so very good very good

[01:00:20] It is it's a fantastic idea again the boys coming up with something really interesting for this for this episode We've seen shape shifters before that in the show, but we just haven't had a main character to shape

[01:00:30] Should we see? Absolutely. Some shapes are as ship ships as kill people in the can It almost fits into you know the whole idea of the mentoring candidates as well

[01:00:40] You know, I know that's not shape shifter, but it's that someone has been so kind of brainmashed and processed and And turned That even though they are a loyal the trigger switch to change that person. Yeah, you know

[01:00:55] It feels you know in that sort of traditionally. Yeah, which is really quite good. I think But shall we move on to our other outstanding moment let's do it There was lots of explosions and and blood everywhere this episode isn't there

[01:01:16] Jail do you want to give us your other right standing moment because I think it features some of that Yes, and webweaver is split into but not anything Or shall I say webweaver is the leak? But not as huge

[01:01:32] Very and because I do think the way this was Draw and out and I think it's two things. I think it's just the absolute glee on firecrackers face it She's got it right and being homelanders good books and all this kind of stuff

[01:01:48] They've got webweaver and cast races You know he must be the leak because he knew about the party He wasn't there and I love the fact that he's so so nervous Because of homelander being there that he just keeps leaking that's web fluid that all knows

[01:02:12] That no it was almost disturbing I'm gonna say a tour boys and girls John's question for this episode was how many times that happened That's too much to where we've really told him though because I don't think it's fair to have

[01:02:24] Anybody watch that same multiple time and can't The pollution or I'd have to watch it and count the pollution or is it so we're going to happen Sometimes we've had questions for our progress, that's one of them

[01:02:37] I think as well. I know what all the outstanding moment you've got come up and it felt Roughly in the same vein as to how it was drawn out okay, and I really kind of liked that

[01:02:49] I like the fact that they went with his nervous leaking and again Okay, I mean though. Okay. It's gonna stop now. Oh, again. I really really enjoyed it. I thought it was Intrinsically grim and I think webweaver is an intrinsically grim person. Here's I think Eric Krippky must

[01:03:11] Spider-Man or the right somebody in the right of his room really just likes the param that paragon of virtue That this spider-man in Marvel comics in the same way that somebody that came up with homelander hates

[01:03:24] Superman being the power gun of virtue in the DC universe so they created homelander to be that complete opposite So and kind of thing Technite and Batman yeah, they could actually be the same well I think again I think again

[01:03:40] Technite being that different version of of Batman where you know Created it's that his whole family is involved in slavery. You know that's not something the Batman will be involved in but

[01:03:51] Interestingly as we said you have got spider-man versus Batman last episode with Huey taking on the spider-man role if you want to say that And then this episode we do have Superman versus spider-man yeah, and it doesn't go well Spider-man really really doesn't I mean

[01:04:04] You knew with all the nervous leaking That something was gonna happen and I just really didn't think he was effectively gonna be split into like Like Captain America doing his log chopping in a way really was that and I mean just seeing the

[01:04:25] I think all right the that is grief mean When Captain America is spending the log exactly but also seeing firecrackers abject horror as You know what was transpiring here and again a bit like when he sort of lazied

[01:04:43] One of Ashley's colleagues. Yeah, well he didn't actually tell them anything actually just killed him and They're just assumed that the leak has been plugged grand will kill him enough. We go and they were so so Self-satisfied yeah when sage walked in

[01:04:59] And we're telling her we killed the leak we killed webweaver And she just kind of looks than going you killed webweaver like I know with the leak is it's a train Why did you kill webweaver? It's like this this moment of them gonna look at it

[01:05:12] We didn't do the right things. So again, it's that it's that lack of intelligence and Homeland are just instantly jumping off the cliff when everything's someone has wronged him Absolutely yeah, but but you're right. I wonder whether firecracker thought he would be putting putting webweaver in prison

[01:05:28] Did she think that webweaver was the leak because she kind of said you know He will tell the anything just to get a fix you know, does she think actually webweaver isn't the leak But we can give him something to pay them for the moment

[01:05:41] I think I think or she let me on he was the person that leaked The event yes, of course yeah because he's then trying to explain or try to explain but he's fumbling over his words Why it wasn't him at the event? Yeah

[01:05:58] Because he'd effectively gotten a rehittinal deposit right. Yeah, you know, yeah, which knocked him out for two days Exactly, yeah, yeah, and I think he was also trying like this is just gonna make it worse for me

[01:06:09] So it like he was just tripping over his explanation and in the end Home under just seem to have had you know, yeah, you know, we're so yeah, yeah, yeah Well, we're in the new ones by the hands of the new of the boys universe. Yeah. Yeah

[01:06:25] Deck what's your outstanding moment? I didn't think about it But you are right there is a similarity in the scene that I chose for my other scene the episode which is Embrozius's final moments um played by the awesome Oscar-winning till the so it's

[01:06:41] As we've said throughout the scene her voice being lent to it is fantastic We did see a scene of Kevin the deep reading poetry to Embrozius early on which I thought was

[01:06:52] Relately played by till the switten and then later as he realizes he gets the the text message from And from sage to comment lobotomizer once more and then decides that it's time to say goodbye to uh two

[01:07:06] Embrozius, so they have a bit of a fight when he comes back from So sage it looked also positive before the two of them did and then And sage needs is another sort of hedge f basically and then

[01:07:23] It's also the fact that it goes south for the deep because he's now killed his former lover's life Yeah, because he thought sage is the one you know she's the one that makes me feel real. I mean completely misread this It's exactly and

[01:07:39] She's now got yeah, and then he realizes that She needed to be lobotomized for that pleasure Exhaven yeah, it wasn't real the deep It wasn't it wasn't that I'll real and yeah, you're right Kevin has just fallen for another one

[01:07:54] Mysterious and he's treated him and doesn't understand him and he could have had Embrozius who understands him perfectly well even though and was willing Is it octatons yeah, and was willing to to go with it me? She yeah, I Said her suckers could taste Sister say on

[01:08:12] She knew she didn't know she was a clever octopus. Yes, I'll land bro. She you know She grows yeah, I'm bruising and bruises. I'm bruising yes, great. I knew it wasn't I'm bruising because that is a tinned cream rice

[01:08:24] Yes, that goes the grace of a could be rice. Yeah, but um, but yes It's really the final moments of a bruises is my real point because Kevin smashes her her tank in anger when she's

[01:08:35] When she's giving age a base of their relationship with sage and then pleasure in the closet Listening to her dying gasps and I have to say again

[01:08:44] Tell this went must have had so much fun and the in the recording booth with this because it feels like I'm trying to think is there another good example of this

[01:08:53] Paul Rubens who very well known as pvherman was in the original buffy the vampire slayer movie when he gets hit by a stake he takes about 25 minutes to die and they even have it in the post credit scene I'm still dying these moments of

[01:09:07] I'm dying over and over again, and that's exactly what till this went until it's here There are moments when she pushes it a little too far but still maintains the comedy and Definitely so well, it was actually perfectly time for me

[01:09:23] This I say I have just wrote down slow death drawn out Slowly slow more slow And what else guys it was it was done really well I mean given this you know is

[01:09:37] Electopus and and you love ambrozius because it's this kind of pureness to tell this one since voice Yeah, actually what is being portrayed between the two is BC hours Exactly like okay, okay, you know

[01:09:52] I will kind of just like drop that out with the memory as I as I kind of watch Easy and just enjoy the performance of it. You know

[01:10:01] I'm not gonna think about that maybe the bottom of myself later take that part of my brain age and because of some bruises has been there for You know a while now it's like

[01:10:11] It was also like I know he's gonna kill it. Yeah, I mean I was half hoping that You would think she's dead and she'll come back to extract her revenge Managed to get out. Yeah, I don't think so

[01:10:24] I think an octopus is able to squeeze out a quite narrow and Like a mouse, you know when they can squeeze through quite small spaces. Yeah, so I just wonder whether we actually did here her last gas. I think we did I think we did

[01:10:41] I do as well but I'm hoping She's there to extract revenge on the deep because he deserves he does deserve Definitely I thought he was gonna get at this episode as well

[01:10:52] But that was my my it's dad in the moment we were the right standing moment anything else We talked about anything else. We haven't mentioned John from the episode at all And the only other thing is we had avenue v Stop, but I think we have avenue FUCKED

[01:11:07] I think it's sort of Ryan effectively Sort of stopping the broadcast or avenue v like sesame street brought you this week by the others effort You yeah, and you know

[01:11:23] It stands up and says the song is not cool and we have this this flash to Billy book chair realizing you know Why he had faith in Ryan to do the good thing and Despite being in the bar with his devil Joe Kassler on his case

[01:11:41] But he and we see then as he leaves kind of quite please that Ryan stood up to vault The system of vault and effect stood up to his father and he passes out in the bar and I say pass out

[01:11:56] To do with the the the black going around his brain roll. Yes, drink and maybe a bit of column A bit of column a yeah, yeah, but column a column beat but

[01:12:07] You know reflecting that is home under seeing his song that he's really trying to sort of bring to his side Stand up to him as well. Yeah, yeah, cause from the start to this point the

[01:12:22] train poppers has been replaced with a home-line to poppers. Mm, good. I didn't notice that very good And one of the things mentioned by the scene of butcher collapsing in the in the bar is that Kessler as you say was talking to him this

[01:12:36] This version of Kessler is talking to him and I had a Billy passage There's a bit of a smile and Kessler's face. It's almost like Billy hasn't passed out Kessler's taken over now

[01:12:45] That's all most feels like I don't know what that's what they're aiming for in the episode, but it feels like you know what you mean Kessler is now taken over and he's gonna be in the lead of a of Billy, you know

[01:12:57] Interestingly last episode of the last few episodes every time we've seen Kessler we've also most of the time let's say we've seen Becca Billy's former wife the other vision that he's had the angel on his shoulder to

[01:13:10] Joe Kessler's devil. We've seen her quite a lot this season yeah none of her in this episode only Joe Kessler beside him trying to push him into the genocide of everybody with the company in the blood

[01:13:20] So I wonder was that moment at the end of the episode Joe Kessler's Taking over Billy's body that personality of Billy that he wants to know you know Following on from from Ryan turning on home lender maybe he wants to now just go take the guy

[01:13:37] Yeah, you know as that's the way it is but and but yeah well done to Ryan for standing up There is that moment as you say in that in the rehearsal early on when he's hearing the song for the first time and he's going

[01:13:50] I'm gonna second you can't tell people to call in Just call into the police a bit their mom to call into the voice basically a bit their mom and dad

[01:13:58] And his the reveal at the end of activity is that his mom loved Christmas that this was a special time for her and nobody is told of Ryan

[01:14:05] And how much he must be missing his mother at these times a year. That's a big moment for you know someone who lost a pair We do see him picking out Billy's

[01:14:13] present this you do manage to get sent to volt tower and put under the Christmas tree in homelanders Apart and it's that recognition of you know Christmas being important. Yes, what

[01:14:27] Billy remembers homelanders so far is obsessed with the killing of the present not his son because we see the mist You know he he comes back to and Ryan By answer for intuitively. Yeah, just suck it up and say the lines as I wrote them basically

[01:14:45] So you're right that's a really important moment from the episode one other quick thing I want to mention is the follow on from MMM's panic attack last week where he's now reconciled with his wife and they kiss

[01:14:56] They want to go and run away together bring money with them and go away and come become a family again Which is something that MMM has wanted all the way through act these four seasons so far and he wants to he wanted to reunite and

[01:15:10] Work it out with his wife and and now that we're gonna go in the run, but he chose to stay with the boys Who these are always bad choices? Always wondering what's gonna happen because he go

[01:15:22] He had a way I actually had a moment day. It's the I was two days away from retirement But they changed their from the day you haven't yeah, that was the deciding fact to tell me is that he Realize if he runs with his family

[01:15:37] It's not just him they get it's him and his family Yeah, and no matter where they go If they succeed he's not he's not there trying to stop them yeah, and he's one of the few people that knows

[01:15:52] What about to come yeah, so I kind of liked that I do put it puts a tarragon on him quite Sick with a guy when he's had that moment that he could have gotten out and did and same with a train

[01:16:04] I mean the vulgot targets on them at this stage A train does leave though and by the end of the episode a train has left the city is gone Into hiding effectively so we don't even know if we'll see in next week in the final episode

[01:16:17] Yeah, but overall, John what's your final thoughts on the boy season four episode seven the inside I really enjoyed this as sort of Pernolsonous Lead up to the final wine you know lots of spinning plates. I mean the just the introduction of

[01:16:32] The shape shifter and the form of the person that they've taken and starlight and You know for me I'd get this four and a half milths of invention out of five and I just like I just Really enjoyed this I to me the boy's is in it's

[01:16:50] Swing it's got its momentum. It's got its mojo. It just moves through It's really clean it's funny great points in it and and you know and some really sort of

[01:17:02] Suffle and not so subtle references to what they're parading effectively yeah, I really like you know my favorite moment is The deep and black noir in the corridor Realizing that they've both been with sister-said I thought the death of embrosious you know on point dark comedy along with

[01:17:25] webweaver Really dark comedy and glad kameko and French is Relationship is kind of coming back to normal and I feel as though something's been dropped the a little bit I was really surprised that French was so easily

[01:17:42] Broad-hated prison after giving himself up two episodes ago that felt like a big arc moment where he's Accepting that he's murdered his Current well his boyfriend's family. He's accepted that this is something that he's only turned himself in and then it was like Billy turned up went

[01:17:56] I broke French yet we're going hang on second that seems really quick to do that to bring French back But I don't know maybe maybe there was too much in the arc to get there but I think by the end of the episode it's French you really

[01:18:10] Lizing that in Kameko he has the ability to do what he thought prison will do to him in terms of him facing up to What he did to Collins family. Okay, I think yeah, so probably was never about his arc in the prison

[01:18:27] But it still just felt like Something yeah, you know, yeah, and it just felt like came he came back so quickly But again, we've only got one episode left in the season until he's exactly he is the chemist

[01:18:38] He has to be working on the has to be work on the virus Yeah, by the chemist maybe yes, sorry. Yes, I forget. Oh, just biologists. I was just baby Yeah, yeah, or just explosives experts. I was so I don't think you started actually general handyman

[01:18:53] I think that on this. Yeah, so yeah for an a half milths of invention out of fire Very good Derek what about yourself? Really enjoyed the subset of that was a grace penultimate episode

[01:19:06] I do think we we mentioned it around the season we mentioned earlier on the podcast here That do think this has gone a bit more of a serious rush the season it feels like

[01:19:15] There's a shadow of darkness over everything I guess in some in some ways and I do think sometimes in the writing room It's Guys, this is this is coming up There's not actually coming up this year. This is the kind of person you could be voting in

[01:19:28] You know, I think there's an anger there behind behind the writing this season And but I think this is where they excel as a writing room because it's not just about that

[01:19:38] That is part of it. It's in the background, but some of the storylines that are happening here with With sage what you know the intelligence that she brought to this team how her guidance could have led them to Incredible outcome exactly what home lander wanted

[01:19:53] But he still fired it because she kept a little piece of information from her He she had her own That's a plan in the background To feed this information day train but

[01:20:04] Also an atrium that story line of of his turn. I think it makes loads of sense that he is now Turning over to and to a new leaf and becoming someone that can work with the boys by the end of the season I think

[01:20:16] actually stories been interesting there's one other great moments with with Annie where she calls her mom to try and safer in the same way that M.M tries to save His wife and daughter

[01:20:28] And her mom's reaction is did you know I was kicked at a prayer group because you added abortion She doesn't answer Annie's calls for weeks when she's trying to warn her about the incoming danger that's happening, you know

[01:20:39] She is more concerned about what the neighbors think and that's what Annie always had to put up with when she was growing up going through the patch and circuit going through the superjutsurk I guess And I think that was a great moment for Annie's character of

[01:20:51] keeping that that's pressure that's on her to be this unattainable idol I guess for the world I thought that was a really good point to have and now we have Annie at the end of the episode trapped and captured while a shape shifter is taking their place so

[01:21:09] So yeah, I think that's a class episode really good fantastic work again from the boys So at cannot wait to see how season 4 ends. I do agree with whatever feet piece of feedback which said This is gonna be a massive cliffhanger at the end of season 4

[01:21:23] We know season 5 at the last season so I think there's gonna be a very dark cliffhanger where a couple of magic characters could be on the precipice of death That I don't think it's gonna end with a bullet in someone's brain and everything is all happy

[01:21:33] Clappy at the end of this season of things gonna be a big bad moment at the end of the season Which will close out the the penultimate season up the show Excellent stuff. I think with that Round up let us get onto our boys

[01:21:48] Pope quiz. Yeah, I think we need some room punch stuff. I think we do a bit of room punch And as we run away from vote And the seven yeah, let's get down to the pool before our seventh question it yes

[01:22:01] Welcome to the pub quiz fellow boys and girls and fellow quizzes It is Episode seven so it is question seven it is That is what the question is on? Which country was mother's milk sending his family to the safety away from the seven?

[01:22:21] Very good who where was Marvin sending them? Yeah, there's two different countries that are talked about in the episode as well So um yeah, I can't get the question more time. Make sure we're highlighting the right person in this one job

[01:22:33] Sure which country was mother's milk sending his family to for safety away from the seven very good seventh question of a select all the correct answers in email that's at the end of the season two feedback

[01:22:45] At tv podcast industry calm and you'll be able to chance of getting your hands on some boys goodies At the end of the season when we do our final wrap up Hopefully you've been getting all the questions

[01:22:56] Threat season but if you need any of them there over on our website at tvpodcast industries calm. Thanks so much for joining us We will be back with you next week. Yes, we certainly will

[01:23:07] Fellow boys and girls will be back to chat about the boys season four finale episode eight assassination run. Yes, and of course There will be the final question in our season four pub quiz as well So keep your ears eyes and skin peeled

[01:23:27] Absolutely and we'll also have Chris back for the final podcast I know I don't know what he's been doing well. He's been away work. I don't know why With the family holiday. Yeah, so we weren't gonna get him to record well. He was away this time

[01:23:41] Interestingly I was this and back in some of our episode of the boys and Chris recorded from New York One point I think it was a little not again this time could have I think his work was a little bit of your this time

[01:23:51] I'm having a baby on holiday. It's always takes a little lot of time I just can't get the stuff But he will be back later next week Really look forward to hearing us talk to about the boys version of spider-man

[01:24:03] Exactly. He's a favorite character being ripped and weaving a Horny web I guess around the city of New York Exactly, but yes looking forward to that and we will speak to you next week. Yes fellow boys and girls

[01:24:19] Thank you so much as always for joining us on this episode of the podcast We will of course be back again to look at assassination run and probably with a mega mega podcast given a Chris will be just

[01:24:37] Verbly releasing himself worth a boss until next time of course keep watching keep listening and of course slow slowly slower more slow Bye