Daredevil 101 Review of "Into The Ring" by Defenders TV Podcast

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It's here. It's finally here.

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When I was a kid, I used to dream what it would be like to live somewhere far away from Hell's Kitchen. But I realized the city was a part of me. It was in my blood, and I would do anything to make it a better place. Maybe if he had an iron suit or magic hammer, explain why you keep getting your asses handed to you. Just trying to

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make my city a better place.

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Welcome to the Defenders TV podcast, the podcast about the Netflix and Marvel TV shows Daredevil, aka Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist. This is episode five of our podcast where we're talking about Daredevil episode one Into the Ring. I'm Derek. I'm your lawyer by day, defender by night.

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Hi. I'm John. I'm the Fist, the Iron Fist.

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I'm Chris, also known as Jones, but unfortunately, I don't go by Jessica at the weekends.

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Welcome, guys. What did you think of that episode?

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Loved it. Excellent. Excellent. Really good.

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Alright. And make sure you follow us on Twitter at Defenderscast. If you wanna send us any feedback on your thoughts of episodes, email us at feedback@DefendersTVPodcast.com. Alright. I think we can get into the episode review for Into the Ring written by Drew Goddard of Cloverfield and the Cabin in the Woods fame and directed by Phil Abraham, who's directed a bunch of episodes for Netflix of Orange is the New Black.

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John, do you wanna start off with your synopsis of the episode?

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Yeah. Daredevil episode one, Into the Ring. As a new law practice is established by the name of Nelson and Murdoch attorneys at law in Hell's Kitchen, their first client, a secretary called Karen Page at Union Allied Construction, is framed for the murder of a colleague. But her case unlocks a more sinister and nefarious network of criminal bosses with an unknown crime lord at its head, illegally capitalizing on the construction boom after the Chitauri incident. At the same time, one half of the Nelson and Murdoch firm, Matt Murdoch, blinded by a childhood accident, tackles crime in a different manner as a vigilante in a black mask begins to establish his presence on the streets of Hell's Kitchen, New York to the inconvenience of the criminal bosses.

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Guys, I think we can go into our five points about this episode. So the way we cover our episodes is that each of us chooses five points we wanna talk about, and we'll go into discussions and hopefully cover the whole episode throughout throughout the podcast. Chris, do wanna give us your first point?

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I'm gonna start with the opening. Mhmm. It's amazing. Right. The theme tune, which is just perfectly sets up the the actual the atmosphere of the episodes, And then to the visuals of the dark red, which we can assume is kind of the blood, but also there's probably the elements of the red from the suit in there, and it's slowly making its way and dripping over the Brooklyn Bridge and some of the we can I'm hoping it's Fisk Tower.

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Okay.

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Or because you don't don't see an ace, I'm assuming it's not Avengers Tower. Mhmm. And then finally ending with Charlie Cox silhouetted with two horns. That but that was just an amazing opening.

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It's really good, isn't it? Yeah. The music's by John Paisano, who who did some music for the maze run of the film. So he's the musical director for the show. I thought it was really good.

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It really evoked the right, I suppose, the right mood for the for the piece and the right mood for the show. I'm really looking forward to hearing that for the next 13 episodes, definitely.

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Yeah. Those opening credits were really good. It it kinda reminded me slightly of Hannibal as well with the whole sort of dripping red moving over, you know, different images such as the Brooklyn Bridge and, you know, sort of the Catholic church and all those different sort of iconic images of Derdell. Was great.

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And Loved Lady Justice as well was the first thing that was built out of the blood as well.

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Yeah. Quite cool. So superb.

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I'm hoping that they do something with which they don't do often in the Marvel ones, which is each episode intro is slightly different, and they may add more. Like, Castle have different ones for different episodes.

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Right.

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And there's also I'm hoping they might lay some Easter eggs as he evolves, more things might get dripping with blood or Mhmm. Different locations. But I guess we'll have to wait and see and wait till episode two review, and then we'll I'll come back to that point.

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Absolutely. Yeah. No. I I love the love the fact that it's covering New York. It's setting up the location.

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It's setting up the justice, and it sets up the devil himself. Yeah. Definitely. Any other points on the on the intro?

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No. But I I I think it connects in with one of my points, which was that whole pre credit setup as well, which led into the opening credits. Like the whole confessional aspect of it, the whole initial fight sequence that you saw with The Man in Black, and all those different elements and the childhood accident. I just thought it was a really neat, entirely sort of introduction to this entire world and origins of Daredevil in a really sort of sort of succinct kind of condensed way. And in particular, I love the whole confessional.

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It just evoked, everything about, Devil. There's a few bits there from, I think, the previous trailers. I'm not seeking penitence for the for the stuff that I've done, but I'm seeking forgiveness for what I'm about to do. That just kinda sort of just launches everything, and and it's great.

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Yeah.

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And even where he says, Jesus, and and and the priest says language, and there's great little touches throughout that whole confessional scene. Loved it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think the one thing I'd definitely say about the intro is it starts off with the with the sound of sirens, and it just invoked for me Lost, where you start off with the kind of wall of sound after the plane crash at the beginning of the series, and it just throws you right in there in a really visceral scene. Very unlike what we saw in the Daredevil 2003 film, wasn't it? Where it was much more of a half hour about the young Matt Murdock becoming Daredevil and becoming it's about being blinded.

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You see him before he blinded. This showed up as none of none of Matt before he's blinded. This is a at the setup of the scene is Matt being found already already covered in toxic waste, I guess. So Yeah. Was interesting.

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And that was a fear of mine. It was a genuine fear that this first episode was gonna be nothing but another origin story, which we've all seen back from 2003, and any comic followers know off by heart. Yeah. So I was just very happy that they got rid of that in the first ten, fifteen minutes

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Mhmm.

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Before the opening sequence, and I think that was just perfect.

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Yep. Yep.

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Yeah. I saw on the barrels of the the toxic sort of waste that kinda goes into his eyes, I didn't see any kind of industry slogan like Rand Corp or even Stark Industries or AIM or anything like that. I didn't see anything or Roxxon chemicals and all that. Didn't see any of that, which I was hoping to see, but I mean, doesn't matter, but yeah. So no one no big Marvel corporation from the comics was involved in the blinding of of Dirt Yeah.

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And I

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think that's a good thing. I think the fact that he's been blinded in an accident still is the original Orange's story rather than him being blinded by that that it's caused by somebody else. It can't really be. It's an accident. He's been hit and covered in in toxic goo rather than that rather than somebody specifically attacking a a poor eight year old boy.

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Yeah. Is that it for the intro, guys?

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Yeah. I mean

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My first point, just a little bit later on in the episode, is about Wesley's threat. So Wesley is the is the bad guy that we really see a lot of in this episode. I love how they play his threat to the to what we find out as a as a police officer where he brings out a video of his daughter, a live video essentially, makes the father call her and watch her as he as he sees a person intending to kill her sitting across the way. I think it's a really fantastically put together scene, a really good a really good dramatic moment, and shows how evil Wesley is and shows how much he's going to be a part of this show. Think that's a really good setup for that character.

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Oh, definitely. And you have taken one of my other points. So, yeah, I thought Wesley Welch in this episode was great. And obviously, they're played by Toby Leonard Moore. Mhmm.

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But, that scene with the jail officer or the police officer, where he's sitting having his lunch, and he just sidles up by him saying, we want certain amount of money off you and just the threat from that entire scene and he shows us the tablet with his daughter there at university with her potential killer if he doesn't pull the line. Mhmm. I love that. And just the whole sort of nefariousness of it, and this kind of this right hand man, almost just a shadowy figure, but just threatening on behalf of his master and his boss. I I loved it.

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I really did like it. And I loved then, you know, he was just this entire doer. He just did he did things. He he tried to get them sorted or to sort them. And I I loved his whole presence in this episode a lot.

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Yeah. No, I have to agree. The the just overall, the menacingness, if that's even a word. Yeah. No.

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It was just it was well done. It was well put together, that scene. The tablet surprised me just because that's actually a Microsoft Surface tablet for So those who I would have assumed a Sony or Samsung kind of promo deal there, but it looks like Microsoft have got the Netflix product placements already.

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Very good.

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But, yeah, no, a very good scene and great actor.

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Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Chris, do you wanna give us your second point?

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Okay. I'm gonna actually just go with the overall tone writing of it. So it looks like Goddard and DeKnight have actually heavily drawn from Miller's material, which I'm very happy for. And I was wary of another superhero origin series. I'm obviously excited, but because I love the actual material and the canon of this series.

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But I did have that fear in me that this is gonna be just another setup. It's like 13 episodes of how he becomes Daredevil.

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Right.

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But it came out more of a thriller. Came out of like an almost Law and Order type kind of situational piece. So it was dark. It was gritty. The the fight scenes itself didn't look cartoony.

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Oh, absolutely.

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And I think I've mentioned in a previous episode, like one of the the jumping between canisters

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looks like

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a man on a wire.

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Mhmm.

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They must have slowed that down for the actual trailer because in the episode, it looked good. It looked like someone just he had to if he had a Cherry Cox had a shed parkour after. Uh-huh. It would have been it would have been like, yeah. Well done.

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Good. Good. But yeah, no, I think that the Denied as a showrun and Goddard as the overall writer, it just, it all came very well together. And the, just the tone, the emotion, serialness of the episodic nature is that they've wrapped up Caron Page's first piece.

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Mhmm.

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And now she's well, spoiler, she's gonna work for them.

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Mhmm.

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But so, like, they just wrapped that up neatly. But then the last two minutes were setting up everything else. I think it was really well done.

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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that kinda speaks to one of my points, which is the setup of the bad guys at the end of the episode. Obviously, we're spoiling everything about the episode, which probably should have said at the start.

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But I think if you listen to a podcast about the show, you've either watched all of them you're or you wanna know all the details. We we thought about it. The setup of the bad guys at the end of the episode is fantastically done. I was I I mentioned directly afterwards, I don't remember seeing a show set up the rest of the series as well as this. And all it is is five shots of the bad guys you saw earlier on in the show.

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You have Anatolia and Vladimir, the two Serbian kidnappers. You see them stealing a child from from the car of of of a father, essentially. You have Madame Gao who they they show you where she where she works with her blind employees making drugs. You have Nobu, who's the Japanese developer. You have him looking over plans to take over the building works over Hell's Kitchen.

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And yeah, you have little little Nesli Nesli in there, who is essentially shown as a really good accountant and how he transfers the money around for the shadowy bad guy in this episode. I just thought it was really well done to show these are the villains that Matt Murdock will have to fight, and you have Matt Murdock sitting over the city watching over his city, hearing a child scream for his father. Fantastic closeout to the episode and fantastically written scene, I think.

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And I think the the really good point of that is each of the the villains have something that draws back to Matt's past.

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Mhmm.

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So the Chetnians, the kidnapping father and son, and the guy, obviously, Mount Murdock and his father. Yeah. And then the blind with Madame Gao. So obviously, that that's the blind element. And then Nobu with attacking Hell's Kitchen as a whole.

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So that's his that's Daredevil's area in his playground. So I just thought that each of those will, in a way, probably play back to some emotional part or that is Daredevil's character.

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Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. No. Totally agree.

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Yeah. Like, thought that that wrap up at the end just kind of was that mirror of the wrap up at the start was done really, really well or not wrap up, but set up, I suppose, at the start. That mirror image done really nicely as you say. And overall, I just thought the pacing of this episode was was great. And I suppose that's one of the things where you don't necessarily need to factor in things like advertising or commercials.

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Absolutely. And it just was a nice pace of moving through and this story around Karen Page being framed for this murder and the tentacles spreading out from that across Hell's Kitchen and New York, you know, it was really, really good, I think. Yeah.

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Yeah. Actually, you talk about structure, it did feel more like a film or like an hour of a film. As you say, I think when you watch an episode of of Agents of S. L. D, it's very quick to identify the act breaks where they have to go to an ad break and keep you watching and make sure you come back after those five minutes of ads.

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This show didn't seem to have many act breaks. It was very much it flowed really differently from from any of the superhero shows that we watch or I've watched, I suppose. And I I think it's it's a testament to how they're working for Netflix and how they're how they're putting together the story for Netflix. Hope they can keep this kind of pace up.

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Yeah. I think that they did that the pacing is gonna be something that shows that Netflix is the ultimate home for these types of shows Mhmm. Where you can't just have 13 to 12 episodes with Nat Breaks, blah, blah, blah, it's just that, like you said, you guys said, pacing just doesn't work sometimes.

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Mhmm.

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So even in the last episode of Ages of Shield, I I found myself kind of kind of turning off, switching off, and I've never had that before.

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Right.

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And it's just because they were trying to go fast pace, slow down. Fast pace, slow down. Yeah. But this first episode of Daredevil was just one hour sixty minutes of in your face you must watch in case you miss something.

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Mhmm. Absolutely. And John, do you have your next point? Yeah.

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I think, you know, we've talked about all these criminal bosses being shown. What I really, really, really liked was that this shadowy figure, Kingpin, aka Wilson Fisk. We all know he's there, but he wasn't seen

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Mhmm.

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In the episode at all. And for me, I just think this is really important point for his character that the first episode, the big sort of bang of this show, and you don't see, Matt Murdock Daredevil's main protagonist and ultimate bad guy in the slightest. I think it elevates his power and influence that he must hold over these other criminals. It adds to his mystery and the intrigue surrounding him. And given the trailers have shown him from the back and then the second and third trailers, you know, showed his front and more of his scenes within the whole series.

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I just thought this was a really good call from the showrunners, from the writers, not to include him in any of this episode, but to only hear his voice when again. And this part of the reason why I loved Wesley Welsh in this, and he actually got more time than I thought because he was there. Because Kingpin wasn't around, Wesley Welsh was there. Mhmm. I saw a lot more of him than I thought we were going to actually in episode one, and it was probably on obviously to do with the fact that the kingpin doesn't show up.

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But that whole bit in the car where the kingpin is essentially talking to him, have you done and sorted out this mess essentially? And then we move to that wrap up where we have the assassin who was after Karen Page in her apartment, you know, strung up with the bedsheets. The jail officer shot through the the head and looked to to make it look like a suicide. Mhmm. And all it's almost a bit bonding.

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It's almost a bit like a spectre. This idea that you don't see him. He's not there in the episode. You hear his voice, but all this stuff has been done in his name. It's great.

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Loved it. That to me was the best part about this episode.

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Yeah. Yeah. No. Really good. I have to say I love that you've taken Wesley Walsh's threat really well.

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We don't say his name. I like it. You didn't use mister Fisk once in there, John. Well done. I've I don't take his threat for anything, of course.

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Yes. Really loved it, particularly the discussion with with Wilson Fisk and Wesley in in the car, essentially setting up how they're gonna take out all the people that have run them, essentially, and and Fisk deciding Karen Page is is no longer a threat. Everything she knows is in the papers, so she can live she can go at it and live her life now. Loved the setup and loved and loved that scene, definitely.

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And that they have a file now on Nelson and murder.

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Mhmm. Yes. Yeah. Really interesting.

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I would love to know as well why he thinks they will be of use in the future. I like that little sort of shout out. Because even I remember from the Daredevil 2,003 movie, there was that element where the kingpin is seemingly drawn to Nelson and Murdoch at the sort of the black and white ball that they had in that film. Again here there's a kind of an attraction or a pull there by the Kingpin to Nelson and Murdoch. Maybe it's because they're all from Hell's Kitchen.

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I don't know. It's interesting to know why that line was included. I'd love to see how that plays out as well in future episodes.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really good. I guess on to my next point, if nobody else has it.

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No. That's great. Just a a really good scene, Matt questioning Karen a couple of times. There's a a couple of scenes that he does this, but his first scene questioning her where he's trying to find out whether she's innocent or not. And he says, do you know who's trying to kill you?

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She says, nope. And he says, do you know why they are trying to kill you? Which I think is just a a really well played line. It's yes. She does know that someone is trying to kill her, but she doesn't know who it is.

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That answer could have been taken that she didn't know anybody was trying to kill her. She could have sounded very innocent, but Matt picks up on it really well. I love how they do the the visualization of his I'm calling it lie detector, essentially. Really, really interesting where the heartbeat is shaking the camera, shaking the screen, and it's focusing his his thoughts on on Karen throughout these scenes. I think it's really good and really good use of of technology to to show what what this character could be experiencing, I suppose.

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I thought that was really, really interesting and really detailed probing from, you know, a really well trained light detector, as I say.

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Yeah. No. I love that heart rate thing where in the interrogation room at the police precinct, you have the heart quite steady. You know, Matt Murdock is then quite convinced that she's telling the truth and then all of a sudden he's trying to figure out why she wasn't just killed outright then he's well if that didn't happen, you know, is it that's keeping her alive and why did they then come back to her to try and kill her and after they had tried to frame her and you have that heart rate increases. He's kind of probing you know, what is it that they have on you or you have on them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. No. I I thought that was absolutely great as well. And there are a few nice touches between Karen Page and and Matt Murdock that I really liked, particularly in his apartment where some of those awkward questions I suppose that maybe people who can see might have them when talking with a blind person just about how would you comb your hair, would you know it looks okay, you know that she's nodding and he calls it out on her you nodded then didn't you? She said oh yes, you know these things that you would probably slip into if you didn't know I liked how they sort of used them in in those kind of more personal moments between the two characters.

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I thought that was really good.

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And I think Cherry Cox actually plays Blind Man very well.

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Oh, yeah.

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I I would Definitely. Comparing him to Ben Affleck Mhmm. Who just didn't believe was a 100% blind.

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Mhmm.

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Charlie Cox actually plays it very well. He plays that I can't see.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's that's an important one because he still has that cheeky grin when he like, with the nodding part in that. He has that grin on his face. They haven't wiped out his eyes

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Mhmm.

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Just for that terrible look, which is he's blind, but he's not actually blind kind of thing. Yeah. Really well played, and he he's quite good at it. He he invokes that awe factor that I wanna I I don't know the thing. It's like, oh, he's blind.

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And then he's there's a line with Foggy, which is all about the beautiful women. Mhmm. And that he always seems to win the beautiful women with his blind. And there's a joke about, oh, yeah, the the the realtor has the realtor said that she hates blind people Mhmm. Just so that he wouldn't try and steal her away from Foggy.

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I think that that's it was quality acting.

[00:24:02] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's all in the eyes. I I was watching the scene where he takes off his glasses while talking to Karen Page, and it's really well played.

[00:24:10] - [Speaker 0]
He's looking around her. There's no point when he meets her eyes. And if he does, it's by accident. And that's a that must have taken so long for Charlie Cox to get right. I remember them talking on the EJ Scott podcast that we put up a couple of months ago.

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Karen excuse me. I was gonna call it Karen Page, but Deborah Ann Wall and and Charlie Cox were talking about filming those scenes and how difficult it is for somebody who's actually filming shots with Matt Murdock in them because generally, you'll be looking for the eyeline of the character, and he has no eyeline. So they were constantly joking about the fact that you can never watch his eyeline. You can never guess exactly what he's looking at because he's not looking at anything. That's not what he's he's essentially looking at noise, looking at the the source of something rather than what we would do, which is look into each other's eyes or look at each other's lips potentially.

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But that that kind of thing, I thought that was really interesting. I think you played it really well, really, really well. Great point. So who's next?

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I'm going to jump in then and kind of follows on from that. We talked about the the heartbeat lie detector.

[00:25:06] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:25:07] - [Speaker 2]
Think this has set up Daredevil's powers perfectly. Right. He's not a superhero. He's not an Avenger, a Thor, a Captain America super super soldier. He seems to be, from this first episode, just a really well trained top of the line human who has offset his eyesight with extended hearing.

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Right.

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So he's able to hear a heartbeat. He's able to hear a chain clanking behind him Mhmm. Perfectly even in the midst of rain and thing. And I think that was one of my disappoint points in the 2003 film where he was able to see that he had this almost radar and he was able to see the water dropping off her face and This stuff like doesn't seem to portray that. This seems to portray that Matt Murdock is essentially a Batman.

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He is a human. He can be hurt. He can be cut. He can be bruised. Mhmm.

[00:26:12] - [Speaker 2]
He spits out blood when you you knock him down and throw him out a window. Yep. But he is just able to do the flips, to scale tall buildings using parkour. And it's just then the visual of that, which was they said they they kind of they the camera beat it with the heartbeat, they fuzzed out things slightly, and they kind of focused on what he was focusing his hearing on. That was the center of the shot and everything else started to blur out from it.

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And I think that was just amazing. It was a nice way of doing it that he is just has heightened senses. Yeah. He's not superhearing like a a Superman or anything like that.

[00:26:54] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Yeah. I I actually wrote down a reference to Daredevil 2003. It's in the same fight in the rain with mister Rance, essentially, where he swaps hands with the knife. So instead of what happens in Daredevil 2,003, where he's seeing the face of a woman in the rain, essentially, he's using the rain to know that the knife has swapped hands, and it's really well picked out by the camera work.

[00:27:15] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:27:15] - [Speaker 0]
But I do think it's a reference to 2003. They're not gonna use it for a lovey dovey scene. They're gonna use it in the middle of an action scene. I think it's a a great choice.

[00:27:22] - [Speaker 3]
But I I think I had a similar thought with that whole fight scene with the the assassin and was that they didn't overplay his senses as well. So they focused in on, you know, the chain clinking against the the stairs coming down from the building. Mhmm. There was the rain, and you saw that influence how he moved with the camera work and how they had sequenced the whole fight scene. But, you know, they didn't have some dreadful kind of suddenly go into an effect where it was showing, yeah, this all with the pitter patter of the rain.

[00:28:01] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. So they got the balance of showing his heightened sense through sort of different camera work and just quick shots away to the chain, tapping on the stairs, and then back to essentially a great fight scene.

[00:28:16] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:28:16] - [Speaker 3]
And it was a really good balance of how how they did all that, I thought.

[00:28:20] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I think there was some some talk during the when the trailers showed the scene of the of the chain smacking against the fence that that would be a way for him to use radar. Actually, it turns out that he's hearing the chain and then uses that as a weapon. That's brilliant. Really much better than I thought it was gonna be.

[00:28:35] - [Speaker 0]
Definitely really, really good.

[00:28:37] - [Speaker 3]
I the only one thing I would say, I loved that whole fight sequence from the intruder in Karen Page's apartment Mhmm. And them falling out of the window. And generally, I did think that the flashbacks worked here, but I thought that flashback just took me out of the moment of that scene where they've crashed out of the window and Daredevil is there face down in the pool, and you see the blood coming out of his mouth into the pool, and then it flashes back to him and his dad. And I thought it was a good flashback, but it just took me out of the moment of that whole fight scene and the sort of the tension built up from it. It's only a minor thing, but I hope, and I think in the main the flashbacks worked here, and I like that.

[00:29:24] - [Speaker 3]
But again, hopefully, they don't overuse the flashback, maybe in the sense that possibly another TV show has done.

[00:29:35] - [Speaker 0]
Speaking about Lost, don't you?

[00:29:37] - [Speaker 3]
Yes. Well, has an island, let's just say that. There is an island involved. Answers on answers on a postcard if which TV show. But no, I mean, I love that whole fight scene.

[00:29:52] - [Speaker 3]
I loved how they portrayed his his heightened senses and his powers. I'll say, that's just my slight one negative. It just immediately took me out of that great scene, I thought, but I still like the flashback.

[00:30:06] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And I just you were talking with I think the reason they put that flashback in there was to remind us from the beginning of the episode where he talks about his dad being able to take a punch, that he's a he's like, he lost more than he won. Mhmm. He he got beaten up, and then they flash back in that to show the dad's taking the punch. He's taking the big hit, but he's still walking.

[00:30:26] - [Speaker 2]
I think that was the whole it was, yeah, it was a bit of like, oh, You remember this from, like, twenty minutes ago? Now there you go. Now this is why we're putting it in. Right. So that he's able to he does he's fallen out of a window, but anyone else would be, like, on the ground.

[00:30:41] - [Speaker 2]
No. No. No. Murdoch can take a punch, and he's able to get up. And I think that's the one thing I did really like about the fight scene was that it was a human fight scene.

[00:30:51] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:30:51] - [Speaker 2]
It wasn't a superhuman. It was he got he took punches, and it went on for about five minutes, and he kicked back, and but then you saw him get kicked and fall down, and then looked like for a second he wasn't gonna get up again. I think that was thing, it's not gonna be these two seconds, one bam, it's over, thugs. It's actually, no, he's gonna have to fight his way through all each of these thugs.

[00:31:15] - [Speaker 3]
Definitely, definitely. I mean, as I say, for me, a very minor quibble.

[00:31:21] - [Speaker 0]
I did like the I did like the fact that it's it's Matt waking up to his father saying, get up, get back to work. I thought that was a really good touch of the of the flashback. I didn't have a major problem with it at all, to be honest. And I must admit, we went to see Fast and Furious seven this week, which has some very visceral fight scenes and very well choreographed.

[00:31:39] - [Speaker 3]
And a great opening.

[00:31:40] - [Speaker 0]
Brilliant opening. But it's also cost, you know, millions and millions of dollars on amazing choreography, and these people are very heavily trained professionals. I have to say the fight scenes in this show have stood up against Fast and the Furious seven. For me, they're just as visceral. They're just as exciting and just as powerful as they were in a in a, whatever it was, $240,000,000 film for one episode so far.

[00:32:03] - [Speaker 0]
So I'm delighted ahead

[00:32:05] - [Speaker 2]
of it. We do

[00:32:06] - [Speaker 3]
need to compare it against the car chase scenes.

[00:32:09] - [Speaker 0]
No car chase scenes yet. Yes. John, thanks to your point.

[00:32:15] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. I'm kind of about to eat slightly humble apple pie.

[00:32:20] - [Speaker 2]
Yes.

[00:32:21] - [Speaker 3]
I think previously I had kind of said about how, you know, in one of the trailers you looked at across Manhattan Island and nothing was destroyed. And I made reference in the synopsis about the Chitauri, oh, I do keep thinking of Chitake mushrooms, that goes through my head every time I try and say that word, but and I did like

[00:32:49] - [Speaker 0]
The Battle of New York from the Avengers.

[00:32:51] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. From the Avengers. I loved I I had kinda mentioned how, you know, well, it wasn't flattened. Where are all the cranes and so on? And I must say, I love the way they link the crime bosses and the Russians, the Chinese, the Japanese, and obviously then the locals and the the Americans into the construction of New York after the Avengers movie and the attack and invasion from the Chitauri.

[00:33:21] - [Speaker 3]
So I absolutely loved how that was connected in, which I think on the trailer sort of chat that we had, I kind of said, you know, sometimes is it a bit of a ball and chain around the ankle to have to say, well, you know, make the effect that New York is totally flattened when they obviously didn't in the trailer. But then I thought the way they sort of tied it into that, just with a little nod and a reference, was was really good, actually. Absolutely. See. You know?

[00:33:52] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. And given that construction, I love the meeting of the the crime bosses in the building under construction, and they did like Elsie's just whole scene there about him being cold and, you know, 20 odd, 30 odd floors up in the sky on this skyscraper being built. But I love that little nod, so I eat humble pie and say, you know, well done for that little reference and nod.

[00:34:22] - [Speaker 0]
Excellent. Excellent. Thanks, Steven, tonight for I apologize for that one. Yeah. No.

[00:34:26] - [Speaker 0]
I agree with you. The little nails little nails we seen where he talks about, you know, let's have every superhero fight in New York because that just gives us extra places to reconstruct. You know? The fact that reconstruction of the city of New York is the fundamental reason why these why all these guys are coming together to to essentially profit from the reconstruction of the of the city after the Avengers destroyed it. Yeah.

[00:34:48] - [Speaker 0]
Absolutely right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree. Really good really good call out.

[00:34:51] - [Speaker 2]
It was less seeing John be wrong.

[00:34:56] - [Speaker 0]
I thought that is a lot of

[00:34:56] - [Speaker 2]
fun. I thought that was the best part of it. It was more that they started it back into the MCU.

[00:35:03] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:35:03] - [Speaker 2]
So we now know that this is taking place post Avengers, pre Age of Ultron. We'll need to see where it kind of lies. I'm assuming that it's going be post The Winter Soldier, so we'll probably get some reference to HYDRA, some reference to S. D. Falling down.

[00:35:24] - [Speaker 2]
I'm assuming it's that element of time. I'm curious to see we have been told that there is some crossover with Agents of S. H. L. D.

[00:35:36] - [Speaker 2]
So I'm curious. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that. Mhmm. In terms of we now know so they the episode that came out last week for Agents of Shields obviously had one or two people and the humans and etcetera, etcetera. So I don't think they'll go down that route.

[00:35:54] - [Speaker 2]
Mhmm. I'd say it'd be more nods to someone saying Coulson or to the the the army or yeah. I I I wanna see that one.

[00:36:04] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. There was one knot in there that you spotted. Wasn't there in Fogwell's Gym?

[00:36:08] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. So this has made me very happy, which is Creel versus Murdoch.

[00:36:12] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:36:12] - [Speaker 2]
There's a poster for Creel versus Murdoch. And this was seen previously in the the trailer, and Kevin has come out and said that this is the absorbing man. The absorbing man. It is Creel. So people were always going, well, how is that possible?

[00:36:32] - [Speaker 2]
Mhmm. Well, because he was younger. Yeah. He and it's hopefully, in Flashbacks, we'll see him. Probably won't be the same actor.

[00:36:39] - [Speaker 2]
If it is, myself and

[00:36:40] - [Speaker 0]
Derek had a bit of

[00:36:41] - [Speaker 2]
a discussion of how could that be. Mhmm. I don't think it will be. I think it will just be a nod to him that this is the man. They'll shave his head.

[00:36:48] - [Speaker 2]
They'll make him quite buff.

[00:36:51] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And remember, the Absorbing Man, if you don't know, he he appeared in an episode of Agents of Shields early on in season two. He's a man who has unbreakable skin or at this time anyway, he has unbreakable skin and, you know, can reform after being hit essentially.

[00:37:05] - [Speaker 3]
So And he when he touches the materials, he absorbs their properties as well. So if he touches wood, he turns to wood. Tarmac, tarmac, metal, metal. And that whole thing relates slightly as well maybe to Luke Cage, not exactly, but this whole idea of the unbreakable skin and the fact that Luke Cage is that person as well.

[00:37:29] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Yeah. So in my head, it's very entirely possible the same actor could play could play Creel in Daredevil. He just may have gotten transformed into the Absorbing Man at a certain point in his life and stayed that young for a long time. So we will see as we go through the episodes of Daredevil.

[00:37:46] - [Speaker 0]
They're all up there, so we could go and have a look and put them, have a much more fun talking about podcast at the moment. I think it's my point now, is it? Or is it?

[00:37:53] - [Speaker 3]
I think it's your point.

[00:37:54] - [Speaker 0]
Is it me? Kind of related to to John's point, I really like the explanations for questions as you ask them in your own head. I think they're really they're really well done in the episode. So, for example, when Foggy and and Matt go and find their their their law firm, I obviously would wonder how these two guys who are setting up a law firm for the first time in New York, never taken a case before straight out of college, really. How are they gonna afford an office in New York City?

[00:38:22] - [Speaker 0]
And it's explained away really quickly by saying, essentially, the destruction from the Bath Of New York destroyed the neighbor's place and the other side of the road. You guys are getting this cheap because there's nothing around you, nobody wants to live in this area because of the destruction. Really good. Matt's apartment, the reason why he's got a beautiful apartment, which everybody used to slag off about the about friends, why everybody lived in big apartments when they had no jobs. You know?

[00:38:45] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Matt Murdock lives in this apartment because they installed a gigantic billboard across the road that flashes all the way throughout the night, but he's blind, so it didn't matter to him. You know? Really good little little things that as questions come up in my head about, you know, how would this be possible? They answered them instantly.

[00:38:59] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. No. I I had the I had that whole thing. How can he afford an apartment like this? And then along came the billboard.

[00:39:06] - [Speaker 3]
Mhmm. Loved it. Absolutely loved that quick explanation. You know, didn't linger on it. It was just an obvious thing because this whole room bathed in the flashing billboard light.

[00:39:20] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. So that was really good.

[00:39:21] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. On the billboard was Xining Airways. Xining is a place in China. Very possibly, Madame Gao, as she was called out as Chinese, that's where her base of operations is. So we Yeah.

[00:39:30] - [Speaker 0]
This may not be the last we hear of us, and we now know that there's a direct flight from New York to Xining as well. Yeah.

[00:39:36] - [Speaker 2]
I'd say this might come into play with Iron Fist. Impossibly. With the whole RAND Corporation, and we'll find something there. I think I think they're gonna set up some of the villains from this to fall over into the Luke Cage, Jessica Jones. Obviously, we know this will be less superhero, more kind of vigilante, I do think they might pull some of the people over just to show that obviously, like, the triad is probably involved with kind of Jessica Jones and Kilgrave and etcetera.

[00:40:09] - [Speaker 2]
Right. And the it could even be the the hand.

[00:40:14] - [Speaker 0]
Potentially. Absolutely. Yes. There's there's tons more to explore in the show as we go on. But, yeah, that's that's definitely for me how they answered my questions as we as as they went along was just really good.

[00:40:25] - [Speaker 0]
I thought that was they found found no fault in how they were doing it.

[00:40:28] - [Speaker 2]
They actually if you look at it, if you think about it, the apartment is very similar to the 2003 film. The black stone wall kind of area, very open space, the the same kind of color schemes, the the same hallway. Yeah. I think that was a very nice nod to go, okay. Well, we're not gonna sit exactly.

[00:40:46] - [Speaker 2]
He's not gonna have a a sliding knob knob dials that he has to open up a wall. Yeah. But I think

[00:40:53] - [Speaker 0]
With 600 individually hand tailored suits made by somebody that doesn't know he's Daredevil. Yeah. Yeah. I I totally agree with you. I think it's a beautiful apartment.

[00:41:02] - [Speaker 0]
God, I'd love to live there. I wouldn't mind the flashing lights all night, to be honest.

[00:41:05] - [Speaker 2]
Blackout curtains. Blackout curtains. Exactly. Yeah. For me, I think one of the the the nice ones is, yeah, just the Fogwells Gym Mhmm.

[00:41:17] - [Speaker 2]
Which is signature to daredevil lore canon, whichever you want to call it. It it featured heavily in Miller's kind of previous comics.

[00:41:28] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:41:28] - [Speaker 2]
And I think this is a nice way. He showed Charlie Cox going in as Matt Murdock at the end, just fighting or he's fighting a punching bag. We could see he was getting his frustration out or he was fighting through the pain, but not quite. But that was just, again, at the end of the episode, it was just a nice way. This is his fortress of solitude, if you want

[00:41:51] - [Speaker 0]
to call that.

[00:41:51] - [Speaker 2]
Yes. Slips the cleaner $20 and or whatever. We just saw a note being passed, and I think that was nice. It's his area, and I think that will play again, we know it's gonna play heavily from the flashbacks. I'm wondering how it's gonna play out in present day.

[00:42:09] - [Speaker 0]
Right.

[00:42:10] - [Speaker 2]
Because I think it won't part in the old material, actually not Miller's, but Murdoch actually buys Fogwells.

[00:42:18] - [Speaker 0]
Right, right.

[00:42:18] - [Speaker 2]
And he owns it, and that's how he's able to it's his, he makes it into a similar to Danny Rand with the orphanage. Sorry. Danny Rand is Iron Fist. Mhmm. So but and he has a kinda orphanage for himself that he owns and he has kids in.

[00:42:34] - [Speaker 2]
But Murloc bought bought a gym to train and get kids off the street of Hell Kitchen.

[00:42:39] - [Speaker 1]
Right.

[00:42:39] - [Speaker 3]
Right. I'm

[00:42:40] - [Speaker 2]
wondering if that's gonna be some part maybe not this series, maybe series season two. Mhmm. But, yeah, no, that was a nice I like that, just seeing that being explained.

[00:42:48] - [Speaker 0]
Yep. I have to say, love after one episode of the show, Chris is absolutely convinced we're getting a season two. I'm totally with you there.

[00:42:54] - [Speaker 3]
Me too. Yeah. Definitely. And the thing with the when they were hitting and punching the the punch bag, it did flash between Matt Murdock and his father as well, didn't it? That whole that I really enjoyed.

[00:43:06] - [Speaker 3]
I thought that that was kind of done with the whole sort of lead in as well to all the the criminal bosses going about their thing.

[00:43:15] - [Speaker 0]
That's right.

[00:43:16] - [Speaker 3]
And Daredevil ultimately being atop of that iconic building in in New York that looks down one of the the long avenues, which I think as well we've seen in Gotham as well.

[00:43:28] - [Speaker 0]
So Yeah. We talked about it on Gotham TV podcast as well. Yeah.

[00:43:31] - [Speaker 3]
We did. Exactly. So it was that was really good. And I liked as well a lot of the stuff to do with the light where he says keep the lights off. Mhmm.

[00:43:40] - [Speaker 3]
Like, because he, you know, and even Karen Page, when she comes to his apartment, it's he doesn't bother with the lights, and she's like, it's very dark in here, like in the hallway, and I love it's just nice little touches. Solo.

[00:43:55] - [Speaker 2]
Absolutely. Exactly.

[00:43:56] - [Speaker 0]
And I love that when she turns on the lights, it's one light bulb as well. So and then the billboard outside lights up the rest of the apartment. But, yeah, you're right that the Fogwell's Gym in in to Daredevil is really what the fortress of solitude is to Superman. This is where he goes to relieve his tension from the day. Nobody else goes in and out of this place.

[00:44:15] - [Speaker 0]
It's for him to just work out his tension and work out his his abilities without anybody else watching him. Yeah. And the bedroom. Love it. Possibly, he seems to have a bit of a way with the ladies as as Foggy points out.

[00:44:29] - [Speaker 3]
Definitely. And that's kinda comes into my last point

[00:44:32] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:44:33] - [Speaker 3]
Which I really love the setup between Foggy Nelson and Matt Murdock. Definitely. Them setting up the practice, the dynamic was was great. And and Eldon Henson, who plays Foggy, I liked how he was giving cigars to the police officer to try and get a a hook into their first case, which they get.

[00:44:54] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. For his mother.

[00:44:55] - [Speaker 3]
His mother. Yeah. And just the this kind of admiration for for Matt Murdock coming from Foggy Nelson, and how it's not that there's jealousy. I don't think it's that at all, but it's just this you seem to focus in on the ladies and the good looking ones at that. It was just a great little dynamic between the two of them and them setting up the law practice.

[00:45:22] - [Speaker 3]
Again, just love the Nelson and Murdock attorneys at law scribbled on a bit of paper stuck onto the outside door of their office. Really good. So that was my kind of final point. Just their interactions were really good and I loved how they sort of set up that practice and how it kind of immediately moved into Karen Page's predicament and then obviously by the end of it she needs to pay them somehow. She no longer has a job.

[00:45:52] - [Speaker 3]
She's cooked them a meal to say thank you but then she comes on board presumably as their accountant and secretary to help out. And that's just a nice little sort of rounding off of how this new attorney practice gets set up. Really liked it.

[00:46:11] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. No. Totally agree with you. I think the pattern between the two characters as they speak to each other really does feel like they're friends for years. You know?

[00:46:17] - [Speaker 0]
I think that's it's quite difficult to come across sometimes and particularly on a TV show. But to get someone like Elvin Hansen playing this part, I think he's a really good guest. I think he plays Foggy with a problem. He's perfect. Like, he he you know, the idea that he is jealous of the fact that Matt gets women because of his blindness, he kinda goes, I should try the blindness thing sometime and get and get some girls.

[00:46:38] - [Speaker 0]
You know? Think that's really good fun. The whole element of if there's a pretty girl in the room and and she's tragic, then you're gonna get the girl, and it's gonna and I'm gonna get the the problems, essentially, is is is Foggy's idea. So you can tell there are people that went to school together, there are people that have known each other for years, and I it comes across really, really well.

[00:46:55] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. No. I agree. I just the the dynamic between them, I was about to say dynamic duo, but

[00:47:02] - [Speaker 0]
Wrong podcast.

[00:47:03] - [Speaker 2]
Wrong podcast. No. It was it was nice. It was the the humor and that kind of that leads to where I kind of wanted to take this, which is the humor between them. That is the comic relief, I think.

[00:47:14] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. This is gonna be a very dark series, very dark show in most other parts. I think that's why Foggy worked so well.

[00:47:22] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:47:22] - [Speaker 2]
The actor choice was brilliant. I know there's something about a typing in there. He has the same typing in every scene.

[00:47:29] - [Speaker 0]
Okay.

[00:47:29] - [Speaker 2]
And I was like, okay. Even different suits, same typing.

[00:47:32] - [Speaker 0]
Right.

[00:47:32] - [Speaker 2]
So I know that's I don't know what it's gonna play out, but it's gonna play out something.

[00:47:36] - [Speaker 0]
Maybe he just doesn't have any money because he's come out of college and then

[00:47:38] - [Speaker 2]
he won't type But then why have a typing?

[00:47:41] - [Speaker 0]
It's very important. It's it's very important to the law practice, maybe.

[00:47:45] - [Speaker 2]
But yeah. No. It was it was fantastic. It was well set up, they're gonna be very I think Foggy is gonna play the comic relief, which I'm hoping doesn't take away from the show. Mhmm.

[00:47:56] - [Speaker 2]
That he'll crack a joke midway through a very tough kind of thought scene where you're, like, getting really into it, then he makes a joke and brings you out. Yeah. There is an element of danger there, but I think the the writers so far in episode one have done a great job on

[00:48:11] - [Speaker 0]
it. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's the same kind of sense of humor that Ellsley has, the little Ellsley has in that other scene you spoke about, and the same kind of sense of humor that that Wesley seems to have as well.

[00:48:21] - [Speaker 0]
There the it doesn't take you out of the moment. It just feels natural.

[00:48:24] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[00:48:25] - [Speaker 0]
It feels natural that Foggy Nelson would be slightly jealous of his best friend who gets all the women who doesn't. You know, it's that that people look at him differently than they look at Matt. So he just kinda cracks a joke, and that's fine. We all have friends like that. So so it it feels good right now.

[00:48:39] - [Speaker 0]
That actually was my last point as well, John. So so we've covered ours. Chris, do you have any other main points to talk about?

[00:48:45] - [Speaker 2]
For me, Karen Page, I brought it up on when we're talking about the trailer. Mhmm. I think Deborah has actually played the role quite well

[00:48:56] - [Speaker 0]
Absolutely.

[00:48:57] - [Speaker 2]
In that she had there's an element of fragile fragility there, but she's also strong because, you know, she's been lying, so she keeps stuff to herself. And I'm wondering, will they bring this? Well, obviously, I think that they probably will do spoiler alert that she she is a drug addict. And I don't know if they'll bring that totally into it. Maybe that she just she we already know she gets in trouble, so she may get into further trouble with Kingpin.

[00:49:26] - [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

[00:49:26] - [Speaker 2]
And then that leads to one of the biggest revelations in the comic books was that, okay, I'm getting nods not to say anything.

[00:49:35] - [Speaker 0]
I don't know whether we can spoil Yeah.

[00:49:36] - [Speaker 2]
We will spoil

[00:49:36] - [Speaker 0]
spoil arcs of the comic book. Just in case they come up on the show, we're Yeah. We're covering each episode as we go. We're not covering any of the future episodes or watching four or five and then podcasting back. We're watching an episode and podcasting about it.

[00:49:47] - [Speaker 0]
So just in case it happens

[00:49:49] - [Speaker 2]
In the next four episodes, I'm gonna keep it to myself.

[00:49:51] - [Speaker 0]
Just in case. But but

[00:49:52] - [Speaker 3]
we will we will put a little

[00:49:53] - [Speaker 0]
pin on that. And if it happens, you can tell us which which one you were talking

[00:49:55] - [Speaker 2]
Put it on the daredevil board.

[00:49:57] - [Speaker 0]
There you go.

[00:49:57] - [Speaker 2]
The daredevil board. Yeah. No. So I'm just I'm very curious how they're gonna take that character. And I think I think Deborah Deborah Ann will play that role very well.

[00:50:09] - [Speaker 2]
And I'm I'm just I'm hoping that she does it justice, especially the kind of more emotional scenes.

[00:50:15] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. No. I'm I have to say I'm very impressed with Deborah Ann Woll here. She was in True Blood and I know her very well from that. I saw many seasons of that show.

[00:50:22] - [Speaker 0]
She played a great character on that show. In this show, she is very fragile and a tragic figure sometimes, and she comes across really well like that. She she does need help, but as you say, she is strong enough to say, I have the I have the thumb drive in my apartment. I'm gonna retrieve it, and I'm still gonna keep this this piece hanging over Kingpin because that's what's gonna keep me alive, essentially. So she's still working for herself and still doesn't fully trust Matt and Matt and Foggy at the time.

[00:50:48] - [Speaker 0]
But, yeah, really good really good role by by Deborah Ann Woll.

[00:50:51] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. I loved as well the fact that the first time we see her, her hands are covered in blood, just like Jessica from True Blood.

[00:50:58] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:50:59] - [Speaker 3]
Which love that show. And I love Jessica, in that show. I wonder whether it was just a a nice little reference to the fact that she did literally hot tail it from the final season on final episodes of True Blood up to New York, and to start filming Daredevil. And of course, we're introduced to her with blood all over her hands, holding a bloody knife with a bloodstained carpet and a bloody corpse, in front of her. I wonder if if you zoom in, there were neck wounds.

[00:51:32] - [Speaker 3]
I just wonder if they did a nice little touch there, but I love that. I really did like that and kind of almost maybe accidental reference to her True Blood origins

[00:51:43] - [Speaker 0]
as well. Yeah. Think it was it was only something like forty eight hours after she shot her final scenes, for True Blood that she was on on the set of Daredevil. It was really, really quick. She talked about it in New York Comic Con when she was being interviewed, that she was very new to the show and the cast are very late, she came on board.

[00:51:58] - [Speaker 0]
I think she's doing a great job. And there's a really good chemistry between her, Foggy, and and Matt. Think they they should work together in the law firm really well, I think.

[00:52:06] - [Speaker 2]
Love triangle, anyone?

[00:52:07] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, maybe. Maybe. But maybe she will also be going for the daredevil rather than for Matt Murdock. So we could have could have some of that stuff. Guys, any other points about the episodes?

[00:52:19] - [Speaker 3]
No. I am all pointed out.

[00:52:22] - [Speaker 0]
Excellent. Excellent. So guys, if that's all your points about the episode, Chris, do you defend Daredevil episode one?

[00:52:29] - [Speaker 2]
Completely innocent.

[00:52:33] - [Speaker 0]
John, do you defend Daredevil episode one?

[00:52:36] - [Speaker 3]
I do defend Daredevil episode one, and I give it four horns out of five.

[00:52:43] - [Speaker 0]
Excellent. Excellent. And for me, yes, I defend it, and I cannot wait to see the other 12 episodes of this show. Alright. Well, listeners, thank you very much for listening to this episode of of Defenders TV Podcast.

[00:52:54] - [Speaker 0]
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[00:53:09] - [Speaker 3]
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[00:53:21] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you very much for listening. We'll talk to you again over this weekend.

[00:53:25] - [Speaker 2]
See you guys. Bye. Crying.