Umbrella Academy Season 4 Episode 3 Podcast

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Umbrella Academy on TV Podcast Industries and we're discussing the Umbrella

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Academy Season 4 Episode 3, The Squid and the Girl.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Umbrella Academy Season 4 Episode 3, The Squid and the Girl.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back fellow Academy alumni and brawly dollies, this is TV Podcast Industries and

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: we're discussing the Umbrella Academy Season 4 Episode 3, The Squid and the Girl.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And no, that's not the title of Ben's sex tape.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I am one of your hosts, Chris.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm your other host, Derek.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The Squid and the Girl.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting version.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We are at the halfway point on the season, the final season of the Umbrella Academy.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's really funny, isn't it?

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We come from UK TV, obviously Chris and myself, and it's so interesting that we keep talking

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: about how short this season is.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's awful they've only got six episodes.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: This was our entire growing up experience with sci-fi shows in the UK and Ireland

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that only lasted six episodes a season and then they go away for a whole year

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and come back with six more episodes.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That was our whole experience.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But here we are, yeah, halfway point for this season of the final season of the

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Umbrella Academy.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember how bad it was when they did Sherlock?

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like two episodes a year, even one a year.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, OK, it's an hour and a half.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, my God, we have to wait another 12 months for just to see Benedict Cumberbatch

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: do Sherlock again.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll never see it now because him and Martin are marvelled up.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they can't align their schedules at all, unfortunately.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I did start rewatching Sherlock last week, actually, Chris.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing that you've brought that up.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I started rewatching and it's such a good show.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely loved it.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're Sherlocked in all Umbrella Academy Episode 3.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That too, Chris.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Umbrella Academy alumni.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to discuss this episode in pure spoiler filled approaches.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't watched it, make sure you just pop on over.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you've watched all six episodes of the show so far.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're the ones that are behind, right, Chris?

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we are. But that is the thing.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We are watching them episode by episode and then podcasting because we want to get

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: into the nitty gritty, the minutia that has been pulled together of this.

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[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm. Absolutely.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we always kind of talk about the fact that that Netflix drops all these

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: episodes in one go and it's really difficult to cover a Netflix show because I've

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: dropped them one go and everybody watches them and then disappears.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the last season of Umbrella Academy, we really wanted to give it its due.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to talk about each episode as we went and give it the time that they

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: deserve because we've loved these characters for four seasons.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: What's it?

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Sixty six years now since we started covering the Umbrella Academy or five

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: years since we started covering the Umbrella Academy.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So we want to make sure that we give it its time as we talk about each episode of

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the show as well.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So delighted to have you all on board with us, of course, and loving your feedback so far.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting because I've seen feedback about the last episode.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody has sent in all their feedback about the last episode.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So as Chris said, we'd love to hear your episode by episode thoughts as we go as well.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So keep sending them in to us.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And you may notice we are missing a third voice.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We are.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, our third podcast is still stuck in another dimension,

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: another timeline.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He may join us towards the end.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Time will tell.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The as literally they say, who knows the future?

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: No one.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But if it's written in the stars, it's just us that's written in the stars.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But we will hold out hope.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have him towards the finale.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we will just enjoy our dulcet tones.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, as it stands right now, I'll be honest.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think John's going to be back podcasting for at least another week or so,

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: which does impact our next podcast.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: We are lucky to cover Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power,

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: one of John's favorite universes of TV shows.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Lord of the Rings coming out with its next season this week in a couple of days time.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We have seen the episodes, but I'm not sure if John's going to be able to podcast

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: about them until a bit later on at the season.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But as that shows going weekly, it means we just give us the ability to catch up

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: with the episodes as they go on.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So we may not start at exactly the starting point of Lord of the Rings,

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: we will hopefully be able to catch up with it as the season goes on.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and unfortunately I did offer to sub in,

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but my discussion points of having not seen season one at all,

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and rarely parts and not remembering any of the films,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, so Big Ear Elf over there got really annoyed with that dwarfy person

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: who versus actually is jumping around with Lenny Henry.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and the Eye in the Sky is actually a DC character.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not Olmach.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Unsurprisingly, I said no to the very kind offer of Chris to sub in.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say, and I can say it now because the embargo has lifted on season two of Rings of

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Power, go check it out.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's well worth it.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Season one was set up, which we always knew it was going to be establishing that world.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But season two is really, really enjoyable so far.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Go check that out.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I love how you have to say they have to set up the world of Lord of the Rings.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This is hundreds of years before the universe that we've seen in The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So they have to establish where we are, what that world was all about in the first season.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And there were some awesome episodes the first season.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't tell you to skip that either.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But go check out season one and season two of Rings of Power.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Season two starts off very, very well.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Very impressed with it so far.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent stuff.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But we're not here to talk about Rings of Power.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We are here to talk about Netflix's Umbrella Academy.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we are.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So, Derek, without further ado,

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: let us dive into season four, episode three of Umbrella Academy.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The squid and the girl.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to give us the episode details?

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The show, of course, was created for television by Steve Blackman

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and developed by Jeremy Slater,

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: based on the comic books by Jared Way and Gabriel Bha.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This episode was directed by Paco Cabezas.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He directed episodes seven and eight of season three

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and directs three, four, and six of the six-episode seasons.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The director, who's had most to do with the final season of Umbrella Academy,

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: previously directed four episodes of Penny Dreadful

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and two episodes of the sequel series Penny Dreadful City of Angels,

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: both of which we covered here on TV podcast Industries as well.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was, wasn't it?

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It was such a good City of Angels.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the one I was like, oh, I really wish we had it.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one I'm sad we never got more of.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got one season which set up a great second season,

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: which never came to pass, unfortunately.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But this episode was written by Erin Michelle Williams and Elizabeth Padden.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Erin has been a staff writer in the show since season two of the Umbrella Academy

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and wrote two episodes of season three as well.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is Elizabeth's second episode of Umbrella Academy.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: As we mentioned before, lots of returning writers for the show,

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the writers' room and the staff writers all pretty much staying involved

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: all the way through the seasons of this show.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And with that said, Chris, do you want to give us

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: a summary for Umbrella Academy season four, episode three, The Squid and the Girl?

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: In October 2006, fishermen caught a giant squid off the coast of the US

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: with a young girl trapped inside.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: When asked what happened, the young girl responded with two words,

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the cleanse.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after, Reginald built a town in Maine for the young girl Jennifer

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to live a normal life yet stay protected.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: In the present day, Reginald's body is changed after colliding

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: with the now grown Jennifer during her kidnapping by the doctors Jean and Jean Dibbido.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Klaus gets his drug dealer Quinn to kill him, but after he discovers Klaus's immortality,

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: he kidnaps him with a plan for Klaus to pay back his debts.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Five, Diego and Lila go to the Keepers HQ.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Five reveals to Lila that his power is now allowing him to navigate between timelines

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: via subway station to the same place, but in a different timeline.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He has no control over where they travel to and when they find themselves in

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Five's original apocalypse he quickly returns them to Diego.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Diego finds files from the original timeline, which list Ben's calls to death as

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the Jennifer Incident, a mission from the Umbrella Academy's past that none of the

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: family can quite remember.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Alice and Victor and Lita go to the Hargreaves Manor where they meet Abigail and Reginald.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: When Diego, Five and Lila arrive they realise that the original Reginald

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Hargreaves have raised their memories of how Ben died and upon reuniting they

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: attempt to restore their memory.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Jean and Jean show Jennifer mementos of the original timeline

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: as well as the giant squid they found her in.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They reveal she is the key to destroying all timelines and restoring the original one.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: On his own solo quest Ben is told by Cy Grossman to use the wounds he got from

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Jennifer and listen to his body to find her.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He arrives at Jean and Jean's hideout and unleashes his inner horror to free Jennifer,

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: all the while unaware that the Thibodauxs intentionally let them escape

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to carry out their plan.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Leading into the Clans and I believe Episode 4 is called The Clans so I guess we're going to go full

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: circle over the course of these two episodes.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think we need to jump into it because I really there's a lot to discuss in.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some fun stuff to discuss in this episode.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We talk about our big moments, the big things that stood out to us in the episode overall.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So Chris, where do you want to start?

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: What's your big moment from the episode?

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that you want to talk about most.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to discuss Jennifer, Jean, Jean and the horror or as I like to call it,

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Jen, Jean, Jean and the horror.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't find-

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Jen, Jean, Jean, Ben?

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I could have been, yeah.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a better way.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get in there because this is interesting.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of OG artifacts that Jean and Jean have on site from the umbrella fact.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Going through the overall warehouse, I would say the barn of the artifacts and looking in

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the background, there's definitely stuff I was like, oh, I remember that.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that from season two or season one or all those little nice Easter eggs.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really enjoyed that.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I also enjoyed this flashback to The Squid.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Really just adding additional confusion for me.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I was really trying to understand why a little girl was in The Squid.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure lots of other people were too.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I loved about that opening scene though?

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: How sweary the coverage was on the TV.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It really made me laugh.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So 1995, we were alive in 1995.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw news reports that were going on.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This is true live TV when the reporter is out talking to these two fishermen who've

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: captured the biggest squid of all time.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Possibly worldwide is what they're saying.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fun chat, but I love how sweary it gets on live TV.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They start out by saying, we just thought it was effing huge.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's as she's talking to them.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But even the reporter gets into it as she goes along,

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: realizing this is like a massive moment.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We know now live reports are usually two or three second delayed live reports.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So they catch people and news reporters who may get a bit difficult on air.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the fun parts about it.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, inside The Massive Squid, we find Jennifer hidden inside.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's saying that the reason why she's there is the cleanse.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what happened.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So very interesting.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if it is also going to end up being some timey-wimey type of thing.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally, they're going to take it all the way back and somehow someone falls in,

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: a little girl falls into it, and then that's actually the plan.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You could do some weird wacky stuff, which I know they would.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that this is setting up something completely off the wall.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Or at the very least, it's setting up an explanation

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: for something that we've heard about since season one, the Jennifer incident,

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the death of Ben.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Back in 2006, that's when Ben died.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the mission that they were on.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of full circle moment that we're finally getting an explanation

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for what happened on that mission.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know it was called Jennifer back in the day.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So we just knew that Ben died on the mission.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It is fun to see how they are expanding upon this.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So pulling in lore, my assumption is they would probably, or have probably discussed this with

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Jared and Gabriel.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to go, hey, is this good?

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this does start to rewrite the overall universe that is the Umbrella Academy.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would argue now, I think we already argued ourselves about

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that this very much, the Umbrella Academy Netflix is very much their own thing now.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They have surpassed by a long amount the comic books, the OG material.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: For our wonderful fellow Umbrella Academy alumni,

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: myself and Chris do talk off air outside of the podcast as well.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: No, we don't.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't break the illusion.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The discussion that we had was, I'm not a big fan of the comic books.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That were created there.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They're fine.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They're grand.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I can kind of see why they were out there mostly because of the extraordinary star power

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that comes with Jared way to get them created in the story that he wanted to tell.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think the TV show has done a better job of telling the story with these characters

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and gone far beyond that the drama that's there on TV on Netflix is much better than

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: as written in the books.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think at this stage, they have created a story and now they want

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: to close out the story of the characters that have been created for the Netflix show.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They really don't bear a huge amount of resemblance at this stage

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to the original counterparts that were in the comic book.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a personal opinion, of course, but that's how we've discussed it afterwards.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not taking a storyline from the comic books as you've mentioned, Chris.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You've read all of them.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: This isn't a storyline that's in the comic books.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: They're taking a storyline from the show and expanding on it to close out the show.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very much as almost everyone's we all understand multiverse now.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It is ingrained in pop culture.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You could almost think of the comic books being their own universe.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's your own universe, their own timeline, their own thing.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The Netflix show is its own version.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoy this because you also like Jean and Jean are their own characters.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And we get that beautiful, crazy scene between Jean Jean and Jen.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And when they act as like those homely, I don't even know how to say it.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's that we how do you that almost granny grandpa like folksy

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Midwest kind of friendliness and you're like, oh, that just seems so weird.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I suppose the fact that they kidnapped Jennifer last week

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and we didn't know the intentions of Jean and Jean up until this week.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to get to the Clans.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: They know who Jennifer is and they want to get there.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: She's the key to it.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But to see her waking up in the house and being brought freshly dried clothes and breakfast,

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but they do get the dance sequence of this season, I guess.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They have their moment where they're dancing to share

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and full choreographed dance in this episode,

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: which is something that has been a true hallmark of the TV version of the Umbrella Academy.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But their dances to shares gypsies, traps and thieves and excellent song.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Always love that.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I got a good style about it.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So having them do their choreographed dance to that.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're right, Chris.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just you don't know who these characters are.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know where they come from.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And they seem very ornery, very nice, kind people.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Just trying to get Jennifer to solve this big issue that they've discovered.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The timelines that don't match the possibility that she could be the one

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: that will collapse the timelines and bring it back to what they believe to be their real timeline.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They are really interesting.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They talk about them being in community college, don't they?

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And they got fired from tenure in community college.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yet in their real timelines, they believe one of them worked in Harvard

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and another worked in another massive Ivy League university.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And they believe that's their real timeline.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So again, some interesting indications of where they come from

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and where they think they should be wanting to get back to.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't feel like the evil characters trying to enact their evil plan.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They feel like two people who have been lost into terrible timelines going for,

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: again, tenure in Ivy League colleges to small community universities.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet we do know that they are incredibly violent.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they can be.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We saw them in the first outing where they shot the other umbrella effect,

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: memento gatherer blood.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you watch them rip them off for 10,000 euro for a VHS or 10,000 dollars for a VHS.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of money for a VHS tape.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen I've seen weirder things for VHS.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, I think this is this is setting up again, like they're setting up

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: some really interesting kind of pieces here, both with the characters,

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the Jen and Ben storyline, and then just what the cleanse could be.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we started to kind of posited a few things last episode.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're starting to get some ideas, but we'll probably see more

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: in the next episode, of course, in terms of what it really is.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm I think outside of Jen, Gene and Gene, seeing Ben go full horror.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like go almost like being drawn like an animalistic rage and trance rage

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: with full tentacles kind of swinging tree to tree level stuff here.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Tarzan, but like evil.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was really cool, wasn't it?

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you met up with Cy Grossman who was able to track him.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: David Cross, who we mentioned how awesome he is last episode.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But as Ben goes off on his own solo mission, meets up with Cy Grossman,

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Cy Grossman tells him to listen to his body and that will find his way to Jennifer.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: His version of listening to his body is not just the connection that he made

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with Jennifer, that burn mark that's the pulsating burn mark that's on his arm.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also it looks like he's able to control that power of,

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: as you call them from the comic books, the horror and the tentacle,

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the monster that's inside Ben, that cool moment where he walks in

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: on the tentacles rather than walking in with legs.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like something out of a horror movie.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But in the background, as you're seeing in the flashing of lightning and the

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: darkness that's there and the flashes that are going on of gunfire towards the horror,

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you're seeing him rip apart the bodies of

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Gene and Gene's security guards that are at their home.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks cool.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really awesome.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The fight sequences in this show have always been real standouts.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish we'd been able to see a bit more of this moment with

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the horror, with Ben ripping people apart because he is definitely up there

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: with the rest of the Umbrella Academy in terms of his power, right?

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But we see just moments of it.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We just see flashes of the background in this moment.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's cool though.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: My assumption was just this was a money decision because

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a lot of CGI to make Ben be up and the way he is.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like we did talk about last week that we haven't seen Pogo at all

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: so far this season and we do have those things that are revealed that Gene and Gene

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: have from other universes.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a little statue of Pogo that we see in there and I'm going,

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: statue is really easy to put on screen rather than a CGI version of a talking monkey, right?

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's our Pogo for the season.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the max we'll get.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But overall, look, I just enjoy this.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy Gene.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy Gene.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy Jennifer's reaction to the lamb and milk.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I enjoy Ben and being that pulled, feeling that call being discussed by Cy

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and like it all just kind of starting to coalesce the storyline of the plans,

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: storyline of Jennifer, storyline of Ben.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: On the very point we're going to have to get Benifer being named.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just when.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if it's not around the real world,

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: might as well be around in the Umbrella Academy.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's my big point for this episode.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent stuff.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: My big point is about Diego five and Lila's very successful mission.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Really going off to the Keepers headquarters,

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: which we saw in the previous episode where Lila and five had been investigating

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: the Keepers undercover behind Diego's back.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how it all comes out really early in the episode that that's what's happened.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Really early they're kind of going, who are these guys,

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Gene and Gene and five just goes, all right, exposition dump time.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what happens.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Previously on Umbrella Academy that you weren't aware of Diego.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And then in the car on the way there,

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Diego finds out that his thoughts that Lila could be cheating on him

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Greek guy with the mustache.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That obviously turns out to be wrong.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That's five undercover.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So all of that's pieced together on the way to their mission.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But Diego tries to prove himself, which is always good.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Diego has been such a great character over the course of the last few seasons.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And now he feels beaten down and suburban in this life that he'd been in.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But we see him here really using all of his skills

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and being the one to find the resolution to what they're looking for,

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: find at least some information.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Five and Lila actually don't do anything on this mission.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Diego that finds all the information that's been hidden,

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: all the information that doesn't arrive in the in the rubbish bins.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The ones, the bits that were left behind by Gene and Gene.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the one that works all that out.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Pieces the story together while Five and Lila go off on their little sojourn

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: into the alternate timelines through the subway system

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that they still both don't understand.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's left to Diego and it just feels like Diego stands up,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: becomes himself again, becomes the character that we've known

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and loved for three seasons and is able to do the investigation,

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: is able to show how useful he is.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of love that as he pieces it all together

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and sits down in front of Five and Lila, he goes,

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet you really regret not giving him my CV to the CIA, right?

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He pieces it all together since they didn't do anything,

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: since they didn't learn anything on behalf of the investigation of

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the Keepers.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That was really good.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's also the side story of what happens with Five and Lila, right?

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So we've talked about the powers of the characters

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and how they've changed.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We learned that Five travels into this subway system,

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: this subway system that connects all the timelines

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in the last couple of episodes.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Lila, is she able to control his powers still?

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like she is.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She grabs onto Five's arm and makes him do that jump

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: when he didn't want to, right?

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's more I took that she's able to mimic.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That was her thing which was kind of mimicking.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That was her old power, yeah.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And we learned that she has this new power of

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: shooting lasers out of eyeballs,

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but it seems like she's still able to mimic and push Five into doing it.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, interesting.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder whether that was a writer's issue or they just went,

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: ah, nobody will mind.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's nobody will mind because again, his power has changed that.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He can teleport, but he can only teleport to the subway station.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He can use the subway station to go to wherever he left from teleporting

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: in another timeline.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's interesting.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Hers is now she can mimic the other people's power and kind of like you say,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of use that to say teleport, but she also has Cyclops level eyes.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm wondering if there's more to Five's power as well now at a certain point.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There was an interesting moment within that as well where they do,

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: take the train subway system, I guess, within these timelines to his apocalypse,

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: to the apocalypse that we saw back in season one where Five had stayed for 40 years,

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: where he jumped to by mistake and it's been stuck there for 40 years.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So we see the alternative version of Five shooting from battlements

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: as the appearance of our Five and Leela arriving in his apocalypse,

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: where he'd been alone for four years with his mannequin.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the only thing that's been keeping in company for a few years.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's in his gun, I guess.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That was always a fun storyline.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He was married to a mannequin.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He was.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But I really liked this.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked Diego being able to stand up and be himself.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to have the same level of character depth that we've had in the

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: previous seasons because we only have six episodes out of 10.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we're not going to have that.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Having a moment here with Diego being able to stand up and show

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: all of his abilities to his family and go, look how useful I am.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a really important member of this team.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm able to find out all the information that you wouldn't be able to find out.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And the information that he finds out is that the Jennifer incident is what killed Ben.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This connection here that we have to the cleanse as the Gene and Gene are calling it,

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that is what killed Ben in the past.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So something that we would never have found out otherwise, right?

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's Batman.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we talked about it last episode.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He is still Batman.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He is still like, that's what he was before all of this happened for the whole season one kicked off.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he is, he is good at his job or what was his job.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see him exercise that again, because I feel like he's somewhat of a butt of a joke sometimes.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, yeah.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They all are.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Luther 100%.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Luther was the leader, but Luther then becomes literally the butt of many jokes throughout the seasons.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And he does use that butt to a lot of his advantages as a professional dancer, Chris.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to shake that money maker.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That was good.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well done.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But look, I'm in agreement with you.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this was a good use of the time together across the three of them.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do want to know more about the Jennifer instance.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where seeing them all go to Reginald Hargreaves meeting Hargreaves' wife.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got a bit of time on screen with Reginald Hargreaves' wife who we hadn't seen much.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We kind of see her, you know, that she was being protected on the moon by Luther,

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: which we learned in I think the second season.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It took all the way, at least all the way through the first scene to learn why he was on the moon.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But actually finally seeing her on screen and finally getting some interaction with the kids,

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it's really good.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So then the decision is, yeah, Reginald of the OG Reginald probably kind of blocked

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: their memories and let's figure this out.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's find out what the Jennifer incident is.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a good place to end because it does give us that right setup, which is,

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, okay, how did Ben die?

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give us that information and let's find out more about how Jennifer was involved

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: in the OG timeline because that is going to give us some

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: information going into the next episode and beyond.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, again, we've talked about the Netflix-ness of the Umbrella Academy in the past.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the absolute perfect Netflix-ness, isn't it?

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: All of them sit into their seats and it just goes to credits.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You've only got to wait three seconds to find out what happens next.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Or in our case, however long this podcast recording takes plus some more.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Plus that 45 minutes to watch it.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Anything else from the episode that we haven't talked about, Chris?

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, again, just the Easter eggs in the barn with

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Jean Jean's barn and the Keepers HQ.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That was cool.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I haven't gone deep on it, but if you go on X or Instagram, there is

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of stills of people going, this is from this part and this is from here.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, we've gone deep on it.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's very cool.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw things like the violin that Vanya was playing back in season one

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that calls the original apocalypse when she was playing it.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's there.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: We see Diego's weapons are in there.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw the statue of Pogo.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The action figures of the actual Umbrella Academy as kids.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Really, really enjoyed seeing those little touches in their bushel.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not going to call it a college.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: All of the Easter eggs.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's for websites.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but didn't we see that the mask of Chacha, Mary J.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Blige's character from the first season was in that box back in episode one

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that they got that had the marigold in it.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's loads and loads of things.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like they went, this is our final season.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get all the props from the last three seasons, bring them in

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and use them as little touch points for all the fans.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have to make new ones.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I kind of love, to be honest.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a big fan of shows like Doctor Who where they do that,

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: where they pick things out from the 60s or 70s or 80s

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and put them in as little Easter eggs in the background of those characters.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So why not do it on Umbrella Academy in your final season?

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_03]: 100%.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm messing, but I enjoy it.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the guy that just watched Despicable Me 4 and looking at all the other Despicable Me's

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and or like Sing or things like that where you can see Gru and the minions

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in different properties and vice versa.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They do that too.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the same with, that's Illumination, but when you have Dreamworks

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: they do their version of that, like Pixar do, like here's Monsters,

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Ink in X or here's Stitch in Y.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So I enjoy those types of films.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that you're going so early on this Chris.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you'd be waiting until Miles was at least five or six to be going deep into the

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Easter egg lore of animated movies.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you'd just be going into like all the horror movies that you can watch now

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: since he's so young he wouldn't retain information.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: See, I thought that but then I remember watching it when I was six.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's problematic.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's problematic.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's problematic.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But do it now.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Do it now before Miles gets older.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: What about yourself?

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Any notes from your side?

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: What I want to talk about really is Klaus because we haven't talked about him here.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But the end of last episode was Klaus being brought back alive by effectively Alison,

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: but really the whole team.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Alison was the one that did it.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But Klaus goes wild on the whole team, but specifically Alison.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that the relationship that they've had for years is she's been the one that's

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: effectively been holding his hair back when he throws up after his binge drinking or

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: him going completely off the rail.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But he takes it out of her and every other member of the team except Lila,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: which I really liked.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: When he's going through the team he goes daddy issues, daddy issues, mommy issues,

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: definitely more daddy issues.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you seem very well adjusted actually to Lila, which I really enjoyed.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But then he goes off back to old Klaus instantly, which is really sad.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He spent three years dealing with the repercussions of how far he went in the past,

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the sex and drugs and everything else that he did, the cult leadership that he did in the past.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But he goes completely off the ground immediately.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes back to Alison's home while Claire is out to basically steal anything that isn't nailed in.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Claire confronts him before he leaves, which I thought was a really good scene.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Knowing that he's an addict, knowing that he needs somebody to intervene before he goes back

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to his old self.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But unable to persuade her uncle Klaus to give up this path that he's going to go down.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we see a bit more of it later on when he meets up with Quinn,

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: who was a member of the biker gang from last season or season two,

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The Mothers of Agony that Pogo is a member of.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's interesting that they're bringing him back into the season.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But a really odd moment where Klaus, after effectively learning how to float in front of him.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen Klaus have that power before.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's able to float in the air.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He encourages Quinn to shoot him in the head and kill him.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he just does that.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he just trying to prove that he doesn't have any fear of death again?

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what he's trying to do?

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he encouraged Quinn to do it.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's revealed later on that once Quinn finds the said he goes,

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hang on a second.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a use for you.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Captures him, brings them home to their lair and hangs them upside down.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_03]: A great line from Robert Sheehan there though with, don't leave me hanging.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Just really good.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Enjoyed that.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So Klaus again back on his death wish very quickly again.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Back to old Klaus.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Back to season one.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I found it like you made the joke about he tried to grab anything that wasn't nailed down.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He still grabbed the TV that was nailed down.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It certainly was.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He ripped it off the wall.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed this because it gets you back to Robert Sheehan doing what

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Sheehan does best with the character.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say my issue quote unquote like bunny ears,

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: is it just he goes from zero to 100.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just so quick.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a bit of like character level whiplash that I guess.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I understand again, there are a timeline here.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: A very short time.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Not yet intended.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it just was so quick.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the best to get him back to junkie.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You could have just had at least given us a 30 second scene with him in the bar

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: having like a shot or a drink for the first time.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Or just something to get you straight back to junkie Klaus.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it was like literally I'm back alive now.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Taxi, right?

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Off I go.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Off I go to Claire's house to or to Alison's house to rob everything off that isn't nailed down.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see any of it and even Claire says to him

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you don't seem like you're in a very good place here

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and I don't think a beer is going to make this any better at all for you.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't think there's going to be any alcohol that will sort this out for you.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You seem to be in a bad place, you know?

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're right.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It does seem like things that are written to expedite the story rather than things that

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: would make place go over the edge.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It just seems like he goes, right, well now I'm back.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't die so off I go to put myself to the test.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And he will try.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And he will try.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He will try.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But overall, Chris, what did you think of episode three of season four of Umbrella Academy?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, learning more and more about the Keepers, the Powers, but again for me this is

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the storyline.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: What is the Cleanse?

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What will it be?

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What is this weird animalistic attraction craziness between Ben and Jan?

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: When will they officially call them Benifer or Jan?

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't work as much.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, it's just finding out what's happening.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, the characters are the characters.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, just spending time with this family is always fun.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: This felt, it moved the story along for a lot of characters, for some at the right

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: pace and for others as we won't get back into it, just at a whiplash pace.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But it sets us up in a good place for episode four.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: To really go deep on what is happening, what happened and what's next.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So overall, still really enjoyed it and looking to get further in.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What about yourself?

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really enjoyed this.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: This seemed like it was at a massive pace considering what we've had in previous

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: seasons of the show where this kind of story will be spread over a few episodes.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: This was going fast and I think the big reveal of the episode is

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in a dropped line from Gene and Gene.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: When they're talking to Jennifer, they kind of look at it for the first time and they go,

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: we have so many questions about the Clans, tell us about the Clans.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the next time you see them, they go, so what you're supposed to be doing is

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: destroying all of the timelines and restoring the original timeline.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that right, Jennifer?

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're going, oh, okay, that's the Clans, I guess.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the big crux this whole thing is based on for the season.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So you've just told us it all in one episode and it's gone from

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: here's the family without powers, here's the family with powers,

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_03]: here's the setup for the season and it all went by in a click of fingers.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And we've got three episodes left.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it has told us everything we need to know to get us to

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: how is this season going to end, right?

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They've got to stop the Clans from happening because that will kill everybody

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: in this timeline or they've got to go with the Clans and go back to just the original

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: timeline. That's the choice that they have to make between now and the end of the season.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It was great to see the family interact all together and great to see them back with

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Reggie Bush with the addition of Abigail, Reggie's wife.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of cool to have that interaction rather than them once again just having

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Reggie being the alien amongst them all telling them, oh, my decisions are

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: the right decisions and all you kids are terrible at your jobs.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That was kind of a nice addition to the show.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully we get a bit more of Abigail interaction as the rest of the series goes

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: on. She's a nice addition to the show and kind of understand how she balanced

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Reggie out and when she wasn't around, that's why he's been so unhinged,

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess, for the past few seasons.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was quite nice.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we got our dance sequence in this episode with Jean and Jean

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: doing Gypsy's Tramps and Thieves.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That was great fun.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish it was longer.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I have wished about all the dance sequences from all the seasons.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, will we get a final dance sequence at the end of episode six?

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They've been so big and so loved by the fans.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, Chris?

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I really do hope so.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that there's something there.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Dancing to a Fade to Black would be lovely.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Would be cool.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll close out with something like Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run as they all

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_03]: run in separate directions.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The final impending apocalypse killed everybody else.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The cleanse cleanses them.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's our thoughts.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's our thoughts.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get a quick pop in and check in with our Academy alumni

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_03]: with some messages from the future.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We got a message in on Facebook from Dr. Bob Phillips who says,

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: High points of this episode where the reverse clockwork orange machine,

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_03]: line dancing PhDs and the return of Klaus.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's about to do a Captain Jack and be killed for money.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to seeing how Lila and Five unpick the subway problem.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Will there be a nod to the trolley bus conundrum?

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And why a giant squid can make the world clean again?

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how you write down the episodes, Dr. Bob.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really funny.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Captain Jack from Doctor Who couldn't die at all.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he got killed for money though.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_03]: At least not very often in the show itself.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But Klaus, yeah, I wonder if that's it.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Can Willie be someone that people can vent their rage on?

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that how he's going to be used by the Mothers of Agony?

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Could be, could be.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I always remember Captain Jack from the long, well, the short lived,

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: long wish for more of Torchwood where it was the adult Doctor Who

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: where they got it to some very serious dark versions and I was like,

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is good.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: This is really good.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It came and went, but there should have been more.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It did, yeah.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Quite literally that would have been maybe one of the jokes that was written into

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the early couple of seasons just to make it a bit more adult.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a good show overall.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It did like a Captain Jack was a great character.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Regularly appeared across Doctor Who for all of the seasons.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, great to think about that.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That could be what Klaus is doing.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure if they'll go for killed for money.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they might go somewhere else with Klaus

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because that would be just awful.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They've just had Robert Sheen having his head cut off in one episode

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and then maybe getting stabbed through the heart in the next episode.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he just keeps coming back if that's the way they're going to go.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, thanks so much, Dr. Bob for your thoughts.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks, Dr. Bob.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They might even just have him levitate into weird places that no other people can get to.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's it.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a quinsome levitation.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's one of the new powers, I guess.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Dr. Bob.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you so much to everyone else for your feedback.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget, head on over to Facebook.com slash group slash TV podcast and leave us your

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: feedback there or send us your feedback to feedback at TV podcast industries dot com.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And you still have multiple episodes where we can hear it.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So get it in now and we'll read it out on the show and discuss it.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But with all that said and done, thank you so much for joining us

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: for episode three of season four of the Embraer Academy.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We will be back with episode four of season four, The Cleanse.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's finally going to be revealed or will it just happen?

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Surprise!

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The next episode five and six is just black dark screen.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Or episode four, The Cleanse happens in episode five and six,

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: as everybody works out how to live their real lives in the main timeline.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That could be it.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I do wonder with all the apocalypses that have gone on

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: throughout the last three seasons of the Embraer Academy,

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: if they get brought back to one central timeline, will it just end five minutes later

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_03]: with one of the three apocalypses that have happened so far?

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you go back to on the main timeline?

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe the tip of those, the gene and gene,

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe they're making the wrong decision here to go back to a timeline

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_03]: where maybe their lives ended three minutes later, you know?

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Might not be the greatest of plans, but we'll find out I guess

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: in the next episode of the Embraer Academy.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know 100%.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what the ending is going to be now.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you said that.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They get back, everyone's happy and then they turn around

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and literally someone comes in and goes,

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the apocalypse is coming in 24 hours.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Their life is forever.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Apocalypses in three days.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we know it's the last season, Chris, and they can't end in a cliffhanger.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it'll just be ever after.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not how this works.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe somebody will run in and go, you can't dance here.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a town like out of footloose.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Dancing has been banned.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess we'll find that out in a couple more episodes time.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much for joining us for our discussion about

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the third episode of the final season of Embraer Academy.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back next time.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Until then, keep watching.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Keep listening.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Keep dancing.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You can dance if you want to.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You can leave your friends behind.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't dance, hey.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you were so close to knowing all the lyrics.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I was quite impressed.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I get where we do some of it.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.