Marvel Zombies Episode 3 Review

MARVEL ZOMBIES EPISODE 3 TRANSCRIPT

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[DEREK]: This is the Defenders Podcast on TV podcast industries this time we're talking about Marvel Zombies episode 3.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: Hey, it's Thor here.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: Can we talk to him?

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[VALKERIE]: Are you having trouble hearing me?

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[VALKERIE]: Leave.

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[VALKERIE]: Now.

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[KAMALA KHAN]: Please, we've, we've all come a really long way and, and the fate of the world depends on it.

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[KATY CHEN]: Okay, that was so cool.

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[VALKERIE]: You can walk away, or I can grease my blade with your guts.

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[VALKERIE]: It's all the same to me.

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[KATY CHEN]: I love you.

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[KATY CHEN]: I'm sorry.

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[KHONSHU]: You have no idea who you are speaking to.

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[VALKERIE]: I don't know.

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[VALKERIE]: Looks like an unimpressive gathering of humans to me.

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[VALKERIE]: This is a refuge for gods.

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[VALKERIE]: Not mortals.

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[KHONSHU]: Who said I'm mortal?

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[VALKARIE]: You offend yourself with such claims.

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[VALKARIE]: Leave before I eviscerate you all.

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[DEREK]: Welcome back fellow defenders to TV podcast industries.

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[DEREK]: We're back on a dark stormy and Halloween night.

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[DEREK]: I thought we'd be the explosion filled nice in Dublin city talking about marvel zombies episode three I am one of your host Derek.

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[JOHN]: Hello there fellow defenders.

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[JOHN]: I am your other host John welcome back to our coverage of marvel zombies You may hear a few explosions

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it just sounds like we're coming live from a war zone, but no, it's just fireworks.

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[DEREK]: Yep, they've been going for about an hour and a half and they will probably go for another erin' off of the world.

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[DEREK]: So we're sorry, we'll try to take the noisetas, which is three-can, but we can't wait any more to record.

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[JOHN]: We may also have to just nef out in order to do a trick or treat.

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[DEREK]: Will it be sweeties or will it be sweeties?

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[DEREK]: But we are here to talk about the third and penultimate episode of Marvel Zombies.

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[DEREK]: Good on this, look forward to talking about it.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Before we get into our spoiler-filled discussion, though, please remember fellow Defenders to pop on over to our website at tvpodcastindustries.com, where you can subscribe to any zombie or zombie podcast player of your choice, okay?

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[DEREK]: forward slash TV podcast industry if you can find the sport at post because yeah just this week well the wits your dropped eight episodes that's eight additional four of the posts that just went up yesterday that yeah that the marvels aren't least for the post are quite a bit down but you'll find them if you want to leave any thoughts there we'd love to hear the last couple of

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[JOHN]: It's a good old witcher where we have a regeneration type effect here and a new witcher.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, well a new actor.

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[JOHN]: New actor playing the witcher.

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[JOHN]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: Yes.

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[DEREK]: But he still gives it a good old.

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[JOHN]: Yes, I still think they're using Cavalze sound board.

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[JOHN]: It's a two-signu bill every time they say.

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[JOHN]: I think it's a very similar.

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[DEREK]: Yes, it does, it does.

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[DEREK]: But that's our next podcast series after we finish off.

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[DEREK]: Doing Marvel Zombies and what's we finish off doing the Sanderman as well.

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[DEREK]: We will be on to the Witcher.

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[DEREK]: Yes, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Good stuff.

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[DEREK]: Let's get into our chat at base.

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[DEREK]: Marvel Zombies episode three, John.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, Derek.

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[DEREK]: What are some of the episode details for episode three?

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[DEREK]: Well, exactly what you should for the series are Kevin Faggy, the Redis, because he's so Brad Widerbaum, Dana Vasquez, Everhart, Zevwell's and Brian Andrews Zevwell's is the writer of the Telly play for the series and the story for the series by Zevwell's and Brian Andrews Brian Andrews, the director and the series as we've mentioned in the last couple of episodes.

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[JOHN]: So it's quite a tight directing and writing crew here.

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[DEREK]: Yep, yeah, it's just the thousands and thousands of people doing the artwork for the actual exact, and the hundreds of cast members to the voice work as well, so there's lots of lots of people behind the scenes, but Zab and Brian being the center of the writing and directing duties.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: But John, do you want to tell us what they gave us with your

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[JOHN]: Sure, episode 3, the rotting dead will taste their fear.

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[JOHN]: After the end of what if episode 5, Peter Parker, Scott Lang's head and to Chalor arrive in Wakanda only to see that the country has been conquered by a zombified Thanos.

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[JOHN]: They fight Thanos alongside Thor, Rocket and Grute, but Thanos kills Rocket and Grute, gravely injures Thor, and attempts to snap the Infinity Gauntlet.

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[JOHN]: To challenge sacrifices himself to push Thanos into Wakanda's vibranium core, and destroys the Infinity Stones while Parker and Lang are saved by the remaining sorcerers of

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[JOHN]: In the present, Kamala's group reaches New Asgard, with Kanchu convincing Valkyrie to let them inside the gates.

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[JOHN]: There's Guardians have been feasting on food provided by Wanda herself, who explains that she has regained control and is actually after Kamala's powers to use them to heal the world.

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[JOHN]: The food is revealed to be zombie remains, but in fact, there's Guardians and Alexa,

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[JOHN]: In the fight to escape the Asgardian zombie horde, the zombies kill Zemo, Death Dealer, and Jimmy Wu are thought fights wander to by time for the group to escape in an Asgardian ship into space.

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[JOHN]: Kamala now in orbit activates the transmitter, but the already stationed Nova Corps reveals that Earth has been quarantined.

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[JOHN]: and orders the group to turn back or be incinerated.

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[DEREK]: Oh, all for us at the end of this episode.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Real kind of like, oh, okay.

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[DEREK]: Oh, I thought this was going to save the whole world.

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[DEREK]: They have that moment where everybody's going patting, come out on the back.

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[DEREK]: This is all you press the button, which button do I press?

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[DEREK]: Oh, it has to be used.

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[DEREK]: It doesn't, it wasn't for you.

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[DEREK]: We wouldn't be a bite to save the world.

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[DEREK]: Come out there and then, oh, I guess not.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, exactly.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, love this, love this episode.

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[DEREK]: John, let's get into our top three, but the steps that are major moments that we want to chat about.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, that's got to kick off with the opening of the episode.

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[DEREK]: I kind of a connecting piece back to what if episode five, where we have the arrival of the saviors in that episode, Peter Parker, to Chala and the head of that man.

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[DEREK]: arriving in Wakanda, only to see Thanos is there, as a zombified Thanos.

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[JOHN]: Yes, oh, and also let's not forget the cloak as well.

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[JOHN]: Of course, of course.

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[JOHN]: Although I said, his hair would not be going anywhere.

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[DEREK]: Yes, Dr. Stranger's cloak will tell you to Bruce Banner, I think, to initially and then eventually attach to itself to the body or the head of that man.

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[JOHN]: Yes, well, you also had that cool moment with Peter Parker wearing it as well.

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[JOHN]: That's right.

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[JOHN]: When we thought was going to be Spider-Man sort of just for you when we saw initially back a very cool, very cool.

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[JOHN]: And yeah, no Thanos, in Wakanda, kind of flashback really to the events there where you see effectively to Charlie.

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[JOHN]: sacrificing himself to prevent Thanos from not snapping his fingers what the other side of this is we see Thanos learning.

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[JOHN]: Zombie Thanos learning.

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[JOHN]: Yes we do.

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[JOHN]: Evolving if you will as a zombie so that's why to channel it throughs literally everything of himself into Thanos and ultimately into the vibranium core.

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[JOHN]: That is Beneath Wakanda.

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[JOHN]: I think the other thing here is anyone for roadkill because the old raccoon does get cooked here And I didn't want to say I should I didn't quite funny as it's just as skeleton

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[JOHN]: To Chala gets vibranium coat and of course indeed a great becomes charcoal in the end.

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[DEREK]: It's just the way they do this, you know we've talked about one of the strengths that they always had and what if that they kind of echo things that happened in the main MCU and put them into the stories and here's the same thing happening because it's in the same universe with the

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[DEREK]: with the Marvel zombies.

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[DEREK]: This is the moment where you think, oh, here they've arrived from space.

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[DEREK]: Here come Thor and Grouch and Rocket, they're here to kill Thanos.

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[DEREK]: Just like they did in Avengers Endgame, they arrived, Thor once again.

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[DEREK]: Doesn't take them for the head.

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[DEREK]: And it's off getting absolutely mushed by Thanos and we see the death of Grouch and Rocket.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, exactly.

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[DEREK]: Rocket never really has a good time in the world, does he, um, let's say gets treated crazy badly in all of the universe.

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[JOHN]: I'm well, I guess so, I guess so.

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[JOHN]: That's why I'm in love with him because he takes it on the chin and he's hilarious.

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[JOHN]: He's straight.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: But yes, I mean, I was quite surprised.

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[JOHN]: I mean, I think my shock went to sort of hysterical laughing at just, sort of, I mean, it was.

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[JOHN]: That's true.

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[JOHN]: Exactly.

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[JOHN]: Because he's throwing himself in to protect Wakanda, along with group and

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[JOHN]: and thought and it's only thought that can survive this energy blast coming from the gauntlet from Thanos.

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[DEREK]: Well, absolutely, I was really surprised that we do see Thor later on the episode, but of course, you know, he's a guard, he does, he does, he can survive these things, maybe not that well.

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[DEREK]: But...

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[DEREK]: Again, Echoes of the MCU, this is exactly what happened with me.

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[DEREK]: He didn't date with the head, he missed the shot, and then the toll is taken on him.

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[DEREK]: Afterwards, here in this episode of Marvel zombies, yeah, he's burnt and completely disconnected from the rest of his entire society, effectively, so yeah, it's a great way of calling back to that arc of his story as well, that was almost

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[DEREK]: It's almost like that fixed point in time by the talker version in these types of time travel shows.

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[DEREK]: It's fixed in time.

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[DEREK]: The Thor will go through a really bad experience thinking he's there to save the world and unable to do it.

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[JOHN]: Well, exactly, exactly.

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[JOHN]: And I think as well, the other side of it, he is...

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[JOHN]: with the infinity gauntlets, with the infinity zones going and sort of vaporizing in this vibranium core.

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[JOHN]: You have this hugely sub-energy being expelled out into the world and

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[JOHN]: You have Spider-Man and Ant-Man.

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[JOHN]: You see the little sling-ring portals opening up as the sorcerers of Camotage, then save Spider-Man and Ant-Man.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, and then you learn that Spider-Man's telling this story to the kids until everybody in Camotage about what happened and how they got there and how the new people that are coming along to

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[DEREK]: Kamatage had their fit into this new society that the sorcerers are building there.

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[DEREK]: Just kind of cool.

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[DEREK]: I love this because again the echo back to Marvel's What If episode, it was Peter Parker that was doing the introduction to zombies in this world and had to survive them.

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[DEREK]: So here we have him do the voiceover and the other thing that it adds to it, of course, is as we'd lost charge of touch with Boseman since this first episode or maybe we don't have his voice over.

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[DEREK]: So because of him,

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[DEREK]: not being a range.

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[DEREK]: We have Peter Parker doing the voiceover saying that his final words was a more silent, what kind of the forever knowing that it would be the last time he said that before he sacrifices himself to save the world.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly.

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[DEREK]: I thought it was really touching to do that.

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[DEREK]: Again, Spider-Man here voiced by Hudson Thames, who voices him for the new animated series, that's on Disney Plus, so he is near the Marvel's Animations Spider-Man.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, he plays him wherever they need him to be played specifically, certainly.

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[JOHN]: And also, I think the other thing we learn here in this moment, following the sacrifice, the rescue of Swizman and Antman, is that the queen of the dead is kind of...

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[JOHN]: seems to be watching on, but then she's off to Paris with her army, and so that's an interesting kind of little side note here.

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[DEREK]: It is, and again this is a twist on a multiverse madness where the standoff was actually a camera Taj, where she arrived there, standing over or flying over the land of camera Taj.

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[DEREK]: About to do battle with all the sorcerers there.

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[DEREK]: It's a very similar kind of shot that you see when she's arriving at towards Paris What I do love about this though?

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[DEREK]: I would ding Dr Strange Multiverse Madness for not using lots of these characters.

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[DEREK]: I think they all get a moment here.

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[DEREK]: They do.

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[DEREK]: Yeah Sarah Rintra and the London

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[DEREK]: Leader, they all get moments here.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Again, that's before as well.

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[JOHN]: And that little red dot in the misty sky.

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[JOHN]: There's sort of gray You know, desolate sky is really visually grace as well.

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[JOHN]: Well, she's watching on.

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[JOHN]: You know, yeah I do like that as well.

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[JOHN]: It was really kind of Autistic.

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[JOHN]: Yes, absolutely in that sense.

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[JOHN]: Yeah

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[JOHN]: But interestingly, these sort of different little groups and pockets of civilisation that survived, like at Kamatars, we do have, and I think moving on to our second point, we have Kamal's group, you know, with Blade Knight making land, with their...

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[JOHN]: trip to New Asgard here, and ultimately not necessarily going to be left in, other than the fact that Concude does get them a pass into the celebrations.

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[JOHN]: When you hear a Valkyrie talk, it's basically well, they have New Asgard, they've created these

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[JOHN]: Caverns, there's huge rock walls and gates that no one can get in, just literally so that they can feast, drink and play merry as good old as guardians should.

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[DEREK]: I love this, I must say, I think it's a great touch to have country saying, you know, do you not recognize one of the guards effectively, you know, and I'm as important to your society as I am to every other society.

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[DEREK]: and Valkyrie kind of gone, oh, didn't realize it was you, everything come in there.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, great little banter as well with Jimmy Wu and the rest of the team as they're going in where he's kind of looking around thinking it's like something from Lord of the Rings or from Dungeons & Dragons and they're all trying to choose their characters.

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[DEREK]: They'd play if they were living in this world at the Asgardians and of course, Jimmy Wu goes, well, I'll be the sorcerer, right?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just leaving the magician here.

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[JOHN]: Like I really like this, and also the Valkyrie is quite serious at the start, you know, leave or I will eviscerate you and until conch you kind of basically conzer down really and assert himself as a as a as a god.

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[JOHN]: But also, like the way she says, you know, well, we're hiding from human failure, we thought we could make a new life here and gave humans too much credits and found only death.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, so I do like the fact that there are these moments sort of peppered throughout this series of, like, okay, that's quite sobering.

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[JOHN]: But I do like it.

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[JOHN]: And I do like the fact that, you know,

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[JOHN]: You see all this happening and you're going, is this kind of the way, but ultimately all there's not what it seems at the dinner table as, yeah, I mean, you get this almost like shockingly surprising visit of wander maximum of the, looking perfectly fine, saying, well, I've managed to heal myself.

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[JOHN]: And then the reveal that all the food at the dinner table, which as we say, as we said in the summary, Alexey has been nibbling on and feasting on, are all zombified body parts.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it made to look like actual food.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it's all one of her red magic sort of illusions, her cover-ups.

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[DEREK]: I would have liked a little bit more of this kind of set up for why the Asgardians are here and earth and why they were so, it's almost like they were so famished for the feast that they would be willing to accept some of the comes along and goes, here's a massive feast for you know, it's like,

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[DEREK]: It's like they have been traveling, they got here, they found death, they were starving, and then the Red Queen came in to solve that problem by giving them all of this abundance of food, they take it on board at face value and it turns out she's trying to turn them into her new army basically.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, as she's kind of going by the Queen of Sikovia and so you have Zemo saying well there is no queen of Sikovia and there she is and her subdivision shows up and then it's straight into sort of a massive fight with all these Asgardians zombies that are starting to turn after they have um

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[JOHN]: eaten this spoiled food.

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[JOHN]: I mean, ultimately again, we have, you know, losses on Kamala side with Baron Zemo, Death Dealer all being killed along with the Sorcerer Agent Jimmy Wu.

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[DEREK]: Right now.

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[JOHN]: So, like, again, it's just really, really inescapable.

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[JOHN]: And this

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[JOHN]: kind of dark side to this series and I do wonder how this will end.

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[JOHN]: And I'm almost feeling the Kamala will get killed or something.

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[JOHN]: So it's kind of really interesting and to see this real dark turn and with this this series.

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[JOHN]: You get this really great fight within the

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[JOHN]: catacombs and caverns of new asgard and and ultimately you know they're battling to try and escape on one of the asgardian ships which gets pulled back down by wonders red magic oh yeah loads of things here this reminded me of the battles I feel like something out of windows to dawn where you have this so many overwhelming

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[DEREK]: odds with the zombies here instead of vampires and from Dostodon, the small band that are fighting together and, as you say, death dealer sacrificing himself or trying to save Jimmy and then he gets killed and then Jimmy will sacrifice himself almost in retribution for the death of death dealer.

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[DEREK]: And that moment where they get the way in the ship and while I'm just pulling the back that remind me of Star Wars, I think it's kind of a ren or a ren character that doesn't stop on a ship.

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[DEREK]: But Darth Vader would might be in one of the video games, there's so many things

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it's on that kind of salt planet where you have colour in.

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[DEREK]: Or does it start with definitely?

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[DEREK]: Yes, definitely.

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[DEREK]: That's the colour, right?

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[DEREK]: Not one of them.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, definitely one of them.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: I think also, I think Obi-Wan in Obi-Wan can Obi-Wan can Obi-Wan.

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[JOHN]: In the TV show.

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[JOHN]: And I think Vader does that as well there might be something there.

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[JOHN]: In fact, it might be that one I'm thinking of here.

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[JOHN]: But yes, you have that kind of element here.

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[JOHN]: I do like the fact that you have Thor here.

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[JOHN]: and sort of down it out, slouched on his throne and not sort of with having put on a great deal of weight like say in the MCU, but it's similar kind of thing feeling sorry for himself with what happened in Wakanda.

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[DEREK]: I like that little touch that the zombies aren't going for him straight away.

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[DEREK]: It's almost like he is a zombie to them.

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[DEREK]: And then eventually they start to go towards him.

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[DEREK]: and you think he's going to be completely overwhelmed, you think he's just been ripped apart because he's not willing to fight back against them and then you see as a rival at the end.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, to help out, the escapes on the ship, which makes the Valkyrie, Shang-Chi, KT and Kamala,

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[JOHN]: And I do like that he turns to Kamala and says you're the avenger now little one and which is really cool as he then battles with and the queen of the dead Absolutely, we know him which Kamala Khan has always wanted to be an avenger, so to guess one of the original avengers to kind of pass on the mountain Yeah, great man.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, and but sacrifice there.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I mean we don't see how that ends it's

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[JOHN]: You know, you could argue it's almost a bit like Icarus and Captain Marvel have been here.

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[JOHN]: You have Thor who is a god and then you have a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, powerful witch.

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[JOHN]: And so, but ultimately they escape and they escape into orbit, and I think that probably brings us neatly to our third point of time, which is the Nova Corps.

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[JOHN]: So, yeah, you know, we'd have it where they're starting to use the device here, and ultimately you get those cool ships, and like cool wips, but cool ships of the Nova Corps, all with their big headlights shining on them,

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[DEREK]: I can mention the big moment, which is everybody patting, come on the back.

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[DEREK]: Well, that's saying, you know, congratulations.

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[JOHN]: But I also like start the device transmissing.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, your users are this moment.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: But I also, I also like when she shows the device to Valkyrie Valkyrie.

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[DEREK]: This is a transmitter.

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[DEREK]: I could just plug that into the machine here.

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[DEREK]: And we can broadcast the device.

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[DEREK]: So if they hadn't got that specific type of ship, they may not have been able to use it.

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[DEREK]: And I think that's also the grandmaster ship

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[DEREK]: What's the Hulk vs Thor movie that I always forget the name of Ragnarok?

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[DEREK]: I think it's that ship that they have as well, so a lot of that story must have happened before the Asgardians got to Earth.

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[DEREK]: But yes, they all think that everything's going to work out great and then suddenly the ships turn it on and they go, oh hang on a second, they've got here quite quickly.

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[DEREK]: that can't be possible, and so they are actually forming a grid around the planet because they've decided that they need to quarantine Earth in case any of the zombie space fairing creatures get off the planet's own in fact the rest of the galaxy.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, well, that's it.

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[JOHN]: And ultimately, that order to return back to Earth or be incinerated effectively, uh, cleansed.

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[DEREK]: Which would you prefer to go back to Earth to be eaten by a zombie or stay there and get disintegration?

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[JOHN]: I would say now you've got a spaceship.

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[JOHN]: I think you can move round easier.

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[JOHN]: So I would prefer to survive and at least go down into orbit.

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[JOHN]: Right.

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[JOHN]: I just jump and then part of the world.

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[JOHN]: Go to a camera task.

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[JOHN]: Go and then move on and just keep moving round.

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[DEREK]: That might be the way to do it.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, yeah, that might be the way.

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[JOHN]: I think that's what I would do.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, but ultimately it's a bit of a

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[JOHN]: the Nova Corps are keeping the rest of the galaxy's safe by, as you say, forming a shield around Earth.

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[JOHN]: So yeah, it all feels quite a bleak release for this ending.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah, it does, but a really great third episode, really interesting set up for the end of the series because I was

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[DEREK]: Thinking, you know, you have that moment and you go, oh, well the next the final episode will be the battle between the Novakor or the space creatures Space creatures all the galaxy the galaxy maybe will come down and and everybody will get together to fight against the zombies in the earth putting no Just blocked off

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[JOHN]: Yeah, well, that's it.

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[JOHN]: So it'll be interesting now episode four because in a sense, the flashback, I'm not entirely sure other than maybe thought, what's it added here?

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[JOHN]: I think there's additional stuff to come from that then.

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[JOHN]: I think as well, because we don't come back to sort of Peter Parker and Scott Lang in that camera charge, it'll be interesting to see how that figures then in episode four, right?

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[JOHN]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: That's where it will ultimately land absolutely absolutely and he noticed about the episode John that we haven't talked about yet No, non from me.

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[JOHN]: How about yourself, Derek?

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[DEREK]: I just got the tiny little notes when I really loved seeing Blade Knight do the jump off the stairs in the kind of moon knight shape, and these diving dancers will really cool design and I'd love to see that live action with Moon Knight again.

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[DEREK]: And really when I see that it was cool.

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[DEREK]: Every time I see it, it makes me miss Oscars, I guess Moon Knight, I wish we got the second season of that show and at least at the appearance of the movie by now, it's been way too long since we've seen them.

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[DEREK]: And also, I do want to see Mahershali as well.

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[DEREK]: But my other note, and I just saw this on when I was reading stuff about the episode, something that I would never have picked up, but it's really interesting that

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[DEREK]: Captain Marvel is on the planet fighting against Icarus over and over again in this kind of, you know, that the Calateal of pushing the stone up the hill, they'll never be to each other because both of them are as strong as each other and they're keeping each other at bay because Captain Marvel is

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[DEREK]: is zombified and could easily go late into space and break through that barricade from the Nova Corps and go out into space and affect the entire galaxy.

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[DEREK]: So actually it's Icarus holding her back on the planet, stopping the rest of the galaxy from being consumed by this zombieism effectively.

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[DEREK]: So I think that's just quite interesting that there's that little touch in the background there, even though the Nova Corps.

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[DEREK]: are there to stop this from getting off-planetary if it wasn't for Icarus, it actually probably would be off- Yeah, absolutely, that's a good point, that's a good point.

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[JOHN]: I think as well, the other thing we need to sort of acknowledge here is the transformation of Alexey a bit more because it is quite sad where he turned like they are trying to bring him on board the ship and And it's just he turns and transforms and thankfully Kamala who's helping him

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[JOHN]: is able to, again, put up hardened crystals, but ultimately, yes, he then remains with the rest of the zombie court, having transformed into a zombie.

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[JOHN]: So literally all the widows,

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[DEREK]: gone by and by reader and this episode overall for Alex he was a really depressing episode you started out with him not wanting to come off the ship into as guard because he'd lost his teddy bear you know he'd lost his daughter so let's say he's still grieving right at the start yeah exactly exactly absolutely and i think he he has some respite when he sees the food in the

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[DEREK]: But overall, John, do you defend this episode of Marvel zombies episode three?

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[JOHN]: Yes, I do.

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[JOHN]: I give this four zombie chicken legs out of five for me.

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[JOHN]: It's a really contained story.

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[JOHN]: I like the flashback at the start.

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[JOHN]: I love New Asgard.

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[JOHN]: I like the reveal of Wanda Maximoff being there and sort of pulling the wall over everyone's eyes.

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[JOHN]: bleakness that comes through at the end where, effectively, all hope is, you know, just extinguished by the Nova Corps here and sort of speaking their mission, effectively, which is to prevent anyone from leaving the planet Earth, what a bunch of A-hills.

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[JOHN]: Indeed.

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[DEREK]: That was our introduction to the Nova Corps, wasn't it with the Ubisoft fan of it too?

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Yes, no totally agree with you, but one thing I will say is I love the resolution to the story from what if having that flashback with Wikipedia Park Group and to Charles specifically in Wakanda, you know, at the end of that episode did end seeing zombies Thanos wacing for them.

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[DEREK]: So while we were talking about it as being massively hopeful because they got away with the gemstone from Vision's head and that was what it was going to save the world effectively.

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[DEREK]: We knew the Thanos was waiting for them there.

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[DEREK]: So it does end on a very heroic note for Ticchalla The story of Thanos who was again.

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[DEREK]: He was learning as a zombie.

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[DEREK]: He'd gotten his hands on all five of the gemstones So if Ticchalla hadn't done what he'd done We would have the entire wiping out of half the galaxy.

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[DEREK]: You know, we probably have that even though he's a zombie He's learning so

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[DEREK]: Maybe he just would have turned everybody back into food for zombies, maybe or something like that, but it wasn't gonna end well and at least to Chala took care of that threat of Thanos this time.

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[JOHN]: Well, yeah, for sure.

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[DEREK]: So well, it may be a little hopeless on the zombie side, at least that's just one planet versus the rest of the galaxy losing half of the population from zombie Thanos snap.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, definitely, there you go.

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[DEREK]: Good stuff, good stuff, and I think we need to hear from our fellow defenders and their thoughts on this episode.

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[DEREK]: I think we do, and let's start out with coffee and vodka and his email.

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[JOHN]: Yes, absolutely, and greetings fellow think of feasting defenders.

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[JOHN]: Returns don't get much more diminishing than finding out your only hope is your death now.

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[JOHN]: Despite the situation, load the cameras and the red wedding themed feast, the plots become truly love crafting in tone and hopelessness.

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[JOHN]: Still, the writing has been epic and things don't get much more cliffhangery.

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[JOHN]: Finally, much, despite these going to be a number one on most people's best appearance list, those Wagnerian final act easily took it for me off to the

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[JOHN]: human consumers and sky nets out of five piece and take care coffee and vodka.

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[JOHN]: Yes, this guy net for you guys.

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[DEREK]: Sky net will be the death of us all, whether it's through the terminated franchise or through the Nova Corp, creating a sky net around our planet.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, yeah.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Great stuff, coffee and vodka.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: That kind of love crashing tone and the desperation, the hopelessness, all being kind of

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[JOHN]: being amplified in a sense.

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[JOHN]: Yet the feast was really good.

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[JOHN]: I must say I didn't really think of a red wedding version of that.

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[JOHN]: I kind of see that, yeah, I can see that.

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[DEREK]: Turns out we each other, yeah.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, I mean, those, yeah, final act.

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[JOHN]: I mean, just him slouched in the throne is just really, really such a cool little shot of animation.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Thanks, Gaffier Vacca.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, thanks coffee and vodka, and also, dare I say it, my number one would probably be the cloak.

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[JOHN]: I don't quite know what that says if help me really.

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[DEREK]: Anyway, we just love anything connected to Dr.

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[DEREK]: Strange, and since he isn't in this series.

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[JOHN]: And Jimmy Moon now, I could see him as the source of supreme.

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[JOHN]: Yes, with it.

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[JOHN]: You know, now that he wants to be the source of just two characteristics.

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[DEREK]: Yes, exactly.

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[DEREK]: But not on this universe, unfortunately.

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[DEREK]: Indeed.

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[JOHN]: Thanks coffee and vodka.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely, the over and Facebook first up.

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[DEREK]: We got a message from Heather Wallace who says Thor never learns to go for the head Does he at the very least chop off the arm with the infinity gauntlet Thor?

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[DEREK]: Although zombie Thanos's zombie arm would probably have kept going here I love that the makers honor Chadwick Boseman by not recasting the voice actor and having Peter narrate to challenge last words

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[DEREK]: Oh, yes, exactly that, how do you totally agree with you, I think the right choice had and having him do such a heroic act of sacrificing himself for the entire galaxy effectively.

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[DEREK]: So yeah, it's really good.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, really good.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff.

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[JOHN]: Thanks so much, Heather.

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[JOHN]: Thanks for the feedback.

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[JOHN]: And also, on Facebook, Paul Tienci Lee says, ah, so that's what happened after what if episode five, heartbreaking.

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[JOHN]: Also, madly confusing as to why this part of the story wasn't expanded into its own episode, that it makes sense, given that the production would have been after Chadwick, both when it's passing.

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[JOHN]: And it would have been weird to have an expansion of the story we never hear to Charles Speak.

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[JOHN]: And this was an awesome return, also, wow, is zombie skull at which grim.

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[JOHN]: Also also, I have questions about the definition of zombie, though of course, it's a virus from the quantum realm, but the question remains, if one can cure herself, why is she still a zombie?

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[JOHN]: Excellent, thanks so much Paul, for your thoughts.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, thanks, Paul.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it?

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[DEREK]: You know, as I think I mentioned earlier out in the series, it's taking some cues from traditional zombie stuff, and it's also taking cues from Marvel zombies, and Marvel zombies at the comic books that from Robert Kirkman,

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[DEREK]: zombified versions of our heroes all keep their powers.

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[DEREK]: So I think in this case, she can't actually cure herself.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, I don't think she's cured.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, she can make herself look cured.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, um, she is covering up the fact that she's still a zombie.

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[DEREK]: She's in control of everything around her and she's looking for power effectively.

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[DEREK]: So um, she's telling everybody that she's cured, but it looks like she still has the

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[DEREK]: it's almost like she's driven to madness but is able to project an image of herself that isn't.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely and I think as well, you know, she, I think she was zombie, she was bitten, she's evolved like we get at the start of this episode with Thanos where they explain that.

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[JOHN]: And I think then she, like you've said, Derek around, that they keep their powers so she can still wield magic, she can still do these spells that cast an illusion.

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[JOHN]: We saw it in Multiverse of Madness where her and Dr. Stranger walking through,

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[JOHN]: Apple blossoms yet actually it's a desolate dead world.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, she creates that illusion around us.

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[JOHN]: So I think this is just an illusion of a Healthy non-zombie human and but also at least when she becomes But a her true form is the zombie version of her

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[DEREK]: Yeah, and, and again, zombies in this world are slightly different as zombies that we've seen in other media, you know, Akoya speaks, for example, and we've seen, uh, we've seen Hawkeye Shoes arrows just like he did before he was alive.

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[DEREK]: So, so each of them have slightly different talents, but in this case, I don't think she's curing herself with the virus.

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[DEREK]: She should, because she should have the power to be able to do that.

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[DEREK]: She can warp reality, but, um, yeah, she's not doing it.

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[JOHN]: No, I agree, I agree.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, great stuff, thanks so much Paul, and thanks everybody for your feedback for the episodes.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, thanks Paul.

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[DEREK]: I hope the fireworks went too distracting, and I presume there'll still be ongoing as we for the rest of the weekend to be honest, but hopefully there were two distracting as we were at the episode.

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[DEREK]: It's just nice to be talking about zombies on Halloween, isn't it?

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[JOHN]: That is true.

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[JOHN]: Go, argh.

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[JOHN]: Thanks.

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[DEREK]: Thanks so much for joining us one last episode to go.

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[DEREK]: We hope you'll stay with us for the final episode of Marvel Zombies.

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[JOHN]: Yes, episode four is on its way until then, though, keep watching, keep listening, and of course, keep eating brains.

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[JOHN]: No, stop eating brains.

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[DEREK]: Keep not eating brains.

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[DEREK]: Oh, my brains.

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[DEREK]: It is yummy.

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[DEREK]: Bye.

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[DEREK]: Bye.

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[JOHN]: And let's not four gate.

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[DEREK]: Yes let's not fourgate anything John.

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[JOHN]: It was cause i was going to

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[JOHN]: burp.

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[JOHN]: You get this really great fight within the Catacombs and Caverns of New Asgardian, of New Asgardia, of New Asgard...

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it all feels quite bleak for this ending.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah, it does, but a really great second episode, really like that.

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[JOHN]: Third