For an explosive episode we have Chris back to join Derek and John to discuss Lanterns Episode 5 "Lights Out" in full spoiler filled detail.
Lanterns Episode 5 “Lights Out” Synopsis
Episode Written by: Justin Britt-Gibson
Episode Directed By: Geeta Vasant Patel
Kerry Kane arrived in Rushville in 2007 chased by criminals from Gotham looking to kill her for father's crimes. Faced with an impossible situation, she is saved by Zoe who steps in to snap neck take a pinky and make a deal that some day Kerry will have to stand up and defend Zoe in a similar way.
Back in 2016, John Stewart is unable to get out of his rental car that Hal Jordan crashed into a pole. Zoe finds John but as the car explodes she lets him burn up inside. In hospital, Zoe uses her technology to repair John's burnt skin and makes a similar deal with him, as she did with Kerry, that in return for her help she will need his protection.
Meanwhile Hal meets with Antaan and his group. He tells them William Macon is the Manhunter they are searching for, while he goes after the real Manhunter, Zoe. Antaan's aliens destroy the Macon compound and Antaan faces off with Macon testing him with his alien language and their previous relationship to see if he is actually the Manhunter. Eventually, his resignation of being captured betrays Macon and Antaan removes his heart to confirm he's just a regular human and not his former partner Zoe. He manages to track her down and goes into self destruct mode but Hal uses his lantern ring to contain Antaan's explosive power killing him.
After recovering from his burns, John gets the drop on Hal at his hotel. The two fight until Hal is beaten and broken, but the motel is destroyed by the satellite lasers. Hal protects them both with the ring but John escapes from the rubble only to leave Hal as bait to draw out Zoe and takes her out with a sniper shot to the head.
John takes the crystalline heart of the Manhunter, the lantern and Hal's Green Lantern ring to the Guardian Lianna. She expects him to take over Hal's role but John tells her that it just made him feel empty and leaves them all behind.
Lanterns Episode 5 Cast
- Aaron Pierre as John Stewart
- Kyle Chandler as Hal Jordan
- Kelly MacDonald as Sheriff Kelly
- Garrett Delahunt as William Macon
- Poorna Jagannathan as Zoe
- Paul Ben-Victor as Antaan
- with Laura Linney as Lianna
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00:03 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We're back for the Lanterns Episode 5, a like-site.
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00:18 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna need someone who knows what it's like to be backed into a corner.
00:23 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone who knows how to fight their way out.
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone...
00:29 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to give up a piece of themselves.
00:34 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I count on you?
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01:07 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, fellow guardians, to the fifth episode of Lantern's Lights, Ages on TV podcast, Industries, I am one of your host, Derek.
01:15 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello there, fellow lanterns, and fellow guardians, and fellow quizzes.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your other host, John.
01:22 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_03]: and ran out the trail to bring order and balance to the the motion spectrum.
01:29 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I am Chris.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Chris.
01:31 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Chris has my words for a couple of weeks.
01:33 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feeling much better now.
01:35 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you, Chris.
01:35 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I am.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, yes, I am.
01:37 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_03]: The Sinestro core tried to take me out, but you know, I just when I went, I went with the ride and just came back.
01:46 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_03]: My crystal and heart is is good.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, welcome back.
01:50 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We are delighted to have you back on what episode to come back for.
01:53 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: How have you been joined the series since the last time you're on?
01:56 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
01:57 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Loving it.
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, this is the prompt but episode, right?
01:59 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like we, it's all done and dusted.
02:02 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't have much more to discuss next week or next week is the wrap-up.
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I know absolutely loving this.
02:08 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_03]: This has been my, this is my much most watch TV.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's that kind of like,
02:15 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, we used to all back in the day, sit down on a certain day and you'd watch the Sunday movie with the Sunday TV, that's for me now, Monday nights straight in, as soon as the kick goes to bed and I'm like, right, I'm going to watch lanterns, bye!
02:31 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been so good.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris was joking there.
02:34 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We are under the fifth episode of each episode of this for lanterns Even though this does feel like a massive just in case you're not checking out the listings and you thought next week's the last episode We still got three more to go and what they're going to be filled with well nobody really knows There's been a little bit of matrix for sure I would say they're going to be pretty good I have to be at this.
02:52 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if this is the mid season like
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really, really good stuff.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But I remind you to all of our fellow guardians.
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03:26 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, to mention, we do have our next question in our Rushville redneck pub quit is coming up later on in the episode four questions give us a far four questions to go and at the end of the season email us into that email address feedback and TV podcast industries dot com what your correct answers and you could be into the chance of getting your hands on some
03:46 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You certainly will.
03:48 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Good stuff.
03:49 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Derek, who gave us what were when and how for the fifth episode of lanterns.
03:56 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the show at us for the show, of course, are Chris Mundi, Damon Lindler, and Tom King.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: This episode was written by Justin Britt Gibson, and this is first of two episodes for lanterns.
04:05 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He was also a right round season three of Anthony Starr's show, Banshee, and also an executive story editor on the straining as well, so it comes with quite a lot of experience and kind of sci-fi shows.
04:16 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's quite cool.
04:17 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
04:18 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Good stuff, I'm really interested to see, is he doing literally episode six?
04:22 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this a back-to-backer or is he episode seven?
04:26 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Eight.
04:27 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Is he doing that?
04:28 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Episode seven.
04:29 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
04:30 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so it is a gap.
04:31 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the series has been a bit odd in their order of writers.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So some of the writers do get two episodes.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There are three episodes attributed to them, but they have moved episodes around.
04:39 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We know the John Stuart episode, for example, is originally episode five of the show and that was moved back to episode three.
04:45 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of changed the order for it.
04:47 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: the rest of the episode.
04:49 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think what would have happened would be that flashback episode of John Stuart would have been after this episode, which would quite interesting.
04:56 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine how that would have played out in the series, because that was such a strong episode setting up and knowing who John Stuart is and you wouldn't have known who he is when he makes his decisions in this episode.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's if they'd been done the other way around, right?
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's kind of interesting.
05:09 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that is interesting.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean on
05:15 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Defenders, fellow Gothamites, and so on, have waxed lyrical about Banshee, so would see another solid show there.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
05:27 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The director for this episode is Gees of a Sound Patel, who directed last week's episode Interestingly, just before coming up for the podcast, we were watching Superstore, one of our favorite comedy shows, watching an episode of it.
05:37 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And she also directed that actual episode.
05:39 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: She's watching, which is the the Christmas episode of that show.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
05:43 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I weird.
05:45 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, do you want to tell us what the game is with your synopsis for Latrine's episode 5?
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say, sure.
05:50 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Carrie Kane arrived in Russia in 2007, chased by criminals from Gotham looking to kill her for her father's crimes.
05:58 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Faced with an impossible situation, she is saved by Zery, who steps into snap an egg, take a pinky, and make a deal that someday Carrie will have to stand up and defends
06:10 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Back in 2016, John Stewart is unable to get out of his rental car that Hal Jordan crashed into a pole.
06:17 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So he finds John but as the car explodes, she lets him burn up in the car.
06:22 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: In hospital, Zoe uses her technology to repair John's burnt skin and makes a similar deal with him.
06:29 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: As she did with Carrie, that in return for her help, she will need his protection.
06:33 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, how meets with Anton and his group, he tells them William Maken is the manhunter they are searching for, while he goes after the real manhunter Zoe.
06:45 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Anton's aliens destroy Maken's compound and Anton faces off with Maken testing him with his alien language and their previous relationship to see if he is actually the manhunter.
06:56 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, his resignation of being captured betrays Maken and Anton removes his hearts to confirm he's just a regular human and not his former partner, Zoe.
07:08 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He manages to track it down and goes into self-destruct mode, but how he uses his lantern ring to contain Anton's explosive power, killing him.
07:17 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_02]: After recovering from his burns, John gets the drop on how at his hotel.
07:21 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The two fight until Hal is beaten and broken, but the motel is destroyed by the satellite lasers overhead.
07:28 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Hal protects them both with the ring, but John escapes from the rubble only to leave Hal as bait to draw out Zoe and takes her out with a sniper shot to the head.
07:39 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: John takes the crystalline heart of the manhunter, the lantern, and hell's green lantern ring to the guardian of the Anna.
07:46 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She expects him to take over hell's role, but John tells her it just made him feel empty and leaves them all behind.
07:58 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So as we said, lots of choices made by John here in this episode, and what a explosive exciting action packed episode it was.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you wanted it too much.
08:09 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Or did he want to do it all?
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it just his parents pushing him?
08:14 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
08:17 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I really wanted the parents to turn out to be dead in this episode and that's just him like essentially like imagining it or him having a breakdown or just something because the way they speak to him in this episode is
08:36 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll get into it because it is very much a driving force in the direction decisions made towards the end of the episode.
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is it.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into our major moments from the episode.
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, we're going to talk about our power ring points.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll start off with powering point number one.
08:58 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So our PowerPoint number one is the offer, so this is all about Zoe's offer, saved and exchanged for protection as kind of the subtitle for this one.
09:09 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Love how the episode starts off, I'll probably write back to our first episodes of the podcast.
09:14 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Kerry Kane is escaping from Gotham gangsters, I have mostly leaves and heads off to Rushville in 2007.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think she just breaks down, doesn't she?
09:25 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She breaks down.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, she's not going to rush for exactly.
09:28 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Just so happens, as look would have it.
09:30 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_02]: She breaks down just outside of Rushville.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then...
09:36 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: yes decides right i've had enough pushing it into town i'm going to grab a coffee at the diner and but i do kind of like this whole thing is like really cool because i i like like the the two guys who clearly have been chasing her from Gotham suddenly just sit down next to her and it's like this is how it's going to go you know and then and
10:01 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: you just have the poor guy on the left as you look at them at the screen, having his next snap and then as they're using a bit of her sort of anatomy training to get the other guy.
10:16 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But I like that Zoe uses her smarts here, I am around well.
10:22 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not going to kill you because Carrie needs to, like, you know, what's the deal here?
10:30 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And so again, I just like how this plays out with Carrie, having not necessarily having to but choosing to cut off her own pinky finger.
10:40 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
10:41 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And
10:43 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's probably a good sign for Zoe when she makes the deal because she's got enough, don't say, bravery or character or whatever it is, in order to chop off her finger.
10:56 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I know every reminder me of what are the first return novels.
11:00 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the one that was made into the move of Tom Cruise and where they talk about this.
11:04 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy gives people the choice to either
11:10 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Be Killed and he says the amount of people that don't take off their pinky finger is incredible Why would you not lose one finger to save your life and that's okay.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing here She's she's going well of course up back.
11:20 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only a finger and comparison to being killed Which is the exact same exactly.
11:25 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I do really like though Zoey's kind of really flippant remark at the end was she goes right?
11:32 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's grow you a new one I thought that was a nice little touch and just show this
11:39 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, you know, that was a test as well, you know, because I didn't know that before she took wring her off, and then getting this offer that, you know, well, I will need someone who's willing to fight and give up a piece of themselves to protect me, you know, you've shown me that you can do that.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This,
11:57 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the reciprocity of me protecting you, saving you, you will one day need to do it to me.
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's kind of nice little opener.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to know.
12:12 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: who is after her, you know the gangsters.
12:16 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, just that kind of link to Gotham, it would have been kind of interesting if there was a nice big Easter egg in there, but I didn't really spot on.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's just one of those set up.
12:29 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: points that they can use this whatever way they want to in the future, but I suppose the big thing here for me is that we're in James Gunn and Peter Saffron's universe of shows now, so all the TV shows, all the movies are all connected now for the first time in the DC universe.
12:45 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we had the Arrowverse that was going on, but that was a little bit more complicated, and this is a much bigger universe where
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: characters are mentioned here.
12:56 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Being from Gotham, it's mentioned that Kerry Kain is from Gotham, and her father is murdered because he's a snitch.
13:03 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We know there are famous people with the surname Kain as we talked about in the past, including Bruce Wayne's mom, so there are people that this could be
13:13 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But the next major project in the DC universe is coming out next month and it's life ice which is set in Gotham.
13:19 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So potentially we could have a little bit of a connective tissue between whoever these gangsters are and whoever it goes after play face in his movie.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, looking forward to that as well as yeah.
13:31 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: For me, the most interesting part of Ruby on this is that the change in Carrie and the complete she has gone from what we assume is a the daughter of a criminal or snitch.
13:45 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So therefore, a snitch by association, as she is called, and then she goes on to become the sheriff.
13:54 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: She becomes the law in order within the city.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It is also interesting.
14:00 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It confirms pretty much straight away.
14:02 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_03]: She's always known who's always he is, what's so he is.
14:06 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, that kind of, that it is that confirmation that through weight, that the whole town has been in on it from the beginning as they are brought into the
14:24 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: cement that and you kind of see more of it throughout the the rest of the the episode where there is the I was gonna say war breaks a but that's probably a bit hyperbolic the tang is called two arms yeah yeah and you see pretty much
14:44 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_03]: majority of the time is picking up weapons and things.
14:48 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_03]: To the point where the only one I think we don't see is the little girl who cries later on.
14:54 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't see her with a machine gun.
14:56 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe she did.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she has also been machine gunning.
15:01 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: as well.
15:02 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting point.
15:04 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Something that I noticed when Carrie comes into town, we see that Rushville sign when she comes into town and we see the population written as 1 and 1 in 2007.
15:15 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in 2016, we see the same sign with the same population number written on it, and I thought, well that's it weird, they would keep the population number the same, and then suddenly I went to actually hang on a second.
15:26 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is exactly the same because so we've been keeping everybody alive and the only people allowed in to ten are the people that Zoe allows into the ten and makes this deal with.
15:36 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you don't know me that was that realization that this is an offer that she gives to everybody here and as the episode went on and people start to arm up.
15:46 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You realize that basically every single person from the people that work in the cafe, to the people that work in the court rooms, to the people that work in the police station, all of them are in on us and all of them have been told they will put out a call one day and all of you have to...
16:03 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: come back on the offer that I've given you basically.
16:05 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a really interesting moment.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved to have seen the bit more of it.
16:09 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously very difficult to do, but I would have loved to have seen a bit more of that, more people reacting to the call.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a very quick moment.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:18 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But it...
16:19 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what you're saying, and I think, yeah, a lot of people were part of the packs, but like there were women and children that clearly weren't arming off, clearly the children.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
16:31 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But, but a family's arrived and made deal with the, with the,
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: one of the parents and the family and the rest of the family get to live at the time, you know what I mean?
16:40 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But also, I think they were because of the hospital, yeah, but I just thought it was an interesting moment and it might be just the timing of it.
16:48 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I've got it wrong in the episode, but just hell's interaction with the other policemen, share a step-y see.
16:56 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And because the kill-words has gone out on him, you think, at that stage, yeah, he doesn't go after him.
17:03 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So that I thought was quite interesting.
17:06 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just because he's a policeman and maybe the was that realizing that actually he could help here.
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it could just be all of that.
17:14 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But it felt this even though they're probably all in on this pact.
17:21 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: didn't actually all play out a bit like with John Stewart's, how Zoe would have intended, I think, wrote there were more fervent people, I, the maikons and their family, you know, I think, and I think it's then he's kind of like, you know, modern thiefdom because he was the man in power, the other people have come along.
17:47 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think they've necessarily all being subject to Zoe.
17:52 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was just because when we see the cafe later on in the episode, there's people throwing guns out from behind the camera.
18:00 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a big stand-off that happens in the cafe that's been orchestrated, I guess.
18:05 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And even at the beginning, when Kerry's attackers take an ice, they have that moment where she's aware of what we do at the body and she's like, well,
18:15 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: tell them we need a table for one, actually, to the more, so, you know, so it just feels like, yeah, you're probably right, not everybody's in on it.
18:21 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely families who aren't in on it.
18:23 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely, there's a great moment where you see as everybody's running after the killer or do you see a kid dragging off his mom's arm as he doesn't want to go the way she wants him to go.
18:32 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not in on us, but everybody knows when the killer or it goes eggs.
18:37 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: there's something going to happen in the town, not everybody's saved because though he is blowing up the town to draw a halation, doesn't really care about the people that are being killed it seems, but yeah, everybody seems to know what this means when the call goes on.
18:51 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, I think like with Kerry, you know, as Chris said, that's the before and after element, I think it's quite interesting in that too.
19:02 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: that moment in the diner, she's absolutely desperate to be saved.
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she takes the offer.
19:10 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think there is that great moment where Hal just like parks down in front of her while she's in the car and she's just firing at him.
19:18 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It says, I have to fire at you because she can see me.
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: She can't hear us.
19:22 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:22 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But
19:23 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to be seen to be going after you, because I promised I would protect her, you know, but she goes, it's more than that.
19:33 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I owe her.
19:33 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
19:35 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is where I think, yes, you to say it's, I owe her my life because she saved her from being killed and buried in a grave
19:55 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: her husband that clearly you know because she came into the making family so she's definitely much more of a as Chris said like this notion she knew about Zoe but maybe she knew way more you know that's really loving on yeah yeah yeah the thing about Noah as well technically wouldn't he be population one zero zero two
20:21 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe back to one I was laughing I was like wait.
20:24 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they should be a second would Maybe kids don't age or maybe like somebody I should yeah No, but again, I was not I was being exactly literal, but it just made me think when I saw the number being the same for that many years Just maybe think hang on as I can maybe the reason is because she decides who lives there and who doesn't so Yeah, well, I think it is tightly yeah, it has to be yeah, like yeah You know
20:50 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_03]: where I think in the hopefully in the next couple of episodes we're going to learn what it actually meant like to for the the packed if we were good that that's kind of call to arms what was the cost because if in theory as per what we see at the end of this episode that
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_03]: the hospital will start to fill up again.
21:17 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like people will get sick again in this time.
21:21 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how people get sick, Chris.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people have gotten shot at this.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a lot of people are dying.
21:27 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, literally they need a hospital and we're working with them to take care of them.
21:31 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They've been attacked by stars.
21:33 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, literally lasers from the satellite lasers.
21:37 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: from the, um, from the orbit.
21:41 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
21:42 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the part of this, you know, one of the part of the offer really is what happens to John, um, you know, uh, how leaves him in the car that he crashed into the pole.
21:51 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think he's trying to hopefully draw Zoe out so he can catch Zoe basically.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's leaving John.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: in the car, he's also really pissed off at him.
22:00 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But so he does arrive and let's jump, burn up in the car, watch some while he burns so that she can fix him and make this offer to him, which is really, really brutal as well of her to do.
22:12 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But they have such an interesting conversation in the hospital when she's making the offer to him about why she chose to be in the skin that she was in because
22:23 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I lied her to develop to be a much stronger position in this ten as well, which I thought was an interesting conversation to have between the two of them.
22:33 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I also liked that John saying to her, if you make me white, the deal is off.
22:38 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If you make me darker, darker in skin, the deal is off because my brothers would be after me the whole time when they see me.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So what an interesting way to have that discussion between the two of them.
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I liked that.
22:51 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought how, you know, to bring that up, I thought that was really really good.
22:57 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even you kind of have that from ATHAN when he's speaking with William about, you know, this is unusual that you would take this kind of position, normally, you know, but as you say, it's just feeding in because she didn't because it wasn't, you know, she takes positions
23:19 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_02]: in a sense that underbelly and go through that adversity, as she says, to understand the civilization that that understanding is forged in that crucible, that higher purpose from fear and injustice.
23:36 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I thought that was really interesting way and that.
23:40 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the whole conversation, I mean, even just, you know, initially in the hospital I just like I like their relationship and I mean she said that herself she like you seem to understand me, you know,
24:06 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: you couldn't trust that he wouldn't at some point turn on you and to live you back to the guardians so you had to make sure by killing him.
24:17 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I think Zoe seems to believe that that's John empathizing with her or sympathizing with her when really it's John working out what she did more than anything else.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have any sympathy for what she did but realises
24:32 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like collecting evidence.
24:34 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I got some sort of brawl shirt to earth to protect her and she went, well, he knows I'm here.
24:39 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If I don't kill Abansour, then somebody could find me in the future.
24:42 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was a friendly gesture from Abansour, what she murdered him.
24:49 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and maybe that whole aspect happens so maybe it will go a little bit more into Galactic with that, you know, in terms of why he brought her?
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
25:02 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really hoping to see that because it's all a bit of speculation for the base, you know, a couple of mentions of the character a few times, but we haven't really seen Hal's Backstory, we haven't seen how he got the ring, we haven't seen anything at all, that happens to where we haven't even seen him on screen, so I'm hoping that we'll
25:18 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: we'll see some more flashbacks in the next couple of episodes.
25:22 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:23 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I am just so interested to understand
25:29 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_03]: is Zoe as genuine.
25:33 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_03]: If I can say that because we learned so much across about the mountain under the last few episodes and in particular based on the offer that she makes and then what those information that is kind of pulled by the evidence as you rightly
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Just infiltrating.
25:59 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Was this all just a ruse so that they can build power, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Or was this a genuine P.O.W.
26:10 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_03]: like is this a prisoner of war who just was like wanted to live on earth by themselves?
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Just safe.
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So they made people the offer because they unwanted to be
26:23 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_03]: better than what their programming was, et cetera.
26:26 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is this a genuine thing, or was this just actually, and we'll probably go get into it now, was she a man underfunded?
26:38 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Was she the sum of her programming and just a force for evil and destruction?
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:45 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, certainly you have a bit of sympathy for her actually, and you know why, but then, you know, having said, look to sort of hider away, save her, take her off the board around, you know, the killing and the destruction of all the other manhunter's, and yet you have that really interesting conversation that Athan says, where what was the last thing I said here, and Williams says,
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: your amongst it.
27:13 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And so clearly Zoe has done bad stuff.
27:18 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:18 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And would you say, you say that, but it's it's it's about the unreliable narrators.
27:23 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
27:23 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We're hearing loads about what happened with the man hunters.
27:27 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And specifically we're hearing a lot of that from Anton.
27:31 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're hearing some of it from Hal, but not really that much, because he didn't know what
27:42 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: really we can only go about what Zoe said in this episode here and what John interrogated Agia for her basically.
27:47 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems she's certainly ruthless about keeping herself safe on earth, willing sacrifice anybody because she sets fire to half of the tan and the people that he knows are living there to keep herself safe.
28:01 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's certainly willing to do anything to keep herself safe.
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah.
28:07 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but as far as some of the other details go, not too sure, yes.
28:11 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get a bit more of it in the rest of the season.
28:14 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But with that, that's kind of the end of the off-road part of the episode.
28:16 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We've spoken a little bit about our parrying point number two already, but let's get into it in more detail.
28:28 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Because our pairing point number two is the price of the offer, which really leads to the attack on Rushville and everything that's going on there.
28:37 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, as I mentioned, the battle that ensues when the coal goes out that everybody seems to be expecting, or most people seem to be expecting, it kills lots and lots of people that have been living a nice normal life up until this point, you know.
28:51 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like Maken's people, the militia that he had around him were in training for this very moment.
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we kind of been hearing throughout the season.
28:59 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So far, they were in training in case there was any kind of alien attack coming.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But not everybody in ten seems super prepared for this.
29:06 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: As you say, John, there were women in children that are running round with explosions going all around them, screaming at the loss of life.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The people who are left,
29:13 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: with a parent after the fighting and battling that are going on that don't seem to have been prepared for it at all, but this was the price of living in Russiaville.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it seems.
29:24 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_03]: long-term listeners will know that every now and again I find certain images that are not supposed to be funny hilarious, but that the the image of the severed leg and the little girl and the dad and I was just that some of the brutality some of it was so well choreographed and so well
29:49 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And then there was just one or two shots that just looked almost...
29:56 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be rude and say B-movie-esque in that just...
30:00 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It just looked so over the top kind of like, my war is here and it's come and like all the blood and destruction and I was like, Oh no, no, we get it.
30:14 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we like, you've shown.
30:17 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_03]: what that that this is causing a great strife in the city.
30:24 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But uh, come on, let's move to the next part because it's just the missing legs and then the guy, and I can actually tell you exactly the moment where it was, I think I know.
30:36 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'm hoping it was the same.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, for me, it was when Hal,
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_03]: does notices before he goes into the diner.
30:47 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He sees one of the the times people shot and lion dead, looks at the hole in his head, turns around and tries to kind of almost like, so where are they shot from?
31:00 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it look?
31:00 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it up there?
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Was he a sniper?
31:03 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And is it like, no, no, we get it.
31:05 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like,
31:07 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, you're not the greatest detective.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not Batman.
31:13 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, I was expecting at one point almost him to pull the ring and just to do a little pointer with the basically conjures a pointer and it goes up over there.
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It just seemed a bit on the nose.
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's true.
31:32 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, no mine was the the final one were John hands the watch too.
31:38 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that's that.
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you could have just walked past.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't mind the
31:46 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: sort of the visual effects of the the leg and all that, but I think he just walked past them and look.
31:52 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know where they needed the the wife and the daughter of the, and although I think I think that's to say that there is there is a cause here.
32:00 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the people that are running during the streets with with arms as part of the militia that's also families here that are falling back.
32:06 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's that's what they were at the motels.
32:10 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: They just thought they were
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They were on halls.
32:14 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: No, maybe.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They would just wanted to go to this dust bowl with her holidays.
32:18 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe to catch a football game, and there was a shooting out of a couple of days ago.
32:21 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the worst holiday ever, they probably should have left.
32:25 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering just because he picks up the watch off the grandest, like a Disney watch or something that he picks up off the grand and gives the little girl, and because we had the moment when he was picked by the guardians, and he created a watch from scratch, and it was his father's watch.
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought there must have been some massive meaning to the faculty picks up this watch off
32:43 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's probably just everything because I'm going to be podcasting about the episode But part of this scene is how going into the to the designer and meeting up with Antan and the aliens Where he set up that meeting last episode before crash in the current the polls So he goes into Antan and they have an interesting conversation about the manhunters One of the things he learns here about the manhunters that they find the alpha
33:08 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: in the in the local area and attach themselves to the alpha.
33:11 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So making had been the previous alpha in Rushville and now it seems like John Stewart is the new alpha.
33:16 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that kind of pisses off how when he hears that, doesn't it?
33:21 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's you know he's the question comes
33:25 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it wouldn't have thought that making would have been able to attract the alpha that is John Stewart because one of the best weapons they have is sex, that's what they use to attract people.
33:35 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't think John Stewart would go for it, and then how goes, well, I would, if you know, if you have sex with so many aliens in space, you're kind of, it's not so much of a preference it's a bet opportunity, so I was approached by making this one.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to say, you know,
33:52 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But that does seem to me because, well, it goes for the Alfa and Hal's basically being told he's no longer the Alfa, even though he's the green lantern for Earth.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I mean, so that was really funny.
34:03 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you notice that I liked all this stuff with Anton, actually, here in the dyno and at the
34:18 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: the brutality of what he has to do to William make him do to confirm his view that actually despite the attempt to pull the rug over him, he has realized
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're not Zoe.
34:37 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not the person who I used to try for a family even.
34:41 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:43 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, so there were relationships together.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:45 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But that whole knife in the heart just felt like it was almost
34:53 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a few seconds slightly longer than I was thinking it was going to be and slightly sort of lingered on and I was like Okay, you can stop.
35:02 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You can stop now.
35:04 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop.
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop.
35:05 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not pimple pushes a pimple pop Dr. pimple pop or whatever it is that's crazy ass Show that you're flicking through the things and if you just leave it and then all of a sudden there's
35:18 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
35:19 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Open heart surgery and pimple popping going on on the screen and it just felt like Ling just too much, but it was really effective I thought.
35:27 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a really conveying the brutality of this and I think even with Anton in in the dyno, you know, it there was the classic an enemy of my enemy is my friend as he's
35:40 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: listening to how spinning him a story, you know, I don't trust the guardians, but I will work with you in certainly I think when the kill order comes through, that seals it for him, but the whole thing then as well around that the sexuality piece was just really, really nicely done and again I think just a bit like with
36:00 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It just felt something different for approaching it, you know, as Hal said, when you've explored the galaxy as much as I have, like he said, less about preference, more about opportunity, it's broadening your horizons effectively.
36:16 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And just in the same way as with Zoe and John,
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Stures around the colour of his skin in the hospital.
36:25 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought this was really good.
36:27 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought him confronting William making and even just I loved the use of his army.
36:36 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So I really also want to know about these aliens You know, because at the moment all we've got are their names.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've had there's no real
36:46 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_02]: understanding at least from my part as to what alien species these may be.
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's the thing.
36:52 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He told John Stewart that the reason why he's after the manhunter is because they destroyed his race, killed all of his people.
37:00 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we find out here when he's talking to what he's making, that he used to be that Zoe used to be his partner.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to have kids together.
37:07 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They were in a couple and didn't say married, but they were a couple in the past.
37:13 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: as well, you know, is that why they're able to just set themselves up to explode like robots, because they're the same species as Zoe, you know?
37:20 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, it's not great if, if you've had your race wiped out to stop blowing yourselves up, but alas.
37:30 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, but that's what they're doing.
37:31 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what their ability is to blow up and they are literally sacrificing themselves.
37:35 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
37:35 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Left, right, and center, you have one guy that blows up at the gate and destroys the gate.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the melted gate in 2026.
37:41 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We see another guy running into the weenie that we saw last week.
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:46 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He runs into that and blows up all of the weapons.
37:48 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's loading himself.
37:49 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's just this odd moment with Anton where he says to William make it on a knock and blow myself up and sacrifice myself and you not knowing whether you are definitely the man hunter or not, he stabs him, takes the heart out, find out he's not.
38:02 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we see him going after Zoe and he sets himself to explode before going into confirmed Zoe's there.
38:09 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And then
38:10 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Howl stops him and blows him up and I'm just going hang on a second.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You literally just said in a line of dialogue Two seconds beforehand.
38:17 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna blow myself up unless I confirm Zoe's definitely gonna die Are the managers definitely gonna die and I went why did he start his his time or clock before he saw Zoe?
38:27 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like a weird moment
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: that moment was weird.
38:30 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the warstower full of that sort of black smoke fantastic, really cool, and really like that idea, and I love that whole scene with action, but it's a nice amount of choice there.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the...
38:44 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Death of Anton needed to be a little bit more personal with Zoe that maybe she killed him, but he set off and how does his thing like he did, because I thought that was quite cool, but yeah, it made no sense given what he was saying previously and that he needed to make sure
39:06 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_02]: the person he's after was the manhunter because he wasn't clearly blowing himself up to get back at hell for having lied to him but not in the land.
39:15 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason why he would blow himself up because he still has to throw the man under you.
39:20 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Because then the only other thing is proximacies like well hell's here so that's where the manhunter must be but in which case and
39:28 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_02]: just still you would want to confirm it because he's not there with any of his other and associated with the whole plan themselves up.
39:37 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But I did like how they attacked I love that kind of chemicals in this of what they were doing.
39:44 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Just the guy nodding in the back of the vehicle doing a barrel roll out and then running towards the weenie.
39:51 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That was so cool.
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of quite like I'd like just the whole that look.
39:58 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I have theories in that they all of the suicide bombers we've seen are males and the whole attack team of the aliens are males.
40:07 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if Zoe's Zoe and this alien there somewhere when Zoe destroyed a committed genocide on this planet she killed all the females.
40:20 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_03]: So therefore that is why they're like we're just here for vengeance because there's no way we can recreate or repopulate our thing especially because they bring up kids and he brings up kids.
40:36 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I was with like you I was unhappy with the demise of Anton because it was just so
40:45 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_03]: quick.
40:47 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think so hopefully I am hoping that we get something more, there is more to this.
40:54 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Just more so even if it's just like the history of Zoe from that planet perspective, like you talked to me earlier, we like maybe we get up and so or and kind of that drop off point.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So this would have just been after
41:10 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_03]: um she was brought in for that genocide and now is being hidden by an abinsour so hopefully we do get that almost kind of flashback also a pure purple guy abinsour yet can be great the
41:29 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I really, I was hoping for more of this character on Anton and those people, just because it has been slightly essentially that me trying to,
41:45 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_03]: piece together the puzzle pieces where as I think the average viewer and you said like the average viewer is not going to podcast about the show.
41:56 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So the average viewer is not taking as much in death notes and looking at everything.
42:01 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think for very much they have just been acting as a
42:06 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_03]: a catalyst for a lot of the action and the kind of to get us to the certain points.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't know.
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing.
42:16 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_03]: As we always talk about, like until we've seen the final product, I don't want to make any because
42:29 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Tonking, some fantastic literary fiction and beyond.
42:36 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great comic book writers, brilliant, brilliant comics.
42:40 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But the show winner here at Chris Monday is, you know, he's known from True Detective, you know, which was all a base.
42:46 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: setting you all from one direction thinking about maybe we've finished the story of the character than the next Rechanging is to get even more information and more backstory about the characters and that's pretty much how these five episodes have gone We've learned more and more about the characters and I don't think we're at the end here You made a joke at the beginning Chris that this felt like the ending of the season the next week's the wrap up You know we've got three more episodes together three more hours of TV to go
43:10 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's not going to be linear suddenly from next week and suddenly we're in 2026 and then we have John Stuart getting his ring and off he goes or whatever happens after 2026 we will get more detail behind I think all of these characters here.
43:25 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I wasn't expecting the 2007 jump back to the ice to carry King.
43:32 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wasn't expecting to have that kind of little 10 minutes at the start.
43:38 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And now it had its purpose, absolutely fantastic.
43:43 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a really nice way of them to sort of pepper this in while still so moving forward, I think, if they do something like that.
43:54 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I bring up one fun little tidbit theory?
43:58 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I've kind of been noodling on.
44:03 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_03]: What if all the children are man hunters?
44:08 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That is why the population number hasn't changed.
44:11 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
44:12 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: In the years because they're actually not.
44:15 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_03]: the people are not getting any older, but they're not being it.
44:19 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_03]: They're not able to procreate and that is why Noah and some of like it is very much children of the Kornesk in that's like they are now the offspring and that is why you have all these why it's going to continue because it is they the population say the same, the everyone say the
44:45 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Man hunters and that's why we get a very interesting conversation with no-one Zoe where we see that um she essentially goes remember What we talked about spy what I've been seeing remember everything I taught you and then make on junior is Basically kind of told to stay and protect Noah
45:05 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like those seem like reasonably normal things apart from the spy with that being seen, but that could be kind of a playful thing that a grandparents test their grants on all of these things could be.
45:16 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a very simple thing, but that's very specific on William Megan Jr., when he wants to join everybody else.
45:22 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, again, everybody in Tanya has gotten this message saying killer and he's told specifically the most important job you have right now
45:31 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it feels like no is a very important character to Zoe.
45:38 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the something in that there is.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
45:42 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the fact that John Stuart asks about him in 2026, it's the first thing he asks about when he meets a carry which again, it may be the first thing you would ask somebody that you know about their child.
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it can be just a normal piece of dialogue.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I was like some more.
45:58 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do.
45:59 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: this carry cane has something there as well with the whole standoff with how was just as I owe her and and what that means what that potentially could be.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But certainly I think yeah, so um
46:14 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But certainly, yes, I think Noah here may be the kind of McGuffin that's kind of took away, you know, played by Storm that I was saying, we've seen like three times in the last and 12 moments with weapons with and Spider-in-law, and now this, and, and so, you know, that's a big statement for a character that's hardly been on screen again.
46:40 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: absence of all that in the case that possibly a bigger role than what their screen time would suggest.
46:48 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly moving into possibly these next three episodes.
46:54 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
46:56 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Last couple of things on the attack on Rushville I just want to mention really good to see how doing some super heroine.
47:03 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And here while he is hunting Dan Zoey he's using his his clone or
47:09 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Doppelganger, whatever you call the sound of himself, the hologram, that was the one we forgot, we forgot to write dead.
47:16 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so he's using him to find Zoe while he's helping people in town, that was quite cool to see, because we just haven't seen how do some superhearing before, but he is helping out people in the town as well.
47:28 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's interesting, in order to keep with him being taking his ring with him, he takes a chip off the ring and leaves that on the water tower so that the hologram can stay.
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_03]: at the water tower.
47:44 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
47:45 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's attached to the ring.
47:47 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_03]: That's very, that's very smart.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a very smart little.
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's only when you think about it in the air.
47:52 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there you go.
47:54 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, just one of these very much, kind of like, here's something that you just don't even think about, put when you're podcasting in like, oh, yeah.
48:03 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
48:04 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool.
48:05 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really cool.
48:06 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I also liked the fact that the hologram goes,
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what's John?
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a nice guy.
48:12 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I have, you know, I met him the other day.
48:15 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally different characters.
48:17 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually, again, great performance from Kyle Chadler there.
48:20 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: These two Jill Rose, showing how different he is.
48:22 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I pretty much know we're going to get some kind of flashback to that younger Kyle Chandler as the younger version of how, you know, I just expect that we're going to see that because he's got a whole character there.
48:33 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Why has he, why is he so different
48:39 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the last thing I wanted to say just about the price, I think this explains what that ten meeting was at base, where every single person in the ten was in the ten hole.
48:47 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we know there was a shooting going on, but nobody even went into open up the coffee shop.
48:52 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a ghost ten.
48:53 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was in the meeting.
48:54 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: How walked into the room went, were you all talking about me?
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they probably weren't particularly talking about him.
49:00 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They were probably talking about the potential attack on the ten and the price that they would all have to pay for what's always
49:09 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like that that's something else that's played out now by the end of Episode 5.
49:13 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:14 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, very much so.
49:17 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get on to our final parering point, a parering point number three.
49:25 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: the final movement in the episode really is John Stewart and the choice at the end of the episode.
49:33 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We see that he takes the offer from Zoe sort of to help himself, to be cured, to be fixed.
49:41 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But he certainly not willing to be manipulated by Zoe into being one of her defenders.
49:45 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still going to go ahead with his plan.
49:49 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I want an interesting way to do what he's going to use how as bait to get Zoey in Asia for a hiding place and take away.
49:58 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's the same plan.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_03]: How had?
50:00 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:00 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was just exactly the same plan.
50:04 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do like the fact that he's garnered that from her offer.
50:09 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Because she says how will be how Jordan will be dead by the end of the day, you will have the ring and The alien as an will also be killed.
50:19 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so you will have what you want what you you don't need here Primarily the ring so he like she's laid out all before him because of course the protection needs For her is more acute because it's happening
50:37 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kind of like that.
50:39 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the discussion and the the the testimony that she killed ab and so are Is another part that makes the choice up for John in that he knows well he's going to be another green London like the deal that she sets out is like
50:54 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Like he said, John, it's kind of, get rid of how you become the Green Lantern, the Atanna's gone, the aliens are gone, and I get to kind of go back to my life, but she's not going to let that do because she killed the last Green Lantern, who knew where she was, so she's going to kill John.
51:13 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_03]: as well.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
51:14 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_03]: John Stewart, not our podcast host, John, because that's helped me.
51:19 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's too heavy.
51:19 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Just too strange.
51:20 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be like a matter.
51:21 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
51:22 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting that the last words that Hal says to John after he leaves after John leaves him battered and broken and he takes the ring off and Hal says to them, they replaced me.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to replace you too.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right, Chris.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's suspicious of Zoe because
51:39 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we killed the Green Lantern and kind of set him off on course to kill another Green Lantern and she'll probably have him killed too, but not only that, also on the other side, the people that offered him house position have replaced him without telling how.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he says as well that he's suspicious of the Guardian.
51:56 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
51:56 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the hospital conversation, because
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_02]: In the end, they weren't going to do the replacement.
52:04 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They were asking me to do it.
52:05 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was almost, it wasn't an ordained thing.
52:09 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It needed to be on the hand and he thought that they would tell how and then would pass him the ring.
52:16 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
52:16 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And instead, it's like, yeah, I'm just going to take it.
52:19 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what's really interesting.
52:22 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He, because you have the moment as well with
52:24 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_02]: him on the phone to his mom and dad, which I really liked the pattern of that where he's like smashing the window.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, hold on a minute.
52:33 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_02]: He's pulling his pockets.
52:35 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You hear side snippets from the dads and the moments like, well, if you take in the ring, yes, and he's like, no, I'm going to there.
52:41 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take it as he's getting the sniper rifle and all this is done.
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know,
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets this ring.
52:50 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be the pinnacle of everything.
52:53 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But with everything, these hat to do for it, everything they seem what it means around with Zoe, Abinsaur, all of this.
53:03 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of, it's that taste of dust a bit in the mouth.
53:10 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this comes out really kind of nicely from, I think, John Stewart here, and the performance that is coming from Aaron Pierre here.
53:20 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So I really, really enjoyed that.
53:23 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That was easy.
53:24 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And as he hands back that ring as well as the lantern, along with their crystalline heart that he's, again, taken from.
53:33 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was a knother where it was like, oh, no, they're not doing another one.
53:38 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, obviously, right in front of the kid as well.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what passed.
53:41 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that, that was the slight dissociation of it all.
53:44 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just the notion of ego kid.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_02]: His, his, your unbroken watch.
53:48 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It just got a little dusty.
53:50 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, flick knife goes on and he's doing open heart surgery on, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
54:18 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so shocked in this episode that Leanna is still a guardian and not a manhunter because it just feels like that would be the solve to a lot of the problems here that Zoe was impersonating Leanna and she had set this whole thing up to get John Stuart to tend to stop how and you know here we are at the end of an episode where how is lost the ring?
54:43 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: John Stuart has it and hell's pretty broken and battered.
54:45 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: John Stuart has a John goes, I don't know why he wanted this.
54:49 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably doesn't know why he wanted it anymore.
54:51 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I want this.
54:53 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it would make me feel pride, gratitude, power.
54:56 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It just made me feel empty.
54:58 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want this, I'm walks out.
55:00 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So everything he's been working at from when he was five years old and we saw all the flashbacks throughout his life earlier on when he was being healed, everything he's worked towards to make himself the perfect candidate to be the next Green Lantern and he's walking away from all of that including his parents by going, I don't want to, because it doesn't mean what I had been told it meant basically.
55:24 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, yeah, as you get in the ring of hell and stuff, and again, the thing with his moment dad on the phone, really good.
55:31 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the other, you know, that punch out and fights in really brutal.
55:35 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It just enveloped like the years of frustration.
55:41 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It was very, very good.
55:43 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:43 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Equally, I liked how how
55:47 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like some of the comments here.
55:49 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a really good one where like John Stuart saying, I deserve the ring and how actually it says, I don't, but the ring chose me to get off me.
55:59 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do like that there is that at least in the motel before he hands it back.
56:03 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_02]: There is that kind of it feels like a really meaningful struggle as much from how to retain it.
56:09 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that moment where he kind of curls his hand into a fist so that
56:16 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_02]: John Stuart has to struggle to take the thing off, even though he's buried under all the rubble, and just though it was a real nice touch is coming through here, and, yeah, ultimately, you know, he's just the feeling,
56:35 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess betrayed by Zoe, betrayed by Leanna, betrayed by Hal, possibly betrayed by his parents, all of them.
56:44 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:44 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Leanna.
56:45 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I met the Guardians.
56:49 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So this was all nice.
56:50 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like the other bits of him handing the heart to Leanna.
56:56 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_02]: saying when she goes in his bag saying what's in here and he's like it's your sins and consequences.
57:02 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Really nice line that.
57:05 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And again I think it comes back to this point of the sins and consequences because you know why did happens to also choose to save?
57:14 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So what's so special about this manhunter?
57:18 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Again maybe it's going to do with Noah maybe yeah she's a manhunter
57:26 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is the only man hungry that can do something?
57:28 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever that might be.
57:30 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, all this like played out really, really nicely with this moment of, you know, puts it out of my cold dead hands type almost approach with how to get the ring, the willpower of hell.
57:44 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
57:44 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And but also then that, as you say, the the handing back as nice, I thought.
57:51 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_02]: unexpected, like for me.
57:54 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
57:54 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is the best word I can use.
57:58 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_03]: This choice is so unexpected.
58:01 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Like again, correct me wrong.
58:04 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_03]: The Anna didn't know that there were a man hunters.
58:07 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a man hunter there.
58:10 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:11 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_03]: She essentially just thought she
58:20 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, up until this very day, she doesn't know there's a man hunter there, but John Colter, John Colter's parents to say connect me through to the satellite to Leanna immediately.
58:31 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing she says to him was you should have called me earlier, basically.
58:34 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so she's pissed off that he didn't say to her that there was a man hunter in ten.
58:40 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She may have handled things differently is the the implication there if she'd known there was a man Home to there.
58:45 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this wasn't the right time to switch over green laptops Maybe she might have helped how a bit more if she'd known there was a man home to here But they were both keeping that information from the guardians So it's just the this choice everything about this ending is unexpected so much of it is just Okay, where are you taking this how how
59:06 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I joked this felt like a penultimate episode on the wrap-ups the next one.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's how you would do.
59:12 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_03]: That's how previously other shows have done it, so very much that we know.
59:17 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_03]: how the show theoretically ends in 2026, I'm like, and maybe it doesn't end.
59:24 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this is next like 2025 is next year or next that week and then the 2026 is we got two two full hours in 2026 and that's the result for the beyond.
59:38 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm just so interested to see
59:44 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_03]: how you follow this up?
59:46 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_03]: How you like you have basically built John Stuart up as this perfect perfect, perfect soldier, perfect replacement for how Jordan and then he went to Guru Conscience and felt empty and now he's not.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So what where does this go?
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's what the series has been telling us.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what his parents have told John and the Guardians chose John's jurist to replace how.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But the ring chooses the Green Lantern, which was how it's pointed that argument.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of John being set up,
01:00:23 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: in the right way possible to replace Hal Jordan, unless he takes the ring off his finger and says the oath into the ring, then he doesn't become the green lantern, but everybody else has been chosen by the ring landing on their finger.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very different proposition with John Stewart and we're not even sure if it would have worked.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not deaf enough, it would have worked, because it hasn't been done in the different, and we're just being told these pieces of information, right?
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So
01:00:50 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's that.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There are two big mysteries left to solve the series.
01:00:53 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one is what happened to Hal Jordan in 2026 and his frozen dead body with the sniper rifle bullet held in his head, just like that, sniper rifle bullet held in her head.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: From the sniper that is John Stewart, but he wasn't in 10, he was called in to 10.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So probably wasn't the person that did it.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's fine, date over the next couple episodes.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And the other piece is, well,
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave it all of them have the Green Lantern ring.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Guy Gardner has the Green Lantern ring in Superman, the third Green Lantern in this universe We still haven't seen him in the show so Nathan Filling will be in the series.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We knew that for the stars But I guess we're gonna find out why he gets the ring and whether he has it at the end of the series going into the next Superman movie Manantamara which is coming out next summer
01:01:38 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the whole universe all being connected is very weird for D.C. That's very unusual talking about D.C. properties and going, Ooh, there's something else coming up in the future.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's connected to all this.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the other mystery that kind of has to be sold by this show, because we have two green lanterns bashing over a ring, and neither of them had us in the Superman movie.
01:01:56 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's it.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting to find out how this season ends.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But those are two quite big stories, I think.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: to deal with.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll probably be dealt with in about three minutes out of the three hours that we've got left.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And then give those five different or the five hours worth of different mysteries to discuss.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: A fun other stuff that we can talk about.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But what a great way to close out the 2016 story and the story of Zoe the Man Hunter.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still want to know more, still want to see more of the characters, but yeah, it's been a fascinating episode.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Overall,
01:02:32 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I absolutely loved this again.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd give this five flame grilled lanterns out of five.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's just very unexpected episode with what happened at the end, as we said.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, the thing that was just sort of flashing away like the red warning light was Noah and how Noah was being sort of treated in that moment of the need for protection,
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's really brutal stuff here.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly around proving whether you're a man hunter or not.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some touching moments of this as well.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I did quite like when you're making just sort of saying to Zoe, thank you for the time that you extra that you gave me.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was a really kind of nice little moment there.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a thing.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You have, it is that.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_02]: mystery is still there.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though they've kind of finished in many respects, that mystery of how has the make and ranch gotten like that from the first episode.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We now know, but the mystery still lingers because John Stewart has become a different part in this story because
01:03:48 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_02]: renounce the ring in a sense how also because in a sense he's got his Disgraced as ring's gone that's gone back to the garden exactly so the ring has gone You know that there's still loads of mystery here despite them
01:04:03 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_02]: giving us what many would consider penultimate or final episodes in some respects, or other, you know, say the first season to go into a second one.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't wait, I think this is what I'm loving about this show.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: There's loads of layers.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: loads of new ones, loads of mystery on characters that because I only really know basic stuff of the lanterns I might go oh well it must be this and it's not so this is a treat every time I'm watching it and it's really good in here I think in the way they as well are approaching just the things around
01:04:45 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_02]: race, I think, in terms of sexuality, just in very, not overbearing, nothing major, just the way it's handled really nicely done.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I would give this five flame grills, lanterns, out of five, and also just really good action, some good action here.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a few little
01:05:10 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_02]: at an overall, I still thought lights out was really, really good and it's continuing my five out of five here and I think that's it, I think, at the moment, even if they're all little quibbles,
01:05:26 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a really solid piece of work, actors, the writing, the show running, the directions, so on.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, five flame girls, lanterns out of five.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think for me, it's just, you know, you could focus on the little quibbles, which, that anti moment is a big issue for me.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
01:05:48 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You could focus on ten other amazing things that happened that upset the moment when we see how taking on take getting into the helicopter Afters got the night vision goggles in the in the big smoke big black smoke area and then flies the the helicopter above it That was so cool looking to look to movie quality was absolutely cool But yeah, the loads of other great moments in the episodes are totally with you.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Really really good
01:06:12 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to go everything and I'll just to make a sound different.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say Coibles, instead of Coibles, Coibles, Coibles, Coibles, not Coaters, no, no, yeah, because it is just, there are small things, but overall this show is,
01:06:33 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_03]: well-paced giving you the just enough that you want to know more and it is making it must watch TV yeah like it really is and it it reminds me and I know I won't keep talking about true detective because there is that element of connection but it reminds me of everyone talking
01:07:02 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I am seeing so many people go, I've heard a bit of this lantern show and I'm like, yeah, it's green lanterns Like it's comic book and they're like, oh, yeah, I thought so but like it doesn't feel like comic books and I that's Very much what they've managed to do here.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've taken a comic book piece and they've made it very
01:07:27 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: and make sure well written show out of this and hey well done that's all I can say absolutely I think because the hour of us ran for so many years on TV when people think of DC comic book TV show they go oh no not one of those flash or arrow shows and this is so far
01:07:47 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: from those types of shows.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, and it's really interesting when you mention an episode like this where they use the comic book tropes.
01:07:52 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We have how Jordan the Green Lantern running out of power has to run back to his hotel to power up and while he's there he gets attacked by his former friend turned into his enemy, you know, all of those things are in every issue of comic books, you know, that's the very standard story, you know.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But done so well here and translated into that premium
01:08:15 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It happens, doesn't it?
01:08:17 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no over exposition here, or, you know, the Falcon crests thing of, oh no, look, you were my friend once.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that kind of thing, you know, can you imagine if that happened and then they would tell them in this show?
01:08:29 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: We would all head for the bar immediately.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, I think we do need to go.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I get a drink at the local Redneck bar, John.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, at fellow lanterns, fellow guardians, and fellow quizzes, we're on to question five of the Rushville redneck park quiz.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And for this episode, the question is, when was Rushville established?
01:08:53 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, very good.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It was slightly longer and then it was spoiled by you too.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_02]: in the podcast.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I knew the question, so I knew you'd include the population.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I literally deleted live.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I took it.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I took it.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I took it.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I told you about it.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, let's just.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you not to include it because I knew I was going to talk about the podcast.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So, do you want to get the question or work?
01:09:16 --> 01:09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: When was Rushville established?
01:09:21 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder do we have to change the barquiz name next week if we're not going to be in Rushville?
01:09:25 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But we get back to Rushville in 2020, so maybe it's just less rednecky.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been this episode, maybe.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, definitely, that's since the population is less.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You definitely, in less rednecky.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just the fact that the Gotham, the Gotham thugs where they arrive, he literally says, I'm going to kill all the rednecks in this diner.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, maybe they've killed a lot of rednecks in town.
01:09:47 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that is the fifth question of ace questions put that together with the correct answers at the end of the season and email us to feedback at tvpodcastindustry.com with all the correct answers and you could be with the chance of getting your hands on some lantern goodies.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the same email address of course where you send in your feedback to us if you want to send that into us and first up we have some email feedback in from coffee and vodka who says greetings fellow
01:10:12 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what?
01:10:13 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow!
01:10:13 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like we've got her 2016 closure with the Battle Royale and the Resultant Rushville ruins, as well the absence of the exploding aliens.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Likewise how Guy Gardner got the ring and the probable reason howl stayed behind.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Kerry Kane still doesn't explain the checking of howl's finger, his frozen dinner stays, or John's fantastic beard, as for this time frame as usual so well acted, written and directed.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The center stage was smoothly shared between John, Hal, Zoe and Kerry, half to say, however, the icing on the cake was John's manipulation of Zoe perfectly capped with two simple words from Hal as base.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: His refusal to take the ring he felt was tinted was poignant, illustrating his honor and eliminated the Guardians and to a degree, Hal's bullshit.
01:10:55 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Next up, 2026, five pinky promises, bates, motels and played aliens
01:11:05 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Great stuff coffee and vodka.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Loving those owls.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: There.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I was always happy.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Pinky promises.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Bait's motel is quite good.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That was quite good as well.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I just like it is played aliens.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I like pinky promises because ain't no way doing pinky promises.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, back in 2006.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not like that.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to give up your pinky finger with a knife.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, lots of speculation about what's going to happen in the rest of the season.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, really well-acted world delivery episode this week.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your feedback.
01:11:44 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, lovely stuff.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, coffee and vodka.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you, coffee and vodka.
01:11:48 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_03]: We also got some feedback over on our Discord server where Paul Lee had this to say, presumably Zoe was at the diner because the two Gotham could go and show up, as well as seeing the satellites that carry was pushing her car into town.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Makes me wonder if she thought ahead of to get in carry on the police force and setting her up to be the sheriff, or maybe even setting her up to be with Billy, also in a lovely bit of storytelling when Anton's act surprised when Hal tells him that the man hunter has assumed a male identity, then revealing that he and the man director had a relationship, but couldn't have a child together before the genocide?
01:12:28 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_03]: The show has been able to show us reasons stuff.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Simply, we each of the magic characters, even as we find out more about how they fit into the plot, can't wait for the other subs to drop.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks Paul, and yeah, I think that one of the most interesting parts is how they built Zoe up to be you to just assume and want to kind of sympathize with this character.
01:12:57 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think when they potentially show
01:13:00 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_03]: much of a crazy genum cydele robot she was and maybe that is where you're like the rug is pulled or it's the opposite where they are oh no she wasn't that she's a misunderstood machine that's all
01:13:15 --> 01:13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, it's part of that, but I would say it is about how she chooses people and saves them and helps them, you know, that the fact that William may continue was so dead set and giving up his life that he learned her language, he learned all about the relationship that she had with and tell them the past so that he could pretend to be her, you know, who is that level of knowledge and also said, thank you so much for all the extra years he gave
01:13:44 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: with that or intervention.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was totally committed in that cults of personality that she created that she was, he was almost calling her a day as he went talking about her to, to how a couple of weeks ago.
01:13:57 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's probably is about the people that she chooses to let in on this and yet it's Paul's point.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say Zoe was watching Kerry push her current ten realizing she was being followed by thugs and going, oh, maybe she's one of the ones that
01:14:13 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: this time.
01:14:14 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you made those plans and advance you wouldn't have gone out to help or otherwise I don't think so.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's part of it.
01:14:22 --> 01:14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely, which makes you wonder is the reason why she was in the bar with John Stewart and how at the beginning of the season because she saw something in John Stewart that she felt he could be manipulative, you know?
01:14:35 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe, absolutely.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think as well, Paul, she had point around the sympathy with each of these characters, and it's really good sort of that nuance layering and, you know, I don't want to say,
01:14:51 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: the grey, it's not black and white, you know, but it's just really nicely done.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And because, yeah, there were moments where I thought Zoe and John might be something that he would do.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't necessarily sure he was going to go full kill her, so again, even just throwing up those
01:15:13 --> 01:15:20 [SPEAKER_02]: and complications around someone's character means the response of all the people to that can be a surprise.
01:15:20 --> 01:15:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great stuff.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Paul.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And also over on Discord, Richard Blaise says, getting bored each week saying, wow, but wow, what an episode?
01:15:31 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Loving the fact that they've not tried to drag it out with misdirection on top of misdirection to fill out the episodes.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: hugely intrigued to see where they go now that 2016 is done.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Will we get a flashback episode for Hal and ultimately see John get the ring?
01:15:48 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Richard.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing we're moving into the future to 2021.
01:15:54 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It will be interesting around whether John will get the ring.
01:15:59 --> 01:16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could call that really.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it feels like he feels like he should be.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But he feels like he doesn't want to do.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So it feels like someone has to apologize to him.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Or someone has to make a big change in his life and what they've dealt with them to make him feel like he should be the hero with the ring.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's seen what it did to how.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's seen what it did to everybody around him.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But even I think like his coffee in vodka said that he is the checking house.
01:16:30 --> 01:16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know,
01:16:32 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_02]: for the ring, or so we thought actually, maybe it's something different in the end.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it just going to the hell ever, get that ring back after I left him 10 years ago?
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think that's...
01:16:47 --> 01:16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see again a flashback episode for how it'll be interesting if they do that.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That then takes it down to a one episode.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think they've packed in so much in the two of these first five episodes.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And probably by allowing them to be a roughly an hour.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a little bit more time that they give to things.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But I can expect that they will pack in a load more in the last three.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like we're going to have to see.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: some moments with Sinestra and how, together when they were together in the past.
01:17:19 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So whether that's next to each episode, the full hour-long flashback episode, or whether it'll be interspersed there in the next couple of episodes.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I expect we're going to see a bit more of that, especially having cast the actor to play Sinestra and only having him behind bars for five minutes that worked for Hannibal.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, in the sound of the lands, as we mentioned before, but I suspect they have going to show us a bit more of Sinestra as well.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: but it's all connected now, so you can appear in anything.
01:17:47 --> 01:17:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You can, absolutely.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:17:49 --> 01:17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks Richard for your thoughts.
01:17:51 --> 01:17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, Paolo sent us in his thoughts on discord.
01:17:54 --> 01:17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, hey, peeps.
01:17:56 --> 01:18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't normally enjoy the action packed showdown episode, but this one was very good.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How learned very quickly had to deal with the darkness gas, which was a good thing to see.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The episode cleared the board of quite a few pieces, possibly for the jump forward.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And left me with many questions.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Now dead the original manhunter is gone, but after seeing that healing drop of blood, I wonder if hybrid start cropping up, maybe carry some, which would put John in the new position.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardian's callousness in front of all the death and destruction is brutal, and I think that technically how is still the owner of the ring, will he get us or take it back?
01:18:28 --> 01:18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is this when Guy Gardner gets chosen?
01:18:31 --> 01:18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He should appear in the next episode, I'm curious to see how his stupid haircut fits in this gritty version.
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: for me.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, excellent stuff, probably.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, see, there is hand through the darkness and just held still handcuffed to the helicopter.
01:18:52 --> 01:19:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And I too am interested to see how the haircut phase in so much, I can say, this universe now but in this postcode at least.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's convenient as as beautiful as it was in the last Superman film and it will be in Man of Tomorrow because it is Guy Gardner's style, something slightly different.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say that I've actually released the clip of Gaga and her already, so I do know who he looks like in the show, and I've seen the clip.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to, and I know this is going to.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're doing the releases a bit for weeks ago.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I've been expecting that he was going to be in the next episode, or the next episode, or the next.
01:19:40 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So they released it, I think, after the first episode to say, he'll be in the show guys, don't worry about it.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he probably going to have to go and check that out.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's probably going to be in the episode 8.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The lot of the post credit scene is going to be Guy Gardener.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be us.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:19:54 --> 01:19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?
01:19:55 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened?
01:19:56 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened?
01:19:57 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's it.
01:19:57 --> 01:20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be fun and really sort of gun-esque in a sense.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but... Well, Rocket Raccoon will come in.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He will be doing a malagum.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:11 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like the head of a malagum.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be awesome.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But until the next episode of the next three episodes of the show, I think we'll close it out there, guys.
01:20:18 --> 01:20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else?
01:20:18 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
01:20:19 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but thank you so much, Paolo, great to have your thoughts, and anyone else, don't forget you can send us your feedback by heading over to Discord, the server where you'll find in the show notes, or by throwing us an email by going to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com.
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01:20:59 --> 01:21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, thank you so much for joining us.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week with lanterns episode six of course.
01:21:03 --> 01:21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes indeed.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much fellow lanterns and fellow guardians and of course fellow quizzes because the old quizzing is there until the next time when we hit on in episode six
01:21:22 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep shining alice.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye, bye.
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