Two episodes this week and this time Derek and John are chatting about Daredevil Born Again Season 2 Episode 2 'Shoot the Moon'. We're going into full spoiler filled detail on the return of Daredevil, so make sure you've watched the episode before listening to our podcast.
Daredevil 202 "Shoot The Moon" Details
Executive Producers are Kevin Feige, Stephen Broussard, Jonathan Schwartz, Louis D’Esposito, Brad Winderbaum, Dario Scardapane
Directed by Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead
Written by Dario Scardapane
Episode Synopsis:
Cherry is taken to hospital following the attack by Wilson Fisk’s Anti Vigilante Task Force. Daredevil watches on wondering why Bullseye intervened and what his message could have meant. Meanwhile Benjamin Poindexter visits Matt’s old church looking for Matt’s mother, Sister Maggie. But unable to find her he looks for absolution.
Fisk continues to train for his upcoming boxing match but when Buck Cashman relays the news of the dead AVTF agents and Poindexter’s help, Fisk violently takes his frustration out on his trainer.
As tensions on the street escalate a simple misunderstanding leads to Angela Del Toro’s aunt Soledad’s arrest. Angela goes to Kristen McDuffie to find help but instead finds her uncle Hector’s White Tiger costume.
Matt and Karen want to prove that Fisk was smuggling guns and need to find the First Mate from the ship that was sunk in the East River. But before they can reach their contact Fisk comes up with a plan to locate his enemy. He sends the city out looking for Matt Murdock, the hero who saved him. As they see Fisk’s minions remove the weapons from the wreckage Matt resolves to go to Red Hook himself before their chance is lost.
With a warning from Fisk, Daniel is Concerned that BB might be using him to get access to secure files, he confronts her and warns her to stop or she won’t be safe. But BB doubles down and puts out another underground video of Mayor Fisk.
When two more of the AVTF are killed by Poindexter, more agents are sent to the hospital to try to finish the job on Cherry, but he outsmarts them and goes into hiding. They finally catch up with Matt and Karen at Josie’s. While Daredevil fights his way out and regroups with Karen at Frank Castle’s old hideout, she takes matters into her own hands, kidnapping one of the Task Force.
Daredevil Born Again Episode 2 Cast
- Charlie Cox - Matt Murdock/Daredevil
- Vincent D'Onofrio - Wilson Fisk
- Deborah Ann Woll - Karen Page
- Nikki M. James - Kirsten McDuffie
- Genneya Walton - BB Urich
- Margarita Levieva - Heather Glenn
- Tony Dalton - Jack Duquesne
- Clark Johnson - Cherry
- Zabryna Guevara - Sheila Rivera
- Michael Gandolfini - Daniel Blake
- Arty Froushan - Buck Cashman
- Wilson Bethel - Benjamin Poindexter / Bullseye
- and Ayelet Zurer - Vanessa Fisk
Josie's Bar Quiz
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00:00 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_04]: This is the defenders on TV podcast industries were back for the second episode of Daredevil born again season two shoot the moon What the hell was supposed to do in there?
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I could have killed him.
00:12 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Same to the task force.
00:13 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he didn't.
00:13 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is that?
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: More of his insanity as you have a reason.
00:17 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The killing task force only helps Fisk, right?
00:20 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He's already saying I'm a terrorist.
00:22 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So each body point takes a drop, so he's just another home on me.
00:24 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it pisses off his, so that's like two birds, one bullet.
00:28 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but he doesn't want me to head.
00:32 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know if he was shitty, come fucking.
00:35 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This task force psychos, but a bullet in his head.
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Karen, this doesn't help.
00:38 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine you feel the same.
00:58 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back fellow defenders to TV podcast industries.
01:01 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_04]: We're back with the second episode of Daredevil Board again season 2 shoot the moon I'm one of your host Derek.
01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello there fellow defenders.
01:09 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I am one of your other host John welcome back to our podcast coverage of Daredevil Board again season 2 We will have our pub quiz
01:20 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Jaycee's pub quiz later on in this installment of the podcast and of course as always if you're joining us a fresh Please head on over to TV podcast industries.com where you can subscribe to any good or evil podcast catcher of your choice and you can of course send us in feedback
01:42 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_03]: your thoughts, your theories, your observations on all the episodes of Daredevil.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
01:49 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And I promise we will have our second question in the Josie's Barquiz later on in the in the podcast.
01:54 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And it will be far higher than last week's podcast question because we didn't know the name of the episode was going to be the answer to the question, and like we've ever given an easier question.
02:05 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you just need to write down the name, even if you didn't hear your last
02:10 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And I gave a hint as well.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_04]: No, there is.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Look, sometimes these things happen.
02:15 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes we get caught up.
02:18 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But John, we should talk about one quick thing before we kick into the podcast.
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Something we didn't mention.
02:24 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_04]: We've been myself at Chris talked about the Spider-Man brand new data error that came out on our invincible podcast, which we're covering as well on TV podcast industries.
02:31 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But one thing that we noticed in that trailer, we didn't talk about.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We should talk about here on the demo.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So we should, yeah.
02:37 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Because Spider-Man, the hero of New York, gets the key to the city from a character that we live in Daredevil born again.
02:46 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Sheila Rivera, the head of the mayor's office, a good old friend Sabrina Gravara Who was there all the way back with Gotham TV podcast for yourselves, but yes, giving the keys to New York to
03:07 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_03]: a vigilante maybe in plain sight, being given the keys to the city.
03:13 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So very interesting to see how that end point comes about.
03:19 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, it's going to be about a month after the Punisher.
03:24 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_04]: movie which has been confirmed now for May 12th, the Punisher also featuring quite heavily in the Spider-Man brand new day trailer.
03:31 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, really interesting developments that will come up but very cool seeing as Sabrina Gavara in there in the movies now because we've tracked our podcast all the way back to the first episode, back to Gotham where Sabrina Gavara played Captain Sarah Essen in the Gotham city police department.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So kind of cool that we're going all the way to this year
03:53 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, but it is interesting that they did plunk it in it and given this is live and it's suggested of what made her now in this series.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I know speculation that's what they live over at Marvel though, that's why they enjoy doing this kind of stuff.
04:10 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm surprised that it didn't digitally remove her just so that we didn't all see the speculation Exactly because there may have been one or two other characters digitally removed from the trailer once again Like the dinner with the last Spider-Man movie.
04:22 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the speculation going on as well But yeah, always cool to see one of our wonderful cast members from all the shows that we've been covering especially someone that would be covering right the way back to the star of Gotham Getting a movie role Awesome stuff and John we recorded a little bit earlier
04:36 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_04]: last week because we got these episodes in advance of the release of them.
04:40 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So we've got some feedback in for Daredevil Morning again and season one episode one, the first episode of the season.
04:46 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I really wanted to talk about it because I wanted to hear what our fellow defenders I think and so far are this first episode.
04:52 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to start out with some email feedback.
04:54 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to send a URL email feedback to us, you can email us to feedback at TVPodcast industry.com, just like Coffee and Vodka does, he sent in his thoughts on the first episode.
05:03 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He says greetings fellow double D defenders.
05:06 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I spelled AVTF in Fiskville apparently holds as tightly as a can to the roots and tone of the original series despite the unfortunate baggage of some of the first
05:15 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Season of Born Again, seeing, for example, de-de-fice a bunch of goons, a mist stacked container set me right back to 2015, surely an intentional thing, a nice mix of action, contemporary dystopia and stormy foreshadowing, Karen and BB's conversation all but etched the latter's headstone, and the appearance of swordsman.
05:34 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_04]: a future rescued ally, as for the etched blade, frank or bull's eye.
05:39 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Often, Vinceville, I see what you mean by a tight schedule, the best of all problems, five-capped captains, unscrupulous shaggies, and cherry-pop-tired sex of five, and he's gonna take care of coffee and vodka.
05:51 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, they all cherry-pop-tired.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that, very good.
05:55 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really glad you're enjoying it, coffee and vodka, and for me, definitely the edge blade was Bullseye, it has a little symbol on, between then you're welcome, so a definitely Bullseye.
06:08 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Frank's very good with his bullets, but not very good with bansing things off walls to land.
06:12 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
06:12 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Perfectly, right in front of Matt Merrillock, that is Bullseye's signature move right there.
06:18 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
06:19 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, same as yourself with Karen and BB's conversation that yes, you can see that they'll chisel a Working away on the headstone already.
06:29 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you imagine if what happens at the end of the series is Karen's Holding BB's dead body in a rarms going oh no, I've killed another member of their family By my unfortunate investigation But she's been warned she's been warned Now so she's fully aware of that
06:49 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, in terms of Jack Dukain, I'm really interested to see how this character plays out actually, because he was one of those characters that was really intriguing from Kate Bishop's run and Hawkeye's run there.
07:08 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really enjoyed that whole aspect to Jack Dukain, so it's good to see him in this.
07:15 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like it was such a great little,
07:17 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_04]: almost Easter egg or cameo last season him arriving at the party and and they're here he is in the second season of the show.
07:26 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_04]: forming a good portion of the story, let's say, and we'll see more of him in episode 2 and 3.
07:30 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, like you're called out there, that's felt like the battle between duty and the goons in the containers.
07:38 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Reminders year 2015, I am sure I said exactly the same thing that I said on episode 1 of this podcast that I said last week that I replied to me of Batman 1999, and also of Batman begins where they have the swear to me moments with Christian bail.
07:55 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm sure all those reminiscing of each other, but yes, you're absolutely right, reminiscing of of 2015, well ten years, turn 11 years.
08:03 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Since Daredevil, the first season on Netflix, I could look at that.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
08:09 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks a lot for your welcome for your thoughts on the first episode.
08:11 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully we'll hear from you for the rest of the episodes of Y'all, go through the season.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, coffee and vodka.
08:16 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_03]: What next is Russell Hooper who says, let me start by thanking you fine, gentlemen, for doing this episode.
08:23 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you hadn't, I wouldn't have known to have a point again, season 2 was out.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent, Russell.
08:29 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: really glad to be able to connect you in with season two of devily and if you want subscribe to all marketing stay subscribe to TV podcast industry.
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08:48 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Russell continues great episodes.
08:50 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It had a Batman dot night gritty field to it.
08:53 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Man, would that be a great crossover?
08:56 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He ledger's Joker in this New York move over Kingpin.
09:01 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_03]: You've got a much worse Joker to deal with.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, the turn of this episode was great.
09:07 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought we were going to lose cherry then when the silent shots took out the task force, I immediately thought of the Punisher explained to me this please.
09:16 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought Bullseye is a bad guy or does he walk in that great area also?
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Matt and Karen together?
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's about time.
09:24 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It better last like forever.
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you say Mr. Charles has connected to the Avengers?
09:30 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_03]: No, Scooby-Doo, I think you'll find Russell Hoover.
09:33 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It is the one and only shaggy.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Matthew Lillard, Jim.
09:38 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and... Oh, yes, what we said was he's connected to the new Avengers, which is the team led by... Contessa, Defundane.
09:47 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, yes, no problem.
09:48 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Montessa?
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_04]: From Thunderbolts.
09:50 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you haven't seen Thunderbolts, I don't think it's a massive spoiler by now.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bit of a year.
09:56 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Russell follows on.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, Langley is where the CIA headquarters is.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Not the FBI.
10:03 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much Russell for that.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just couldn't quite remember, but as soon as you say it is quantico FBI.
10:10 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is.
10:10 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_04]: That must be it.
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, excellent.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for that clarification.
10:15 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_04]: You think after all that time watching sounds, the lambs, you go all the way.
10:19 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But just in
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_03]: brain-fast.
10:26 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, all clarified now, the fog of fasses has gone from the brain.
10:32 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Russell continues, I know it's early on in the season and I don't know how much of season 2 you've seen, but do you think the events of this show could affect the events in the upcoming Spider-Man movie or the new Avengers movie?
10:46 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great to hear you guys again.
10:48 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a while since you covered the show I watched.
10:50 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Just not enough annivers in a day to watch everything I'd like to keep defending.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Russell Hooper, USA.
10:57 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much, Russell.
10:59 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, we certainly see that the events of this are going to be connected.
11:05 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least characters are connected in with the Spider-Man movie.
11:09 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And how much
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_03]: don't know.
11:12 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And but certainly there is looks like it's going to be a Daredevil into the Punisher movie, into the Spider-Man movie.
11:22 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And certainly as far as we know, old Sheila.
11:27 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_03]: The long-suffering head of Fisk's office will certainly be in the Spider-Man Disney.
11:35 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now we don't know timelines, of course, absolutely possible.
11:38 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's Spider-Man Brandy Day takes place before this season of Daredevil board again.
11:43 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So Sheila is pre Wilson Fisk's and of spoilers from that.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know for definite.
11:49 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Punisher, of course, is also in Spider-Man Brandy Day and again.
11:53 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: we don't know whether that takes place after Punisher one last kill which is the name of the Punisher movie coming age on May 12th there.
12:00 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So we don't know much about that, not going to speculate too much because I think that ruins the movie as well.
12:06 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So don't talk about that too much.
12:08 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_04]: You did have one question for us to ask the question, explain to me whether Bullseye is a bad guy or does he walk in the gray area?
12:16 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_04]: No Bullseye is a bad guy in general but as with every character on
12:21 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_04]: they try to put in his perspective as to why he's doing the things he's doing and I think we have a little bit more of that.
12:28 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It episode two and three as well, which we'll talk about, but no, he is definitely a bad guy.
12:34 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think at the moment it's more
12:38 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He probably feels more betrayed by the fists with what's happened as opposed to dirt ever.
12:46 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, that's the speculation that we have right now.
12:50 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, you're entirely right to be questioning whether he's a good guy or bad guy, what side he's on, whether the vigilantes are all going to gang up together against Kingpin.
12:59 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_04]: That's going to be part of the story that we'll be covered this season with the character, I guess.
13:02 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_04]: So, we're looking forward to hearing more about that.
13:04 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff.
13:06 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Russell.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Mmm, thanks, Russell.
13:08 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And over on Discord, you can join our Discord the link in the show notes for this episode.
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, Dr. Bob sent his message over there.
13:14 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_04]: He says violent retribution, absence of any due process, and exquisite tailoring, Fisk is going to have to work hard to catch up with the exploits of Daredevil and his pals from this episode.
13:24 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_04]: He also asked if John had trip back to see his family recently, lovely extra lilt of Murzy side of the intertwined D's
13:32 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Good luck managing the trio of shows.
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Cheers, Dr. Bob.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_03]: No, not since Christmas.
13:40 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess,
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_03]: little soups on of scouts.
13:50 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it must have come out when you were saying Daredevil.
13:53 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Daredevil, Amy.
13:54 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's it.
13:56 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was Daredevil.
13:57 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
13:58 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
13:59 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, there's some really, really cool stuff going on here.
14:02 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Glad you're joining Dr. Bob.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great to have thanks, uh, Dr. Bob.
14:08 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic.
14:08 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_04]: How'd you have some Facebook feedback as well, John, do you want to share it with the Facebook stuff?
14:12 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely Harvey Locke says, do you think Bulls I carved your welcome into the knife weeks before and has just been carrying it around waiting for the right moment?
14:22 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I really hope it's Angela Del Toro behind the kingpin mess.
14:27 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I think your welcome probably is generally enough that it would work for anyone.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he doesn't leave that as a colored card very often.
14:39 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He knows usually someone that shoots people to the head.
14:42 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, though, I think he might have been looking for an opportunity to save Matt Barrett on.
14:46 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's clearly lurking.
14:48 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of like, you know, long time listener first time caller.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_03]: That must be a good idea.
14:53 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's more lurking.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: with old bullside.
14:57 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I just love the idea that for six months he's been carrying this knife at his pocket and you're welcome hoping that he's gonna have an opportunity to throw us at Matt.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_04]: What was it?
15:07 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess he still remembers that he got hooked off a building by Daredevil.
15:11 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I mean, he's really annoyed at the Fisk to my earlier comments as well.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Really, really, really annoying.
15:19 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Good speculation from Harvey on who could possibly hide the Kinkpen mask.
15:24 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll find that in the next couple of episodes.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
15:27 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Finally, on episode one, Mathematician says MCU is back.
15:31 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_04]: As much as I love TVPI analyzing any of the show's movies that I enjoy, you're definitely at your best at the MCU, and more specifically the world of the defenders, Matthew Lillard, what a joy.
15:41 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the actors become a bit hammy, it looks forced and tacky.
15:44 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Lillard goes for the wacky effect, and it comes across as natural, great actor.
15:49 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Working for Val means he can walk into any room and know that he calls the shots, who I test levels of propaganda from fist to put enough fear into the NYU residents to
16:00 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Keep everybody safe.
16:03 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Only palatable as BB is helping Karen.
16:06 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Muse showing up here and there as a form of Heather's PTSD while she's interviewing Jack showing, she isn't all in yet and I reckon she'll be part of Fist's ultimate danceful who like that.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: B.B.
16:17 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_04]: needs to stay away from young Goud del Fini's deputy mayor, he will get her killed, she believes he's not bad, just ambitious.
16:23 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see.
16:24 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Desperate to see Matt give Paola good beating before the end of the series after seeing his team torture cherry and bringing on a heart attack.
16:32 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Was the dagger warning to Matt or an olive branch because Matt spared Dex's life?
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I recently watched.
16:38 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Hawkeye with my lad and have forgotten Jack was in season one so great to see as return it.
16:43 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Any chance we'll get a bishop as part of this season.
16:45 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Set up nicely for the series, can't wait for episode 2.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I loved your analysis.
16:49 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Great discussion boys, even if a mischievous input for this one, life is so much better when there's a new MCU content available.
16:57 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for that.
16:59 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Really good to get your feedback.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm totally with you on Daniel.
17:06 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of like becoming ever more kind of...
17:13 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_03]: problematic for me.
17:14 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we'll get into a bit more with the next couple of episodes, but certainly I like the kind of danger, the the affable danger that he brings.
17:25 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you know, I just say doesn't come across as a threat, but we will see indeed, and I do think it makes for a really nice tense relationship between
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_03]: himself and BB.
17:40 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_04]: It does feel like he's going to get out of a few scrapes by the skin of his teeth, but the people that are left behind may bear the brunt of what he's done.
17:48 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I also fear for Sheila with him.
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
17:52 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
17:55 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll see.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the season goes on.
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks so much for your thoughts on that mathematician.
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great thoughts.
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, math and decision.
18:01 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And with that, that's the end of the feedback on episode 1, please keep sending in your feedback to us to all the details there.
18:06 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_04]: You can join us over on our Facebook group as well at Facebook.com slash groups slash TV podcast industries as a spoiler post up there and on discord for each of the episodes of each of the shows that we're covering as well.
18:15 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So we'd love to hear from you as the season goes on.
18:18 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But we are jumping into season two episode two.
18:21 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_04]: We are recording in advance again for this one, so we will share your thoughts on episode two and episode three on next week's episode.
18:27 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_04]: But for this episode, we are just discussing episode two, even if you watch the head, because two episodes come at this week done.
18:34 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the most random thing.
18:37 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like someone.
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: forgot how to count.
18:41 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know we were speculating about last week that there was going to be episode 1 and episode 2 we're going to commit in the same day and then the day after we recorded they said no it's going to be episode 2 and 3, next week.
18:50 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And then episode 4 will come out and so then 5, 6 and 7 will come out and I mean who knows?
18:56 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Well then we've got the list now we would definitely it's one week every week after this week so episode 4 next week is going to be out in its own and the reason for it is because of the Punisher special coming out of May 12th.
19:07 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So they decided that date and then said, oh, we've got to finish Daredevil.
19:10 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_04]: It seems like they've got to finish Daredevil in time.
19:12 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So they both bundle them together.
19:14 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Boss, I do want to say we missed this and we forgot this last season that did something really weird in and born again as well.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_04]: They did.
19:23 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Episode 4 and Episode 5 were put together in the same week.
19:26 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Remember the bank job episode.
19:28 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which was the stand alone one, which was about 25 minutes long or something.
19:32 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_04]: That was put in the same week as in the episode.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So they have done weird stuff before with a born again specifically.
19:38 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like there's some kind of streaming platform Tom Bola that they just sort of dip their hand into and it's like the rooms that say
19:54 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_03]: three episodes to open up the new season.
19:57 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it two?
19:58 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it two more and one more way?
20:00 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yes, strap on in fellow defenders for the rise.
20:05 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That is when will these episodes?
20:07 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
20:08 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for us, I guess it's not so bad, but yes, it just...
20:14 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_03]: adds to the weekly work flow.
20:17 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_04]: It does.
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20:34 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Foggy Nelson will rise like one of the other well-known defenders of the planet.
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Totally, we're going to call them that.
20:44 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But just to make it even more complicated as to why they put the second episode on this week rather than attach the first one.
20:52 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_04]: The directors of this episode are Jason Bezzan and Aaron Moorehead who directed episode one.
20:56 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And the writer of the episode is Darius Gardepan, who is the showrunner and writer of episode one as well.
21:04 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_04]: and on the first week, but that's fine.
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_04]: They were, we're chatting about episode two now.
21:09 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: John, do you want to give us the synopsis for season two episode two, shoot the moon?
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
21:16 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Cherry has taken to hospital following the attack by Wilson Fisk's anti-vigilante task force.
21:22 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Daredevil watches on wondering why Bullseye intervened and what his message could have meant.
21:27 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, Benjamin Pointexter visits Matt's old church, looking for Matt's mother, assistant Maggie.
21:33 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_03]: But unable to find her, he looks for Absolution instead.
21:37 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Fisk continues to train for his upcoming boxing match, but when Buck Kaschman relayes the news of the dared AVTF agents and point-exters help, Fisk violently takes his frustration out on his trainer, as we have all thought we should do.
21:53 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_03]: What's wrong with you?
21:54 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_03]: This isn't like him.
21:57 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_03]: As tensions on the street escalate, a simple misunderstanding leads to Angela Del Toro's and Solidad's arrest.
22:04 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Angela goes to Kirsten McDuffee to find help, but instead finds her Uncle Hector's white tiger costume.
22:11 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Matt and Karen want to prove that Fisk was smuggling guns and need to find the first mate from the ship that was sunk in the East River.
22:18 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: but before they can reach their contact, Fisk comes up with a plan to locate his enemy.
22:23 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He sends the city out looking for Murdoch, the hero who saved him.
22:28 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_03]: As they see Fisk's minions remove the weapons from the wreckage, Matt resorts to go to Redhawk himself before their chances lost.
22:37 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_03]: With the warning from Fisk Daniel is concerned that BB might be using him to get access to secure files.
22:44 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_03]: He confronts her and wants her to stop or she won't be safe.
22:48 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_03]: But BB doubles down and puts out another underground video of their Fisk.
22:53 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: When two more of the AVTFer killed by Pointexter, more agents are sent to the hospital to try and finish the job on Cherry, but he outsmarts them and goes into hiding.
23:05 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_03]: They finally catch up with Mass and Karen at Josies, while Daredevil fights his way out and regroups with Karen at Frank Castle's old hideout.
23:13 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_03]: She takes matters into her own hands, kidnapping one of the members of the task force.
23:19 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, lots going on in this episode.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, loads.
23:23 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Really good.
23:23 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I did like the fact that there's interlocking dies or double these, if you will, do really look like the Vivo Vendetta style.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
23:35 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Which, you know, I've thought as the spray paint them on the wall.
23:38 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're literally opening where they're spraying the red interlocking dies.
23:43 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean Vivo Vendetta
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_03]: season of Daredevil does.
23:50 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's a really nice touch, which was probably isn't connected to Viva Vendessa, and it certainly feels like it and certainly recommend that you read that comic, my Alan Moore, or indeed watch the movie, which I have a soft spot for.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, definitely.
24:10 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_04]: It's been really released this year.
24:11 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
24:11 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Just in time for just in time for uprising.
24:15 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_04]: absolutely absolutely I also think that it does have that image of V the TV series from the 80s the the alien invasion series as well there's little moments of that a lot of that in these episodes where we have the resistance being being created as well so that's quite cool to have that
24:32 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Also, have to call it before we get into any points at all.
24:35 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I love that moment where we see Daredevil watching on as the police lights are flashing off his costume.
24:45 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_04]: This new black costume that he has or his costume painted black and the DD symbols just the way that they are picked up by the police sirens or police lights.
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what you're watching, Cherry, taking off to hospital.
24:59 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Really good stuff.
25:03 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I even I love the mood lighting that they're doing with point Dexter as well.
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, absolutely.
25:09 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Really really top stuff.
25:11 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get into a junk order order Time for the defense to present their evidence.
25:18 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Please be seated.
25:19 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I Get to our case notes a case note number one.
25:23 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_04]: This point extra here to help John you know
25:28 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope so.
25:30 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of feeling a little mothily or fondly, whatever, um, about all point dexter because I'm kind of like, come on, you can, you know, it's kind of almost like, Vader's like, you can come into the light, you know, you can come to the good side of the force.
25:49 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And what he looks a little threatening to the old priest who wasn't a priest.
25:53 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely no.
25:55 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do wonder if we're going to get
25:59 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_03]: something on a TV screen in the news or a newspaper headline or something around and a murdered priest somewhere.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, gosh, I hope not.
26:10 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the actual scene itself for porn textures going to the church, interesting that he calls back again to the Netflix version of the story where sister Maggie was in the church there.
26:22 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Daredevil's mother in the comics, so interesting that it's reference specifically here, so if you've just watched Season 3 of Daredevil and Netflix and you're back watching born again, there you go, there's an interesting connection.
26:35 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_04]: She's off on a year's sabbatical in Rome, but point out to your stays and says he's looking for absolute for portraying himself and others.
26:47 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: If he's looking for absolute, hopefully that doesn't involve torturing the local priest.
26:51 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I hope not, but just he looked quite menacing and he was kind of playing around with his blade.
26:57 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You are so.
26:59 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of felt that was all for the threatening and we had the lightning blighting switch as he said.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
27:06 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Which was kind of like, okay, he's just gone crazy.
27:08 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_03]: and it's taking a long with maybe two random films as well, who knows.
27:13 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, he's a big sister Maggie, he's trying to find someone to torture, so that he can torture mass in some way, maybe it's something like that.
27:21 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But that's it, I think, that's the thing, I think.
27:24 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's playing a different game here.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
27:29 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_03]: But for me.
27:30 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I love point Dexter.
27:32 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, absolutely really enjoy this character and ever ever since Daredevil on Netflix.
27:40 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought Wilson Bethel has done a great job.
27:43 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, playing bullseye and point dexter here.
27:46 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and really glad that he's back.
27:48 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm I'm really enjoying the fact that as we're
27:54 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like this lurking.
27:56 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not really seeing an awful lot of him, but there's just this overriding sense at various times that he's just watching and waiting, whether it's in
28:07 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: saving Matt from the AVTF guns or whether as we see in this episode where he's kind of watching Vanessa and Heather Glenn have their conversations with Scoop.
28:23 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just a like it is it feel a lot of the relationships here in this season of Daredevil.
28:30 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got some really good tension about them and it in a sense almost off-kilter.
28:40 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_03]: This one is because he's not really seen, that's the threat you don't really know where he is.
28:46 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like he's camouflaged within the city and I think it's to the point of Daniel as well.
28:53 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You know Daniel's camouflaged by his affableness, but I think beneath that there's
28:59 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably a bit of a nightmare to come out and maybe you know, so it's all those kind of things And I really enjoy how that builds And sort of intrigue about what they're going to do or or the tension So for me from a motherly point of view, I hope point extra is going to Move to the light and become a good old kid maybe maybe maybe the reason why he was watching on Vanessa and Heather was because he wanted to talk to Heather about getting into therapy
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe, and that could solve Heather's challenge and his challenge at the same time.
29:35 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_04]: possibly therapy for another vigilante maybe something like that phone call of work's better than staring at us but i like again because of the way the show's gone so far and had a plan having those moments of seeing mues appear at the background was going well is this something of vinesis just seeing the background and then they delivered the scene of vinesis dream where she's walking through the central park i think we've seen that that location before i think it was in jessica jones or iron fist yeah yeah yeah it's been very far
30:02 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_04]: very famous location in New York, but we see her carrying a gun and then the gun flips over to point-daxter.
30:12 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And then she says, I know why you're hunting me.
30:16 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_04]: which is a really interesting, you know, she's the one that made Bulls Eye sign the contract to kill Fuggie Nelson.
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_04]: She's the one that got him out of prison because of that.
30:25 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And now she's waking up from this dream and making her question everything.
30:29 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_04]: She's questioning whether they should open leave New York because she's so scared of what he's going to do to her when he finds her.
30:37 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, absolutely, and I have to say I really love the seals kiss from a rose on a grave.
30:45 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so cool.
30:45 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So if we see the blue rose beside the bed as she goes into a dream and then when she wakes up from a dream, it's the red rose of Kingpin beside her.
30:53 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: So cool to see that change over and again, that was something they added.
30:57 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_04]: The directors added to the end of season one when we saw all the colorization that started.
31:02 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I immediately had seal going through my head.
31:07 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Well that's Batman and Robin and that's it although that's that's from Batman Returns.
31:12 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no Batman forever Yeah, it's the hot.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the awful one.
31:16 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I think but the best soundtrack.
31:18 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
31:18 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, definitely I like the first one as well.
31:21 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got print sounds.
31:22 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's that's 1989.
31:24 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And of course that's the best Batman soundtrack of all time because it's pretty interesting and he knocked that it in a bit about three days Apparently so yeah, there you go
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Look at him, they're Steve, what's the musical talent?
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_04]: He did five albums a one year, that's true.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That's true, that's true.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we miss Prince or IP.
31:41 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_04]: But one more thing, dimension on the point, extra point, on the point of bullseye.
31:47 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Matt and Karen also have a discussion about why
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Point extra did this.
31:53 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Why he saved Matt and why he saved Matt and Cherius about it.
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I just thought it was really interesting speculation from the two of them.
32:00 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Matt potentially thinks, well, every single member of the AVTF that's killed is pinned on him and it will also piss off.
32:12 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, some first to see more and more of it is agents being killed.
32:15 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So,
32:16 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_03]: two birds one stone as Karen says you know so is he not here to help is he actually just trying to piss off fish and yeah make maths life even worse exactly it's just for him it's a win-win situation for both fish and for Matt Murdock it is a lose lose and as I think the interesting thing is because
32:39 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, fish and Murdoch are reflections of one another and around, you know, they're love for the city, but in different ways.
32:48 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_03]: In a sense.
32:50 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess bullseye just rolls his eyes and like, I'm just gonna make life.
32:55 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah, it's a piece of hell for me.
32:58 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I also do like then that he takes out more AVTF agents in the hospital.
33:04 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_03]: A certainly given how much back chat they were given to all cherry and his old colleagues.
33:10 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_03]: He took him at the zombie style with like nice through that.
33:12 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, and he is one person who doesn't need to double tap, but he, I like the, again, the color palette changing in the list.
33:23 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:23 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think as well, I kind of did like that scene in the hospital with Cherry, and his old colleagues.
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It did just felt that.
33:35 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I really felt old school, you know, all the retired mates from the precincts, the little work together.
33:42 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Even ones who are still working, but you know, and are in a sense not in the AVTF, and like some of the uniform cups that were there, and I like how they get the better of
33:56 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_03]: the AVTF and in particular power, I know the former resistance, yeah, like that's what I love about it.
34:03 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we have the guards outside the door and they're told to move along by AVTF who are going to walk into the room and kill Cherry.
34:11 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_04]: But lots of them in there, and I love that the last thing they say to them is, so we'll still be here.
34:16 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to bring the pizza?
34:17 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got ourselves as usually there, love it, really, really good.
34:22 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's it for Point Dexter's first point.
34:25 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, let's get onto our case note number two.
34:30 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, point number two, case number two, is Matt the hero.
34:35 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what an interesting choice here from Fisk is a great moment where we have bookcashman revealing us about that he also knows the secret identity of Daredevil, that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil.
34:48 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's going to, why wouldn't you just release his secret identity into the world?
34:52 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Why wouldn't you tell everybody in New York that Matt Murdoch, this lawyer,
34:58 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Is Daredevil is the the vigilante you've been looking for.
35:02 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm fist just showing that he is Again the smartest guy in the room And goes for hang on a second.
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a really bad sell.
35:08 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: You know this poor lawyer from New York who's blind It's really tough to sell that by that can sell Daredevil.
35:15 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I can sell that this devil from hell's kitchen is a bad guy
35:19 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, but I've got a great idea.
35:21 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_04]: What about if I reveal to the world that the hero that saved me is missing and maybe it's Daredevil's fault, and then suddenly he has both sides of his supporters.
35:32 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_04]: One side trying to find the hero and the other side trying to take at the Daredevil, you know, really, really cool idea.
35:38 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I love that it goes all the way around to the discussion with pal when pal comes in later on.
35:43 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_04]: The episode where he goes, I will bring
35:45 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Matt Murdoch into this office here and I will deliver Daredevil's head in a spike and comedy Wilson Fisk goes either of those will be sufficient knowing that both of those could be possible because the same person.
35:57 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So I love that Wilson Fisk has got the comedy button right there.
36:00 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh absolutely, no, I really like this moment from from book and I love how Fisk turns it on its head so that everyone in New York, including the AVTF, are looking for Matt Nerdock and so that just makes his job even harder because
36:19 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_03]: both of his identities are being searched for.
36:23 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's, you know, the space that he can operate in is way more the squeeze effectively and the way harder for him.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was really good.
36:34 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do like how they're showing fish really sort of jump on how to spin things his way.
36:45 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's the northern star or indeed in this moment here as well.
36:49 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, really, really good.
36:51 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, because you know, the plan that Karen and Masa come up with was that we're going to go to the Greek separate restaurant and a story.
36:59 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the villages in New York and the has probably a city in New York.
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
37:03 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say village, but they're going to go up and be very early in the Greek restaurant to try and find out where the first mace from the northern star is gone and they can't do that net because the whole city is looking for Matt, so Matt has to flip and change to a new plan and the new plan is they're going to have to find a way into Red Hook.
37:22 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And this whole plan from the first episode was that if they were able to pin the shipment of these illegal weapons on Wilson Fisk, then he would be kicked out of his seat as mayor.
37:35 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But if they get the weapons to Red Hook, without them finding them, they could be gone forever.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_04]: They will be moved.
37:41 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_04]: They will be split apart and their lead is gone forever.
37:44 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So Daredevil now has to find a way into Red Hook, right?
37:48 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I love that.
37:51 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is four stirred apples hand really, they've got to kind of bring it forward around your edge hook.
38:00 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like the fact that you have both mass and cows scoping out the port, you know, as kind of saying, well, what happens when no one's watching, as it's like a box or
38:14 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Diapers for Americans, exactly, you know, and at night time you have effectively the guns being moved.
38:22 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So I liked how this, you know, is forced Matt's hand to sort of really have to get into red hook.
38:32 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
38:33 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
38:33 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
38:35 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything else on Matt the heroine?
38:37 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's always been a hero to me.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He is the hero.
38:40 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
38:40 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Hell's kitchen, right?
38:41 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Order in the courts.
38:46 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It is case note number three, and we have Angela's ant-solid ad being arrested.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really good scene here.
38:55 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_03]: This was superb.
38:56 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, Deris said it not to really want to bring politics into the podcast.
39:03 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And but just given what we've seen sort of since at least the new year or even before that around what was going on in Minnesota.
39:15 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_03]: this felt really like that.
39:19 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, just in terms of you have Angela here who was the niece to Hector and to Solidet and so effectively the niece of the White Tiger previously from season one and you just have them going shopping in sort of local bodega.
39:38 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_03]: She's trying to
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Paul's a good.
39:45 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_03]: The one of the member of the task force comes in kind of knocks out the shopkeeper and it is about to break the arm of what the the kids who had actually done the shoplifting.
39:59 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_03]: There was going to do that and she just puts her hand on him to to stop him and he's like,
40:08 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_03]: effectively, in essence, cries wolf.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_03]: What's it says?
40:13 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a softening of Christmas.
40:14 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_03]: We're solving a police officer and you're just there going, it's so horrific seeing that.
40:21 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_03]: The maliciousness behind that small seemingly innocuous act from a police officer.
40:29 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely awful.
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And like given that you just know
40:35 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_03]: worst things have happened than just simply then being arrested.
40:39 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_03]: But she's taken away and you have then that local community all chanting at the members of the AVTF, you know, get out of our neighbourhoods and just repeatedly.
40:52 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And this was the most I feel as though this has hit a, you know, amongst other things, but this is really on the nose.
41:03 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_03]: replicating what was on our new screens just, you know, a few weeks, well, and not earlier.
41:11 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I know, and the sad part about it is they're not referencing what happened in Minnesota because this was filmed last summer.
41:17 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_04]: The exact things that have happened repeatedly over and over again as terrorist regime's rise up and considered themselves in control of the country, you know, it's not specific to Minnesota.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a great
41:28 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_04]: quote from Brad Windabam, when asked about this, he was asked about why is the AVTF mirroring ice and what happened to Minnesota?
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_04]: He said, it's not.
41:37 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Stanley, all we said, Marvel comics and Marvel stories should replicate what's going on inside your window and if it does intersect, what's going on in real life, then it's coincidental.
41:46 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not, it's sad that it's happening again.
41:48 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_04]: If we're telling you that this thing shouldn't be happening and we're telling stories about horrible things happening in the city and they're happening again.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know,
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_04]: take your lessons from history.
41:57 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And then Matthew Lillard, who was in the same interview, said, and I hope it's a wake-up call to people to go, the things that you may not be paying attention to in your life in America can lead to this type of thing happening again for all of us.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, love us.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_04]: This is exactly what we should be seeing in the city.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I love this building tension, you know?
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
42:18 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Very simple moment that could happen in any
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: A local resident sees someone that she kind of knows.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_04]: She knows the kids.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just gonna notice the kids there.
42:28 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_04]: They know her name, you know, and all she's doing is saying look put the bottle back because if you steal the bottle
42:35 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_04]: the shop owner increases prices for everybody and we're in a in a lowering from neighborhood we can't do that and you'll just be a drunk kid at the streets you know let's just stop all that you put it back and we're all sorted could have been taken care of by the local community but this uh a vtv tf officer comes in and escalates the situation beyond all rational side taking away both the shopkeeper and uh solid at and sticking them up in red hook
43:00 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like how this kind of then, in a sense, you've always sensed the Angela has been one that has looked at her uncle Hector previously and has an element of, you know,
43:17 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_03]: pride, I guess, and what he was doing, what his principles were, and so you have this moment where she's kind of forced to have to, she's forced into going to Christmic Duffy's law practice to go and talk to her, but then, um,
43:35 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_03]: You get the sense when she sees the white tiger costume and the medallion that there are other things start to fire in her mind about what she needs to do.
43:47 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of wish this was in the Black Panther universe because then we get that little
43:52 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_04]: a little drum beats as if the white tiger medallion is calling it to where you know why would you why would you go there uncle and aunt or uncle's dad around spent taken by the abtf why would you go to the to the lawyers you know you love the idea that you know in the comic books it's that the medallion is calling it to a saying come down here and start the resistance you know something like that yeah exactly but though this is a granted show so they don't show that but i think that's that i'm interpreting that's what happens that she was called there uh by the white tiger medallion
44:22 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so, equally because it was cursed in that was trying to get justice for Hector.
44:28 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, I know, along with Matt Murdoch, so that's her only hope now because she's just lost her and see, and having been sort of taken away to an unknown location for that.
44:40 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody can find her, basically.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's it.
44:46 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_04]: On that moment, let's move on to our case note number four.
44:51 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, BB, the spy, yeah.
44:55 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's trying to make the sound like Harriet the spy, but BB the spy doesn't really work the same way.
44:59 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_03]: No, maybe not.
45:00 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_03]: But I do like this whole kind of sub story between BB and Daniel.
45:07 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think in particular, you know,
45:09 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_03]: you have leaked footage of the northern star sinking and being used by BB ultimately in her counter propaganda that she's doing anonymously behind the mask.
45:23 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But because we got it revealed in this episode that she is mere fish.
45:28 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, absolutely.
45:30 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love the fact that, you know,
45:33 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_03]: it could only have come from inside the most office.
45:37 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that Sheila is basically saying to Daniel, you need to sort this out was, you know, how have they got hold of this footage?
45:44 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't have it on your laptop, did you?
45:46 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, as soon as she leaves, he's deleting it off his laptop.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's the leak?
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it inside or outside of the office?
45:56 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_03]: He's then debating whether he should or shouldn't show it to Fisk and in the end, it doesn't matter because Fisk has seen it and calls Daniel into the into his office.
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is just a really...
46:10 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I know you wanted to say, Ovala, first there, but that's not what it's not.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really powerful moment here.
46:17 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Not only do we see the former police commissioner commissioner's file and you have this whole anecdote around you know car accidents and not normally occur after it's wet because
46:33 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_03]: and the stuff on the road that you lose your grip and you don't expect it and so suddenly everything's taken out from under you and he appoints this to the things that damages other things that we are least prepared for essentially and again shows Daniel the footage on YouTube because he has already seen it and and I do like the fact that
47:01 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_03]: He's basically, Fisk does absolutely threaten him.
47:06 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_03]: He says, do you remember what I said if you ever betray me?
47:09 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's your responsibility, your the deputy mayor of communications.
47:18 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, he gives him the card from the police commissioner that was given to him by BB Orick.
47:25 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's basically, it's card with Sissy without fear and tag on it.
47:30 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just for non-comic fans, just a reminder, Daredevil's character is called Daredevil a man with it fear, so city without fear being the resistance movement tagline is really cool for the show.
47:43 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like basically bring me who did this?
47:46 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like the two questions he asks.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the first one is, do you have any idea?
47:54 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_03]: were the leak came from he says no if there anyone in this building that you feel the need to protect and he says yes you and it's like good answer that's a class response you've Daniel I don't think you would say anything else but I perfect Daniel though it is perfect Daniel and that's the thing
48:16 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_04]: he is good he is smart he's better than you expect him to be he's not some kind of idiot he knows how to play the room but he's just digging himself really deep and sometimes all the time in the future might not be able to get himself out of the hole that he's taking for himself I think oh no agreed oh agreed
48:37 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it does lead to be becoming over for dinner.
48:41 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a Daniel's place.
48:44 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Really like this confrontation from him because it shows the vulnerability of Daniel as well.
48:48 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:48 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not a bad guy here.
48:49 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not a villain that thinks he's doing the bad thing.
48:53 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_04]: He actually believes in everything that Fisk is doing and he's saying to be
48:57 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Everything's going well.
48:59 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Look what position we're both in.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the money that's rolling in for us.
49:02 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the kind of surroundings that I'm in.
49:04 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_04]: He's sitting down having a meal that he's cooked himself for her.
49:09 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm politely saying to her, if you aren't leaking anything for my office stop or we both die and all the good times stop rolling.
49:17 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Even if we don't die, everything's going smooth.
49:21 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't rock the boat because things are going to go much worse than you think they are.
49:25 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's it and I like this because he says that encounter to that BB is like you're afraid of him, yeah, if you ever heard or thought what if the rumors are true and you know, she does ultimately like she doesn't confirm that she was the leak, but she's basically saying,
49:46 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Why is this so bad for you and I mean ultimately the other thing he says is that integrity costs so he is selling out You know he the whole apartment that he has you know again.
50:01 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_03]: She's
50:02 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_03]: PB has already said you need to be careful that there's no conflict of interest in EA saying no it's all above board it's half price but it's in the trust you know all this kind of thing everything's fine because there's several steps removed from him being uh and there yeah uh or Vema I should say and so yeah I kind of like the fact here um that we see
50:30 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_03]: In a sense, Daniel trying to pressure BB in the way that he was just pressured by Fisk in his office.
50:38 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the other life, and concerned, it is his friend.
50:43 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_04]: He knows he wouldn't be in the position he's in if it wasn't for BB.
50:47 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And why a beautiful directing decision or writing decision to have him say integrity has a price as Fisk is using the same.
50:56 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_04]: fear technique on Sheila.
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, and the air is often seen.
50:59 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_04]: She's about to say he's actually using the same file on the desk showing Sheila that the person that she turned into Fisk is in their dead died in a car crash air quotes.
51:10 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, but he is showing her that he's got the file on his desk.
51:13 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_04]: He's showing her, yeah, you people know that it's a car crash that could be you in a file next week if you cross me, basically.
51:21 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_04]: But we hear no words on on
51:23 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_04]: their side.
51:24 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_04]: We hear them from Daniel in the voiceover with him saying no threat from Fisk in that side.
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, he does he does say do you want to buy it?
51:30 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very, very tense moment because it's, you know, nighttime.
51:34 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_03]: The office is really very low-listen.
51:38 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_03]: She's effectively dropping something off on his desk.
51:41 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_03]: She's the Gallo file is looking through it and then he's there in the background with his white jacket on.
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's very obvious.
51:49 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_03]: and but very tense yeah but you know he's like you did the right thing she let can I walk you out you know and she accepts it so integrity is press yeah yeah just really really um great kind of set of scenes here between Daniel
52:08 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Fisk, BB and Sheila.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ready to go.
52:11 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but this is why you watch TV shows.
52:13 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_04]: There's not all the extra characters.
52:15 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_04]: No, they're in the impacts on them from your main characters.
52:18 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_04]: This could just easily be Daredevil versus Kingpin in a boxing ring for for at a episode or for a movie but all of these extra characters have had tasks like really really loving how they're all playing together.
52:30 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Very cool.
52:30 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
52:32 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Shall we get on to case note number five?
52:38 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, our final moment is the fight at Josie's Bar, the arrival of the AVTF to Josie's Bar.
52:44 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I would have great little moment where we have Josie having a drink with mass and Karen at the now close Dan Bar in Josie's which has been there hide away for the last while.
52:56 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a knock at the door, Matt Senses that something's outside, the two of them run away, Josie goes down to the door, it turns out it's the cops that have been taken care of cherry, just to confirm they have moved him from the hospital, which we saw in the episode, but they've moved him to hospital, he's in a secure location.
53:11 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Just in case anybody might be interested in that information as the way that the police officer says to says to Josie,
53:18 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_04]: but that's not the last of us.
53:21 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_04]: The AVTF turned up pretty soon afterwards.
53:24 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_04]: We have mass and and Karen embeds chatting away talking about the resistance.
53:29 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Talking about the resistance, yeah.
53:31 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Karen's got some of
53:33 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Matt's records so they start listening to some music.
53:36 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_04]: It really feels like the resistance in World War II doesn't it feels like something that will be in a series version of a lower low.
53:42 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I know that that show comes up very often on this side of this podcast.
53:46 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I just got a think of a show like that's the top of the top of the head.
53:50 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Handmaid's Tale or um yeah
53:52 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking of, like, lay Miss Robble in some respects.
53:56 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
53:57 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking of the man with a high castle, maybe something like that.
53:59 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_03]: But it is.
54:00 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It's exactly the man in the high castle.
54:02 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely, they're talking about the resistance.
54:05 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like the fact as well that they're, again, it's a nice little contrast and into cursing of Fisk and Vanessa in bed, just after she's had the bad dream and she's kind of going.
54:16 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, do you think we can live outside of this and says fixed to her and to her question and she's like, yes, I do says Vanessa.
54:25 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that we can live outside of this.
54:28 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas Karen and Matt are talking about the resistance and all of a sudden are living it.
54:32 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And what they are trying to, you know, get away from what Vanessa wants to do to get away from which is suddenly the AVTF or surrounding Jayce's bottom.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
54:43 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it funny that Karen's asking the same question and Matt can we live anywhere else?
54:46 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_04]: like some were like Brooklyn fans, you know, it's bad living there and Wilson Fisk on the other side having the conversation Vanessa sang well, I still own that island, we could go to the island and Wilson Fisk proving how evenly is just like Anakin Skywalker says, I don't like the feeling of sound on between my toes.
55:04 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So yes, so just as as as as the Sith, who became Darth Vader.
55:10 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, I'd love to know, and I'm sorry we didn't catch this one of our wonderful fellow defenders will probably tell us what the song was That Karen was playing on the on the record player.
55:22 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that's also a call back to either Daredevil born again season one or back to Back to Daredevil Season one to three because Matt gets a smile on his face of recognition that I just didn't have well, yeah, I was like
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Like what is that sound?
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
55:36 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's the thing outside of all of that there as well, is just like the AVTF got good in town.
55:43 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, are they being trailed here?
55:45 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there someone in the midst who's effectively, you know, portraying them or keeping tabs on them because they do know where to go, you have
55:58 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Karen escaping, but Josie gets arrested by the AVTF until Daredevil saves her and kind of a nice, but violent way and tells us to kind of get out of here and
56:14 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep home running and don't look back kind of thing.
56:17 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's very much that feeling of the Gestapo knocking on the doors of every basement.
56:23 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
56:24 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Where it could easily be the fact that the police office went there and there to tell them that Cherry was safe, maybe they were investigating locations where they were.
56:33 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe one of Cherry's group is already a turn coach.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_04]: That's possible as well.
56:38 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Because again, AVTF are all former police officers or...
56:43 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_03]: That says that the Asian detective says they're out hunting.
56:48 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:48 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, absolutely, you could have followed them.
56:50 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sure.
56:51 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:52 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, we have our battle sequence in this episode.
56:55 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And Cara gets a few good licks in as well.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Then a little metal pipe.
57:01 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
57:02 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
57:03 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Herd anyway.
57:04 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It takes out the AVTF agent that's in the alleyway, where she's trying to escape.
57:12 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_04]: effectively drop spots, drop back spots that they go, that they will go to if if they don't see each other and we have Matt sitting at one of them waiting for the arrival of Karen looks like she's a little bit late.
57:24 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I like the Fisk, you Grafisey.
57:26 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic.
57:28 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah fantastic.
57:28 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They put it in postures for the characters for this season.
57:32 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_04]: My second Jessica Jones mentioned because her poster has Fisk, you, for the same stuff.
57:38 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that does, does same like Jessica Jones
57:42 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_04]: But this seems to be quite close to another location that we've seen back in Season 1 of Daredevil Born Again.
57:49 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_04]: They're very close to where Frank Castle was hiding, actually.
57:53 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's their new drops what we had Joe's Bar for the first couple of for the first episode.
57:59 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_03]: and half and there we look like we're going to Fred Castle's moving around yeah but there's a there's someone in there a little little presence a little uninvited guest at least for the devil and yes because Garen has taken one of the AVTF as hostage and the episode closes with their saying they're hunting us
58:18 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's time we start hunting them.
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58:46 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And also, we see Josie Karen and Matt all sharing whiskey from behind the counter in Josie's bar.
58:53 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Still keeping the whiskey up today, even though nobody else can get into the seat.
58:58 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she might have a problem.
59:00 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_04]: But it looks like a bottle of a bottle of bourbon, maybe something comforting or exactly.
59:03 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably how they found it, because there's this bar on the corner, it's taking in all this whiskey and barrels of beer, but it's
59:11 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's sister big clothes for months, but yeah, the whiskey's still going and maybe that's it.
59:17 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, that's our whiskey watch for the upset not seeing any labels, unfortunately.
59:21 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And I have one quote from the episode that I really wanted to have a chat about John because we did talk about this during our watch.
59:30 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Heather Glenn, when she has a little shiver from somebody watching outside, which turns out to be point-dexter.
59:40 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_04]: She says, my grandma used to say, it's like a goose walking over your grief.
59:45 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_04]: That phrase is a ghost walking over your grave as this.
59:48 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or someone I think someone's just walked over my great.
59:51 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, someone that's absolutely someone that's how I've always said it.
59:55 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not a goose.
59:58 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah, it was just it just sounds so weird because like
01:00:02 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my grandma used to say it's it's a duckling walking over your grave.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, not my grandma.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a lion walking over my grave.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So weird.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So weird.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it seems to you missed translation.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_04]: We did look it up afterwards.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And weirdly they're saying it came from Irish.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But it doesn't.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And the.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_04]: The goosewalking over your grave is a reference to having goose bumps when something odd happens.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're saying that that could have been where it all got mixed up that you have goose bumps because you're feeling of someone walking over your grave became a goosewalking over your grave.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of love that I think it speaks a little bit to the melting pot that is in New York, so many different languages, so many people speaking English as a second language, third, fifth language, in some cases.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So some of the old sayings or grandparents may have gotten funneled in really weirdly through through time.
01:00:55 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_04]: But then again, I'm also the person that thought it was, you wouldn't say, uh, but you wouldn't say, uh, but you wouldn't say, uh, but you wouldn't say, but you wouldn't say, but you wouldn't say, but you wouldn't say, but you wouldn't say, but you wouldn't say,
01:01:07 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe or maybe they're just scary part of every saying maybe it's made the goose ride before it rise before you instead of May the road rise before you I don't know.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not one for phrase For twenty goose baked in a party by maybe you see although that could be a good pie goose pie because Any other notes from you John for the episode and note that's all for me fantastic silence
01:01:32 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you defend this episode?
01:01:33 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_04]: So John, do you defend this episode?
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So, season two, episode two shoot the moon.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I do, I give this four gaggles of geese of the graves out of five.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_04]: No way.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, no, I really enjoyed this.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I think lots of tent stuff going on, whether it's with point-dexter, it feels very shadowy.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
01:01:56 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, and lots of, like,
01:02:01 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_03]: As I say, point extra lurking at the fringes, I think just the positions that Sheila Daniel BB find themselves in in terms of that Russian doll of threats coming down, I think it's just really good that the general
01:02:22 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_03]: awfulness of the AVTF, and it's great to see Angela kind of coming back to the four here despite in a tragic way, and we'll see how that goes.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I just saw this was really kind of built nicely on the the first episode.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah
01:02:41 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the stuff around Angela's Antsullidad was really hard to watch, given yes.
01:02:48 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_03]: As you say, yes, it was shot way before Minnesota and, and yes, it bothers always said that it should reflect the outside world and it's just a shame that that outside world, at least for America, is
01:03:03 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_03]: that kind of situation, of course.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And certainly for certain states or certain cities that maybe just hadn't voted the way someone in the Oval Office wanted it to go.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and
01:03:19 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: As Wilson Fisk is doing on a different scale here within this show and there is an interesting conversation where Vanessa's basically saying, how many more worlds do you need to conquer?
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a notion of, well, is New York enough for Wilson Fisk?
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Will it be the White House?
01:03:40 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Will it be something else?
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, how many worlds are there?
01:03:45 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_03]: As they kind of want to,
01:03:48 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_03]: consolidate, which is Vanessa, or expand, which you see that flash going off in Wilson Fist.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, at nine.
01:03:57 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Or is this Wilson Fist going into the multiverse and conquering every version of New York across all the multiverses?
01:04:03 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember that the animated movie that the Spider-Man cross the spiderverse had king pin going across the multiverse.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe people have this version of Wilson Fist traveling across the multiverse with Dr.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_04]: various places.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the other way around.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Fisk will be into...
01:04:22 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So Dr.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Dune.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Possibly.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say so.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Or there'd be competing against one another.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think any of neither of those two would want to be into anyone.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it would be that.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But yet, no.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I really do defend this episode of...
01:04:37 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Dark Devil.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I gave it four gaggles of geese of graves as a five.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_03]: to a goose, and Derek, on that note, do you defend this episode of Daredevil born again?
01:04:54 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Shoot the moon, or maybe the new phrases shoot the goose?
01:04:57 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Shoot the goose, maybe yeah, maybe just replace all of our words with goose, I'm sure I could do that.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I absolutely defend this episode and just because of that impending dread that I've got, you know We've mentioned a couple of really good examples of shows to do this really well things like handmaids tail Like man on the in the high castle like V the V the movie from the 80s There's hundreds of examples of this, but I love this idea of the resistance building of things going on in the street and various parts of New York where
01:05:28 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_04]: other people are coming to the same conclusions as our main characters are coming to a base kingpin.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Some on the side of kingpin, some on the side of mat, some don't even know each other, but hopefully they'll start connecting over the course of this season, but it's really cool and loving seeing that build and just seeing that.
01:05:45 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_04]: that dread, you know, can you put a foot out of place, a woman here told a teenager to not drink about the beer from, not steel, not to steel, I'm drink about the beer from a local bodega, and here she is being thrown into a van and taking away to, uh, taking away to prison effectively.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you do anything in Fisk's New York to stop yourself from getting thrown in the back of the land?
01:06:08 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, as mayor Fisk, BB's character and in the take-down videos is saying, I'm taking down vigilantes or just people that I don't like.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, love it.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Really good, really strong second episode for the show.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Very excited to see what's coming up.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But y'all, I think we need to bring our own whiskey down to Joe's bar, maybe some greenspot I think so.
01:06:33 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the Irish whiskey.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's all red breast.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think yeah, we need to wet our goose.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean wet our whistle Yes, welcome fellow defenders and of course fellow quizzes.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, too our second question for this season of Josie's
01:06:52 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Barquiz.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_04]: John, do you wholeheartedly swear this question is going to be more difficult than last week's question?
01:07:00 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is not the main of the episode.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's put it that way.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Good stuff.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Question two from episode two.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:10 [SPEAKER_03]: in season two.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_03]: What does Daniel Cook, BB or Rick for their working dinner?
01:07:16 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Very good.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Very good.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_04]: With the help of a recipe.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Boss, what is it?
01:07:21 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, John, I'm going to give the question one more time.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_03]: What does Daniel Cook, BB or Rick for their working dinner?
01:07:28 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the second question.
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01:08:41 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll back next time with the second episode released this week of Daredevil Board again, see the two episode three, the scales, and the sword, and of course the next question in our Josie's bar quiz, thanks so much for joining us, Tati, and next time.
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01:09:45 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that is on that moment.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to our case note number four.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Get it, get it, get it.
01:09:51 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not the right one.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to our case note number four.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Get it, get it, get it, get it.