It's time to meet the parents in The Sandman 207 "Time and Night" as Morpheus tries to escape his fate after spilling family blood. We chat all about it in spoiler filled detail in our latest podcast.
The Sandman 207 "Time and Night" Spoilers
Episode teleplay by Vanessa Benton
Episode directed by Jamie Childs
Synopsis: Morpheus visits Destiny and then The Kindly Ones, but they cannot help him escape his fate, and so Morpheus visits Loki and Puck, now a couple, and calls in his favour for saving Loki. Later after the Dream Lord has left, Puck suggests privately to Loki to do what Morpheus wants, but not when Morpheus wants it to be done, thereby causing more chaos.
After returning to The Dreaming, Morpheus reveals that Lyta Hall's son Daniel will be his successor as the new dream lord. Morpheus then visits his parents, Time and Night, but they cannot help him either.
Back in The Dreaming, Cluracan tries to return Nuala to Faerie at Titania's orders, though Nuala resists. Morpheus persuades her to go back to Faerie for her safety, though before leaving, he gives her a necklace which will summon him any time she calls him.
Meanwhile, Lyta and Rose visit Unity's home in London, where a disguised Puck works as the butler.That evening, while Rose and Lyta are at dinner in London, Puck puts everyone at their home to sleep, kidnaps Daniel and takes him to Loki.
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00:00 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_05]: This is the Sandman podcast on TV podcast industries, and we're discussing the Sandman season 2 episode 7, Time and Night.
00:09 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: In the beginning was time.
00:13 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The relentless beat in which things could happen.
00:21 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: In which everything could become matter could exist.
00:31 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In that coming together, the universe was possible.
00:41 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: All versions of it.
00:43 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They exist as he wishes it.
00:47 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Such as the nature of time in his realm.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Well?
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, father.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want?
01:05 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You only come here if you want something.
01:08 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Go to the side and call it by his father with no motive but to wish him well.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you can.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's never happens.
01:35 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back fellow dreamers to the Sandman podcast on TV podcast industries.
01:41 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_05]: We're here to discuss the Sandman season two episode seven time and night I am one of your timely hosts John.
01:50 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I am your nightly host during I guess Feels like nightly at sometimes.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We podcast a lot.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I am time.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You are tired.
01:59 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: and space.
02:01 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_05]: If I'd probably be space because I'm a photographer.
02:04 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
02:06 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And put welcome back for the dreamers to the seventh episode of the Sunman Season 2.
02:11 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, indeed.
02:13 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
02:13 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_05]: And we left the dream Lord.
02:19 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess crying and back in the dreaming in morning for the death of his son at his own hands and also the onward journey and saying goodbye to his brother destruction
02:35 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So, indeed, he has lost his recent company in his little sister delirium.
02:42 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yes, he's suddenly back needing to focus is our old dream Lord Morpheus.
02:50 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's nothing like a good or death threat that will focus the mind, I guess.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, absolutely.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_05]: From the old fate.
02:59 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, um, really interesting kind of episodes here, sort of, I mean, I kind of view it is, oh, I'm panicking now, I'm panicking now, right?
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Must go to Destiny.
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, can you get me out of this?
03:12 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's like, well, let's just kind of put my head into the lines, mouth, and then you can let me off.
03:20 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And then finally it's like, oh, well, I'm going to have to go to Mormon Dad.
03:23 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_05]: For some kind of hand me out that will get me off all of this issue.
03:29 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of I really enjoyed this sort of adolescent type episode of dream yes, and but just before we get into our spoiler filled discussion fellow dreamers It's just a quick reminder if you're just picking us up at the moment Please head on and subscribe to the podcast over at TV podcast industry's calm where you can subscribe on any
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04:38 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Derek, what are some of the episode details?
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm all the executives of the show.
04:42 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, our Alan Humberg, Jamie Charles, I'm David S. Gore, the teleplay for this episode was written by Vanessa Benton.
04:47 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: She was a staff writer in the series and previously worked on how to get away with murder as well, which is interesting.
04:54 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So you were a fan of how to get away with Merjana and you watched a couple of seasons of that?
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I did.
04:59 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
05:00 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you like a good old sophomore murder kind of situation?
05:04 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
05:04 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Going on?
05:05 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Like scream queens?
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the first season of scream.
05:09 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
05:10 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And that seemed very different from how to get away with Merjana.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_05]: But it is still sophomore-esque.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You like a good comedy murder show for the most part.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Like only murders in the building.
05:20 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that is good fun.
05:22 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
05:25 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Bush, that's wherever it has a bit in game from the writer, this episode, and the episode of Draxible's again by Jamie Childs.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: John, would you like to tell us this synopsis for?
05:34 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The Sandman Season 2 episode 7 time and night.
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
05:38 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Morphist visits destiny and then the kindly ones, but they cannot help him escape his fate.
05:45 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_05]: So Morphist visits Loki and Puck, now a couple, and calls in his favour for saving Loki.
05:51 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Later after that, the dream lord has left Puck suggests privately to Loki to do what Morphist wants, but not when Morphist wants it to be done.
06:03 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_05]: After returning to the dreaming, Morpheus reveals that lighter horse son Daniel will be his successor as the new dream lord.
06:11 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Morpheus then visits his parents' time and night, but they too cannot help him either.
06:18 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Back in the dreaming,
06:19 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Clarikan tries to return Nula to Fairy at Titanus orders, though Nula resists, Morphius persuades her to go back to Fairy for her safety.
06:29 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Though before leaving, he gives her a necklace which will summon him anytime she calls him.
06:35 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Meanwhile, lighter and rose visit Unity's home in London, where it disguised Puck works as the Butler.
06:42 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_05]: That evening, while rose and lighter at dinner in London, Puck puts everyone at their home to sleep.
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Kidnapped Daniel and takes him to Loki.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I know a bit, Kidnapping.
06:53 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Child, child, that bit.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Child, that bit.
06:54 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Child, that bit.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Child, that bit.
06:55 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Child, that bit.
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And not the sleeping kind.
06:59 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm taking an hour.
07:01 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
07:02 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, everyone likes when children sleep not when they get kidnapped.
07:06 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's right, but the return of book and the return of a of Loki.
07:11 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I liked this.
07:12 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I liked the return of poke.
07:14 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I always
07:15 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_05]: kind of thought Loki would be returning on the basis of the episode where effectively Morpheus binds Loki to him after Loki tries to get out of spending the rest of eternity in Odin's prison but ultimately I wasn't expecting Puck but I liked the fact that Loki and Puck are shacked up together
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's kind of an interesting couple.
07:41 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I also love how mischievous there, you know, you've got the god of mischief, basically, with Loki and you've got the mischievous goblin from the Ladder Fairies.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hobgoblin.
07:49 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, whether two of them have joined together and their introduction is on the TV on basically on Sky News or Fox News, where they're announcing that the Pope is welcoming women into the priesthood.
07:59 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: and he and his main cardinal Visconti have been replaced by book and by Loki, so they can really play or jay, just love the idea that the biggest prank they can play on the entire planet is to have the Catholic Church actually bring women into it.
08:15 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just hilarious that this would be this would be there at their big prank.
08:20 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, great little niggling of the Catholic Church.
08:29 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I can't, I just say it as an atheist, it's just very well done that there's just a little reminder that, you know, there's no female priests, you know, we'll never get a female pope anytime soon.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's all hay, nonny, nonny still.
08:45 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think, yeah, it's just that nice little moment of
08:50 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: politics being brought here and just fleeceingly and then off it topples just a two and it's not politics it's just criticism but it's not a yes that's exactly exactly but let's start with our top moments from the episode let's start with Morpheus making his plans as he's trying to deal with the fact that the kindly ones are now effectively placed him in their crossers because he's built a family bloat you mentioned a little bit already but but yes this
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Now Morpheus has kind of gotten through his morning period.
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He tries to reach it to all of the places that he can possibly get some help.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, he knew this is going to happen.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: This is foretold.
09:28 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he knows if he kills a member of the endless member of any connection to the family that he is, he has to be killed.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So he knows it's going to happen.
09:37 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's trying to work out as there are way around different destiny and destiny's responses.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: No thing is unexpected.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, uh, but
09:46 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He's effectively told that this is now face rather than destiny, so he cannot see any more pages in the book of Morphias.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, I thought it was good.
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean...
09:55 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I weirdly kind of just thought at least this first part was almost like a guy rich in movie.
10:00 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he's done something and now he has to try and get out of it.
10:04 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_05]: He's going around all the bigger fish in the pond.
10:08 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_05]: He was big brother then actually onto the people that do want his heads, you know, and facing up to them and then in the end he's got to call in a favor.
10:17 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just just felt very lock stock and too smoking barrel like this.
10:23 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Really well done.
10:24 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like the fact that destiny also goes well, you know, I did tell you not to kill killer or Seriously, I did tell you and that's why I wasn't going to give you the information about where where he was because I knew if I did Then you'd go ahead and do this and then you die and that was the destiny nothing is unexpected here Right?
10:39 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: No, exactly.
10:40 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I do like the writing here And I don't know whether it's direct from the comics, but I love it when and
10:47 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Destiny says Destiny is determined by one's actions.
10:51 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the pages are currently empty, but what if I'm fated to die asks more fierce and he goes, then that is a matter for the fate.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I just like, just,
11:02 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_05]: providing that distinction, so it ultimately, you know, his big brother is saying, well, your death is not yet written.
11:10 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And you have many sort of roots and pathways and choices to make and to get to that death.
11:19 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And it may not even be related to this.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It could be who knows.
11:23 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_05]: And but if you are fated to that, I will then
11:27 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_05]: That is a matter for the fates, the furies, or as they call them, the county ones, and then we get to see the dream king visiting the fates effectively to plead for the lives of those that I serve, become very, very humble.
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, but they kind of, your crime will be
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Death, um, which is a great, again, just really good writing.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I just love it.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It's wayty.
12:01 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of, like, to me, it just feels like modern Shakespeare.
12:05 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I really, really enjoy it.
12:06 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
12:07 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that the kindly ones of actually sound, tell him that, um, they will not be the ones to kill them until somebody calls upon them to end us, both the list of the Morpheus's enemies are end us, as they say.
12:20 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So he may not be endless anymore, but the list of
12:24 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But I did want to call that just one tiny thing just because you mentioned it about Destiny talking about the paths that he can't see because he can only see Destiny, he may not be able to see face, he can't see exactly what's happened to Morpheus in the future.
12:37 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a little call back there to what Delirium almost threatened Destiny with in the past that she can see some of the pathways that Destiny can't see because he's so focused on that.
12:48 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not linear pathway but the specific pathway of destiny and she's not focused on what destiny brings to a person.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I understand that.
12:56 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Delirium, the guide's a person too.
12:58 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
12:59 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I think yeah, she says not all paths are linear and I do kind of really like that.
13:06 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's such a, again, a good aspect of saying not everything is faces.
13:12 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
13:12 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_05]: You might look down the road and see that you're going to come to such and such but then
13:18 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_05]: and I get that whisked off by something else and like Dorothy suddenly finds herself not in Kansas but in the land of us.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We're still in the land of Hals.
13:29 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I could be what happens.
13:32 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what I want to do and talking about.
13:34 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think then it gets even more desperate for more fierce because who then does he have to turn to but it is
13:43 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_05]: the Lord Jester, the chief trickster, Loki, that he must go to.
13:50 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And as you say, who's currently disguised as the Pope with, put as his right hand, cardinal.
13:59 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm just like, okay, then you know you're in trouble when you're having to start calling in favors from the tricksters of this
14:11 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_05]: And as it transpires hugely and potentially unreliable, you know, solid rock, they are not.
14:21 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_05]: You're building your escape plan on foundations of sand.
14:25 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it is here.
14:26 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a lot of obvious.
14:27 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, we do get that.
14:29 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_05]: So I do like just how...
14:34 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Morpheus has to scramble here a bit throughout this initial part of this episode.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
14:43 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just a grace, a great idea.
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, have the return of those two characters, Loki and Pokemon water they're going to do with this information.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: What are they going to do about it?
14:52 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Loki saying that he doesn't like being trapped like this.
14:57 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be free and the response from from poke is well, you're free to mess
15:04 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can still mess with him and give him what he wants but not when he wants is I mean, and he actually says we could always set the kindly ones on him ourselves So like you know, there's a little bit of a jacket edge here.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, really from from Puck
15:23 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_05]: and he truly is the McEvellian, and with a bit of a sting potentially.
15:28 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of, yeah, this was just really, really just the progression of Morpheus's desperation with the people that he goes to, and ultimately then coming back to mommy and daddy has the kid.
15:47 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like,
15:48 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Help me, mommy, help me, don't you know, in that sense, but coming up against the, you know, the absolute asks that it's his parents.
15:57 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely, you know, he starts with time, um, who turns out is the the father of the endless, um, oh, this guy just cracks me up, um, just his conversation with him, where this is time.
16:10 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the, the, the one thing that, um,
16:15 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: he has his time and the first thing he says to more of his when he arrives is time always has his time wasted by his children.
16:23 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely, but it's also you think because I'm called time that I have time to waste and I don't I do like the fact as well it's you know they are
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Who writes the laws?
16:41 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Who writes the laws that the fates will do this for spilling blood in it?
16:45 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_05]: New, actually.
16:45 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's basically almost like saying, okay, we'll get the judge to rewrite the law.
16:51 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
16:53 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: If the law is against us, let's go and just have those laws rewritten.
16:57 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Just some great lines from time, though, where he's saying children are the inconvenient cost of love.
17:02 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You spilled family blood because you were weak and you expected me to be as weak with you as you were with your son and let you off I do not love you dream, but do you love me and that weak that you would love me kind of thing?
17:15 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Just oh, just I really harsh conversation and it feels like actually I'm not sure whether you went to time to Get a solution to this.
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you went to time to find a way to his mother
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: almost to find his way to life.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was kind of it because this guy would never help him.
17:34 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he even speaks to him a base, you know, again, you're talking about the personification of time here, he even says to him, how could I help you?
17:41 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Could I send you back?
17:44 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: back in time to that time when Orfius asks you, ask you to stand in front of Hades, would you do that if I sent you back then, though you wouldn't, of course you wouldn't, so I will give you the piece of knowing that there is an absolutely nothing you could have done, your death has come in Destiny's book, has an ending and so do you?
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks dad.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_05]: and what a great great dad.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it's such an estranged loveless relationship with his father.
18:10 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean even though dream is like saying a child cannot help but love their father.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I learnt that from my son.
18:17 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, but he's like straight by hand, you could not save your son.
18:23 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you cannot save yourself now.
18:26 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
18:27 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just...
18:29 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, like, I mean, so brutal and I guess, you know, that's...
18:39 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of like the gods, isn't it?
18:41 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it is.
18:42 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Whether it's zoos or Jupiter or even, I guess, royalty, this notion of that, estranged, fairly loveless, functional relationships.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, even royalty, it's like, well, okay, you're going to succeed me.
18:55 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so therefore, I'm going to tell you how to cut your bow before I do anything else.
19:02 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, you must know,
19:04 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_05]: The machinations of the state and you'll roll in it before and I don't know Playing with Toys yeah, I don't know yeah, it's just really interesting I like it all there.
19:20 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all there in times performance and just these just these few mostly get to me time and you know the fact that there is that change again I think it's a big story He's saying to him
19:30 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: My new you wouldn't help, so I came here to say thank you for everything, and you're like, did you, though?
19:36 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you think you might be able to help?
19:38 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you did think that he would be able to put you back in time and make a different change, but no, he was on this course.
19:44 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This was face to happen.
19:46 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He was always going to be the one to end off his life.
19:49 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I was always going to be face to die.
19:51 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
19:51 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And ultimately, yeah, I mean, and then as you say, he goes to his mother and you suddenly realize that this family is probably the most passive aggressive family.
20:03 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Ever.
20:04 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I really do like her.
20:08 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_05]: like you have, I think she says sort of by the end.
20:11 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you want to blame me for how you turned out, then do so.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_05]: It's my final gift to you and you're just like, oh, wow.
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But she also has a go with the rest of the family as well.
20:26 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_02]: She says, Desi becomes talks, delirium skulks around sometimes, but I have no idea what she wants.
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And then saying to Dream, did you think reintroducing me to your father would have fixed everything?
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you thought was going to happen here that if you reintroduced me?
20:41 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: nice to your father time that everything would be fine again, note and then says that she can effectively build a corner of her realm of the endless nice to keep him safe and he would be there forever in a little corner of her space.
20:57 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's so mini realm and he's like
21:01 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_05]: you know, he declines her offer of help here and is like, she's mightily affronted by it.
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_05]: So the blame me, the fight, whatever.
21:10 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just so destructive.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
21:14 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but one, though, things captured really, really well by and these three actors and the writing and again, it's just that desperation, ultimately,
21:27 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_05]: The Lord of Dreams is kind of left empty handed after all that he's done and literally the only thing.
21:38 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_05]: is really then trying to secure his succession with his son Daniel Hall, and that is ultimately through, as well, through Loki and Puck, and but they have their machinations that are working
21:58 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_05]: against him as well, and so I kind of like the fact then that, you know, we're reintroduced Daniel Hall here with, and his mom, lighter hall, have a nice
22:11 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_05]: and Miss Walker as well as they go to the mansion that we've seen previously.
22:16 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, this has kind of been bequeathed to Rose Walker.
22:21 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's kind of a nice little sort of full circle moment to do a bit as well, I think.
22:27 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely, yeah, which is nice from season one.
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly, exactly, bring about those characters from the first season of the show.
22:33 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, something that was often done in San Man, you'd have a character,
22:39 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_02]: 20, 30, 40 issues and come back and perform a very pivotal role here, you know, the fact that we've only seen Daniel, the baby, we've heard about him in season one, we've met him once when when we saw Morfius pay a visit to him and now here he is and effectively Morfius is proclaiming to the rest of the dreaming that this child will be his successor in the future, you know, this is quite a big game
23:06 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Job, they'd be taking on the future, right?
23:09 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
23:10 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we move on from to that final kind of section of the episode, I do want to mention just that when he returns to the Dreaming, he's effectively saying it's in, well, his parents didn't really help.
23:21 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Lucien's asking about his parents' visits and they said, well, they gave me life and that's probably all I deserve.
23:28 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that's it.
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So if he is,
23:30 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_02]: closing down the realm of the dreaming so that he can prepare it for Daniel taking over in future something he didn't get the chance to do when he was kidnapped before the first season began let's say and so he is sending people off he sending Nula off home with her brother clericon and he's batting down the hatches let's say before.
23:51 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah absolutely.
23:52 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
23:53 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I do like the fact that the wind dream does go back to the dreaming and he's with Luciana I think there's a real nice moment though, you know when he's saying well his parents haven't helped at all And Lucian kind of again.
24:05 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I think just really empathetic, but she you know She's listening to him.
24:09 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_05]: She's hearing what he's saying and she just goes well There are actually parents that will actually love their children and we'll do anything for
24:18 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_05]: and it's just it's kind of that bonding, it's that connection between these two, you know, and obviously you know comes back at two her to say, as you Lucien have done for me, you know, that you've taken care of me, you've looked after me, you've loved me in that way.
24:37 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I was just a really nice moment between these two, I think.
24:40 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there was always a little thing in the comic with Lucien in the comic, who was the librarian.
24:48 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And you always had that feeling that it was, you know, the management director of the company and their personal assistant and the PA was the one that ran everything.
24:56 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of the relationship they had in the comic, where Dream Wall stood out and went to all the different realms doing his admissions and then he'd come back and Lucien would have just maintained
25:07 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And here it's almost because it's in such a short time frame.
25:11 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You do feel that this version of Morphians and the TV show is much more appreciative of Lucy and what she's doing for him while he's away.
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do like that she does get at least a thank you, I have them.
25:20 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I took probably 60 or 70 issues for the Morphians in the comic books to actually thank Lucy for that.
25:28 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's quite nice to have that, they'll see between the two of them.
25:32 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And but as you say,
25:35 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: book and Loki, that's our last point book, and Loki are messing about with their own destinies, not wanting to just wait around for the coal from Morpheus to sort of everything out.
25:48 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to mess with his plans and kidnap Daniel.
25:54 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Pock goes to the house while lighter and rose go it to dinner in London.
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_05]: It takes the form of Simon the valet.
26:03 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and plays with the plays with Daniel and plays with everybody in the house for a little while and then suddenly puts them all to sleep and takes Daniel away while the while lighter and rose are away or action tape.
26:16 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely, and they kidnap her, and so Daniel Hall, the successor for dream, the one thing that maybe he could put in place so that the dreaming is functional, and other than Lucy Anne, is now in the hands of Puck and Loki, as his parents are out for dinner.
26:41 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, interestingly, they bump into,
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not entirely sure why.
26:46 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It feels very deliberate and specific, but I have absolutely no kind of pre-reason for it.
26:59 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
27:01 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Even though we've seen it before.
27:02 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We have.
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We have.
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Has he is another of the characters who walks the earth?
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with that a death date, I guess.
27:11 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And would be the way I describe her.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So she popped up before this is her as is the next time she pops up.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I suspect we'll see her back before the season ends.
27:21 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just just keep her hand in.
27:23 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_02]: She's kind of cool to see Madhati appearing here.
27:29 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: again massively condensed the story for the comic books to the tv show so there are some characters that aren't getting arcs that they got or will get arcs later on in the season and they might be joining those together so um so it's lovely just to have a little moment where
27:46 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And iconic character like Madhati is meeting Hippelizer Hall, who's the mother of the future Lord of Dreams, Andro's Walker, who was the vortex of dreams back in season one before that pair was taken away and she was saved.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just nice to have these three characters on screen together for a little moment.
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
28:06 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so you might just be for that reason.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep an eye out for Madhati.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You won't miss her next time as well.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_02]: My promise.
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent stuff.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, that's it, really.
28:16 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_05]: We're kind of left there.
28:17 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the only other aspect of it is, as you say, you know, you've had dream kind of preparing his allies, you know, you've got fiddlers, green, pumpkin, hair, Matthew, Lucienne, you know, Newler, all sort of how to defend the dreaming, you know, walls, armies, weapons of varying sorts.
28:39 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And as you say, in the end, you have Newler sort of being
28:44 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_05]: taken back to the land of Ferry by Clurrican.
28:51 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know you have this moment at the end where you know in a sense he's saying goodbye to Tuneula.
28:58 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_05]: You know Gilbert gives a book to her where his dream gives her this necklace.
29:04 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_05]: But he's effectively sending her away against her will just
29:11 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_05]: a safe life pedula in the dreaming, or for that matter, any of them while they're in the dreaming.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And so it feels like everything's on a cusp here.
29:25 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
29:25 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_05]: With everyone being sent away and the future of the dreaming effectively now in the hands of the trickster and the McEvelli and Hobgop, that they don't say, yeah, it's kind of an intriguing end.
29:41 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_05]: to this episode.
29:42 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: As we say, we're on the Ebon Flow of Netflix delivering these stories, we're on that brand new wave has begun to a new arc, where we're setting up what's happening for the next three episodes, or maybe four.
29:53 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going this in this case, but the arc here beginning with...
29:58 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess Morph is unable to get himself out of the situation that he's got himself into, and the one way out that he thought he had, which was having the future Lord of Dreams, ready to go, has now been kidnapped by the fixtures, so yeah, not a great situation to be in.
30:22 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_05]: No, nothing from me, really.
30:24 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's all kind of there, actually.
30:28 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to mention, just to be talked about Newlet just to mention, she does talk about the fact that she was the leader of the armies for Ferry.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And she wants to create an armed force added to...
30:39 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Protect the dreaming from the what she believes is going to be the oncoming onslaught Um, well, I do like the fact that she was using a bow and arrow and then pump can It brings out machine gun absolutely and an RPG And it's quite important to my outer side good old of my wife I'm going to head always there with the weapons and great stuff.
30:59 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So overall John wanted to think of this episode episode seven at time and night
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Again, I really enjoyed this episode.
31:05 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Give it four dreamy RPGs out of five and I did just like the whole sort of guy richy elements in this a bit really like that.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know whether it intended to do it in that way.
31:19 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just the way it kind of conceived in my head as I was watching it.
31:23 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like,
31:24 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I've done something really stupid, now I've got to try and get myself out of this, and increasingly having to go to the source of the issue, and then it's like, well, what if we re-rise it, but it's watertight, and I did just like it, and I think all the different relationships, you know?
31:40 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wonder if it's less about work on the Netflix series from Guy Richie, the gentleman.
31:48 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe yeah, yeah, but then again her previous show was had to get away with murder, and that's basically what more This is trying to do This episode, so I just really really enjoyed this episode give it four dreamy RPGs out of five fantastic fantastic great stuff.
32:04 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's get on some feedback from our wonderful fellow dreamers John
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
32:09 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_05]: First up, we have an email from Coffee and vodka, he says, greetings, fellow abducted defenders.
32:16 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Just when you think they've streamlined out almost all of the sported cast, Lankon's Lyser, Rose and Mad Hettie.
32:24 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_05]: We've even got non-source material characters, like time, night, and resurrected Gilbert.
32:30 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Most of these due to the machinations of Loki and Puck are there to provide more rope for dream to be hanged with, but it's still nice to see them.
32:38 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_05]: In the mix of all the acting talent, including Favorites, Patternals, Walt, and Barcammel, it's easy to take for granted, Tom Sturage and Vivian, Achem Pong,
32:51 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_05]: their pseudo mother son bonding moment was golden after the treatment he'd received from his actual parents.
32:59 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Every time it looked as though they had strayed far from the books, they managed to loop it right back on track, which makes me hopeful we'll see the worlds end in.
33:07 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of hope,
33:08 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Hope you're enjoying the sure fit of wonderful content, including Eyes of Wakanda, which looks fantastic.
33:16 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Four and a half, die-dactic daddy's moonlit mummies and fateful sisters out of five.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Peace and take care, coffee and vodka.
33:25 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Great stuff, coffee and vodka.
33:28 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really looking forward to seeing, and I hope it will be there.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_05]: the worlds end in.
33:33 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of like that notion and also because it's kind of like the name of the last probe that features in the the final movie of the Kornetto trilogy with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, so I like the concept of that.
33:52 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a bit like there's pub signs It's like the the green man and as well, which is always a bit weas when you see the green man You know, I go oh, and what that's about actually just across from the traffic lights.
34:04 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all it is
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the stuff.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Gaffy and Valkyre for your thoughts out there.
34:09 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we definitely as you know now and we were enjoying the massive amount of content and massive amount of shows and movies that were all coming out around the time when Sandman landed.
34:20 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We're about to go into another hectic period of shows that we cover here.
34:23 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Gen V, the Season 2 of the Boy Spinoff coming up later on in the month.
34:28 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_02]: of September, we've also got the rest of Alien Earth to go, and we've got the return of Marvel Zombies from the Quartiff animated show from Marvel as well as lots and lots of stuff, and that's just in September.
34:41 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so there's no slow and down on the surface of combat.
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Loads of stuff coming up there.
34:48 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm totally with you as well, coffee and vodka on Dream and Lissians and more of a sun bonding moment, and I think you're right, you know, just a contrast
34:58 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_05]: with the passive aggressive treatment and just lately blunt awful parental treatment he receives at the hands of his actual parents is just such a nice moment in this episode.
35:15 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard not to just call out the actors every week and say how great they are with the Vivian Archipong has just been fantastic since the beginning of the show a
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: and Tom Sturge, great every week too.
35:27 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, thanks so much for your thoughts, their coffee bucket.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, thanks coffee and vodka.
35:33 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Over on Facebook, Dr. Bob Phillips says two tricks you should not shack up together.
35:37 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: There will be blood and if you steal the bay but the pair is a voodoo, then they'll bring the wrath of his sister.
35:42 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, auntie and mom in this case I reckon there was definitely a touch of bowie about Loki and that last scene wasn't there.
35:49 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you had the same pants that Bowie was wearing in Labyrinth, but yes, a similar kind of style.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's definitely a great thing.
35:57 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely got Bowie, even a bit of Johnny Rotten going on there.
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
36:04 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Bowie continues watching Dream Turn Up, made me remember ancient traditions I've heard of.
36:08 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Ferris, dried friars, and wine skins are the traditional gifts that one takes to folks in Lancashire, aren't they, John?
36:16 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never done that for with Jons at my in-laws.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I do like it once, Ferris.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_05]: If anyone ever wants to get me a good presence, I'm a Ferris.
36:26 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Bring me a Ferris.
36:27 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I think at this stage, I've got quite the Menagerie of Ferris down my pants as his tradition.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wait.
36:35 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've certainly brought actual flares, and I've certainly brought wine.
36:39 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You have never added a ferret to that mix of gifts.
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe an Ackles cake and a Lancashire hot pot at home.
36:46 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, in the same way, if you went to Yorkshire, take a bit of park in a bit of custard pie and a Yorkshire pudding.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and some brand-out.
36:57 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, some ale, I guess.
36:59 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_05]: You can bring ale any direction.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know put the wine skin over and over in Lancashire.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is weird.
37:06 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess Lancashire's the more barbaric side.
37:10 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_05]: York was York was populated by the Romans much sooner.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I see.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going back to the war of the roses, but not just yet.
37:17 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much, Dr. Poppy.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Dr. Bob.
37:22 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: At finally Paul Tetrily says, interesting use of makeup and storytelling, starting with Dream, in Destiny's Garden, you can see that he has bags under his eyes.
37:29 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the shots in the haste, the kindly one, says facial hairline, seems to be emphasised just a bit to give a shadow to the lower part of his face.
37:36 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he isn't as pale as he has been, even as recently as episode 6.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a really interesting catch, though.
37:41 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can definitely see that Dream is starting to kind of spiral a little bit, as he's grasping at all the straws to get himself out of this situation, using makeup to kind of
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: show that.
37:50 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's a great way of doing it and just probably with the lighting as well.
37:56 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great way of sort of helping the story telling along as well.
38:03 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that whole production side of it, the Cosmetics, the costume, you know, it's all really good.
38:09 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And I guess it just feeds nicely into how acts as, you know, it's kind of...
38:14 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I know that probably loads of acts of all kill me for saying this, but it is that notion of dressing up, you know, getting into that outfit and feeling part of it.
38:25 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_05]: It adds to that sense of your character that you're going to be.
38:30 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any actor worth assault would say that they are the sole creation of what their performance is, the costuming the makeup, the lighting, the direction, the writing, they're all part of the creation of the character and yeah, here using makeup is really really adds to it definitely definitely.
38:49 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And, Paul continues, I don't remember time and knife in the main comics, one may be in one of the trades that came in in 2010s, but love having refusual show up as the father of the endless.
38:59 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's somewhat up-saccharacter to his former U.S.
39:01 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: ambassador husband of current U.S.
39:03 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: ambassador in the diplomat, also an Netflix show.
39:06 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we get, we now get a glimpse into the generational trauma of the endless.
39:10 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_02]: This just makes delirium situation even sadder.
39:14 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It really does, especially when Mother Nights is saying she arrives and wants to say a low, but I don't really know what she's talking about, but she's like, you're a great mom.
39:25 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
39:27 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it is just really well done by these two actors.
39:33 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_05]: portraying such kind of, in essence, it was just a big up all the time, and it's so well done.
39:41 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't seen the death match with Rufus Sewell.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I have to try that out.
39:46 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I like him as an actor though.
39:47 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I've liked all the other stuff that I've seen him in in the past.
39:51 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Pock continues up poor Nula, and we finally got Pock being a bit of a bastard.
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember him teaming up at lowkeep, but the details of the plot has gone from my head.
40:00 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll not try to cram read 20 plus issues to catch up, but watch the show and see how they choose to adapt the story instead.
40:06 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Fiddler's green, using a machine gun, would have been a sight, has no one thought to put Stephen Fry into a taken or nobody fresh.
40:15 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
40:15 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Stephen Fry would go for that.
40:17 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Although he was in the action pack to be for Vendetta, but in a role that didn't require much shooting guns for him at least.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.
40:27 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But he is great.
40:27 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it is kind of cool to see him back in this episode as well.
40:32 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think for me as well, Paul, that's a pretty good idea not to try and cram in 20 obvious issues of the salmon, what I actually did do is I read death high cost living and all the death comics, just coming in because I knew this last arc was going to feature.
40:48 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_02]: storyline in the extra episode of the end, I want to refresh my memory of that one, but I haven't come back to pick out the individual issues of the sunman that we're covering in this arc, but I'm definitely going to be reading them again, and the show is really sparked my interest in the comics again, and I have them all filmed as well.
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I better start reading them as well.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll read them to your job right there you go.
41:09 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, at least I'll hold up the book or you read it It's very heavy to imagine before Yes, I must I must purchase it.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's in off Amazon.
41:17 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Great stuff.
41:20 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for
41:21 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah thanks so much Paul and thanks to everyone for your thoughts and comments about this episode of Sandman, time and night as well as the types of presents I wouldn't mind receiving from our fellow dreamers please don't post any favorites or anything.
41:38 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't post any favorites, but a bit of blood pudding and sonacles cake will be very well and greatly received along with
41:50 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Keep your drive flowers and your fairness to yourself.
41:54 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
41:54 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
41:57 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But, like you so much for the audience, we'll be back next time for the 8th episode of Season 2 of the Sandman, fuel for the fire.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking at next time.
42:05 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Indeed, yes.
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Who's gonna light up Episode 8?
42:11 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But until then, keep watching, keep listening, and of course, fellow gamers.
42:16 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Keep dreaming.
42:17 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Bye.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Bye.