Lanterns Episode 7 Review

[00:00:00] This is Lanterns: from TV Podcast Industries. We are chatting about the penultimate episode of Lanterns Episode 7, The Jordan Boys Legacy.

[00:00:37] Hello and welcome to Lanterns, please.

[00:01:18] And filling in for a very special John, I am Chris. He is a very special guy. He is very special. He's just not here with us. he was bitten by snakes fearful snakes he was going across a lake and yeah he fell in and there was no HAL construct, HAL clone to save him. No there wasn't John's just away for work this week and we know that next week we're going to be recording a little bit earlier than

[00:01:47] usual and Chris won't be able to join us for that one so we decided we'll switch it up we'll have myself and Chris on this one, myself and John recorded our thoughts on Avengers Endgame Encore in the cinema this week as well so I've been on two podcasts this week and one for each of the guys and then John will be back next week for the finale of Lanterns. Ah it's going to be good. Not too bad and then of course we'll have our final wrap up episode where hopefully we'll get all three of us together to talk about our thoughts on Lanterns and of course to announce

[00:02:17] the winner of our Rushville Redneck Pub Quiz Yes and just because you win doesn't mean you're a redneck just means you're really you're really good at guessing what a redneck would think Yeah okay it's just it's a bit of pub quiz Chris it doesn't mean you like to go to the pub and take part in quizzes speaking of which the seventh question will be available later on in this episode for the pub quiz if you have missed any of the questions you can pop on over to our website at

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[00:03:14] podcast player and even yellow if you like Sinestro but you can also send us your thoughts by sending an email to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com absolutely but without further ado I think we need to get into our chat all about the seventh episode of Lanterns showrunners for the show of course are Chris Mundy Damon Lindelof and Tom King who we've mentioned throughout the series two of those showrunners Damon Lindelof and Tom King are the writers for this episode as well

[00:03:42] so a bit of a touch from an alumnus of HBO DC with Damon Lindelof the former head writer on Watchmen and Tom King a DC writer a DC writer so this is a bit more comic focused a little bit more comic focused I think I think so and I think also it is going it is setting the groundwork for where the Lantern themed DC

[00:04:11] part of the DCU will kind of go interesting so I think that's why those two have been picked or peaked for this well yes that are their showrunners so they get to choose what episodes they want to go on to themselves I guess nobody's going to stop them huh no well you Glenn could but uh maybe I don't think he would no I don't think he would I don't think he would Chris Mundy might have had something to say about it if he didn't want them doing it because he's the other showrunner but the episodes

[00:04:40] this time was directed by Alec Sakharov we've mentioned Alec a couple of times he was he's directed four episodes of Game of Thrones in season two three and four epic director directed loads and loads of TV including three episodes from the first season of The Witcher which we covered here I think he directed the first two episodes of The Witcher which got so much acclaim that show has continued on for four seasons with a fifth one hopefully since it's fully filmed going to appear at some point over the next year or two it would be not sufficient to have that final season

[00:05:10] actually air since we know it's been filmed yeah it's one of those ones it's like it's like Coyote vs. Acme it's like we know it's there can you just can you show us no no no okay you know they're just gonna like it's gonna be some random Thursday and it's out all the episodes yeah but they already did that with the Liam Hemsworth starring season four of The Witcher and they have this fifth one already in the bag for over a year now

[00:05:40] so yeah they've already dropped one season they need to drop the other season to just close out the story could also be just waiting for Henry Cavill to get Highlander when Highlander comes out that's where they go hey you remember this guy yeah see he's cool look no here's his the end of his show that he kind of got kicked off of anyway bye yeah but they'd have to get Henry Cavill to re-film all of Liam Hemsworth's scenes no they just have to bring him in right at the end

[00:06:09] and they just don't like they didn't with Liam just don't mention they've changed just like he just comes in right at the end and he goes or or he's Cavalry like in Deadpool and Wolverine where he was he's just another universal multiversal kind of version of Geralt it could be it could be anyway Alex Zakharov also directed eight episodes of Ozark that's where he obviously got his connection with

[00:06:38] with Chris Mundy the showrunner of Ozark so so yeah so a well-experienced director directing loads and loads of great television so great to have him on board for this intimate and galaxy spanning episode yes and with that Chris do you want to tell us what they gave us with the synopsis for Lanterns episode seven the Jordan boys legacy sure in 1975 a young Hal Jordan is punished by his baseball coach for not being a team player

[00:07:08] this sets a habit of a lifetime as Hal won't give up the game ball to the kid chosen to replace him his father Martin is proud of Hal and gives him a key to the family failsafe shortly before he died in a plane crash back in 2026 the Hallogram refuses to cooperate with John Stewart to help solve the suspected murder of Hal and forces him to meet with Sheriff Kerry Kane to verify

[00:07:38] his claims afterwards the Hallogram suspects foul play from Kerry and insists John check out Hal's storage without her upon opening Hal's vault they find a portal that leads to another planet which John recognises as Antan's homeworld they travel towards an island in the middle of a lake but John experiences a hallucination created by the remnants of a fever inducing gas within the rain clouds

[00:08:08] as visions of his father and his younger self accuse him of being afraid John points a gun at his own head the Hallogram saves John by pushing him into the water he yells he tells John the story about Hal Jordan's family failsafe and that both his father and grandfather took their own lives this is Hal's family legacy leading John to suspect Hal may have killed himself arriving at the island

[00:08:37] John and Hologram enter the structure at the centre and overpower Sinestro who tries to attack them to escape the planet and we found Sinestro once again yeah and we didn't even know he was missing we did know he was missing did we yes it was mentioned from Guy Gardner that he'd been broken out of prison when we saw Guy yes now I remember it was a dropped line but we were really speculating hard about what had happened

[00:09:07] how the hell could he have broken out of this insane prison that you had to be a guardian to get into and we still haven't found that out we've just found here he is on a planet that Hal Jordan at least had access to yeah it's like it was like Azkaban yeah Space Caban I think they called it Space Caban yeah because they had to get their quota of Harry Potter references into their HBO show since they're coming out with their new show next year you know so I have to make sure we get as many references to Harry Potter in there as we can do you remember Harry Potter

[00:09:37] remember you remember you used to like this you remember you were gonna like it before the writer did what she did anyway we won't be promoting the Harry Potter series or watching it no yes we will be talking about our top three moments from this episode won't we we absolutely will let's get into our top three moments for this episode we're gonna start off with our power ring point number one four and our power ring point number

[00:10:06] one is let go of the ball I just love that we have the flashback that we were expecting for Hal Jordan but a very tiny flashback to a very specific period of Hal Jordan's life back in 1975 where he is playing a game of baseball or at least he is has stopped a game of baseball from going ahead because why because the person in charge chose somebody else to take over from Hal's position as the as the

[00:10:36] I guess they call them bowlers in baseball yeah pitchers so yeah so his coach tried to take him out of the game and tried to put someone else in instead of him and Hal knew better so he kept the game ball in his hand and in the game and making the team forfeit sounds like a pattern that Hal has been repeating all the way throughout the rest of his life doesn't it yeah and well look it you can kind of understand like poor little Hal he was two or three bases away from a

[00:11:05] perfect game he was pitching the whole thing he was gonna be great and the coach wanted to take him out and replace him with someone else who Hal didn't think was as qualified and could do it wouldn't allow them to get a perfect game you know what I love about the writing of this as well just to your point Chris you do believe him you are on his side we know Hal from the beginning of the series we want to believe that he's in the right here

[00:11:35] but what he actually says to his dad because I read it down what he actually says to his dad is I was pitching an almost no hitter dad so an almost no hitter is not a perfect game it's not the best game of your life it's not he hasn't had the perfect possible baseball game he's just convinced he's in the right here and his coach shouldn't have the choice to swap him and this is a little league baseball this is a young game there's no massive pressure on them here they're not in the world series

[00:12:05] they're not in a hugely competitive game his coach in school is trying to swap him out for another member of the team that also should get some experience of throwing pitches right that's kind of it and Hal is going no I know better so that's why I think the whole team punching Hal because he wanted to give the game ball up and them conceding the game to a team they were actually going to beat that's why I see the justification from the other side and then when his coach goes crazy on his father for his

[00:12:35] father going what's the other kid's stats like it doesn't matter what the kid's stats like he needs to get the game ball back apologize to everybody and we need to move along and his father won't let it go so they're two peas the bod he's convinced that Hal is right and once again someone in power tried to take away his job and he was like I'm having none of it yeah it is interesting that also like this is the end of

[00:13:04] the league the competition like they've gone so this is the winning they were going to go and win the game and win the season and this is the first time the dad's meeting and on the surface there's not that much there but underneath it you can see you do understand that from an early age there's been a pattern of as you say cockiness belief in oneself

[00:13:34] but it's a learned pattern from his father who learned it from his grandfather so there is a legacy of this type of personality which also carries over not just to the Jordan legacy but it's also in the Stuart legacy like this whole series really leaning into the predestined kind of the legacy that one leaves with one's father

[00:14:04] not just one's father but like the mentor like the next generation so you have like it actually even comes up really interestingly as well when very much later on I'm not going there but just to kind of point it in which is where Stuart goes sorry Hal goes did I not teach you about Einstein Rosen Bridges and he goes you

[00:15:17] learned there there coins some things some bits and a note but everything else it's not important it's not for you to know and then he transfers over this the key to his failsafe and you're like oh okay it's kind of a lockbox they don't believe in a proper will and testament type thing

[00:15:47] is like okay it's a what could be in Hal's and it's interesting because we do know Hal has one too yeah so or you can kind of after this scene you make an assumption that okay well what's in the box continued on but the legacy yes again we learn what the legacy is later on but that is the point where where he is looking at his son kind of realizing Hal's quite similar to me now it's about time he gets the

[00:16:17] key to this lockbox the thing that I can't talk to anybody else can so that is the thing

[00:16:46] that is the connection between them a really interesting opener and I was really surprised to have this as being the flashback you know again if you watched the terrible Green Lantern movie the whole 20 minute opening of that is the time when Hal as a young kid and then we see Hal at

[00:17:16] his father's funeral as an immediate transition afterwards and Hal throwing in soil into the coffin of his father that's it we don't get much more of the story of who this guy is until the conversation later on with John yeah it is interesting as well that he's like you need to let the ball go but he doesn't so his dad almost is trying to release the

[00:17:48] problem so his dad is telling him how to stop the legacy it's only later that we find out that didn't happen as well yeah he went back for the ball while they were sitting anything else on the flashback anything else on the early days of Hal Jordan that are

[00:18:18] in here no not really like we we get I was hoping to that that would also infer on Hal

[00:18:49] being a fighter pilot like you brought up which is we see a lot of that in the Ryan Reynolds film so I was hoping to almost get a bit more of that but I think they're also like it's not important he's a lantern he's not a fighter pilot and we're focusing on the other aspect of that the first episode the interview

[00:19:19] that Hal has the reason why he has no fear is because he lost a parent when he was a kid that's the story he's telling the world outside of himself and outside of again Kerry and eventually John the story he's been telling the world is he has no fear because his father died when he's was so really interesting one last tiny bit I love about this is just a transition at the end where we have Hal throwing the soil in and it cuts to

[00:19:48] 2026 with the hologram looking over the grave of Hal Jordan going god damn it really like that with that let's get on to our power ring point number two because that is the hologram returns this was our cliffhanger from last week's episode bringing back the hologram we had loads of theories as to why hologram was back we were pretty much right it is John wants to continue the

[00:20:18] investigation needs a voice of Hal Jordan to continue that but he doesn't get his own way at all it's not as easy thought it's a fun one but you are really like this is Hal Jordan you can kind of see the 2016 Hal Jordan that we were in Rushville with you can see the beginning of it you that's that cheeky grain but you can also see

[00:20:48] the nicer aspect of it definitely like the one he was the green lantern he was back in 19 this he's from 2006 or is he from 1996 I think it was 1996 but yeah I'd have to confirm it maybe it was 2006 so I think 1996 was the one that we saw being on TV 10 years yeah so he's 2006 I think so he's 2006 because he said when we meet him at the first or second episode

[00:21:18] on the road he said it's been 10 years since I've been copied yeah so yeah there you go um so it's fun to see this character and it's great that this is potentially how we will continue to have Hal Jordan in this universe throughout the next few years if Jon Stewart ever bloody charges the

[00:21:48] ring stop it driving your mental where it's like it starts out with 5% left we know that charge is a very low charge and then as the episode goes on you hear that the hologram is able to listen in on conversations that Jon is having with other people he's able to repeat them he's able to bring himself back out of the ring whenever he wants to so how much power is that using out of the ring

[00:22:39] greatness hall Wizard So you can't tell there's a great element of the hologram where he's not just willing to be allowed to be used as a tool he doesn't really know John He doesn't know anybody that's involved in this. He doesn't know who killed Hal Jordan, obviously.

[00:23:08] But he's going to do a bit of investigation himself before he allows himself to be used as a tool, which I really like. That's what this is all about. I love that he goes into the storage shed the first time and then starts playing charades with him so John can't use his voice. And his charades are two words. First word, F. Second word, off. And get outside, basically. Really like that. Yeah.

[00:23:35] And for a split second, you do think it's like, oh, we're going to see what's in the box. We're going to get there. And then we don't. And he wants to see Kerry. He wants to know that this sheriff, he wants that this person who Hal was with. So we then are brought to Rushville High for the hat ceremony.

[00:24:01] Which is nothing we really have in Ireland or in the UK. It is. Oh, we do, Chris. We have it in Hogwarts when Harry's choosing what place, what school he goes to in Hogwarts. They have the hat ceremony. So they've replicated this for a college football team. That's a young Macon is looking to choose. And then doesn't. Yes. So really, all you see is signs for the hat choosing ceremony all around town.

[00:24:30] I don't know why they have it everywhere. So I did check it. I don't know why it would be everywhere. But I did think that this quarterback, the young Macon, he is the four colleges that they're mentioning. They are prestigious. Sleathering and, oh, sorry. Navy, Army. No. So they are prestigious.

[00:24:56] Nashville, the Navy, and their well-known college football teams. And him going to be a quarterback on this, he's going to be a big star from their little hometown of 1001 people. So I kind of do get it, but it is just that. And once again, the focus on Noah, I am like, okay, we know he has something to do with everything.

[00:25:24] Can we just start moving? And they're like, no, you are saving this big reveal for the finale. It's going to be, oh, my God, he's half Manhunter. Oh, no. You never guessed it. Nobody guessed it at all. Yeah, the focus on Noah, and I'll also say the focus on this character, Maggie, who wants $315,000 and keeps coming back to it over and over again with John.

[00:25:52] It feels like something really important that we should be, that we're all missing, at least. I cannot think of a reason why Maggie wants the specific amount of $314,000 or whatever smaller dollars that she wants. But the fact they keep bringing her back and they keep bringing Noah back. And it's not just to add color to the episodes. It's more than that. There's other things about it. There must be something more to it.

[00:26:19] But as I say, the fact that it's a hat ceremony and he's mentioned it before early on in the season. It happens. He stands up in front of everybody and goes, I want to make you all proud. We all need something to celebrate. Let's all go to the match tonight. Watch the match. And then I'll choose whatever the hat's going to be. And everybody seems absolutely fine with that, even though they all took time out of their regular days to go to this ceremony for the local kid done good. And then he basically said, well, I'm not going to do it. OK, Grant, no problem at all.

[00:26:48] We don't mind taking time off work to come down to the local school to find this out. And you're still not telling us. Yeah, there's absolutely going to be some kind of big reveal in the final episode. But it feels like they're just focusing on him without any real content around him. So on the Maggie one, the 314,000 blah, blah, blah, I was like, OK, so are they trying to do pie? Is this pie?

[00:27:18] And I was like, racking my brain going, is there a pie reference? Did someone say they really like pie? Was there? She works in the local diner which sells pie. I was like, I'm trying to remember. And then on Maggie as well, she has the look of a green lantern from a diff from one of the comic books. I don't know the character's name. She has short blonde hair. She wore a white and green skirt. She's a well-known lantern in the corpse.

[00:27:48] She's an alien. So I'm like, is she there looking after now? Is she there looking after now? Because one of the guardians had put her there to watch over? And is that why she's just messing with John? Yeah. So I don't know. But she was a kid. She was the kid that John helped. Yes. After the big battle in the town. So because she repeated back to what he said to her. So we know that was that kid. But as we said before, it still doesn't negate the fact that she could be a manhunter.

[00:28:18] Noah could also be another manhunter. The whole town's kids could all be manhunters. We still don't know. But the fact that they just keep pulling us back to them whenever they get the opportunity, then we just don't know anymore. So I guess that's going to be something big next week. Some kind of big reveal next week. I do love the conversation over Hal's grave where the hologram is asking him about the funeral. So last week we talked about Hal's speech.

[00:28:45] And it did seem that at some point that Hal Jordan that wrote the original draft of that speech was pretty serious. He was expecting that there would be visitors from the guardians. He was expecting that there were going to be lots of people there celebrating the things that he'd done for planet Earth. And he looks really crestfallen when John tells him, no, none of them were there. And John tries to cover it over saying, yeah, of course all the lanterns were there.

[00:29:10] And they did the call back to Mogo, one of the lanterns, a green lantern who is a gigantic planet that we talked about earlier on in the season. So that was Hal's way of finding out whether John was actually lying or not. So John's like, yeah, yeah, I was standing right beside him. No problem at all. And he's like, he's the size of a planet. That's definitely worth standing beside him. Stop lying to him. So really love those little calls in. And again, this is something I find really cool. The hologram doing his investigation as he goes along.

[00:29:38] You know, he didn't ask for Kerry because he doesn't know who he is. He asked for the local sheriff. It just turned out to be that's the person that was going out with Hal. I love that after the conversation with her, he goes, well, she definitely killed me. So throwing another accusation for a potential murderer out there. I do love that. I know guilt when I see it. Mm-hmm. And it did get me wondering.

[00:30:08] I was like, oh, could you imagine it's her? Yeah. Well, we thought it was her from the beginning. No, I know. Like, oh, maybe it's Zoe. And then we went, oh, maybe it's Noah. And then we were like, oh, it's definitely John. And I love that even by the end of this episode, Hal's thrown out three accusations. And each time he threw them out, I was absolutely going, of course it is. He went, Kerry. Of course it is. And then he was like, oh, it's definitely John.

[00:30:37] It is John, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. So yeah, there's loads of possibilities still. And I think by the end of the episode, there's one potential that we hadn't really considered beforehand that is thrown out at the end of the episode. And I think by the end of the episode, you're supposed to believe that that one's the accurate one, which we'll talk about in our next point. Yeah. Yeah. I do like the theory, though, it is Kerry.

[00:31:03] Because if Noah is a manhunter, and Hal found out, and there's no bond stronger than the mother's love. So again, you could, that guilt, it's a nice tie back to where it actually end up to being Kerry because she killed and she shot Hal. Well, and that guilt she's, that hologram is seeing is because she is guilty from it. And that's because she wants to just protect her son.

[00:31:32] Who, yeah, it's an interesting one. I like, I don't know. Well, I say I like it because it's very human. It's a very human one. I don't know if they'll do that with an intergalactic show. They may go a bit more intergalactic planetary. I don't know. No, I don't know. I think they've been really good at spreading this show.

[00:31:59] It's been a grounded show that has an eye on the heavens and the stars, right? That's what it feels like. Just one. Just one. Just one. Just one. Yeah. One on the ground, one on the stars. Yeah. They have that kind of view of this is a space show, but it's not the space cop show. And I think that was the failing of the Green Lantern movie. They went way too far, way too fast without establishing characters that you can get behind. I'd absolutely be behind another season of Lanterns.

[00:32:27] Actually, even if Hal and John aren't there, but I really liked following these two characters. And I'd love if they continue to pop in and out of another Lantern season next season. And you could go a bit more space based. You could go a bit more space cops with the second season. But I think this is a great setup season to establish how they fit into the universe a bit more. And just to establish these two iconic Green Lanterns at the very least. Yeah. No, they will. They will. Anyway.

[00:32:57] If they ever do a second season. You never know, Chris. Yeah. That's what I was going to get. As I don't want to talk about until we talk our wrap up. Yes. I think there'll be a few threads left and we won't know until. It's been getting good numbers, but I still don't know if we're going to get announced. They're massive numbers. But the big problem here is that Warner Brothers has just been purchased by another company who don't really want to do stuff like this.

[00:33:24] So they're giving them every reason to say we also needed a successful show with this company that we've just bought to bring in money. And this is one of the biggest rated shows that HBO has had. So if they're choosing not to do a second season, it's either because the people involved don't want to do it or the people that just bought the company don't want to do it. That's the only reason. Because by every other metric, it absolutely should be given a second season. If that's what they're looking for.

[00:33:54] Yeah. I just don't know if that's what they're looking for. Final one I just want to mention here before we go on is just a conversation with Kerry and with Hal. I really enjoyed those moments. Kelly MacDonald is just brilliant in this scene where she's seeing someone back from the dead effectively. John had tried to prepare her beforehand going, this is not Hal. It might look like him, but it's definitely not the Hal that you know.

[00:34:22] And then he just pops up out of nowhere and goes, you're over explaining a kid. But I think he could have she could have needed about another 20 seconds of explanation before he suddenly just appeared there. The fact that he's that she's able to touch him as a real surprise to her. And then just the way he talks through her, I thought was really cool. Where he's saying to her, you know, we have do we have a relationship where I told you about everything. Did I tell you about my father? And when she said yes, then he asks, what did I tell you about John?

[00:34:49] And she relates to him this story, this this version where he says, John's like your football team. You share to the TV every single Sunday. But keep coming back because you're a big fan. I love that version. Such a good analogy, isn't it? Isn't it? Another sports analogy for for Kyle Chandler, of course. But yeah, you have to do it. Yeah. No, I know. It was a good one. And you can actually understand that. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. I get it. It's like me and the Saints. Yeah.

[00:35:18] I keep coming back to them. But they're shit. Chris, I'm a Carolina Panthers fan. And the Saints are better in the leagues than Carolina Panthers are. I know. But I also I didn't get it. I didn't get a chance to talk about the the Ravens and the loss against the the our co-host John and his loss to the Saints. It was fun. Because he doesn't happen often. I should have wrote that in. I just didn't get a chance.

[00:35:49] Absolutely. But enough about football from us. I'm sure there's going to be a bit more football in next episode when we get that decision from Noah about what team is going to go to, because that's the most important thing that Noah has to tell us, isn't it? Yes. That is the most important. I'm going to Navy. OK. Right. Thanks very much for your choice there. Enjoy. Enjoy Notre Dame. Exactly. But let's move on to power ring point number three.

[00:36:19] Yes. Planet Fear is our final power ring point. Finally, John convinces Hal to get him to go down and open up his locker using his voice. Because he doesn't trust Kerry. He's like, this is going out. Let's go. Let's go right now. Yeah. Yeah. They go. They find an Einstein Rosenbridge, also colloquially known as a wormhole. Yes. Very good. A poncho, a bag and a gun. Uh-huh.

[00:36:49] You know? And some water and some snacks for a hike. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a good hike. It's a good hike. It's packed everything, yeah. It's interesting. That's it. All right. I was expecting more. And again, we learn kind of, we can make assumptions as to why not and things like that as the episode progresses.

[00:37:10] But this leading, them deciding, well, we can't just leave the wormhole here and go through because Kerry's going to come here, so let's go somewhere. Yeah. I love that they went to the water tower. Absolutely, yeah. It's a good callback. It is. It is. It's kind of just outside town. It was the scene of Hal and his push because Hal doesn't kill. But he didn't kill Anton.

[00:37:40] Yeah. He just, he was going to explode. He just farted him away like a tornado wind. And it's an interesting, like later when we figure out where this planet that the wormhole takes us to, it's a cool thing to think about as well. But that is it. They are transported as they go through. One call that I do like is in terms of the first steps for John Stewart.

[00:38:10] He hasn't been off planet. Yes. So he was like, ask me if I'm afraid. And Hano Graham was like, what, what, what? He's like, ask me, am I afraid? That point is enough to kind of, he kind of just push him, give him that, his momentum to take the first step through. The drive, yes. The drive. Absolutely. Yeah, very good. Yeah, it's really cool, isn't it?

[00:38:37] And then interestingly, he gets to the new planet, asks Hal, has he been there before? And Hal's like, oh, they all kind of merged together. All of them are like deserts outside of LA to me. And he goes, but I feel like I've been here before. And it's actually because he had the images of the death of Antan's planet and his alien people push through his brain to help them out, find the Manhunter a couple of episodes ago.

[00:39:05] So this, he learns, this is the planet that they were on. I think this is really interesting. And again, it's probably because I'm not the most knowledgeable person of the Green Lantern stuff. But when they were talking, all I could think of, they were saying, you know, there's this gas that's released, which turns everybody on each other. They all killed each other, killed themselves because of this yellow gas that was released. And all I could think of was Scarecrow from the Batman universe.

[00:39:34] I'm going, did Scarecrow get his hands on some of the fear gas from this universe? And that's what he uses as his primary weapon? Or did he try and replicate it on Earth? Or am I just thinking too much that it's all connected? Because it's not as connected as that. Maybe. Not right now. But I think that's a way for them to say something like that. That it was like he was working on a thing for Lexcorp or something. No, I went Tatooine because it's twin sun planet.

[00:40:04] I was like, oh my god, they're on Tatooine. There you go. And the melted skeletons all over the place as well, of course. Yes. Yeah. Because Aunt Beru is, you know, everywhere. Yeah. Like dust in the wind. Like dust in the wind. It's interesting. You see that floating city. And I've been curious about that floating city for the longest time since we've seen it in the promos and the trailers. Right. And trying to figure out where, what, when, how. It's an interesting thing to find out that like, well, we're not even going up there.

[00:40:32] That's not the important part of this planet. Yeah. That it is a flashing blue light over in the distance that they have to get to. Mm-hmm. And as they get closer, it's then a flashing blue light on an island in the middle of a lake. Mm-hmm. All interesting. I did like the skulls. Yes. So we did get to kind of understand that somewhat what their skulls look like of these alien race.

[00:41:02] Yeah. Certainly not human skulls, yeah. No. And I'm pretty sure they will use this as that of some form that these, this planet was the birthplace of the Red Lanterns. And that's because you can also use that. Because for the longer time, a lot of people have been speculating that Ant-Anne was actually one of the Red Lanterns. Oh, okay. From the comic books. Yeah.

[00:41:28] Very similar because this is how the, the, the, the whole story is ripped from how that Red Lantern was born. Right. And his, basically the rage he felt from the death of his whole planet. Wow. The Manhunters. So. It was pretty easy for a Red Lantern, didn't it? Yeah, exactly. So. I think that speculation might have been wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Just slightly.

[00:41:52] I do remember something about, about this where Damon Lindelof, I think had said, or Tom King had said that they had taken some inspiration from. Yes. That character. And because Anton's name began with an A, people started speculating. Well, that's of course what they meant when they said inspiration. They meant that's definitely the character from the comic books, but I don't know. He's dead now. So. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Who knows? Maybe they bring him back to life. All things are possible. Yes. Yes. But I, so I like this.

[00:42:23] The one thing I did want to call out, right? So they talk about fear toxins, gas, things like that. That is what kind of caused the planet to be decimated. That's what the Manhunter essentially said they released. And we know that she said she was going to save the planet. So I'm assuming if it was a dusty planet, maybe she was like, I released this gas and it's going to fix the ozone or something like that. Anyway. Anyway, we don't, that's not important. Yeah.

[00:42:50] What I did want to call out is a Marine, a Marine who served didn't think about gas. He's like, okay, there's been gas on the planet. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You should have been the one like, okay, I'm just going to put a bit of a mask here and I'm going to tie something around my face. I was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:17] That was the only bit I was like, because they get to the, they get to the boat. They get on the boat. Yeah. They get start going towards and we'll get to what the whole story in the boat in a second. But I was just, I was like, oh, John, come on. That military training didn't pay off there. I just thought it was just trusted how because how sticks his head in and then goes, no, this is fine. It's breathable. Come on. Come on ahead. Like that's what he says.

[00:43:46] So, you know, it could have just as easily his whole body could have exploded because he's out in space. It may have different gravity. So I think he wasn't taking any precautions. And the bag that was packed, how was kind of go, well, that's everything you need. So I do love the call later on when the holograms looking at John going through his experience of the fear gas and going, well, that's why the poncho was in the bag. He's retroactively realizing why everything's in there. You know, you're going to be walking through a desert. So you're going to need water.

[00:44:15] The walk could take a long time. So you're going to need nutrition bars. If the if the fear induced rain comes down from the sky, you should be putting a poncho over your head. But I don't know any of this until after the fact. So not very helpful. You should have put it on. But I do like that poncho, though. It was a nice poncho. It's good poncho. Black. Yeah. It's a good poncho. Should we talk about what happens in the boat? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Firstly, we do have the little kind of running down of the of the the ring power, which is why Hal disappears.

[00:44:44] They have a conversation in the boat and then Hal goes away so that they can reserve the power. And when he goes, we get the appearance of John's father in the boat and then John himself, both telling him to take the shot in the water. The whole boat is surrounded by what looks like all of the apples that were ever shot off John's head or he ever shot off his dad's head or his mom's head.

[00:45:12] So it's a really interesting one because this is the fear eating away at John that he is afraid that he is that he doesn't have what it takes to live up to the legacy that's being thrust upon him. And I didn't notice it. It's only in dialogue from when the hologram saves him that you realize John was putting the gun to his own head at that moment.

[00:45:40] And if Hal hadn't come back and thrown him in the water, he would have pulled the trigger and taken his own life. Because he doesn't even talk about what it is. And it feeds so well into the Jordan legacy.

[00:45:54] And the one piece that it is explained comes from and it's such a well-written choice, which is both Hal and John are not without fear. Yeah. They're broken. Yeah.

[00:46:19] Like that's not like being men who can overcome fear and not. Sorry. Being men who are without fear is not what they are. They're broken men who are at this point able to overcome fear. Well, yeah. But it's just such a powerful moment. Yeah. I was just so shocked. I was. Sorry. Not shocked. Yeah. Yeah. No.

[00:46:49] I was shocked. I was like, this is a really powerful moment. It is. It's a really powerful kind of discussion points when you're talking about how these two men and two heroes are vulnerable. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's just that reveal, I guess, from the hologram who, as we said, you find out earlier that Hal Jordan had entrusted the information to Kerry.

[00:47:19] That's how close he was to Kerry. This piece of knowledge that's been passed down generation to generation among these men who can't talk to their partners, who can't talk to anybody else, but will pass on to the information to their children or their male children anyway, to tell them that basically you're part of the legacy. At some point in the future.

[00:48:08] Like he said, he says to him, you know, you saw Hal Jordan in pain. Why did you travel across many states to come and see a person who didn't even like you saw him in pain? Why didn't you just listen to what he wanted to say? Because he clearly needed the help. Which, again, is an indication of where the story's going. Yeah. And it's interesting because that does then, as you alluded to earlier in our conversation, this is the third suspect. How?

[00:48:38] Mm-hmm. Did he, did he, did he do it? Yeah. Is he the killer? Um, and it's a fair point because he goes, oh, but what about the gun? Well, Kerry could have done it. Yeah. She could have taken the gun away. Exactly.

[00:48:53] Um, it's an interesting point because then I, when this then starts to come up, I'm like, oh, that's another, it's a wrinkle in a show where you are talking about the, the, everyone's like, oh, this is, it's going to be the manhunters. And it was all this, and this is the, the, the death. And then it turns out that it wasn't death at all.

[00:49:18] That Hal had just taken his own life because of the Hal Jordan, or the Jordan men legacy. Yeah. Um, it's just an interesting, uh, kind of wrinkled in the story. It really is. And, you know, you, you hear, you hear all the things that are said throughout this episode from the opening, um, moment with his dad, where his dad gives him the key and says, my father gave me that. Uh, when he went off to war, he had no problem. He had no fear of going off to war. He just knew there was only two things that could happen. Either he would succeed or fail.

[00:49:48] He failed when he opened the safe in the safe was a note telling him about the legacy here. We hear from Hal later on. We hear, um, that his father killed himself in a plane crash and everybody thought, well, he's a test pilot. He mustn't, he mustn't have killed himself. It was an accident, which is the story he's been telling everybody else. And the story we've heard before, uh, for in the green lantern history that his father died in a plane crash because he was a test pilot. Well, here it's saying he didn't, it wasn't an accident.

[00:50:17] Um, and we hear, you know, repeated Kerry saying nobody in town liked him. Everybody wanted to kill him. He spent all his time from the time he finished in prison, which the hologram is disgusted at how could this person end off going to prison? And how could this Hal Jordan that he was, how would he go to prison? He comes back to Rushville, apologized to everybody in town every single day going door to door, but they all hate him so much that Kerry suspects that anybody could have killed him.

[00:50:43] Well, you know, maybe Hal's taking his own life because he felt the pressure of hatred from everybody around him. You know, again, you see that speech, his eulogy that he wanted to give as a funeral is that he wanted everybody to be appreciative of him and for his life to matter. And when he died, the only people that were there was the future green lantern, his ex who hated him, an actual green lantern who didn't even know him and, uh, his current girlfriend. Uh, and that's it.

[00:51:09] So, yeah, is, is, is that, is the depression of everything that went on that drove Hal to be his own murderer effectively? Yep. Yep. And it's so, I'm interested to see. I really, I really am. Yeah. And what I really like about this is even in all that, even if next week when we get a different reveal of who the actual killer is, this episode in itself is so well put together.

[00:51:38] The way it's written, how, how, uh, how well acted it is between these two characters who absolutely are going through mental health issues themselves, regardless of what the outcome is in the next episode. I think it's a really strong episode of, of these kinds of discussions that are happening between the two of them. Really, really great. And like this, this is where we talk about it, like, especially when we, in our discussions on any of the shows, every now and again, there is a, an episode or of a show that we watch and we're like, do you know what?

[00:52:08] This, this, this is worthy of an Emmy, like just the scene alone or this part here, but because it's a superhero show, it will only really get done for, um, like soundtrack or the VFX or something like that in terms of the Emmys. Um, very rarely would they put this, um, very rarely would they put this.

[00:52:29] So I don't think any, either of our stars will get the, the, the, the kudos that they, the, that they deserve for this scene. Should we talk about the island then? Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Let's talk about the final, uh, movement of the, uh, of the episode. They get to the center of the island. They get to the central building, uh, that they've been drawn towards. Uh, you think you're going to find out what it is that's drawing them there. Hoping it's a lantern to charge that, um, ring.

[00:52:59] That's right. That's all I was thinking is that's what it is. And it might be. It might be. It might be. Uh, and, um, it's Sinestro, uh, who. It's a forge. There. And Sinestro. Yeah. Um, and he just wants to get off the island. He does. Which is interesting. Godforsaken place. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so this is really interesting. This is where we get to speculation station. This is just, um, you have Sinestro.

[00:53:28] Um, for those in the, with the comic book knowledge there, Sinestro was a adversary, a well-known comic book kind of villain. Yeah. Um, and is a lantern of kinds, multiple shades. Uh-huh. Um, so I think they will probably play on that.

[00:53:48] I think I am in the opinion that they are going to reveal some very interesting pieces that will set up potentially a second season. Okay. Um, with the guardians and the lanterns and things like that. Yeah.

[00:54:13] I think, um, they, they have to power up John Stewart. Mm-hmm. And I think that's what this island is going to be about. Okay. Um, because if we think we have to get back to Rushville to solve Hal's murder, um, and potentially put down the next generation of Manhunters. Right.

[00:54:39] So, in order to do that, Hologram and John Stewart need to get back to Earth. Mm-hmm. And more importantly, John Stewart needs to become some form of a lantern. Right. So I think that's where they are going with this. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we will be, the reveal of who broke Sinestro out will be a good one. Uh-huh. I have a theory. Yeah.

[00:55:06] Um, but I, I, I, and I'd love to kind of say it, but at the same point, I'm kind of like, it might be a spoiler. So I don't know. Well, we don't, we don't know what's happening. We don't, we don't know what's going to happen in the last episode. Yeah. And as far as I know, it hasn't been even screened. They only gave the first seven episodes to, to press who were, who were reading it. So all speculation is speculation right now. Yeah.

[00:55:31] Um, the only thing I can think of is when we're on a planet, the only person who has access to it and easy access to it is Hal Jordan. So I presume Hal Jordan broke Sinestro out for whatever reason, given that the Guardian suspected that his connection to Sinestro was, um, going to be a challenge for them. But he didn't have his ring. Hmm. But when did he lose that? When did he not have it? I know he didn't have it when he was shot dead, but.

[00:55:58] So he, his ring was in Onoa with the Guardians. Decommissioned. Decommissioned. So that was taken when he, before he went to jail. Um, so I don't think. So he visited Sinestro in that prison back in 2016. Yeah. Sorry. Zoe the Manhunter was killed by Jon Stewart. Sometime after that, Hal turned himself in and went to prison. Yeah. But we don't really know what happened between those two points. Yeah.

[00:56:26] Could he have broken Sinestro out then? Um, and nobody noticed for a while? Could be. Or was it very recent? Yeah. Or, yeah. I took from the way Guy mentioned it, it was a new enough piece. My theory is it is, uh, Liana, the, the, uh, guardian. Yeah. She wants, she doesn't believe in the, the, the Green Lantern court anymore.

[00:56:54] She wants to build her own thing. She, uh, pulls Sinestro out because she wants her own version of a vigilante. She, yada, yada, yada. And she's keeping him there. Um, we, I think they're building up to that. Like a, the, the Lantern war. Different court. Absolutely. And I think that's how you can do that. Uh, there's a whole thing about fear.

[00:57:21] Um, we know willpower is, powers the Green Lanterns. Mm-hmm. Fear powers the Yellow Lanterns. Yeah. And we are on a planet full of fear. Um, and I think that's where we are starting to, it's going to be an interesting kind of reveal next. Mm-hmm. And there was, there was an interesting conversation as well that was had between Hal and John and the boat.

[00:57:46] Another little part of their conversation where, uh, Hal was asking why John went to, went to Rushfield to visit him. And he said, well, my mom called me and told me that you had an apology. And he was going, well, hang, why would your mom call you, tell you? And, uh, and John was kind of going, well, you'd get, you became friends over time. And Hal went, how would a thing like that happen exactly? You know?

[00:58:11] And we mentioned it last week when that conversation had happened on the phone with John that, you know, there was absolute disdain from John's mom to, um, Hal Jordan when he was in the house calling them the, uh, the Huxtables. Um, you know, she did not like Hal Jordan at all. And she didn't like him at all because he got the ring when her husband was supposed to get the ring, uh, back in the day.

[00:58:37] So how they developed a friendship and how that continued is definitely being said out loud here on screen because that matters. Yeah. Um, even when she called him in this episode, you see how looking at the phone going, Bernadette, is that your wife? Is that your girlfriend? Who's that? Um, you know, so I think that's there because it was mentioned quite significantly. It's definitely the first episode that a Manhunter can take the place of anybody. It could be anybody at all.

[00:59:03] Um, while the aliens can look human, a Manhunter can take the shape of anybody else that you see. So, uh, we haven't actually had that at all. Given a show, given that as a basic premise for your villain character that they can be anybody, uh, that you look at, um, it's quite surprising they don't play with that. Isn't it? Yeah. That's basically the premise of the incredible movie, The Thing, uh, who is the alien that's in, in our midst, right?

[00:59:30] So, uh, if you don't play with that idea, you definitely shouldn't have said it out loud at the beginning of the season. So, uh, yeah, I think you're probably right. So I think, um, Liana is potentially someone that could be taking the shape of, uh, of John's mom. Um, I think it's a, she's a Manhunter. I'm not sure if she's even a guardian, but she did have a connection with the guardians. Uh, or occasionally the, the Manhunter is taking the visage of Liana. Yep. Or Bernadette.

[00:59:58] Um, but yeah, all to be revealed in the finale. Yes. And that is where we end. Like that is, there is so much to go through. I think for me, no matter what, I feel this is very much a Lindelof show in that you can see the mature. When we sat down and we watched Watchmen, we decided, okay, they've taken something that was an interesting DC property. They took a superhero show and made it.

[01:00:25] They took some very interesting, heavy topics and threaded it through a, and put it in a world where comic book lovers would love. So that's where I see that. Tom King brings some amazing story from just, he, Tom King is an amazing comic book writer. Yeah. Um, so I think that's where his finesse comes through, which is the more fantastical, superheroic ends.

[01:00:55] But for me, Lindelof is the, the, I can see his fingers over a lot of it. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. You know, the, the, the initial discussions, um, were apparently with, uh, Chris Mundy, the showrunner for this show. He was asked to come on board in the new DC universe as, as the showrunner for True Detective, as the showrunner for Ozark. He was asked to come in and see what kind of story he wanted to tell in the universe.

[01:01:19] Um, he came up with this idea, um, for the show, uh, layered in with the knowledge of Tim, of Tom King as a, as a DC alumni and Demi Lindelof as a showrunner of, of amazing shows, uh, including things like Lost and, uh, and The Leftovers, you know? Um, so I see, I see that all of them working together really, but I feel, I feel Chris Mundy's fingerprints on this a bit more.

[01:01:44] Um, you know, some senses of, of Damon Lindelof and Chris Mundy can be similar, I suppose. Um, but it doesn't feel as mystery box like, um, the, the Damon Lindelof one where I always feel like we're never getting an answer to the, to the, uh, mysteries that are set up in a Damon Lindelof show. Uh, to the fact, just in case you've never seen The Leftovers, that's one of my favorite shows. Uh, they changed the theme tune to that show and the theme tune to the show was Let the Mystery Be, uh, was the actual, uh, what they wrote in.

[01:02:14] When you watched every single episode, you had somebody singing at you, the mystery is just the mystery. Forget about it. Just watch what we're, what drama we're providing to you. Whereas I feel Chris Mundy's working towards delivering on the mysteries. Um, so I think that's probably why I feel a little bit more on, on, uh, what he's, what he's delivering here. And that Damon Lindelof's adding being a very well, um, seasoned showrunner for shows. And Tom King's out in the DC lair.

[01:02:41] Cause apparently Chris Mundy didn't know very much about, uh, comic books when he came into this universe. So, um, so yeah, so I, you know, they're all working together very well and delivering a great show. Um, but I just remember we, uh, we did over, uh, praise Damon Lindelof for his contribution to Watchmen. And it turned out most of the writers room were the ones that wrote those episodes rather than Damon Lindelof. So do, do, do, this is me slowly pulling away from the, uh, mic.

[01:03:10] Well, that's where we leave it for our chat all about the lanterns episode seven. Really looking forward to this finale next week, but a short episode this, this week, but it was a very heavy one. So it felt as long as the rest of it felt, felt around that era level. Uh, I think it was about 45 minutes, um, including credits, but it felt heavy. Uh, definitely. Agreed. And what, any final thoughts on the episode, Chris? Not really. I, I, I'm very much, I kind of got most of my bits out as we kind of discussed everything.

[01:03:36] I am very happy with how the show has progressed. I'm very happy with the overall kind of each episode has given a answer to a degree of something. Um, but posed one or two more is good at ending on those kind of cliffhangers. And this has set up an interesting, okay, well, for this final 50 minutes, 57 minutes, whatever we're going to get, how are you going to land this plane?

[01:04:06] Yeah, maybe let's, let's not talk about, um, landing planes, uh, when we're around the Jordan family legacy. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Or will they, uh, Jordan boy it up? Let's see. Let's see. Uh, what about yourself, Derek? Anything to add? Anything you want to bring out? No, really enjoyed it. I'd love to give John's score. He did give me his notes, uh, for the episode. Um, and all I can read is, uh, five out of five Hal leaks out of five. Okay. That doesn't make sense.

[01:04:36] So I don't know what the Hal leaks is. Uh, so I'm obviously, um, misreading his writing, but a five out of five, uh, from John for this episode. Yeah. It's a leaky, it's a leaky Hal. We all have them. It is. When you get older, those leaky Hals. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, only tiny note that I have for the episode was that I have, I was slightly annoyed, um, that this episode opened in 1975, number one, because I was born in 1976, but also because it really frustrated me that every episode has been 2026, 2016, 2006, 1996.

[01:05:05] And then I went back to 1975. Why? Why couldn't it be 1976? It just doesn't make sense. I'm sure maybe it's because you can't do little at the year that Hal would have been, the age Hal would have been one year later. We don't know his exact age. I don't think we have an exact age for Hal. I mean, maybe we, maybe we'll see. Maybe we saw it on his, uh, on his tombstone or something last week and they went, oh no, we have to put it in 75 or maybe everybody was out watching star Wars that summer and nobody

[01:05:34] was, uh, playing little league. I don't know. I don't know. Um, but yeah, just a, just a little, a little annoyance that every year has been 10 years apart and this ending with the six. And for some reason that one was 1975. Um, there you go. Uh, I think we need a drink after that, uh, that, uh, final discussion on, uh, on this episode, Chris, let's get down to the Rushville redneck bar for the quiz. Yes.

[01:06:00] So the question number seven for this episode, what is the number of Hal's unit at the Fortress of Storage? We really liked that name, uh, for a storage company, Chris. Yes, it is a good one. And it don't, do people know about the Fortress of Solitude or is it just a fun callback? Well, yeah. Yeah. We, we talked about it last week that it's, uh, that it's from Superman, uh, which was, that's the big central moment in Superman, uh, last, last year.

[01:06:30] So, uh, a nice little touch on there. Um, we didn't mention in the episode that the, uh, that the, uh, key that Hal had, uh, left behind had the bird on it, uh, which was effectively his connection to John. So John knew, uh, that something, um, was down there, which I just think is, uh, quite to my thing. So he always knew he was going to be sending John down to the Fortress of Storage as well, which is quite cool. Yes. So that's it. That's the seventh question, Chris. Do you want to get the question one more time? Yes. The question is what is the number of Hal's unit at the Fortress of Storage?

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[01:07:28] with a spoiler post up there for every episode of each show that we're covering. And you can also go to our discord, the details of which are in the show notes for this very episode. Speaking of feedback, let's get into our feedback for, uh, for the episodes. Um, we have some feedback in from Richard Blaze on last week's episode. It came in a little bit after, uh, we had put out the episode. He says late to the party on this one as dip date to watch resident evil. I quite enjoyed it. Nothing story-wise related to the games, but some clever nods and winks if you know them. Anyhow, I feel this is an episode that's building to something bigger.

[01:07:58] We are going to get to guy is an utter douchebag. If people still use that term, even more so than his appearance in the very poor Superman film. And speaking of douchebags, Billy clearly given up defending people and taking the road of smacking people about. To be fair, if I lived in that town, I'd be pissed at the lanterns coming in and destroying my utopia. Kerry and Hal. Is that an upgrade from Billy for Kerry? Hal being locked away obviously allowed him time to connect with his feelings. John not willing to kill Hal last week, but quite happy to dig his corpse up and nick the

[01:08:27] ring from his cold dead hand. And how people change in 10 years. Possibly the first episode that's more filler than killer, but still great to spend time in this universe. Thanks, Richard. And hey, very poor Superman film. That's a discussion for a different podcast, but oof. Harsh, man. Yes, guy is... I think we can still say the term douchebag. I think we can. Well, like, we're old. So I don't think the kids, the hip kids will be saying it.

[01:08:54] But, you know, we can put in a 6'7 douchebag and then it kind of brings it in. I think the kids will say 6'7 are about 28 now, Chris. God, we're so old. But I think anybody would understand what a douchebag means. How about that? So even if people aren't using it, they definitely know. Just looking or just spending two minutes in the company of Guy Gardner, you'd know what it means. But yeah, really good. I love that. I love that cliffhanger.

[01:09:20] Last week was John taking the ring from the cold dead hand of the corpse of Hal Jordan. But not for the reasons that anybody thought. He was literally doing it just to solve the murder. That's his agenda, right? Yes. Good stuff. Thanks so much for that, Richard. I know we have your thoughts on this episode coming up. But moving on to our next bit of feedback is on episode 7 of Lanterns from Marie, Chris. Yes. Marie had this to say.

[01:09:49] Look forward every week to your Lanterns podcast. I first found your podcast during Umbrella Academy. Also a fan of Sandman and the Boys. I have to admit, I wasn't sure about Lanterns at first. I decided to stick with it when I saw you were podcasting about it. So thank you, gents. What I am loving is how I have no idea what is going to happen next. With a lot of the shows, I at least have an idea or expectation where it's going. Lantern keeps surprising me.

[01:10:16] I did think John wanted dead Hal's ring, then thought I was wrong when he buried him. So glad he dug him up just so we can have Hallogram. I was worried that Guy Gardner wouldn't fit in on the show and they made it work. I grew up with super friends, so that was my only Green Lantern experience. I really appreciate your comic book info. Was what was happening on the show a plot for one of the comics? Do Hal, John and Guy all live together in the same comic?

[01:10:44] From the latest episode, I am wondering, did Hal put Sinestro on Anton's planet? But Hal wouldn't have had his ring then, right? So many things to think about. What I really wanted to say is thank you for your podcast. You guys are great. If you hadn't been covering Lanterns, I think I would have given up on it. Looking forward to the finale, but sad the season will be over. Thanks again, Marie from Pennsylvania. Thanks, Marie.

[01:11:10] Great to have your feedback and so great to have you back from all the Umbrella Academy fun, from our boys podcast with all of us. And then when the boys covered Sandman, such a good show and shame we won't be getting more of that. But hopefully we will get more of the Lanterns in the future.

[01:11:32] In terms of your questions about Hal, John and Guy, yes, they're all Lanterns in the same comics. They're all Green Lanterns. Yes. And while Hal Jordan was the first one, John then came in, Guy Gardner came in in the 90s when they tried to make it cool. No? No. Hal wasn't even the first Green Lantern. Oh, sorry, Alan Scott.

[01:12:01] But he's Earth 2 now. He's been retconned as Earth 2. He's not really a corp Green Lantern. He was a Green Lantern with his own lantern and it was a bit more magical and Earth-based and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. See, okay, I just, fair, fair, fine. And John Stewart came along in the 70s when they specifically were looking for a more diverse cast in the comic books. They didn't have very many black heroes and they wanted to bring in a black hero in the comic books. So they brought him in the 70s.

[01:12:30] Guy Gardner came around in 73, I think, or 74, but was a background character for many years until the 80s when he came along as a more central character. And, yeah, he's had some big stories, but he is usually the goofy background version of the Green Lantern. But there have been thousands of them and I think right now or around the kind of re-emergence of the universe, there was at least eight lanterns on Earth, I think, at the same time.

[01:12:58] So this initial setup that we had in the series of there being one lantern who dies and the ring goes to the next lantern, that's the only lantern that's around. That's kind of the original story from how Jordan became the lantern, but that's changed over time to the point there were a couple of thousand Green Lanterns making up a whole core of protectors, I guess. Yeah. Oh, good idea. Yeah.

[01:13:26] And they bring in Kyle, who is my Green Lantern. I'd be so happy. If he gets a shout-out at the end, that'd be amazing. But it's really interesting, Marie, you mention about Super Friends because that show never really made it to Europe at all. I don't remember it ever airing on any time when we were kids, at least. It was something, I think, that eventually was released on DVD over here or was available on some of the cartoon networks,

[01:13:54] but it was never something that we saw as kids over here at all. We had a very limited number of channels and kids weren't treated with lots and lots of cartoons to watch. So we never got Super Friends. So, again, that's probably why our experience of Green Lantern is pretty limited. Yeah. No, it is. But thank you so much for the feedback, Marie. Absolutely. Also on email, we have our feedback in from Coffee and Vodka, who says, Greetings, fellow Mindbender defenders. Very much a part one of two closure.

[01:14:23] Not much to say until next week's episode. Still a great setup with a generationally damaged father and son theme. One more week, four stranded sinestros, goopy gateways, and accusatory wanters out of five. Peace and take care, Coffee and Vodka. Thanks, Coffee and Vodka. Yep, it is very much a part one of two. It is a penultimate episode before our finale. But it did. You're right. It's like the generational damage father-son theme was great. Great setup.

[01:14:52] It's a strong setup for how they're going to play these two broken X-lanterns. Well, can you call John an X-lantern if he only wore it for a few minutes? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can. Thanks, Coffee and Vodka. Absolutely. Thanks, Coffee and Vodka. We also got some feedback over on Facebook from Penny Lennox who had this to say, I'm sure I'm not the only one to experience next-level anxiety at the reality of only 5%

[01:15:22] charge remaining on the ring. Every time Hallogram popped up, it just added to my intense stress. Yes, Penny. I am the exact same. I have never got my phone down to 5%. Right now, it is at 47%. And even that's like, ooh, it's going to need to be charged at some point. You would hate my life at the moment. The thing to plug in my phone broke about three and a half years ago.

[01:15:51] So the only way I can charge my phone is to lie it flat on an external charger. I can't plug in the phone anywhere. So if I don't bring that with me, my phone dies. And I have to charge my phone twice a day now because I've had it for about six years. So yeah, so I very, very often get under 10% and have the warnings flashing up. And then it's like, we are slowing down your use of everything at the moment. It will be dead soon. So yeah, so I understand the feeling, but I get it very often, unfortunately.

[01:16:20] Living life on the edge. Oh my God. Oh my God. Thanks so much, Penny. Great to hear from you. Yes. Thank you so much. Let's move on over to our Discord server. First up, Richard Blades gives his thoughts on this episode. He said, so penultimate episode always seemed to fall into two camps for me. There's the balls out action episode that leads the finale to clear up all the story arcs from the season. Then there's camp two where it's frustrating, slow paced one that drags the episode out for as long as it can so that the finale can go all in.

[01:16:50] For me, this week's episode hopefully fell into camp two. Don't get me wrong. The dynamic between Hal and John and Kerry at times was fantastic. And I'm not tired of these interactions, but just felt a bit too like a dull side quest to travel from A to B to C, then back to A again. Really hope they can land the last episode next week and don't leave too many threads open and unanswered. It would be a shame if this series ends up a damp squib. Well, I'll agree with you on that. I really hope the series doesn't end up with a damn script.

[01:17:18] I think I have really enjoyed the episodes a little more than you have throughout the season, Richard. But I think they are driving towards an episode that does have to answer a lot of questions and does have to wrap up a lot. So I'm intrigued to see how to do it, definitely. Yeah, I'm with you.

[01:17:39] I'm ashamed that you're not enjoying it as much, Richard, but I have high hopes that this is going to kind of land the finale. I don't think it's going to be the damp squib, as you said. But even if it does, it was a good seven episodes. So I can't, as a whole of a season, I'm like, eh, no, one episode. If you can't land a plane, it's fine. Because then they can just say, oh, it was all about how it was not being able to land planes.

[01:18:09] Not being able to land planes. Definitely from these last two episodes. But thanks, Richard. We also got some feedback from Joe Herbst who had this to say. I expected a half flashback, but I thought it would be longer. Still good. Seems like a lot to wrap up in next week's episode. I wondered how much will get pushed till the next season. Though, has it been officially renewed? Nope. Nope. Nope. Not at all.

[01:18:37] In addition to the mystery of Hal's death, Sinestro, if there's another Manhunter, etc., the big one will be, will John have a recharge working ring by the end? Yeah, there's a lot. There is a lot to wrap up, and I think they'll probably land a lot of it. But I think there'll just be points that they'll kind of hint at for a possible next season. Yeah. Or they'll do something. Because, again, we keep forgetting this is now a connected DC universe.

[01:19:07] So potentially we'll have Sinestro in Man of Tomorrow next year. You know, something like that. You never know where it's going to go in the universe. But as of right now, we haven't had an official renewal for Lanterns. It would be great to have that. But even though there is a page, I think, already on IMDB for the first episode of Season 2, we haven't seen an official renewal yet. So let's find out next week. Do-do-do! Great stuff. Thanks, Joe.

[01:19:36] Oh, just squeezing in some feedback from Paolo, which came in just after myself and Chris recorded last night. Paolo says,

[01:20:09] Things I didn't like. The Harry Potter Island at the centre of the lake. The missing lantern to recharge the ring. It gives me anxiety. So, overall, I was disappointed and hope the final episode will resolve a few things. No scoring this week. I'd probably be a bit too harsh. Thanks, Paolo, for your feedback on the episode. Yeah, I guess a bit of a mixed reaction to this episode. I hope our podcast added a couple of other things to be a bit more interested in. I knew they squeezed in another Harry Potter reference that I didn't notice. The Harry Potter Island.

[01:20:39] That makes loads and loads of sense. But yeah, great moment there with the hologram. Finally giving some kind of compliment to John and him being really happy to get a bit of a compliment. It's an important moment for the two of them. Great stuff. Thanks, Paolo. I'll hand you back to the other bit of feedback that we got in and talked about last night. Finally, we had some feedback in from Paul Tenshi Lee who says,

[01:21:02] I am enjoying what appears to be some mid-story episodes of another arc that can't possibly be wrapped up in one finale, even if they make it two hours long. Great to see Kyle Chandler play a less dickish, jaded, tired version of Hal. And I love how the hologram is acting like the kooky but fair trainer that John wanted. I can't tell if it's deliberate that the hologram doesn't seem to remember his deployment by the water tower in 2016 because it would have caught at least the sight of Zoe.

[01:21:29] Also, all the kudos to Kelly MacDonald for portraying like five different emotions on meeting the hologram. Finally, a theory about where Hal might have gotten the goo ball Einstein Rosenbridge. I think he got it from Anton Stache or perhaps even from the last member of his team. There's at least one unaccounted for driver from their time going to the ranch. He could have gone to Anton's hideout in Coast City and found the goo ball there.

[01:21:53] If he collected other alien tech as a lantern, he could have hid stuff on himself while in jail and facilitated Sinestro's escape and located to Anton's world. I guess we've got lots of stuff to find out next week. Thanks, Paul. Great feedback there. That's a really interesting theory that potentially all Hal had to do was just hide a black goo ball on himself when he went to prison and then he might have been able to walk in and out of prison whenever he wanted to. Where would you hide the black goo ball, though?

[01:22:22] I don't want to answer that, Chris. I don't want to answer that. I have an answer, but I'm not going to answer it. Yep, yep. Prison wallet. I think we all know. Exactly. Yes. In your prison wallet. And with that said, thank you so much to all of you for your feedback. Thanks so much for sending it into us. Keep watching along. Keep sending in your feedback. We will be back with our finale episode, episode eight, Dirt and Stars next week.

[01:22:45] We'll be recording next Monday, but we will be doing a wrap-up episode with the final pub quiz questions answered after that. So if you do miss the deadline to get feedback in for the final episode next week before we record, keep sending it in to us and we'll talk about it on our wrap-up episode as well.

[01:23:01] Yes, and just remember to subscribe to all of our feeds by heading on over to tvpodcastindustries.com because you can make sure you do not miss any of our upcoming shows because we will be covering the one and only Vision Quest. The end of the WandaVision trilogy? Can we call it that now?

[01:23:30] Yeah, it is a trilogy. They're calling it a trilogy. They are calling it a trilogy. Great. Okay. Great. They're saying they don't do second seasons of shows and then went, oh, actually, here's three seasons that all make up one show. That's what we planned all along. Of course. It was Agatha all along. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yes. So, yes, as Chris said, you can subscribe over on tvpodcastindustries.com to the podcast.

[01:23:56] You will get our Avengers Endgame encore chat, mostly about the post-credit scenes because, well, we've already done a podcast about Avengers Endgame and there wasn't anything brand new there. So come over and have a listen to what we thought about those extra scenes and how they connect into Doomsday if you've seen the movie. If you haven't got to see the movie, big recommendation is if you've never seen it in IMAX, go see it in IMAX because it's a great film, right? Yeah. And nothing's changed up to the end, so you just get to watch a great film in IMAX. So, yeah.

[01:24:26] A really good one. Yes, definitely. Definitely. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll speak to you again next time. Yes. Thank you so much for joining us. And remember, fellow lanterns, keep watching, keep listening and keep shining a light. Bye. Bye.