The Boys Podcast Season 4 Episode 5

[00:00:00] This is the boys podcast on TV Podcast Industries and we're talking about season four episode five. Beware the Jabberwock, my son. Be from the V. Yeah. I thought that's what you wanted. You fell out of your coat.

[00:00:12] I don't understand. Why did you bring it if you didn't want to use it? Look, I wanted to. I did. But then I didn't. Okay. It's just that I've seen that go wrong so many times.

[00:00:26] Well, it's kind of the right sometimes, right? I mean, otherwise, I wouldn't be any soups. Welcome back, fellow boys and girls to our fifth podcast episode from season four of The Boys.

[00:01:03] This is episode five. Beware of the Jabberwock, my son. I am one of your hosts, John. And we, of course, I must warn you of my two Jabberwocky hosts as well. Thanks. I'm one of your hosts, Derek. They sound like basically Jabber the hook when you say that.

[00:01:29] Why Jabber, why Jabber the hook when French at the end there? I have no idea. You're never going to know. Secretly, he's a bit French. He might be. Yeah. Kind of a snail out of a shell in garlic. Maybe. Escargot. Escargot. Tatooine.

[00:01:46] That's a really weird aside to get to in the show. I know there's definitely references to Disney in this episode, so I guess that's the part of the reason why Disney is on your mind. It might be, yeah. Exactly.

[00:01:57] Yeah. Yeah. We should probably mention we were supposed to be covering Star Wars, The Acolytes. We've mentioned in our Facebook group that we're not unfortunately able to fit it into our schedule at the moment. Three episodes into The Acolytes and there's

[00:02:09] loads to cover in The Boys at the moment and we don't have as much time at this time of the year as we thought we would. So we were hoping to do a wrap up of Star Wars Acolytes

[00:02:18] after the show finishes once it finishes. I think it's five episodes or six episodes. Once that finishes up, we'll hopefully come back and have a chat about all the feedback that you guys have been sending in to us on Star Wars The Acolytes and your thoughts on that.

[00:02:30] Absolutely. We're certainly watching it, but it's just timing wise for being able to do podcasts. It's just not working out and also we were kind of put on the back foot by the fact that we were on holiday when it came out.

[00:02:46] Yeah. But we hope you're enjoying that and we hope you're enjoying The Boys season four as well. Yeah. Remember fellow boys and girls if you are new to the podcast or even if you are a well-worn fellow industrialist and boy and girl. Just as a reminder,

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[00:03:48] episode of The Boys. Whilst I'm in the rhythm, it is a reminder of our continuing pub quiz for season four, which we will have our next question, question five from this season. So gather together

[00:04:07] all of the answers as we go through each episode of The Boys this season and send them into feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com to be in with a chance of getting your hands on some

[00:04:21] of The Boys goodies. Yeah, absolutely. Just sending your answers at the end of the season after all eight episodes have been released when we do our wrap up podcast, we will be announcing the winner of the pub quiz. Yep, just make sure that the right answers,

[00:04:32] you can send in the wrong answers if you want. Right answers are always good, then you're in with a chance. We will be checking. Yeah, with all that said and done, should we jump into our spoiler filled discussion for this episode with episode details from Derrick. Do you

[00:04:50] want to tell us who gave us what we're wearing and how? Absolutely, once again, showrunner for the show is Eric Kripke. This is based on the comic series by Garth Ennis and Derrick Robertson. The executive producers of the show are Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. And this episode

[00:05:03] was written by Judalina Neera. She is a producer on The Boys. This is her first writing credit for the show, but she was involved in over 30 episodes of CW superhero show The Flash as well. Wow. Give that person a medal. Yeah, she deserves it.

[00:05:19] Yeah. And I don't know, a vineyard as well. I think definitely needs it after that. Now remember, The Flash is 22 episodes seasons, so 30 episodes only about a season and a half of the 25 season. Well, that's even more so. Which season did they come in on?

[00:05:39] Because first season I liked. Yeah. First couple were okay. Yeah, like with most of the CW superhero shows, I really enjoyed the first two. And then they just kind of like descended into

[00:05:52] the usual tropes of my mother was an alcoholic, my father was a drug addict. And you know... Now I'm a superhero. Wait, that's The Boys. I know, but it's just done better.

[00:06:05] Oops. Well, you can find that on IMDb.com. I do know, but I'm not going to tell you given your responses to it. No. So the direct episode itself was directed by Shanna Stein. She directed the penultimate episode of Gen V season one as well. So

[00:06:20] interesting because there's some Gen V connections in this episode too. Yeah, certainly are. Yeah. Very blatant ones, a lot more than just a quick still in the last episode. So a lot more connections. Or a tenuous theory like you have as well.

[00:06:34] It's a very tenuous theory, I'm sure. Kind of a bloodline theory, I guess. John, do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for The Boys season four episode five? Beware the jabberwock of my son.

[00:06:46] Sure. It's the annual V52 Expo powered by fans, four fans worse, super fans gather glimps at Vought's up and coming slate of exciting new superhero films and TV projects. But the backstage drama is the main event as we glimpse the terrifying influence Homelander is having on

[00:07:07] Ryan. Meanwhile, Huey helps his father find peace by letting him go and a train gets nervous as sister Sage hunts for the leak inside Vought Tower. Butcher and The Boys team up with two very unlikely allies to search for a virus that could be the key to stopping

[00:07:28] Homelander once and for all. Yes, and that's the virus from Gen V that we were talking about. It certainly is. That's the direct connection into The Boys season four. Like we were told when we were recovering the season one of Gen V that will connect directly into

[00:07:41] The Boys season four. So yeah, living up to that promise. Yeah, it will also have tech night in here as well. So loads of connections here with Gen V. Absolutely. And also this is the first episode I certainly felt targeted in here with V52

[00:08:00] like the D23 Expo that we get excited about every year sharing all the slate of upcoming movies and TV shows in the future phases from nine to seventeen. That was hilarious. That was the funniest moment. Absolutely loved it.

[00:08:17] I will actually see that and go the funniest moment was tech night going. Well, we haven't had a tech night film in over a year. So you know what that means? We're rebooting.

[00:08:29] Yes, the tech night clearly a dig at the Batman even calls out that it's going to have lots of Nirvana music in it and a 12 minutes scene all in complete darkness as the audience applaud and give their approval for the new direction of the reboot of tech night.

[00:08:44] Yeah, I think it's a weird one we were talking about it when tech night appeared in Gen V that he's kind of the Batman or Iron Man standing for The Boys universe very, very specifically

[00:08:56] called out here that he is the Batman. That's the one they're basing it on here. All the perverted Hercules Poirot. I think they were just taking their inspiration from comics though, John. Yeah, no, I don't know. I doubt they've read that much out of the Christie.

[00:09:10] But I'm sure. Miss Marple. Will we get into our Boys 7 and outstanding moments from the episode guys? Let's do it. Yes, absolutely. Let us get on with our Boys moments from this episode. Wee, wee.

[00:09:28] John, do you want to kick us off with your Boys moment for the episode? Yeah, it's just the arc of Hugh senior through this episode really. Like we saw that Hughie's mom had given his dad compound V there through the drip and

[00:09:50] ultimately we see here that Hugh senior is really not entirely sure what's happened. He's a little bit discombobulated in a sense, but it's just as we go through this episode, we see him kind of starting to get forgetful and not realizing that Daphne has left the room

[00:10:12] and then saying well was Daphne. Yeah. And as this episode goes on then we see the manifestation of the powers of the V compound taking effect on Hughie's dad and it just gets really, really horrendous.

[00:10:36] And it's more because like in and of itself the powers are really cool. It's like he can phase through solid matter which actually again we saw kids in Gen V being able to pass through the walls but this is almost like a

[00:10:52] the flash type of way he sort of oscillates and vibrates at the frequency where he can pass through solid matter which leads to like I think to me sort of a very memorable scene

[00:11:08] of him running through the walls and then stopping in the middle of someone's bed with the patient in the bed so that when he then solidifies again there's just this huge

[00:11:22] all the guts, this explosion of blood as this guy is killed but again it seems to come with almost a temper though as well or just a frustration because yes he's doing this but

[00:11:39] he's not understanding where he is, what time period it is. It almost felt slightly like is he losing his memory like a dementia type thing because you know he's remembering Hughie as an 11 year old looking for toys. He's remembering Daphne very soon after she had left him

[00:12:01] and the anger sort of around that and then not knowing where he is and it's sort of manifesting in this really sort of almost like fight or flight responses where he's either you know

[00:12:18] suddenly panicked about where he is so he starts to run or he feels confronted so begins to attack and it gets to a point where Hughie has to kind of step in because he is moving in to effectively kill

[00:12:33] Daphne after causing like huge amounts of a few deaths in the hospital or chaos in the in the hospital overall. I just thought it was you know this was really kind of quite poignant because it's almost like he's aging really quick with the V compound as I say

[00:12:53] because it's almost like some form of dementia and in the end Hughie and Daphne and Huesenia you know is effectively put to sleep like a pet or through you know euthanised effectively assisted death like you have for example in Switzerland so you know really kind of

[00:13:21] poignant this arc I wasn't expecting it to play out like this and see the death of Hughie's dad just because even though he's been an off-screen presence he has been that presence and mainly

[00:13:36] from the first season you know primarily but you've had snippets or references back to him and of course then you know in the last few episodes here for season four. Yeah well I think what makes the whole scene so poignant is because

[00:13:53] Hugh senior has always been this quiet unassuming guy who yes he stood up and took care of his son when his wife left but he just seemed like a very simple character that's just willing to get

[00:14:04] through the day and get to the next day you know he gets excited about them going out to get him a bottle of Snapple you know that's how mundane he is he gets obsessed by you know

[00:14:13] what type of pizza a pizza roll he was going to buy for dinner that's the things that account for his day and here he is hooked up on Gen V not knowing what's happening Hughie points out the reason why

[00:14:24] he's going through these problems with his brain is because he had gone past the point of brain death when he was given Gen V so some of his brain had already died like a dementia patient so

[00:14:34] he is going through that experience not over and over again and not knowing what's happening so seeing this really mild managed character getting these Gen V powers completely unable to use them you know if he'd been going to Gadochon University and having these incidents they may have covered

[00:14:49] it up as Vaught did for many students that were in that university but here he is an older man who should have died being given Compound V and not knowing how to how to use it and you know

[00:15:00] taking out the violence on Daphne you know it's it's it's awful to see because it's the character that he is you know there's a moment of hope early on in the episode we were joking

[00:15:10] a couple of episodes ago Chris that I was saying the reason that they were bringing in Daphne was because well Simon pegged quite a big actress and you know some of the biggest movies in the world

[00:15:17] so maybe they can't get him in for the future so they're bringing another parent to replace them there's a moment of hope earlier on the episode where you're going well okay actually they've given them Gen V there's only two seasons left maybe they'll have them as another

[00:15:27] superhero and super-powered member member of the team but yeah it's it's the boys it's gonna happen yeah I'm so glad they cast Simon Pegg back in the days now we look we know there's there is the link between

[00:15:41] the boys and Simon Pegg and all that but for me this was so interesting because it's just really gave Simon Pegg his ability to be the actor that he is and really be that character

[00:15:55] and that actor that he has the chops to be so I loved him since John the dead and this is just him really kind of leaning into that absolutely fantastic yeah yeah he's great isn't he we

[00:16:08] loved him although back to space been such a great character and also really cool that he actually turns around to Huey and calls them we Huey my wee Huey which is what the character

[00:16:17] was called and then the boys comic books as well so he actually gets to say that out loud in the episode as well yeah that's my protagonist moment so Derek what's your protagonist moment

[00:16:28] my boys moment is kind of their manipulation to get Stan Egger back in back in in the ranks of the boys he almost joins the boys sort of the team up right so Stan Egger in a

[00:16:40] low to medium security prison I guess after being sent there effectively because of Victoria last season and Billy has a plan to get Stan Egger out this is the connection as we said to Gen V

[00:16:53] he's he should be aware of the fact that there was a virus out there that can kill soups they want to know they want to use Stan to find where Victoria would have been working on the virus

[00:17:04] that she stole from from Gdalkin University at the end of last season so they go in with almost a Hannibal Lecture like offer for him that he's able to get out of prison and he'll have

[00:17:17] a full pardon from the president Robert Singer has signed off that he will get a full pardon and even though he doesn't take up that offer Billy thinks on his feet and realizes the other

[00:17:26] thing that was important to him was family was Victoria and Zoe her daughter and Billy tells him that not only will he get a full pardon we'll make sure that you get custody of Zoe so

[00:17:35] you can take care of her unlike her mother who shot her up a jet with me exactly I mean it's one of those moments like I always loved the character of Stanley Edgar yeah in this show played by the

[00:17:49] wonderful Jean Carlo Esposito and he's so good isn't it he's really good and it's just this kind of cameo back in and you're like oh I love that kind of dynamic and that tone

[00:18:03] and you know he's got such a great put down turn of phrase like after he's pulled he comes out and he's like do you have a towel I can sit on yeah you know what not wanting to grubby his his suit

[00:18:18] by putting his ass on the back seat of the car that he's about to head west to go to Newman's kind of country house in the middle of nowhere yeah and and just you know what

[00:18:34] a delightful surprise that you're here and Annie January you know it's just really really good turn of phrase it just adds that classy dynamic here even though he was the CEO and the face of

[00:18:49] evil in a sense absolutely yeah and yeah I really enjoyed him coming back here and loved you know actually that they do put him in absolute jeopardy here that oh yeah given it's the boys given what happens in these episodes he could genuinely have been caught

[00:19:11] by one of those zombie sheep yeah yeah they do they really do put them in jeopardy in the episode and interestingly I know this is the protagonist moment but interestingly Stan Agar does get away at the end and not through the software that the boys give them

[00:19:27] Victoria explodes the police officer is escorting him back to prison she explodes his head and frees Stan Agar back out into the wild again so we may be seeing Jean Carlos but he'll be back

[00:19:38] in the future yeah definitely unfortunately Chris had to step out so myself and John are going to continue the podcast on everything's fine just a little thing to take care of and so let's move on

[00:19:48] to our antagonist moment for the episode you're not the real heroes I'm the real hero John what's your antagonist moment from the episode it's kind of Ryan gets sinister again you know there's last few episodes here where it feels like he has um wanted to escape the

[00:20:14] I guess the weight and claustrophobia of being Homeland's son he's gone to uh Billy Butcher here try sort of making a connection with Billy um but here with the events of um Homeland uh

[00:20:36] going back to his past whilst it's not how I would have expressed it there's a weight that's been lifted from Homeland to the point that he saw that he was being controlled by others and

[00:20:51] recognizes on reflection that he's been doing the same with Ryan and wants to allow Ryan to be himself and explore who he is and it comes off initially as being quite altruistic

[00:21:08] he wants to help people as he wants to help Adam's assistant uh Adam being the director kind of lead creator for Vought TV and movies who earlier in the episode has been trying to get him to do

[00:21:24] his first TV show effectively which is a teen school sort of uh shows which Ryan doesn't really want to do yeah just quickly I do like that Homelander um said it's fine if Ryan doesn't

[00:21:38] want to do it and then uh tells Adam to give him his uh his uh black credit card and Adam gives gives him his wallet and then he tells him to give the keys of Adam's car to Ryan um Ryan takes

[00:21:50] them and what I love about it is the next scene when the two of them are walking down the hallway together Ryan still has his key to his car and his wallet I thought he I thought it

[00:21:58] Homelander going doing it as a joke there's no jokes with Homelander but I thought Ryan would at least give them back to Adam before he left the room but now he has his car and a black

[00:22:06] credit card yeah exactly um but I like how this kind of morphs really into something quite sinister were you know going from I want to help people and him asking Adam to effectively be polite

[00:22:23] and to apologize to his assistant for how he has treated her you know it gets kind of increasingly awkward where then Adam says you know go down on uh your knees and apologize properly because you know Homelander can hear the heartbeats whether it's Adam has been genuine

[00:22:42] or not and in the end um you know still feel he's not being sincere and so tells Adam's assistant to effectively slap him again and again we just get this fairly sort of sinister smile leaking

[00:22:58] across Ryan's face as he realizes like the power that he has here and you're just like wondering you know where is Ryan's headspace here and it feel is is he just seesawing between what he wants

[00:23:15] what he think he wants how he's something that's being sort of sold to him as being really good but here it's almost like how we saw um the seven early on in season one seemingly helping yeah but ultimately being threatening and a bit sinister with it and

[00:23:45] potentially you know with the potential to kill uh there's a lot of you know you just don't know what's going to happen here in this moment to Adam yeah and and whilst there is the pullback

[00:24:00] from any kind of death yeah i murder just the general feeling of that potential being there is really really good yeah and and really what Homelander's exposed to Ryan is the power he

[00:24:13] can have if he wants to help people he can help people but it doesn't have to be you tell someone what you want them to do you can also force them to be more and more aggressive and that might might

[00:24:25] set the right message in their head you know so it's about how Homelander's packaged this to Ryan really and overall that conversation they have in the corridor where Homelander says to him

[00:24:34] as you say I you know I've learned that I was doing the same thing to you as the scientists did to me in the past from now on there's no rules for you and none for me either

[00:24:45] is what Homelander says again in the back of your head when you hear Homelander say something like that you're going oh no what does this mean there's no more rules for Homelander there were

[00:24:52] rules before what was he what was he following um and he says to he says to Ryan you're the only person whose opinion matters to me in the entire world from now on nothing else exists on

[00:25:02] this planet other than me and you and this is this is father son team up if he gets Ryan more on side and that's what he's trying to do here manipulating him to his side um Ryan has a

[00:25:11] major problem with him because Ryan effectively murdered the stuntman accidentally um accidentally killed I guess uh the stuntman at his first save and got no remorse from Homelander for it now Homelander's packaging up something for him that can sell him on the idea that the two of

[00:25:28] them father and son can lead the world with their parents it's interesting in that in him questioning the tv show that Adam's trying to pitch to him Ryan goes why are you trying to set up this

[00:25:39] teen training school for for the people you know in in his mind he's he's powered he's got he's got his powers he isn't going to school he isn't becoming a student to learn how to use

[00:25:49] his powers um so he's going why are you packaging this all up this doesn't make any sense to me so I thought that was an interesting question from Ryan yeah yeah no absolutely and

[00:25:58] it's that whole move of Ryan seemingly possibly becoming on side with Billy but now the pendulum seems to be swinging back with Homelander because as you say the way it's been sold to him by Homelander whether there's any less manipulation from Homelander's side here it's just the

[00:26:18] attractiveness of the offer I guess ultimately yeah exactly exactly um from my seven moments my antagonist moment for the episode I want to talk about the v52 expo I know we made a couple

[00:26:30] of references earlier on but it's the whole packaging of the v52 expo that really gets me uh d23 is the uh the festival effectively that disney has every year based on the fact they were

[00:26:41] founded in 1923 so they do a festival every year showing off all of the new product all the new stuff for all of their fans you know um and this is clearly supposed to represent

[00:26:51] what disney and marvel have been doing yeah every year at that san diego comic con their big state stage presentation where they do their plan five years ahead and tell you all their

[00:27:00] movies and tv shows and as we mentioned earlier on it's a it's a time of year that's really exciting for us as podcasters for that type of content and those type of shows we get really

[00:27:08] excited about it but here you can see the other side of it you can see how vaut sells themselves to their shareholders and to their audience they even use the similar lines that we see from san diego comic con of by fans for fans you know yeah

[00:27:23] but among them all I think there's just some really funny moments you know we mentioned tech nice being on stage about a reboot happening for his movie because it's been a whole year

[00:27:30] since the last one yeah there's a there's a moment when a train comes up on stage to talk about the movie that we saw clips of us last week we saw will ferrell last week and the

[00:27:39] week before well ferrell in this uh blindside version of uh of a train story um where you can tell there's a little bit of sick come open his mouth where he's saying this movie

[00:27:48] that's so close to my heart I can't wait for you all to see it and then and then he they have a little dig at a secret secret invasion uh where a train says about his new tv show

[00:27:59] double standards which which he says it's just finishing doing the reshoots of the reshoots making it the most expensive tv show that the vaut network has ever produced which means it must be great everybody yay which is a little bit of a dig on unfortunately

[00:28:13] secret invasion which is known as the most expensive and least watched of the marvel tv shows yeah oh well never mind hey not everybody likes everything that's out there rash and just shows you you know it's referenced in the boys reference so there must be some good

[00:28:31] and then the other big thing that happens in the episode in the in the v52 expo is we get to see two of the major characters from um gen v we get to see the return of sam and case from from the

[00:28:44] series sam still quite significantly in thrall of case um he seems like he's just still doing her bidding almost and saying the words that she wants him to say they're making their own um

[00:28:54] their own comedy uh freaky friday style comedy where they swap brains into each other's body which again given what happened in gen v is quite an interesting concept to turn into a comedy movie

[00:29:05] but i just like i love seeing them back out here love seeing them take that center stage in that moment on the stage of the v52 yeah definitely yeah it's quite cool wasn't it

[00:29:15] so yeah seeing uh case and sam back there yeah for sure john with chris gone do you want to take chris's antagonist moment for the episode for his seven moment for the episode yeah it's um i guess

[00:29:26] it's a fairly big one it's uh victorian humans farm and everything that's going on here in terms of trying to find the virus that's left and that they come in and actually as we say

[00:29:39] it's victorian humans farm but it's also stan edgars it is stands here he knows where she would go and it has been converted into a sort of virology lab but this is looking like the experiments have

[00:29:52] escaped and indeed they have yeah there's not really an awful lot left here and importantly that dr samir is missing here so the the scientist and who has been entrusted by victorian human to

[00:30:11] and use and look at the virus and that was developed in gedalkin yeah she's she's looking to improve the virus because right now it's not capable of taking down a soup as big as homelander

[00:30:24] that's what she wants to wants to create and she couldn't create that with the previous scientist in gedalkin university so she's turned to dr samir here to try and do that

[00:30:33] and just wanted to check something really quickly is that is that a joke from stan egger when he arrives at this holiday home this like third or fourth home that he has um that the reason he

[00:30:43] doesn't go there is because of the smell of the farm is that what he's saying okay so i was wondering about that because he kind of goes oh the smell as he gets out but i guess countryside

[00:30:51] isn't isn't the place for stan egger at all and yeah i have to say when this when the scene opened and they went into the the verailles lab and everything was emptied all the things were

[00:31:00] gone i was almost convinced that this was going to be the rest of our gen v characters the other four and i thought they'd come in stolen all the equipment gotten the virus back effectively because

[00:31:12] they were aware of it from uh from the end of last of the first season of gen v that's where they would be going they're on the trail uh to find this virus but that doesn't seem to be the

[00:31:20] case yeah absolutely and yeah it's kind of interesting moments here i guess with this farm walk or from hell that happens as they start to try and find um dr samio but we come across

[00:31:37] souped up chickens which i thought was hilarious because as they're searching the farm looking for dr samio they find this body of again one of his assistants and in the the chicken barn

[00:31:50] with a hole through his midriff as then one of the other security detail gets taken out by effectively a flying chicken absolutely and the guy who had the whole through them had two eggs

[00:32:01] laid yeah exactly they started laying eggs um so and then it just gets crazier it gets crazier we have a v dope ball and then v dope flying sort of vampiric sort of sheep and it almost

[00:32:22] reminded me yeah it almost reminded me of that new zealand horror movie and of zombie sheep i was thinking exactly the same yeah black sheep which i thought was really good i really enjoyed it

[00:32:34] yeah you know in fairness i was thinking watching the episode i was going are these vdp sheep too much for me they've gone too far here and it actually they must have on the writer's mind as

[00:32:43] well because frenchie reminds me or reminded me that uh they had uh v'd up gerbils the first season i think that was first or second season so we've seen this before we've seen animals

[00:32:55] then the steak was starting their experiments with with gerbils and hamsters and v so yeah i kind of liked how it ramped up the crazy here with the the v'd up farm animals and we we see

[00:33:11] earlier on billy releasing one of the experimental bunnies fraught from the lab and then seeing that the bunny is dead and actually and with again what looks like kind of two kind of worm things

[00:33:27] coming out of its size and as i say i looked at that and you're kind of going okay so are they similar to the worms that were coming out the mouth of victorian humans child tentacles yeah

[00:33:39] there's kind of tentacles yeah and therefore is it similar to what we're seeing with bindi butchers this a sort of foreshadowing of what billy is to expect because all we're hearing from billy is that by him taking the the v compound he's just actually accelerated

[00:33:59] at the time when he's going to die and so is this how he will go out it will be kind of almost like an explosion of some form of tentacle out of his body do you think do you think it's something to

[00:34:14] do with the homelander version of compound v that he's giving to people because he gave it to zoe uh newman's daughter and she's got the tentacles coming out of her mouth um i presume billy the strain

[00:34:28] that billy got was from frenchie says so is that connected to homelander's version of company it's just because in this episode we see hugh senior getting compound v and he doesn't have any tentacle

[00:34:40] connections at all although that was definitely homelander's style so yeah so i don't know i don't know and i don't know why this kind of this sort of similar look is being seen now like with the

[00:34:53] rabbit yeah i mean i'm speculating around that's what uh-huh inside billy butcher but something killed zekeel and and also then just having seen victoria newman's daughter in the the first episode and again maybe it's just foreshadowing that this is some kind of dominant strain in the

[00:35:17] v compound yeah of how it works so i guess we'll have to see but ultimately they are um held up in one of the barns with the flying meat eating sheep and uh they see that there's only one

[00:35:33] syringe left they do find dr smear so they bait uh one of the bodies so that the sheep will take them and then hopefully will die of the virus as well exactly exactly one final but there is that question

[00:35:48] of do they escape with this kind of approach yeah or is the single syringe left so valuable that they're gonna have to risk it and try and make a run for it yeah and without any form of kind of

[00:36:09] baiting and killing the sheep they're just gonna have to make a run for it and hope for the best of which stan is like they're gonna get me because you know uh i'm old absolutely but i love that

[00:36:20] moment because it's finally when it all gets broken down billy's willing to sacrifice absolutely everybody whether they're friends or whether they're soups or whether they're enemies he's willing to sacrifice absolutely everybody for this one shot of taking out

[00:36:34] homelander um we also you know we hear we hear them debate debate us all together as to whether they're whether they're gonna go do it exactly as he said stan eggers gonna go and if we're

[00:36:44] gonna go for a run for it then i'm dead straight away so why would i be in on that plan um the one question i absolutely loved of the whole thing was when they were saying how

[00:36:52] does the virus transmit to other people and they're told it's through semen saliva and blood um and then they said they're gonna inject one of the dead scientists and friendship goes but he's in no state to have sex with the sheep as you're gonna pass along

[00:37:07] and everybody just kind of looks at him going uh the blood i know i also i did like that and mother's milk going you know i've got hives here as he's trying to you know sort of break it down and calm everyone down after billy has effectively said

[00:37:23] like you're all expendable to me he goes like i've got hives here and he lays some home truths on on everyone but with billy he says you know billy you're a mofo um

[00:37:37] but with a heart you know like get a grip of yourself exactly you're not as bad as as what you're saying here exactly but ultimately they do manage to escape a few of the security

[00:37:52] detail due to get taken out but importantly it seems as though dr samir is taken by the sheep before they actually die and and it's only later that we see that butcher has hidden

[00:38:09] samir removed um one of his legs from the knee down and as evidence that he was taken by the psychotic sheep but so that he can make more of the virus and he is taking the control here to try

[00:38:31] and create and manufacture more of the virus and so he has the power to control these soups because for him newman is equally a target yeah absolutely at the conversations he's having with joe kezler

[00:38:48] is about taking out all soups because he's trying to justify to him well kamiko is a good soup you know she can do a job yeah um starlight okay yeah can kill her if need be you know effectively

[00:39:05] and it is also looks like that chris was right and that joe kezler is a figment of billy butcher's imagination or memories yeah it seems like it doesn't because you know that that seem where

[00:39:21] he's on the bench in the public and chris chris kind of going unless i see him talking to somebody else then i'm convinced this is somebody else in uh in billy butcher's mind and i thought they'd stage

[00:39:31] that quite well they have made side in the park and they're they're chatting away but then he starts talking about the individual information that he wouldn't the only billy butcher really would know about all the rest of the people that are in his group there's files of course

[00:39:43] and the stuff that you'd know but it's so recent that it's happening that joe kezler spouting that stuff back to uh to billy about each the member of the team feels like it can only come

[00:39:52] from billy's mind but then at the end when um he's telling uh dr samir that he needs to use him for the virus he says we'll take care of you you'll do it for us and looks at where joe kezler should

[00:40:06] be and then you see samir trying to look and see who he's looking at so it's really in the eyes of uh of dr samir that that tell you that joe kezler isn't there at all yeah definitely um

[00:40:19] so yeah really really good little action sequence here again with stan edger with victoria newman it's gonna interesting team up here was um and yeah one that okay i think just plays out quite nicely

[00:40:33] for me to be honest yeah it is funny isn't it we were talking the last episode about the seriousness of this season that seems to be more serious and everybody's going through

[00:40:42] much deeper things it seems this season and then a scene like this comes in with uh with flying killer sheep and it seems completely in congress and then you think back and all the stuff we've

[00:40:51] seen over the last few seasons you know everything from uh the exploding whale the dolphin going through the front window of a car um you know the sex scenes with uh with the deep and octopuses

[00:41:03] um you know there's been octopi sorry um there's been so much craziness in all the shows the gerbil of course as frenchie mentions you know there's so much craziness and then it's probably because we're five episodes into the show and there hasn't been a crazy scene like

[00:41:16] flying killer uh sheep yeah before so it seemed a bit out there but there is definitely precedence in the show so far so um we go on to our outstanding moments john yeah at mine is

[00:41:27] continuing on the a train and ashley alliance here but more that we have here a train admitting to ashley that he's the leak of footage showing that you know um the guys were innocent

[00:41:46] from team starlight yes and so on i kind of like this because actually the thing i did quite kind of quite like by the v 52 expo is just that you know you have all this razzamata's going on

[00:42:00] in the wings you have a number of different conversations yeah between different people such as cameron coal and the deep and so on one of them is this with a train coming up to ashley effectively getting increasingly sort of spooked by sister sage and her investigation as to

[00:42:21] who leaked this footage and him then admitting yeah the footage didn't just run itself out there did it no exactly like it's all too close to comfort yeah but it leads to my mind the best line

[00:42:37] of the season from ashley because again it is um a fan expo it is connected to disney in a sense or that sense of it which also includes star wars and she effectively says after he's told

[00:42:55] it and they like we're in this together you need to protect me you're embroiled in this as well and she literally says it as it is you know i talk one dump in homelander's toilet i didn't

[00:43:07] sign up for the rebel alliance and i have to say when she said this all my christmas came at once it was equally sort of just that dig at star wars but which i love but equally it was crude yeah

[00:43:25] it was just the whole randomness of the situation and how kind of obnoxious it was as we kind of discussed in the previous one then somehow a train is webbing her into this alliance and

[00:43:40] you know i've got your back you've got my back over stealing v versus putting a floater in homelander's toilet or now in this case being the leak of evidence that would completely

[00:43:56] disprove everything that is being uh messaged uh in social media and from from fort news and so i kind of really like this and interestingly one of those other conversations is where the

[00:44:13] newsreaser from fort news is saying well i've got to attack our side as well just to show that the some balance even though in a sense maybe it's half hearted or you know pretend there's some

[00:44:25] balance to pretend that there's some balance so yeah i kind of love this from a number of points to me it is the line of the season so far absolutely from ashley that's a great line

[00:44:37] and that's why it's in my outstanding moment excellent yeah i really like that it does make me question though um i do think that sage knows a train's responsible just because of her wording

[00:44:47] there on it didn't run itself out of there did it now a train i think she knows and the reason she's not saying it is kind of to the point of some of the feedback that we've had so far

[00:44:56] that sage has an ulterior plan that she's trying to build um that against homeland that she's trying to set up a couple of people around her i don't think she wants to turn in a train

[00:45:08] for punishment for what he did because she knows seeing how quickly homeland reacts to anybody that that goes against them a train would be dead the second she did yeah so i think she's

[00:45:17] trying to build up potentially a group around her that that when she has her plan in place a train can be involved in the plan but she's not willing to turn him over right now i think

[00:45:27] well that's it it's interesting because i kind of agree i think she knows is she keeping him there for protection like he would be the bigger threat so that she can throw him

[00:45:39] under the bus maybe need be yeah maybe um you know just comes out with that is it that actually you know like we see here v 52 that there is black at its you know oh god yeah so it's sage

[00:45:53] a train and black noir yeah and you kind of see her expression and you know she is the cleverest person in the world yeah and they are possibly not that impressed with how vort runs it's exposed

[00:46:10] what actually they want her to do yeah like this it's demeaning and so on and and she's not totally bought in yeah because of her intelligence yeah i absolutely meant to mention

[00:46:23] that at my point about v 52 the fact that they have the deep and Cameron Cole the two whitest of white characters presenting this brand new team up of uh two characters that identify as black and

[00:46:34] one that doesn't particularly identify being black noir because behind the mask and so they're setting all of this up in the way they're talking about it from their terms about how woke

[00:46:44] and a wonderful the company of vort is without any input from black characters is so demeaning as you say to uh to how sage is thinking and and then it goes into that whole advertising thing where

[00:46:57] they're saying that a white person that sees the deep new movie will see him carrying one product that appeals to a white person and then they've already defined what product will appear to a black person that's watching the exact same scene and it will present them with the

[00:47:10] advertising purpose purposely built for them you can just see everybody cringe at the thought of that that you know this is something that people are already doing in advertising um that content creators for marketing companies are able to create various versions of their products that

[00:47:27] will appeal to different segments of the audience so having someone like vault in control of that who are able to automatically replace that on their vault plus streaming network that it will just present products to to the audience that they're seeing

[00:47:41] from their racist point of view and in vault as well it just makes us again another great criticism of how marketing works for massive organizations like this yeah definitely my starting moment is involving camera girl as well we mentioned his moment with the deep I thought

[00:47:56] their conversation back and forth where effectively the deep's pissed off at him for revealing the fact that he lost his job as the head of the security division on on vnn and camera call saying

[00:48:08] I'll just do a retraction and did go and note the damage is already done so he's not willing to make up with camera Cole and then later on we hear that he's proposing that he's going to have

[00:48:17] sex with camera Cole's wife that evening as punishment for what Cameron's done and so what comes out of this is much bigger than I thought it was going to be because throughout the episode cameras it making more and more enemies among the group he also dumps

[00:48:33] Ashley and actually is so irritated by this the idea that Cameron Cole this low life stand in from Fox News effectively from vnn network would actually be turning her down on her advances and he says because he wants a dominatrix and that dominatrix has to be

[00:48:53] dominant of something and she's no longer dominant she's been knocked out of her power position in in vault so we see it all come to a head right at the end where homelander brings

[00:49:03] the entire group of all the soups including tech night and Sam and Kate from from gadoch and university at the guardians of gadoch and they all get involved to stand side by side with

[00:49:16] homelander and he turns them into now this fighting force that aren't there to ask for apologies or apologize to the population they are there to stand above humans be in control and the first moment they're asserted their control is taking out Cameron Cole

[00:49:33] well that says the seven or no longer celebrity yes but gods show me a little wrath as then actually Cameron Cole is killed off screen I guess so I'm thinking so I guess so

[00:49:46] everybody gets a good dig in and dig into him I would say so yeah little did Cameron Cole know when he was sort of dumping Ashley that that would come up to bite him in the ass effectively with

[00:50:03] Ashley and the atrain alliance mobilizing in a way to put the leak onto him so yeah I carry like this kind of these little moments yeah absolutely and again it's Cameron's not a character that I feel anyway sorry for for everything that he's done over the last

[00:50:22] three seasons of the show as well so this is Cameron Cole's come up and definitely again as Chris isn't here he did have an outstanding moment from the episode and it is a very important moment that happens towards the end of the episode where we see that Frenchy

[00:50:35] actually turns himself in for all of the violence and murders that he's done and there's a text that Kimiko's sending over to him where she's saying to him that she doesn't know what's wrong but she doesn't need to know she can at least hold his hand through

[00:50:52] all the bad stuff that he's going through he had that conversation with Starlight as well about you know forgiveness and his former life as a Catholic his hatred of the idea that you can

[00:51:01] be forgiven for all the bad things that you've done and she's talking to him about it and saying you know why haven't you told Kimiko about everything you've gone through and he says

[00:51:09] well I'd hate the idea that she would that she wouldn't be able to forgive me once she learns who I really am and then he says but I'd hate it more if she did forgive me for the things that

[00:51:17] I've done as well yeah I believe in damnation that there needs to be a penance here yeah no interesting stuff really and of course yeah he hands himself over or turns himself in at local police branch at the death saying I've murdered people yeah multiple murders yeah yeah

[00:51:40] big moment friendship I don't know what happens to that character next week yeah I'm really intrigued to see it actually yeah absolutely anything else you want to talk about from the episode anything else that we have in courage on no that's all for me really

[00:51:53] yeah I guess that's it I guess we wrap up the expo there overall then what did you think of the episode itself again I really enjoyed this I'd give it four Mr. Fuzzy Buzzy's out of five

[00:52:04] and yeah I kind of like the craziness of the farm I love the fact that they had old McDonald's had a farm as the clothes out of this I loved the little twist of effectively

[00:52:16] Billy having some hell hostage and dropping off his leg so that he can create more of this soup killing virus I love the connections with Godolchian the v-52 expo as you said it's kind of like

[00:52:31] you know that front of house coupled with the back of house yeah goings on at this expo you know the business and the entertainment really really enjoyed that I loved Ryan here again

[00:52:47] I don't know whether it's going to be just a temporary seesaw or whether he's moving back into the clutches of Homelander or whether he realizes that in the end it's just another

[00:53:01] subtle form of manipulation he's doing here and so I kind of I like the fact that you know there has been consequences here in this episode of Homelander going back to the start whether it's with Ryan or whether it's with then how Homelander sees the mission statement or

[00:53:29] vision of the seven which is we're now gods yeah you know it with Ryan it's you can do whatever you want because you're a god like me like I can do whatever I want exactly and so

[00:53:44] you know this is really good stuff and so yeah I'm really looking forward to seeing the next few episodes to see how this plays out because again it's only three more episodes

[00:53:56] to go so a lot to get through I think but having said that we do know there's a season five is it the final season exactly so yeah for Mr Fuzzy Buzzy is out of five for me

[00:54:08] yeah I really like the majority of this episode as I said the wildness of the sheep it took me out of it a little bit in this episode but again there's been moments like that throughout

[00:54:17] the whole series of the boys I think probably why is because seeing Hughie's father go through the whole process of being brain dead at the beginning of the episode or the last week's episode going

[00:54:31] through the process of being fine and thinking that he can live a proper life the suspicion that we had thrown on Hughie's mom that she was an agent of water doing something bad

[00:54:42] Hughie's dad actually confirms all the story that she told Hughie was absolutely correct she did try and get in contact with him she left for those reasons when he was six years old and he shouldn't have stood in her way contacting Hughie you know all that stuff

[00:54:57] and also why he made her power of attorney yeah exactly confirming that it was because Hughie would have let him explode like he did their childhood cat charger so I thought that was

[00:55:11] really interesting and then the path of him getting the powers being unable to control what was going on losing his mind and then him having to be put down by Hughie I thought that was a really sad

[00:55:24] arc and a really interesting story that was there for Hughie and his family overall so well I see a lot going on in this episode again you know exactly as they just that arc of Hughie's

[00:55:40] father you know massive really yeah and again I think the realization here that Joe Kessler is not actually real absolutely and is in the mind's eye of Billy like his wife yeah so yeah

[00:55:55] you know a lot going on exactly exactly as there always is in the boys so much going on that I definitely think we need to point down the local pub John I think we do as I hope do you my

[00:56:08] fellow quizzes and fellow boys and girls welcome to the fifth installment of the boys season four pub quiz we are on episode five of season four of the boys and so we are on to question five

[00:56:25] for this season's pub quiz here we go why did Hughie's dad want to go to Paris very good well we'll admit that we wrote this question while watching the episode for the first

[00:56:36] time and didn't realize how poignant moments this would actually be towards the end of the episode but john do you want to get the question one more time yes why did Hughie's dad want to go to Paris

[00:56:48] brilliant that's the fifth question of ace hopefully you're gathering together all the answers at the end of the season send in all the correct answers to all eight questions to us

[00:56:56] at feedback at tv podcast industries dot com and you can be able to chance up getting your hands on some gen v goodies we're going to go on to some feedback on last week's episode on episode

[00:57:05] four from our wonderful fellow boys and girls so first up on our feedback for last week's episode coffee and vodka sent in an email he said greetings fellow flash fried defenders

[00:57:15] i gave this one a bit of breathing room as it seems to be a clear demarcation kind of a phase two where all the setting and resettling has been put aside in favor of a definitive go hard or go home

[00:57:25] end game that no one told m m and the boys about can only hope their individual tangents quickly subside before they become subplots in their own show butcher's cast of mental buddies currently being beca and negan as well as his sudden secondary mutation tie homelander solidification

[00:57:40] of purpose for drawing most of my interest annie's hero journey from facing her antithesis in firecracker to her possible eventual boss fight with sage is hitting all the posts while m m seems to be not exactly backburnered but put into a supporting role

[00:57:56] hui though like home manager is finally coming into his own more purposeful identity so much more and so deep speaking of it's nice to see the deep's consistency against the tide

[00:58:05] of change which has become this season can hardly wait to see those who remain of the god you crew make their appearance or a p chance do you think this will take on the comic book plot

[00:58:14] with homelander in the white house already you think they'll zag that zig five super senior hui's set up sacrificial crackers and fudged up homecomings out of five peace and take care coffee at vodka thanks for that coffee vodka yeah good stuff coffee and vodka and not entirely sure

[00:58:32] around the white house whether we'll see homelander in the white house think we'll need chris for that one at least from my side yeah look i know of the comic book storyline i think it's

[00:58:43] aiming towards that i don't know there were actually will see him in the white house at the end of the series but you know the trust on rubber singer the current president and

[00:58:50] whether his head will just be exploded at the end of the series and you know there's definitely that there and there's definitely the the peace with newman and homelander and sage working together to put a superhuman in the white house which at the moment seems to be

[00:59:04] newman but whether people accept homelander just walking across the threshold and taking power as president i'm not sure in this universe he's not actually standing for president but i think the way around it will be to have newman as president at the end of the series in that

[00:59:20] really kind of dark term before we go into the final season but maybe the way that do it yeah definitely yeah i can see that for sure yeah and it'd be interesting seeing annie's sort of journey with firecracker as well given their history but also i think

[00:59:36] firecracker's journey with sage is also going to be interesting here as well yeah you're absolutely right they're probably rubbing each other up the wrong way quite a lot yeah yeah and i like that she's the antithesis of sage because well she's an idiot who speaks to idiots

[00:59:51] to rally them around and sage just uses her intelligence right so that's the that's the big difference although that said firecracker was using her intelligence to dumb everything down for the lowest common denominator so exactly yeah she can distill it into the most um off topic

[01:00:09] lowest common denominator effort exactly exactly great stuff thanks coffee vodka yeah thanks coffee and vodka everyone on our facebook group we had a post from jamie lawson who said i was so totally wrong about the poker harpoon looks like ambrosius is safe for another week

[01:00:25] also saman peg isn't going to be played by a dummy agreed jamie yes i think we see an episode five definitely saman peg here we were just questioning the amount of time and that

[01:00:37] saman peg was asleep in the bed for a couple of weeks you know that was shown quite a lot so maybe they just had him in bed for a couple of hours maybe there's loads of like takes yeah

[01:00:47] for those scenes yes but he is he is alive he is there or at least he was alive and was there for episode five at least and bro's ears touchy feely suckers are around for the deep for another

[01:00:59] week yeah um if only he would reciprocate exactly and thanks jamie also sam low over on facebook says i was cackling in my car when you talked about the award ceremony for antony star also i

[01:01:15] think the wormy things in butcher came from his dose of v and not the temp v it was a bit of a throwaway line but when he we say is in the alley there's enough for butcher and his dad but just

[01:01:28] says that he tried that month ago and all it did was speed up his deadline he thinks it gave him his wormy murder powers maybe that's what the gooey black mass is to in his brain that homelander

[01:01:42] saw i guess we'll find out when poor Hugh senior wakes up from his coma hijack yeah well we saw that here in episode five of what happens to Hugh senior after taking his v and so yeah that's

[01:01:55] uh it was a bit of a horrible face for yeah for Hugh senior yeah and actually and is butchers on that path now is that what's going to happen to him as the the v takes over his body as well

[01:02:07] as you said he took some actual v there's a really good point sam he says he took some actual v a couple of months ago which sped up this this timeline to death it's not just the temp v that

[01:02:17] he took it's also this additional v that he tried to take to correct the problem that yeah from the the temp v so thanks for that sam definitely have a look at butcher in the next

[01:02:27] couple of episodes and see what happens to him there and we also got a message from David mr writer who says so by far the best episode of the season just when i thought what else could they do

[01:02:37] after season three they found a way to to do themselves i like this episode because not only the action the suspense of each scene really kept you glued in for and left off on a mini cliff

[01:02:47] hanger i like the psychology of it all kind of digging into homelander's past i wish they did dive a little deeper but this did give us a good look into that window can't wait for next week

[01:02:57] and i definitely want to know butcher's new powers seems like it's a parasite that keeps him alive in order for it to survive side knows once again round of applause to antony star my goodness what a man

[01:03:07] thank you david mr writer um yeah antony star fantastic absolutely so good in episode four and really really enjoyed him and i mean just consistently since this show started yeah um for sure it was a really interesting interview with um with eric ripke this week

[01:03:28] where he was saying that it was actually antony star's idea to come up with um the way that he entered his childhood home i guess the lab with all the other uh with all the scientists in there

[01:03:39] that originally in the script it was he went in and killed everybody just was really evil and killed everybody and antony star said no homelander would be the type of person that

[01:03:47] would make you guess whether he's going to be evil or going to be nice he walks in with the cake to begin with and you're kind of wondering how far it's going to go what's the thing that's

[01:03:55] going to trigger him yeah and that was all antony star's idea which is uh which is really interesting again he knows this character so well yeah great stuff but i know you know sam mentioned as well we

[01:04:05] joked about him on stage and i'm showing any of these scenes as his for his emmy awards speech but there's been so many calls for it saying you know the performance that he's done in the

[01:04:14] show this season especially in episode four uh is something that should be award worthy but again i'm just not sure whether you can show any of the scenes that justify that award well

[01:04:23] that's true but yeah they need to think about that um i think butchers new powers i mean for me are certainly going along the the route that chris had identified with the uh the fringe x-men

[01:04:39] um well were me i guess i don't know what i can't remember no i can't remember it off the top of my head but yes i'm kind of thinking oh my goodness it is kind of rift from x-men of course

[01:04:53] it's not just rift from x-men it's kind of the it's the devil and the angel on his shoulders really is what the uh the worms uh seemingly are doing exactly exactly where they could be it could be

[01:05:05] we'll see again as the series goes out we'll see more of that uh heather wallis says okay i spent most of that episode with my hands over my eyes i don't know what was worse homeland or

[01:05:13] torturing scientists or sages diy lobotomy hui slashing and stabbing his opponent was also gruesome and i couldn't watch any attack firecracker because she was so stupid to do it in front of the cameras

[01:05:24] have i just forgotten how tense and gory this show is i can't wait to see what happens with hui's dad i thought at first they'd gotten sam and peg on set by saying you'll get to nap the whole time

[01:05:33] but now he's going to get superpowers oh well that didn't actually work out well he does maybe thought he does he does and and we've seen kind of similar ones i guess in gen v where people

[01:05:46] that vibe when did like the flash that can vibe through um solid walls but i just like the fact how he's unable to control to be honest and certainly just him stood in the middle of the

[01:06:03] hospital bed as the man explodes is yeah quite gruesome and like you heather it is those scenes with homelander you just don't know how it's going to go how gruesome how sort of shocking it's

[01:06:18] going to be similar to you just sort of not being able to look at the screen because of the tension and the potential for just absolute horrendous and torture from homelander and indeed

[01:06:33] sages lobotomy anything to do with eyes is like oh god absolutely it just shows you to the point that how they're made here it just shows you how much was going on in that episode we hardly

[01:06:44] even mentioned hui in kamikot teaming up and hui having his first human kill he killed a guy right in front of him cutting his throat and the blood spraying on his face like that in itself

[01:06:53] if that had been an episode or happened in episode in season two or something like that that will be a major point but with so much blood and so much action going on in this episode

[01:07:01] we almost forgot to mention it yep absolutely thanks so much heather also dr barb phillips on episode four says episode four season four and the show has shifted gear from a parody of the superhero genre with digs at reality into a full on political satire with clockwork

[01:07:20] oranges and big brothers the doublespeak gets shouted loudly with the convicted pedophile inventing caged kids the man who kills those who don't follow his orders killing those who followed orders and lobotomy being the only way to have peace in this world looking forward to

[01:07:40] more punk versus net z's next week excellent stuff dr barb and actually is really interesting point and i hadn't really thought of it like that the sister sages di while lobotomy is the only

[01:07:54] thing that takes her out of this moment in effect i guess it's having their edible or something like that just uh takes you out of the pressures the nonsense of of everything that's going on

[01:08:12] well you know what you know it's like when you've watched you know cnn for 24 hours or sky news for 24 hours or you know just a news service cycle over and over again and this sometimes

[01:08:21] just when i go oh god i wish i could just shut my brain off from thinking all of these horrible things that are going to happen in the future if all comes to pass all these terrifying things

[01:08:29] that the news are telling me are happening if they all come to pass it's going to be a nightmare maybe i'll just lobotomy myself or uh just turn on some uh some random comedy show it becomes

[01:08:38] numbing doesn't it i mean the news cycle in any sense is just it just repeats and unless something massive happens where they can then be immediately on it but it's like it's just

[01:08:49] a repetition it's of no use to have the news headlines on rints and repeats all the time and and even when things do happen or they think they've got a scoop you know what's the

[01:09:02] editorial delay to make sure that it's verified well a lot of them don't do that now and you know they it's just broadcast first maybe think or do some editorial stuff later

[01:09:17] yeah or it would seem or say it might or a can or maybe or yeah and it just brings in this whole sort of real nothingness language of if spots and maybe's exactly and but then it becomes all about

[01:09:31] speculation until it's verified and by that stage if it is unverified the damage is done exactly and it's it's pretty grim it is the 24 hour news cycle i think we've all we've also noticed

[01:09:44] definitely and we've we talked about it before that when you're watching irish news um in a very small country like ours there isn't enough scary news to put on a full half-hour show so

[01:09:54] they have two stories that are local in ireland and then reach out anywhere across the world for anything scary that's happening whether it be like someone's house falling down one person's house

[01:10:03] falling down or whether it be some weather event in a very far off country um they'll they want to have a half hour of scary news to keep you scared uh so yes sometimes i do want to the bottom i myself

[01:10:14] watching that but also a really good call out there we called out and the uh firecracker being a pedophile who's accusing her opposition of having kids trapped in cages but what we didn't call out is

[01:10:28] homelander taking out the people who followed orders when in fact usually he takes out people who don't follow his own orders that's a really good call out from dr bob that effectively all of

[01:10:37] these scientists are just people that followed all the orders uh yes if someone doesn't follow his homelanders orders they're likely to get their head laid off as well so uh so really interesting double standard almost not about following orders it's about who has come up with the orders

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[01:11:52] joining us this week sorry Chris had to step out for the podcast this week i'm one of the note that i didn't know what the last time we were recording Chris actually is away for the next

[01:11:59] two weeks so we won't see him on episode six or episode seven he'll be back for the finale though excellent stuff see you then chris fellow boys and girls we'll be back next time with our chat

[01:12:11] all about the boys season four episode six dirty business and of course the next question in our season four the boys pub quiz absolutely yep thanks so much for joining us speak to you

[01:12:25] again next time yes thank you so much fellow boys and girls for joining us for this episode until the dirty stuff comes down the tracks next week keep watching keep listening and watch out for those lamb chops bye bye and that's the connection to gen v the virus

[01:13:11] from jenny's playing straight into uh straight into the boys like we had been told it was going to developed at gedalkin yeah for the gulking by the gulking just do that one more time for gedalkin

[01:13:24] for gedalkin by the gulking through to gulking i don't know why i was saying four gedalkin by gedalk four to go all right for gedalkin by the gulking i'll just edit it some way to make that

[01:13:47] sound like gedalkin the second one because you still can't get it it's the same word being said three times how can you get it wrong i don't know god god gulking god gulking yes developed at gedalkin

[01:14:02] university yeah exactly you know to draw me to say it again no it's fine fix it in post i can't i got it wrong so many times yet for the gulking all right just leave it i let it all age it's grand yet for gedalkin by the gulking